Keith Olbermann is scared. Not by the threat of terrorism in the United States. But at the notion that "24" might be raising Americans' awareness of the threat. And he has singled out NewsBusters for the role it has played in highlighting the issue.
Olbermann devoted a Countdown segment this evening to "24", suggesting that its two-night, four-hour season opener should have been sufficient to "scare or outrage you." Incomprehensibly, Olbermann complained that the show depicted various terrorist suicide attacks "not in places where these things already happened, but in a country called the United States of America." Is it possible that Keith Olbermann has forgotten 9-11?
View video here.
Olbermann then trained his sights on NewsBusters: "Right-wing websites leaving no doubt as to what they think viewers should take away from this fictional account, case in point Newsbusters.org, says this scene 'should be required viewing for all media members who question what's at risk and whether there really is a war on terror' and accuses the media of undermining the Bush administration and 'downplaying the seriousness of terrorism.'"
Olbermann was citing NewsBuster Noel Sheppard's '24' Goes Nuclear.
Keith ended his anti-NewsBusters riff with this puzzling comment: "I guess the rest of us didn't make it into a sit-com."
Oh, I don't know about that, Keith -- even if the humor is unintentional.















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I don't see this as a merit badge. Olbermann is scared? Good.
January 16, 2007 - 22:19 ET by acaiguanaI don't see this as a merit badge. Olbermann is scared? Good.
I've been waiting for him to get scared. When he gets scared and leaves his wet trail out of his seat, it won't be for NB. It will be because someone shows up with an AK-47 in his studio. And who will that be? Well, it won't be a White Supremist from Idaho (sorry Idaho, but you got that one) it'll be some guy named Mohammed, or Abdul. Sorry Abhul, but you got that one.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
But, it will be blamed on a g
January 16, 2007 - 22:39 ET by danboBut, it will be blamed on a guy driving a pick up with a rebel flag on it. Not on a guy named Mohammed or Abdul.
Even if it is done by a guy named Mohammed or Abdul
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
-- Joseph Stalin
Riiiight....Billy Bob and the
January 16, 2007 - 22:47 ET by BlondeRiiiight....Billy Bob and the Klan did it.
Gotcha.
How long where they looking f
January 16, 2007 - 23:18 ET by danboHow long where they looking for white guys in white vans in DC. For a few murders caused by the non terrorist, I believe named Mohammed?
Some white guy murdered Nicole Smith and Ron Goldman, and all those women killed by a serial killer in Baton Rouge,
They can't see anything but evil white guys.
It's the only politically correct option. To look at anything else is racist. The media can't and won't do that. And unfortunately, as with Baton Rouge's serial killer. Neither the police or DA.
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
-- Joseph Stalin
They did catch a few illegals though in a white minivan
January 16, 2007 - 23:23 ET by terrigYes, I was living near Richmond at the time at Fort Lee and their was a shooting in Ashland and we were out of school for two days (yet the malls were packed with kids too scared to go to school, go figure?). They got a white van matching the description of the "shooters". It turned out there were two or three illegal aliens gassing up their vehicle to do the job Americans won't do. They eventually did get deported. It was great, they broke into the local programming and everything. They sure had egg on their face when later that day someone else unfortunately was killed.
You have your facts wrong,
January 17, 2007 - 10:48 ET by MightyMouthYou have your facts wrong, "Hate Radio" (Air America) is about to go under, so they wont be "spurring" on anything.
<edit> what just happened?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I dunno, get your lousy comment outta my thread...:-)
January 17, 2007 - 11:05 ET by acaiguanaI dunno, get your lousy comment outta my thread...:-)
AC
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
And let's not forget the soli
January 17, 2007 - 01:53 ET byAnd let's not forget the solid Muslim names of Barack, Hussein, and Obama.
Olberdolt
January 16, 2007 - 22:25 ET by Free StinkerOlberman mentioned Newsbusters?
Too bad it wasn't someone who has an audience! ;-)
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"One thing that seperates liberals from conservatives is that liberals are craftier and work without the hinderance of a conscience." --Lynn Wooley
Free,Be careful what you wish
January 16, 2007 - 22:30 ET by BlondeFree,
Be careful what you wish for....with Olby's audience, we'll have a boatload of trolls here momentarily.
Eeek!
Please, Keith, Countdown is a
January 16, 2007 - 22:35 ET by SMGalbraithPlease, Keith, Countdown is a sit-com.
And Dennis Horgan, if by chance you read this: this is pretty pathetic. Can't you guys and gals come up with real material?
What would TK-stack money say about this?
I've never watched Olby yet m
January 16, 2007 - 22:38 ET by HumanEventsI've never watched Olby yet myself (only read scores of his incredibly inane comments). He sounds like he'd be about as able to stomach as Eleanor Clift (which requires the frequent MUTE button to make it). Also sounds like they'd make a great couple.
So what do you guys think, do
January 16, 2007 - 23:03 ET by USA4freedomSo what do you guys think, does OB run home to read News Busters? I find it amazing how they work the news both ways all the time. Bush (and homeland security) is doing an amazing job of keeping us safe. They complain non stop about Bush and the Republicans. OB and the NYT’ and the left constantly try to cripple our ability to track and catch them. Then the mental giants, complain that a television show will scare or outrage you, that the show depicted various terrorist suicide attacks "not in places where these things already happened, but in a country called the United States of America." There are acts of terror going on all over and you can thank your candy ass we have stopped them. Here is a list of some of the terror going on. Please note: some happened here you idiot… the 1993 World Trade Center attack (6 dead, more than 1,000 injured),the 1994 bombing of the Buenos Aires Jewish Center (86 dead), the 1994 Oklahoma City 168 dead, over 800 wounded. the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam (291 dead, 5,000 wounded), the 2000 attack on the U.S.S. Cole (17 dead), September 11, 2001 (over 3,000 killed), the 2002 Moscow theater hostage-taking (94 dead), the 2004 Beslan school hostage crisis(344 dead), the 2004 Madrid train bombings (192 dead), the 2005 London underground bombings (56 dead) and the 2006 commuter train bombings in Mumbai -- formerly Bombay (at least 200 dead). So I guess terror is not a problem?????
Ob you are such a un-American P.O.S. Oh by the way is your hair color changing?? Candy-A$$.
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
And for all the trolls: drop
January 16, 2007 - 23:05 ET by USA4freedomAnd for all the trolls: drop dead.
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
OB don't do coherent
January 16, 2007 - 23:22 ET by acumen"So what do you guys think, does OB run home to read News Busters?"
Oh no, Keith is much too important to dabble in details. Besides, it's everything OB can do to read a teleprompter, much less attempt to read coherent thought found on NB.
Yea I guess you are right.
January 16, 2007 - 23:29 ET by USA4freedomYea I guess you are right.
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
Trolls
January 17, 2007 - 10:46 ET by pbanks7Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is a troll?
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
I wonder if anyone counts a
January 16, 2007 - 23:07 ET by james789I wonder if anyone counts arsons and bombings against abortion clinics in America as acts of terrorism? Going back to 1976, there has been over 200 of these attacks in America. Since 2001 there have been 10 arsons and one bombing of abortion clinics, you would figure that the left would be foaming at the mouth about that since they were mostly done by radical Christians. Or how about the 554 letters sent to abortion clinics in 2001 alone, threatening anthrax poisoning? I think that indicates there is more terrorism in America than people want to talk about.
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/arsons.asp
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/anthrax.html
Also, lets not forget that the OK City bombing on April 19th 1995 killed 168 people, 19 of them children and injured over 800.
Democracy must be established by force, and only America can do it.
Shi'ite cleric, Iyad Jamal Al-Dinm
And your point is what?
January 16, 2007 - 23:17 ET by terrigJames, what exactly is your point? I think most people would agree that bombings of abortion clinics is domestic terrorism but I seriously have to dicker with your links and numbers. These are few and far between and the number in no way comes close to those who died on 9/11. I guess you're pro choice? Too bad your mother wasn't pro choice and choiced you well. Not to be too mean but seriously, those who don't have a problem with killing the unborn but have a problem with executing criminals (don't know if that's your story but it is a trend amongst the pro choice crowd) never cease to amaze me. The innocent can go the guilty live forever. As for myself, I would just as soon see all the death row inmates but on some deserted island somewhere where they have no comforts of home and where their families cannot visit them and talk to them. Just like the victims of their crimes are unable to visit with their loved ones unless it's the cemetary.
There was some supposed connection between McVeigh and the dirty bomber Jose Padilla. Of course whether or not that is true, we may never know. However, if you think this is such a terrible place, then by all means leave. Cuba is nice & tropical.
Your tag line just like your entire yapping that it's the rednecks who do all the terrorism is telling.
Hey terri,Cuba is nice &
January 16, 2007 - 23:23 ET by BlondeHey terri,
Cuba is nice & tropical.
And Fidel may be good & muerte, soon.
Wow!
I bet Fidel is "pro-choice"
I bet he is. Lets send th
January 16, 2007 - 23:25 ET by terrigI bet he is. Lets send the trolls there for a nice, long, permanent vacation!
Cuba's healthcare is so good
January 16, 2007 - 23:27 ET by USA4freedomCuba's healthcare is so good they flew a doctor in from Spain to work on him… Room temp soon…
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
Here's hoping, USA4.
January 16, 2007 - 23:36 ET by BlondeHere's hoping, USA4.
OUCH!! My point was to try
January 17, 2007 - 00:18 ET by james789OUCH!! My point was to try to get people who post things like you
just did to think about the fact that most terrorist acts committed on
American soil have been done by Americans, Jose Padilla that you bring
up is a prime example. I would add "God fearing" Americans but that
would most likely upset too many people here so I shouldn't say that,
but anyway you add the numbers, in any time frame you wish, the number of abortion clinic bombings and threats, far outnumber the number of terrorist attacks by Al Qaida, while I do agree with you about the number
of deaths from one terroristic act far outnumber the domestic deaths in
attacks on abortion clinics. If you had used the search function, you
would know that I am less pro-choice than George Bush, FYI, I and my
wife are raising a daughter with down syndrome, so yes I have personal
experience with the pros and cons of the abortion debate, and you would
have also found and read, although I doubt you would have understood
why I think that ROE-V-WADE was wrongly heard by the Supreme Court and
should be overturned. I didn't blame any terror acts on rednecks,
although since I grew up pretty close to Vidor, TX I could have added
close to 25 terror acts committed by rednecks and provided links to
each of them, but then what would be the point. I never served in the
military, choosing instead to be a volunteer Fire Fighter for eight
years with scars to show for it, I did so because of my hero, Ben
Franklin. As to my tag line I happen to like it almost as much as my
other one, and besides, almost all Americans know who Theodore
Roosevelt was but not many people know that there are Shi'ite
clerics in the world who believe that America is doing the right thing
in Iraq.
The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of
duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life.
– Theodore Roosevelt
Anyway I hope you got whatever it was out of your system so you can get a good nights rest.
One more thing I am a firm believer in capital punishment and think that excutions should be done by hanging in public and school kids should go watch and see what happens to criminals.
Democracy must be established by force, and only America can do it.
Shi'ite cleric, Iyad Jamal Al-Dinm
I have a daughter with Down Syndrome too, so what?
January 17, 2007 - 00:46 ET by terrigActually I had nothing to get out of my system. I just found it quite interesting that you brought out the wonders of the few whackos who bombed abortion clinics and was 100% positive that all Christians most condone it. Yes, Padilla was born in Chicago and was part of the gang "The Latin Kings". These are a bunch of fine, upstanding boys, who decided my late Uncle's skull would be a nice thing to kick in the head. Although Padilla wasn't associated with that particular crime he was in jail for something and at that point became a "radical Muslim".
It never occurred to my husband and me to even bother with amnio as it wasn't going to make a hill of beans if there was something wrong with the child that we had usded fertility treatments to finally conceive. I've never been fortunate enough to get pregnant again so we adopted a little boy from here in HI, who as crazy as his birth mother is, at least didn't abort him. We were lucky to get him as we went through Social Services. I have other friends who waited years for a baby to adopt.
There is nothing wrong with being a fire fighter, they're the brave ones who walk in when everyone else is running out. Ben Franklin was quite the dandy as well and he had an interesting myriad of things.
If you believe that terror acts are only committed in areas of TX, surprise, they happen everywhere across our fruited plain.
Again, there was nothing to get out of my system. It's just telling that you choose to bring in the few idiots (I believe 99.9% of us terrible conservatives would agree they're idiots) who do stupid things and think that we condone such stupid actions.
OK I admit it, I put that o
January 17, 2007 - 01:06 ET by james789OK I admit it, I put that out as a trap and several people took the bait. The thing that most people miss in todays world of 7 billion people is that there are a very small number of people who would be described as wacko's, and they afflict all religions. The people I could use here as an example are Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist church, hey wait a minute, Jimmy Carter is a Baptist, maybe that explains his new book.
Democracy must be established by force, and only America can do it.
Shi'ite cleric, Iyad Jamal Al-Dinm
You fell into your own trap.
January 17, 2007 - 01:22 ET by danboYou fell into your own trap. Though you were able to identify with and accept the fact that certain christians were able to be terrorist. You seem to be unable to accept that a group other than White Anglo Saxon Prortestant can also be terrorist.
Is there prejudice here?
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
-- Joseph Stalin
Your links didn't show that t
January 17, 2007 - 01:54 ET by mastersofdeceitYour links didn't show that they were acting out for or in the name of Christianity. That was quite a list they compiled but I notice multiple attacks attributed to the same people. It's irrelevant that there's 7 billion people in the world. It only takes a few to cause havoc. The "tiny minority of extremists" doesn't wash. Do extremists need to be watched? Of course, and I don't care if it's John Lindh or 80 year old white grandmothers from the outer Hebrides. But let's try to pay attention to who is agitating the most now, today.
It wouldn't suprise me at all if there was a home grown white american involved in a terrorist attack on america. Guess what religion he will follow? Tell you what, when you can show me a Christian that has written this extensively that justified their intent to kill quoting from the bible, well I really wouldn't care. Maybe you could give jihad watch some competition. Start up a site called "Evangelical Watch" or somesuch, and post 3 or 4 examples a day of christians calling for christianity to dominate. Of course you'll have to start the sister site called "Christianity Submission Watch" which follows how christianity is getting catered to and given all sorts of concessions worldwide. Of course you will be very bored and these sites hardly updated.
Well Mr. Know It All, it pr
January 17, 2007 - 02:06 ET by terrigWell Mr. Know It All, it probably never occurred to you that one of the people you would spar with also had a child with Down Syndrome. It's funny, these people who come here to do their little faux psychological experiments. You can say I took the bait all day long if it would make you feel better about yourself. I have a serious problem with people who like to fancy themselves mini-shrinks. I also have a problem with people who claim to be more pro-life then the President, yet have no backing for that on their profile unless you added something in the last hour while I was watching NCIS with Mary Catherine (must keep up the routine of doing that as she and her Daddy who is still in Iraq have done that ever since that show came on). Again, you may say myself and others took your "bait". Hope it makes you sleep better tonight.
there are Shi'ite clerics in
January 17, 2007 - 10:54 ET by pbanks7there are Shi'ite clerics in the world who believe that America is doing the right thing in Iraq.
It's too bad they don't get any press, even on this site.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Its scary you do not unders
January 16, 2007 - 23:30 ET by JPninerIts scary you do not understand the differences between domestic and international terrorism. The implications and aims, paticularly of Islamic Jihad.
as for OK City, its not absolute that it was Domestic. See this book, "The Third Terrorist" by Jayna Davis
http://jaynadavis.co...
Is that the book with the s
January 16, 2007 - 23:32 ET by terrigIs that the book with the supposed link to Padilla?
I forget, been awhile since
January 16, 2007 - 23:57 ET by JPninerI forget, been awhile since I read up on it. I remember that there was a third unidentified terrorist at Ok. City that was described as arab. The Govt. never tried to find out who it was, and I think the theory and there is some evidence of this is McVeigh met him in first Gulf War, some connection there. anyway, lot of stuff on that site and when the media use to report on it.
since I've heard on Radio, former CIA Analyst claim they think eventually Saddam will be found to be at the end of the first WTC bombing, Ok. City and 9/11. the links to the first WTC are obvious.
watch the O'reilly factor s
January 17, 2007 - 00:06 ET by JPninerwatch the O'reilly factor segment with Jayna Davis on this linked on her site, interesting stuff. http://jaynadavis.com/media/interview.wmv
looks like she has an updated version of book out.
Domestic terrorism
January 17, 2007 - 11:15 ET by pbanks7I read a book that said the operation was infiltrated by an intelligence asset, but it was bungled. I also read (much more credible):
In The Secret Life of Bill Clinton, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, former Washington Bureau Chief for The Daily Telegraph (London) completes two years of investigating and searching for the truth about the Oklahoma City bombing. He says federal investigators ignored important evidence that could have prevented the bombing, or led to the immediate apprehension of all of Timothy McVeigh's co-conspirators. Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
Robert Novak, The Washington Post, said Evans-Pritchard "was known in Washington for accuracy, industry and courage. He has offered leads to discovering a pattern of lies and deception after Oklahoma City that, if verfied, would approach Vietnam and Watergate in undermining American citizens' confidence in their government."
Of all the people to defend...
January 16, 2007 - 23:37 ET by acumenTrying real hard to follow your feeling process here james666 - So the priority life issue for you is defending the few people that put bread on their table killing innocent people as opposed to defending the millions of innocents these few kill just because......
Clue for you james666 - Conservatives neither approve of killing abortionists or the unborn. Can you make the same claim? I didn't think so. Forgive the interruption but now that I have your attention.....please continue to elucidate your moral superiority for the class.
He can't because he ran awa
January 16, 2007 - 23:42 ET by terrigHe can't because he ran away after he left his stink bomb. I guess he thinks that because there are a few whacko Christians out there who do this stuff, he thinks we all do it or want to say "atta boy" when they do. I cannot fathom why life is so cheap to people like James. An innocent child has done nothing to deserve the death penalty.
Bummer Terri
January 17, 2007 - 00:03 ET by acumenBummer Terri. Even though james666 appears to suffer from the dreaded stereotypying agenda-vision I was hoping he would expound on the enviro-whackos that bomb anything they don't like from ski resorts to lumber mills. I certainly would have......
A side thought - I wonder how many of those supposed anthrax-threatening letters came from women that went through with their abortion, suffer from post-abortion syndrome causing deep emotional scars and wish to retaliate by taking their anger out on the abortion mills that killed their baby? Couldn't find any stats from james666 concerning that very plausible scenario. If we could only understand why these people hate abortionists then maybe we could all get along peacefully........
the enviro-whackos that bomb
January 17, 2007 - 11:22 ET by pbanks7the enviro-whackos that bomb anything they don't like from ski resorts to lumber mills.
My favorite is the incident where environmentalists raided the mink farm and released all the mink, only to have them turn on each other and die a more horrible death than they were fated for. It seems that mink don't get along, but as usual, liberals don't think things through to their logical conclusion.
Ignorance is bliss. It's easier to repeat a mindless slogan than to do some actual research.
He falls into the trap that a
January 17, 2007 - 00:47 ET by danboHe falls into the trap that all conservatives are christian. I'm an athiest.
Though like the majority think it're wrong to kill abortionist.
To compare the threats of the abortion clinics to the deaths of 3000 whose only crime was going to work and being American. Is plain silly. Amd a wierd perspective.
"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything."
-- Joseph Stalin
LOL!!! Hmm, by your own count
January 17, 2007 - 00:19 ET by Del DolemonteLOL!!!
Hmm, by your own count, since Chimpy McHitler took office 6 years ago, there have been only 10 arsons and one bombing of abortion clinics, as opposed to two hundred such incidents over 3 decades. 200 incidents over 30 years equals 6.67 incidents per year. On Bush's watch, the number is 50% lower.
That pales with 9/11, when 3,000 or so truly innocent civilians were murdered over a 2 or 3 hour period. Their fate was determined by their going to work or getting on a plane. Have you ever heard of all of the elementary school kids who got on those planes to go to a National Geographic Society convention? What "crime" did they deserve to die for?
As for the OK City bombing, that happened on Clinton's watch, so it's all his fault, right? Right?
I didn't blame anybody alth
January 17, 2007 - 00:34 ET by james789I didn't blame anybody although I believe the reason the numbers dropped as quickly as they did when they did was because Attorney General Ashcroft let it be known that in the eyes of the Justice department, terrorism would be looked at the same, no matter who the victim was.
As to why I posted abortion clinic violence, that is a subject that really draws attention, and I was hoping that the people here would be open to honest debate and exchange of information instead of resorting to immature name calling but it looks like I was wrong.
Democracy must be established by force, and only America can do it.
Shi'ite cleric, Iyad Jamal Al-Dinm
James,You mentioned that th
January 17, 2007 - 01:33 ET by JerryJames,
You mentioned that there had been 10 arsons and 1 bombing of abortion clinics. You failed to mention how many deaths resulted from this "domestic terrorism". Could it be because the anti-abortion activists target the buildings, not the people. Just as the enviromentalists destroy automobiles and logging equipment. Just as the anti-Christians burn churches. This "domestic terrorism" targets inanimate objects, unlike the islamofacists who blow up as many innocent people as they possibly can.
This is REAL terrorism. Purposely trying to kill as many innocent women and children as possible. Claiming that allah will reward you in heaven with 72 virgins if you blow innocent people to bits. Surely you aren't trying to equate the two.
You say you seek honest debate on abortion clinic violence. Enviromentalists feel that their "babies" are being destroyed (the trees). Anti-abortionists feel their "babies" are being destroyed (real babies). Which would be more justified, the destruction of an abortion clinic where babies are slaughtered, or the destruction of a sawmill, where trees are made into lumber? And no, I don't advocate nor condone blowing up abortion clinics.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Ok, how about Eric Rudolph,
January 17, 2007 - 04:07 ET by james789You are using a straw man argument in your posting here same as many other people. Go back and read every one of my postings here and you will not find anywhere I seek an honest debate on abortion clinic bombings, no where, what I was seeking here was open and honest debate on terror bombings that have occurred in America, I used abortion clinics because I wanted something that many people feel strongly about and the numbers were larger than I thought they would be.
Ok, how about Eric Rudolph, Catholic, went after gay night clubs, abortion clinics, killed one lady in Atlanta who only wanted to see the US basketball team, wounded over 100 other people in that blast and then said it was a political statement, don't those people count, then to get away from abortion clinic bombings, how about Theodore Kaczynski, not sure of his faith, he may not have killed or wounded many people 3 killed and 23 wounded over 18 years, but again these are two more Americans committing acts of terrorism. I'll mention OK City again, 168 dead, 800 wounded.
Again I am not trying in any way to compare or condone, I'm just trying to point out that most terrorist acts committed within the fifty state boundaries of our country have been committed by Americans against Americans, some Christian, some not.
Regardless of your faith or beliefs, shouldn't all terrorist acts be condemned with the same passion, or have we gotten to the point that only large numbers of deaths per terror act matter? If so, maybe this isn't the America it used to be.
Democracy must be established by force, and only America can do it.
Shi'ite cleric, Iyad Jamal Al-Dinm
Hey, james789, are you still posting? If so, let me know.
January 17, 2007 - 05:25 ET by acaiguanaHey, james789, are you still posting? If so, let me know.
'cause I got something to say to you.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
ACA,Well, post it. I'd be int
January 17, 2007 - 05:35 ET by Indiana JoeACA,
Well, post it. I'd be interested in reading it. He doesn't appear to be signed on now, but james will probably be back to look for replies to his latest post. That's what I do.
IJ
Hi IJ
January 17, 2007 - 05:52 ET by acaiguanaHi IJ
Naw, I just was going to ask him if being so clever about Tim McVie was the maximum Christian bashing he could figure out.
This seems to be the bedrock of Liberal criticism of Terrorism.
I am not totally sure, but I think the bombings of abortion clinics have all been condemmed by even the most vile of Christians, Billy Graham; etc.
Not being a Christian myself, I thought Oklahoma (and I am familiar with the building that was bombed) was a nut case issue. I don't know and haven't seen any valid evidence that McVie was tied to Muslims, it wouldn't surprise me.
That whole thing was botched. They were so concerned with 'backgrounding' Waco; that whole thread was never covered or pursued.
But what I was going to say to our clever friend is this:
"Hey, Dude, Terrorism is Terrorism - inbred or outbred - How can you use one form to excuse Liberal support of another?"
Pretty much.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
ACA,I've been following this
January 17, 2007 - 06:26 ET by Indiana JoeACA,
I've been following this thread, from the sidelines as it were, since yesterday. James seems to be saying that we shouldn't concentrate on Muslim terrorism when there's more domestic terrorism, by number of incidents. I see SOME validity to this, but not much. A number of things make it a "straw man argument," to use his own term.
First, it's been awhile since any of these incidents he cites occurred. Islamo-terrorism is a near-daily event, world-wide. Secondly, and as pointed out several times in this thread, most of those home-bred acts have been property crimes, not targeting killing people. Lastly, and most importantly, and again as pointed out many times here, the Christian community hasn't rallied behind these acts, approving and embracing them. A large number of Muslims have spoken out in favor of Islamic terrorism, encouraging and justifying it. AND using it to attempt to overthrow whole govenments, not just effect a few "policy changes."
Those are some of the major differences between the two groupings of "terrorist acts." And why the Islamic threat is much more serious, IMO. My two cents, for what it's worth.
Regards,
IJ
I'm ag'in Terrorism. -) ACA
January 17, 2007 - 11:09 ET by acaiguanaI'm ag'in Terrorism. -) ACA
And I'm ag'in them who try to drag homegrown Terrorism into a discussion to excuse Muslim Terrorise; especially when Muslim Terrorism is organized and supported by a Religion and that Religion's leaders and by governments and those government's leaders.
So, it ain't no stinking stew; it's hash.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
I condemn violence against
January 17, 2007 - 06:41 ET by Jack BauerI condemn violence against all people simply going about their lawful business.
Now we have your strawman argument out of the way I'd like to know what precisely is your point?
And please, do try to get over the fact that you're not talking to folks who just got off the banana boat here.
If your argument isn't to
"to compare or condone, I'm just trying to point out that most terrorist acts committed within the fifty state boundaries of our country have been committed by Americans"
Then what the hell is your point. No -- that's EXACTLY what you're trying to do.
Your whole contention that most "terrorist" acts are perpertrated by Americans is a bogus, specious argument.
The rare attacks on abortion clinics are criminal acts and have all been investigated as such.
And as another matter of fact, it looks like more Baptist Churches have been arson attacked over the past couple of years than abortion clinics over the past 50 years.
And as I haven't heard you condemn these (by your definition) "terrorist" attacks it must mean you support them. That seems to be your "point" here, right? Some boring tedious comparison between criminal acts against abortion clinics, and a global, murderous Islamo-fascist movement
Because a bunch of conservatives here don't spend any time anguishing over attacks on abortion clinics and comparing them to al-Qaeda , it's they that have a problem, and not an odd person like you.
It's sounds to me that you have adopted the Rosie O'Donnell position: that so-called "fundamental" Christians are a greater threat to the security of the United States than islamo-fascism.
Please tell me you don't adopt this exterme left-wing hatered of all things Christian.
how about Theodore Kaczynski, not sure of his faith...
Well, seeing you don't know, I'll inform you: he was a LEFT-WING NUT. That was his faith, okay?
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Geez, Jack, I thought Kaczynski (hard name to type) was a...
January 17, 2007 - 11:24 ET by acaiguanaGeez, Jack, I thought Kaczynski (hard name to type) was a...
neo-Luddite?
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
aca -- Well "General&q
January 17, 2007 - 11:32 ET by Jack Baueraca -- Well "General" Ned Ludd was a proto-communist.
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Jack, I'm betting you'll en
January 17, 2007 - 11:28 ET by sarcasmoJack, I'm betting you'll enjoy this...
JMR
Ha-- hilarious. Proud membe
January 17, 2007 - 11:36 ET by Jack BauerHa-- hilarious.
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I got 67%, but each answer
January 17, 2007 - 11:40 ET by sarcasmoI got 67%, but each answer felt like a guess...
JMR
You did better than me. 33%
January 17, 2007 - 12:11 ET by Jack BauerYou did better than me. 33%.
But like you I was just guessing as they all could have been said by the same person.
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I scored a 42%. Not sure if
January 17, 2007 - 11:40 ET by MightyMouthI scored a 42%. Not sure if that reflects something about me, or Albore...
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Gosh - I got 58%. I thought I flunked.
January 17, 2007 - 11:50 ET by acaiguanaGosh - I got 58%. I thought I flunked.
Some of the questions were obvious, like number 10, where increasing taxes was mentioned as something bad.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
I am just disappointed I ca
January 17, 2007 - 12:01 ET by MightyMouthI am just disappointed I can't tell the difference between Democratic liberal talking points and a tree-hugging-socialistic-whacko-nutjob like Ted Kaczynski.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Naw, Mouth, the problem is when these people think they think.
January 17, 2007 - 12:11 ET by acaiguanaNaw, Mouth, the problem is when these people think they think.
Here's how it goes. (I disclaim that I am a. psychotic or b. a bomber.)
1. Humans mindlessly run around and do stuff to survive.
2. Other species and other humans don't keep up or are intrinsically taken advantage of by more clever humans.
3. Tools suck. Unless they are made of stone of course, but even that can deface a pretty rock.
4. Loop to #1.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
I got 42%..which amazes and f
January 17, 2007 - 12:06 ET by The Real TonyI got 42%..which amazes and frightens me...either I need to pay more attention or we need to lock up Al Gore!!
Fight Terrorism at home - defeat a liberal!
Damn. This means I'm the ch
January 17, 2007 - 12:13 ET by sarcasmoDamn. This means I'm the champ so-far just by guessing my way to a 67??!? Balboa! Please come save me! Try the above quiz!! ;)
JMR
I got 50%
January 17, 2007 - 12:20 ET by misterbillI got 50% but that's because I cannot distinguish, (via psychological testing ) between someone who is insane and someone who is criminally insane.
Take this test--in my statement above who is which??? Not easy is it???
Gore ??? Unabomber???
I got a 50%. The real questio
January 17, 2007 - 16:03 ET by Eric TurnerI got a 50%. The real question is were the two separated at birth? Coincidence that they think so much alike? I don't think soooooo.
the Newsbuster groupie formerly known as "armyvet"
James789, next time you talk
January 17, 2007 - 15:51 ET by futbolisgreatJames789, next time you talk about terrorism and use abortion clinic bombings as an example, why don't you try to use the same argument about terrorism in America, but instead use these statistics......
http://prochoiceviolence.com/
it is just interesting that individuals like you would try to make any type of argument about terrorism in America and cite only whacked out supposed pro-lifers that use terrorism to get their point accross.
As you said, if you are gonig to condemn terrorism condemn it ALL not just bombs at abortion clinics. It is obvious that you are doing what you claim others are doing, condeming only some terrorism and not all of it.
"...disgusting, unAmerican draft-dodger..." Liberal Zapata/Tom talking about draft-dodgers. Thus asserting what we have always known about Slicky Willie Clinton
Abortion clinic bombings, whi
January 17, 2007 - 08:18 ET by fosstenAbortion clinic bombings, while distasteful and illegal, are simply acts of people fighting for the lives of those who cannot fight for themselves.
On one hand, you condone murder of the unborn, but then you decry the defense of that murder, protesting the deaths of those who would commit that murder. That is hypocritical.
There is one simple way to end all abortion clinic bombings: End all abortion clinics.
Kudos to NB for getting under
January 16, 2007 - 23:08 ET by rimskyKudos to NB for getting under Olbie's skin.
I agree kudos...America is be
January 16, 2007 - 23:28 ET by USA4freedomI agree kudos...
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
I am glad that Newsbusters is
January 16, 2007 - 23:45 ET by Roger the ShrubberI am glad that Newsbusters is making poor old Keefy all warm and fuzzy. I would hazard to guess that he comes here on occasion to see what we say about him: ego is ego, after all. Hell, I hope he posts here. We would never know, with some of the "cream" of the progressive crop that shows up here.
I guess it is hard to find five items each day big enough for Keefy to sport wood over, and Lord knows good writers must be hard to retain on the kind of salary MSNBC pays, so cut him some slack for that last line, absurd as may have sounded...
Short sweet and to the point.
January 16, 2007 - 23:52 ET by Clear thinkerShort sweet and to the point.......... K.O. is a loser in every way possible.
Geeeesh, I wonder what his kids think of him?
LOL, if you want to see what
January 17, 2007 - 00:21 ET by Del DolemonteLOL, if you want to see what his kids think of him, go here:
www.truthout.org
The usual length for the st
January 17, 2007 - 00:00 ET by gueinThe usual length for the standard network sit-com is a half hour. Obie has managed to stretch that into a full hour.
This dolts attempt at deceit
January 17, 2007 - 00:09 ET by replayThis dolts attempt at deceit is elementary at best. He wears panties for sure.
The latest abysmal ratings (s
January 17, 2007 - 01:15 ET by TEThe latest abysmal ratings (still FOURTH place out of FIVE) for Odormoronn's gameshow Meltdown:
January 12, 2007
8PM - P2+ (25-54)
O’Reilly Factor – 2,407,000 viewers (469,000)
Paula Zahn– 798,000 viewers (259,000)
Fast Money – 183,000 viewers (a scratch with 17,000)
Nancy Grace – 924,000 viewers (416,000)
Meltdown w/ Odormoronn - 556,000 viewers (192,000)
“Incomprehensibly, Olberman
January 17, 2007 - 01:30 ET by JPR1“Incomprehensibly, Olberman complained…”
You nailed it there Mark. That phrase shines like new chrome.
Terror
January 17, 2007 - 02:14 ET by rbosqueThose MSM people are vain self-absorbed swine. I bet they'll remember if and when those Muslims hit a newsbuilding.
24 as propaganda?
January 17, 2007 - 04:13 ET by UnsaneI am curious how this show can be considered "propaganda", and what the aim of said "propaganda" is. I say it is a television show, nothing more, nothing less.
Nuclear terrorism is not the newest theme in fiction. Were other tales of nuclear terrorism (like the NOVEL The Sum of All Fears) propaganda also?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
unsane -- don't forget The
January 17, 2007 - 05:58 ET by Jack Bauerunsane -- don't forget The Sum of All Fears MOVIE was "good" propaganda.
Because the "terrorists" were white neo-Nazi militia types! Them bad!
In fact, the producers changed Tom Clancy's villains from Muslim terrorists they originally were in his novel.
Because, as we know, the biggest threat to the USA is not the global ideology of islamo-fascism with millions of true believers, but a few guys camped out in Montana.
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If we don't defeat Islamofasc
January 17, 2007 - 08:44 ET by fosstenIf we don't defeat Islamofascism soon, we're all going to be living in camps in Montana.
Anybody got their address?