Dennis Miller Takes on Sickening Media Mantra Regarding WMD and Bin Laden

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By Noel Sheppard (Bio | Archive)
January 14, 2007 - 14:59 ET

In this age of continual polling 24/7 about issues that largely support liberal positions advanced by a complicit media, I’d love to see someone ask the American people if they’re sick and tired of the constant carping and whining by the press concerning the absence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and the inability to capture Osama bin Laden.

Well, it seems that Fox News contributor Dennis Miller is similarly fed up with this amazing hypocrisy, and he let viewers know this in his hysterical “Real Free Speech” comment on Friday’s “Hannity & Colmes.” So, strap yourself into your favorite comfy chair, secure all beverages, flammables, and sharp objects, and join Dennis on a wild ride into post-9/11 sanity (video available here courtesy of our friend at Ms Underestimated):

Folks, as I'm out and about during the day, I'm oft times drawn into a chat with a nonbeliever, concerning the war on terror, and surprisingly, the two chestnuts I hear the most are the two with the most cobwebs on them. Where are the weapons and where is bin Laden?

And the answer, of course, is that bin Laden has the weapons on him, and he's gone off the grid after moving into an apartment with Kevin Federline: 14:57, 14:58, 14:59.

All right, class, once again, as far as the weapon go, Clinton thought Saddam Hussein had them. Kerry thought he had them. Our phoniest friends in France thought he had them, as did our savviest allies, the Mossad.

Now just as some strident feminists still believe the world is just one big hectoring Virginia Slims ad, Bush haters constantly spawn upstream to the WMD assertion in some perverse "Groundhog Day" scenario, where they rise each and every dawn and start parroting the same whiny refrain.

SEN. EDWARD KENNEDY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: The weapons of mass destruction weren't there.

MILLER: The whole world thought Saddam had weapons. He wouldn't play ball. And we couldn't have a perpetual scimitar of Damocles hanging over our heads, so we went in and we took a look.

And guess what? When Saddam Hussein arrived in hell last week and was given his own access laminate, even Hitler chided him a little for what has to go down as the worst bluff ever in the history of the universe.

Now as far as bin Laden goes, who knows and who cares? If he is still alive, I'm pretty sure at this point, death must look like a promotion to him as he fires up his yak-powered dialysis machine each morning and eats a little lichen off the cave wall.

I happen to think bin Laden is dead and al Qaeda uses him the same way that Leo G. Carroll used the imaginary George Kaplan in the great film "North by Northwest".

Now, I know the CIA says it is his voice on the tapes. But when that assertion was first made, George "Slam-dunk" Tenet was still helming the operation, and he was the very definition of oblivious. To this day, Tenet doesn't know that Jim J. Bullock is gay.

JIM J. BULLOCK, ACTOR: You're kidding (ph).

MILLER: Hey, folks, this is just the beginning of this war on terror. We're already stuck in the past. Let's get on with it. We've passed go already. We've collected our $200. Let's give that money and our support to the best troops on the planet so they can go and flatten the enemy.

And then the rest of us can conduct an immediate post mortem to determine exactly when and where we misplaced our cojones.

Back to you, Gable and Lombard.

Bravo, Dennis!

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters.


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"Who cares" where Osama bin L

January 14, 2007 - 15:38 ET by balboa

"Who cares" where Osama bin Laden is? Shouldn't we all?

Yes, I will assert that it is

January 14, 2007 - 15:42 ET by PeskyDane

Yes, I will assert that it is rather frustrating that we can't seem to find the 7 foot diabetic walking around the wasteland. That being said, dead or alive, he has been rendered tactically inert.

Or tactically inept.  Either

January 14, 2007 - 15:48 ET by Blonde

Or tactically inept.  Either way.

Well Blonde, when the mortars

January 14, 2007 - 15:51 ET by PeskyDane

Well Blonde, when the mortars miss you by 300 meters... sheesh. 

PD,He's in Iraq?  Call the M

January 14, 2007 - 15:57 ET by Blonde

PD,

He's in Iraq?  Call the MsM.

I think we need the CIA to ma

January 14, 2007 - 16:05 ET by Conservative in the Arts

I think we need the CIA to make a tape with a look-a-like of saying how wrong he was to take on America. Then he'll praise George Bush for being such a warrior and that Bush had won. Put that tape all over the news and the very next day Harry Reid, John Kerry and Nancy Pelosy, and Teddy, Murtha will all denounce the tape as a fake and they know it's a fake.

Then, we go to our "secrete NSA spying program" and back trace the phone calls from our Dem freinds and find out just where he is! Or, just check out Ted's guest house in Kennybunk port.

OK, now THAT's inspired!

January 14, 2007 - 16:12 ET by PeskyDane

OK, now THAT's inspired!

Good point, however there a

January 14, 2007 - 16:27 ET by happyuscitizen

Good point, however there are those individuals, not USA team players, whose sense of fair play would compel them to leak your plan to the MSM as soon as possible.

"I'm just a big fat hairy American Winning Machine!" - Ricky Bobby

CITA,You are correct sir!I'm

January 14, 2007 - 16:30 ET by Blonde

CITA,

You are correct sir!

I'm betting Teddy's guest house.

If not the actual hide out....at least as a source of inspiration for Al Queda.

Hilarious!

January 16, 2007 - 01:16 ET by man_from_outer_space

You guys are so morally bankrupt, you don't want to catch the guy who actually had everything to do with 9-11.

You would apparently rather say insipid little jokes aimed at Democrats than point any feeble fingers in the direction of our beloved leader.

Republicans are truly lost on this issue.

Bush/Kennedy

January 14, 2007 - 17:08 ET by john ryan

The Bush's own property in Kennybunkport . But I agree with you check the guest house of the Bush's.

So, you're on Bin Laden's side, I see.

January 14, 2007 - 18:52 ET by acaiguana

So, you're on Bin Laden's side, I see.

You hate Bush so much that you think this is cute?

You hate Bush so much that you think there is some connection between Bush an Bin Laden?  You hate Bush so much you are willing to root for the US to lose.

You're really beyond comment here, but I'm commenting.  If you were sitting in front of me, I'd spit in your face just like you spit in the fact of our Soldiers in Maine.

I'd spit you out of the door.

ACA

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Bush haters have no where els

January 14, 2007 - 19:09 ET by Andrew H.

Bush haters have no where else to go... they hate conservatives and it seems, this country defending itself.  May they always be but a blemish on oour landscape!

Liberalism is a convenient lie.

Let's Check Your House First

January 14, 2007 - 20:37 ET by emjem24

john ryan, let's check your house first. I'm sure we'll find lots of subversive, anti-American stuff.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

If he had to pick a house gue

January 14, 2007 - 22:20 ET by AntiMedia

If he had to pick a house guest it would be Bin Laden over Bush.

I wish. Would love to give hi

January 14, 2007 - 16:08 ET by PeskyDane

I wish. Would love to give him the "Lisa Beamer sends her regards," line right before I squeeze off a round into his head. I'll just have to take comfort in the fact that I and my fellas here get sleep nice and cozy tonight while he's shivering on a pile of rocks infront of a smelly tiny mule poop fire somewhere in the Pakistani hinerlands.

To be candid, I think The Almighty has already given him the Lisa Beamer line right before he tossed him on the barbecue.

Here's hoping, Pesky.

January 14, 2007 - 16:11 ET by Blonde

Here's hoping, Pesky.

At odds

January 16, 2007 - 01:32 ET by man_from_outer_space

Your remarks are clearly at odds with President Bush.  The President originally wanted bin laden "dead or alive".  I was with him then.

Six months later The President changed his tune abruptly:

" Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him.  And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure.  And, again, I don't know where he is.  I  --  I'll repeat what I said.  I truly am not that concerned about him.  I know he is on the run.  I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country.  I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban..."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

It is an injustice to the victims of 9-11 that bin laden flouts us openly by his very freedom and our President doesn't seem to care about that.  I think that is the biggest single problem I have with the current administration.

If you truly want to catch bin laden as I do, you should understand that the current administration just is "not all that concerned about him".

To the Fake Spaceman

January 16, 2007 - 01:43 ET by Blonde

I could hardly care what you would say.

Next time, little troll, consider exactly to whom you are replying.

I was replying to a friend, and, if you had a clue, you'd know my friend was in a position to do something about everything.

So save it, for someone who cares one IOTA  about what you may or may not have to say.

BTW....in case you didn't understand....

That would not be me.

Next time

January 16, 2007 - 01:58 ET by man_from_outer_space

Next time you care so little,  please just spare me the reply.  It should be easy considering how little you say you care.   I will know to strike up a conversation with someone else better able to converse.

The more you reply, the less I am inclined to believe your protests.

Thanks

:)

Questions for the OBL obsessive, again

January 16, 2007 - 04:44 ET by Unsane

I know this will sound redundant, but as long as these Leftists keep bringing it up...

My first point is a simple one. We aren't looking for OBL? I'll be sure to tell some friends of mine currently deployed to Bagram, Kandahar, and Bishkek this. They sure would be surprised to hear this.

Second point: what specifically will finding OBL SOLVE beyond bloodlust? You DO realize that someone else who hates America as much as he does WILL take his place, correct? No, you don't. You want OBL caught so that you and your Leftist fellow travelers can loudly declare "WORLD PEACE! Rose gardens are spontaneously bloming EVERYWHERE! I guess we don't need a military now! Let's build the biggest, nicest Nanny State the world has ever known!!!"

Third point: Where were all you Leftists in the 1980s when Abu Nidal was out and about? Were you guys all demanding we stop the Cold War, withdraw from Europe, and invade the Middle East to find Abu Nidal? (Nah. But you WERE demanding we unilaterally withdraw from Europe to show the Soviets just how super-nice we were in the United States.)

I wait with baited breath as you address these issues.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Sure, the President of the

January 16, 2007 - 07:22 ET by Jack Bauer

Sure, the President of the United States has to stake his entire reputation by making "getting" Bin Laden his #1 foreign policy objective.

Please, do grow up and get real.

That's just like FDR and Churchill made the killing of Hitler their #1 priority in WW2. Sure, that makes sense. And they even KNEW where he was.

And please, don't try any Bush blah with me as I'm not a supporter of the President on many issues.

I know you'd like to read the latest moves by U.S. Special Forces on the front pages of the New York Times, so as YOU can FEEL good. Even if it meant any secret operation to nail the bastard werre blown. Thats's the definition of patriotism to the left, broadcasting military secrets to the enemy.

Oh hang on a sec, that's exactly what the Times would do in a heart beat.

It would seem that any depth or lateral thinking is way beyond your thinking grade. Maybe it might filter across your mind that it isn't good policy for the CiC to publicly announce anything regarding Bin Laden. Except his longed for death.

Maybe after the heat and outrage at Bin Laden's boasting of killing 3000 Americans the President naturally made some statements he now he feels he should publicaly play down because he didn't want to end up in a Jimmah Carter like position.

But I suppose it's a least progress to find a leftoid who believes it was Bin Laden's organizations who carried out 9/11, and not President Bush.

You DO believe that don't ya? Or maybe you don't.

Maybe you're like the leftists who, after years of hatred for the CIA, suddenly decided they supported the Company for a few months last year. Pass me an onion so I can shed a tear.

Besides, Im looking forward to most liberals and Democrats starting to WORRY
about Bin Ladens's final demise again, as they do on every election cycle.

The headless panic by leftists and their media mates that Bin Laden may finally be
nailed in a Republican administration is a sight to behold -- and does nail the lie that they really care about getting Bin Laden anyway.

Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex

I'd be one of those guys clicking and clicking the automatic.

January 14, 2007 - 19:47 ET by acaiguana

I'd be one of those guys clicking and clicking the automatic.

You know those great TV scenes where the automatic keeps clicking?

ACA

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By popular request

January 14, 2007 - 16:02 ET by Unsane

I know this will sound redundant, but as long as these Leftists keep bringing it up...

My first point is a simple one. We aren't looking for OBL? I'll be sure to tell some friends of mine currently deployed to Bagram, Kandahar, and Bishkek this. They sure would be surprised to hear this.

Second point: what specifically will finding OBL SOLVE beyond bloodlust? You DO realize that someone else who hates America as much as he does WILL take his place, correct? No, you don't. You want OBL caught so that you and your Leftist fellow travelers can loudly declare "WORLD PEACE! Rose gardens are spontaneously bloming EVERYWHERE! I guess we don't need a military now! Let's build the biggest, nicest Nanny State the world has ever known!!!"

Third point: Where were all you Leftists in the 1980s when Abu Nidal was out and about? Were you guys all demanding we stop the Cold War, withdraw from Europe, and invade the Middle East to find Abu Nidal? (Nah. But you WERE demanding we unilaterally withdraw from Europe to show the Soviets just how super-nice we were in the United States.)

For some reason, Leftists are deeply troubled by these questions.  I say that because they always go unanswered. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???"  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

I truly wish your friends (an

January 14, 2007 - 16:16 ET by PeskyDane

I truly wish your friends (and my brother's in arms) Godspeed.  I do fear that they are looking for a body at this point.  I mean, how long is this guy supposed to last in the wilderness?  The one question I would love to have answered one day is how they managed to clean his kidneys out every other day for so long.

Shouldn't we want to capture

January 14, 2007 - 16:42 ET by balboa

Shouldn't we want to capture the guy who's head of the organization that caused 9/11? It won't be a "silver bullet" for terrorism, but he should be brought to justice.

I'm not saying we're not looking for him. I was just responding to Miller's comment.

And in the '80s I was in high school. :-)

[Deadpan] Yes, we should be l

January 14, 2007 - 16:49 ET by PeskyDane

[Deadpan] Yes, we should be looking for Usam Bin Laden.

BTW, "silver bullet&quot

January 14, 2007 - 16:53 ET by PeskyDane

BTW, "silver bullet"  is a term used to describe a specific weapon, tool, or method to get a narrowly focused job done.  I think the term you are searching for is "feather in our cap."

Touche, PD!

January 14, 2007 - 16:54 ET by Blonde

Touche, PD!

You know me, Blonde... when I

January 14, 2007 - 17:15 ET by PeskyDane

You know me, Blonde... when I get in that mood... LOL

Actually, I think the best te

January 14, 2007 - 18:45 ET by fossten

Actually, I think the best term would be Deus Ex Machina.

No, I meant "silver bullet."

January 14, 2007 - 19:01 ET by balboa

No, I meant "silver bullet."

Coors Light! (I just hope s

January 14, 2007 - 19:52 ET by sarcasmo

Coors Light! (I just hope someone else is watching the History Channel special on illegal drugs right now -- mentions of the tax and spend drugwar's racist roots? REPEATEDLY -- I've lost count, even!!! Sorry, "Unsane" but historical reality's shining thru today!)
JMR

Of course, what sarcasmo desp

January 15, 2007 - 01:13 ET by Unsane

Of course, what sarcasmo desperately wants to ignore is the fact that the countries that have decriminalized drug use all have something in common: they are ALL going nowhere.  Yes, historical reality does indeed shine through, in ways he will find unpleasant. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

What "Unsane" wa

January 15, 2007 - 03:34 ET by sarcasmo

What "Unsane" wants to ignore (see desperate-attempt at changing the subject above) is that the argument about drugwar-racism is now not just with me, but with The History Channel. Yep, you've got an inconvenient bonus-opponent, like it or not, along with anyone-else who doubted me WRT drugwar-racist-roots. Here's the show! Description: ..."But cocaine's allure quickly diminished as racism entered the picture--the concept of the "cocaine-crazed Negro" even led police to strengthen the caliber of their guns from .32 to .38. We'll see how, though it was outlawed in 1914, its popularity soared in the 1980s and '90s and gave birth to a deadlier form--crack."
JMR

Why I will never be a Libertarian

January 15, 2007 - 03:55 ET by Unsane

What "sarcasmo" wants is to bring up any excuse possible to legalize drugs.  You see, sarcasmo is overwhelmingly obsessed with drugs, and when racism doesn't work, he'll find another reason to whine about it, even to the point of hiding behind horrendous crimes to pursue his agenda.  To sarcasmo, drugs are his #1 burning issue, and he doesn't care if the United States ceases to progress and remain a cutting-edge civilization: he demands drugs get legalized NOW NOW NOW.  In fact, I'd say that he won't be happy until we have a Needle Park in every neighborhood and potheads dropping out of society as far as the eye can see. 

He'll accuse me of changing the subject, but the subject is drugs (the only thing sarcasmo thinks about, it seems), and I merely pointed out that the countries that have decriminalized it all have one little thing in common: ALL are going nowhere.  But sarcasmo does not care if the United States is the premier civilization on earth or not.  The only thing he cares about is if drugs are legal. 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

The subject is drugwar-raci

January 15, 2007 - 03:59 ET by sarcasmo

The subject is drugwar-racism. You're the one desperately-trying to change it rather than admit I was right all-along, so I'm admitting that FOR you. And I don't care if someone like you wants to be a libertarian, but it would be nice, for the sake of intellectual honesty and respect, if you'd admit the truth about the racist roots of the tax and spend drugwar now that I've given you even-more-evidence. Do as you will...
JMR

Actually, YOU inserted YOUR

January 15, 2007 - 04:21 ET by Unsane

Actually, YOU inserted YOUR drug war obsession in a thread about Dennis Miller taking Leftists to task to feed your attention addiction.  I really don't think you are a Libertarian so much as (pick one) 1) a crybaby who can't understand why limits are placed on anything or why societies have standards because it stops you from having a good time somehow, or 2) a true anarchist who despises the idea of government to begin with. 

If you didn't care whether I (or anyone else) is a Libertarian or not, why do you post here?  Probably your addiction to attention.  Amazingly, you then wonder why very few take Libertarians remotely seriously.  You can also spare me the lectures of intellectual honesty, considering you are bereft of such honesty, as evident by your complete failure to evaluate sources, declaring yourself the winner of debates (when that is really up to the reader of the board) and yelling "I am 1000% right and you know I am 1000% right!!!" (slight exaggerations by Unsane) at every opportunity. 

Again, why is it that the countries that have decriminalized drugs all share the characteristic of going absolutely nowhere?  Could it be that you, just like the Leftists, WANT America to regress and otherwise go nowhere?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Since it's 2:30 in the AM and I can't sleep, I'll jump in.

January 15, 2007 - 04:33 ET by acaiguana

Since it's 2:30 in the AM and I can't sleep, I'll jump in.

Sarc, Unsane has a good point here.  What's with the Drug War and the Dennis Miller take on the Lefty take on the War on Terror?

Seems a bit of a stretch to me.

My suggestion would be for you to put together a collage of the Drug issue from your POV; slam it over on the 'open forum' and let the debate go forward.  I'm not a big fan of the Drug War and I think the DEA is out of control and if the Lefty guys want to talk about government run amok (seizure of assets without recourse, stuffing of prisons with users and the inner-city gang problem that seems to get treated like the leaking of classified documents - nothing done) they should be taking on this group.

Having said all of that, you boys need to declare victory and cool it on these threads.  It's gotten old.

ACA

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Look, I saw it on the Histo

January 15, 2007 - 04:55 ET by sarcasmo

Look, I saw it on the History Channel and there's no Open Thread around without 2 pages, so for maximum Unsane-hysteria effect (hey, it worked, didn't it?) I posted here. Deal with it, my point about me being right about drugwar-racism history still stands, in spite of various people wishing I would not say it or would not say it here/now I said it. Want to argue about drugwar-racism-roots? Your argument's now with the History Channel, not sarcasmo-alone anymore. (And by the way, before Dennis became supershill for the Republicans and shut-up about it, he used to make fun of the drugwar just like me!)
JMR

Have you been drinking?

January 15, 2007 - 05:04 ET by acaiguana

Have you been drinking?

I said forum.  Not thread.  I'm trying to point out that you are becoming a bit of a bore derailing threads here.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

Only coffee. And I repeat,

January 15, 2007 - 05:07 ET by sarcasmo

Only coffee. And I repeat, as far as you're concerned, I'll post what I want, when I want, and where I want here, so you're going to need to deal with it until you turn magically into Matthew Sheffield. Try, for a change, a focus on YOU....
JMR

What's with the Matthew Sheffield deal?

January 15, 2007 - 05:13 ET by acaiguana

What's with the Matthew Sheffield deal?

I criticize your consistent interjection of stuff that has nothing to do with a) Media Bias on-topic and b) the discussion at hand.  You respond to me with Matthew Sheffield?

This site has room for discussions of your ideas.  Just use it.

Speaking of getting over something, I think you need a mirror.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

Oh, just a forgotten concep

January 15, 2007 - 05:18 ET by sarcasmo

Oh, just a forgotten concept called property-rights. I'd listen to him (and ask him for a new Open Thread) not you on this issue. You just don't like these inconvenient facts on drugwar-racism because it's apparently tough for some people to say it when other people in a debate were right (see above). I've been teaching remedial history on drugwar-racism for a long time, it's about time The History Channel got aboard!
JMR

I could be a little idealisti

January 15, 2007 - 14:53 ET by Unsane

I could be a little idealistic, but I was under the impression that property rights ended as soon as it was seen those who own the property are posing a threat to the property owners around him.  Cry and scream like a two year old all you want, and make all of the excuses you'd like, but societies operate with these things called limits.  Deal with it, as you so love to tell others.

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

sarcasmo, you especially sh

January 15, 2007 - 16:53 ET by Conservative Voice

sarcasmo, you especially should understand that it is a logical fallacy to claim victory because you have found someone who agrees with you. It doesn't matter what the history channel said, nor does it matter. There are racist cops, and there are cops who aren't racist...it doesn't matter. Drugs are illegal, period, end of story, enough said. It doesn't matter if racism is at play, and quite frankly when you have to play the race card you have a weak argument.

No, if you ignore racist hi

January 16, 2007 - 08:30 ET by sarcasmo

No, if you ignore racist history despite being repeatedly presented with the facts, it weakens your argument, dramatically. Let me make an analogy. I'm a big fan of Volkwagen bugs, especially the ancient air cooled variety. Bugs were easy to work on and fun looking. If I were to repeately deny, in the face of the obvious historical facts, that perennial racist badguy Adolf Hitler was in any way involved in the inception of the VW bug, you'd probably think I'm intellectually pretty weak, personal racism issues aside. Same thing here. Admitting to a pervasive history of obvious drugwar-racism -- like admitting VW bugs were born during National Socialism -- isn't admitting that the tax and spend drugwar's a wrongful waste of tax money & law enforcement resources that's hurting liberty & helping nobody for political reasons (it is, of course, but that's a separate issue). It's instead admitting THE FACTUAL HISTORICAL TRUTH, something the neoprohibitionist side here on NB had a problem with ever since I started this remedial historical education program. But I used to stuff dead rats down snakes' throats, and this is no different. The tongs are your friend...
JMR

What? That logic did not mak

January 16, 2007 - 14:25 ET by Conservative Voice

What? That logic did not make any sense sarcasmo. There were things invented during slavery...so should I avoid those things because of how it was invented? Should we stop putting guards at the border because Tumbler thinks its based in racism? Hitler liked to eat, should I avoid food? Like I said, your argument on drug laws being bad because of so called racist roots is weak. There are certainly racist cops and lawmakers, but that doesn't mean the law is bad.

No, and I never said that.

January 16, 2007 - 14:37 ET by sarcasmo

No, and I never said that. What I DID say is that if historical fact says "those things were invented during slavery," then it's intellectually weak to deny that historical fact for political convenience. I also didn't mention borders, or Tumbler. Or food. The racist roots are a fact, they're obviously not the ONLY thing that makes druglaws bad, but denial of these racist facts isn't possible here anymore, because sarcasmo's an inconvenient, off-topic, "bully," and he won't let you or anyone else. It's politically inconvenient for defenders of the drugwar that it was born of racism, but it's also a fact. Period. Trying to deny that fact does not work for me (or, apparently, the History Channel).
JMR

OK, now I understand where yo

January 16, 2007 - 15:19 ET by Conservative Voice

OK, now I understand where you are coming from. What you failed to understand is it isn't a matter of me refusing so called facts...I don't care. Food is still tastey even if Hitler enjoyed it to, and drug laws are right even if some lawmakers and some law enforcement were racist. Which is why I have said your constant push to get people to admit to a so called racist connection is a weak argument. The race card whenever played is done out of weakness...I am not denying that there is a view point of some historians, the fact is we aren't taking the war on drugs like the war on terror seriously enough.

The historical fact of drug

January 16, 2007 - 15:28 ET by sarcasmo

The historical fact of drugwar-roots-racism isn't "so called," its a fact, and whether you care about the historical truth or not, I'm here to proclaim it, even if it's inconvenient. You've come very close -- but for your "so called" -- to admitting the truth, which would be a first for the neoprohibitionist side on NB, so I'm encouraged, but facts -- even if they're inconvenient facts for your argument -- aren't "so called." They're facts. And I happen to think the tax and spend drugwar is one of the reasons the USA didn't focus on Islamofascist terror before 9/11, as I and others warned in vain at the time to the tune of many jeers from the clue-impaired, so I'd be interested to see just what you'd do (or how much more tax-money you think we should spend) since it's certainly at least as much of a failure as Iraq seems to be. Throwing money at expensive failures of big government -- whether public education or drugwar -- doesn't seem wise to me.
JMR

Your understanding of the stu

January 16, 2007 - 16:13 ET by Unsane

Your understanding of the study of history is extremely poor and you have demonstrated this over and over again on this thread alone.  Just because a historian or two makes tha argument that anti-drug laws are racist doesn't make it so; it makes for more fodder for debate.  The number of facts in a historical argument in reality are not all that much; we know something happened, when it happened, and who did it; the why has to be decoded many times.  In fact the word why is more often than not the biggest bone of contention in history.  In order to have more credibility in history, it will help you greatly to look at theories that you simply do not agree with, instead of reading one or two sources and parroting, as you seem to be doing here.

Besides, as I said before, this is a nice, convenient excuse for your pet cause.  You'll drop it after a few weeks and bring it back up when it once again becomes convenient.  What will your next excuse for inducing rot into American society be?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Can't refute the obvious hi

January 16, 2007 - 16:36 ET by sarcasmo

Can't refute the obvious historical fact of drugwar-racism? Go ad-hominem!! You really don't impress me at all, and my sources number FAR more than "one or two," as you've already seen in the course of losing past debates on this same subject...
JMR

Behaving just like a little k

January 16, 2007 - 19:17 ET by Unsane

Behaving just like a little kid.  "I WIN!!!  I WIN!!!" all the time.  Your ignorance of history and and your obsession with drugs is only exceeded by your massive ego.  (See, if you move to AK, you can have your legal drugs and live in a state with plenty of room for your ego.)

I never lose debates just because some overly idealistic poster called sarcasmo (who takes debates here waaaaaaay to seriously) declares I lose.  I need a LITTLE more evidence than that, and I'd say the evidence is in my favor, as your precious drugs are still illegal.

Keep working extremely hard on contorting this issue into one of civil rights.  What you are really working for is the inducing of ROT in the United States, and on that, I am 100% right, as you yourself like to constantly crow. 

You have failed Historical Methods 2003.  Miserably.  Again.  How many more times are you going to pour in as much effort as possible to fail that course? 

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

big voice, not conservative

January 16, 2007 - 15:00 ET by tumbler_2007

Conservative (NOT) Voice, speaking on other matters to sarcasmo:

"Should we stop putting guards at the border because Tumbler thinks its based in racism?"

Is this your version of MY words? Look again, it's a LIE.

Nothing about a border with real security is based on racism and I've never said so. I haven't equated our border agents alert every day and night-- against intruders as "racist." -- I haven't rebuked or criticized our government for deporting illegal aliens. Nor do I call that racist. Nothing about keeping out illegal aliens is based on racism. (Except the Minute Men, and assorted other white supremacists. THAT is racist in some aspects.)

Hate speech and defamation of their ethnic origins is racism. Are you going to deny that? Well, you always do; because you have to discredit ME. That means I have to repeat, for the 40th time: Racism is about hatred toward an ethnic minority (Mexican illegals) in our country. By those who denigrate them, and lie about them, and curse them. THAT'S the racism I speak of, HATRED, not a border.

The only time I've brought up the border is when I protested that a FENCE can't stop the flood of illegals. You hate me for saying that without any reservations, so you resort to lying about what I've said from the start. This is what DEMOCRATS do to our party; make up false accusations. You must be then, no better than the Democrats. You can't stick to the truth.

tumbler, if I misrepresente

January 16, 2007 - 15:11 ET by Conservative Voice

tumbler, if I misrepresented you, I apologize. But you are wrong to think racism is only defined as hatred toward an ethnic minority. The minority part is what is wrong. Racism is simply having strong prejudice against someone of a different ethnic background or race. Hate doesn't even have to be involved, though it usually is.

In any case the point was for sarcasmo, not to get your pot boiling.

now you've taken the opportunity

January 16, 2007 - 15:26 ET by tumbler_2007

Pardon me if I seem paranoid. By now it would only be natural.

You won't say it was lying, of course. It was "misrepresenting". No, it was using my words as leverage against another person; an example of how stupid he should feel, because I'm stupid.

Well, you did lie. Now instead of setting the matter straight, you take the easy opportunity to lecture me on the proper meanings of hatred and racism. Looks like I have to thank you. I never knew anything about it.

Then you meant to sound fooli

January 15, 2007 - 03:15 ET by PeskyDane

Then you meant to sound foolish by misusing the language?  Dude - you're a liberal, so you're already fighting an uphill battle to be perceived as intelligent.  The next time someone offers you an out - especially one laced with good-natured humor, take it.

How am I misusing the Engli

January 15, 2007 - 11:21 ET by balboa

How am I misusing the English language? People have long thought that capturing OBL is a silver bullet for terrorism, i.e., capture Osama and you end terrorism's threat to America, same as shooting a werewolf with a silver bullet ends the werewolf's life.

Bal, you make this too easy.

January 16, 2007 - 08:16 ET by PeskyDane

Bal, you make this too easy.  The more you dig your heels in, the better this gets.  First, let's address this little ignorant phrase of yours:

"People have long thought..." 

How many times do you have to see it addressed on this site before you realize that no one with two IQ points to rub together is fooled by condescending phrases like "It's generally believed," or "Critics say?" 

So who exactly said, "Capturing OBL is the 'sliver bullet?'"

I know that Dr. Rice has said words to the effect "No silver bullet could have stopped 9/11," but who got in front of the microphones and said OBL was the "sliver bullet?"

This is like picking wings off a fly.  Unfortunately, when we reach adulthood, it’s no longer fun.   BTW, that too, is just a metaphor.

Now once again, let me address your misuse of the language as I try to avoid using my 'Al Gore talking to us all like we're 3 year olds' voice.

The term 'silver bullet' is a colloquialism used when describing a method.  Capturing bin Ladin would be a feather in our cap or some other like metaphor.  When you wake up this morning and read this, would you please just let it drop?  Thank you.

BTW, as I posted earlier, we should indeed keep searching for bin Laden, if for no other reason than for the sake of justice.  His crimes against humanity are legion, no question about that.  I will also assert that the public relations coup would be a good thing.  I simply maintain that capturing him has little or no tactical value.

 

I think...

January 16, 2007 - 08:23 ET by Guy Arthur Thomas

I believe the "people" to which balbozo is referring exist exclusively in his head. People have long thought sounds clever (well not really but to libs and super-libs it does no doubt) but so far the only "people" is balbozo (but maybe "people" are a confidential AP source that can't be revealed).

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.

The problem is, balboa, that

January 14, 2007 - 17:01 ET by Unsane

The problem is, balboa, that on the Left, the capture of bin Laden is looked upon as THE panacea, THE silver bullet.  It is as if the instant he appears on camera, captured, the WTC towers will magically spontaneously rebuild themselves, in some views.

They also act as if we aren't doing anything to find him, which, if you regard my first question, is nonsense.  Apparently you agree with that point but in that sense you are in a tiny minority on the Left.

Not to mention they seem to behave as if bin Laden invented terrorism from whole cloth, when in fact the term was coined in the 1790s in the wake of the French Revolution. 

You were in high school in the 1980s?  I started high school in the 1980s.  I love the 1980s.  A truly great time in American (and world) history. :-)

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???"  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

oh no, not the "silver bullet

January 14, 2007 - 18:02 ET by PeskyDane

oh no, not the "silver bullet" metaphor again...

Ag

January 14, 2007 - 20:48 ET by Unsane

Would "argentum projectile" suffice instead?  :-)

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

Nah... does not paint the sam

January 14, 2007 - 20:55 ET by Clear thinker

Nah... does not paint the same picture as Silver Bullet!

Sure, we all want to see him

January 15, 2007 - 14:19 ET by Chicago Republican

Sure, we all want to see him brought to justice.  Then what?  do you really think that al Qaeda will just fold up and start weaving baskets?  Democrats have been carping about "the inability of 'this adminstration' to catch bin Laden" for years now.  So we catch him, execute him.  Then we all start breaking out the Peter Paul and Mary records and live happily ever after?  Some of these same Democrats that have been calling for his capture will be either whining about his treatment at Gitmo or extolling us not to execute him because it will just create a backlash in the "Arab Street".  Then the Chicago Tribune will do a front page story asking "was justice too swift?" ala Saddam Hussein after his execution. 

Its VERY rare that I hear anyone in Hollywood or from the small screen make sense.  In a funny way, Miller does here and its refreshing.  In reality, catching bin Laden is small potatos.  Spreading Open Society and Constitutional Government around the world (which is what Iraq and the larger war on terror are about) is the surest way to ensure fewer 9/11's.  Killing bin Laden will make a lot of us feel good, but accomplish little else strategically.

Read my comments below, re:

January 15, 2007 - 14:44 ET by balboa

Read my comments below, re: "silver bullet."

Balboa - I did read your comm

January 15, 2007 - 20:07 ET by Chicago Republican

Balboa - I did read your comments about the "silver bullet".  But the way your original post read, you sounded like so many leftists making it sound as though catching bin Laden was the most important mission the US Armed Forces had before them.  My only point was that, if you did imply that, as so many Democrats have, your off base as to what really matters in the war on terror.  If that was not your point, then I apologize.

No problemo. I would LOVE to

January 15, 2007 - 20:41 ET by balboa

No problemo. I would LOVE to see OBL brought to justice, but it's not the be-all end-all to stopping terrorism.

closure

January 16, 2007 - 01:46 ET by man_from_outer_space

It amazes me that anyone even asks what good getting bin laden would do.  We don't go after bin laden to stop terrorism.  We go after him because he is a mass murderer, who orchestrated one of the biggest crimes in history.

All of this talk about what it will do to terrorism is moot.  Do we not imprison/execute murderers like Ted Bundly simply because we know we can't stop murder forever by doing that?  The argument is preposterous.  Do you guys even have a clue what justice is?

You guys are so lost.  Stop listening to the pundits and start thinking for yourselves.

The people who keep demanding

January 16, 2007 - 04:54 ET by Unsane

The people who keep demanding we stop what we are doing and tear apart Central and South Asia to look for ONE MAN are the same ones who seem to think that the WTC towers will automatically resurrect themselves once he is caught.  Not to mention they don't know what the end result of Pershing's "Punitive Expedition" of 1916 was, either.

Sure, it would be nice to catch the bastard, but don't expect me to advocate we stop everything to find him.  We have better things to do, like whack as many other would be OBLs as possible and sponsor states.  Catching him is icing. 

This is critical thinking at its finest, coupled with brutal realism.  If this deeply troubles you to the point where you think I am not thinking for myself, I cannot help you. 

Were you insisting that we STOP EVERYTHING in the 1980s and tear apart the Middle East looking for Abu Nidal?

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

MFOS - you are missing the po

January 20, 2007 - 20:53 ET by Chicago Republican

MFOS - you are missing the point on so many levels. 

Yes, we all want Bin Laden brought to justice.  That's not an  issue for debate.  What Miller's point is and my point is, is that power whores in the Democratic Party who act like the President's most important bench mark for success in not only the war on terror but it avenging 9/11 is getting Bin Laden.  Talk about missing the forest for the tree..... Yes, Bin Laden is wanted dead or alive and will continue to be.  But if you REALLY want to avenge 9/11, dry up the swamps like Saddam's Iraq that breed closed-society brainwashing that leads to 9/11 episodes.  Its funny MFOS, people like you talk about how stupid, what a "frat boy" Bush is but he's intellectually running rings around people like you, the Useful Idiots in the MSM and the Power Whores of the Democratic Party by having the long term vision of free nations that don't breed fascist, closed societies that do nothing but bring up citizenry that become hateful warmongers and do nothing but make excuses for the tyrants that keep them in poverty.  Again, I laugh at what intellectual simpletons the Left in this country are.  Closed societies run by tyrants will always breed Bin Ladens.  You want peace?  Spread freedom.  That's how you win the war on terror, MFOS.  Don't be a simpleton and lecture me about thinking for myself.  Spare me.

Nicely done, FSU.

January 20, 2007 - 21:03 ET by Blonde

Nicely done, FSU.

Bal,Think you meant "abo

January 16, 2007 - 04:04 ET by Indiana Joe

"Read my comments below, re: 'silver bullet.'"

Bal,

Think you meant "above," buddy. Your only comment "below" is right below yours, and about 6 hours AFTER it. Precognition? ....    ;^)

IJ

...when and where we misplace

January 14, 2007 - 15:48 ET by PeskyDane

...when and where we misplaced our cojones.

When would officially be Nov 7, 2006 - where would be harder to guess.  I think the likes of Barbara and Hillary are holding on to them for the time being. 

Miller is right on with thi

January 14, 2007 - 16:44 ET by happyuscitizen

Miller is right on with this, and it is time those whom enjoy the blanket of freedom that they so quickly look down upon those whom provide it quit splitting hairs.

They all say why haven't we seen Bin Laden in a video? Well for you geniuses out there when you are in full renal failure in need of dialysis in a modern environment one can become jaundice and one's skin can take a yellowish hue to it. In the case of Osama if he is not enjoying the nightlife of the cosmopolitan Pakistani tribal regions, he is hopefully suffering via Yak power as Dennis so eloquently expressed.

That being said an interseting anecdote someone shared with me and seems somewhat plausible is as follows:

One of the messengers of Satan or Satan himself is described in one of the passages of the Koran as having yellowish color to his skin, and that true believers of the prophet Mohammed are not to believe his words.

Interesting, could be urban legend but thought provoking never the less; however if true it would definitely take the wind out of al-Qeada's sails, and put the old kybosh on any video p.r. campaign.

Listen up libtards denial is not a river in Egypt, and if you would quit being obstructionist and give the same latitude to the US military as your ilk does to child molesters, they will produce his head on a pike for you in due time.

"I'm just a big fat hairy American Winning Machine!" - Ricky Bobby

Taxpayer

January 14, 2007 - 17:16 ET by john ryan

For anyone in the Armed Services who does not accept being criticized by those footing the bills perhaps you should remember who you are working for THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER

That is a well thought out po

January 14, 2007 - 17:23 ET by PeskyDane

That is a well thought out point.  If fact I do accept the criticizem of the public.  I also insist that the public accept it from me.  To lossely paraphrase A Few Good Men, I am going to allow myself the lattitude to be annoyed by those who ask me to provide their freedom, and then question the manner in which I provide it.

That has to be one of the

January 14, 2007 - 17:33 ET by OIFveteran

That has to be one of the most ignorant things I have ever read, anywhere. That takes a special kind of talent.

You do realize that members of the Armed Forces are AMERICAN TAXPAYERS as well. And guess what, we don't listen to the public. We don't care about polls. Criticize us all you want. We are big boys and girls, we can take it. We get our orders and as long as they are legal, we carry them out.

<insert something clever>

Ignorance is only second to arrogance for libs...

January 14, 2007 - 17:36 ET by Guy Arthur Thomas

The modern lib and super-lib appear to have mastered the art of ignorance and it is only second to their even greater mastery of arrogance. Yeah, the dummy doesn't have a clue that military personnel pay the same taxes as that clown (probably more since I suspect Johnny is posting from mommy's basement in between pizza deliveries) while preserving all our freedoms and the freedoms of many others who haven't contributed one red cent in American tax revenue.

If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.

The birth of a new troll?

January 14, 2007 - 21:02 ET by terrig

John Boy Ryan sure is a funny sort of chap isn't he?  Do you tell the police, firemen/women, school teachers (public) the same thing?  Here's a question for you-what do you do to pay taxes anyway?  Do you work for a phone sex or a psychic hotline or perhaps you're one of those annoying people who call during dinner time even though we're on the "no call" list.  What is it you do, so we can criticize you.  What a loser.

Sorry massuh boss....me an

January 14, 2007 - 17:36 ET by happyuscitizen

Sorry massuh boss....me an my kinds fohgut ahs places for a moment!

Those in the military you are so quick to point out work for the taxpayer, do it so even ignorant gits like yourself and your comrades in Comrade Che shirts can enjoy the freedoms you would be deprived of in your communist/marxist/socialist utopia.

Instead of trashing the slaves of the taxpayer you should be polite enough to appreciate that they are volunteers, and instruments of foreign policy at the behest of whomever is in the Oval Office, Democrat or Republican.

Let me ask, were you once a joke writer for Kerry?

"I'm just a big fat hairy American Winning Machine!" - Ricky Bobby

Sorry, can't believe I miss

January 14, 2007 - 17:47 ET by OIFveteran

Sorry, can't believe I missed this point earlier.

Show me where it states that a Sergeant in the Army works for the local Wal-Mart manager. Because that wasn't in the Constitution that I read in high school. Then again, according to the libtards an inanimate piece of paper is a "living" entity; so I may be wrong.

There is only one civilian in the chain of command. That is the POTUS, not you. Facts are fun.

Before any moonbats jump in and point out the Sec. of Defense, the one civilian line was referring to what is in the Constitution.

<insert something clever>

I'm gonna just assume this reflects the product of a Public Scho

January 14, 2007 - 17:53 ET by acaiguana

I'm gonna just assume this reflects the product of a Public School.

"...who does not accept being criticized by those footing the bills perhaps you should remember who you are working for THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER."

You have no idea how people reading your posts which provide some sort of window into your mind actually think of you, do you?

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

Take it easy on the public

January 14, 2007 - 18:31 ET by happyuscitizen

Take it easy on the public schools Acaiguana, some of us actually opened our books and read what was in them, instead of eating the pages in between boogers for flavor, those kids were libtards in training!

"I'm just a big fat hairy American Winning Machine!" - Ricky Bobby

Yeah, gosh, 1% can read their diplomas. I'm sorry.

January 14, 2007 - 18:33 ET by acaiguana

Yeah, gosh, 1% can read their diplomas.  I'm sorry.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

Sorry guy, I guess that's 4 o

January 14, 2007 - 18:00 ET by PeskyDane

Sorry guy, I guess that's 4 out of 5, huh?  At least you had one person willing to debate you one this... LOL

Pesky,Well, that drive-by kin

January 14, 2007 - 18:07 ET by Blonde

Pesky,

Well, that drive-by kind of did the old "cut-n-run".  ;-)

Pesky, let me see if I can capture his position here.

January 14, 2007 - 18:18 ET by acaiguana

Pesky, let me see if I can capture his position here.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

;-) you're killing me...

January 15, 2007 - 03:25 ET by PeskyDane

;-) you're killing me...

I accept it. But you also ha

January 14, 2007 - 18:48 ET by slaphappy

I accept it.

But you also have to accept the fact that ass-clowns like your self that feel the impulse to comment on shit you nothing  about, puts you and your ilk in a special place. At the bottom of my friggin boot. But, until you walk in our boots Mr Ryan, and I mean walking in our boots Mr Ryan, its best you shut your hole. I´ll dismiss your comments as a drunk pacifist trying to find a small child on my space.com. The mental image I have for you sitting in your government subsidized mothers basement is a priceless.

The balls you have to insult any service man or woman by, " remembering who we work for", and having to accept your criticism  is like a murderer who kills his parents and asks for special treatment since he is now an orphan? (LGF).. do you see the parity.

And since I am a taxpayer, you frigging little worm, you can consider me self employed.

But, I do accept your criticism and you damn well better accept mine.

Ass.

You're Not In The Military

January 14, 2007 - 20:46 ET by emjem24

john ryan, the only one beholden to the American Taxpayer are corrupt congressman and senators. BTW, my husband is in the military and doing a damn fine job, not that you would ever notice you're so busy ham-stringing them. Yeah, the military might be "working" for the American Taxpayer, which is garbage because they're not elected, they're saving your asses, you sanctimonious bastard. But then, you and your liberal ilk, think it's all about you and your social security and social services. Yeah, my husband really works for you retards? DONT MAKE ME LAUGH.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

emjem...Does it ever bother y

January 14, 2007 - 20:50 ET by Clear thinker

emjem...

Does it ever bother you to know that there are some that do not appreciate what your husband and his brothers are doing for all of us?

Please tell your husband that many more are humbled by his service. If I wasn't so fat and old it would be an honor to serve.

Thanks Clear Thinker

January 14, 2007 - 21:19 ET by emjem24

Thanks, clear thinker. It does bother me when people like john ryan say stuff like he has. I'm irritated, annoyed, and sometimes it even makes me cry. Hear that, john ryan? You make a grown adult woman, another American tax payer, and a military spouse cry. Do you feel like a man now? The only thing you fail to realize is if you had spouted that kind of shit to a group of military men, YOUR BETTERS, who'd be crying now? Them or you?

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

emjem...Don't let worms like

January 14, 2007 - 23:20 ET by Clear thinker

emjem...

Don't let worms like JR get under your skin, they seem to enjoy it waaay too much. I think I speak for alot of NB'ers when I say 'we will keep your family in our prayers'.

emjem24 - deep breath. That's it.

January 14, 2007 - 21:24 ET by acaiguana

emjem24 - deep breath. That's it.

Be aware that these nuts aren't here to help, they are here to hurt.  Once you understand their motive is to hurt; morale, attitude, strength, honor, duty, and a host of other things - then you can smile that they think these cheap and vulgar shots they take (notice how they run away) are working.

It is hard I know to wait out a deployment and to be the one to help with the letters.  I know that.

The bravery and understanding of how wars work and how battles are fought are not for the likes of this Ryan idiot nor others who profess to speak for us and you.

They are cowards.

You are one of the chosen heros.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

No worries emjem24, this usel

January 14, 2007 - 22:37 ET by slaphappy

No worries emjem24, this useless little amoeba gets kicks and thrills from firing up the military´s past and present on this board. Its a sickness to bad mouth the very people that provide them with the ballsy fortitude to vomit the rhetoric they do. If I knew him and saw him on fire I wouldn't piss on him to help.. Actually, if he really knew about what people felt about him, including his friends and family, he would be hard pressed for anyone to save his life.

 

Hot damn! Can I go?

January 14, 2007 - 20:52 ET by Unsane

Outstanding!  Now that I'm in the Reserves, can you send me to Iraq, or failing that, Afghanistan?  I'll do a four month deployment if you don't mind.

(It is because of the hard work of our military that the American taxpayers are not paying their taxes in rubles, Reichsmarks, pounds, oryen.  Maybe you should remember that, John Patrick Ryan.)

"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???."  - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)

You're Being Reported

January 14, 2007 - 21:04 ET by emjem24

I tried for two days to tolerate you, you little troll, but know you're over the line and you damn well know it. You think that you can insult the MILITARY and think you have any right to not be challenged well then think again. You're being reported and I'm putting you on notice. Nowhere in the Contitution does it say that the Military answers to the Taxpayer. Nowhere. If  you weren't such an idiot ignoramus, you'd understand that but you don't. You're not worthy of being toasted nor defended. I'm having a wonderful martini right now and I'm toasting the military that defends your ass. YOUR WORTHLESS ASS.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

You know people who pay taxes

January 14, 2007 - 21:16 ET by kathleenirish

You know people who pay taxes?  I figure you're part of the entitlement class: the biggest whiners about not getting enough from the Nanny government and about how 'oppressed' they are by the 'system'!

"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere"          -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph

There is some dispute as to

January 14, 2007 - 17:46 ET by Tom1969ca

There is some dispute as to whether OBL actually suffers from kidney problems...

[T]here is a mountain of evidence that bin Laden is not on dialysis.

No medical report has been produced that shows bin Laden is on dialysis. No reporter who has actually met bin Laden has seen the archterrorist hooked up to a dialysis machine or heard him talk about it. Robert Fisk, the only Western journalist to interview bin Laden three times, makes no mention of dialysis.

Peter Bergen led a CNN team into Afghanistan to interview bin Laden in 1997. Bin Laden appeared healthy and strong; neither the reporters nor bin Laden mentioned dialysis or kidney trouble.

Even bin Laden's longtime associates dispute the kidney ailment meme. Saudi newspaper editor Khaled Batarfi has known bin Laden for two decades, ever since the two were neighbors in the Saudi port city of Jeddah. He told the Sunday Tasmanian, an Australian newspaper, that bin Laden "does not suffer from kidney disease."

Washington Times, January 2006 (Full Article)

...and...

Two senior U.S. officials who have seen (bin Laden's CIA medical file) note that it puts to rest the rumor that the al-Qaida leader needs dialysis for a kidney disorder.

In fact, the officials said, bin Laden suffers only from kidney stones, a painful but not deadly condition which can be treated with drugs.

In addition, the officials said that the CIA has determined that bin Laden has an enlarged heart and chronically low blood pressure.

NBC News, December 2004 (Full Article)

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VOTE DEMOCRAT!
(It's easier than thinking)

Hey, Tom, good information. Shucks.

January 14, 2007 - 17:54 ET by acaiguana

Hey, Tom, good information.  Shucks.

ACA

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Acaiguana says:  "I love blind Monkeys and any inference that I am making fun of blind Monkeys would be wrong.

Wow, the things you learn...

January 14, 2007 - 17:55 ET by PeskyDane

Wow, the things you learn...

Think about it this way, Tom.

January 14, 2007 - 18:26 ET by Schwabert

Think about it this way, Tom. If you were about to pick a fight with someone, would you want that person to know what your weakness was? Of course not! So it really should come as no surprise that OBL would like this to remain unknown, or unsure at best.

--Perpetual itching without benefit of scratching to the enemies of America.--

Dennis Miller You're My Hero

January 14, 2007 - 20:34 ET by emjem24

This is why I tune into Dennis every week. I'm glad he had a Hannity epiphany and he's batting for our team. He was spot on. Americans always focus on the past (and the negative). The new past time is second guess and be negative at the expense of our troops. No weapons of mass destruction, no bin Laden, let's just stop now. It's over, let's take our toys and go home. Not so fast, folks. We were attacked on 9/11, you were all for the Iraq War and now that's it's not going well let's go back to the past and bring up what we have no control over: weapons of mass destruction and bin Laden. Look, we didn't get either and it's time to move on. How about you look inward and see how much you're REALLY giving up and may be you'd understand a thing or two. You know NB'ers, I'm now going to say something I never wanted to say but now I think has to happen to return Americans to sanity: their wallets. I hope Pres. Bush raises taxes on all income groups, you heard me. Maybe when Americans sacrifice some of their hard-earned money perhaps they'll get the message. Oh, and Vietnam was going fine until Pres. Johnson and the American public decided to dictate how we fought that war. Don't let me tread on all your ignorance, America, since you've never trully been invested in this war from the get go. You can wave your little American flags and garnish ever tree with a yellow ribbon, but until you actually realize what war is all about, you'll never get it. Until you stop voting in people like Kennedy, Boxer, and their ilk, you will never understand who our enemies are and it's not the Republicans (just the RINO's sorry Hegel and Arnie S.).

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

emjem - just wanted to let yo

January 14, 2007 - 22:57 ET by Cape Conservative

emjem - just wanted to let you know I have tried - two different elections voted against TK - but forget being a conservative in Massachusetts!  When JFKerry was running last election, the state legislature voted to take away the right of the governor (a Republican-horrors) to nominate a replacement had he won (thank goodness there was no chance of that!)  Now that we are living in a one party state, guess that will be of no consequence in the future.

And I thank you and your husband for his and your service - yes, I do believe the families of our military serve as well.  Having read the Providence Journal this morning (NO Boston Globe in this household!) - in an article about units being deployed to the middle east, they made it a point to focus on comments only from family members who were against their servicemen/women being deployed.  One even began with "I hate that man" (President Bush) before continuing on with a negative remark.  ONLY IN NEW ENGLAND!

Who Was Deployed?

January 14, 2007 - 23:55 ET by emjem24

Thanks, Cape Conservative. I appreciate your comment. :) If it weren't for you and others like you there would be no hope for Republicans or conservatives in New England at all. Anyway, who was deployed? Were they Guard, Reserve, or Active Duty? Now I know those in the reserve and in the guard (Air Force) but usually in any active duty unit there is no protest because this is what everybody signed up for. Perhaps this relative is part of the Goldstar Families For Peace organization (a group who I loath for their pacifism and lack of facts and who display a shocking lack of understanding about the military and who appear to be in the Cindy Sheehan School of Foreign Policy)? Believe me, no one usually complains. Most families have come to expect it and prepare for it...it's no surprise to the Air Force, the Navy, the Coast Guard, the Army, or the Marine Corps. However, with Army National Guard units there's a belief that being a weekend soldier should be just that and nothing more...some of these people do the guard thing to pay for school and not to serve this country but I'm including the minority who feel this way. It's unfortunate but part of the reality when civilians play at being active duty soldiers and don't thoroughly research their reasons for enlisting/joining up and when they're called up several times they cry foul. Unfortunately, you'll be hearing even more about this in future. It's happening in the military town I live in now too.

The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer.  Air Force Motto

emjem says: When your brain's stuck on liberalism it self-destructs.

Treason

January 15, 2007 - 02:00 ET by MAV

What I wish people would get, is the fact that this war would have been done and over with in victory by now. If (We the People) would not have sat back, like a bunch of idiots with our heads buried in the sand…

We have allowed the Anti-United States Media; most of the Democrats, a few RINO Senators and Congressmen through treasonous acts of lies and deceit cause such devastation…

They all agreed to go to war in Iraq... As soon as it was decided to do so. Then we all, All TRUE Americans as our Founding fathers would agree... Should have come together to go and get the job done and over with as soon as possible. Oh no instead we let a few get away with undermining and poisoning the President, the military and our entire nation at every opportunity. It was done intentionally and on purpose to cause us to lose. Every step of the way coming against every plan and strategy just to cause the President to fail. That’s Treason and every last one who was and is still involved should be brought up on charges, tried and punished to the greatest extent of the law...

I am flabbergasted at just how fast we are losing our way. At just how easy we let so much unimportant CRAP cloud our thinking and get in the way. We are almost as guilty as these selfish, ignorant communist Lib’s that we have allowed to cause so much damage to our country, and in the eyes of the world...

Think about it people. It is so bad now that these lib heads of state and the media are shouting out loud from the roof tops, undermining telling us to give up and quit in failure…

If we allow this to keep on, letting a small percentage of people, these anti-American haters to keep it up. Then sadly I give this nation maybe another 10 to 20 years before it crumbles totally from within. It has been said that "Every Great Nation that has fallen, has fallen from within"…

Are we all going to stand up together to do ALL that it will take, to TAKE America back???

I hope and pray we will…

If you agree lets start by disposing of the PC Crap (that has come about only to keep good peoples mouths shut) and tell everyone we know and let all of our elected officials know…

WHAT?!

January 15, 2007 - 10:20 ET by blackrain4xmas

"To this day, Tenet doesn't know that Jim J. Bullock is gay."

Oh say it isn't true!

Next, someone will tell me that Howard Dean (Maple Syrup King of Vermont) isn't an intelligence expert on WMD, Iraq, Al Queda, or the Middle East, that he really does have a plan for "A New Direction In Iraq", and that John Kerry isn't a pandering politician who takes position based on local polls (if a straw poll at Mary's cafe in New Hampshire says Saddam's hanging was fake, you can put money on the fact that he'll agree when he's campaigning...in Mary's cafe. Across the street at Bob's Hardware...he might feel differently if the straw poll results are different.)

Way to go Dennis!