Those not fortunate enough to live in the San Francisco Bay Area might find it hard to believe that this liberal community sports an extremely conservative radio station. Conceivably less shocking is that in recent weeks, it has come under attack from liberal bloggers unhappy with its content.
For those unfamiliar, KSFO is a Northern California broadcaster of radio programs hosted by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Dr. Laura, and Mark Levin. In the Netroots’ crosshairs are local conservative personalities such as Melanie Morgan (who should be familiar to Fox News watchers), Lee Rodgers, and Tom Benner (AKA Officer Vic), all of the drive-time “Morning Show.” Also under attack is Brian Sussman, a former local weatherman turned radio host.
(Update: The New York Times published its own take on this issue Monday.)
The Vinyl Frontier
The troubles for KSFO began in 2006 when a fifth-tier liberal blogger from San Francisco, hiding behind the pseudonym “Spocko’s Brain,” started sending the station’s advertisers complaint letters. Such correspondence included cherry-picked audio clips and mini-transcripts from previous broadcasts. One such letter, as posted by Daily Kos contributor Mike Stark on January 3, began:
To: Wendy Clark, VP-advertising, AT&T
Dear Ms. Clark:
Thanks to radio hosts from KSFO your brand is being associated with torturing and killing people. Would your marketing people be happy to hear your commercial ran after Lee Rogers [sic] said this about a black man in Lincoln, Nebraska?
"Now you start with the Sear's [sic] Diehard [sic] the battery cables connected to his testi*les and you entertain him with that for awhile [sic] and then you blow his bleeping head off. " [sic] (Audio link)
You should know the person calling for the execution and torture of the black man in that clip READS THE AT&T commercials on the air. Right now on KSFO Lee Rogers [sic] is THE VOICE of AT&T to the SF Bay area. (Audio Link)
That’s Vulcan Illogical
Unfortunately, Spocko’s conspicuously brief transcript and audio link conveniently ignored and eluded the context of this discussion. Here is a more complete transcript of this segment:

Rodgers: You couldn’t make this up. This time he was breaking into cars. His name is Kevin Holder, he’s 41 years old. He’s been arrested 236 times. His crime history, his rap sheet is 43 pages long going back to 1980.
Now wouldn’t you think at some point, in what’s supposed to be common sense, middle-America, somebody would ask, “Why is this guy running around loose?” What kind of idiot judges have repeatedly set up situations where this guy could be back out on the street? Actually, in a common sense world every judge who has ever sentenced this guy to any kind of circumstance that would allow him to get out of jail, every one of those judges ought to be in prison for life.
Officer Vic: Sure, this is Montana.
Rodgers: This is what passes for law enforcement in the criminal justice system in the United States of America these days and it’s just, well it’s just disgusting.
Morgan: Clearly we need a three strikes law at a national level.
Rodgers: Yeah, some SOB like this, lock him up, throw away the key.
Morgan: Yeah.
Rodgers: Better yet, put a bullet between his eyes and get it over because he’s never going to be worth a damn, never going to be anything but a criminal anyway.
Morgan: Well, that’s a bit of a harsh judgment, Lee.
Rodgers: No it isn’t, no it isn’t. No, it’s only common sense. What does the guy do? He’s demonstrated two hundred some odd times where he’s been caught. This doesn’t even count all the times he’s gotten away with crimes. So what the hell is the point of letting some creep like this live? What is the point? Now you start with the Sears DieHard, the battery cables connected to his testicles, and you entertain him with that for a while, and then you blow his bleeping head off. Thank you very much.
Morgan: That’s what I like about you. You’re so temperate.
It’s a bit different when you find out that Rodgers and Morgan were discussing a felon that had been arrested 236 times, and were thereby using the Sears DieHard image to mock the justice and penal systems for his continued presence on the streets. Wouldn’t you agree?
Context is a wonderful thing, isn’t it?
Please also note that the color of Holder’s skin was not addressed by any of the radio personalities involved in this segment. Yet, in his letter, Spocko implied that race was an issue in the broadcast in question.
Liberals are great at tossing out the race card when it furthers their agenda, aren’t they?
The Vulcan Mind Melt
Alas, this wasn’t the only example of cherry-picking out of context snippets to prove a specious point. Here’s another truly ridiculous item from Spocko’s letter:
Because of how ads are purchased, your ad placement agency probably didn't know that Tom Brenner [sic] (the "comic relief" called Officer Vic) regularly mocks advertiser's [sic] products. Listen as he:
· calls Chevrolet's product "shi**y" (audio link)
This one would be really hysterical if not for the seriousness of the situation, and is a perfect example of how the liberal bloggers that jumped on this chance to eviscerate a conservative radio station totally ignored even a modicum of research to validate the accuracy of Spocko’s contentions. Here is the transcript of this segment:
Sussman: Buck McQuillan now, brought to you by Northern California Chevy baby…on this spare the air day I can’t think of anything better to drive. A big ol’ Chevy. See your northern California Chevy dealer today.
Officer Vic: Chivvy.
Sussman: Tell them Suss sent you.
Officer Vic: Chivvy.
Sussman: Buck, how are you doing this morning?
For those phonetically challenged – which appear to be Spocko and all the liberal bloggers advancing his position – Officer Vic was saying “Chivvy,” not “sh**y.” This was an impersonation of folks that mispronounce the name of this automaker, including sportscaster Brent Musburger who was regularly lampooned for his bizarre pronunciations on NBC’s “Saturday Night Live.”
Maybe more pertinent, residents of the Golden State know quite well that many California car dealers who run television and radio ads up and down the coast say “Chivvy” and “Chivrolet,” and are regularly chided for this by local media personalities. As a result, a little research by the bloggers who jumped on this might have identified how absurd this vulgarity claim by Spocko was.
Without overstating the point, shame on all those who just took Spocko’s word on this matter without the slightest effort to examine its veracity. This is especially true for the proprietor of Daily Kos, Markos Moulitsas, who resides in Berkeley, and most certainly should have been cognizant of the rather obvious satire being purported by the KSFO crew.
Live Wrong and a Cropper
Moving forward, Spocko ended his preposterous complaint letter to AT&T:
I want to emphasize that if you withdrawal [sic] your ads you aren't limiting their free speech, just removing your paid support of it. Some other company without the values you describe on the AT&T website can support them. You can choose to advertise elsewhere. This is really about YOU. Do YOU want to be associated with these comments? Do you want your company and brand to be associated with these comments?
I urge you to discontinue advertising on KSFO during the shows hosted by Melanie Morgan, Lee Rogers [sic], Tom Brenner [sic] and Brian Sussman.
Comically, Stark wrote the following at DKos: “This has got to be one of the best constructed letter [sic] to any advertiser I've ever read. He hits every point of weakness.”
You might consider pluralizing the word “letter” as you’re gushing over the quality of this correspondence, Mike. Furthermore, throughout this piece, two of the primary subjects’ names were continuously misspelled, as Lee’s last name is “Rodgers,” and Officer Vic’s last name is “Benner.” In fact, the errors in this letter are so numerous that an English teacher of students above the age of fifteen would likely be quite appalled.
Regardless of his literary acumen, up to this point, Spocko’s concerns seemed to be largely falling on deaf, un-pointed human ears. However, quite curiously on December 21, ABC’s legal counsel sent a letter to his Internet service provider asking it to discontinue the use of KSFO’s audio clips without permission. In response to this correspondence, 1&1 Internet, Inc. canceled Spocko’s account.
This raises “Fair Use” questions that have been addressed by a number of bloggers. I too use audio and video clips in my writing, and will do so here. As such, I wonder what legal grounds ABC actually had in sending this letter, or whether the ISP in question should have caved into the pressure.
Threats Are Illogical and Payment Usually Expensive
Regardless of the answers, Spocko’s plight was about to get a lot more attention, as on January 2 of the New Year, he was a guest contributor at Online Blogintegrity where he asked for a call to arms:
What can you do?
1) As El Gato Negro suggested, let’s distribute the audio clips of violent rhetoric and hate speech to multiple locations on the internet so that the ABC/Disney lawyers will have to find and send cease and desist letters to ISPs with stronger policies than the nice people at 1&1.
2) Crank this up around the blogosphere, if you have a blog link and post about this [sic].
3) Let’s see if anyone in the mainstream media cares. Sadly they have a hard time writing about people who want them dead. I would think that at least the PUBLISHERS and MANAGEMENT at the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and the Associate Press [sic] would want to at least defend their own journalists and photojournalists. To date only the LA Times has called Morgan out for accusing them of photojournalist misconduct.. [sic]
Some members of the press HAVE covered this. When Joe Conason at Salon did a story about Morgan and KSFO he got called a hack by Morgan. When Todd Milbourn of the Sacramento Bee did a story about Move America Forward he got called a liar by Morgan.
4) Donate to groups who would defend bloggers, journalists and others that Morgan, Rogers [sic] and Sussman attack. Specifically I’m recommending you donate money to the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the Committee to Protect Journalists, and Media Matters.
You can also support the journalists who are doing their jobs and are threatened with death from talk radio hosts.
5) Write the advertisers of KSFO. I have a list of SOME of the advertisers who advertise on KSFO. Drop me a line at spockosemail @ gmail.com and I’ll send you a link to an updated list.
The following day, Mike Stark published this entire posting at Daily Kos with some of his own marvelous imagery: “I've got visions of Micky [sic] Mouse with his snapped neck caught in a mousetrap of Spocko's making. Spocko took on a giant and so far, is winning.”

How pleasant.
Nowhere am I so Desperately Needed as Among a Blogload of Illogical Liberals
Of course, the name “Mike Stark” might be familiar to many conservatives, as he is the blogger that pushed a George Allen supporter at a campaign event in late October (video available here), and ended up getting wrestled to the ground as a result. Stark claimed that this was completely unprovoked, and was the toast of the liberal blogosphere, as well as a guest of Keith Olbermann’s (video available here).
To be sure, Stark is no stranger to going after conservative members of the media. As Wikipedia notes in his biography: “Stark's first brush with nationwide notoriety came after he called conservative commentator Bill O'Reilly and mentioned MSNBC commentator Keith Olbermann's name on air.” This led to O’Reilly saying:
You know, we have his — we have your phone numbers, by the way. So, if you're listening, Mike, we have your phone number, and we're going to turn it over to Fox security, and you'll be getting a little visit.
In fact, it appears that Stark makes a habit of this kind of thing. Rick Marshall of Albany, New York’s, Metroland Online introduced an article he wrote about Stark:
In the ideological battle to win the hearts and minds of American voters, Mike Stark is a political sniper. Armed only with a telephone, enough facts to support his positions, and the patience to wait as long as it takes to get on the air, the self-described “Albany gadfly” has become a frequent caller on right-wing radio and television shows around the nation. So much so, in fact, that the best measure of his success might not be the number of calls he’s made, but the type of enemies he’s making along the way.
To say the least, Rick.
Fascinating is a Word I Use for the Unexpected; In This Case, I Should Think ‘Interesting’ Would Suffice
Immediately following the Allen incident, Stark was hired by the ultraliberal radio network Air America. Cenk Uygur, the co-host of Air America’s program “The Young Turks,” reported the following at the Huffington Post on November 1: “I am proud to announce that ‘The Young Turks’ on Air America Radio has hired Mike Stark to be a reporter for the show.” The following day, the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported:
"This job is totally secondary to law school," said Stark. "But the main reason they’re hiring me is because of the void in the media of asking difficult questions of powerful people."
Put it all together, and a liberal law student, who apparently makes sport out of contacting and inciting conservative radio and television hosts – as well as conservative politicians – after being hired by the liberal radio network Air America, decided to take on a conservative radio station thousands of miles away from where he lived.
Judging by the Pollution Content of the Blogosphere, I Believe we Have Arrived at the Early 21st Century
Given the huge membership of Daily Kos, it wasn’t long before other Netroots members joined the party. Prominent video blog “Crooks and Liars” linked to Stark’s DKos post the following day. Netrooter “Firedoglake” entered the fray on January 5. That same day, a video describing Spocko’s position was posted at YouTube, and quickly got linked at websites all over the country.
The next day, January 6, Stark posted his own call to arms at Daily Kos entitled “OH, IT’S ON!! BLOGSWARM NOW! SPOCKO’S ABOUT TO HIT BIG!”: “If you host a blog, please download each of the clips I’ve linked to in this post and host them at your site…Secondly, contact the advertisers listed at the bottom of this post and let them know what offends you the most.”
Stark was good enough to list all of the KSFO sponsors:
Finally, follow up with these folks. I’ve posted phone numbers of many of the advertisers to make it easy for people to contact them, but this should not be the end. On your own blogs, and in the comments below, do your own research. Find addresses and write to the responsible executives. Tell Disney and ABC what you think. Make this activist action a model for those to follow. This is merely scratching the surface of the cesspool that is hate radio. Michael Savage, Bill O’Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Dennis Prager and Sean Hannity all have sordid tales of hatred to tell. We’ll work our way up to them, but for now, let’s pick the low hanging fruit that is KSFO.
On January 9, the liberal watchdog Media Matters – the same organization that Spocko had suggested readers contribute money to in his January 2 posting at Online Blogintegrity – published a piece on this subject: “The mainstream media have yet to report on the story of a blogger whose website was shut down after he began spotlighting inflammatory rhetoric common to several talk radio hosts on KSFO, an ABC Radio-owned station in San Francisco.”
On that same day, KPIX, the CBS television affiliate in the Bay Area, did a segment on its evening news broadcast concerning this issue (video available here). And, on January 11, the San Francisco Chronicle did its own piece.
With all the attention given to this matter, KSFO decided to air a special, three-hour program on January 12 to address the criticisms, and allow both supporters and detractors to ask questions as well as voice concerns. All three hours are available here to those interested, and include the supposedly offensive segments in question with thorough explanations by the parties involved.
Conspicuously absent from this discussion was Spocko who was personally invited to attend, but chose to not participate. Even though he did talk by phone with the KPIX folks just days earlier without giving up his name, he somewhat cowardly chose to hide from those he had been accusing of wrongdoing. How utterly pathetic.
Logic is a Wreath of Pretty Flowers That Smell Bad
However, Mike Stark did call in. For those interested, you can hear him claim to not be an employee of Air America’s at minute 39:55 of the second hour. This of course goes somewhat contrary to the previously cited statement made by Air America anchor Cenk Uygur, the Richmond Times-Dispatch article, as well as this opening sentence at Stark’s Wikipedia bio: “W. Michael ‘Mike’ Stark is an American author, activist, blogger and commentator with Air America Radio.”
Stark, as a good law student, differentiated the term “employee” from “hired by” in his January 11 DKos posting:
I explained that I am not an employee of Air America [sic] – instead I have served as a free-lance [sic] reporter for them. If I have a story I want to do and I think it fits with The Young Turks radio program, I run it by the show’s host, Cenk Uygur, to see if they have an interest in buying the rights to it
Regardless of this dubious employment distinction, if Stark receives compensation from Air America, even as a 1099 independent contractor, there indeed is a questionable conflict of interest for him to be inciting sponsors to stop advertising with a competitor without apprising them of this relationship. Certainly, Stark would likely find it inappropriate and potentially unethical for me to engage the financial backers of Media Matters in a similar fashion without disclosing my connection to the Media Research Center.
Sir, You Are Employing a Double Negative
Speaking of Media Matters, its CEO David Brock sent a letter to CEO Robert Iger of the Walt Disney Company on January 12 asking him to “stop airing the violent hate speech and racist fearmongering [sic] of extreme right-wing radio talk show hosts Melanie Morgan and Brian Sussman on KSFO radio in San Francisco.” His letter concluded:
It is hard to believe that the same company that brought us Mickey Mouse and The Little Mermaid could be involved in any way with individuals who publicly advocate hate, racism, and violence.
For ABC/Disney and its sponsor companies to continue to fund, promote, and broadcast this program and others like it suggests a serious lack of judgment on the part of one of this nation's trusted media companies, as well as a lack of commitment to use of the airwaves as a public trust, and we implore you to reconsider airing such deplorable content immediately.
It would be interesting to know if Mr. Brock sent a similar letter to Jeffrey Immelt, the CEO of General Electric, concerning recent statements made by Don Imus. As reported by NewsBusters, the following conversation took place on MSNBC’s “Imus in the Morning” on January 3:
Imus: "I was – I tried to imagine how various members of the current administration would behave were they subjected to the gallows as Saddam Hussein was. Um, and I can see Rumsfeld –"
Barnicle: “He wouldn't take it. No blindfold for Rumsfeld.”
Imus: "That's what I was thinking, you know. ‘F-you.' You know, you go to the gallows with the noose you want, not the noose you– or the noose you have, not the noose you want–"
Barnicle: "That's exactly right."
Imus: "Or Whatever. But Cheney–"
Barnicle: "Just as that trap door opens, he'd drop an f-bomb to all of them."
Imus: "How about Cheney?"
Barnicle: “I don't think Cheney would make it up the steps.”
Imus: "Now this is a guy who would, this is a guy – he'd wet his pants and he'd whine and start crying."
Barnicle: "Well, he would order as a last meal 400 pounds of bacon."
Imus: "Yeah, ‘cause this is a guy that got six deferments just to get out of Vietnam because he had, what was that phrase he used – he had some other more important issues to deal with. One of ’em, the last one, was getting his wife pregnant just to keep from having to deal with this."
Barnicle: "Oh God."
Imus: "Uh, who else? Wolfowitz, he'd cry."
Barnicle: "Oh yeah, he'd be shot in the back running away."
Imus: "Yeah, exactly. Yeah, or some of the other key players."
Barnicle: "Richard Perle."
Imus: "Oh, he'd, oh God, he'd, he would soil himself. So–"
Barnicle: "Can't you see him being dragged up by his cap?"
Imus: "Oh yeah."
Barnicle: "Clinging, splinters in his fingernails."
Imus: “A combover of his hanging all down the side of his head.”
Think Brock is going to send a letter to GE about this? And where are Spocko, Mike Stark, and the Netroots concerning this kind of vitriol, or any of the vile nonsense regularly being directed at Republicans and Bush administration representatives by other MSNBC employees such as Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and David Shuster?
The Needs of the Many Outweigh the Needs of the Few…or the One
Of course, therein lies the rub, doesn’t it? Media bias is somewhat in the eye of the beholder, and what I perceive to be inappropriate folks like Spocko, Stark, and Brock likely celebrate.
However, the distinction becomes more serious when the supposed biases are being identified to incite an advertising boycott which could negatively impact the livelihoods of those involved. This is possibly even more nefarious if the end result is to quash the free flow of opinions on the airwaves contrary to your own.
After all, it is one thing to point out the conceivably partial comments being made by a member of the media. It is altogether a completely different issue if you are using your position as either a blogger or a media analyst to motivate readers to send complaint letters to sponsors all because you disagree with the views being expressed.
At that point, analysis and observation cross the line into zealotry.
Ah Yes – One of Your Earth Emotions
To be sure, it is impossible for me to be truly impartial about this issue. On the one hand, I am a known conservative, and proud of it. Yet, I am also a fan and listener of KSFO. There is no other radio station that receives anywhere near as much of my patronage, especially during the off-season of professional baseball.
Still, there appears to be a huge distinction between a local radio station and a national television network that is clearly lost upon folks like Spocko, Stark, and Brock. KSFO doesn’t hide the fact that it carries exclusively conservative programs. Quite the contrary, it celebrates and advertises it both on radio and on television. As such, complaining that this station presents right-of-center views is akin to carping and whining about a classical station playing Beethoven.
By contrast, as cable outlets like MSNBC and CNN, as well as the major broadcast networks, don’t advertise or promote themselves as being liberal – in fact, they feign impartiality whenever questioned on the subject – it is significantly more fair and appropriate to point out to viewers across the country when program hosts and guests are allowing their biases to dominate and impact the content of the issues being presented.
For some reason, people on the left can’t see this distinction. In fact, such folk complain whenever a clearly liberal host or guest says anything favorable about a Republican, or utters a statement that wouldn’t be acceptable to Howard Dean, Michael Moore, and Katrina vanden Heuvel.
To them, impartial reporting is continuous, 24/7 eviscerations of all things conservative, with unwavering support of every issue precious to their ilk. As Stark ominously stated in his January 6 call to arms:
But this is our moment. Progressives control both Houses of Congress. They pass the laws that govern the boundaries of what can be broadcast over people’s airwaves.
Scary, don’t you think? It’s 2007, the Internet and New Media are exploding, and people like Stark are hoping the new liberal Congress will control what is broadcast as political commentary over the airwaves. In virtually the same breath, he and his ilk would aggressively defend the New York Times’ first amendment right to publish illegally leaked national security secrets.
Note the Sinister Eyes and the Malformed Ears: Definitely an Inferior Race
But even that is gingerly dancing around the point, isn’t it? After all, what likely is at the heart of this entire issue is how conservatives dominate AM talk radio, and virtually every attempt by liberals to make any headway into this powerful medium has failed miserably.
As a result, it should not be overlooked for a second that Spocko’s chief proponent in the blogosphere is indeed connected with one of the largest liberal talk radio failures in history – the recently filed for bankruptcy protection Air America.
As this failed network desperately seeks new investors, it must eat at liberals across the country – especially those currently or previously involved with the station – that conservative radio continues to thrive, even in a “progressive” area like San Francisco. And, since they can’t succeed in this medium through fair competition, they must feel that sending complaint letters to sponsors is the next best thing.
What should we expect from folks that shout “fraud” and waste millions of taxpayer dollars on futile recounts every time they lose an election?
On the flipside, there is no getting around the partisanship being expressed on KSFO’s “Morning Show.” These folks are quite conservative, and voice strong opinions against the Clintons, Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, et al. On any given weekday, cherry-picked snippets of their four-hour broadcast can easily be isolated and presented as evidence of hate speech to those looking for it.
It seems quite likely the same could be said of any talk radio program in any city in the nation, including Air America. Of course, it is safe to assume that Spocko, Stark, and Brock aren’t sending letters to that outlet’s sponsors.
In the end, this isn’t at all about hate speech, or racist fear mongering. Those are red herrings. This is about ideological warfare, and the liberals aren’t happy that their efforts to control the battlefield known as talk radio, much as they do television, have all fallen by the wayside.
Live long and prosper, KSFO – even if just to continue educating and irritating Bay Area liberals.
—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.





Imus: "I was – I tried to imagine how various members of the current administration would behave were they subjected to the gallows as Saddam Hussein was. Um, and I can see Rumsfeld –" 









Comments Policy
Should I admit that I got EVE
January 15, 2007 - 03:29 ET by Warner Todd HustonShould I admit that I got EVERY one of those Star Trek references?!
Warner
January 15, 2007 - 03:47 ET by Noel SheppardWarner,
Sure. Why not? I got them all, too. :-) ns
An interesting coincidence
January 15, 2007 - 15:10 ET by nkviking75On TVLand today the net is airing the most reviled of any Star Trek episode, "Spock's Brain". A group of aliens steals Spock's Brain, yet somehow he lives until Dr. McCoy can reinstall it again. (It will air again tonight [1/15], if you want to laugh at truly bad TV.) Sounds like Spocko suffered the same fate, except there's no Enterprise crew to find his brain again.
Arrested 236 times? Maybe t
January 15, 2007 - 03:45 ET by sarcasmoArrested 236 times? Maybe there should be minimum mandatories (the real reason nobody-mentions that this guy's been released so damn many times is to make room for drug "criminals") for auto-theft? (And yes, for the record I got all the Trek-references, too -- so we're all nerds here!)
JMR
Let me add I am quite familiar with KSFO and agree 100%.
January 15, 2007 - 04:08 ET by acaiguanaLet me add I am quite familiar with KSFO and agree 100%.
I've been waiting for the Democrats and Nuts on the Left to make their move. Sounds to me like they are up to their usual tricks of hiding who they are behind the race and 'hate' cards.
Lee can be a bit 'heavy metal' occasionally, but I have never ever heard him disparage a person due to race. I have never heard Melanie go to racism or hatred.
The line about withdrawing advertising doesn't really stifle freedom of speech, just the paid support of it is quite funny. Can't win on the battlefield of ideas; have to start name calling, distorting factual reality and fundamentally lie about people to achieve an end.
Oh, and did I add, stifling freedom of speech? But, it's a time-honored tradition in American politics to go after sponsors of shows and boycott advertisers. From my experience all the sponsors of KSFO also sponsor other Conservative markets and know exactly what audience they are targeting. I'm not afraid of this aspect.
I am afraid, however, that these 'nuts' think they can win by legislating speech through the 'equal time' clauses they want to impose on the blogosphere and the radio universe.
Sounds like a Liberal to me.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
blarsen
January 15, 2007 - 13:33 ET by blarsenI don't see this as a liberal/conservative issue. The courts are supposed to be bipartisan. In my state we have an conservative activist judge who appears at anti-abortion rallys and visits prisons to coddle sex offenders. I've heard him on conservative radio and there's no mistaking his political bent.
Now, let's see if you're really in favor of free speech. I read the context of the car theif remark by Lee and there's nothing in the context that makes this acceptable. Here's the test: take out the word 'criminal' , 'car theif' or whatever and insert the name Randy 'Duke' Cunningham. There's a guy who has a lot of convictions and have it coming out of the mouth of Al Franken and see if you feel the same way.
blarsen
January 15, 2007 - 15:20 ET by Noel Sheppardblarsen,
Forgive me, and with all due respect, your post is the height of bias and disingenuity.
Randy Cunningham, prior to serving in Congress, represented this nation in the Navy for 21 years. After that, he served our country as a U.S. House representative for 15 years.
Today, he is serving an eight-year, four-month sentence in jail -- which included the payment of a $1.8 million fine -- after pleading guilty to mail fraud, wire fraud, and tax evasion.
Once again, he is in jail. By contrast, Holder, having committed 236 known criminal acts, is not. How do you with any sense of reason or impartiality compare the two?
I am breathless with antici........pation. ns
You missed my point. I'm no
January 15, 2007 - 23:53 ET by blarsenYou missed my point. I'm not questioning whether or not he should be in jail.He should, and with his track record I'm sure he'll be in sooner than later. My point was that Lee Rodgers suggested putting electrodes on his genitals before blowing his head off.
How can I compare the two. Simple--they're both criminals. But I'll take Cunningham out of the equation and say if Al Franken had suggested attaching electrodes to ANYONE'S genitals followed by blowing their head off, the left would NEVER hear the end of it.
Wrong....the "left"
January 15, 2007 - 23:58 ET by BlondeWrong....the "left" would have never heard it...nor commented upon it. Because your darling Al Franken would have been the one to suggest it.
Hence, it would have been dead silence.
blarsen
January 16, 2007 - 00:24 ET by Noel Sheppardblarsen,
I disagree. If Franken would have satirically suggested that this man have electrodes attached to his testicles, I would have laughed my head off.
It's called satire. Ever heard of it? ns
Yeah right
January 16, 2007 - 00:54 ET by man_from_outer_spaceYes, you guys are such light-hearted imps when it comes to Franken and satire.
http://newsbusters.org/node/2424
Eeeeewwwww......An ugly Spiff
January 16, 2007 - 01:02 ET by BlondeEeeeewwwww......
An ugly Spiffster clone.
MFOS
January 16, 2007 - 01:05 ET by Noel SheppardMFOS,
I see from the adminstrator functions that you came here from the Media Matters website. Anything you'd like to tell the class concerning your affiliations?
Regardless, the point of the previous poster was Franken making a joke about a criminal having his testicles attached to a DieHard battery, and how conservatives might respond. He didn't address Franken making comments about Bush adminstration officials being executed for treason. Do you see a difference? ns
Lotsa Luck, Noel.(BTW....hope
January 16, 2007 - 01:10 ET by BlondeLotsa Luck, Noel.
(BTW....hope your Fla. vacation was everything you hoped it would be...)
Blonde
January 16, 2007 - 01:12 ET by Noel SheppardB,
It was better. As you know, the weather was spectacular -- as I promised it would be. We had a blast!!!
BTW -- What's a Spiffster? ns
Noel....Who promised whom abo
January 16, 2007 - 01:18 ET by BlondeNoel....
Who promised whom about the weather? Glad you had fun.
P.S. Would you kindly return the cool weather? It's a selfish thing to take it back with you, you know!
Blonde
January 16, 2007 - 01:22 ET by Noel SheppardB,
I'm sorry. Someone told me that the weather was not going to be good when I got to Florida. I thought it was you. Forgive me if I was wrong. :-) ns
Noel
January 16, 2007 - 01:31 ET by BlondeActually, Noel....I told you to bring your raincoat.....we'd had a bunch of, um, yucky weather prior to your arrival.
You, my friend, believed in the weather guessers.....must be that California luck, or somesuch. Call me crazy.
But please, Noel.....send me back the cool weather. Or you can't come back! ;-0
B
January 16, 2007 - 01:36 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Can't do it. In an el Nino year, Florida stays hot during the winter. Nothing I or Al Gore can do about it! Sorry. :-) ns
Okay, Noel....That's it.....I
January 16, 2007 - 01:39 ET by BlondeOkay, Noel....
That's it.....
I'm joining BT's class action suit agains manbearpig.
But I still want you to return the cool weather. Not nice to visit and make off with it!
B
January 16, 2007 - 01:41 ET by Noel SheppardB,
Well, as long as you don't join Sarc's war on the war on drugs! :-)
BTW -- I didn't bring cold weather to Florida. However, as you might have noticed, I certainly brought it to CA! ns
If anyone, left or right, h
January 16, 2007 - 00:35 ET by JerryIf anyone, left or right, had suggested tasering this criminal's genitals, conservatives would have no problem with the person making that statement, and Liberals would decry it.
If anyone suggested tasering a Christian's genitals, liberals would have no problem with the person making that statement, and conservatives would decry it.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Best work yet. Thoroughly wri
January 15, 2007 - 05:19 ET by FairlightBest work yet. Thoroughly written and engaging as usual. Liberals can only dream of having someone as eloquent as NS writing for them.
I agree with Fairlight, that
January 15, 2007 - 05:42 ET by USA4freedomI agree with Fairlight, that was some post. Great Job NOEL!
America is best described by one word, freedom... Dwight D. Eisenhower
Support KSFO
January 15, 2007 - 06:01 ET by Jack BauerPlease also note that the color of Holder’s skin was not addressed by any of the radio personalities involved in this segment. Yet, in his letter, Spocko implied that race was an issue in the broadcast in question.
Thanks to Al Gore inventing the Internet, I listen to the guys everyday, because it's the best damn morning show on the planet.
(And because they do and have read out many of my emails as their 'London correspondent', just to declare an interest.)
If you want to hear real conservatives everyday (like Lee Rodgers) you have to tune in and support them as they fight and win the good fight on the moonbats home turf.
As far as Lee knew when he made those comments the guy could have been a person of exterme pallor and a Grand Wizard of the KKK.
Lee, Mel and OV have highly articulate and impressive African-American guests on the show, like Professor Walter Williams and Thomas Sowell. But, because they are consevatives who don't play racist baiting games or slaver over "white-guilt trippers" they don't count to plantation libz.
The only persons obsessed with race are Mike Stark-Raving-Mad and the Trekkie.
Stark, of course, is the guttersnipe who used the "N" word to Senator George Allen, and screamed at him "do you still spit on your wife." Nice guy, huh?
Listen to Lee Rodgers/Melanie Morgan 5am-9am PST on the web at www.ksfo.com. Thank you Al Gore.
Great report Noel.
All this is, is the usual tactic of commies and socialists (commies in drag) to close down ANYONE who doesn't toe their stinking, putrid line. It's that simple. And that direct.
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Thanks for the link Jack. I c
January 15, 2007 - 12:57 ET by JPR1Thanks for the link Jack. I connected in two shakes and within about a minute I'm hearing Melanie mentioning Newsbusters and Noels piece! Technology is grand indeed.
Outstanding work Noel. As food for thought this is a feast!
JPR -- my pleasure. And thank
January 15, 2007 - 13:08 ET by Jack BauerJPR -- my pleasure. And thanks to Al for making it possible by inventing the Internet, and man-made global warming
Tune in tomorrow for the star of the show Lee Rodgers, he only does Tues-Fri.
He was dragooned into doing the Friday show against his will really, and he will be quite testy. It's gonna be a blast. I'm sure you will have never heard libz ripped so much on air, so articulately and so relentlessly.
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Hearing libz ripped on the ai
January 15, 2007 - 13:31 ET by JPR1Hearing libz ripped on the air...don't get too much of that here in Se MN so I will check in.
Oh and the global warming thing.. I think it's been called off; we finally have 10 deg temps and 5 in of snow. I'm not sure, but I think bigtimer had something to do with this!
KSFO is an excellent radio source
January 15, 2007 - 13:58 ET by tumbler_2007Dear Jack,
I listen to KSFO almost daily; mostly Rush Limbaugh. In the eves I like the weatherman whatisname. Good conservatives.
Hannity isn't that exciting, but OK; and last of all, I say about Melany Morgan, Lee Rodgers:
An awful show. Good conservatives who give conservatism a bad name, IMHO. Not because of their views, ordinarily. Just the awful impression they THEMSELVES make. They have great callers, Mark Levin et al, who could fault them?
Lee is way over the top almost every day. Melanie is charming in her own way; a fine lady. However, I find she fawns on Rodgers' every remark and always gives an approving cherkle at every lame joke he makes. Hero worship, I guess. But the guy's so offensive over time. Nothing but raw meat, pretentious bravo-bashing, untasteful crap. And he's mostly on target. He's a right-wing attack dog, par excellence. I don't fault him for that. But it's very stale, day after day.
He's the antithesis to Rush Beau; our bombast-and-courage icon of the Right, who can be cheerful and sweet all the while serving up startling wisdom. You can't find ANY fault. Because Rush has a flair for discussion without acting hateful. I wish Lee could be more like that. You get the impression Lee can't laugh at himself. He's his own Icon of the Right; always pontificating, without a trace of self-effacement. No humor at all, if you leave out the mean-spirited zingers. I have to turn him off, as often as not. He's just not amusing. Nevertheless, in a zone such as the SF/Sacramento market, it's great to have KFSO; although I feel actually sorry for the fruits, nuts & flakes of the Bay Area. (But, oh well- after all, most of them there like being buggered. )
Don't agree. Especially wit
January 15, 2007 - 16:18 ET by Jack BauerDon't agree. Especially with your take on Mel and Lee. And the listening figures agree with them, not you.
(But I know exactly why you're saying this, because of the voluminous post battles you have with others about ONE subject.)
Anywhos, Mel has spent the past three years defending President Bush from an increasingly annoyed Lee. They have plenty of entertaining spats, on air, on the subject.
Lee's bugbear being being that President Bush is NOT a conservative. Never has been. Never will be. And that the Republican party never really acted and worked as if they were the majority party. Now they ain't.
But then she is mainstream conservative Republican, whereas Lee voted for President Bush through gritted teeth. Twice, as he says all the time.
(And, of course, Melanie Morgan is the Mother of the Recall, being that she initiated and LED the amazing recall battle to get rid of Gray Davies.)
Though it has become evident over the past months that even Mel has thrown in the towel over the President's inability to articulate a strategy for WINNING in Iraq, apart from pious nation building platitudes he mocked during his first run.
Now we have the outrage of the US border guards being set up and jailed by the Bush Justice Department. As you can imagine, that unforgiveable act is not going down well with the guys.
And if you don't think OV isn't one of the funniest guys on the radio, then I don't know what happed to your sense of humor.
The KSFO Morning Show is fantastic radio. IMHO.
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dear jack bauer
January 15, 2007 - 16:43 ET by tumbler_2007Believe me; my attitude isn't just based on their expressions of disgust for illegal aliens, sometimes aired (mostly by LR,) as much as the manner of lashing out. He and the others even HERE, are all within their rights to play up the seriousness of a protestation, and even to be unkind about it. The substance may be defensible. Not the hatred.
And, a program like Lee Rodgers' is popular; I can't complain. I simply dislike the rhetoric. I often agree with what these guys say. The awful fact that a lot of what's being stressed is of minor importance for such mean broadsides is never apparent to us on the Right. We feel angry. I really have no bone to pick about what's said over the border guards incidents. What's happening is definitely reprehensible. --I say back off those two agents.
But here in this blogsite the other day, somebody said the Mexican government was enabling the smuggling and the reckless disregard of every offender. That's not true. So that, attacking me the messenger, when I say that, doesn't reflect well on our people here. They fly off the handle at me, as if only they can speak out. That's the nature of this open forum. You have it in your power to hate the messenger and call him detestable. He's not a human being. The other night another one blithely stated to me: "Nobody likes you." Oh? What did I do? She said, "You're the nastiest person I ever met."
This was in direct answer to my BLESSING upon her, when I wished her God's love and protection! Go figure. Come to think about it, you're about the only one who never tees off at me. The reason the others all do? -- I don't defame and belittle the illegal alien. Only one view is acceptable here, HATE them. Right now; if I state a contrary opinion about Lee Rodgers, it makes me a liberal? Aren't we all Americans?
If the Mexican government isn
January 16, 2007 - 00:41 ET by UnsaneIf the Mexican government isn't aiding and abetting the smuggling of people across the border, please explain the brochures they publish warning those migrating north of dangers they will encounter in the desert while walking across it to head north, or why boxcars full of people have been found in the United States in the summer of some years (often full of dead people because boxcars get quite hot in the summer in TX and other border states). I am guessing the authorities south of us didn't bother checking such methods of smuggling.
Perhaps the Mexican government is doing that because while the #1 source of income for Mexico is oil, the #2 source are remittances. Perhaps it also feels that it is easier to have people emigrate than to carry out the needed reforms necessary to make the country the First World nation it CAN and SHOULD be.
Finally: I don't hate anybody, but if your first act upon entering the United States is to break the law, you need to be shown the door. Simple as that.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
to answer unsane
January 16, 2007 - 12:54 ET by tumbler_2007Your words:
"If the Mexican government isn't aiding and abetting the smuggling of people across the border, please explain the brochures they publish warning those migrating north of dangers,"
Your premise is flawed, that's all. A pamphlet issued to Mexican citizens related to the dangers some of them expose themselves to--
Is not an encouragement. It can well serve as discouragement-- and surely has been discouraging to many would-be violaters. The fact that Mexico understands some will attempt it, and they aren't summarily STOPPED by that gov't, is easily explained: They live in a free country. Their gov't is not authorized by law to stop a citizen from leaving the country.
I understand your disappointment in that government. However, making up false accusations against them is not the way to debate. Stick to facts. And, when you state categorically, "Show them the door!" you aren't opposing anything I say. I also recommend the deportation of all offenders. Let's see, then-- HOW it's done.
You tell me to "stick to
January 17, 2007 - 03:15 ET by UnsaneYou tell me to "stick to the facts". I indeed stuck to the facts, you are merely contorting them as much as possible in order to be an apologist for a foreign government. If these pamphlets are there to discourage people from heading north, why do they include safety tips for getting through the desert? How come Mexican border officials aren't making an effort to stop this migration northward - if, for any other reason, out of concern for public safety?
Could it be that (another fact you find very unpleasant, I am sure) the Mexican government is reliant to a great extent on that #2 source of income for the economy: remittances from abroad?
Oh, and indeed, even in this free country, I can be stopped from going abroad. My passport is the property of the United States government and they can revoke it if they wish (naturally, they have to have a reason to do it, but they can revoke it). Borders can be closed at anytime: you MAY remember that the borders were closed in response to 11 September 2001? Finally, when crossing the border into Canada, it was not Canadian authorities that stopped me first upon crossing: it was American law enforcement authorities that subjected me to a battery of questions.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Debunked.
January 16, 2007 - 00:58 ET by man_from_outer_spaceAl Gore never claimed he "invented the internet". Debunked by snopes long ago.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
What a boring humorless twe
January 16, 2007 - 09:48 ET by Jack BauerWhat a boring humorless twerp you are.
The consensus is that Al Gore invented the Internet. That makes it true.
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"During my service in the United States Congress,..."
January 16, 2007 - 09:58 ET by acaiguana"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet"
OK, OK, he didn't invent it. He created it.
Sheesh!
Way to go Al.
You know, I'm someone who has a history with the Internet and I resent this maroon's comment. And the hair-splitting from the Urban Legend site doesn't diminish his silly claim.
Let's parse this a bit.
"During my service in the United States Congress..."
Yeah, right up there with carrying a real rifle in a real war.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
First off I want to say that
January 15, 2007 - 06:02 ET by DingoFirst off I want to say that this was a great post Noel. Good Job on covering all the angles and helping to bring the truth to light.
With that said, truth seems to be something the Democrats have a problem with. They spout off lies which the media never holds them accountable for. They also seek to muffle anyone who has a differing opinion then they do. How many times have conservatives like Ann Coulter been yelled over at speeches and other events. This kind of activity is reminiscent of the Nazi brown shirts and their attacks on groups that didn't agree with Hitler's philosophy. The Democrats have failed miserably in their own attempts at radio and now seek to bring down the competition through nefarious means. This is the tool of the weak who look at others' success and seek to bring them down to their level of incompetence. Ultimately people like Spocko when they are confronted with the light of truth, they are shown for who they really are, cowards.
-Vote Democrat, it's easier than working
How very Stalinist of the l
January 15, 2007 - 06:27 ET by American InfidelHow very Stalinist of the liberals. Anyone else here wish liberals hated the terrorists half as much as they hate Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity?
Oh, and why can't they be happy with abc, nbc, cbs, cnn, msnbc, cnbc, pbs, npr, nyt, wp, newsweek, and time?
We've finally given liberals a war against fundamentalism, and they don't want to fight it. They would, except it would put them on the same side as the United States. Ann Coulter
I'm not a big hate fan. But just a little would be nice.
January 15, 2007 - 06:29 ET by acaiguanaI'm not a big hate fan. But just a little would be nice for the Liberals for our enemy.
Don't hold your breath.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.
We're their enemies... al qae
January 15, 2007 - 08:13 ET by Andrew H.We're their enemies... al qaeda is a mystery to many of these people. Wouldn't it be good for more of them to understand there are people who want to kill us? To the left, the ten commandments place in the public square is more dangerous.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
AI, you have raised a good
January 15, 2007 - 08:27 ET by WolfremAI, you have raised a good point here. (Personally, I have referred to the "news" outlets you have mentioned as Pravda for years.) To answer your last question, ANY dissent is INTOLERATED by the liberals, especially in the past few years. And Stalinist is exactly what they have been turning this country into.
Is it not interesting though that the liberals have all of these "news" outlets you have mentioned to get their message out. Conservatives have FOX News, a handful of talk radio hosts and blogs. Yet the nation is polarized at roughly 50/50. If conservatives would have more mainstream outlets then the polarization shift would be catastrophic to liberals. Thus, we see the underhanded attacks to silence the voice of the competition, or "dissent" in their view.
"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana
Another minor example how the
January 15, 2007 - 08:09 ET by Andrew H.Another minor example how the left works to take freedom away.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Article
January 15, 2007 - 09:37 ET by sithkhanWonderfully composed article. I really enjoyed reading. Twice. Thanks for the contextual issues and evidence. I look forward to your next piece!
Great article!
January 15, 2007 - 11:06 ET by CelumnazAgreed! Thank you so very much for writing this.
Me thinks somebody has been w
January 15, 2007 - 10:46 ET by Dave RMe thinks somebody has been watching maybe a little too much Star Trek?
:-^)
This really isn't a new tactic for our friends on the left. Around here they have been writing the station management and the sponsors of the Neal Boortz Show for years, long before his show went national, in a vain attempt to somehow get him yanked off the air. Needless to say, it hasn't come close to working for them, as his show commands advertising rates that are beyond confiscatory, or so I have read.
Sometimes Neal will post the letters on his site and/or read them on the air. The factual errors contained in those letters are hilarious, to say the least. Many of our friends on the left have, shall we say, vivid imaginations.
Business owners aren't stupid. I cannot speak for the Bay Area or California in general, as I ain't from there, but in this part of the world, the majority of business owners lean toward the conservative side. They want to reach audiences who might actually buy their product, or at least have the means to do so. As such they seek to advertise on shows listened to by people that actually have jobs.
If you had a product to sell, wouldn't you?
Stark writes: "Let’s s
January 15, 2007 - 11:34 ET by ThisnThatStark writes: "Let’s see if anyone in the mainstream media cares. Sadly they have a hard time writing about people who want them dead." Who has actually threatened the MSM with death? Could it be terrorists of the Muslim persuasion? Hmmmmmmm??? And does the MSM write about these threats? Hmmmmmm???
In this instance, I agree with Stark 100%.
Are these the same people who
January 15, 2007 - 11:37 ET by Chris NormanAre these the same people who whine about the speech rights of the Dixie Chicks being stifled?
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Noel
January 15, 2007 - 12:30 ET by iveseenitallThanks for this blog Noel. You get an A+. Writing like this goes a long way to convince anyone who might still be waffling about modern liberals -- they are nasty, vindictive, sneaky hypocrites who want to stiffle free speech, as Chris Norman points out. Keep up the good work.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
isia,In the Chicks' case, the
January 15, 2007 - 12:41 ET by Chris Normanisia,
In the Chicks' case, they offended their conservative fans, with their anti-Bush / War rants. No concerted organized effort to boycott them occurred. What these people are trying to do goes way beyond what happened to the Chicks. This plot (there's no better way to describe this effort) is as ugly as anything that's happened since Nazi Germany...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
Thanks
January 15, 2007 - 12:57 ET by iveseenitallThanks for that post, Chris. I'm so glad you see it for what it is. Sometimes in this world you question yourself ( a good thing to do) and wonder if you're the only one who spys the true evil out there. I believe it's worse than most people think.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Chris,Can you say fairness do
January 15, 2007 - 13:20 ET by Dave RChris,
Can you say fairness doctrine?
And that is just the beginning.
Fairness doctrine
January 15, 2007 - 13:33 ET by mastersofdeceitDave your link doesn't look like it's working.
But here's a good one (a little long) The plot to Shush Rush and O'Reilly.
Sorry
January 15, 2007 - 13:40 ET by Dave RSorry. Its probably me.
Since Boortz has been all over this issue, you can go here and do a search if your interested. Neal always has some interesting angles on this topic.
See what happens when I try do do something nice for my fellow NB'rs?
BTW> Noel, great post here. You really did your homework on this one. And a few other people's homework, too.
Sorry I boogered up your thread. :-(
Kucinich threatens to pass Fairness Doctrine
January 15, 2007 - 15:22 ET by nkviking75In the Net News section of the radio industry website AllAccess.com (membership required), there's a report that Dennis Kucinich is threatening to hold hearings on the Fairness Doctrine. Here's an excerpt: