Nuclear Showdown: Fund Forces Matthews Back-Down [Chris-in-Retreat Video]

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By Mark Finkelstein | January 19, 2007 - 19:02 ET

Chris Matthews and John Fund had something of a nuclear showdown on this afternoon's Hardball. Matthews' current kick is worrying that President Bush might launch an attack on Iran without congressional authorization. In that context, talk turned to Saddam's nuclear program and that of North Korea.

View video here.

Said Fund, speaking of the build-up to the Iraq war: "The administration said there were weapons of mass destruction. They never claimed the United States was in imminent danger."

Matthews: "They did make the claim they [Iraq] had a nuclear weapon."

Fund: "No!! They did not claim they had a nuclear weapon! Give me the statement!

Matthews had none. The most he could muster was an Iraqi claim of a delivery system -- not of a weapon itself.

Fund: "Chris, do you believe North Korea has a nuclear weapon?"

Matthews, after some serious dead air: "I don't know."

Fund: "You don't?? We know they do! They've announced it!!"

Matthews: "OK. But what's the point? What's the point here?"

Oh, I don't know: perhaps that Chris should get his facts straight before venturing into his next facedown with John Fund!

Mark was in Iraq in November. Contact him at mark@gunhill.net

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I'll bet John Fund is off the

I'll bet John Fund is off the approved guest list now!

Lee T.

U.S. Navy (ret.) / Hillsboro, Oregon

I have enough money to last me the rest of my life. Unless I buy something.

Well at least he didn't start

Well at least he didn't start swearing, like he's been doing the past week.

While I have no lost love for

While I have no lost love for Chrissy, one thing I will give him is that, unlike that halfwit Olbermann, Matthews will occasionally have a guest that disgrees with him. Krazy Keith only invites lapdogs on his show.

John Fund: The nail into the

John Fund: The nail into the gas bag that is Chris Matthews. Pfffft...

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Ooo,whats that smell?

Ooo,whats that smell?

Thank you, Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Thank you, Lynyrd Skynyrd.

A dead skunk at MSNBC

A dead skunk at MSNBC

remember in the old Warner Br

remember in the old Warner Bros cartoons when Bugs Bunny would stand in front of a door, arms outstreched,  blocking it from those two gangsters pleading "Don't look in here! Don't look in here!"

Well replace Bugs with Chris Matthews and label the door "North Korean Nuke Program" and/or "Iranian Nuke Program" Or just "North Korea" or "Iran" because GOD FORBID that we take military action without his and the rest of his lib MSM and UN loving pals in Manhattan's permission

Dem's claimed nukes, not Republicans

Democrats claimed nukes, not Republicans. Matthews should know this - it happened right on his show - only a year ago. Thanks Mark - this interview had me on the edge of my seat, indeed.

'Hardball with Chris Matthews' Nov. 7, 2005
Senator Carl Levin (D) of Michigan, a member of the Intelligence Committee
- look there was plenty of evidence that Saddam had nuclear weapons, by the way.  That is not in dispute.  There is plenty of evidence of that.

John Fund gave Matthews a bit of a hard time -very rare and very enjoyable. And, there was a few more points that Matthews was ranting about - uneducated as usual - that it was only the Bush folks who were trying to sell the view that Saddam was a "threat to the US". That was a long held view used by many, including the Clinton administration before Bush - Clinton, Sec. Cohen, Sec. Richardson, Al Gore, John Kerry and even sweet John Edwards:

"Saddam Hussein's regime represents a grave threat to America and our allies, including our vital ally, Israel. For more than two decades, Saddam Hussein has sought weapons of mass destruction through every available means. We know that he has chemical and biological weapons. He has already used them against his neighbors and his own people, and is trying to build more. We know that he is doing everything he can to build nuclear weapons, and we know that each day he gets closer to achieving that goal." -- John Edwards, Oct 10, 2002

 

Russert, Tim -  Meet the Press, October 10, 2004, synopsis

Edwards Supports The President On The War In Iraq?  Even Russert Is Confused! 

RUSSERT: “I think what confuses people, Senator, is that there seems to be a difference in rhetoric and emphasis. Back in October of 2002, you voted to authorize the country to go to war. In fact, you said this about Saddam: ‘I think Iraq is the most serious and imminent threat to our country.’ ‘The most serious and imminent threat to our country.’ And you underscored it by saying this:”

 EDWARDS (on video): “I think Iraq and Saddam Hussein present the most serious and most imminent threat.”

RUSSERT: “Most serious and imminent threat. Were you just dead wrong?”

 EDWARDS: “No, I think Saddam Hussein was a very serious threat. I stand by that, and that’s why we stand behind our vote on the resolution.” (NBC’s “Meet The Press,” 10/10/04) 

Matthews has been doing thing

Matthews has been doing things like on his show this for about five years. Certainly since we went into Iraq.

The Plame matter, Wilson's charges, intelligence estimates, al-Qaeda-Iraq ties, on and on and on. Falsehood after falsehood after falsehood.

Although, to be fair (ahem), I'm sure he believes each and every one of the inaccuracies.

Well, at least he allows dissenting views on the show. They don't get to talk much; but it's a start. Contrast that with the "news show" that comes on right after his. With that famous "news anchor", also known as the Edward R. Murrow of our day.

Chris

Rev. Sharpton looked like a deer in headlights. Chris looked like he had already been run over...

Imagine that I am typing &q

Imagine that I am typing "Chris Matthews is a dunce" across your screen a million times and then you all would understand the joy I feel over an intelligent guest not backing down to his bullying and "interviewing" techniques.

"I'm just a big fat hairy American Winning Machine!" - Ricky Bobby

Seemed like as good a place t

Seemed like as good a place to post this as any. Apparently, dissing your replacements isn't just good sport for Democratic ex-Presidents anymore... now, VPs are getting on the bandwagon....

Mondale blames Cheney.

<edit> Ooops, sorry... just found the open thread... oh, well... <end edit>

Mark, you went to Iraq to bri

Mark, you went to Iraq to bring us the unvarnished truth and did! Isn't that enough? Do you actually spend your day watching this drivel? You must have the constitution of an ox! Bless you, I couldn't do it.

Thanks, I give a lot of the

Thanks, I give a lot of the credit to my daily Prilosec. And exposing this kind of stuff is what NB is all about!

Prilosec???

Prilosec???

ACA

...

Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

Yup!

Yup!

My solution is copious amount

My solution is copious amounts of rum.

Buford,You're letting your Fl

Buford,

You're letting your Floridian show!  ;-)

Oops....sorry. Guess I let th

Oops....sorry. Guess I let the cat out'a the bag.

prilosec

Mark, I have been using Pilosec for about 5 years--this was recently announced. Worth the read!

http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/overview/prilosec

Matthews often gets his &quot

Matthews often gets his "facts" wrong --- mixing and/or confusing  rhetoric with truth, dropping or adding an adverb to a quote, etc.  What's maddening is when none of his panelists correct him.  It's good to see that John Fund, in this case, called Matthews out on his lies.

John Fund You The Man

John Fund really put Chrissy Sissy in his place (for once). It's so pathetic when he decries the possibility of the US attacking Iran. What, Chrissy, hiding under your desk, are you? I say let's go for it...most of the youth in Iran can't stand their stagnant economy and are ripe for change. It's a fact, Chrissy, that you'd best not ignore 'cause you wouldn't want to be behind the times, now would you?

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

JOHN FUND YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!

JOHN FUND YOU ARE THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Iran

In fact, I suspect the only reason we haven't gone into Iran is because it is a nation with a generally pro-American population led by a highly anti-American government. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

John Fund

Intelligent, logical John Fund vs. Matthews and Sharpton, poster boys for ignorance on T.V. Not fair and balanced at all.

NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal 

I can't believe Matthews open

I can't believe Matthews opened his pie hole and made that comment ("they did make the claim they had a nuclear weapon.")  What a mouth breather.

I saw this show yesterday! It

I saw this show yesterday! It was priceless...I mean priceless!

There was dead air space with Matthews...just like between his ears!

Fund got him good! I mean good!

....for once I was really proud of Fund! (I have always liked him okay, but thought he never fought back with his defence enough, he sure did yesterday!)

Btw...Matthews actually mumbled too, he couldn't even get the spewing and spittle back out there for awhile...he must of thanked the good lord for a commercial break silently! (You know he had to be fuming!)

I was happily stunned by the whole little episode...

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

Big Timer you misspelled &quo

Big Timer you misspelled "defense."  You must be a Canadian!  ;)

That's a Negative there Chica

That's a Negative there Chicago...just an error, should of spell checked....eh?

"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under."  Ronald Reagan

I'm chuckling, back when I wa

I'm chuckling, back when I was a consultant I worked with a Canadian.  He was on a team full of Americans giving us grief for spelling "behavior" without the "u". 

My wife was born and raised in Chicago and I'm from Florida.  Its funny, when we first started dating I laughed my ass off at her accent.  Chicagoans pronounce the letter "o" as "ah".  "Mahm" (mom), "dahg"  (dog).... you get the picture.  I used to joke about participants in "Chicago Spelling Bee".

Judge: "your word is, 'Mom'"

Participant: "Mom.  M.O.M.  Mom."

Judge: "I'm sorry, its spelled 'M.A.H.M.'"