ABC's "The View" cast was split over the President's surge speech. Elisabeth Hasselbeck said "this is the last shot...this better work." Barbara Walters said she was torn, since ABC News employees "try hard not to give our political opinions" [!], and that she wanted to give the new strategy a chance, but wondered about why it mattered that Bush said he took responsibility for the war's mistakes. Rosie O'Donnell and Joy Behar were sharply opposed. Behar said the troops were just "cannon fodder." Rosie whacked at Bush-Cheney: “The armed forces, they are the bravest and the boldest and they're much braver than the men who sent them there to fight this war.”
The sharpest exchange came when Rosie complained that we lost our popularity in the world after 9/11, and Hasselbeck wondered if our "social standing" was so important. Rosie rebuffed: “So it’s about that we're a beacon of light. America, we are a beacon of light in this world. We are supposed to be above this kind of behavior, of invading and occupying." Behar seconded the emotion, and Hasselbeck slapped back: “I don't really care about being liked. I care about being safe.”
They shifted into the debate a few minutes into the show, once the show's opening pleasantries were handled. Behar said the president looked "robotized, a little scared, but Walters made sure Hasselbeck was given the floor:
Hasselbeck: “I've been a huge supporter of President Bush. But this is the last shot. Like, you know, this is seriously the last shot I’m giving you, Mr. President, this better work, this plan. I do feel as though it's a hard decision, and I think it’s, you know, I liken global terrorism, just for me, I feel as though it’s like an incredible infection in the world, and like this strategy is a Z-Pac [a form of the antibiotic Zithromax]. This really needs to work. It's compact. It’s going to be incredibly strong. But I feel as though it's the only option. You know, I don't want to see people killed. I don’t want to see more casualties. But I fear -- so much -- that if we don't take care of this hard and fast, we’re not going to pay the price, we’re going to be gone, [applause] but Grace is going to pay the price. My daughter’s going to pay the price. Your kids are going to pay the price. I just think this is not the most fun strategy. It's like watching my mom when she went through chemo. Did I want to see all her good cells killed with the bad? No. But I knew that that was a means to the end. And I really believe that this is the way that it has to happen."
Rosie: "It makes you feel safer?"
Hasselbeck: Yes, it does make me feel safer. But this is the last shot I'm giving this war.
Barbara Walters: That's so well-put. Over the years, you've been on with me a little and, technically, my main job, it may come as news, as a member of ABC News, and we try very hard not to give political opinions. But watching him last night, I found myself saying it's going to be such chaos, we keep hearing, if this doesn't work. And I felt, oh, let's just give it a chance. But the other thing that I thought, when he said it's my responsibility, which is what I think he said about Katrina, am I wrong, Rosie? Did he say --
Rosie: "He said good job, Brownie. Remember that?"
Joy Behar: "Heckuva job, Brownie, is what he said."
Walters: "But he said, at other times, I take responsibility."
Rosie: "Last night he said he took responsibility."
Walters: "But after you take responsibility, what does that mean? You take responsibility and -- so?"
Behar: "Has he even read the Iraq Study Group report? Has he listened to his generals?"
Hasselbeck: "Yes."
Walters: "One assumes he has."
Behar: "Some other very smart person said, in order to just occupy and take over baghdad, you need 100,000 troops. That's just one city. They’re only sending 20,000. It’s only a Z-Pac, but if you have cancer, a Z-Pac isn’t going to work."
Barbara, motioning to Hasselbeck: “That’s what she’s saying, it’s the last chance.”
Behar: “But it’s a half-hearted, it's not even a real attempt, in my opinion. It’s just cannon fodder."
Hasselbeck: “Do you agree, then, to more troops?"
Behar: "No, I would not. Look. I'm not one of these people who has to come up with a solution. I didn't start this and I'm not going to finish it. But they have to come up with more creative solutions than just sending 19-year-old boys and girls over there. That's really not going to work." [Applause]
Walters: "Without going through the whole thing, there are other things that are being done, too that maybe they haven't worked yet with the Iraqis and with the Prime Minister. I mean, it was a whole list of things. But I think we all just have to pray that as few casualties as possible. And, as you say, last chance. Let it work."
Rosie: "The only thing, the thing that’s is so disheartening, people I know whose spouses are in the Reserve and how many times they've been called. Friends of mine whose husbands have served three times and they're being recalled again.” After others sounded sympathetic notes, she added: “The armed forces, they are the bravest and the boldest and they're much braver than the men who sent them there to fight this war.” [Applause]
Behar: "That’s a fact."
Rosie: “It’s really sad, it really is.”
Hasselbeck: "You see the strength not only in the troops that are there, but their families that are at home. My friend, whose wife is here, and he’s ready to go again. You see such strength, the grace they possess in seeing their loved ones be there."
Rosie: “And what it does to them emotionally. They come back, you know, different people. If their bodies are whole, their souls and hearts are shattered. And to try and go on from there, as we know after vietnam what happened to a vast majority of the Vietnam vets. So tragic.”
Barbara brought up injured ABC anchorman Bob Woodruff and the family suffering. O’Donnell followed up: “It should be in every situation, the very last thing that is possible to do, war. You should avoid at all costs it until there is no choice. Whether or not that happened this time – “
Behar: “They didn't do it this time.”
Rosie: “Correct. That did not happen this time.”
Behar: Everybody agrees they did not do that –“
Rosie: “Very, very sad.”
Hasselbeck: But everybody at that time, though, in response to what we went through in the country was also in support of being there --
Walters, wanting to move on: “We can rehash and rehash and rehash –“
Rosie: But truthfully, we’ll remember, right after 9-11, everyone was scared to death. The country had never been attacked continentally on U.S. soil. It was a shock to our psyches, to our souls, to the world. We had the world sympathy and support, and now, we do not. And that’s a tragedy, to lose sort of our standing, to be the leaders of peace."
Hasselbeck: But what's more important, to be, your social standing with the world or to be doing something globally --
Rosie: “So it’s about that we're a beacon of light. America, we are a beacon of light in this world. We are supposed to be above this kind of behavior, of invading and occupying."
Behar, somehow forgetting Vietnam and global panic over Reagan, that other “cowboy” president: “After World war ii, we were the good guys, and we maintained that for a long time, and now we're losing it, and it's scary and sad to know that you want to go to Europe, and you're not welcome in some of these countries as an American."
Hasselbeck slapped back: “I don't really care about being liked. I care about being safe.” [Applause]
—Tim Graham is Director of Media Analysis at the Media Research Center.




















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This show is tripe."If w
January 11, 2007 - 16:08 ET by bigtimerThis show is tripe.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Another Book, Tim?
January 11, 2007 - 16:09 ET by Gary HallAnother Book, Tim?
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America
January 11, 2007 - 16:17 ET by iveseenitallMorons. These idiots from The Pig Pen (a.k.a. The View) know nothing about history, much less current foreign policy. Rosie is a disgusting slob leading the other three around by the nose. It's a circus enjoyed by the masses. Like the Jerry Springer show, it is an insult to decent people and quite annoying.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
I am so sick of this group of
January 11, 2007 - 16:24 ET by kathleenirishI am so sick of this group of loud-mouthed idiots spouting off. I like the name, 'Pig Pen', though. Apt.
Beating up on Hasselbeck and pretending to be her friend. They reek.
And BORING- same old tired liberal spew of DNC talking points.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
What reservist wives is Rosie talking to?
January 11, 2007 - 16:20 ET by terrigOkay, her little comment: Rosie: "The only thing, the thing that’s is so disheartening, people I know whose spouses are in the Reserve and how many times they've been called. Friends of mine whose husbands have served three times and they're being recalled again.” I would like to know who the hell these reservists are? The reservists are not being sent there on their third or fourth tour-it's active duty military who are doing that. NOT RESERVISTS and this bitch is too stupid to know this. I will be up front with the fact that I am sick and tired of the reservists and their spouses complaining about their pay cuts, their being gone, I only signed up for college or grad school mantra (because I heard this ad nauseum the first two deployments of my husband when they'd put these folks on television), but these people she claims to know are not going on their third tour if they are Reservists or in the Guard. Why are these people applauding when they really believe that those who do sign up are as one of my students once said "ate up with stupid". This is just one thing that gets under my skin. Idiots like those who are on the Spew and watch the Spew, feel like they're really sufferring because they watch the news and see all the negativity about the war on there. They're not sufferring unless they've been 469 -15 days R &R of being away from their husband for the third time. I knew what I was getting when I signed up myself and when I said "I do", but I am sick to death of these idiots actually "feeling our pain". I wish that they would just shut up. At least Elisabeth talks about being safe, something we can all agree with.
terrig - Feel better now? Goo
January 11, 2007 - 20:36 ET by FastEdterrig - Feel better now? Good, not to worry - there are more people who actually know somebody who is serving then those who don't. You've go to remember that these bimbo's have NO clue, are stupid, feed and believe the un-truths that they spoone feed to themselves.
Take this test - next time there is an interview on the tube, of someone who is going, or has returned, and the "reporter" tries to spew the msm (Lsm) agenda questions, listen carefully to the answers. They are generally so anti-agenda, even the "reporter" can't spin it. What they WILL do is re-direct the conversation to something simple (simple to them is anything single sylable) or they will conclude the interview.
Once again, let your other half know WE appreciate his service, and we also hope all is well with you.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
Maybe there's SOME hope for s
January 11, 2007 - 16:35 ET by HypocriteHaterMaybe there's SOME hope for some of the audience members who applauded Elizabeth's comments. Frankly, I was amazed there was ANY kind of positive reaction to her comments. I thought all of The View audience members were liberal lemmings. Unfortunately, she's outnumbered and in the wrong weight class on that panel!
"Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America to be passive. They counted wrong." - Ronald Reagan
I've never had the "plea
January 11, 2007 - 21:40 ET by Del DolemonteI've never had the "pleasure" of watching the show (uh, having a real life, working, and all) but I wonder what the studio audience demographic for "The View" is. My guess is that it's 90 percent 20-something liberal people from the tri-state area (in other words, youngsters with a "D" affiliation) who are either college students, young mothers in the city for the day shopping who need an hour to kill, or even professional studio audience people (anyone remember professional studio audience regular "Mrs. Miller"?)
I checked "The View's" website for studio audience ticket info, and in fact they have a seperate web link for people from the New York Metro area to get audience tix. Curious:
http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/tickets.html
Yet if you're from any other part of the US, you have to go to a different URL to get tickets. Does this mean some studio audience members are more equal than others?
Del D...I suggest we all just
January 11, 2007 - 21:48 ET by Clear thinkerDel D...
I suggest we all just ignore Rosie and her trash mouth.
Am I the only one sick of hearing about a woman that is certified pathetic?
What annoys me is there are p
January 11, 2007 - 16:58 ET by DarasenWhat annoys me is there are people so ignorant, (using the actual definition here), that they watch something like this show and base opinions solely off of what they are force fed. There really should be some sort of test before they allow people to vote.
The test could be this simp
January 11, 2007 - 17:02 ET by MightyMouthThe test could be this simple:
1. Point to your ass.
2. Point to a hole in the ground.
If the location of 1. and 2. are identical, then they cannot vote!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Founders
January 11, 2007 - 17:11 ET by iveseenitallDarasen:
Universal suffrage was a concern for many of our founders. We do have a public education system which was established to comabat ignorance and inform citizens with the truth. Unfortunately, liberals got a stranglehold on the schools and now promote ignorance instead of learning. Add the babysitter called t.v. and ignorance has truly become bliss.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
I had to stop reading it at t
January 11, 2007 - 17:27 ET by Eric TurnerI had to stop reading it at the "19 year old boys and girls" remark. In 2001 the average age of an enlisted man was 27 years old (officers were 34). The average age of a person enlisting (i.e., first coming in) was 19. By stating the average age of a soldier is 19 they really want it to be full of 17 - 19 year old kids, when in reality it is full of career minded, married men and women. This indicates folks are staying in longer and reenlisting. A younger force would indicate that most folks get out after their first enlistment.
I rarely actually served with 18 and 19 years. This is simply a throwback statistic to the Vietnam war. The MsM sooooooo want to make this another Vietnam. They really wish there was a draft to make that comparison as well.
"Perpetual itching without benefit of scratching to the enemies of America." - July 4th toast during the Revolution
I went to the site you posted
January 11, 2007 - 20:59 ET by crsheddI went to the site you posted and found this in the first paragraph, second sentence:
'Upon commissioning in FY 2001, the average officer was nearly 27 years old in contrast to 19 years old for the average enlisted accession.' (my emphasis)
The ages you mentioned, 27 and 34, are the mean ages. Different concept.
No, the average age of an off
January 11, 2007 - 22:13 ET by Eric TurnerNo, the average age of an officer entering the service (upon commissioning) was 27 years old. The average age of an enlistee's initial enlistment was 19. You're right 27 and 34 were the mean ages. In other words, the average age among all enlisted personnel (not just initial enlistees.)
The point Behar (if I remember right) was trying to infer was that the average age of all soldiers was/is 19. That would be completely false. Now, if she had said the average age of first-term initial enlistees is 19, then that would be correct.
My point still stands.
"Perpetual itching without benefit of scratching to the enemies of America." - July 4th toast during the Revolution
No, the MEAN age of enlisted
January 12, 2007 - 02:20 ET by crsheddNo, the MEAN age of enlisted is 27. That means there are an equal number above that age as below that age. Average is when you take All enlistees, total their ages and divide by the number of enlistees. Since the DOD site says the average age of the enlisted is 19, that means there must be a HELL of a lot of 17-19 year olds.
I wasn't correcting your point, just stating that you were referring to the wrong numbers on the site.
Mean, Median & Mode-I s
January 12, 2007 - 02:28 ET by terrigMean, Median & Mode-I still remember that from statistics class but other than that, I believe I slept for most of the semester but still wound up with a B.
When I go on post-Schofield-I do see a lot of kids that I think last year their biggest problem must have been who will I take to the prom but when I look at them and see their eager faces, I think about what they are doing for this country. There was a bunch of people coming back today from training on the Big Island. I overheard two in front of me at the bank that they couldn't believe that they were here in HI and had been training on a mountain with a little bit of frost on it. Then they started talking about their friends who were in college or were working and they said they were glad they were doing what they're doing since like me they just didn't feel ready or mature enough to go to college yet. They may be young but they do give hope to this country.
Essentially our force IS slig
January 12, 2007 - 06:31 ET by BDEssentially our force IS slightly older than it was a couple of years ago. I see fewer and fewer 19 year old infantrymen as a percentage of the force than I did when I joined the army in the 1980's. Largely it is due to the higher than average re-enlistment rate that we have seen since the start of the GWOT.
THe Higher than average re-enlistment rate is due to two seperate concepts:
1.) High tempo in wartime encourages reenlistment for troops who see thamselves as accomplishing a mission (Which we are though we are being discouraged from believing so by the MSM) and who do not wish to miss out on this.
2.) Coming in at second place is the fact that our reenlistment bonuses, if received in the combat zone are TAX FREE. (Note to the Democrats...)
Both Ways
January 11, 2007 - 17:33 ET by JimboBehar: "…... Look. I'm not one of these people who has to come up with a solution. I didn't start this and I'm not going to finish it.”
Well Ms. Behar (calling her Joy would be a misnomer), its ok that you take the position that you aren’t one of the people who has to come up with an answer.
Truly.
But at the same time, if you take that position, you have to also take the postion that you should keep your liberal, ignorant, know nothing, ratings driven excuse for a mouth closed and stop critisizing that plan that has been proposed.
On the other hand, if you would like to continue to embarrass yourself on national television by critisizing the President’s plan, you are obligating yourself to accompany that diatribe with a plan of your own.
You cant go both ways. Or can you.
Rosie?
jimbo excellent point
January 11, 2007 - 17:40 ET by misterbilljimbo excellent point--
if you have nothing to say Ms Behar, don't say it.
What scares me is the fct that a lot of women watch and admire her and the others. I , honestly and truly, thank God for my wife. She is quite unlike the View members and would not watch them. She thinks they're a bunch of twits who know little about what they discuss.
Just remember--all those cheering ladies in the audience will be out there voting in 2008. It's too bad that all men and women are not given a sanity test before they are allowed to vote.
Latest prediction has it th
January 11, 2007 - 17:43 ET by RunningBeerLatest prediction has it that Rosie will not be leaving the show. The network will buyout Barbara’s 50% interest before Rosie’s contract is up in June. Rosie will become the star of the show.
The upside of all this you ask??? With Baba Wawa gone it’s just another gossip show and no one can ever say again that they watch this show for the “news.”
Caught...and stopped
January 11, 2007 - 18:00 ET by ecnirPI caught myself reading this transcript, and then realized, "why am I reading this? Do these people matter? Do they have some special insight or credibility on this subject that I'm missing? Why on earth would I care what these people have to say?"
And that's my inane contribution to the commentary about the transcript from The View, to which you can now think, "why am I reading..."
valid point
January 11, 2007 - 18:10 ET by misterbillvalid point--but if we didn't read it here we would have to suffer watching the WHOLE show to get this piece.
I only watched it once when O'Reilly was on. All of them were talking at the same time. It is the first and only time I have seen BOR out-talked (or out-yelled).
Tim, with all due respect, do
January 11, 2007 - 19:34 ET by JABTim, with all due respect, do us a favor and save your server hard drive space and band width to report on issues that truely matter. I wish the fox would find a way into this hen house, maybe then people would stop talking about this garbage of a "show".
It reminds me of Ophra (sp?) or Springer in the morning and I refuse to watch it after seeing snipits of the program. Nothing could be more of a waste of time/life!
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful to the Ignorant"
I agree JAB.PLEASE make thi
January 11, 2007 - 19:48 ET by Front_RangeI agree JAB.
PLEASE make this site a NO VIEW ZONE.
The View women spew garbage and hatred. Why even quote their crap?
Tim, FR says, "PLEASE ma
January 11, 2007 - 20:06 ET by JABTim, FR says, "PLEASE make this site a NO VIEW ZONE."
I received backing within a few minutes of my posting. I must not have been too far off track.
FR, thanks for the backing.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful to the Ignorant"
JAB,I asked Noel to cease and
January 11, 2007 - 20:17 ET by BlondeJAB,
I asked Noel to cease and desist from further "The View" posts yesterday.
He responded that it was a valid expose of liberal spewing in the media. (He was right....even though it is sickening tripe....it is Liberal Media Bias)
So I guess, we shall just have to put up with it, a while longer. At least until it's gone.
I've never watched it, and never shall.
Ish.
Blonde, you may concede with
January 11, 2007 - 20:29 ET by JABBlonde, you may concede with that lame excuse but I shall not.
The "View" should be on the "comedy" channel at the least and a "horror" (with Rosie) channel at best.
BTW, I bought a new computer and lost your email address, PM me please, I have a good email to pass along.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful to the Ignorant"
JAB,Oh, I am definitely "
January 11, 2007 - 20:41 ET by BlondeJAB,
Oh, I am definitely "conceding"....I've tried to limit my posts on the View threads.
Um, "lame excuse"?
Blonde, yea, Noles' lame excu
January 11, 2007 - 20:50 ET by JABBlonde, yea, Noles' lame excuse for not omitting "The View" as a legitimate "News" source makes me start to question NB's.
I would dismiss this in a fraction of a heartbeat, if I was comparing "Real News" sources for legitimate discussion!
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful to the Ignorant"
Gee, JAB....You know I'm not
January 11, 2007 - 20:58 ET by BlondeGee, JAB....
You know I'm not the spelling police...but when I saw "Noles"....
I thought you were throwing me a bone....to my NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GATORS!
LOL.
I agree...The View is not a legit news source...but it is indicative of the liberal, um, garbage, that gets aired over the public airwaves every day. So I guess we should continue to at least be aware of it. We don't have to comment.
Blonde, (as I wipe tears) GAW
January 11, 2007 - 21:12 ET by JABBlonde, (as I wipe tears) GAWD your killing me. Too rich, I hope your kidding with me because I believe I am having a much larger time than yourself at this moment.
FYI, I am laughing "with you" not "at you", thanks again, after today, I needed that.
BTW, They are my Champs as well and I am only 50 miles from their home turf.
"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful to the Ignorant"
'tis the human(?) comedy in a
January 11, 2007 - 20:42 ET by FastEd'tis the human(?) comedy in action. Think on this. Imagine Rosie in Iraq. The possibilities! Insurgent target practice, 'cept 'tis pork. Would be a good defense against IED's, but, would tie up an M1A1 doing transport, never mind the global warming effects flying her there! Defense budget goes to hell feeding her. And finally, would the sand ever be clean again?
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
That's brilliant FastEd - Rosie in Iraq.
January 11, 2007 - 20:49 ET by acaiguanaThat's brilliant FastEd - Rosie in Iraq.
That'd end sectarian strife in a heartbeat. Look what it leads to.
Just walk her through the streets of Iraq. If those mean old Islamofascists don't run away it will be because they have died in their boots (sandles - whatever) from shock.
And you are totally right about her being bullet proof pork.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
FastEd, don't you think th
January 11, 2007 - 20:54 ET by JerryFastEd, don't you think the insurgents would welcome Rosie the domestic terrorist, with open arms? She shares the same agenda. They both hate America. They both hate GWB.
Although, there is the whole pork issue. Islamists consider pork unclean. Pork considers Rosie unclean. Rosie cleans out pork barrells for breakfast.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Jaundiced "View"
January 11, 2007 - 21:55 ET by nkviking75The sad part is, for some, this program shapes opinions. With Barbara Walters involved, the show has credibility to gullible audience members. Original host and moderator Meredith Viera came to the program from a journalism background, which probably added "gravitas" in the minds of some. So like it or not, it matters.
Is it just me or is Walters losing her mind in this picture?
January 11, 2007 - 21:59 ET by acaiguanaIs it just me or is Walters losing her mind in this picture?
Must be me.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
Poor Walters looks like Barry
January 13, 2007 - 09:24 ET by 4arrowPoor Walters looks like Barry Manilow singing Where Do I Go From Here?