
I'd say Bill Kristol nailed it on this morning's Fox News Sunday. And while his comments were directed at Democrats, they're equally applicable to the MSM IMHO, making them NB-worthy.
Kristol: "People are being too complacent or forgiving to the Democrats: 'Oh, it's politics; one of them has a non-binding resolution and another one has a cap.' It's all totally irresponsible. It's just unbelievable. The president is sending over a new commander, he's sending over troops, and the Democratic congress, either in a pseudo-binding way or a non-binding way is saying: 'it won't work -- forget it! You troops, you're going over there on a pointless missions. You Iraqis who might side with us, forget it, we're going to pull the plug." It's so irresponsible . . . You really wonder: do they want it to work or not? I really wonder that. . . Do they want this to succeed or not?"
View video here.
NPR's Juan Williams tried his best: "I think everybody wants to succeed who believes in the idea that we are over there and our people are at stake. I don't think there's any question about that. I think that's sort of a rhetorical tool on your part. But your analysis seems to be totally ahistorical. It's as if mistakes haven't been made repeatedlhy as if people don't feel they have been misled down this path. There has been tremendous support for this president and for this war effort, and it has come to naught and it has come to a bad place."
Brit Hume got in a final, telling rejoinder: "Juan, serious people recognize one thing, and we are short of serious people nowadays. Which is that is that wars get into bad places and even winning conflicts do. And you talk about an 'ahistorical' view. Strikes me that the view you are espousing is very much that. You look at any major war that has been fought over a period of time and the winning side has had terrible moments and stretches of time when it appeared that victory might not be possible . . . What you have from the Democrats is the idea, as Nancy Pelosi put it, this isn't a war to be won, this is a conflict to be resolved. And their answer is retreat. You call it redeployment. It's a euphemism, Juan! It's retreat."
Substitute "MSM" for Democrat, and see if the exchange doesn't work quite nicely as a depiction of liberal media thinking on the war.
Mark was in Iraq in November. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net
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January 21, 2007 - 11:36 ET by Jerry MackThe Dims main plan which is eagerly carried by the MSM is criticism of anything that President Bush does or says. This has been the case since the war started.
I used to wonder if Juan Williams was a college graduate. I am beginning to believe that he is a high school drop out.
"You really wonder: do
January 21, 2007 - 11:44 ET by ckc1227"You really wonder: do they want it to work or not? I really wonder that. . . Do they want this to succeed or not?"
I think the answer to that is pretty obvious, and has been for quite some time now.
Liberalism is the philosophy of the stupid.
Exactly JerryMack, Juan gave
January 21, 2007 - 11:53 ET by VT Con ManExactly JerryMack, Juan gave us a dismal portrayal of just how incredibly lame and empty the dem's "argument" is. The point is not what has happened in the past, it is what we need to do to succeed. Apparently, that word is not in the dims vocabulary.
Kudos to Brit here for his total slap down of Juan's ridiculous rant. All the dims want is to see Bush fail, regardless of whether their efforts will mean a slaughter of a newly built ally and a complete melt down in the middle east. Get it? Melt down? As in a glowing geographical area, picked by ahmadingaling?
Oh YES! I love to hear Bill
January 21, 2007 - 11:48 ET by rimskyOh YES! I love to hear Bill and Brit speak. They are so satisfyingly RIGHT! Juan can only grovel in their wake.
NPR's Juan Williams tried his
January 21, 2007 - 12:05 ET by GalvanicNPR's Juan Williams tried his best: "I think everybody wants to succeed who believes in the idea that we are over there and our people are at stake. I don't think there's any question about that. . . ."
Actually, Kristol's point goes to the heart of the question: "As American forces are engaged in a war in Iraq, is the key issues succeeding in that war, or making the Commander in Chief look bad?"
When we listen to the politicans and the MSM pundits, they never raise the central issue: Are we devoted to succeeding? Instead, day-to-day events in Iraq are measured for their impacts on Bush's popularity, or the campaigns of declared or imagined '08 Presidential candidates, or holding Congressional seats.
Again, Williams: ". . . I think that's sort of a rhetorical tool on your part. . . ."
As opposed to the rhetoric of Pelosi, Obama, Clinton, Biden, Edwards, et al, who spew out shallow language about 'redeployment' when they mean retreat? C'mon, Juan.
More Williams: ". . . But your analysis seems to be totally ahistorical. It's as if mistakes haven't been made repeatedlhy as if people don't feel they have been misled down this path. There has been tremendous support for this president and for this war effort, and it has come to naught and it has come to a bad place."
Once again, Williams talks about mistakes, misleading, and support for the President, while avoiding Kristol's initial and very simple quesiton: Do you want the US to succeed in Iraq?
Brit Hume got in a final, telling rejoinder: " . . . What you have from the Democrats is the idea, as Nancy Pelosi put it, this isn't a war to be won, this is a conflict to be resolved. And their answer is retreat. You call it redeployment. It's a euphemism, Juan! It's retreat."
Bingo! Hume sums it up in plain language that anyone can understand. The Dems always talk about 'resolving' Iraq through 'redeployment' without uttering the Big R word: Retreat. And that's not by accident or coincidence. They want the public to view the war as a defeat, while avoiding being labeled as the Party that threw in the towel, as if the public will balme Bush for losing the war and welcome the Dems' efforts conclude it. When the question focuses on the central issue of victory or defeat in Iraq, the Dems can't explain how establishing a 'redeployment' plan outside of the victory/defeat context (and that context has global implications), fosters our success where Bush to this point hasn't.
Galvanic,Your final paragraph
January 21, 2007 - 12:22 ET by BlondeGalvanic,
Your final paragraph summed up nicely what the administration's strategy ought to be.
Ratchet it up several notches. Victory is the only acceptable outcome. Make victory the administration's overriding theme, as Tony Snow is perfectly capable of doing. Hammer it home that resolution means defeat, redeployment means defeat, retreat equals defeat, and the the Repulicans and this administration will tolerate nothing less than victory.
Paint the democrats into a corner with their own words, over, and over, and over again.
I have full faith that the troops in Iraq can win this war, providing they are released from silly political imperatives that hinder their rules of engagment. It's up to the President to make sure that we win the war of ideas here at home.
You're right, Bloone, but unf
January 21, 2007 - 12:50 ET by GalvanicYou're right, Blonde, but unfortunately, the Bush Administration may be too late. They should have been out in front of this strategy, but instead, they've gone on for years trapped in their own rhetoric. After it was obvious that victory was not going to come easily or quickly, the President kept reiterating his "Stay the course" theme over and over while the opposition shaped the debate. He's been on the defensive ever since.
The White House failed miserably to shape public opinion, and now it seems unlikely that he can win it back, save some strategic error on the part of AQ.
This is fun.Edwards, devoid
January 21, 2007 - 15:58 ET by JDWThis is fun.
Edwards, devoid of congress, is free to be as leftist as he so chooses. This guy wants cut and run.
Obama, has no commitment one way or the other and is still free to stand by and watch before he takes sides.
Sen Clinton has now switched sides. Next question is will she vote to cut funds?
JDW
Kerry: "You know, education, if you make the most of it ... you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."
Sen Clinton has now switched
January 21, 2007 - 16:20 ET by bigtimerSen Clinton has now switched sides. Next question is will she vote to cut funds?
Yes.
Just my opinion though.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Long, loud, often. Given the
January 21, 2007 - 18:09 ET by FastEdLong, loud, often. Given the opportunity, our troops WILL win, no matter what the demolibs want to do. The problem that has always plagued this admin, is trying to be nice. Take the gloves off, especially now, that the libodems want to take control of everyone's lives. And, point out, everyday, that things are going well in Iraq - infrastructure, and economics - make the loser, stupid media prove THEIR point, that we are NOT winning. Make the nay sayers prove that we are losing and want us to win. Everyday!
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
I am changing my mind about Iraq
January 21, 2007 - 18:26 ET by misterbillI am changing my mind about Iraq. Bring the troops home tomorrow, have the troops get the damned Dems under control, then send the troops back to cleanup what's left in Iraq. (All the militias.)
PS Pelosi's new outfit should be camo and she should go back with the troops.
It's just this simple
January 21, 2007 - 18:35 ET by blackrain4xmasDems have opposed the war from May 2002 to today (interestingly enough, the President didn't start the diplomatic, military, or even the rhetorical push on Saddam's Iraq until 3-4 months AFTER the anti-war movement began; 91202 UN address).
If the US can succeed in Iraq (and there's really no other choice), then it will be because of a list of Republican efforts. There is not a single example of a leader of the Democratic Party helping win the war. The only Dem who tried, was bounced out of his party (and with a sweetness that only Bill Shakespeare could have dreamed of...they had to beg him to be nice to them afterwards).
No DNC leader has done anything to help America win in Iraq. It is in their best political interests for American to be defeated so that they may beat their chests at having supported the same objective as the enemy.
I agree. Hume absolutely ow
January 21, 2007 - 23:10 ET by fosstenI agree. Hume absolutely owned Williams in that segment. Williams' only rejoinder at that moment was a whiny, petulant, "Well, you've run out the time in this segment, so I guess we'll just have to come back and debate this next week."
Beautiful.
David Ignatius, the Post colu
January 21, 2007 - 12:16 ET by SMGalbraithDavid Ignatius, the Post columnist, wrote the following re Rahm Emanuel, fourth highest ranking Democrat in the House:
The secret for the Democrats, says Emanuel, is to remain the party of reform and change. The country is angry, and will only get more so as the problems in Iraq deepen. Don't look to Emanuel's Democrats for solutions on Iraq. It's Bush's war, and as it splinters the structure of GOP power, they're waiting to pick up the pieces.
Smart - but deeply amoral - politics, that's for sure. Implicit in the view is that Iraq must fail. If somehow the Administration is able to stabilize the country, the future electoral success of the Democrats will be harmed.
But I guess that if you think that the best interest of the country lays in defeating Republicans over against defeating Islamists, then it's the wisest choice too.
And that's always been the problem isn't it? Democrats (most of them) want to win in Iraq (as long as Bush can't receive credit) but they believe that that battle is secondary to the one here that entails them beating the Republicans.
Once again, Kristol had Juan
January 21, 2007 - 12:48 ET by donsalesOnce again, Kristol had Juan Williams drooling all over himself on whether DEMS want to win or lose the war in Iraq....LOL....
Juan couldn't find any cover fast enough......Mara at least knows when to shut up and let the wave roll over her......
Nowhere to Run....Nowhere To Hide.....
I saw this segment this morni
January 21, 2007 - 16:17 ET by bigtimerI saw this segment this morning, it reminded me of Lynne Cheney's response and question to Blitzer on CNN...Kristol is correct here.
Of course the dem's do not want victory, they never have, it has been obvious, despicable, deceitful, deplorable, disgraceful from the beginning.
Defeat is their middle name. I hope they wear it with pride...seems to work for them, hand in hand with the leftist media.
Btw...David Asman had a great show about Hezbollah inside this country here last night on Fox, too bad America is so deaf, dumb and blind...
I blame the republicans and the media for not informing the country of this instead of their constant 24/7 dribble they have at times that are really old and inane subjects at times.
President Bush has had the bully-pulpit, he has not used it well in numerous situations IMO.
Dem's are defeatists...along with some RINO's in our party that are up for re-election, politics is blood sport, it is proving that more than ever...at eh expense of all of us patriots and the Iraqi people, but most of all our finest military and their families.
Shameful.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Dem's are defeatists...along
January 21, 2007 - 21:09 ET by GalvanicDem's are defeatists...along with some RINO's in our party that are up for re-election, politics is blood sport, it is proving that more than ever...at eh expense of all of us patriots and the Iraqi people, but most of all our finest military and their families. Shameful.
Well said, bigtimer. I've express the same sentiment on other posts. The Dems have subordinated the goal of victory in Iraq to the goal of defeating Bush politically. It is indeed shameful, and apparently the Dems don't even realize it.
Hi Gal...Much to my regret I
January 21, 2007 - 23:27 ET by bigtimerHi Gal...
Much to my regret I have to say the dem's do realize it....this is and has been intentional.
Disgraceful beyond words...let alone those RINO's up for re-election that are joining them...the media are waiting with bated breath to report the votes in both Houses, it is reprehensible.
I hang my head in shame for my fellow man, if that is what you want to call these soulless creatures.
Just my opinion.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
This is somewhat off topic, b
January 21, 2007 - 20:55 ET by NonanonThis is somewhat off topic, but the liberals are always trying to tell us that one can't speak for or represent someone or even have an opinion if they are not of the same group or are not in that field of expertise, but at the same time are constantly shoving poll results from people who are not or have not been in the military down our throats to try to convince us that the war is wrong and should be abandoned. So which point of view are they going to hold to? They want things that are diametrically opposed to each other all the while calling others stupid.
Kristol still can't admit the
January 21, 2007 - 22:37 ET by melvinguntzKristol still can't admit the the war was a mistake. He's like a spoiled little kid. He is right. Everybody else is wrong, no matter what the facts are.
"I will be voting to giv
January 21, 2007 - 22:52 ET by MikeB"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force, if necessary, to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly aresenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." John (I served in Vietnam) Kerry Oct. 9, 2002
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line" Bill Clinton Feb. 4, 1998
And, there are plenty more where those came from. No, the war was not, and is not a mistake.
But, then, you're right and everyone else is wrong, no matter what the facts are.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Exactly MikeB....It does abso
January 22, 2007 - 00:25 ET by bigtimerExactly MikeB....
It does absolutely no good to show in writing or repeat in taped video or just voice recordings....as James Carville says...Doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter...hell it doesn't fit their agenda at the time...it is all timing...just timing for their power, forget our safety, the safety of others world-wide, the safety of our fine military...doesn't matter doesn't matter doesn't matter...
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Brilliant satire!
January 22, 2007 - 00:06 ET by Del DolemonteBrilliant satire!
melving-dunce,Everyone is NOT
January 22, 2007 - 00:35 ET by rdave63melving-dunce,
Everyone is NOT admitting the war is wrong, only leftist nutjobs, bleeding heart peaceniks like you and the whacko left-wing MSM think the war is a mistake. Considering the sources, I could easily rest my case and say, "enough said." But I won't. Hillary, Kerry and the majority of congress agreed that going to war with Iraq was the right thing to do. THEY SUPPORTED THE WAR, IDIOT!
When the media polls started to shift on the war, the Dems put their finger in the air and said, "gee, what is my new opinion that I will support today?"
The left and the media, in an attempt to grab back power, has sold out the American heros in Afganistan and Iraq and have become enemy propaganda machines for Al-Jazeera. Everytime these liberal a$$holes speak out against the war and say "it was a mistake", Al-Jazeera plays it for the enemy and they sit back and say, "see, they admit they are wrong and we are right! We must fight because we are right and the American Soldiers have no support back home!"
Try being a patriotic American and actually support our heros in harms way, instead of being a sell-out like the rest of the "extreme" left-wing nutjobs.
I can't figure out what you a
January 22, 2007 - 00:39 ET by UnsaneI can't figure out what you are griping about. Kristol is one of the biggest defeatists (in general, no matter the topic) the Right has. You should be grateful for him.
Actually, it is the Leftists that act like spoiled little kids who throw a tantrum when the adults tell him/her "no", no matter how sound or logical the reason for "no".
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
TROLL ALERT! Boyz & Gir
January 22, 2007 - 00:50 ET by ww thumperTROLL ALERT! Boyz & Girliez....We got a new TROLL!! Being "Politcaly Correct" with ISLAM will distroy America......WW
Please provide your rationale
January 22, 2007 - 12:50 ET by BDPlease provide your rationale on why the war in Iraq is a mistake. I personally do not believe it is a mistake therefore you must provide a logical proof.
Melvin Is Another Troll
January 22, 2007 - 21:25 ET by emjem24Melvin can't admit that he got ejected from Kos and Huff n' Puff so he had to come here and do some more bashing of media conservatives. Even though Bill Kristol made valid points, melvin still can't admit he's a big, fat liberal liar who never supported the war and doesn't know what he's talking about. Or maybe mel is one of the 60% of uninformed Americans who've never served in the military or done jury duty for that matter and who wouldn't know what the phrase "Service Before Self" actually means. Would ya mel? Would you comment for us, mel, or would you like to go ahead and hide under your desk now, you self-serving troll?
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
I think melvinnutz is really
January 22, 2007 - 21:33 ET by bigtimerI think melvinnutz is really Ubermann in disguise...
Ubermann just put on his 'worser' segment of his pathetic show the same thing about Kristol...hmmmm...somethings fishy here...
LOL!
If it is you hi KO...having fun? Stay awhile, you may learn something with the half of brain cell you have left floatin' around in that empty dead air space between you ears...
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
"I think everybody wants
January 22, 2007 - 10:50 ET by pbanks7"I think everybody wants to succeed who believes in the idea that we are over there and our people are at stake."
I believe we are over there and that our people are at stake. What kind of a comment is this? Is he excusing those that disbelieve this? It sounds to me like an excuse for the cut and run crowd.
But your analysis seems to be totally ahistorical.
Yes, let's convenently ignore the history of the MSM coverage of the Tet offensive and N. Vietnamese Gen. Giap's commentary on how that coverage encouraged them to keep fighting "one more minute, one more hour, one more day."
Yes! What part of negotiating with sociopaths don't they understand? Or even more aptly put, what part of negotiating with sociopaths do they understand?
Why do they seem to believe that extending the olive branch to every thug in the world will work, but they won't even try that with Republicans?
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
What you have from the Democrats is the idea, as Nancy Pelosi put it, this isn't a war to be won, this is a conflict to be resolved.The Americans Lost Their Seriousness When They Voted In Democrat
January 22, 2007 - 21:07 ET by emjem24Since today, January 22nd, is the worst (blue) day of the year, let me say this. The American public lost all seriousness when they voted in Democrats. The American public has bought into the democrats' jive and retreat strategy. Look at all the polls. I've lost all faith in my fellow Americans because they have again lost their nerve when things get rough. They have a pattern of this. Sure, the Iraq War isn't going well all the time given all the negative sound bites being rammed down the throats of Americans on a daily basis. Bill and Brit hit it on the head. The democrats want to retreat but they also want to have it both ways. They want to put forth a non-binding resolution rejecting the new strategy for Iraq but they don't go far enough. America, you want out? Then demand defeat now because you know you want it. Be honest, that's why you really voted for these nitwits. But, nooooooo, the dems want to protest and criticize with NO REAL SOLUTION OF THEIR OWN. Take away the funding or support the war and see it through, Jim Web and all boneheads like you. Do it, or shut up.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
Great post em...Are we ready
January 22, 2007 - 21:20 ET by bigtimerGreat post em...
Are we ready for the 24/7 criticism that the media are lickin' their chops for with tomorrows State of the Union with Pelosi and Gang acting as the immature spoiled little ungrateful defeatist leftist filthy enemy within ba*tards that they are?
I can already see it...and Webb...oh my Lord have mercy on us who love and protect this country and all our friends and families.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Hey Bigtimer
January 22, 2007 - 21:37 ET by emjem24Hey Bigtimer, I guess I'm ready for the onslaught in a Vegas crapshoot second. I was around for the Webb/Allen contest and it was ugly. This poor excuse for a human being wears the boots of his son Jimmy who serves in Iraq and uses his son as an excuse to slur the war and the President. Do you remember how rude this dude was to the President when President Bush asked after his son and Webb said bring the troops home or something to that effect? This guy has no class and the dems want HIM to deliver the response. The country has already gone down the toilet and now the American people and dems who they voted in want to drag the military down with them. I feel bad for Jimmy and others like him who have ungrateful, spiteful, and selfish parents like Jim Webb.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.
em...You just said it all!It
January 22, 2007 - 21:52 ET by bigtimerem...
You just said it all!
It has made my stomach turn how the left have used their children that are fighting or are dead to further their leftist take over of this great country...yes I have followed Webb, he is a despicable creature...this country has got to be getting close to a boiling point, I know I am.
Btw...I wrote about what I think about the WaPo and the useless Justice dept. before and today earlier in fact....they helped this pitiful little man get where he is, I personally hope Allen does not quit yet....I hope he fights back, all by himself, not with so-called advisers ect. President Bush would of done better without them in my opinion, heck this whole dang country would of.
Tomorrow is bad enough for me for personal reasons, but as a nation what the leftist media will be doing is bad enough from first thing in the morning, it will be really bad by the State of the Union and disgraceful afterwards.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan