Meteorologist Slams Weather Channel Global Warmingist's ‘Decertification’ Idea

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The battle over junk science is getting more enjoyable every day. After The Weather Channel’s major climatologist issued a strong shot across the bow on Thursday concerning global warming skeptics losing their AMS certifications, an Alabama weatherman named James Spann wrote a blog post at his station’s website firing back (emphasis mine throughout):

Well, well. Some “climate expert” on “The Weather Channel” wants to take away AMS certification from those of us who believe the recent “global warming” is a natural process. So much for “tolerance”, huh?

I have been in operational meteorology since 1978, and I know dozens and dozens of broadcast meteorologists all over the country. Our big job: look at a large volume of raw data and come up with a public weather forecast for the next seven days. I do not know of a single TV meteorologist who buys into the man-made global warming hype. I know there must be a few out there, but I can’t find them.

I’m really verklempt, and need to go get a tissue. While I’m away, you should continue reading the truth about this matter as expressed by someone in the business as opposed to a former vice president looking to get his name back into the political mainstream:

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Here are the basic facts you need to know:

*Billions of dollars of grant money is flowing into the pockets of those on the man-made global warming bandwagon. No man-made global warming, the money dries up. This is big money, make no mistake about it. Always follow the money trail and it tells a story. Even the lady at “The Weather Channel” probably gets paid good money for a prime time show on climate change. No man-made global warming, no show, and no salary. Nothing wrong with making money at all, but when money becomes the motivation for a scientific conclusion, then we have a problem. For many, global warming is a big cash grab.

*The climate of this planet has been changing since God put the planet here. It will always change, and the warming in the last 10 years is not much difference than the warming we saw in the 1930s and other decades. And, lets not forget we are at the end of the ice age in which ice covered most of North America and Northern Europe.

I’m starting to love this man. He marvelously continued:

If you don’t like to listen to me, find another meteorologist with no tie to grant money for research on the subject. I would not listen to anyone that is a politician, a journalist, or someone in science who is generating revenue from this issue.

In fact, I encourage you to listen to WeatherBrains episode number 12, featuring Alabama State Climatologist John Christy, and WeatherBrains episode number 17, featuring Dr. William Gray of Colorado State University, one of the most brilliant minds in our science.

WeatherBrains, by the way, is our weekly 30 minute netcast.

I have nothing against “The Weather Channel”, but they have crossed the line into a political and cultural region where I simply won’t go.

Bravo, James. Encore. Encore.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.


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James Spann used to be a weat

James Spann used to be a weatherman in the Birmingham area when I lived there several years ago. He is very good at what he does. When he made a forecast, you could count on it every time.

I read his article yesterday and he is spot on with it We know where the money is going, I would like to know where it is coming from.

Cause of Global Warming

Come on Mr. Spann. Global Warming is real and the cause is well known. Al Gore's hot air!!!!

Without that, no global warming hysteria, less grant money ....

Decertifying Meteorologists

The DUmmies at the Democrat underground agree with Heidi Cullen that any meteorologist who does not buy into the Global Warming orthodoxy should be decertified.

Global Warming Becomes Democrat "Science" Orthodoxy

This whole thing is too funny

This whole thing is too funny (but too scary as well). Here you have an "academic" advancing the idea that all other "academics" (and that's what certified meteorolgists are) should be blackballed for not toeing the "official" party line. Sounds like something that Stalin would approve of, or the folks in Germany in the late 1930s. As I said, scary. 

Would the DUmmies also demand that any college professor who didn't buy into the "Bush lied, millions died" mantra lose their tenure to teach? (sound of crickets).

Now, I have to go back to thawing out my frozen water pipes-anyone seen Al Gore? I need someone to hold the hair dryer...

There are probably a whole lo

There are probably a whole lot of sceptics where she works. I bet there will be some cool receptions when she goes.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

danbo...Don't know if it was

danbo...

Don't know if it was intentional, but I liked that line "I bet there will be some cool receptions when she goes".

Cool reception about GW... get it?

I like. It was accidental. B

I like. It was accidental. But so accurate.

Let's chill her out..

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

danbo,I am confused.   How

danbo,

I am confused.   How can any of these so-called intellectually honest, hyper-educated, academics be so bloody stupid? 

The only time I've spent on a college campus was when I attended.

Can you explain this to me?

As for the weather lady....delusions of grandeur.

 

A couple of  thoughts. And I

A couple of  thoughts. And I'm not covering everything.

I hate to say this. But when I was in grad school. I had classmates who I had to wonder> How they got out of high school. Much less how they got into grad school.

I was in an applied field. I had professors who went straight from grad school as a student to grad school as a professor. No or little experience in the real world of applying. All theoretical. To me applied and theoretical are different.

Second. Happer in a work I pointed to earlier discussed an aspect of science. Science when it works right, is open. Scientist have access to each other s work, data etc. They rip into each others work.

It;s time consuming, takes a strong stomach but helps weed out flaws. Errors of accepting a false hypothesis etc.

However there are some "scientist" who have problems with other scientist ripping into their work (fragile egos or are so allured by money, the limelight or just driven by their position) it's easier to bypass the process. You let people who are friendly agree. And you band together and silence the inconvenient people.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Danbo - during the 36 years I

Danbo - during the 36 years I worked for DOD, I ran into many people like you describe.  The more degrees they had, the more incompetent they were.  I knew one man who had 11 degrees from various schools, and was so incompetent he was fired.  And when the govt fires you, you cant even work at McDonalds.

And I like you wondered how some of these PhD's got out of high school, much less make it through college.  I found out a degree is not much of an indicator of intelligence.  They are taught the theoretical and abstract.  Common sense was not common among these people.

misterbee241 - I've got a theory about that and academia.

misterbee241 - I've got a theory about that and academia.

Some people have a talent.  Not necessarily a brain.  Some people can sing and some can focus on a single issue.  Some people go to Grad school.

Whaddya think?

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

You go to grad school to get

You go to grad school to get a piece of paper to allow you to do what you do. (It was damned close to a requirement in my field to do anything beyond entry level work.)

It means you were able to get in and had enough deferred gratification (williness to be poor) to stick it out till the end.

Not much more.

.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

I've been in a few 'grad' schools.

I've been in a few 'grad' schools.

At first you're sorta excited about being accepted.  Then you realize you already know what they are supposed to teach.  Then you realize that coeds like Grad Students.

:-)

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

I was one of those people who

I was one of those people who went back to grad school after working in the field for about 6 or 7 years. (Got tired of lack of a grad degree being held over my head.) And soon realized I had as much if not more experience than many of my professors.

That was during my divorcee years. And there were 3 or 4 members of the female persuasion to every guy. And about a third of the guys were married. And a quarter gay.

I have many fond memories of those years.

For me. I will say two things good about grad school. You had time to sit back and look at what you do within your profession. As you didn't have to spend so much time doing it. (Helps if you actually have experience in it first.) And 2. I learned a lot about good research. I had a great research professor. The kind of guy you had to pull in from the rain, because he was so absorbed with analyzing research.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

"...coeds like grad stud

"...coeds like grad students."

I presume you mean college girls?

Where do I sign up?  :-)

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

For conservatives, a PHD is

For conservatives, a PHD is a path they must sometimes pursue in order to achieve their goals.

A liberal elitist envisions a PHD as a means of achieving intellectual superiority over the masses. Sadly in these cases, all a PHD means is I "Paid Higher Dollars".

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

I know lots of high school dr

I know lots of high school drops out that are brighter and sharper than many if not most of my former professors.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

I think we all know people wh

I think we all know people who think an advanced degree means intellectual superiority (Mann is an example).

I'd get thrown off this board for saying what I think of the arrogant a----.

The condescending twits.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

danbo,I think you nailed it.I

danbo,

I think you nailed it.

I started on my MBA once.  After one semester, I decided I'd been there, done that, and why spend all that money for a piece of paper?

Guess I'm just not into "deferred gratification".

Hey Blonde.

Hey Blonde.

I'm sorta having one of 'those' days where all the junk seems to overwhelm.  And then I read stuff that makes me understand I'm really underwhelmed.  I guess.  Maybe.  Sorta.

Started out sorta blue and Mark fixed that.  But, I'm just whining.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

Hey ACA,Go boat shopping. Tha

Hey ACA,

Go boat shopping. That'll fix it.  ;-)

Or read WTH's blog about the Chinese Fat Kid & Micky D's.  It's hillarious.  I was just getting ready to post something there when I saw my name.

Gotta run.

...Sort of like a productive

...Sort of like a productive class vs. a "professional students" class?

During 37+ years with the Dept. of Ag., i've had experience dealing with the highly educated who are bereft of a modicum of logic or common sense. These folks weren't stupid, but often didn't seem capable of transitioning from the theoretical to the practical.

Troglodyte says: Algore believes in man-caused global warming, but can’t understand where the white goes when the snow melts.

That's well stated Trog..

That's well stated Trog.. much easier to debate the theoretical all day rather than bust your arse implementing the practical.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

I suspect we're both not tal

I suspect we're both not talking about the people who are so absorbed by a very small aspect of something, that you need to hold them by the hand and lead them inside when it starts to rain.

Rather it's people who you think need to retake the class where: If Johnny gives you 3 apples, and Sally  gives you 2 oranges...

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Thanks, danbo.

Thanks, danbo.

That reminded me of a really really really bad 6th grade joke involving a wheat field and Sally and Johnny.

:-)

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

I never wanted to go to col

I never wanted to go to college and almost left home. The academic world bored me to death. I started a company while in school. People who realize their desires should not be penalized by four years of science, dem history..., maybe there could be a one or two year program for those who require the training. How many of us end up working in graduate fields?

JDW

Kerry: "You know, education, if you make the most of it ... you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

*"The climate of this pl

*"The climate of this planet has been changing since God put the planet here."

Well, argument null..... he's gone all supernatural-space cadet on us. He must also believe that females must leave the camp during menstruation, Noah built a boat for 2 butterflies, 2 elephants, 2 grubworms, etc, AND that Adam and Eve road a dinosaur to church on sundays.

Oh yes, his argument is null

Oh yes, his argument is null because he said "since God put the planet here".  That in no way shows his advocacy for Intelligent Design.  He mentioned the freakin Ice Age.  That's a climactic event that half the people who post on this site probably don't believe happened cuz it's more than 6,000 years ago.

Besides, It's a figure of speech you stooge.

So, your point would be? Half the people?

So, your point would be?  Half the people?

Or only people here are half.  I'm missing your point.  Are you seriously saying that if one is  a Christian (and before you make a complete idiot out of yourself, understand that I am not a Christian) that one has to believe the Liberal Canard that all Christians believe the earth is only 3+ thousand years old?

What kind of comment was that?

Are your trying to be deliberately nasty?  Or what.

It sure isn't smart.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

I'm basing my statement abo

I'm basing my statement about the "6000 year old Earth" from a previous article and the following comments found on this site.

http://newsbusters.org/node/7333#comment-179499

I'll admit that the generalization "half the people here" was perhaps a little to general. So to answer your question, (from the way I understood it) no I'm not saying that I believe the Lib Canard that all Christians believe the Earth is young. Just that based on experience on this site, there are enough who do believe it for myself to feel it was a warranted comment.

Besides, I didn't think Oklahoma was kidding and I was ragging on him...

I thought throwing in some ab

I thought throwing in some absurd crap that the secular-liberals hang on God-fearing folks would be enough to show that I'm just making a joke.

I'm fired up by the good meteorologist but I know the Climo-socialists would be scanning his words for just one thing that would nullify his entire point.

So, Presbyter... we're likely on the same team... and since you missed the joke, you get to be the stooge for today.  -grins-

Only a blind monkey would miss that joke. He meant it.

Only a blind monkey would miss that joke.  He meant it.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

I guess I am the stooge cuz

I guess I am the stooge cuz I didn't take it as a joke at all. To me
it seemed to be exactly what a liberal on this site would say and since
I don't recall reading any of your past comments to get an idea of what your ideology is and you don't have anything written in your profile, I assumed the worst.

Preach it, brother! ~~~VOT

Preach it, brother!

~~~
VOTE DEMOCRAT!

(It's easier than thinking)

Just typical of the lefty i

Just typical of the lefty ideology of we'll give you your opinion when we think it is good for you.

Good to see someone along with other preeminent climatologists are calling out Algore and his crews' hypocrisy, such as Algore's property in Tennessee being a wherehousing facility for hazardous material.

"I'm just a big fat hairy American Winning Machine!" - Ricky Bobby

I'm so fed up with the msm

I'm so fed up with the msm and the scientists
trying to spin global warming into something that can generate fear and
goverment research dollars for the mating habits of house flies or
whatever.

Well, add corporate america to that list. The following have joined the alarmist Environmental Defense, the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Pew
Center on Global Climate Change and the World Resources Institute to challenge the Bush administration:

Alcoa
BP America
Caterpillar
DuPont
General Electric
Lehman
Brothers
Duke
Energy
FPL Group
PG&E
PNM

Obviously, this is a serious blow to all of us who hate to see
populist, defeatist propaganda send our country down the drain. The
enemy continues to make gains in this country and it is up to us. We
need to send a message to these misguided corporations by boycotting
their goods and services and encouraging our neighbors to do the same.
Spread it around...

Since global warming is happe

Since global warming is happening on all the other planets in our solar system, what do you propose we do to stop it??  Must have been that phony Apollo mission's fault, huh Blob?

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

blog,What do you suggest I do

blog,

What do you suggest I do about FPL?

If I refuse to pay my bill, they cut off my power.

But they never forget to add the hurricane surcharge.  To replace their crappy infrastructure. 

In August of 2004, about two weeks before the kickoff to that epic hurricane season (four hurricanes hit Florida that year), the power pole holding the lines to my home keeled over from old age.  Dead rotted.  Fell on my neighbors five- day old pick-up truck.   The repair guys told me that's just the way they operate....let it die of old age and replace it.

And now they're "supporting" this?  Sheesh!

Neil Cavuto had a meterologis

Neil Cavuto had a meterologist and a representative from Greenpeace on to discuss this today on FOX. In the course of the discussion the meterologist said he did not buy into the "man made" theory of the current weather phenominon. The rep. from Greenpeace said the woman at the Weather Channel was beyond reproach (paraphrasing here), and said the meteroroligist was not a "Scientist" and could not say anything about global warming.

Bottom line........when asked about the creditentals of the guests the Greenpeace spokesman was ................wait for it.....an ECONOMIST!!!! What a hoot!!!

Sane meteroligists-------1

Greenpeace--------------ZERO

And as I noted here last nigh

And as I noted here last night, Ms. Cullen's undergrad degree (from that right wing institution known as "Columbia University") was in Engineering, not Meteorology. 

One other question-if Ms. Cullen wasn't as they say "TV camera friendly" (in other words, if she wasn't an intelligent good looking young woman) would she have been given as much press, or have her current Weather Channel position, regardless of her qualifications?

transcript here.

transcript here.

I'm surprised that James did

I'm surprised that James did not touch on the Earth religion factor involved. I know there is big money wrapped up in the GW debate, but the rank and file of the Earthies are some very dedicated followers, even dangerous at times. 

James Spann will be on Hannit

James Spann will be on Hannity and Colmes on Monday, should be a good one.

Thanks, CT.My new favorite we

Thanks, CT.

My new favorite weather guy.

We have a long weekend. And I

We have a long weekend. And I'm senile. Please remind us. I'd like to watch, His pod cast were good.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

This guy will be Keith Olberm

This guy will be Keith Olbermann's "Worst Person of the Day" for denieing that man is the cause of Global Warming....

Zone...You can bet on it!

Zone...

You can bet on it!

YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!

global cooling and credentials

Maybe the Weather Channel's expert propagandist would like to match her credentials with Dr. Weiss of the Department of Applied Mathematics and Theoretical Physics at the University of Cambridge, past President of the Royal Astronomical Society, and a scientist as honored as they come. He says that the science about global warming is anything but settled, except for one virtual certainty: The world is about to enter a cooling period. Dr. Weiss believes that man-made greenhouse gases have recently had a role in warming the earth, although the extent of that role, he says, cannot yet be known. What is known, however, is that throughout earth's history climate change has been driven by factors other than man: "Variable behaviour of the sun is an obvious explanation," says Dr. Weiss, "and there is increasing evidence that Earth's climate responds to changing patterns of solar magnetic activity." The sun's most obvious magnetic features are sunspots, formed as magnetic fields rip through the sun's surface. A magnetically active sun boosts the number of sunspots, indicating that vast amounts of energy are being released from deep within. Typically, sunspots flare up and settle down in cycles of about 11 years. In the last 50 years, we haven't been living in typical times: "If you look back into the sun's past, you find that we live in a period of abnormally high solar activity," Dr. Weiss states.

These hyperactive periods do not last long, "perhaps 50 to 100 years, then you get a crash," says Dr. Weiss. 'It's a boom-bust system, and I would expect a crash soon." In addition to the 11-year cycle, sunspots almost entirely "crash," or die out, every 200 years or so as solar activity diminishes. When the crash occurs, the Earth can cool dramatically. Dr. Weiss knows because these phenomenon, known as "Grand minima," have recurred over the past 10,000 years, if not longer. "The deeper the crash, the longer it will last," Dr. Weiss explains. In the 17th century, sunspots almost completely disappeared for 70 years. That was the coldest interval of the Little Ice Age, when New York Harbour froze, allowing walkers to journey from Manhattan to Staten Island, and when Viking colonies abandoned Greenland, a once verdant land that became tundra. Also in the Little Ice Age, Finland lost one-third of its population, Iceland half. The previous cooling period lasted 150 years while a minor crash at the beginning of the 19th century was accompanied by a cooling period that lasted only 30 years.

In contrast, when the sun is very active, such as the period we're now in, the Earth can warm dramatically. This was the case during the Medieval Warm Period, when the Vikings first colonized Greenland and when Britain was wine-growing country. I do believe a team of Japanese scientists have come to the same conclusion...Of course , the MSM + Al Gore + cows produce all the flatulent heat needed to keep the earth's temperature on the rise.

Very Interesting stuff, Doc.F

Very Interesting stuff, Doc.

From a disciplinary perspective that seems light-years apart from climatology or meteorology, I’ve often pondered about another Earth dynamic that I don’t believe has been considered much in the global warming debate. I have a theory that I wish would be investigated by Researchers who’s only motivation is scientific curiosity, and it is the dynamic of what we call Magnetic North.

Most understand that the Earth’s astrological axis determines True North, and that it’s fairly static relative to the solar system. Magnetic North, on the other hand, is always changing as a result of the dynamo actions of Earth’s orbit, rotation and internal physics. Currently, the magnetic north pole is somewhere in the Canadian Arctic Sea, but it is on a journey, slowly looping around astrological north. It will make the full loop in about 25,000 years.

The current offset from true north is around 600 miles. If that offset is maintained, it’s relationship with true north after half a rotation (in 12,500 years) will be 600 miles opposite of true north from it’s current position. Theoretically, then, magnetic north, when it is positioned directly between my front porch and true north, will be 1,200 miles closer than it will be in 12,500 years. If there was a direct relationship between the Earth’s magnetic field and climate, this dynamic could account for the equatorial climate conditions to migrate the equivalent of about 100 miles every 1,250 years or so.

I am assuming, of course, that weather and climate patterns are influenced more by Earth’s magnetic field than by it astrological position. If there is validity to this theory, then the changing ratio of landmass and open sea that are subject to the these pattern changes would play a significant role in additional weather pattern and climate change due to their differences in rates of thermal absorption and dispersion.

I think it’s a valid consideration, even coming from this old guy with background in geography and cartography.

Troglodyte says: Algore believes in man-caused global warming, but can’t understand where the white goes when the snow melts.

Ron and Trog

Ron and Trog,

I would like to add another theory into the equation which seems to be totally ignored. In its recent statement concerning 2006 being the warmest year on record in the US, NOAA addressed some changes made to temperature calculation methodologies from 1985 through 2006, and changes that are going to go into effect this year. In fact, NOAA stated that using the newer models, 2006 would not be warmer than 1998.

To me, this raises a fascinating question: is it possible that global warming is indeed man-mind, but not by industry and individual pollutants, but instead by the increasing technology involved in meteorology and climatology?

NOAA in its statement talked about 1500 (if I recall) stations around the country measuring temperature 24 hours a day. Did this exist 100 years ago, or even 50 years ago? Doubtful, correct? Furthermore, how often were temperatures measured at the various locations that existed 50 and 100 years ago? Is it possible that the real highs and the real lows for any given day were missed due to the frequency of such observations versus today?

And, how accurate were thermometers 50 and 100 years ago? Today, what they use is measuring degrees to several decimal points, yes? Was this the case years ago, or were temperatures only reported in whole numbers? This could make a HUGE statistical difference, couldn't it?

A few months ago, one of the NOAA climatologists claimed that the supposedly higher frequency of hurricanes in the past thirty years is likely attributable to the increase in technology in identifying such occurrences, and the improvements in being able to measure them. He referenced disastrous hurricanes in previous decades that killed hundreds of thousands of people, but weren't classified as hurricanes at the time.

As such, isn't it possible that we are much more accurately calculating temperatures around the country and the world today, and that this added accuracy plays a part in "global warming"?   ns

Noel. In the 1980's a large n

Noel. In the 1980's a large number of stations were closed due to budget. (See middle graph this page, http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/station_data/  ) Many of these stations were usually small and in isolated locations. If you look at isolated locations verses urban locations we see little if any warming. 

You will also notice they consistently give you mean tempertures. If you look more closely and when you can find maximum, mean and minimum temps. You often seen little if any increase in maximum. Rather the minimums are higher. Affecting the mean. If we had greenhouse. the days should also be consistently getting warmer. To me. This is less an indication of greenhouse and more an indication of urban heat island effect. All that concrete, tarmacs, runways. (How many airports in 1900?)

Beyond the accuracy of thermometers. Digital verses bulb. Dr Vincent Grey has pointed to a shift in the way tempertures are taken. At a weather station the thermometer is in a structure to sheld it from the direct rays of the sun. It is ventelated. But not all of the heat escapes. used to be, to take a reading the meterologist had to run down to the structure. Open it up to take the reading. That action released the built up heat and lowered the temperture. Now they use remote sensing. The box never gets opened. the heat never escapes.

IMHO. The data set is so dirty, and has been altered so many times any conclussions drawn from it are iffy at best.

But climateologist have a model and they're looking for data to support it. Remember the temperture increase they're talking about is not great.

When they tell me this is the 6th hottest year, I read it as the 6th in the last 15.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

Danbo

D,

Exactly. As a result, how can we possibly compare statistics obtained by differing methodologies? In fact, that is the very definition of junk science!!! 

Yet, this never enters the debate does it? As folks like Al Gore and Nancy Pelosi discuss the imminent end of the world, they totally ignore the possibility that their conclusions are based on differences in data collection, as do a fawning media. How preposterous.  ns

Another Factor

Well, since everyone is on their theories, I've had one for a while and it has been studied, although I don't believe there's been enough emphasis on it, it's called U.H.E. or Urban Heat Effect.  If we were to take into account, all the asphalt that's been laid, in the past 1/2 century, and calculate the amount of heat it absorbs, during the day, and gives off at night, there is the potential for warming.  Add to this the fact that all of these temperature measuring devices have to be measuring some of this U.H.E., and it's not being accounted for. 

One other fact, conveniently avoided is that, since we have many more people, living on earth, since the 1800's, who all give off carbon dioxide, they must be contributing to the increase in CO2 in the atmosphere.  To blame all of this increase on the automobile and power plants, seems to be leaving out some calculations. 

I'm not a scientist, and I don't play one on television, but anyone who believes in the Al Gore version of Global Warming, and is unwilling to look at alternatives, is being strictly political and not scientific.

An interesting quote I found.

An interesting quote I found.

"No matter if the science is all phony, there are collateral environmental benefits.... Climate change [provides] the greatest chance to bring about justice and equality in the world."

Christine Stewart, Minister of the Environment of Canada"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

. . . . equality in the wor

. . . . equality in the world."

With 'equality' meaning bring the masses down to the lowest common denominator. What else could it mean? I would ask the author, 'what would be required to make Einstein equal to all other physicists?' If all are to be equal, none can be smarter, none can own more, none can have better. This, of course, does not include the elites . . ., politicians, professors, entertainers, etc., they will be more than equal.

DSG

Meteorologists agree Spann is wrong

This is from the American Meteorological Society policy page, the organization that licenses tv meteorologists.  It says that Spann is wrong, and must be lying if he says meteorologists disagree, since meteorologists WROTE this. 

Climate Change Research: Issues for the Atmospheric and Related Sciences

(Adopted by AMS Council on 9 February 2003)
Bull. Amer. Met. Soc., 84, 508—515

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Executive Summary

There is now clear evidence that the mean annual temperature at the Earth's surface, averaged over the entire globe, has been increasing in the past 200 years. There is also clear evidence that the abundance of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has increased over the same period. In the past decade, significant progress has been made toward a better understanding of the climate system and toward improved projections of long-term climate change. Several national and international studies published in 2001 have provided reviews and assessments of the science of climate change. A National Research Council report concluded that "[g]reenhouse gases are accumulating in the Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise. . . . The changes observed over the last several decades are likely mostly due to human activities, but we cannot rule out that some significant part of these changes is also a reflection of natural variability" (National Research Council 2001a). The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reported that recent regional climate changes, particularly temperature increases, have already affected many physical and biological systems (McCarthy et al. 2001), and a national assessment on climate change impacts on the United States concluded that "natural ecosystems, which are our life support system in many ways, appear to be the most vulnerable to the harmful effects of climate change," but, "highly managed ecosystems appear more robust" (National Assessment Synthesis Team 2001).

The report by the IPCC stated that the global mean temperature is projected to increase by 1.4°C-5.8°C in the next 100 years (Houghton et al. 2001). Uncertainties remain in several key aspects, including the magnitude, timing, and regional distribution of anticipated climate change. These uncertainties can and should be better understood and quantified, and reduced by advances in the following research areas:

  • Understanding of climate system forcing, interactions and feedbacks;
  • Projections of global and regional climate change and their environmental and social impacts;
  • Methods for quantifying the uncertainty of climate change projections and articulating our understanding of the uncertainties to policy makers.

The infrastructure required to meet these research priorities include

  • reliable, long-term climate information from paleorecords as well as from existing and future observational systems, designed or adapted for the study of climate variability and change;
  • adequate computational resources for climate research and projections and for ensembles of calculations to quantify uncertainties in the projections;
  • a focused and well-coordinated multiagency and international research and applications structure.

Because human activities are contributing to climate change, we have a collective responsibility to develop and undertake carefully considered response actions. The fundamental challenge is to understand and respond to the risk represented by climate change in the larger context of overall societal issues and environmental stresses. Development of effective response strategies requires a holistic approach, in which the natural and social sciences, in tandem with technology and engineering, proceed side by side in a broad multidisciplinary effort. The federal agencies involved are now organized under a presidential initiative that mandates cooperative activities in climate change research and climate change technology (U.S. Climate Change Science Program 2002).

Re read the article. Spann sa

Re read the article. Spann says he doesn't know any metorologists that believe it. He doesn't say there are none that believe it.

Newsflash...Rev B.R. Shiver,

Newsflash...

Rev B.R. Shiver, pastor of the United Methodist Church of Denver has called for a day of prayer for this coming Friday, Jan 26 2007. The Pastor Shiver is asking all denominations across the Denver and metro area to gather at their house of worship to pray for Global Warming.

I think the good people of De

I think the good people of Denver, are all for global warming the way the weather has been lately.

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”   H.L. Mencken

C&P questions for those who critically think

One cut and paste deserves another...

1) If the Kyoto Protocol addresses a GLOBAL problem called GLOBAL warming, why are China, Mexico, and India, among other countries, exempt from it?

2) Why does the Kyoto Protocol not address, at all the issue of tropical deforestation, which is the cause of 20% of global greenhouse emissions?

3) Why no major Atlantic hurricanes this year?

4) How come the world's highest recorded temperature was recorded in 1922?

5) Why did it snow south and east of San Antonio for Christmas 2004? San Antonio RARELY if EVER gets snow.

6) Why did it snow in Lisbon and New Delhi in the winter of 2005-2006? Why did it snow in Johannesburg in July 2006 during the austral winter?

7) Exit Glacier has been melting since at least 1780. What human activity back then was causing the glacier to melt?

8) Explain the appearance of icebergs in the Chukchi Sea and the Beaufort Sea in the Barrow area at the end of July 2004.

9) If man made global warming is happening, the theorists have MUCH explaining to do.  I've been hearing about this for 20+ years now, and figured that the few ice storms this area gets shouldn't be happening at all with higher average temperatures.  Yet, one week ago, I was chipping away at anywhere from 1/8 to 1/4 inch of ice encrusted on my truck, and my city shut down due to their inability to handle icy conditions. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Where do you live  just out

Where do you live  just out of curiosity Un...I know you may have mentioned it before, but there are so many we all talk to here.

I know I see the weather guesser say the worst area in the county is..and I could scream at times, we get three feet of snow and a deep freeze with fifteen below every night for a week straight and zilch on the news...but the schools never shut down...life goes on.

I find it sad when people are not prepared for something unexpected like snow and ice coming in winter...no matter how little...even Spokane here in my vicinity...actually it is quite comical at times.

Global warming is gonna be the death of us dontcha' know.

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

Deep in the heart of Texas

I live in the vicinity of San Antonio now.  It's just a hair below 30 degrees North latitude.  We are NOT supposed to be getting ice storms, now, or ever!

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Uh Oh! Have you alerted Algor

Uh Oh!

Have you alerted Algore of this and gave him some INCONVIENT facts...just the facts!

Btw....Throw in the Weather Channel and whats her name too! (which I have posted about but her name escapes me at the moment and to lazy to look it up)

Seriously though, which I was kind of to the above lines, I have watched the weather down there it is amazing to me...there have been quite a few deaths in the geographic area has there not...mostly from vehicle accidents I think I heard.

Global Warming my arse...things go in cycles...it has not been this cold here that they know of for so many days in a row with our deep freeze since they stated recording temps since the 1800's I think they said 1864, may have been 1884 , Spokane is our local weather channel even though I am in Mt...so who knows...but it is damned cold.

Bring on Global Warming ...puhleeeeze!

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan