Newsweek’s Howard Fineman didn’t wait long to file his disdain for President Bush’s speech to the nation about Iraq Wednesday night. In fact, according to the timestamp at MSNBC.com, his “A Crisis of Confidence” article was posted at 7:43 PM Pacific Time, or a little over an hour after the president finished. I guess Howard was anxious to tell his readers that “George W. Bush spoke with all the confidence of a perp in a police lineup.”
The article, which read as if it had been written well before the speech was given, continued (emphasis mine throughout):
I first interviewed the guy in 1987 and began covering his political rise in 1993, and I have never seen him, in public or private, look less convincing, less sure of himself, less cocky. With his knitted brow and stricken features, he looked, well, scared.”
Scared? Really? I must have had the wrong station on. Alas, Fineman continued:
But if he was trying to assure the country that he had confidence in his own plan to prevent that collapse, well, a picture is worth a thousand words. And the words themselves weren't that assuring either. Does anyone in America or Iraq , or anywhere else in the world for that matter, really think that the Sunnis and Shia will make peace? Does anyone think that embedded American soldiers won't be in danger of being fragged by their own Iraqi brethren? Does anyone really think that Iran and Syria can be prevented from playing havoc in Iraq and the rest of the region by expressions of presidential will?
Hmmm. Some of Howard's questions make one wonder if anyone at Newsweek really thinks. Sadly, Fineman was just getting warmed up:
George Bush had the look of a man who knew he had made a royal hash of things in reaching for what most enlightened people would say was a noble goal.
[…]
Problem was, Bush had long since forfeited the political credibility that FDR was able to maintain through his presidency. Roosevelt made huge mistakes, and the rules of the times allowed him to hold back much information. But the public believed him in his role as a leader of the Western World. Luckily for Roosevelt, he was on the radio for the most part.
Is it possible, Howard, that the public believed FDR despite his huge mistakes because the press back then didn’t undermine him 24/7 the way you and your colleagues have this president for more than three years now? Regardless of the answer, Fineman continued:
Bush's political problem is not so much that he has lied to the American people—though he may well have done so—but that he seems for years to have been lying to himself.
What the voters saw on TV just now was a man struggling to come to grips with his own unwillingness to face facts. It's still a struggle. His acknowledgement of mistakes was oblique and not as brave as it sounded at first blush. Mistakes were made, and he said. "The responsibility rests with me," he said. What he meant to convey was that others had made the mistakes, but that he was stepped up to take the hit. Hoo-aw! He said that he had "consulted" congressional leaders of both parties before he came to a decision on sending more than 20,000 additional troops. He didn't really consult with members of Congress, and certainly not with Democrats, unless you consider Sen. Joe Lieberman a Democrat.
Fineman concluded:
The president's chances of success, such as they are, now rest with the reasonableness and details of his plan. Will it work? His says that his generals "report" that it will. Do the American people believe that it will?
I'm not sure that they are really listening, but if they were watching, they can't have been reassured by the man they saw in the basement of the White House.
Actually, Howard, given how quickly this piece was posted, and its contents, I’m not sure you were watching either.
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Call a doctor!
January 11, 2007 - 10:55 ET by Jimbo“George W. Bush spoke with all the confidence of a perp in a police lineup.”
I am about to lose it. How can this be allowed??? This is our President for God’s sake! We are in a war! Something must be done about these traitors!
“…he looked, well, scared.”
I repeat – WE ARE AT WAR!! These people have no morals and don’t care about our country. These people must be held accountable for their traitorous behavior.
The only people who are scared are the MSM, the liberals, and the terrorists because they know this new plan presents the possibility of victory.
I think my blood pressure is dangerously high right now. Seriously.
Total disrespect! I can onl
January 11, 2007 - 11:10 ET by rimskyTotal disrespect! I can only repeat Jimbo.. THIS IS OUR PRESIDENT FOR GOD'S SAKE!
To portray him as a perp is beyond contempt.
Mr. Fineman - will you and others of your ilk EVER realize what is at stake here? We need to SUPPORT our President in this effort, even if we don't agree with all aspects of the plan. But to just blow off and show utter contempt is WAY out of line!
They've never accepted him as
January 11, 2007 - 11:41 ET by Prester JohnThey've never accepted him as President. The Supreme Court "selected" him after Gore was cheated in Florida, and any Democrat but Kerry (who was cheated in Ohio) would've beaten him in 2004.
That's their story and they're going to stick with it until 20 January 2009.
I hate to admit it, but I thi
January 11, 2007 - 12:43 ET by mattmI hate to admit it, but I think Fineman's statement is right. But then, Bush always speaks that way. He's not a slick use-car salesman (no offense to you used car salesmen) like Clinton... Frankly I'd like it a little better if he was a better speaker, but then it's the content that should matter... Too bad libs care more about style than substance.
On the content side, I think there should have been better details as to what specifically we're going to do and why. And more emphasis on getting the Iraqis to take more of the responsibility. He also should have detailed the reasons for the limited success - he said "too many restrictions"...what were/are they? and how is removing them going to help?...etc.
I trust the President. I believe in the goals of the WOT and that Iraq is a vital part of it. But one of my biggest beefs with Bush is his bad PR capabilities. It doesn't help when the MSM bashes him every day, or when politicians criticize his plan before even hearing it, etc. But he could do much better....
Speech grade: Content: B- Delivery: D- Overall grade: C- Good story.
This new plan has no posable
January 11, 2007 - 11:12 ET by blingbling65This new plan has no posable chance at success, zero.
Putting 5000 troops on the ground in Baghdad with a population of 7 million is like spiting in the ocean.
If you truly buy the bull that "WE ARE AT WAR" then YOU should be the president strongest critic, because he is F'en this whole thing up.
We need 100,000+ troops in Baghdad now to crush this uprising, it would be a could start putting in as many cops there are in New York 50,000.
This new plan is a nonevent, its pathetic.
Thank you Mr. Bling.
January 11, 2007 - 11:29 ET by acaiguanaThank you Mr. Bling.
Bling Bling, gets to sing. Warble garble, post and gargle.
Aside from your advanced education in Military Tactics, War and being a graduate from West Point, having served many years in the Infantry and taught at the Command College; what else did you have to make this profound pronouncement?
Or is KOS filled up with users today?
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
Respectable Response
January 11, 2007 - 11:38 ET by JimboI’ll try to respond to this trash in a respectable manner.
Mr. Bling – I respectfully disagree with your assertion that the President’s determination to win this war is “pathetic”.
The additional troops will be deployed in strategic areas around Bagdand and Anbar province which will result in a 50:1 ratio, which is an ideal ratio for the mission at hand. So your comment about needing 100,000 troops is based on a lack of understanding about well… just about anything.
To answer your question about whether or not I believe we are at war, well, yes, I do think so. Ask the rest of the lucid people in the country the same question and I suspect you will get the same answer.
I also request that you break ranks with the rest of your liberal conspirators and present an alternative plan to the President’s instead of calling his plan pathetic and walking away.
I’ll wait.
Jimbo, question.
January 11, 2007 - 11:42 ET by acaiguanaJimbo, question.
I’ll try to respond to this trash in a respectable manner.
Why?
ACA...
Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
1. To show that we are bett
January 11, 2007 - 11:47 ET by Jimbo1. To show that we are better than he is.
2. Becasue I'm a fool.
Naw, you just ate your serious Wheaties today.
January 11, 2007 - 11:50 ET by acaiguanaNaw, you just ate your serious Wheaties today.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
I never said Bush's determina
January 11, 2007 - 12:21 ET by blingbling65I never said Bush's determination to win the war is pathetic, I said his reasoning and judgment is horrible. How can anyone after four years of witnessing his incompetence could disagree with that assessment.
And your numbers are all wrong, it won't be 50:1 more like 200:1(badgdad is a city of 7,000,000 and even if it was 50:1 thats still way to high. We need 20:1 at a minimum. We are not even close.
But hows this for a plan get rid of the incompetent leadership that is George Bush, call a draft and send in 300,000 troops to retake Iraq. (half as many troops that we had in Gulf war 1 I might add)
Its time for real leadership, its time to remove the President and get some in there who can do the job.
Why dont you join up and help
January 11, 2007 - 12:29 ET by 1sttofightWhy dont you join up and help out?
With your superior knowledge and experience I am sure they would make you at least a General .
Do you really want him istofight?
January 11, 2007 - 12:32 ET by acaiguanaDo you really want him istofight?
I know a Sgt. Major who could introduce him to his 'favorite' hole in the ground, you know the one someone covered up with dirt and planted grass on?
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
There is no danger of him d
January 11, 2007 - 12:43 ET by 1sttofightThere is no danger of him doing that.
He is way to smart to do that. After all, only a fool wants to defend his country, at least according to Kerry
And blingboy has already shown us he is one of the Super Intelligent Libs who us ordinary folks need to listen to in order to make it through life.
I already did join up LINKI s
January 11, 2007 - 12:33 ET by blingbling65I already did join up
LINK
I suggest you all do the same
bling...let me ask, just what
January 11, 2007 - 12:41 ET by bassndudebling...let me ask, just what is your tactical background? You teach at West Point? For someone that has no clue what tactics are, you sure do rattle alot. Kinda like a little bitty pebble in a great big ole box. You roll around and make alot of noise but you really dont amount to much.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
On your own...
January 11, 2007 - 13:54 ET by UnsanePlease tell us on your own why you think Bush should be impeached. Let's see some articles of impeachment of your very own.
Why, because he isn't spoon-feeding you three times a day and changing you, as you demand government do?
Are you enraged that we have a military and use it on occasion?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
My Friend Bling
January 11, 2007 - 12:35 ET by JimboWell, allow me to respond again. As to my friends here at NB will ask me “Why??”, My response will be that Bling has simply fallen under the MSM’s spell and has lost his way. My tolerance for turning you around however, will all but be exhausted by the end of this post, so please listen carefully Bling.
You did say that the President’s plan to win the war is pathetic. You did. And I disagreed then, as I do now, with that assessment.
And as for my numbers, they are correct, and yours are wrong. As I wrote previously, and you either ignored or didn’t understand, is that the 50:1 troop ratio will be obtained by deploying them in the problem areas of Baghdad. Your disagreement on this point shows that you are calling the President’s plan pathetic, without really understanding what it entails. Note to Bling: You should educate yourself on a topic before you call it “pathetic”
As for your desire to remove the duly elected President from office, as I have stated before, I welcome your attempt to do so. Contrary to what you believe right now, I’m sure, there is nothing the President has done that even remotely calls for the invocation of the Article of Impeachment. Such an attempt by you and the rest of the lost left would expose a fundamental flaw in your position. That flaw is that your arguments are baseless, your representation of the facts are either completely wrong or misleading, and there is actually good resulting from our efforts in the Middle East.
So to understand your point correctly, the “Change in Iraq” the Democrats were talking about during the election is to “Impeach Bush”? Now that isn’t really new, is it.
So Bling, – I have attempted to show you the light, but I am betting my last dollar that a sarcastic, change of direction post is about to come.
I’m waiting for that and I’m still waiting for your alternative plan to win the war on terror other than “Impeach Bush”.
You're one hell of a compassionate guy, johnbo.
January 11, 2007 - 12:39 ET by acaiguanaYou're one hell of a compassionate guy, johnbo.
Hat's off to ya.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
It's Jimbo. Johnbo's a left w
January 11, 2007 - 12:42 ET by JimboIt's Jimbo. Johnbo's a left wing nut!
Sorry, Jim, I hate that when it happens.
January 11, 2007 - 12:45 ET by acaiguanaSorry, Jim, I hate that when it happens.
What's with the 'bo' everyone seems to tack on here anyway. It's all their fault I tell ya. I'm a 'bo' victim.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
All right first math is not s
January 11, 2007 - 13:00 ET by blingbling65All right first math is not subjective like you use of the facts, your either right or wrong in math and your wrong. There are only 14000 troops in Baghdad even with the added 16000 we won't get anywhere near 50:1 with a city of 7,000,000 people.
And if we can impeach a man for getting a BJ, then I think we could find a way to impeach a man for lying to us to go to war.
You are such an ignoramus.
January 11, 2007 - 13:11 ET by kathleenirishYou are such an ignoramus. Clinton did not get impeached for a BJ!
He lied under oath. UNDER OATH. He was disbarred for it, too. And, if the sexual predator hadn't sexually harrassed Paula Jones in the first place and lied about that, he would have been able to continue on his scumbag ways with impunity in the oval office, and everywhere else, for that matter. He has quite the track record. What a hero.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
AND??Your not possibly saying
January 11, 2007 - 13:26 ET by blingbling65AND??
Your not possibly saying that LYING about a BJ is the same as lying to the American people to get us in a war that has killed 3018 Americans, mutilated 50,000 more not to mention the 100,000's of Iraqis that have been killed?
This guy has got to go
Facts - Troll
January 11, 2007 - 13:35 ET by JimboIf you are going to call the President a liar, you can have the courtesy to support that with cold hard facts. And by the way - pulling nonsense out of your empty head and calling them facts doesnt count. I'm talking about documented facts. Surely you must have them at your fingertips.
If not, please refrain from posting anything else on this site.
And while you are figuring ou
January 11, 2007 - 13:40 ET by JimboAnd while you are figuring out how you can best change the subject instead of providing me with facts, answer me this. Assuming your logic is correct, which it clearly isn’t, that would mean that it is ok to break some laws, but not others. So I can grow marijuana, but not manufacture cocaine? So I can beat the crap out of someone but not kill them? Jeeze – do you libs ever listen to yourselves??
Laws are laws, I didn't say i
January 11, 2007 - 14:00 ET by blingbling65Laws are laws, I didn't say it was a bad thing to have impeached Clinton, I said if we can impeach a man for lying about a BJ, then we can certainly impeach a man for lying to get us into war.
Who can disagree with that?
Still waiting for proof that
January 11, 2007 - 14:08 ET by JimboStill waiting for proof that the President lied Bling........
WHAT'S THE FUCKING LIE THAT B
January 11, 2007 - 14:11 ET by TruthMongerWHAT'S THE FUCKING LIE THAT BUSH TOLD, ASSHOLE?!?!?!
HABLA ENGLISH, YA DUMBFUCK?
...dumbfuck must be googling
January 11, 2007 - 14:14 ET by TruthMonger...dumbfuck must be googling "his" answer...
TM
January 11, 2007 - 14:17 ET by Noel SheppardTM,
C'mon. As Esterhaus used to say, a modicum of decorum please. ns
Yeah, maybe 'dumbass' will su
January 11, 2007 - 21:52 ET by kathleenirishYeah, maybe 'dumbass' will suffice? t.m. is right, whatever words get used.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Come on TM...although I agree
January 11, 2007 - 14:18 ET by bigtimerCome on TM...although I agree with you heartfelt posts,and feel the same way, with all your anger, quit using the full four letter word here, there are other ways to put F'ing, please F'en quit doing that.... I am as angry as you.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
...all right...but you may h
January 11, 2007 - 14:21 ET by TruthMonger...all right...but you may have no idea how much restraint I'm already using : ) !
big hearted bigtimer
January 11, 2007 - 14:22 ET by tumbler_2007Who's your disgusting friend, BT? Haha!
Heartfelt posts ! Oh, be still my heart!
...oooh, am i being libsmacke
January 11, 2007 - 14:33 ET by TruthMonger...oooh, am i being libsmacked?! it kinda tickles...
"haha"
fumbler aka senor coyote
January 11, 2007 - 15:08 ET by misterbillstronzo== attacks everyone and doesn't know why no one likes him!!!!!
tumbler does NOT attack everyone
January 11, 2007 - 15:20 ET by tumbler_2007Sorry to conradict you, your divinity. But I save my "attack" for blowhards and imbeciles. You're one of each, but even you are never "attacked". I only reduce you to absurd level; where you came from.
I call you "divinity", because you speak as if you're God. Are you God? You think you are, because you say No one likes him. Now, if tumbler says --No one likes this cornuto, --I would have to know what every heart feels. I don't. In this world there are doubtless many good people who like you. (Don't ask me why; um not God.)
What a pompus twit. Save a Se
January 11, 2007 - 15:23 ET by bassndudeWhat a pompus twit.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Bassndude
January 11, 2007 - 16:55 ET by misterbillgrazie mio amici. Twit he is!!!!!!
You foolish mortal
January 11, 2007 - 15:29 ET by misterbillYou foolish mortal-yes , I am a supreme being. But to be modest, only when I am compared to a self appointed apologist for Hispanics like you. Those who he keeps identifying as non-whites, which no other blogger on this site does. But he may be right. I cannot truthfully say that he has attacked EVERY person on this site. So, I apologize. What I should have said is (from my absurd level, which is called sanity, but not by el coyote), a large number of people appear to dislike him. Not only is he an apologist but his fallback on Christian references and God are extremely hypocritical and will not earn him a place in Heaven.
Arriverderci, Stronzo!
poor mortal tumblero
January 11, 2007 - 15:42 ET by tumbler_2007Yes, thank you, cornutino. I'll take that humble pie. You see; I was just falling back on the Christian megillah hoping you would forgive my many sins. I'm guilty of calling you impotente and cornuto, on account of my hurt feelings. You gave me a name, stronzo.
You, who never attack anybody! Have your own children called you stronzo; and were they even your children? I hope they are, since it would be unchristian to doubt it. And, by the way--
I'm not an apologist for hispanics. They need no defense from your hatred, or the few other stragglers here who clamor for their white supremacist society. I defend those who cannot defend themselves. Or; I defend their right to exist. They may be lawfully deported to please YOU. That's fine, cornuto.
But they're human beings. Each one is a child of God. As even YOU are. (You've just had bad luck; I know.)
Silly, prejudiced man
January 11, 2007 - 16:02 ET by misterbillSilly, prejudiced man, I am a Latino. To me the ethnic groups of Italians, Portugese,Spaniards, Ctalans and Romanians are all from the same ethnic branch of the human tree. Thus, the sons and daughters of Mexico are from that same branch. They all speak a Romance language. It is you Signor Coglione who keeps creating a prejudicial difference. You are the most bigoted person that I have encountered on this site. I feel those who come to this country illegally, including the 30% of illegals who are Mexicans are violating our laws and hurting our country.You sir, are a hypocrite. So go back to your van with the false bottom and make your weekly trips across the border to supplement your retirement income. Then come here and attack those who love this country and recognize the harm that is happening. Count your ill-gotten gains.
missbill descends into lunacy
January 11, 2007 - 17:13 ET by tumbler_2007Hey, bestia,
How do you now figure I'm a smuggler of illegals? I have a very GOOD income, Sir. Better than yours. Now you'll cover your sorry ass accusing me of a crime? I dismiss your impotent attempt at making me angry. You aren't big enough.
However; Is nothing too low for your bottom-feeding? Eating barnacles off the pier isn't dirty enough? You can't even speak the truth anymore?
"I feel those who come to this country illegally, including the 30% of illegals who are Mexicans are violating our laws and hurting our country." So says the impotent liar.
Prove it, imbecile. Hurting our country because??? --It's ignorance that hurts this country. You're not even as intelligent as some morons on our Left. You're the Sean Penn of this side. And anyhow; who cares what you "FEEL"--?
misterb... He enjoys being d
January 11, 2007 - 15:52 ET by bigtimermisterb...
He enjoys being disliked and the attention he gets.
Sad, pathetic, lonely, miserable life he must have eh?
I pity his poor wife...that is if he really has one.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
I truly do not understand the
January 11, 2007 - 16:09 ET by paperheadI truly do not understand the left in this country. They don't care that we are in a state of war with an extremist religion that launched the deadliest attack ever on U.S. soil. We can't appease them or negotiate with them. Our only choice is to defeat them. Our military is made up of brave men and women who volunteer to join. No one is forcing them. They do it because they love this country and want to protect the freedoms we enjoy. Imagine how much more difficult it would have been for the United States to win WWII if the right were acting like the left is today. No doubt many would have been put in prison or worse for treason.
come now, smalltimer
January 11, 2007 - 16:13 ET by tumbler_2007I don't enjoy it when some dislike me. (That's mild, some hate me.)
You think my aim is getting attention? No, but I want to draw attention to the seeming ignorance of many who disparage and demonize illegals. It's something really, which is NEVER given attention here or in the other places news is reported. Well, not never we saw Kondrake & Barnes; Dick Morris and Geraldo --they expressed close to my opinion too.
But very little effort is made in our society, watching with unbiased emotion, the way Mexican illegal immigrants are bashed every day from --are you ready? --FROM THE RIGHT.
And I'm a conservative Republican willing to face YOUR outrage here in NewsBusters, a conservative site. My admiration for Mr Bozell is enormous, yet I'm sure he disagrees with my stands against you howling mad conservatives. Would I "enjoy" being disliked by him? Hell no I wouldn't. My intent here is to reach hearts. To open your cheesey eyes, smalltimer. Even against your will! Are you ready now, for a spoonful of sugar to help you get this medicine down?
I love some members of this blog community. I want them to like me. It's very important to me. Even you; instead of baiting me like some dirty old cur; just once treat me with respect. Respect for the strength of my convictions. Nobody enjoys being the punching bag all the time. Thank God you're wrong; my life is NOT lonely, pathetic or miserable. And my wife? A truly LOVELY woman who shares the principles I express here. I hope you can forgive her.
BT you are correct
January 11, 2007 - 16:13 ET by misterbillBT you are correct--perhaps I should be kinder. He seems so desperate for attention. He may not have received a lot of love growing up. He amy be one of those children who so craved attention that bad attention was better than none.He asked me if I was God today--another indication of instability.I should stand down and leave him in peace. I will let him vent his spleen on people with more patience than I. But a little part of me would like to get behind the facade and see the true Tumbler.
Hey now, careful with that
January 11, 2007 - 16:20 ET by Uncle JohnHey now, careful with that touchy-feely stuff... Hey, let's keep stretching this part of the thread until it's a one letter column!
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Liberalism ≠ liberty.
misterbill and his psychobabble
January 11, 2007 - 16:23 ET by tumbler_2007Hold on, corny;
I'm not venting my spleen. I'm always on the defensive haven't you noticed?
And this "patience" of yours. Patience? You coulda fooled me. You're running up on my heels every time I post. You can't WAIT to insult old tumbler. I guess you didn't have enough love as a boy from Daddy. You see me as your father figure? Piangi, ragazzo! Piangi, piangi!
buon pomeriggio
January 11, 2007 - 16:51 ET by misterbillbuon pomeriggio tu pappone. Forse Dio tu aiutare.
misterb,Good luck, and I do u
January 11, 2007 - 16:24 ET by bigtimermisterb,
Good luck, and I do understand, I was one of the few who tried to extend some kindness, and a semblance of trying to understand his views to him long ago...it is useless...he enjoys the attention...he is a troll as far as I am concerned, he just does an excellent job covering it with his other posts, but he is amusing, if you do not get mad.
Enough from me...carry on, I understand you and wish you the best.
I got to get for a few and make dinner and put in oven...
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
awake, misterbill?
January 11, 2007 - 20:28 ET by tumbler_2007That's fine, cornuto.
But they're human beings. Each one is a child of God. As even YOU are.
signed,
True Tumbler
go to hell, stupid
January 11, 2007 - 14:14 ET by tumbler_2007Haha! No need for bold type or uppercase. We know who um talkin about.
blingleftwingwhacko,I have to
January 11, 2007 - 15:01 ET by paperheadblingleftwingwhacko,
I have to disagree with you on Bush lying to get us into war. Bush clearly stated that Iraq was part of the "axis of evil" after 9/11. We gave Saddam too much time to move the WMDs into Syria prior to the start of the war. Go back to your patron saint Clinton and review his words in late '98 after bombing Iraq and tell me that the WMDs never existed. You can't. I believe the history books will vindicate Bush and thank God we had him as our President and not Al Gore. President Bush is a man of principle and does not care about polls.
A catalog of some Bush lies (
January 11, 2007 - 14:13 ET by blingbling65A catalog of some Bush lies (about Iraq):
"Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at [past nuclear] sites." Bush speech to the nation – 10/7/2002
"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people
now in custody reveal that
Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida."
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
"Our intelligence sources tell us that he (Saddam) has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production."
State of the Union Address – 1/28/2003
All false and I believe that in the coming congressional hearings, it will come out that Bush KNEW they were lies when he said them. If that’s true we are all morally obligated to remove him from office.
Again, this might be very pai
January 11, 2007 - 14:18 ET by UnsaneAgain, this might be very painful to accept, but Abu Nidal was found dead in Baghdad as our tanks approached. Do you know who Abu Nidal was?
If you cannot accept that freedom comes at a price, you are morally obligated to walk north across the Bridge of No Return to your brethren.
(P.S. If you want to impeach Bush for lying, I would suggest that many presidents before him needed to go for that as well.)
(P.P.S. Read the 22nd Amendment. Carefully.)
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
...as suspected the dude is
January 11, 2007 - 14:26 ET by TruthMonger...as suspected the dude is desperately "hoping" Bush lied - but doesn't know for sure...and in typical leftard fashion it's guilty EVEN IF PROVEN INNOCENT...good one, blinkdink...
Let us help you out here - how about at least just some evidence that Bush knew these were lies...also along with all of the other governments that said the same things, and the Clinton admin before him, of course...anything at all there...? Come on, there must be something for you to go and set up a whole web site?!!
(crickets chirping in anticipation)
"The British governmen
January 11, 2007 - 14:24 ET by Jack Bauer"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
"Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of Al Qaida."
Both true. The British government did claim that. So Bush was correct.
Not only did Hussein aid and abet terrorists, including Al-Qaeda, he also paid the families of the Palestinian entity terrorists who blew up Jews in so-called "suicide" bombings.
So it turns out you're the liar. Or ignorant. Probably both.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
Alright I think we're getting
January 11, 2007 - 14:46 ET by blingbling65Alright I think we're getting somewhere,
No BOTH of those assertions are false, and Bush did know they where false when he said them.
the british government never told bush that Iraq was looking for uranium if Africa Link
And Hussien never had a working relationship with Al qaida
Link (in fact he hated Al qaida more then we did)
now I'm begining to understand why you continue to think the way you do, your just uninformed. If you want more information then just ask.
See you all later
January 11, 2007 - 14:56 ET by JimboFor my own health, I think I need to take this moment to log off. I am confident that my bretheren can continue this on my behalf.
Yes, now we're getting somewh
January 11, 2007 - 15:03 ET by TruthMongerYes, now we're getting somewhere...the links don't work : ) ! Care to try again...?
Waiting breathlessly for more of this "proof..."
The links are PDF files Here
January 11, 2007 - 15:17 ET by blingbling65The links are PDF files
Here are the websites where they can be found
link1 http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
link2 http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/docs/memotext.pdf
...fixed them myself - same
January 11, 2007 - 15:18 ET by TruthMonger...fixed them myself - same old stuff - no proof of lies, not even evidence of lies...just evidence of mistakes in communication, or understandings, or opinions of bureacrats...is this the best ya got, bling?
Is this the basis for your formidable web site...? It seems you're the one who is mis-informed about what a lie is...or more likely you know what a lie is and you're actually the one lying about Bush lying...how humorously ironic you are...
I'm not sure what your saying
January 11, 2007 - 15:31 ET by blingbling65I'm not sure what your saying,
The 911 commission PROVED that there was no connection between Hussein and Al qaida, and the British memo PROVES that Bush intentionally lied about Iraqis effort to attain nuclear material.
And even if your twisted logic is correct, how can you defend a man so incompetent that he would lead us to war because "mistakes in communication"
Don't you want to hold him accountable for his failure to make the effort to know the truth BEFORE he sent us to war.
aaaahhh blingbling
January 11, 2007 - 15:35 ET by misterbillyou are an agent provocateur. Are you tumbler's agent for anti Bush discourse? Or are you just so darned positive that you are right? Do you believe the government was actually behind tyhe collapse of the Towers????
Mr Bill, he's 21 frickin ye
January 11, 2007 - 16:03 ET by MightyMouthMr Bill, he's 21 frickin years old! He learned how to properly masterbate just a few years ago! He can barely drink for cripes sakes. The punk is a total loser and doesn't have a clue about life. He is spewing talking points from KOS, hufftards and the MSM. Just ignore this jerk and guys like him. I have, and since then have dropped one blood pressure pill :-)
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
The British memo does not pro
January 11, 2007 - 15:41 ET by JimboThe British memo does not prove that the President lied. YOU are lying by making that claim.
And I refuse to buy into the MSM hype that the President is incompetent. I just don't beleive that to be true.
...these leftoids either don
January 11, 2007 - 15:51 ET by TruthMonger...these leftoids either don't understand WHAT A "LIE" IS...OR WHAT "PROOF" IS...or else they really do and THEY'RE LYING ABOUT HAVING PROOF THAT BUSH WAS LYING...
...so what's really behind all of this lying about lying we wonder? Why so desperate to pin Bush down on some sort of lie? All while the terrorists plot our distruction...
...what sort of twisted stupidity and/or evil drives these people, anyway?
the only thing that the 9/11
January 11, 2007 - 16:10 ET by kathleenirishthe only thing that the 9/11 proved was that Clintonites will stop at nothing to make sure certain events are portrayed in certain ways. Jamie Gore-lick? It was nearly a total joke.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Lest we forget... Sandy &quo
January 11, 2007 - 16:53 ET by JerryLest we forget... Sandy "docs in my pants" Burglar.. talk about corruption.
Bling is like a hog who rolls in his own feces all day and then calls the white horse out in the pasture a "filthy animal".
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
If anyone is uninformed and o
January 11, 2007 - 15:06 ET by UnsaneIf anyone is uninformed and overwhelmingly naive, it is you. Perhaps you can explain how Iraq was not a terrorist state, even as Saddam was handing $25K to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Is that why we went to war?If
January 11, 2007 - 15:20 ET by blingbling65Is that why we went to war?
If it is that's fine with me, but your admitting that Bush lied to get us into war. Given that there is plenty of evidence to impeach him.
Typical Leftist. Putting wo
January 11, 2007 - 15:32 ET by UnsaneTypical Leftist. Putting words into my mouth, or onto my keyboard.
Fact of the matter is that Bush was very up front about the war, it was voted on by both parties, and the UN supported it. You can't handle it because the government is not here to defend you from people who want to kill you. Government to you is a Big Nanny that is here to feed, clothe, and shelter you and otherwise spoil and pamper you. Fact of the matter is that we had ever right to invade Iraq for less: the moment one of our planes patrolling the no-fly zone on behalf of the U.N., we could have gone in for a violation of the original ceasefire. You MIGHT want to study that sometime.
Your last sentence betrays your illiteracy. Or your stubbornness, or both. I want you to, on your own, supply the Articles of Impeachment you would file against Bush. Put up or shut up time. No links, no cut and pastes. You, and you alone.
Finally, read the 22nd Amendment for homework tonight. There is a passage in there you will find quite interesting I am sure. I would quote it for you and put two and two together for you, but I am tired of doing the heavy lifting for whacked-out, spoiled brat Leftists. Do your own research and draw your own conclusions.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Answer the question, Did we g
January 11, 2007 - 15:44 ET by blingbling65Answer the question,
Did we go to war in Iraq because they were paying Palestinian suicide bombers?
And it may help to think that only Liberals think Bush is crazy, but the numbers are growing everyday from all across the political spectrum. Your backing the wrong horse, come on over to the right side. We need you.
Bush is for winning. You gu
January 11, 2007 - 15:46 ET by JimboBush is for winning. You guys are for losing. Who's backing the wrong horse?
Iraq was a terrorist state wh
January 11, 2007 - 16:17 ET by kathleenirishIraq was a terrorist state who sponsored terrorism and terrorists. That was only a part of the equation. Why don't you focus a little on the loser UN, their ridiculous 'resolutions', their pact-with-the-devil and the Oil-for-Food debachery (never reported on by UN-friend and lover, MSM) and their tacit support of Saddam and other despots around the world. That's never been a problem for the dumbass-left, though.
It's high time to drain the swamp, reptile.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Bling won't answer our questi
January 11, 2007 - 16:26 ET by TruthMongerBling won't answer our questions - but he demands answers to his...
The answer is yes, that was part of the reason...so what ya got next bling?
Why I will never join bling in being a Leftist
January 11, 2007 - 16:30 ET by UnsaneNo, bling. I think freedom is worth fighting for. I also believe in free markets, and that when I earn money, bling isn't supposed to steal it from me to give it to someone who is lazier than I. Therefore, I will never, ever join your side. You will always be an enemy, for your side induces ROT in societies for the sake of coddling the lowest common denominator.
I also believe that the United States, being the beacon of hope that it is to millions around the world, should by right be the baddest motherf$#!er on the block.
You are very much on the wrong side, but then, you are not as familiar as I am with the annals of history, the rotting EU, or other areas of the world.
I did answer the question; you fail miserably, and intentionally, to see it. Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism (unless of course you don't think that Palestinian suicide bombers are terrorists, which wouldn't surprise me in the least). We took them out. They violated the ceasefire the moment they tried to shoot down some of our fighters. The end.
I am still waiting for your alleged Articles of Impeachment. Or are you scared of yet another intellectual beat-down?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Nicely put, Unsane.I would ad
January 11, 2007 - 16:40 ET by kathleenirishNicely put, Unsane.
I would add that Bling doesn't mind the beat-downs, he must like them or he wouldn't keep coming back for more. C-Ya.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Hey Bling, Bling's profile:
January 11, 2007 - 15:44 ET by paperheadHey Bling,
Bling's profile:
I'm an active conservative, but I pride myself on keeping an open mind. I'm only 21 and am looking to learn as much about conservative politices as I can.
Is any of this true? You expect us to take you seriously? You sound like a leftist troll.
Nothing he has said thus far
January 11, 2007 - 15:47 ET by JimboNothing he has said thus far is true, why would he start with his profile?
Nothing he has said thus far
January 11, 2007 - 15:47 ET by JimboNothing he has said thus far is true, why would he start with his profile?
Sounds like a leftist troll?
January 11, 2007 - 15:49 ET by bassndudeSounds like a leftist troll? A-hem...have you been reading his posts? Conservative? Hes a socialist give me bum. Still sucking mom and dad dry...following in bill (bj) clintons footsteps.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
ph,If little ding-a-ling here
January 11, 2007 - 16:46 ET by Dave Rph,
If little ding-a-ling here is a conservative, then I am Makeda, the Queen of Sheba.
On "open minds"
January 11, 2007 - 17:26 ET by UnsaneAt ANYTIME you hear someone tell you "I'm open minded", or EVER hear or see someone refer to themselves as "open minded", you need to be seeing more red flags than at a 7 November parade in Red Square! The reason: those who claim to have an open mind (instead of just having one and letting others be the judge of whether or not you have one) are usually THE most closed-minded people of all!
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Isn't that similar to hearing
January 11, 2007 - 17:30 ET by Eric TurnerIsn't that similar to hearing someone say, "Hey! I'm not racist. I have a black friend."
"Perpetual itching without benefit of scratching to the enemies of America." - July 4th toast during the Revolution
hey ding-a-ling:Knock of the
January 11, 2007 - 13:36 ET by Dave Rhey ding-a-ling:
Knock of the bs about your concern about dying Americans. All of us here know this is a crock. More Americans are being killed right here in our own major cities (most of which are run by DimLibs) so spare us.
People like bling convince me
January 11, 2007 - 14:20 ET by UnsanePeople like bling convince me that it will in fact take an entire city getting completely destroyed before Americans wake up and "get it".
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
And when that happens, as I,
January 11, 2007 - 15:13 ET by Dave RAnd when that happens, as I, too, believe that is what it will take, it is going to be very interesting to see the reaction of ding-a-ling here and the rest of his The Enemy Within friends.
It will be Bush's fault.
January 11, 2007 - 15:15 ET by JimboIt will be Bush's fault.
Im gonna blame Kerry, Kennedy
January 11, 2007 - 15:17 ET by bassndudeIm gonna blame Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton, Pelosi ect, ect, ect....
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Your logic is twisted. You
January 11, 2007 - 13:38 ET by kathleenirishYour logic is twisted. You are twisted. Facts don't matter to you.
Sorry to burst your rose-colored bubble, but just because Chris Matthews and Howard Dean and other PhiBetaKappa's like Cindy Sheehan claim Bush lied, doesn't mean it's true, gobshite.
The claim that George Bush lied to get us into a war is beyond odious. It is also tedious. We've gone down this path before with you.
We have lots of threats to this country and most of them reside in the MSM and the among the Democratic contingent in the Congress.
Killer Kennedy and Dick Turban come to mind.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
blingy...The elected Preside
January 11, 2007 - 13:39 ET by bigtimerblingy...
The elected President will go after he is done serving his term he was elected for...that is how we work here in the US. Unless you get impeached and convicted.
Which isn't going to happen...period.
This President, and our military and others that serve have even protected the likes of you and all your squirrely little weenie friends...you ungrateful piece of work.
Snap out of it!
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
I'm sorry, exactly where in
January 11, 2007 - 13:24 ET by Uncle JohnI'm sorry, exactly where in this is the part about a BJ? That president got in hot water because he perjured himself under oath, at least once. And that's an undeniable fact.
Sorry you can't grasp that the 50:1 ratio applies to the specific parts of Baghdad and Anbar where the troops will be sent, rather than either location as a whole. I can see how that would be difficult to understand...for a third-grader.
Liberalism ≠ liberty.
I stand corrected, I guess ma
January 11, 2007 - 13:35 ET by blingbling65I stand corrected, I guess math can be subjective.
If you put as much effort into making America a safer place as you do in trying to conjure fantasies that justify the Presidents asinine foreign policy, we would all live in a utopia.
Show me in my previous post
January 11, 2007 - 13:44 ET by Uncle JohnShow me in my previous post the "effort" you claim I expended to "conjure fantasies". While you're at it, describe for me in detail what "fantasies" I was "conjuring". Please limit the scope of your response to the words I actually used, and do not launch into some kook left-wing diatribe about how what you think I said confirms some goofy talking points you picked up out on the far-left side of the Internet. Last, prove to me that my previous post required an out-of-the-ordinary amount of effort.
Liberalism ≠ liberty.
Typical
January 12, 2007 - 09:05 ET by Uncle JohnYeah, didn't think so. Troll.
Liberalism ≠ liberty.
Oh please, can't you libera
January 11, 2007 - 13:28 ET by Jack BauerOh please, can't you liberals stop mentioning the malignant narcissist Clinton. MoveOn why doncha.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
Sorry Bling
January 11, 2007 - 13:30 ET by JimboSorry Bling, I tried, but you found it easier to be an ignorant lapdog of the liberal media instead of being someone capable of thinking for himself. I warned you my patience would run out!
The 50:1 ratio (I assume you know what a ratio is, let me know if you need additional clarification), as I am pointing out now for the third time, represents a troop to citizen ration in Baghdad’s problematic neighborhoods. Not the 7,000,000 total population you insist on using. Like I said - understand the plan before you trash it. Otherwise everyone knows that you are just another run of the mill ignorant bush hater (lower case intended!).
And finally, just as I predicted, instead of arguing the facts, you throw in the classic liberal change the subject maneuver. And why not use the mother of all misdirections, the Clinton impeachment. But as Kathleen points out, when you are going to invoke your idol Bill Clinton, at least do that correctly. He was impeached and disbarred for breaking the law. Not disrespecting the office of President of the United States, which he did so well and so frequently.
Have a nice day in la la land.
the whiny blingbling
January 11, 2007 - 14:00 ET by UnsaneTwo things that will be horrifically painful for you to accept:
1) War is not a pure numbers game. It also involves things like tactics, logistics, and so on. (Of which from your posts you know nothing.)
2) The United States could have invaded Iraq from the moment one of our planes was illuminated by SAM radar in the no-fly zone, according to the 1991 ceasefire.
Face it, you are nothing more that a whining, spoiled brat who wants to do nothing but cry for the government to coddle and spoon-feed you, while doing zero heavy lifting. I can see you being among the countless NB Leftists who'll be screaming like a two year old about your rights and freedoms as the bad guys riddle you with bullets, laughing.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Clinton was not impeached jus
January 11, 2007 - 14:59 ET by NL207Clinton was not impeached just for committing perjury. the most serious charge leveled against him was obstruction of justice. The specific allegations were that he sent his associate, Vernon Jordan to offer a cushy job to Monica Lewinsky in exchange for her silence on certain matters of his conduct in the Paula Jones case. This is the same chage that would have been leveled against Richard Nixon: he had authorized the payment of hush money to E Howard Hunt and Gordon Liddy for their silence in the matter of the Watergate burglary.
I am certain you feel it was just and proper for Nixon to resign or be removed. How is it you do not feel that way about the Slickster, who commited the same offence? Could it be you are a hypocrite?
Bling Is On His Own Swing
January 11, 2007 - 19:16 ET by emjem24As a military spouse, Bling, I have a question. Why don't you join up if you're so determined? I'm not sure you would while people like my husband are doing the real heavy work of this war that most Americans think that they're too good to do. Here's another question, why don't we replace the incompetent democratic leadership and put in people with real solutions? No? You want a power grab not real solutions.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
I would suggest to you that s
January 11, 2007 - 13:15 ET by blarsenI would suggest to you that seeing as Bush's approval rating on the war is roughly at 30% the lucid majority oppose the war, and the 2006 election is proof of that. We can put as many available troops all over Iraq, kill a bunch of Sunni insurgents, declare victory and bring the troops home and put the rest on alert in Kuwaiit. Then when another insurgent pulls a suicide or car bomb in Baghdad, and then another and another are we going to bring everyone back? These skirmishes between Shiite and Sunni will be going on for a LONG time. We've killed Saddam and established a democracy. We can't sit around and hold the Iraqi's hands any longer.
I say kill 'em all and let
January 11, 2007 - 13:35 ET by Uncle JohnI say kill 'em all and let Allah sort 'em out. Oh, sorry, was that out loud?
Liberalism ≠ liberty.
UJ,Exactly. And let's hope
January 11, 2007 - 15:34 ET by Dave RUJ,
Exactly. And let's hope he stays busy, too. Really, Really busy.
I Second that...both above po
January 11, 2007 - 15:42 ET by bigtimerI Second that...both above posts!
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
His approval rating can be ze
January 11, 2007 - 14:04 ET by UnsaneHis approval rating can be zero on the war and he'll still be President until 1200 EST on 20 January 2009. Polls matter nothing.
Should we have given up on South Korea back in the 1970s as Jimmy Carter wanted? It wasn't a full throttle democracy until 1987.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
What do you propose to do abo
January 11, 2007 - 15:05 ET by NL207What do you propose to do about the 12,000 Al Qaeda fighters that Al Qaeda leader, Abu Al Masri, says are on the ground in Iraq? Merely withdrawing while leaving them in an undefeated state will only draw them to attack us elsewhere. The whole purpose of the WoT is to smash the Islamic Terrorists and render them impotent. Here is a golden opportunity to kill 12,000 of them. And don't tell me these guys have nothing to do with 9-11. They are Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda IS 9-11.
Memo to WH Chief of StaffSubj
January 11, 2007 - 12:14 ET by FastEdMemo to WH Chief of Staff
Subject: Foreign Analyst
Sir - please hire blingbling65, ASAP, as he has anaylzed all socio, political and military opptions that you have so obviously missed and, has come to the conclusion that the rest of you have no idea of what is going-on in that part of the world. It then becomes imperative that his hire, be immediate, knowing that he does have the solutions and plans that you have obvioiulsy missed or have misconstrued to date. AND, his use and choice of words will shurly help with any and all negotiations that he instigate. His grasp of the obvious and statements to the same would be of significant help to you now and in the future.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
Memo from WH Chief of Staff Re: Memo above.
January 11, 2007 - 12:20 ET by acaiguanaMemo from WH Chief of Staff Re: Memo above.
Could not get Mr. Bling out of the locked ward. Further, his tin foil wrap (he's past the hat stage) keeps setting off the metal detectors carried by the Secret Service and appears to actually have embedded in his skin.
We are consulting with the Hospital Staff about this problem, but it looks like even hooking up an audio/visual feed from his padded room won't fly as he has insisted on a lead shielding that was installed last year.
Our budget people tell us that the 'drool' and 'Depends' (tm) factor also is not covered in our janitorial supply line item.
We are letting out a contract to Art Bell to study how to get him on board. Back to you Sissle and Ollie.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
Memo from WH Chief of Staff
January 11, 2007 - 19:00 ET by ckc1227Memo from WH Chief of Staff Re: Memo above.
In addition, turns out ding ding is not 21, regardless of what his various online profiles claim. Indeed, it seems he is only 15, much too young to be considered for the position he has been recommended for.
Sincerely,
WH Chief of Staff
Thanks for your support
January 11, 2007 - 12:23 ET by blingbling65Thanks for your support
bling's real day job
January 11, 2007 - 14:07 ET by UnsanePlease don't quit your day job of sitting in the House of Representatives crying "FEED ME! FEED ME! FEED ME!" with your empty nursing bottle held out.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
I agree. Just like we should
January 11, 2007 - 12:21 ET by blarsenI agree. Just like we should make war profiteering treasonous as Harry Truman championed during WWII. When we are at war, private companies who have employees in government shouldn't be awarded mammoth no bid contracts.
blar. Ya mot say:
January 11, 2007 - 12:28 ET by tumbler_2007You mean shhhweetheart contracts? In mon best Bogart impression.
So you believe government sho
January 11, 2007 - 14:09 ET by UnsaneSo you believe government should directly control all industry then?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Howard Fineman, a journalis
January 11, 2007 - 10:59 ET by Red JeepHoward Fineman, a journalist, playing at being a psychologist, without a degree. Does he have a degree in anything?
This should explain it - Fine
January 11, 2007 - 12:05 ET by FastEdThis should explain it - Fineman holds an A.B., phi beta kappa, from Colgate, an M.S. in journalism from Columbia, and a J.D. from the University of Louisville.
There is no sense in being stupid, if you can't prove it! - my dad
All but one is a Public School, too.
January 11, 2007 - 12:08 ET by acaiguanaAll but one is a Public School, too.
Is it just me or whenever I hear 'Colgate' I keep thinking toothpaste?
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
Me too. First thing that co
January 11, 2007 - 12:15 ET by Red JeepMe too. First thing that comes to mind is toothpaste.
in 2000 fineman wrote a pie
January 11, 2007 - 11:02 ET by buddycin 2000 fineman wrote a piece in newsweek trying to define bush jr before the election. he wrote this big article about how awful bush senior was (and obviously his son) for not following up and getting rid of saddam and what a threat saddam was and that he had wmds and etc and etc. he referred to several democratic politicians (i believe dodd was one) and some liberal "experts" who criticized bush for not following up to rid us of this awful threat. you can get past issues of newsweek and read it.
he is nothing more than a partisan politcial hack.
He’s worse than that. An
January 11, 2007 - 11:10 ET by JimboHe’s worse than that. An article like that is irresponsible, dangerous and directly endangers the live of our troops and every American citizens at home and abroad. Newsweek should be ashamed for allowing that to be printed.
FYI, Bush, George 'W', is not a Jr.
January 11, 2007 - 11:12 ET by acaiguanaFYI, Bush, George 'W', is not a Jr. If Fineman used the term he was wrong.
It would be OK to refer to Bush, George H.W., as Bush, the Senior.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
Matthews
January 11, 2007 - 11:14 ET by iveseenitallIsn't it Chris Matthews who just proclaimed that it is he, himself, who is "terrified"? President Bush is courageous; Matthews and Fineman are "journalists"- 'nuff said.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Oh, but buddyc.. that was t
January 11, 2007 - 11:15 ET by rimskyOh, but buddyc.. that was then, this is now, don't ya know? These days, to be Kool, you bash Bush.. no matter the affect it has on the national psych, or that of our brave troops, or the boost in moral it gives to our enemies.
Slightly off topic but you al
January 11, 2007 - 11:29 ET by Prester JohnSlightly off topic but you all should be glad to know that Michelle Malkin is now in Iraq to report on what is REALLY going on.
http://www.michellemalkin.com/
Oh, has anyone happened to notice that since Saddam bit the big one that the number of Iraqi and US casualties has dropped significantly? Maybe, just maybe, some of the Sunni insurgents finally realize that Hussein, his sons, and his brother-in-law are never coming back and they are fighting a useless fight? Just a thought.
excellent observation, PJ
January 11, 2007 - 11:39 ET by tumbler_2007You nailed it, Man.
My Mom had a favorite old Latin saying: There's no evil that endures for a hundred years. Better days are coming for the Iraqi people. They know it.
Noel:Obviously you were watch
January 11, 2007 - 11:41 ET by Dave HighNoel:
Obviously you were watching re-runs of The Andy Griffith Show because Fineman was dead-on in his analysis. What I saw was a president who started out stuttering and stumbling with the soundman apparently forced to cut out his most egregious bumbles with awkward silences, to a president doing his best “dear in the headlights” look, to finally a decidedly psychotic performance where Bush threatened Maliki that if he didn’t do more to stop the insurgents, he would lose the support of the American People. Doesn’t Bush know that his war on Iraq has long since lost the support of the American people and that the loss (past tense, not future) had little to do with Maliki? Geesh, be scared. Be very, very scared. Noel, you were obviously watching Bush through your Andy Griffith filter just as assuredly that Bush lives in another surreal and strangely psychotic world.
Regards,
Dave High
Traitor.
January 11, 2007 - 11:45 ET by JimboTraitor.
Dave High
January 11, 2007 - 12:24 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
I received a number of calls last night after the president finished, and they were all quite positive. Of these callers, several were friends of mine who are Democrats that can't stand Bush. Regardless, the feedback was unanimously thumbs up.
Last night, the president spoke to the nation as an American, and not a Republican or Democrat. Sadly, much like Fineman, your hatred for this man is so intense that you can't even see when he does a good job.
Regardless of whether you agree with his statements last night, this was a president speaking from the heart about a dire situation facing this country. Alas, the reality is that he could have said anything -- even something you would support -- and your biases would prevent you from agreeing with it. Why is that? ns
Noel:I don’t hate George Bu
January 11, 2007 - 12:51 ET by Dave HighNoel:
I don’t hate George Bush, I just hate what he has done to this country. It’s sort of love the sinner, hate the sin sort of thing. Last night, rather than pledging to begin a dialogue with Iran and our other regional adversaries, he threatened them by pledging to send a new nuclear carrier group. Knowing what you know about the situation over their, do you think heightened threats will help? What’s to “thumbs up” about that?
Regards, Dave High
Dave
January 11, 2007 - 13:05 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
Bubby, you're missing the point. Forget about the content. You stated that you agreed with Fineman's point about Bush looking like a scared perp. I quite disagree, and believe that this was actually a fine moment for the president from a presentation standpoint.
As for threatening Iran, you must have been watching Olby and Matthews, for that was their take. Yet, are you seeing a response in the energy and precious metals markets that support your premise that this is what he did?
For example, at this very moment, oil is down $.32, gasoline is down $.012, and gold is down $1.50. Is this the reaction we would normally see from these markets if the president made a threat to an OPEC nation? I don't think so. As such, it appears that only extreme liberals read his speech this way, for folks that control billions of investment dollars certainly didn't.
Finally, do you see the solution in Iraq as negotiating with Ahmadinejad and Assad? Have they presented themselves as honest brokers in this incursion or as it pertains to the Israeli-Palestinian issue? What do you specifically see them doing -- that we could rely on -- to help this situation? ns
Noel, how did the "is&
January 11, 2007 - 14:00 ET by Uncle JohnNoel, how did the "is" get left out of Dave High's screen name? Do you know of a NB tech person who can look into this?
Liberalism ≠ liberty.
Uncle John
January 11, 2007 - 14:09 ET by Noel SheppardUJ,
Please be advised that some good-natured ribbing is taking place that shouldn't be taken too seriously.
:-) Well, as this is his real name, there isn't much to check on. However, if you remember the old Cheech and Chong routine, Dave's Not Here might be a good alternative as well. :-) ns
Even better. I tip my hat
January 11, 2007 - 14:27 ET by Uncle JohnEven better. I tip my hat to you, sir.
Got to run now - my momma's talkin' to me, tryin' to tell me how to live.
Liberalism ≠ liberty.
Noel:I will have to revisit t
January 11, 2007 - 20:57 ET by Dave HighNoel:
I will have to revisit the old Cheech and Chong skit. Obviously you have a better memory! :-) Regards, Dave High
Dave High
January 11, 2007 - 21:33 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
Yeah, I bet. Don't want to admit how C&C were your favorite comedy duo in front of the class, do you? I understand. ;-) ns
Noel:I was into Jethro Tull a
January 11, 2007 - 22:24 ET by Dave HighNoel:
I was into Jethro Tull at the time and bought all of their albums, although I never thought to buy a Cheech and Chong record. Perhaps I heard C&C records in your basement? :-) Regards, Dave High
PS - Okay, this is getting silly.
Dave
January 11, 2007 - 22:58 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
Yeah, but silly is good. BTW - What was your favorite Tull album? I bet most people would say Aqualung. However, I thought Benefit and Stand Up were far superior. Your thoughts, Hobson. ns
Gold seems to be holding pr
January 11, 2007 - 14:18 ET by sarcasmoGold seems to be holding pretty-steady around $612 (well, steady for gold) today. For the year just past, gold was up 23%, and silver was up 45.5%. At a time when the government feels the need to forbid exporting the pennies Reagan debased from copper to zinc to hide inflation due to too much spending (while sarcasmo bitched, internetless, and nobody-else noticed in 1982) it's important for individual investors to question government allegations of a "strong dollar." This is especially true in a sea of borrowing by the Chinese & red-ink in general due to various fiscally-profligate causes which I'm sure can all somehow be blamed on partisan Libertarians. I'm not predicting the future, but the facts about metal prices seem to indicate a brand new generation might be learning about the word "inflation" soon...
JMR
Sarc
January 11, 2007 - 14:27 ET by Noel SheppardJ,
You know my position on oil, precious metals, and commodities prices. And, since we've been talking about it, this entire complex has been collapsing. Oil now at 19 month lows as it bangs in to $52. Gasoline under $1.40 for the first time since December 2005. CRB at over two-year lows. Regardless of what silver and gold did last year, all of these charts look terrible.
Thanks for getting me great weather in FL while I was on vacation. :-) ns
Heh. You should have seen t
January 11, 2007 - 14:37 ET by sarcasmoHeh. You should have seen the weather in Costa Rica & Panama -- both were like paradise for me, but not just because of the sunshine! Anyway, my position on the US government printing too much green paper also is unchanged, so while I have no idea what oil will do due to factors like this, I doubt owning precious metals can be all that bad a decision due to little-noticed but unrefuted-IMO rants like this.
JMR
your hatred of bush
January 11, 2007 - 13:12 ET by tumbler_2007Dave Highbrow:
If you knew anything about Islam you'd think before questioning this attitude toward Iran. No lesser than Osama bin Laden explained it well: I see a weak horse and then a strong horse. I choose the strong one and reject the other (paraphrased). Such is the Islamic conventional wisdom. Bush is more the strong horse speaking out this way; as every Muslim will immediately grasp. To have pussy-footed around the weaklings in Congress last night would only have sent the WRONG message to Iran and all the Middle East. The reason you on the Left don't realize these obvious truths is-- your hatred of George W Bush.
Not just that. Consider how Bush's speech is being parsed and understood in Teheran today. You suppose they're laughing at the deer in the headlights stare? THIS is their unanimous take-->>> OH NO!!! We're in the American's gunsights and he's NOT backing off! They understand the great danger their country's in now. Bush is planting the seeds of VIOLENT dissent in every young Persian's mind as they choose between the madman in their gov't and peaceful co-existence with America. Already many young men in Iran are aching to kick Almdinesjad out. Some more threats might just push them into open revolt. Bush is crazy like a fox! He speaks to the U. S., thinking, "Listen up, Iran. We're about to bombard you back into the stone age. Yes, YOU!"
'dialog with Iran'. You're
January 11, 2007 - 13:23 ET by kathleenirish'dialog with Iran'. You're serious? Ask the International Atomic Energy Commission how the 'dialog' is going with Iran; or their buddies, the erudite uber-negotiators, the Europeans. What is it, 19 years now? All their appeasement and talk has gotten them exactly:
Nowhere.
you want to keep 'talking', Dave? They'll give up their support of terrorism and their ultimate goal of destroying Israel and the US, if only guys like DAVEY talk to them. Too ridiculous and sad to laugh at.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Dave, for once, I agree. We
January 11, 2007 - 14:13 ET by UnsaneDave, for once, I agree. We should keep talking to them. We'll just make a phone call to our embassy in Tehran and...
Wait! What's that? We don't have an embassy in Iran? Why could THAT be???
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Yeah, and you were watching B
January 11, 2007 - 11:49 ET by SmartypantsYeah, and you were watching Bush through opaque lenses. Bush has never been comfortable reading from a TelePrompter; it has little to do with being scared in any way. Anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention to him knows he is at his best when he is speaking freely as he does in his debates and at press conferences---which is why he generally performs well in those situations.
The truth is you are just a naysayer. You stopped listening to Bush a long time ago, and that is generously assuming that you ever listened to him. The plan he laid out last night makes a hell of a lot more sense than anything that has been brought forward so far. If the Dems have a better plan, bring it on out. If not, get out of the way for once. Bush is attempting to try to actually win this conflict. What the heck are the Dems, and people like you, doing?
Well, the comment from Dave H
January 11, 2007 - 11:51 ET by SmartypantsWell, the comment from Dave High to which I was responding disappeared. I'm sure it's for the best.
I certainly saw it
January 11, 2007 - 11:55 ET by tumbler_2007Smartypants: Your reply was here. Can't explain it, but you got a bullseye.
terrific reply, smartypants
January 11, 2007 - 11:52 ET by tumbler_2007BRAVO! Put it in your pipe, Dave Highbrow, and smoke it.
I didn't see the speech las
January 11, 2007 - 13:01 ET by balboaI didn't see the speech last night so I can't comment on that, but I always thought Bush was better off with a script, as when he adlibs he often says things like "decider," "strategery," "A sovereign nation is a nation that's...sovereign," and "'Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
The MSM in early 1864:Mr. Lin
January 11, 2007 - 12:00 ET by Prester JohnThe MSM in early 1864:
Mr. Lincoln, Generals McDowell, McClellan, Pope, Burnside and Hooker all failed in their attempts to defeat General Lee and take Richmond, and General Meade blundered when he allowed Lee's army to escape after Gettysburg. What makes you think Gen Grant will be any more successful? Isn't it true that you cannot win this war militarily and that the only way to establish peace is through negotitations?
Well, Grant and a decent barrel of whiskey negotiated just fine.
January 11, 2007 - 12:06 ET by acaiguanaWell, Grant and a decent barrel of whiskey negotiated just fine.
ACA
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He didn't look cocky (but they always complain he looks cocky?!)
January 11, 2007 - 12:15 ET by blackrain4xmasHere's my take on it, you can decide if he was cocky, tough, or scared. This was my daily email to Chris Matthews and Hardball where Fineman perches.
I used the heading, "funniest take on the President's speech last night"hardball@msnbc.com -------------------------------Bush's best line of the night-possible the best and most important line he's spoken since his Jan29, 2002 Axis of Evil State of the Union speech:" It is fair to hold our views up to scrutiny. And all involved have a responsibility to explain how the path they propose would be more likely to succeed. "
Most people didn't even see the right cross across Howard Dean's face. It happened so fast, with such textbook precision, and with such clarity and deliberate effect of purpose that few even notice it today.
Let's look at the replay:
"It is fair to hold our views up to scrutiny. "
Here the President is holding out his hand in an obvious effort to hold the door open to those who wish to leave the anti-war party and walk back into our plane of reality where a 'just leave' strategy seems viable, acceptable, and even good.
"And all involved have a responsibility..."
Here we see the President's comforting and welcoming gesture of an apparent call for bi-partisanship. It sounds so warm and fuzzy. It's a can't-we-all-get-along lovefest. But what's really happening is that his outstretched arm of embracing is drawing attention and while no one notices, his left shoulder has moved forward bracing upon his left foot.
"...to explain how the path they propose would be more likely to succeed. "
KA-POW!!! The right arm of open embracing and apparent love for healthy debate and sweet unity while casting aside the partisanship that's divided the nation and threatens to lose another American war in the exact same manner as Vietnam....wha!? It wasn't an outreach. The President just wound up and in those closing 13 words of his 19 word move, he just crushed Howard Dean and every single Democratic piece of post-powergrab opposition rhetoric.
Here it is again....listen carefully to the sound of the wheels that had been spinning in opposition members minds as they clung on every word looking for a way to strike, when hit...they machinery stops in an instant-
"...to explain how the path they propose would be more likely to succeed. "
Friends, that's perfect rhetorical boxing imo. The only thing that could have taken that from a 10/10 to an 11 would've been bigger speakers (exclusive to Spinal Tap) and the inclusion of "A New Direction In Iraq" http://newsbusters.org/node/8944
For example, if the President had instead said,
"It is fair to hold our views up to scrutiny. And all involved have a responsibility to explain how the path they propose would be more likely to bring success and take us in A New Direction In Iraq. "
OMG, I think Chris Matthews would've had a stroke. Those 5 words of that were the crux of the Dem's midterm campaign promises, "A New Direction In Iraq." They hang upon their necks like an .....
....well, like an elephant. Problem with power is it comes with responsibility, and Dems have to be more than just the opposition party now. They have to PUT UP OR SHUT UP "It is fair to hold our views up to scrutiny. And all involved have a responsibility to explain how the path they propose would be more likely to succeed. " LOL! Anyone seen that vaunted, "New Direction In Iraq" plan that Dean, Pelosi, Reid, and other Dem leaders tricked voters into believing even existed? Anyone who believes the Dems have any sort of plan, or that one can want America to succeed and/or win in Iraq while being anti-war in Iraq....well, they're just pawns to the Deans of the party.
Did that lack confidence? Did he seem weak when he just bitchslapped every hollow Dem leader who complains about the war without offering options, who promised us a plan called "A New Direction In Iraq," but admitted they never even formed a brainstorm committee (it was all just a pandering PR scheme to con people like Matthews, Fineman, and other political pawns into selling Dems as a better option while they offered nothing but sizzle, sold it as steak, and tasteless hacks like Fineman, Matthews and a long list of others bought it.
http://newsbusters.org/node/8944
BWUhahahahahahahaha!!!!! Now they're so frustrated that they'll eat BS and call it steak even KNOWING its BS
http://newsbusters.org/node/9974#comment-254600
I can't wait until this all s
January 11, 2007 - 12:29 ET by sembyI can't wait until this all succeeds and these people are finally shown for what they really are:
Email Fineman webeditors@newsweek.com; livingpolitics@yahoo.com
Bush kept talking about thing
January 11, 2007 - 12:49 ET by john ryanBush kept talking about things that the Iraqi government "must" do. My question is "What if they don't/can't ?" What are we going to do then ?
Don't is one thing. Can't is another.
January 11, 2007 - 12:54 ET by acaiguanaDon't is one thing. Can't is another.
Can't is being taken care of by the surge. Don't is taken care of by the statement that the US support is not open-ended. One is dependent on the other.
Next question?
You might re-read (or read the first time) through the speech at what the President said. He's not a Democrat. He actually means what he says.
ACA
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ACA:"Next question?"
January 11, 2007 - 13:28 ET by Dave HighACA:
"Next question?"
Since you are so good at answering questions, I am sure you can help me with this one. The other day, in a tacit acknowledgement that the U.S. doesn’t have 21,500 battle-ready forces to “surge” into Iraq, the official said what we would actually do is a “gradual surge” of troops. Now, “gradual surge” sounds like an oxymoron to me, so please explain, exactly what is a "gradual surge" of troops?
Regards, Dave High
Dave High - the answer is till "42".
January 11, 2007 - 13:50 ET by acaiguanaDave High - the answer is till "42".
BTW, don't bother to talk to me. I have a life.
ACA
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slow network
January 11, 2007 - 13:50 ET by acaiguanaslow network
I would love to see where you
January 11, 2007 - 17:41 ET by Roger the ShrubberI would love to see where you read that, Dave. I, too, am interested from where the troops will come. Please post a link!
RtS:You asked for a link? Y
January 11, 2007 - 19:45 ET by Dave HighRtS:
You asked for a link? You got it! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,242614,00.html
Directly from your friends at Faux News, by the way. Here's a brief Google synopsis to save you time: Official: Troop Surge in Iraq to Begin This Month, Defense official speaking anonymously says build-up of Amercans in Iraq will be gradual, but start soon.
If you want more evidence, Google "gradual troop surge". Stay alert to the news in the future, by the way. You never know when your conservative NewsBuddies will give you a behind the scenes bricking. Bwaaaaahahahahaha!
Regards, Dave High
No offense, Dave, but the art
January 11, 2007 - 20:15 ET by Roger the ShrubberNo offense, Dave, but the article says nothing about a "tacit acknowledgement that the U.S. doesn’t have 21,500 battle-ready forces to “surge” into Iraq". It does say the troops will be taken from different sources. You do not move 21,000 troops at the drop of a hat. I am sure you already knew that, being a military expert on top of being an endless well of knowledge when it comes to grammar, politics, and foreign policy.
You chided some folks here earlier for using "pure speculation", that Fineman wrote much of his Newsweek piece before Bush's speech, yet you turn around and do the same. In your zeal to be funny, snarky, and clever, methinks you outsnarked yourself, and now look a wee bit hypocritical.
You have been a registered used for quite a while now, yet you obviously do not know who the Bush-bots are here and who aren't. I recommend you re-considering assuming that everybody here are fans of Fox News. You know what happens when you assume, right?
Logistics
January 11, 2007 - 20:20 ET by Unsane"You do not move 21,000 troops at the drop of a hat."
Hey, that's my field! Logistics! Somebody call me?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Un, how long does it take to
January 11, 2007 - 20:23 ET by Roger the ShrubberUn, how long does it take to move a brigade (they have about 4,000 troops total give or take, right?) from one place to another? I assume armor take a helluva longer, right?
I, having training in this ar
January 11, 2007 - 22:11 ET by UnsaneI, having training in this area, cannot answer. Before I can, you have to determine the mode (ship? Rail to ship? Road to ship? Parcel some on airlift and ship heavier equipment? etc). Of course, then you have to tell me what kind of unit it is, what it does, what kind of equipment it has, and then I have to take in other considerations (movement of explosives and ordinance, where to stow it in transit, on the ship/rail car/truck/plane, anand so forth...)
OK, OK, assuming shipping from port to port, stateside to the AOR (Iraq in this case), you are looking at about...a week or 10 days (I'm just a landlubber, any sailor is welcome to smack me if my estimate is wrong. You can get the troops there faster via airlift.
Think of this as an illustration of just how much of a pain in the ass it could be to move a unit. Oh, from one place to another: within the AOR, from stateside to a deployment to the AOR, etc. No, moving a unit is not as apple-pie easy as the Leftists would have you believe. When Rep. Murtha proposed we pull out of Iraq and leave several thousand troops at Okinawa to intervene, I hit the ceiling; I did that without even thinking a quarter of the way through all the crap you would have to deal with just to HOPE to make that happen.
Working in logistics can be fun, I must admit. It's always fun when you tell a bunch of senior officers why something can't happen because the available airlift isn't there, the runway can't support the plane, fuel for jets is unavailable, etc. :-)
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Uns....Many were prepositione
January 11, 2007 - 20:24 ET by BlondeUns....
Many were prepositioned in Kuwait.
Gee...go figure.
RtS:Okay, peace. I conceed
January 11, 2007 - 20:42 ET by Dave HighRtS:
Okay, peace. I conceed some of your points. I don't know if you, or anyone else is a fan of Fox News, or if they are "Bush-Bot's." I will however defend my point about the absurdity of a "gradual troop surge;" Language from our defense department.
Regards, Dave High
Actually, it was a "seni
January 11, 2007 - 20:48 ET by Roger the ShrubberActually, it was a "senior U.S. official" not "language from our defense department" who made the "gradual surge" comment in the Fox News article.
RtS:Okay, you and I are now
January 11, 2007 - 21:10 ET by Dave HighRtS:
Okay, you and I are now into a semantic battle of he said, she said. Let's change the argument. The core of my argument is that, once again, the Bush administration has introduced a "new plan" to change the course of the war in six months. Yet, the new plan is apparently a gradual troop surge. I heard nothing new last night.
Regards, Dave High
John Ryan:By golly, I believe
January 11, 2007 - 12:55 ET by Dave HighJohn Ryan:
By golly, I believe you hit the nail on the head! There is no centralized government in Iraq; only the pretense of one.
Regards, Dave High
What's your point, assuming y
January 11, 2007 - 13:05 ET by JimboWhat's your point, assuming you have one?
Wait - Never mind- I know. Bush and everything America stands for is evil.
Dave High, like bling, blarse
January 11, 2007 - 14:25 ET by UnsaneDave High, like bling, blarsen, and other Leftist NBers, hate America because we aren't some rotting, babying, Western European Nanny State.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
jr....What if they can and do
January 11, 2007 - 13:11 ET by bigtimerjr....
What if they can and do...
You and all your ilk will find something else to try and ensure a defeat.
Simple as that.
Pathetic little people.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Bush has pretty much laid the
January 11, 2007 - 17:39 ET by Roger the ShrubberBush has pretty much laid the cards out on the table. If this does not work, then America leaves Iraq in shame, and Iran controls the region.
I can deduce from the tone of your last post that would be gratifying to you. Otherwise, you would have seen the logic in Iraq's fledgling gov't acqueincencing (is that a word?) to our demands.
....was posted at 7:43 PM Pac
January 11, 2007 - 13:00 ET by Dave R....was posted at 7:43 PM Pacific Time, or a little over an hour after the president finished.
I'm just guessing here, but I'll bet Howie Not-so-Fineman had probably already written it. All he then had to do was make a few strategic edits and send it on its way.
Dave
January 11, 2007 - 13:08 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
Exactly. Likely 90 percent or more was written before the speech. How disingenuous. ns
Noel, imagine my horror at learning this.
January 11, 2007 - 13:17 ET by acaiguanaNoel, imagine my horror at learning this.
ACA...
Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
AC
January 11, 2007 - 13:20 ET by Noel SheppardAC,
I saw that somewhere this morning. Don't remember where. Isn't that the first Egyptian having a conversation with a liberal? ns
Noel:"Likely 90 percent
January 11, 2007 - 13:34 ET by Dave HighNoel:
"Likely 90 percent or more was written before the speech. How disingenuous."
How can you know this? Why speculate on what you don't know? How can you build a case on pure speculation? How is this combating liberal bias if you use clearly speculative and biased arguments to do it?
Regards, Dave High, NewsBuster Buster
Aww, come on, Dave!Even you c
January 11, 2007 - 13:39 ET by Dave RAww, come on Dave!
Even you can't be THAT dense.
Dave
January 11, 2007 - 13:40 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
You must separate what is written in the articles from the comments. Obviously, I have no idea how much was written before the speech. However, I can speculate like anybody else, can't I? Or, am I not entitled to such liberties because I am a conservative writer? ns
Well, it IS impressive that
January 11, 2007 - 17:35 ET by Roger the ShrubberWell, it IS impressive that a 700+ word essay just flew off of Fineman's fingertips in a 90-minute span. I am no journalist or editor, but I would have to assume that would be astonishing.
As for "building a case on pure speculation", is not that what the Left has done for years regarding evolution, global warming, abortion, etc?
Noel,Correct me if I am wrong
January 11, 2007 - 14:20 ET by Dave RNoel,
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the text of presidential speeches usually released prior to the speech taking place? I seem to recall reading that somewhere.
Dave
January 11, 2007 - 15:35 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
It depends. Last night, only parts of the speech were presented to the press before airtime. However, I know that there are times when the entire speech is. I imagine this is the president's decision. ns
I quit listening to Fineman a
January 11, 2007 - 13:46 ET by bigtimerI quit listening to Fineman a long time ago, when I see him, I usually turn it, unless there happens to be to a conservative next to him I think will get the chance to talk, otherwise he is just dust in the wind to me.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
I thought one of the most psy
January 11, 2007 - 13:52 ET by Dave HighI think one of the most psychotic comments in the speech last night was when Bush admonished us that “… this is not the kind of war that will end on the deck of an aircraft carrier.” Funny, I could have sworn that Bush Hisself declared victory on the deck of an aircraft carrier several years ago! “Mission Accomplished,” or something to that effect. Whoever wrote that line for him must have a great sense of humor, knowing that Bush wouldn’t grasp the factual truthiness of the statement.
Regards, Dave High
Dave High
January 11, 2007 - 14:03 ET by Noel SheppardDave,
Okay, now everyone should take notice that a conservative is going to somewhat agree with a liberal. I promise this will not lead to an immediate cataclysm of epic proportions.
Psychotic is overstating it, Dave. However, I didn't like that line either. I agree that someone missed the obvious irony here. ns
Someone in Iran just called.
January 11, 2007 - 14:10 ET by kathleenirishSomeone in Iran just called. They said, "We want to talk to that Dave guy. Such a way with words. He'll know how to make everything right with the world. There hasn't been anyone this intelligent, aware and on the cutting-edge of geo-political insight before. If only the administration could talk like he does! We can't wait for negotiations now!! Whadda guy." He and his liberal theology will blow those Iranians/Syrians/ what-have-you away! (No pun intended) Just like it always has....right?
Sounds of crickets chirping.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Aircraft Carrier??? BS!
January 11, 2007 - 14:21 ET by Jimbo“Victory will not look like the ones our fathers and grandfathers achieved. There will be no surrender ceremony on the deck of a battleship.”
Hey Dave High as a Kite - above is a quote from the President’s speech last night. As you can see, your post above is grounded in pure BS. The President never said aircraft carrier. He said battleship. His was referring to the Japanese surrender after WWII. It’s available in most history books if you are interested in learning about it.
This is a prime example of how liberals pull things out of their ass, outright misquote someone, and run with it like it is fact.
Fineman Writes Garbage
January 11, 2007 - 16:54 ET by doctorfixitThe guy is consistently as dishonest and as unlikeable as Paul "The Liar" Krugman. Their heads should be used as bookends on the shelf of liberal punditry. Boycott Newsweak. It's a singularly crappy publication that I canceled decades ago. The other Newsweak pus-bucket is the execrable whutzer name Eleanor Clift. The ugliest person inside and outside I have ever witnessed, sorry Donald, but she's even worse than Rosy O'Dildo.
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Dude, you need one of my Helen Thomas Mouse Pads.
January 11, 2007 - 21:02 ET by acaiguanaDude, you need one of my Helen Thomas Mouse Pads.
ACA
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Fineman Is A Journalist Traitor
January 11, 2007 - 19:09 ET by emjem24It's always nice to see our journalists pulling together in a time of war. It's always nice to ridicule Pres. Bush instead of covering him with some balance. It's always easy to defame something that you wouldn't agree with in a million years than actually do your damn job, Fineman. I don't agree that journalists haven't played a bigger role in the war's demise. Fineman is a pacifist weenie with little intellectual honesty. But, then, were we expecting anything different?
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto