Fox & Friends Exposes More On NBC's Liberal Bias

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Monday’s Fox and Friends First stated the obvious: NBC is a liberal network. Fox News elaborated on the recent controversy, most notably between FNC’s Bill O’Reilly and several MSNBC commentators.

As some major figures at NBC denied there is any bias, co-host Brian Kilmeade asked the question "why don’t they just say they’re a liberal network?" Good question. Even far left MSNBC commentator Keith Olbermann denies he has a political agenda.

The co-hosts then played a clip of Chris Matthews stating Vice President Cheney "always wants to kill." At the end of the segment Kilmeade read one of Olbermann’s many inflammatory comments, without mentioning the MSNBC commentator’s name, that President Bush is taking the money "out of the pockets of dead soldiers in the battlefield."

The entire transcript is below.

Brian Kilmeade: "What I don't understand is, as a network, when you go off the reservation, off the chart so to speak and you have a certain ideology, like for example-"

Steve Doocy: "Who are you talking about?"

Kilmeade: "Well, if you're talking about NBC, if you watch it, if you flipping around, if you're not able to get Fox News, you wonder yourself: Wait a second why don't they just say they're a liberal network? Why don't they just come out and say it? For example, if you have election coverage, and you have commentators on, both from the Democratic party, both saying how great this is that the House and Senate now belongs (sic) to the Democrats, is that the analysis that that you usually-

Kiran Chetry: "What? Why are you laughing?"

Kilmeade: "Is that analysis that you usually get on Election Day?"

Doocy: "That is- funny picture. Well, let's think about this, look at Chris Matthews: Does he have a dog- does he lean one way or the other? Well, he did work for Tip O'Neill."

Kilmeade: "Right"

Doocy: "A Democrat in the House."

Kilmeade: "Well, he was a Democrat right?"

Doocy: "Yeah and then you've got, also you have Tim Russert. He worked for Mario Cuomo."

Kilmeade: "Right"

Doocy: "Democrat as well, so-"

Chetry: "Well, what really has people steamed, and we got a lot of e-mails about this yesterday, was the comments that Chris Matthews made when he called into Imus in the Morning, a little bit of a more laid back environment there. And he was giving his take certainly on what he, how he views the administration. Let's listen to what he said."

Chris Matthews: "And they're working through Cheney, of course, who always wants to kill, and they drag us back into that same mentality of 'we're looking for any reason to strike.' And I think that's the way it is towards Iran right now."

Doocy: "Well, there you go. You heard Chris Matthews right there-"

Kilmeade: "Looking to kill."

Doocy: "Yeah. Cheney loves to kill. You know what? Bill O'Reilly, for the last ten years, has been exposing media bias and Bernie Goldberg did the same thing with, with his book as well and-"

Kilmeade: "Especially with CBS where he experienced firsthand."

Doocy: "Absolutely, and so what is going on? Bill O'Reilly, over the last couple of weeks has been just talking about how NBC has gone sharply to the left, that they are an activist network. Irena Brigante, who is one of the spokes people here at the Fox News Channel, was called for a comment and she said, 'Bill O'Reilly has exposed media bias for the last ten years. This is nothing new. We don't know why NBC finds the label, "liberal" so insulting.' Is NBC a liberal outlet?"

Kilmeade: "Well, how about this? How weird was it that I read, and the day, out of nowhere NBC has decided to call Iraq a civil war?"

Doocy: "That's right."

Kilmeade: "And they decide as a network, it is a civil war in Iraq. What, if that isn't an activist move and they want to get publicity on it. They had publicists calling other, other outfits calling the AP saying 'NBC calls this a civil war.' Who cares what NBC calls that?"

Chetry: "They also believe on of the, one of the, the universities did a poll and they sort of analyzed positive versus negative coverage, and I believe that out of the three networks, NBC had the most negative coverage of the president in the current administration out of, out of the three when it came to their nightly news programs. They actually broke it down to minutes-"

Doocy: "I remember that and, and mentions and stuff like that. It was very thorough. So why don't you e-mail us? Do you think they're a liberal outfit or are they fair and balanced? Do they cover both sides? E-mail us, friends@foxnews.com."

Kilmeade: "And here's a quote, not to sway the public because we are fair and balanced, but here's a quote from one commentator: 'the president, his goal is to take money out of every American's pockets, even out of the pockets of dead soldiers in the battlefield.' OK."

Chetry: "Who said that?"

Kilmeade: "I rather not give a name."

Chetry: "But you're saying someone at NBC said that?"

Kilmeade: "At NBC said that. It's easy, easy to look up."

Say, could that be Keith Olbermann, January 2? Yes, it could.


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I agree with all of this. How

I agree with all of this. However, I think it's important to differentiate the liberal bias that pervades the news reports - subtle or otherwise - and the liberal bile that spews forth from some of the hosts and commentators on MSNBC. I think there's a difference - the entrenched bias in the news reports being the more harmful of the two - because it masquerades as straight reporting.

The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.

- Arabian Proverb

Bias

Olbermann, Matthews, Russert, Lauer, et al. have a liberal bias? And they use it to bash conservatives, both covertly and overtly? But they say they don't. And they're such honorable people. Oh my God, you've got to be kidding. Well, you learn something new every day. Oh, my goodness.

NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal

Yeah, and you thought you h

Yeah, and you thought you had seen it all! :-)

"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...

Shocked

Yeah, I'm in shock!

NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal

If I were NBC/MSNBC respondin

If I were NBC/MSNBC responding to charges of liberal bias, I'm not sure I would want one Keith Olbermann as my front man (or in any other position) out there answering the allegations. Not good.

On the other hand, the way MSNBC has been run these past years, maybe that, from their point of view, makes sense.

A pretend news channel run by pretend news journalists.

The problem is that they re

The problem is that they really don't believe they're liberal. They think everyone thinks their way. They only associate with other upper east side of Manhattanites. That's their whole world.

We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States.

Ann Coulter

To be sure

Hypocrisy is the liberal trademark. There is even a book about that aspect. This is what galls conservatives... and the liberals are madder than ever because...you won't guess my view:

They now have Congress and about $90 billion government-growing/ socialism-expanding/ vote-buying/ power-over-people
/create dependency dollars are being "wasted" overseas when the votes are here. Sounds crazy? ...  Think about it.

Well, we all know who is goin

Well, we all know who is going to be the "Worst Person of the Day"....

This is NOT news folks. They'

This is NOT news folks. They've been and always been left-leaning "journalists". The way they format their questioning and how the "news" comes out, its always against the administration and traditional newscasting. David Gregory knows exactly what I'm talking about. All they need to do is cover the news and not offer any opinion. Let us analyze the news ourselves. I've watch the Andrea Mitchell interview with Bill O, she look so pathetic and can't even name a single conservative in their network. So, this is not news!

More on Fox

Also, note how Fox politely points out NBCs Leftist tendencies.  How does the Left in general respond to Fox?  Why, demand they get off the air, of course.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???"  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

But they have to offer opinio

But they have to offer opinion.  All of us are too stupid to analyze the news ourselves! They are the smart ones don't forget that.

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Slim News networks

Yea, can you imagine how great it would be in our nation and the world today if the media actually delivered the news without twisting it and corrupting it? There would be all Republican and Conservatives in the House, Senate and the White house all of the time.

The Democrat party would be vaporized by the truth...

Oh we can only dream.........

MAV-------

MAV-------Oh you wonderful dreamer you. It is not to be.

Are These Rhetorical Questions From Fox News?

I love how Fox News exposes liberal bias. Perhaps, the American public will get (or buy a clue with their tax cuts) and switch off the MSM. Some new liberal trolls on Newsbusters have said Fox News has made it a habit of asking slanted, rhetorical questions of the MSM (gee, but let's not question how the MSM poses their questions). I want the liberal trolls that haven't been booted yet to answer me this: now that Fox and Friends have put on the air DIRECT, FROM THEIR OWN MOUTHS, MSM talking points that are insane and garbage, is Fox still slanting their coverage of the MSM? Cheney wants to kill and Pres. Bush wants to take money from everyone including dead servicemen? Is Fox News making that up? I say air more of this so America can trully see what the hell they've done, voting in the enemy into government. Maybe it will do some good. One can only hope.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

Hey, emjem24, check your private mailbox.

Hey, emjem24, check your private mailbox.

ACA

...

Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

MSNBC Exposes Fox News Channe

MSNBC Exposes Fox News Channel as "Conservative"

Suppose you saw a headline like this?  Would you claim it's not true? Fox is anything but fair and balanced.  Maybe that comes as news to some of you, but if you think your getting unbiased news from Fox your more deluded than I thought.  Is Keith Olbermann a liberal? Of course.  Are Hannity and O'Reilly conservative?  You see what I mean?  I'm not going to sit around and deride Sean Hannity for his opinions, because that's who he is and that's what his job is, the same as Olbermann.  Be happy we can all say what we want without worrying about someone kicking down our doors.

blarsen....Anything which was

blarsen....

Anything which was associated with your name....I'd have to give a big BS tag.

Too bad, so sad...TROLL.

An opinion piece

Isn't it funny that in order to prove that Fox News is not fair and balanced, you cited 1) an OPINION show hosted by TWO COMMENTATORS, and 2) an opinion show hosted by a Rightist (Hannity) and a Leftist (Colmes)? 

blarsen, why this overwhelming, intense, palpable FEAR of one, tiny, insignificant news channel that MIGHT reach 3 million viewers (1% of the U.S. population) on a busy news day?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

It's very interesting how thi

It's very interesting how things on these boards are read and interpreted.  My point is you walk your side of the street-- and I walk mine.  I'll probably never win you over and I know you won't win me over. If I asked you to give me one source of unbiased news and you said "Fox" you aren't in any position to make a judgement of bias in the media. I'd say NBC is fairly unbiased news even though Brian Williams admits he's a conservative. Maybe you don't--fine.There are tens of thousands of news sources that can be accessed any minute of the day.  Pick a few that you like and form your own opinions.  Too many people are listening to commentators thinking its news.  Rush Limbaugh is guilty of encouraging people to only listen to him for their news and unfortunately too many people do. I know, because I work with people who parrot everything he says, even when it's wrong, which is a good portion of the time.

Now that your favorite drive-

Now that your favorite drive-by-media has been exposed, it's going to get a beating and soon you'll notice they're gone- bunkrupt like your favorite talk radio, air America!

blarsen....So what, exactly,

blarsen....

So what, exactly, is your point?

Other than to annoy people here?

I have multiple sources of news...so what, exactly, is your point?  Other than you think everyone here is a FOX news subscriber?

Again, why are you here?  Other than to annoy with your inane statements?

If I asked you to give me one

If I asked you to give me one source of unbiased news and you said "NBC" you aren't in any position to make a judgment of bias in the media.  Just watch the ostensibly objective Meet The Depressed, which may have ONE conservative against a Leftist Tim Russert and a gang of 3-4 Leftist media types.  I for one would LOVE to see where Brian Williams said he was a conservative...he is probably a conservative by your standards, considering your socialist tendencies. 

Rush Limbaugh is guilty of nothing.  He is a commentator and makes no bones about being one.  Commentators by nature have biases.  Sounds to me like you have a very hard time accepting that fact. 

For the record, I barely follow American media, because it does not give me the world view I desire/need.  I watch CBC whenever I can, and read a very biased British publication called The Economist (whose biases I may or may not agree with but since they are very up front about them I can respect them) so that I may get a glimpse at what is happening far beyond the borders of the United States. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Notice the drive-by "cut

Notice the drive-by "cut & run" post.

Sheesh.

He has to.  He'll get pummel

He has to.  He'll get pummeled if he stays in one place for too long.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Blarsen What IS Your Point?

Blarsen, you're more deluded than we thought you were when you think Odd Man Out cares anything about this country. Where is your proof that O'Reilly is conservative (simply because he wants to give the president a chance on Iraq)? If you've ever watched his show (which I'm sure you haven't) he has repeatedly said he's an independent. BTW, I'm glad that Fox News is CONSERVATIVE. However, it is still FAIR AND BALANCED because it also uses liberal commentators as well. The MSM using token RINOS doesn't even come close to fair and blanced. I'm sure all your comrades are planning for the day when YOUR doors will be kicked down when the government finds you've been hiding terrorists and are terrorist sympathizers. The difference between Hannity and Odd Man Out is the following: Sean Hannity is a good person, he's not self-deluded nor does he pretend he's anything greater than who he is. He also doesn't throw out the "I care about the military" nugget every five seconds like Odd Man Out to make himself seem relevant. Odd Man Out isn't even a qualified journalist but a, wait for it, sportscaster. Why not also point that out, blarsen? How does a sportscaster now suddenly become qualifed to speak on any issue other than SPORTS? Now with Brian Kilmeade of Fox and Friends, I take his words with a grain of salt because he's a sportscaster. His take is just an opinion like Odd Man Out's. Both sides are opinionated but here's the underlying difference: who wants to see the military and the US win the Iraq War and the WOT, blarsen? Who? The MSM or media like Fox News who have reported more positive stories about the military in a week than the MSM have ever reported in a year. How do you explain that, blarsen? How?

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

Didn't 'Dutch' Reagan start o

Didn't 'Dutch' Reagan start out as a sportscaster?  Besides, I take the words of carpenters, welders, electricians and longshoremen all the time.  Most of their opinions hold a lot more weight than anyone in the media.  Your point about reporting the good things that happen and winning the war is oversimplified.  If Fox is reporting us building schools and restoring power--hey, great, I'm all for it.  After all, isn't it the least we can do for them for all their countrymen we've killed who weren't terrorists? But don't, for a minute think reporting 'good' news is going to win this war. 

Nice there, little TROLL.

Nice there, little TROLL.

Any guesses which thread the little instigator will hop to next....to drop another little turd of "wisdom"?

Hey Blonde-- I don't think I'

Hey Blonde-- I don't think I've ever read one of your original thoughts.  You make little one or two sentence remarks that generally say absolutely nothing,  which is what most of the people on these boards seem to do.  Everyone  thinks they're so original and insightful when in reality all your doing  is goosing each other, then running off and giggling like a bunch of little girls. 

Oh my....that really put me i

Oh my....that really put me in my place, blarsen.

Of course you haven't read any of my orignal thoughts....that would require reading comprehension skills.  Silly troll.

A hint....try to read between the lines.

You are such an obtuse little troll.

*Yawn*

Pot, meet kettle

As if you are the paragon of creativity and original thinking. 

Pot, meet kettle.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

the secret of blonde

Blarsen, Over a few posts I' ve had cause to answer you unkindly. Nothing personal; you just have a few views conflicting with the truth; and this is what I pick up on.

You're right, however, to question the actual thinking capacity of our little "Blonde"-- who is likely more bottle blonde than we know. So what? many nice girls hide that secret. What Blonde can't hide is her banality in this form of discussion. Depth is something foreign to her; you'll never have to dig deep. As soon as you scrape a bit, you see hatred. Pride. Pretense.

To expect her to say anything of substance is wishful thinking. That doesn't keep her from shooting for the moon. But she's never hit anything here. YES; Blonde is good at disparaging others and nobody is safe. Just thought you shoould know this. Her forte is hate speech.

Thank you ever so much,MR. IL

Thank you ever so much,

MR. ILLEGAL ALIEN APOLOGIST.

And after today....

MR. APOLOGIST FOR ALL DEATH ROW INMATES.

What a guy......our Tumbler.

Who befriends each and every troll.....the only one's here who will deign to respond to his insipid posts.

blonde--I made a fatal mistake....

blonde--I made a fatal mistake....I was on my way to bed and I decided to check out NB for a last peek. I saw this thread and now I am hooked. You seem to have stirred the feathers of one of our new haters (blarsen), who now has an ally in our major apologist. What is this thing called love?? How do you do it?? The color of your hair, short of your tag should not be of any relevance to any difference of opinion. And, of course, the last ad hominem attack by the person who alleges to detest that kind of thing and then becomes the worst offender is of humor to me. I know you can kick both their butts with one hand tied....You know the rest of that old saw, so enough from me and on to your battle with the trolls!!! Good Luck!

misterbill,I haven't a clue..

misterbill,

I haven't a clue....I just couldn't tolerate blarsens' "bs"....

and of course, our illegal alien apologist (and did you read the threads today...he's also an apologist for the death row scum buckets now) just had to jump in with his two stupid feet.

What can I say?

For the most part, I attract the class of this board (like you!).....

However....the trolls seem equally entranced.  What can I say?

Sweet dreams, Mr Bill. 

Catch you on the flip side!

biondo - buono notte bella signora

biondo - buono notte bella signora.

Blonde-- Good night fair lady and don't let the trolls bite!

mrbill....You had me at hello

mrbill....

You had me at hello!

And goodnite, kind sir.

somehow you seem forced

It's clear you feel forced to defend the pseudo blonde, missbill.

Such a gentleman. Now you're referring to somebody here as a new "HATER"--? coming from the little shrunken soul who hates with a passion, that's funny. If I could trade your hatred for cash I'd be financially independent for life.

If I traded Blonde's little snide remarks for cash, I wouldn't get five cents. This is what I wanted to tell Blarsen. Don't expect substance from Blonde. How can she show us substance? By repeating "Troll" every day, in the same angry verses?

Blarsen's right. When has she said anything here that somebody can look back at with respect? A few words of wisdom, a funny joke? Some good insights? Nothing. Just --Troll. That's some reason to be hanging around a conservative blog site. I don't even see any sign that Blonde is a conservative. Is she a Leftist? I can't tell. A Centrist? I wish I knew. She's a contributor to the overall confusion and insecurity of dumb folks, IMHO. Not much good even for a laugh.

You and she make a fine pair, Bill. Figure skaters without music, tracing back and forth the same figure," "You troll!"

Hey Tumble....Instead of a si

Hey Tumble....

Instead of a sidelong attack....(like the chicken ILLEGAL ALIEN APOLOGIST YOU ARE)....why don't you try it head on.

Specifically.

What?

You are such a small little man.

But now we know you are not only an ILLEGAL ALIEN APOLOGIST....you are also an advocate for all the sick DEATH ROW INMATES.

Nice constituency there, Tumbler.

So instead of making statments ABOUT me....to someone else....why don't you address me directly?  Or are you too SMALL to do that? 

Well, that's just my opinion of you....little man.

you want a lesson in manners?

Good; let's try.

I'm very clear about my views of the death penalty, Bottle Blonde.

I'm in favor. Don't wrack your brain trying to figure it out. Statements about YOU are just counter-punches. You feel free to cut me, I answer you with the cut you deserve. I don't even pretend to be your pal. Go on and hate me, Dear. Take cheap shots. Be incoherent all the time. Nobody reads your posts anyway. Except mistyabill; a George Raft type who is dying for attention and only YOU ever give him some. Poor guy. He yearns for your approval.

CIAO, Bionda; keep cool! Try some courtesy on the Internet. Be CALM.

Yes, tumble....Your posts her

Yes, tumble....

Your posts here today were extremely clear for all to see.  Nothing for me to add.

So not only are you an ILLEGAL ALIEN APOLOGIST....

you are a DEATH ROW APOLOGIST as well.

I could hardly care less about you, tumble.   Nor your insults. 

You are the one who's a complete imbecile on the internet here, tumble.

Keep typing.  It's very credible.

*Yawn*

Speak for yourself

Her forte is hate speech?

Speak for yourself.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???"  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

yes, unsane bag

Her forte is hate speech. Have you ever seen her post anything loveable or charitable? You may dislike me, that's your perfect right. But often you can see signs of love and understanding in one or two of my posts. With Blonde there's nothing but spite and confrontation. Don't take my word. Look at her words, Niagara Faller. (--Is that hate? --No, just FUN.)

Blonde loves to hate and knock down another person. It's why she hangs around here, like a fog.

Blonde loves to hate and knoc

Blonde loves to hate and knock down another person?

Speak for yourself.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Pot calling kettle

 Your forte is hate speech wrapped in your "religious" tolerance. 

I offered you my love, terri

Let's get it straight, terrig. I blessed you and offered you compassion and love. I called down God's blessings and protection on you.

You know I did. If this is what you reject, just be honest about it. You gain nothing with lies. Who's going to believe you here? It's all recorded in the archive. My speech is not hate.

My offer is truth leading to love & understanding for men and women of good will.

What?????::?

 Let's see, you've called me a racist, one step removed from the Klan, I could go on.  I tell the truth.  I don't like Catholics like you who probably sit in the front pew or go to Mass everyday and then try to run one down in the parking lot or in your case with your words. 
Yes, your words are recorded in the archive (?) too. 

Hey Tumbler....I have asked y

Hey Tumbler....

I have asked you repeatedly to respond to ME....

Not to others about me.

If I were haysie.....I'd call you a CHICKENHAWK.

Okay....that's it....Tumbler

Okay....that's it....

Tumbler is only capable of slandering me to others.

I'm hearing <crickets> in a direct response to my challenge to the ugly tumble man.

Night all....

Nighty night, sleep tight & don't let the trolls bite! ;)

 I wonder if Tumbler has any hair to color? 

see that, blarsen?

This is it-- no more. You ain't dealing with much substance.

 Well talk about substance-i

 Well talk about substance-if you can call Blonde a "bottle Blonde" I think it's okay to ask if you have any hair to color. 

Keep addressing the trolls, t

Keep addressing the trolls, tumbler.

They're the only ones who'll speak to you here.

ILLEGAL ALIEN & DEATH ROW APOLOGIST.

um, &lt;edit&gt; I meant &quo

um, <edit> I meant "words" of wisdom.

Sorry, all.

Between the lines? Why don't

Between the lines? Why don't you just write 'lines' if you're so confindent of your positions?  Don't leave anything to question.  Spell it all out with as many words are you like.  Throw in a few facts if you feel like it.  Just put some THOUGHT into what you're trying to say.

blarsen

Okay, blarsen.

No between the lines.

What is your point for being here, little troll?

I am totally confident of my position(s).  Just because they are beyond your limited comprehension is not my problem.

If you have a specific question, about any of my posts, by all means....let me know.

However, your specific little "attack" is utterly pathetic.

Is that THOUGHTFUL enough for you, mon petit chou?

Between the lines? Why don't

Between the lines? Why don't you just write 'lines' if you're so confindent of your positions?  Don't leave anything to question.  Spell it all out with as many words are you like.  Throw in a few facts if you feel like it.  Just put some THOUGHT into what you're trying to say.

While you're at it, pauvre pe

While you're at it, pauvre petit chou, why didn't you delete your double post?

TROLL.

Blonde-- I love it when you s

Blonde-- I love it when you speak French to me! It drives me wild becauze je suis un liberal!

You are so unsubtle.I'd never

Gee, blarsen.....

I'd never have guessed you're a liberal....because you can't spell for shi'ite....obviously you went to one of those liberal elite schools where they don't teach anything of substance, like how to spell "because".

You are so unsubtle.

I'd never have guessed, Jacques.

Quelle troll.

Вы говорим По-Ру

Вы говорим По-Русский? 

(Couldn't resist.)

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Nice, Uns...care to translate

Nice, Uns...care to translate?

Translation for blonde

Do you speak Russian?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Um, no.....that's why I asked

Um, no.....that's why I asked for the transaltion.....;-)

I'd be willing to bet your be

I'd be willing to bet your beloved media has yet to report to you that the number of U.S. casualties have dropped dramatically since Saddam got to swing. 

And I notice that you blame the United States first for "all their countrymen we killed that weren't terrorists".  I know you passionately hate the United States like a good ingrate, but have you considered for a moment that the number of people who have possibly died as a result of the invasion is a pittance compared to the number of people Saddam Hussein killed?  Nah.  I forgot.  Nothing Bad Happens On The Left, and because Saddam was Left-leaning, he did no wrong. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Don't Think Just Leave

Hey, blarsen, don't think, for a moment, that you know a damn thing of which you speak. Do you know anybody over in Iraq? Are you personally invested in the process? Then shut your pie hole and let others do your fighting for you like all the other pacifist saps you hang out with. BTW, when Hannity was over in Iraq (I guess you missed that, huh?), many soldiers told him that the media were making their jobs more difficult because the terrorists felt more emboldened by their support. Can you explain that for me? Oh, and where is your military strategy expertise? Did it come from watching saps like Odd Man Out and Chrissy Sissy, your personal idols of the world? What good have you done for this world or for the WOT? Have you ever thanked a soldier or serviceman/woman for their service? Would you thank my active duty husband if you had the chance? Or would you spit on him and walk away like most anti-war protestors did during Vietnam? Oh, and by the way, the way I think this war will be won is when the military kicks the media the hell out of Iraq once and for all for their terrorist sympathizer sniper video interference. Then, they WILL eliminate the terrorists, and militia groups on both sides. However, since I don't imagine you ever rooted for our troops to win why don't you make yourself available to be a human shield? I bet the terrorists will use you as their next human bomb. Oh, and you hold the opinion of blue collar workers as fact above, say, our men and women in uniform, or say the generals leading them. My, that speaks volumes for why unions ARE destroying this country today. PR is what will win this war and we're losing it because of people like YOU. I'm sure, in your sick, twisted heart you know that to be the case but then ignorance is bliss for you, isn't it?

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

First of all, we aren't losin

First of all, we aren't losing the war because of me, or even because of you for that matter.  The blame is bigger than both of us and it needs to be placed on the commander-in-chief.  He himself says he is ultimately responsible and for once he's right.

Second of all, yeah--I do know some soldiers in Iraq I also met a nice guy who was the father of two small girls who went to Iraq as a contractor because it was too hard to turn down $120,000 a year as a security contractor. He was killed.  Can you tell me what he died for? Don't say it was your freedom because unless any country thinks they can pull off a full scale invasion of the United States they're sadly mistaken and that's where our freedom is--on the soil that's under my feet not in a desert on the other side of the globe.

You are extremely mistaken ab

You are extremely mistaken about freedom if that is what you believe.  Let me point you to a quote from the early 1960s, in response to the construction of the Berlin Wall and a subsequent confrontation with the Soviets and East Germans at Checkpoint Charlie over the harassment of American/British/French road traffic in and out of the divided city:

"When we protect the freedom of Berlin, we protect the freedom of London and New York as well."  - John F. Kennedy, 35th President of the United States (1917-1963)

I realize you are a spoiled, whiny brat who has no clue what it means to defend freedom, and in fact desperately wants to be enslaved by a Nanny State under the mistaken impression that IS freedom, but I would give that serious thought and get back to me.

And like it or not, this country is not in a vacuum nor is it invulnerable.  If missiles aren't already targeted on the United States, Russia can reprogram their missiles for targeting on this country in 30 minutes or so.  China has their Long Marches pointed here, undoubtedly, and they are modernizing their weapons and getting a "blue water" navy for themselves.  Iran wants nukes, so does North Korea.  And like it or not, Iraq was still a threat: they constantly harassed our aircraft, and they did house terrorists, like Abu Nidal from the 1980s. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

So you met some guy who was a contractor & you know a few Soldie

 Wow Blarsen, I am impressed.  You know a few Soldiers (yes my liberal troll, Soldiers, Marines, Airmen/women & Sailors should always be capped) well bully for you.  Okay, let's see shall we regarding contractors-they're there for 6 months and they make way more in that 6 months then even the Generals do.  Sorry he died but he could have just as easily died here.  There was a LTC who returned from Iraq and was killed by a drunk driver two days after he got home.  He could have died in Iraq but he died here.  People die everyday.  I guess you really don't understand that mindset and you must also understand to qoute my late friend, "I can be killed walking down the street or I can die doing my duty to my country.  Either way, I know 60% of the American people could give a damn:.  He's right about that, you sure don't.  If we don't stop them there, they'll be here and you can yap about the soil under your feet all you want.  You may be wearing a burka for all I know if we don't stop them there.

Many contractors are ex-milit

Many contractors are ex-military as was the one that I spoke of.  People die everyday.  You are sure right about that! It's when they die at the feet of politicians when it is troubling.  I guess you could say all wars are politically motivated, I know this one was.  The cause of it seemed to change every few months.  Then magically, Bush declared 'Mission Accomplished', but that was a lie because two years (or more) after that we're still there.  Your mindset remark is nonsensical.  Sure, you can get killed walking down the street, especially if that street is in Iraq. Iraq's freedom is for the Iraq people to fight for, but so far it looks like we are doing some good in uniting the Middle East.  It looks like Iran is cozying up to Iraq so we'll even have more freedom to fight for.

You know, again sorry for you

You know, again sorry for your loss but you just didn't get the gist of what I was saying.  Your hatred for the President is such that you can't see the forrest for the trees.  I think your mindset is nonsensical.  You didn't get what I was trying to say.  Starbucks will be open bright and early, get your latte and wring your hands.  If we have to go into Iran someday, you won't be there.  You believe you're too high and mighty to join the military.  That's okay, lucky for you this is an all volunteer force and they don't want the likes of you anyway.  Sure didn't when I was there.

Well, then I expect to see yo

Well, then I expect to see you on Fox News firing on a Mosque in downtown Tehran when the time comes, which will be sooner than you think. Tell me, are you in favor of a draft, because lately I've heard, albeit in the 'liberal' media, that we aren't getting enough volunteers in the military to be invading anymore countries. These problems in the Middle East  are not ours to fight for.  These are tribal and religious wars and are not our concern.  If all the righteous born agains and megachurch goers want to enlist and go fight the Muslims for Jesus, more power to them. They can enlist them right from the pulpit for all I care, but something tells me that ain't gonna happen.

Again, you are much too willi

Again, you are much too willing to be led around the nose by the Leftist media.  The Army met its recruiting goals last year and the service academies are getting plenty of applicants.  Lots of people are volunteering to serve their country so brats like you can sit on the ground and cry about it all day long.  It must be nice to be a spoiled ingrate.

Your hostility to organized religion is also showing.  This isn't a Crusade; if it were, we'd colonize Iraq altogether.  This is about aloowing Muslims and Christians and all else to decide what they want for themselves at the ballot box. 

What goes on in the Middle East IS our concern.  They have been making it our concern ever since 4 November 1979.  If they can be stabilized through democracy, the Middle East and its people will be much better off.  Don't believe me?  Look at South Asia and East Asia.  Look at other areas of the world that democratized and decided to trade goods and services instead of bullets. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Do you mean communist countri

Do you mean communist countries such as China and Viet Nam?  You don't need a democracy to trade goods, though I wish you did. If I thought there was any hope of true democracy in the Middle East I'd say let's go over there whole hog and do whatever we can to make it happen. We've established a democracy there and now its time to pull back and let the Iraqis takeover.

If you bother studying histor

If you bother studying history then you would understand why I am giddy about the Chinese and Vietnamese trading.  (All of Vietnam would be democratic, perhaps, if not for crybabies like you during the Vietnam War, but I'll leave that for now.)  Once a merchant/middle class gets established, democracy is inevitable.  Smoothly or not, this is what happened in European countries and will soon happen in these nations as well. 

Why do you say democracy cannot happen in the Middle East?  To hell with Israel and Turkey then, huh?  Egypt's democracy is far from perfect (it reminds me a lot of PRI-era Mexico), but it is starting slowly, and Lebanon has a fledgling democracy of its own.  Could it be that you look down in utter condescension upon the Arab Muslism of the MIddle East, convinced that they are consigned to tribalism and monarchy/oligarchy forever?  That is kind of a racist stance to take, isn't it?  I, on the other hand, know that they can figure it out. 

Interesting how you impatiently demand we just leave Iraq NOW NOW NOW.  Why?  Casualties have dropped dramatically since Saddam got executed.  Could he have been a main cause of the violence (because he was alive, the possibility of him getting back into power was present)?  Possibly.  Why not stick around, mop up more bad guys, to include those who want to riddle you with bullets as you enjoy your Starbucks latte...or is that vision perhaps too middle-class for you (hat tip to CBC's Rex Murphy)?  Besides, as other posters have pointed out, I don't see you crying for us to leave other nations we continue to make safe for democracy, like South Korea.  Or other nations we have made so safe for democracy that they have gotten to the point where their people are spoiled beyond all comprehension in a Kantian world (hat tip to Robert Kagan) where they think they are untouchable by the troubles of the world even as they are defended by a United States that exists in a Hobbesian world (Mr. Kagan again).  Would you have been crying for us to leave West Germany and other Western European nations in the late 1940s?   

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Perhaps you've seen my husband on tv from Iraq

 I am not in favor of a draft because trust me, as high and mighty as you believe yourself to be, you're not that great.  Those who are in the military DO NOT WANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU BEING DRAFTED AND PUT IN THEIR RANKS.  HERE'S A BIT OF INFO FOR YOU , THE US ARMY EXCEEDED THEIR RECRUITMENT GOALS LAST YEAR, CLOSE OF BUSINESS OCT. 2006.  Perhaps you didn't read that or hear that.  I don't care.  Why you've decided to drag religion into your diatribe is beyond me.  You have no respect for the men and women in uniform who keep your sorry ass safe.  I'm sure you don't know anyone in the military anyway.  This spouse of a deployed Army Officer is sick of and tired of trolls like you who do absolutely nothing but denegrate their service unless their ex military contractors which is okay because they make the big bucks-you cannot stand the fact that you don't have the gonads to do what they do. 

BTW NOT IN FAVOR OF A DRAFT BECAUSE CRAP LIKE YOU HAVE NO PLACE IN THE US MILITARY.  I DIDN'T WANT CRAP LIKE YOU IN DURING DESERT STORM AND LET ME REITERATE SINCE YOU SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM UNDERSTANDING-CRAP LIKE YOU WHO DON'T WANT TO SIGN UP ON THEIR OWN IS NOT WANTED BY THOSE WHO SERVE.  DRINK YOUR LATTE AND WRING YOUR HANDS BECAUSE YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHO IS IN THE MILITARY AND A CONTRACTOR WHO GOT KILLED.

Your ignorance of foreign aff

Your ignorance of foreign affairs is only exceeded by your crying over the simple fact that freedom is NOT free.  Iran can only cozy up to the Shi'ite population, and even then there will be friction as Iran consists of (a majority of) Farsi-speaking Persians and Iraq's Shi'a population are Arabs.  If you don't buy that, I suggest you look at Iran's own ethnic minority populations.

The reasons for going into Iraq have never changed, but you don't think independently or critically, you wait on Brian Williams and Company to tell you what to believe.  Like it or not, Desert Storm ended in a cease-fire and once the ceasefire was violated when Iraq started illuminating the fighters patrolling the "no-fly" zones, the casus belli existed.  For more, I would suggest you read the 16 UN Resolutions that applied to Iraq before the war, and read President Bush's 2003 State of the Union, and be sure to read a little more than the WMD section (which were found; quite a few mustard gas munitions were uncovered last summer.  Oh, sure, the media cried that they were inert, but mustard gas is one of the most persistent agents there are.  If you don't believe me, go plow some old WWI battelfields in France and see what happens.) 

And my JFK quote still applies: "When we protect the freedom of Berlin, we protect the freedom of London and New York as well."  This hasn't changed.  Why, after all, do we still defend Seoul, and why are we aiding Afghanistan and Iraq? 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Blarsen You're Full Of Baloney

Let me get this straight. You "know" a few soldiers and a contractor who died in Iraq? From where? The papers? I also see that you didn't answer many of my questions, but, then, when put on the spot, I knew you wouldn't because what could you say to me that would indicate that you even understood somebody like me? As to the President, he's made mistakes as do most presidents in times of war; the Civil War, WW II, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I, and Bosnia. So Pres. Bush is to blame? What about the Congress who supported the war or the American public that were ra ra when everything was great. We are ALL responsible for failure whether you want to admit it or not. Anybody that is  a contractor or service member over in Iraq right now is well cognizant of the sacrifices (meaning life and limb). I could very well see my HUSBAND going over there because it's his job. Do YOU get that? Do YOU understand what's at stake? When I read your posts, you seem far removed from the reality that I face on a daily basis. You never fail to note how you think fighting over THERE means nothing over HERE because we couldn't possibly get attacked or invaded. However, we did get ATTACKED on 9/11 or is that Pres. Bush's fault too? YOU are very naive if you don't see the bigger picture that any foreign policy expert could see in a heartbeat. Are you ignorant of the ramifications if we turn tail and get out? It will be a hollow victory for you but not for the country as a whole. It doesn't take a full-scale invasion to decimate a country...with a few well-placed nuclear weapons, or improvised explosive devices it will be open season. Will YOU be willing to live with that? I won't. Again, you sound very selfish and naive in this post. My husband and others like him fight for your pathetic ass and sometimes I wonder why. I do. You aren't the least bit educated, informed, or even remotely well versed in even some of the more basic geo-political implications of the Middle East. Your answer: cut and run. What will you say when we'll have to go back and clean up yet another disaster because we didn't follow through on our promises? Will you be able to live with that on your conscience? You can barely explain your argument and if you can't answer my basic questions, then why respond to me at all? To show up the military spouse...but then I have more of a clue of what's going on than most of the American public or you will ever have.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

Allow me to pre-empt you, bla

Allow me to pre-empt you, blarsen.  No, Iraq did not ahve anything to do with 9/11/01...DIRECTLY.  However, as they still sponsored terrorists and terrorists acts, they had to be dealt with at some point.  Some of us wish to deal with that reality after accepting it.  Others just want to sit on the ground and cry.  It is easy to see which side you are on.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

There Are No Sides For Blarsen

Hey there, unsane, how ya doin'? According to blarsen, there are no "sides." "Sides" mean that there is something wrong in the world that has to be fought and eliminated. No, the only thing that exists for blarsen is appointing blame (very childish but then we're talking to one of many children who can't accept reality)  and who's right and who's wrong. According to blarsen, Pres. Bush was wrong in invading Iraq (as most liberals are singing), and they, blarsen and all his pacifist, nanny-state friends were right. Nothing better than to destroy a war, a military, and a war time president all in one breath. All because Pres. Bush had the audacity to stand up to a dictator, draw a line in the sand, and say "no more." Political reasons? What political reasons, blarsen? Name them...oh, yes, here they are, revenge, get revenge for Daddy, steal some oil, revenge, oil, blah, blah, blah. Okay, I'm tired. Blarsen, why don't you thank the military for making you safe because when they're all gone (defunded and torn to smithereens by the libs to fund more social security) who will you have to defend you? The police? The firefighters? The border patrol? Good luck.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

Good to see you.  Love the A

Good to see you.  Love the AF quote: having been in the AF, I thoroughly approve. :-) 

blarsen is a spolied brat who is enraged at the fact that we even have a military.  As evidenced by his posts here, he thinks freedom is 100% free.  Yet he'll be crying like a baby if a terrorist with an AK comes along and unloads his magazine into him and other Americans.  blarsen thinks we are better served punishing the successful elements of this society, as evidenced by other posts on other threads, by stealing from them as much as possible to finance a coddling, spoiling, Western European Nanny State. 

Leftists like these either don't get it, don't want to get it, or both.  Kindly tip your hat to your husband on my behalf.  My father got stationed to Korea twice when I was growing up so I have some idea of what you are going through.  (Being single I left no one behind when it was time for me to go to The Pen.)  Accordingly, I must tip my hat to you and terrig as well. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Goodnight Unsane & Emjem

 Gotta get to bed as I have planned a day of shopping with my little daughter tomorrow (son is going to his friends house to play with Thomas the Train all day).  Have a great evening. 

Me too. Gotta get up early, g

Me too. Gotta get up early, get the kids ready for school and head to work.

See, we're really just basically the same aren't we?

Socialist dreams

That is your socialist dream, isn't it?  Where we are all basically just the same?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

We Have Nothin In Common

No, we're not the same, blarsen. I feel sorry for your kids with a father like you (I've had to deal with permissive dweebs like you as a teacher when your parent skills aren't up to snuff and I have to clean up your mess). My father was a blue collar worker (who was forced to join a union if he wanted to work not because he wanted to) who didn't cram communist/socialist talking points down my throat like I bet you do with yours. Since you fail to answer even the simplest questions, I fail to see how you have anything in common with any of us on this blog. You feel you and your ignorant comments should not be held up to a shit detector like most Americans. You have no familiy serving in the military, you don't serve, and I'm very suspicious of your so-called friends in the military. So what exactly are your ties to the WOT, the Iraq War, or the military? Would your so-called military "friends" agree with you? Anyone can claim that. It's how you use it in your argument that matters. When you seek to only use your "friends" as another justificaton for why we shouldn't fight in Iraq, your argument becomes muddled. The military is ordered to fight anywhere in the world, not by you, but by our President (whoever is president).

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

How do you know what kind of

How do you know what kind of father I am.  My kids are both on the honor roll at school and are both sports fanatics and are highly competitive.  My thirteen year old could smoke you with his fastball, trust me.  They are both excellent musicians and have all the friends they could hope for.  We keep video games to a bare minimum in our family and play sports like there's no tomorrow.  Each of my kids have BB guns and I'm moving the older one up to a .22 this year.  You know nothing about me. For all I know your some slob that lies on the couch all day watching Fox News and crying about the liberals taking over the Congress,  which I suppose you probably are.

We know what liberals 'think'

We know what liberals 'think' of us.  They must be right, they're elites and we're slobs who watch Fox.  Poor deluded redneck slobs.  I agree with Mulligan's post below. 

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

I Really Could Care Less

Hey, blarsen, I really could care less. I've dealt with "liberal" parents who did the best for their kids and were still some of the most igorant, misinformed people of going (living through them vicariously I think). Because I don't agree with you I'm now sitting on my couch all day watching Fox News...? You'll be the one crying when your liberal fantasy falls apart. Ohhh...children with guns, you allow them guns? BB guns? Wow, impressive. Your kids sound overscheduled and stressed out like most I've known and will backfire. Anyhoo, yawn, I'll go back to "lying" on my couch now, sipping my martini, and poundering how anyone (like you) can use their children to get out of an argument and still not answer basic questions. You've ceased being relevant to any of us on this site and I'm sure you've already bad-mouthed the military to your perfect, little children of the corn (if they even exist for that matter). Tah tah.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

&quot;He was killed. Can you

"He was killed. Can you tell me what he died for?"

Not to sound crass, but I think you answered your own question. He died because he made a choice. He died "because it was too hard to turn down $120,000 a year as a security contractor."

I'm sorry to hear that, and more sorry for his daughters. But he made the choice, he took the chance. And for a lot more money than our military men and women are doing it for. They chose to enlist, but I don't know that many of them chose to go to Iraq. Your friend, tragically, did.

Bias

I find it funny the tolerance and diversity crowd can't tolerate diversity that does not fit within their narrow definition. Everything else is labled "hate" which gives them an excuse to bash it.  FOX news does give more conservatives a chance to be heard and covers news in a way the others won't.  They do however give liberals a fair shot at air time as well. Something the rest only make a token effort at.

I have a liberal friend who watched Fox for the first time and he was just looking for an excuse not to like it.  When he found it he was done. Back to CNN.  He doesn't think the CNN's and NBC's are biased.

As I recall Brian Williams was an intern during the Carter White house years. And not for a Republican.

The  Chris Wallace interview with Bill Clinton was a real example of bias.  The Dems called Clinton's response to Wallace's questions, backbone and the major news media played right along. That was the "style" part of the interview. However the mainstream news folks ignored the "substance" part altogether. Which was; what Clinton was accusing Wallace and Fox News of true?  Was Clinton right in his accusations? The answer is NO he wasn't.  But that is what matters most to libs, style over substance.  On substance they lose so it doesn't get covered.

Well, Clinton has his own issues.

Well, Clinton has his own issues.

For sure he isn't sleeping all that well.  That's sorta the tell tale.

ACA

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liberal bias, media and the fallacy of libs vs. conservatives

Hi – Liberal troll here. (The enemy!) I know some people here can’t be swayed – you fear liberalism deeply and feel that the media is biased towards liberals. (MSNBC has Pat Buchanon on the other night – he’s liberal??) To a lot of you, what Hannity and Rush says is true.

Many of you don’t understand media. If you did, you would realize how deeply you’ve been fooled. In order for media to be effective, it has to tell a story, in order to tell a story effectively one must paint broad picture of black and white: Cowboys and Indians, Cops and Robbers, good guys and bad guys. This is the foundation of storytelling that we as humans have responded to very, very strongly since the days of cavemen. It’s the same ethos that Rush has applied and you respond to it because it is in your nature to respond to it. (We are good –they are bad!) It’s make reality easier to understand. No one would listen to Rush if he told the truth: There’s good and bad on both sides. When you listen to him or read this website you have to remember you are hearing and seeing a SHOW. - with villains and heroes like all shows have– it is designed to make you respond the way you do. It leads to – I’m sorry to put it bluntly – totally dumb broadstrokes against liberals - who make up 30 percent of the American population.

(“Never trust” 30 percent of Americans??) It doesn’t get any dumber than that.

Anyway – a lot of you have a lot to learn. Many of you will continue to be fooled deeply as is your nature.

Also, you when accusing “bias” you never do but should consider “advocacy”.

All the best to all of you regardless, we all live in the best country despite its flaws and thank God for that. Thank you for reading.

Read this for more insight on the media

http://en.wikipedia....

Yet Another Troll

Hello, troll. My, don't we sound high and mighty. Not. You may think you're one of the few enlightened folks out there but you'll prove yourself wrong in time when you've been proven false and naive (which most liberals are). Now we are the black and white crowd? I'd just love to know who you consider the terrorists (if you even believe they exist)? You think you have something to teach me? What do you know about me? Ever been in the military and seen friends and spouses deployed? Probably not. It's all about you and how "enlightened" you are. Pat Buchanan is just a guest occasionally, not even a host. Big deal. Fox has talked to him too...he tends to whore himself out to most anyone. You don't really expect me to believe that he would agree with any of the hosts on MSNBC? Oh, and dear, you might want to hyperlink your little wikipedia page...but then if you trully knew anything about the web or blogs, you'd know that. Wow, you really taught me. Now go run along now and misinform more idiots. I'm sure they'd flock to your bandwagon.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.