On Tuesday's Countdown, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann branded White House press secretary Tony Snow "Worst Person in the World," accusing him of "bald-faced lying" about President Bush's so-called "Mission Accomplished" speech about which so much of the media has obsessed. During the January 9 White House Press Briefing, Snow responded to a question in which he took exception to this media obsession over the President's May 1, 2003 speech on the USS Abraham Lincoln declaring an "end to major combat operations" in Iraq. While Snow slightly mis-stated the back story of how the "Mission Accomplished" sign was placed on the ship, Olbermann ignored Snow's overall point that even during that speech, the President had acknowledged that more work lay ahead to stabilize Iraq, and himself deceptively tried to prove that Snow was a "liar." (Transcript follows)
After Olbermann contended that "honesty is not part of this job" of White House press secretary "no matter the party," he admonished Snow: "But to fully BS a question about the President's infamous dressup day as Commander Flies-A-Lot, May 1, 2003." Olbermann then quoted one line of Snow's remarks that were only slightly off factually, while ignoring the more valid general point. Olbermann, quoting Snow: "'You know that the Mission Accomplished banner was put up by members of the USS Abraham Lincoln, and the President in that very speech said just the opposite, didn't he?'"
The press secretary had erroneously claimed that the banner was "put up by members of the USS Abraham Lincoln" when more accurately they had the idea of displaying the banner but left it to the White House to actually do it, which could easily have been a mistaken recollection or flub on Snow's part. But as Olbermann sought to prove Snow was lying, he made no mention of the Navy's support for the banner as he made it sound as though the White House was totally responsible for its display, citing former White House press secretary Scott McClellan. Olbermann: "Tony, my God, you're just bald-faced lying. Even your predecessor Scott McClellan said the White House made the banner and sent it to the Lincoln to be put up."
Snow's contention that in the speech the President had "said just the opposite" was a reference to Bush's statement that there was still "difficult work" ahead and that it would "take time" to establish a democracy. In words not conveyed by Olbermann, Snow had continued, referring to the President: "Instead, he cautioned people at the time that there would be considerable continued violence in Iraq, and that there would be continued operations for a long period of time. That single episode has been more widely mischaracterized than just about any aspect of the war."
And as Olbermann quoted Bush's radio speech at the time as saying that the "mission is complete" and that "major combat operations in Iraq have ended," Olbermann did not quote the President's warning from the same speech: "Our coalition still has much work to do in Iraq. We are bringing order to parts of that country that remain dangerous. We are pursuing and finding leaders of the old regime who will be held to account for their crimes. ... The transition from dictatorship to democracy is hard, and will take time, but it is worth every effort."
And as Olbermann quoted Bush's declaration of the end of "major combat operations," he did not quote Snow's acknowledgement that those words were used as the press secretary had argued there was a distinction between "major" operations and all operations. Snow: "He said it was the end of major combat operations, but he did not say it was the end of operations."
Below is a complete transcript of Olbermann's comments about Snow from the "Worst Person" segment from the January 9 Countdown show, followed by relevant portions of Snow's comments from the January 9 press briefing, as shown on the White House Web site:
From the January 9 Countdown show:
Keith Olbermann: "But our winner tonight, White House press secretary Tony Snow. Look, obviously, honesty is not part of this job -- no matter the President, no matter the party, I'm giving you that. But to fully BS a question about the President's infamous dressup day as Commander Flies-A-Lot, May 1, 2003. Quoting Mr. Snow, 'You know that the Mission Accomplished banner was put up by members of the USS Abraham Lincoln, and the President in that very speech said just the opposite, didn't he?' Tony, my God, you're just bald-faced lying. Even your predecessor Scott McClellan said the White House made the banner and sent it to the Lincoln to be put up. Even Donald Rumsfeld said he talked the President out of saying Mission Accomplished, but he couldn't get the banner pulled down in time. Even the President himself said in his next radio speech that on the Lincoln, quote, 'I delivered good news to the men and women who fought in the cause of freedom. Their mission is complete, and major combat operations in Iraq have ended.' I mean, you were hired to lie. At least do it well; we're not all third-graders out here. White House press secretary Tony Snow, today's 'Worst Person in the World.'"
From the January 9 White House Daily Press Briefing:
Q Tony, this goes to your previous acknowledgment that the President is aware of public anxiety about the situation in Iraq. What would your guidance be to a public that has seen the President stand under a "Mission Accomplished" banner, proclaim an end to major combat operations, the Vice President talking about the "last throes" -- how should the public go into viewing this speech tomorrow?
MR. SNOW: I think the public ought to just listen to what the President has to say. You know that the "Mission Accomplished" banner was put up by members of the USS Abraham Lincoln. And the President, on that very speech, said just the opposite, didn't he? He said it was the end of major combat operations, but he did not say it was the end of operations. Instead, he cautioned people at the time that there would be considerable continued violence in Iraq, and that there would be continued operations for a long period of time. That single episode has been more widely mischaracterized than just about any aspect of the war.
Q We can debate whether the sign should have been there, whether the White House should have not had it there, but the fact is he stood under it and made the speech.
MR. SNOW: You're right, after people had been on a 17-month deployment, and had said "Mission Accomplished" when they're finally able to get back to their loved ones, the President didn't say, take down the sign, it will be bad. Instead what he did is he talked about the mission. And I would direct you back to the speech he gave then, Peter, because the President --
Q No, I know --
MR. SNOW: Well, then, you know that the President has made it clear that in a time of war you are going to have different phases and you're going to have different responsibilities.
—Brad Wilmouth is a news analyst at the Media Research Center.



















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It doesn't burn me up that Ge
January 10, 2007 - 10:03 ET by JohnboIt doesn't burn me up that George Bush will be President until January of 2009. I, like Osoma ben Forgotten, WANT him as President. Osoma helped re-elect him in '04 with his last-minute video that the CIA interpreted as an effort to help Bush - as Ron Suskind noted in his book "The One Percent Doctrine".
From Wikipedia(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Osama_bin_Laden_video):
Ron Suskind noted that the CIA analysis of the video led them to the consensus view that the tape was designed strategically to help President Bush win reelection in 2004. Deputy CIA director John E. McLaughlin noted at one meeting, "Bin Laden certainly did a nice favor today for the President." Suskind quoted Jami Miscik, CIA deputy associate director for intelligence, as saying "Certainly, he would want Bush to keep doing what he’s doing for a few more years." [1] [2]
I want him to stay President because everything he touches turns to shit. While I agree with some of the basic conservative principles, the way conservative philosophy has manifest through Bush, the neocons, the religious right, etc. has been an unmitigated disaster. A few more years of Bush and it will be a loooong time before many of the worse examples of their version of conservatism will ever be supported again.
Johnnybo, I think you meant
January 10, 2007 - 10:08 ET by JerryJohnnybo, I think you meant "Osamma Bin TurnedLoose by Clinton"
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Ah, yes, Clinton. Of course
January 10, 2007 - 10:16 ET by JohnboAh, yes, Clinton. Of course, how could I have been so stupid???
"Of course, how could
January 10, 2007 - 10:18 ET by MightyMouth"Of course, how could I have been so stupid???"
A question that will plague you all the days of your life, Johnbo.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
LOL!!!! Even the super c
January 10, 2007 - 10:20 ET by JerryLOL!!!! Even the super computer in Hitchhikers Guide may have trouble with that question.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Of course the super computer
January 10, 2007 - 10:29 ET by JohnboOf course the super computer would know the most basic fact in the universe - THAT IT'S CLINTON'S FAULT. Hey, even the simpletons on NewsBusters know that.
Kettle
January 10, 2007 - 10:32 ET by UnsaneJust as you say "IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT" all hours of the day and night?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Why didn't Cliton kill bin-la
January 10, 2007 - 15:06 ET by mastersofdeceitWhy didn't Cliton kill bin-laden?
"The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim " --2/23/1998
I think the bigger question i
January 10, 2007 - 17:08 ET by blarsenI think the bigger question is: Why didn't Bush kill bin laden?
I think it is safe to say
January 10, 2007 - 17:18 ET by JerryI think it is safe to say that OBL would be with his 72 virgins now if he had been offered to GWB like he was offered to WJC.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Isn't is rich how the "person
January 10, 2007 - 17:44 ET by blarsenIsn't is rich how the "personal responsiblity" wingnuts blame everyone except Bush for Bush's mistakes? Everything is Clinton's fault, except tonight when Bush calls for more troops--THAT will be Nancy Pelosi's fault.
Hey, if the shoe fits.BTW,
January 10, 2007 - 17:50 ET by JerryHey, if the shoe fits.
BTW, what mistake would that be?
Clinton turned down OBL. TRUE
Bush sent troops to kill OBL. TRUE
Dems do everything in their power to encourage and embolden our enemy. TRUE
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Why didn't Cliton kill bin la
January 10, 2007 - 17:50 ET by mastersofdeceitWhy didn't Cliton kill bin laden?
"The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim"--2/23/1998
Simpler questions
January 10, 2007 - 17:20 ET by UnsaneI know this will sound redundant, but as long as these Leftists keep bringing it up...
My first point is a simple one. We aren't looking for OBL? I'll be sure to tell some friends of mine currently deployed to Bagram, Kandahar, and Bishkek this. They sure would be surprised to hear this.
Second point: what specifically will finding OBL SOLVE beyond bloodlust? You DO realize that someone else who hates America as much as he does WILL take his place, correct? No, you don't. You want OBL caught so that you and your Leftist fellow travelers can loudly declare "WORLD PEACE! Rose gardens are spontaneously bloming EVERYWHERE! I guess we don't need a military now! Let's build the biggest, nicest Nanny State the world has ever known!!!"
Third point: Where were all you Leftists in the 1980s when Abu Nidal was out and about? Were you guys all demanding we stop the Cold War, withdraw from Europe, and invade the Middle East to find Abu Nidal? (Nah. But you WERE demanding we unilaterally withdraw from Europe to show the Soviets just how super-nice we were in the United States.)
I wait with baited breath as you address these issues.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
LOL
January 10, 2007 - 10:09 ET by jcrueciting wikipedia? hysterical.
I find it useful but, if you
January 10, 2007 - 10:15 ET by JohnboI find it useful but, if you don't like it, please look up any of thousands of other links that will tell you about the assesment of the Osama ben Forgotten video and the CIA assessment of it.
Note to everyone: This thread is screwed up. I posted the item above in response to something Unsane said way down in the thread. That post is now missing and other posts by someone using "Johnbo" have been added. Just be aware.
so go find a reputable source
January 10, 2007 - 10:21 ET by jcrueyou know like they taught you in high school and college.
use the first source or nothing, the editorialization of wikipedia makes it laugable in every academic sense.
if you want to be taken seriously, be serious, not intellectually lazy.
You're lecturing ME about bei
January 10, 2007 - 10:27 ET by JohnboYou're lecturing ME about being "intellectually lazy" while MISSING THE WHOLE POINT OF THE RON SUSKIND LINK??? What a freaking moron!
If it's not TOO much trouble, google on Ron Suskind CIA Osama bin Laden and see which link YOU like best. I've personally found Wikipedia to be useful.
You evidently aren't really interested in the point of the post and want to obsess on the link. Find your OWN freaking link, moron.
Johnbo, could you please tr
January 10, 2007 - 10:46 ET by MightyMouthJohnbo, could you please try to get your point across WITHOUT all the name calling? You dipshit!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hey, who are you calling a fr
January 10, 2007 - 10:59 ET by JohnboHey, who are you calling a freaking dipshit, dipshit?
double post? or just nervou
January 10, 2007 - 11:04 ET by MightyMouthdouble post? or just nervous?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hey, who are you calling a fr
January 10, 2007 - 10:59 ET by JohnboHey, who are you calling a freaking dipshit, dipshit?
double post? or just nervou
January 10, 2007 - 11:04 ET by MightyMouthdouble post? or just nervous?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Apparently, the thought of ha
January 10, 2007 - 11:12 ET by JohnboApparently, the thought of having to respond to some of the denser bloggers on NewsBusters without name calling as a tool has affected me on some deep level and produced a double post.
Johnbo...losing...argument...
January 10, 2007 - 14:41 ET by TruthMongerJohnbo...losing...argument...badly...he....must...fight...logic...truth...etc...using...dkos and tinhat...read...copy...paste...malfunction...malfunction...
Johnbo meltdown imminent...in t-minus...3...2...1...
must. .not...call...TruthMong
January 10, 2007 - 14:56 ET by Johnbomust. .not...call...TruthMonger...names...even...if...he...is...dense...as...a...brick...
I think you'll find that a
January 10, 2007 - 15:37 ET by MightyMouthI think you'll find that a "brick" really isn't that dense. As a matter of fact they are quite porous. Now a "rock", on the other hand, is much more dense than a brick. You see Johnbo, you are out of your league here on NB, you cant even insult someone without f***ing up!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
...must...not...insult...MM..
January 10, 2007 - 15:45 ET by Johnbo...must...not...insult...MM...and...call...him...names...even...if...he...is...as...dumb...as...a...doorknob...
You mean as dumb as this do
January 10, 2007 - 15:57 ET by MightyMouthYou mean as dumb as this door knob . It can tell the difference between the owner of the house and some dimwit (nothing personal) who just wants in to steal stuff? Is that the kind of door knob you're talking about?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
...must...remember...not...to
January 10, 2007 - 16:08 ET by Johnbo...must...remember...not...to...damage...MM's...fragile...self esteem...by...calling...him...a...dolt...a...retard...or...a...retrobate...any...more...
<Yawn!> <scratches
January 10, 2007 - 16:15 ET by MightyMouth<Yawn!> <scratches> Ok. See ya around. <Yawn!>
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Buuurrrp! Ahh.Yeah, back at
January 10, 2007 - 16:20 ET by JohnboBuuurrrp! Ahh.
Yeah, back at you, little buddy.
Apparently, the thought of ha
January 10, 2007 - 11:12 ET by JohnboApparently, the thought of having to respond to some of the denser bloggers on NewsBusters without name calling as a tool has affected me on some deep level and produced a double post.
I know this will sound redund
January 10, 2007 - 10:10 ET by UnsaneI know this will sound redundant, but as long as these Leftists keep bringing it up...
My first point is a simple one. We aren't looking for OBL? I'll be sure to tell some friends of mine currently deployed to Bagram, Kandahar, and Bishkek this. They sure would be surprised to hear this.
Second point: what specifically will finding OBL SOLVE beyond bloodlust? You DO realize that someone else who hates America as much as he does WILL take his place, correct? No, you don't. You want OBL caught so that you and your Leftist fellow travelers can loudly declare "WORLD PEACE! Rose gardens are spontaneously bloming EVERYWHERE! I guess we don't need a military now! Let's build the biggest, nicest Nanny State the world has ever known!!!"
Third point: Where were all you Leftists in the 1980s when Abu Nidal was out and about? Were you guys all demanding we stop the Cold War, withdraw from Europe, and invade the Middle East to find Abu Nidal? (Nah. But you WERE demanding we unilaterally withdraw from Europe to show the Soviets just how super-nice we were in the United States.)
I wait with baited breath as you address these issues.
Wikipedia? Your source evaluation skills are still lacking. I would suggest doing something about that and making it a New Year's resolution.
And spare me this "I agree with some of the basic conservative principles" line. You are clearly enraged that we even have a military and you see it as the force of all that is evil in the world, and on many posts before this you have advocated the government do what you personally lack the guts to do: steal from the producers in this economy. You also clearly place the government at the center of the universe and want them to solve EVERYTHING.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???" - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
"Osamma helped re-elec
January 10, 2007 - 10:16 ET by Jerry"Osamma helped re-elect [Bush]..."
Riiigghht... Osama' train of thought..... "Let's see... Bush wants me dead... Clinton set me free.... Kerry wants to be my friend.... Bush... definitely Bush..."
Or maybe he was confused by the infamous butterfly ballots.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Osama's train of thought: Bus
January 10, 2007 - 10:56 ET by JohnboOsama's train of thought: Bush uses fundamentalist Christian phraseology to frame the "war on terror" and creates what's percieved, by equally wacked out fundamentalist muslim nutcases, to be a "holy war" , fueling outrage among religious zealots in the middle east easily manipulated and used by Al Qaeda to whip up even MORE anti-America sentiment . . . the inevitable excesses of Bush's incomprehensibly incompetent war in Iraq (Abu Ghraib and "colateral damage" for instance) gets played endlessly on TV throughout the Arab world whipping up torrents of hatred toward America . . . etc. etc.
Conclusion: Bush is a useful tool/fool. Help re-elect him.
Johnbo Johnbo Johnbo, terr
January 10, 2007 - 12:23 ET by JerryJohnbo Johnbo Johnbo, terrorists throughout the world are praying to their false god for democrats to come to power in America. Democrats are the best friend a terrorist ever had. Republicans want to wipe them off the face of the planet. It's an easy choice.
Democrats would allow them to continue building up their cells across the globe in preparation for their ultimate "holy jihad" against all things non-islamic. Heck, the democrats would probably subsidize their efforts in their great quest to show tolerance for all things wicked and intolerance of all things good.
And once again... "Bush's incompetent war in Iraq.." Only in the deluded mind of a Kos-mo-knot.. Never before have TWO COUNTRIES been taken from desperation to democracy quicker and with fewer casualties. Afghanistan held a free election. Iraq held a free election. Failure??? BS! Sadaam is dead. Osama Bin SetLoose (by Clinton) is on the run (thanks to Bush). Terrorists are fighting us in Iraq instead of in America.
We are having trouble securing the peace thanks to the left and the MSM who are constantly emboldening our enemies and weakening our efforts. THAT will be the great democrat legacy. That is your legacy from Vietnam. That is your legacy now. We could secure the peace in two weeks if the leftoids would go the hell away.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
NEOCON
January 10, 2007 - 10:20 ET by Six String SpiffDidn't take long for neocon to be in there, did it? YOu are absolutely CLUELESS about conservatism. Romney 08 my friend. Then you panty wearing pinkos will REALLY have something to cry about. Liberals won with CONSERVATISM. The most hilarious thing is you guys actually believe GWB is a CONSERVATIVE!! ha! Think about it. Did any liberal win with any of their "values"? Nope. I can guarantee you that most people want us to open up on Iraq. Take all of the factions out. None of this door to door bullsh*t, risking lives. We invented MOAB for a reason
Not all Muslims are Terrorists. However, 99% all the Terrorists have been Muslim. Racist? No, FACT
They don't call you "spa
January 10, 2007 - 10:33 ET by JohnboThey don't call you "spaceman" for nothing, do they?
Of course Olbermanic "ig
January 10, 2007 - 02:25 ET by mattmOf course Olbermanic "ignored Snow's overall point that even during that speech, the President had acknowledged that more work lay ahead to stabilize Iraq." You can't expect honest, thoughtful commentary from a Liberal puke like K-boy, can you?
I wish Olberman would just
January 10, 2007 - 02:32 ET by terrigI wish Olberman would just go away.
ua contrare...long live this
January 10, 2007 - 10:27 ET by TruthMongerua contrare...long live this bonehead...
OLBY makes the left look so pathetically obnoxiously bad - almost as rotten as they REALLY AND TRULY ARE : ) ! The RNC should be paying him...
It is olberman the liar. No
January 10, 2007 - 05:46 ET by Andrew H.It is olberman the liar. Nothing he says can be taken seriously--he adds nothing to the public discourse except lies and distortions... olberman, people with half a brain can see through your idiocy.
Liberalism is a convenient lie.
Okay, so I am just going to t
January 10, 2007 - 05:23 ET byOkay, so I am just going to throw this out there and see if anyone tosses me something:
So what is the answer?
Debra...
www.InformingChristians.com
Debra, I don't have the answe
January 10, 2007 - 08:41 ET by JohnboI am a flaming liberal. I hate Religion. Please ban me from this site.
Violence: guaranteed to solve LOTS of problems
January 10, 2007 - 08:55 ET by UnsaneI have an answer for that: Violence is time tested and true. It solves LOTS and LOTS of problems and is historically proven to do so.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???" - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
“Vengeance is mine sayeth t
January 10, 2007 - 09:23 ET by Johnbo“Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord”. From some book called The Bible, I think. I think it also said something like, “As you give so shall you receive”. And somewhere I heard someone say, “What goes around comes around”. Not sure who that dude was but it is kind of catchy, huh?
The citizens of Carthage woul
January 10, 2007 - 09:37 ET by UnsaneThe citizens of Carthage would dearly love to hear ALL of this I am sure. I'd be more than happy to pay for your airfare to go there and spread your word of peace and happiness. (hat tip to Heinlein)
Violence works every single time it is tried.
And about this "what goes around comes around" crap: Am I to take it you favor a complete dissolution of the United States military (you know, the guys who keep the bad guys from killing you or usurping the freedoms you are so ingrateful for) in order to bring about world peace? Last time I checked, Germany didn't carpet-bomb New York, nor has Japan nuked Honolulu.
One final thing: it's best not to quote the Bible to one who derives no spiritual meaning from it, or any other book.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Johnbo the Religious baiter
January 10, 2007 - 09:47 ET by Six String SpiffLook, johnny Im not religious at ALL, but I think your constant baiting of my fellow NB buds who might be, is trollish. Anyway, you eveidently has disdain for that book, otherwise you wouldn'r reference it negatively so many times. back to work I go... To listen to b*tches piss and moan, blow smoke all over me, complain about everything under the sun.. etcc Ah the joys of living in MA!!
Not all Muslims are Terrorists. However, all the Terrorists have been Muslim.
"Who would Jesus bomb?
January 10, 2007 - 09:15 ET by MightyMouth"Who would Jesus bomb?"
Well, evil of course, read your bible.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
I just cant help it
January 10, 2007 - 09:24 ET by JohnboI can't help it. I hate everything that doesn't agree with me and will use the bible as a tool to bring down conservatives
How can a Leftist, properly i
January 10, 2007 - 09:28 ET by UnsaneHow can a Leftist, properly imbued with moral relativism, make the claim that Bush and Cheney are evil? Aren't you supposed to be above and beyond such anachronistic, divisive concepts such as "good" and "evil"?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Unsane,What happend to John
January 10, 2007 - 14:52 ET by MightyMouthUnsane,
What happend to Johnbo's vile Bush-Cheney slam? I hope a well derserved edit from the admins.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Ah, your definition of &quo
January 10, 2007 - 09:34 ET by MightyMouthAh, your definition of "evil" reveals alot about your "moral" compass, which appears to be pointing in the wrong direction.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
He would bomb those who threaten peace
January 10, 2007 - 09:49 ET by jcrueChrist said : Blessed are the peace-makers, not blessed are the peace-sayers.
Next inane question...?
Next inane question? OK, wh
January 10, 2007 - 11:03 ET by JohnboNext inane question? OK, what faction in America today would you say are the "peace-makers"?
People like Harry S. Truman
January 10, 2007 - 11:09 ET by MightyMouthPeople like Harry S. Truman who were willing to do what EVER is necessary to force peace from an evil insane group of people, bent on the destruction of the United States.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Um, MM, Harry Truman died a l
January 10, 2007 - 11:18 ET by JohnboUm, MM, Harry Truman died a loooong time ago. You seemed to have misunderstood the question. Don't make me have to start calling you names. When I check back, you better have gotten it right.
Ok, GWB is like HST in this
January 10, 2007 - 11:21 ET by MightyMouthOk, GWB is like HST in this regard. Must you always have things spelled out for you?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Sorry I'm so slow. I should
January 10, 2007 - 11:46 ET by JohnboSorry I'm so slow. I should have know immediately when you said Harry Truman that you meant George Bush. Stupid, stupid me.
"Sorry I'm so slow&quo
January 10, 2007 - 11:53 ET by MightyMouth"Sorry I'm so slow" , "Stupid, stupid me."
You really should play with kids your own age there Johnbo, you wont have to apologize so much to the adults. Try DailyKos or DUnderground, they are more your speed.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Peace makers
January 10, 2007 - 12:15 ET by misterbillPeace makers? I don't know. But I am sure you are not one of them.
sir:diaper duty??
January 10, 2007 - 14:54 ET by foolnomorelooks a lil messy around here,,
If you desire peace...
January 10, 2007 - 16:16 ET by UnsaneWhy, the United States military, Johnbo! If you desire peace, prepare for war, as a Roman named Vegetius once said.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Debra - the answer is '42'. ACA
January 10, 2007 - 08:52 ET by acaiguanaDebra - the answer is '42'.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
It's ALWAYS Clinton with you
January 10, 2007 - 09:28 ET by JohnboIt's ALWAYS Clinton with you people. Clinton, Clinton, Clinton. Why are there problems in the world. Well, Clinton, of course. Why is America going down the drain morally. Well, you know the answer to that. What is the answer to Debra's question. Well, it's GOT to be Clinton. Wow, this is easy!!!
All I need to do is substitute a name
January 10, 2007 - 09:31 ET by UnsaneIt's ALWAYS Bush with you and your fellow Leftists. Bush, Bush, Bush. Why are there problems in the world? Why does the entire world hate the United States? Well, you know the answer to that. Well, it's GOT to be Bush. Wow, this is easy!!!
Dreamt of pistol-whipping, beating and shooting conservatives again last night, didn't you?
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Since the GOP has been in con
January 10, 2007 - 15:54 ET by crsheddSince the GOP has been in controll of both the White House and Congress for the past 6 years, it would make sense that they would hold more blame for current conditions. Or do the GOP actions not affect our country until the next presidential election?
Unless you are saying progressives had much more influence than those who were in power.
You miss the clear hypocrisy
January 10, 2007 - 16:21 ET by UnsaneYou miss the clear hypocrisy of one who whines that conservatives blame Clinton for everything under the sun (I happen to think he actually did the right thing by getting NAFTA ratified, so I'll give him credit for that) while he himself blames every single thing in this country on Bush. But then, you miss a lot of points, most of them quite intentionally, as here.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Who the heck brought up Cli
January 10, 2007 - 09:41 ET by JerryWho the heck brought up Clinton??? But now that YOU'VE brought him up, he did send our youth into an oral sex, oral veneral diseased, frenzy... you know... since oral sex isn't sex. He did teach us that lying is good... everybody lies... everybody has affairs... etc. Thanks for reminding us Johnbo!
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
To be fair Johnbo did not bri
January 10, 2007 - 15:56 ET by crsheddTo be fair Johnbo did not bring up Clinton. Someone else did.
crshedd - You are a victim,
January 10, 2007 - 16:25 ET by Unsanecrshedd - You are a victim, as many are, in my estimation, of some weird re-organization of the thread earlier today. The post by Johnbo that began this thread was actually a response to one of mine, if that makes any sense. So, before that happened, you would see that no one in fact brought up Mr. Greatthings - Clinton - before Johnbo did.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Well, how telling johnbo. The answer really is '42'.
January 10, 2007 - 12:32 ET by acaiguanaWell, how telling johnbo. The answer really is '42'.
It is obvious that you don't know that nor why. Hint....
It has nothing to do with Bill Clinton.
Maroon.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
aca -- well it IS only the
January 10, 2007 - 12:35 ET by Jack Baueraca -- well it IS only the answer to life, the universe and everything.
So stands to reason why a manchurianed johnbot has NO frackin' idea.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
Jack, if one ever needed proof the Left has no fun nor humor.
January 10, 2007 - 12:55 ET by acaiguanaJack, if one ever needed proof the Left has no fun or humor.
This thread proves it.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
But unlike the johnbot, we
January 10, 2007 - 13:06 ET by Jack BauerBut unlike the johnbot, we know that his obscurantist thinking for 42, refers to some President's number in the line back to Washington.
#1. Washington: couldn't tell a lie
#42. Clinton: couldn't tell the truth.
Isn't that called full circle. Thanks for all the fish.
Proud member of the all-powerful and vast militarist/industrialist/capitalist/zionist-bagelist complex
What kind of freaking word is
January 10, 2007 - 15:17 ET by JohnboWhat kind of freaking word is "frackin" anyway???
A freaking stupid one, that's what, BRO.
Who are you calling a freakin
January 10, 2007 - 15:14 ET by JohnboWho are you calling a freaking "maroon", maroon?
I think he was talking to Y
January 10, 2007 - 15:20 ET by MightyMouthI think he was talking to YOU. Make sure you select "Expanded" for your comment view settings. That should make it easier to see who is calling you a moron or idiot or whatever at any given time.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Hey, thanks, MM. You're suc
January 10, 2007 - 15:40 ET by JohnboHey, thanks, MM. You're such a helpful guy.
Maybe you could help acaiguana spell "moron" right. He's trying to mimic my name-calling technique but just can't quite deliver the goods.
Don't you just hate it when you go to call people names and you can't spell the name right? That's probably why you don't do name calling, right?
"Maroon" is a leg
January 10, 2007 - 15:44 ET by MightyMouth"Maroon" is a legit Looney Tunes reference. I know it's before your time, but sheesh buddy check out the classics sometime.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Or in Johnbo's case, ultra
January 10, 2007 - 15:51 ET by JerryOr in Johnbo's case, ultra maroon!
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
"Maroon" was in 'Wh
January 10, 2007 - 15:56 ET by kathleenirish"Maroon" was in 'Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" too...was it THAT long ago?
Anyway, you're not only a 'maroon', Johnbimbo, you're a moron, too. Calling you silly names like that is too good for lefty-ignoramuses like yourself.
"He who has a thousand friends has not a friend to spare, and he who has one enemy will meet him everywhere" -Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, 4th Islamic Caliph
Hey, good one, MM. I love h
January 10, 2007 - 15:53 ET by JohnboHey, good one, MM. I love how you guys cover for each other on here. Very creative linking "Maroon" to Looney Tunes.
And, of course, most bloggers on NewsBusters would be familiar with Looney Tunes because of Bush, Cheney, Tony Snow, etc., etc..
Glad to be of service li'l
January 10, 2007 - 16:03 ET by MightyMouthGlad to be of service li'l buddy, now move along I think I hear your mommy calling for afternoon milk and cookies. Don't bother looking both ways when crossing the highway, you'll be juuuussst fine.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Yeah, I think somebody left
January 10, 2007 - 16:12 ET by JerryYeah, I think somebody left a box of cookies on the railroad tracks, and they've got your name on them little Johnny.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Oh boy, cookies. Thanks, Un
January 10, 2007 - 16:27 ET by JohnboOh boy, cookies. Thanks, Unkle Jerry.
Uh, Unkle Jerry, what's a trloy...trolgl...Troglodyte?? That's what Mommy and Daddy call you when you're not around. And, then they laugh a lot. . . Why are they laughing, Unkle Jerry??
LOL! You know I'm always
January 10, 2007 - 16:43 ET by JerryLOL! You know I'm always looking out for you little Johnny.
Let's break the word into parts. Trog-lo-dyte.
Trog is from the latin word detrogue, which means to destory.
Lo, is italian shorthand for Liberalo.
Dyte is Hindu for "one who wets the bed".
So, what your mommy and daddy are calling uncle Jerry is "Destroyer of liberal bed-wetters". And they are laughing because they both know that your daddy quit wetting the bed weeks ago.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Thanks, uncle Jerry.I hope yo
January 10, 2007 - 16:53 ET by JohnboThanks, uncle Jerry.
I hope you can come over sometime and play "pin-the-tail-on-the-cretin" with us. Mommy and daddy always hide the game when you're around because they think you won't play. I don't know why. Why don't you want to pin a tail on a picture of you, uncle Jerry?
Little johnny, you're losin
January 10, 2007 - 17:03 ET by JerryLittle johnny, you're losing your touch. The last one was pretty funny. This one, not so much.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Jerry!ROFLMAO!!!Thanks, we al
January 10, 2007 - 17:04 ET by bigtimerJerry!
ROFLMAO!!!
Thanks, we all needed that!
Especially little johnnycakes.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Little johnnycakes. That's
January 10, 2007 - 17:15 ET by JerryLittle johnnycakes. That's catchy BT. Sorta like Little Debbie's. Little Debbie Snackcakes. Little johhny snackcakes.
In the smorgasbord of intellectual discussion, little johnnycakes is just a snack.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Gosh, Mr. MightyMouth, thanks
January 10, 2007 - 16:17 ET by JohnboGosh, Mr. MightyMouth, thanks for helping me cross the highway.
But, you don't have to walk me across because I know how the pavement hurts your knuckles when they drag on it. And, Mommy taught me it wasn't polite to stare but I can't help it. Do they call you MightyMouth because your mouth hangs open like that all the time and lets all that slobber comes out??
Ah, well, johnbo. The answer is '42'.
January 10, 2007 - 18:03 ET by acaiguanaAh, well, johnbo. "The answer is '42'."
Google it.
I didn't attribute 'Maroon'. AS in "What a Maroon" <Bugs Bunny>
Google it.
Now, having set you on the path to enlightenment, I'm sorry I called you a Maroon. I had no idea you were too stranded out there in no man's land that you wouldn't get it.
My bad.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
Some suggested Looney Tunes
January 10, 2007 - 17:01 ET by UnsaneWhen I think of Looney Tunes, I think of Kim Jong-Il, Ahmadinejad, Bashar Assad, Fidel Castro, and people who love them more than our own government, like Johnbo.
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
Who is the Liar?
January 10, 2007 - 05:24 ET by trebeloc1998: Bill Clinton - Changes U.S. policy in Iraq to regime change.
March 2003: G.W. Bush invades Iraq to enforce the current U.S. policy, and to enforce previous UN resolutions.
December 2003: Saddam Captured.
January 2005: Iraq votes on new government.
May 2006: New government sworn in.
August 2006: Saddam trial starts
October 2006: Saddam found guilty of GENOCIDE
Dec 2006: Saddam Hung--------------MISSION COMPLETE!!!!!!
Does Olbermann ever have a te
January 10, 2007 - 07:05 ET by fosstenDoes Olbermann ever have a terrorist make his "worst person in the world" list, or is it always a conservative or Republican American? That seems quite absurd. Why does Keith not view terrorists as worse than Americans?
Maybe we should call him Al-Obrahman.
Naw, he's a professional propagandist for the Hate America
January 10, 2007 - 07:38 ET by acaiguanaNaw, he's a professional propagandist for the Hate America crowd.
You know, the government opening your mail and listening in on your phone conversation while your wife 'explains' your latest failure to read her mind, ripping up your 'liberties' to have same sex marriage, destroying your ability to kill a child in womb; your hating children and not caring about the poor teachers all these years of Republican rule, being unkind to Muslims, practicing your neo-Nazi latent tendencies by owning a firearm, insensitivity to animals by wearing fur or killing a quail (or shooting a lawyer), insensitivity to the environment by disagreeing the flooding of New York and L.A. is a bad thing, hating polar bears, hating the barrier reef and wanting the rain forest cut down and destroyed, not believing the planet is an organism that has self-awareness and breathes, wanting dirty air and water, not loving the inner-city and its filth, gangs and drugs, not loving the illegal aliens who are really just little undocumented victims of oppression; liking George Bush occasionally and finally,
being intrinsically happy with your life and independent thinking.
That's all.
ACA
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Acaiguana says: "Which city is next?"
INDEPENDENT THINKING!Whhhoa,
January 10, 2007 - 09:01 ET by JPR1INDEPENDENT THINKING!
Whhhoa, can’t have any of that now!
Class, let’s pay careful attention to Mr Olberman as he presents a critical review of an important incident in our nations recent past. Some of you have studied this before but it clearly reveals the incompetent nature of our President so we’ll cover it again. <sarc/>
I think it is very telling (p
January 10, 2007 - 08:29 ET by JimboI think it is very telling (perhaps to everyone other than the MSM themselves and their followers that is) that Obermann would choose to fill his airtime rehashing a four year old point that has already been discussed far more than it should have instead of talking about one of the long list of positive things happening in Iraq.
And what’s more incredible is that Oberman makes an even less convincing argument now than the MSN did when it actually happened.
And to call Snow the “Worst Person in the World”??? Worse than murders at home and abroad? It just underscores how out of touch he and his fellow liberals are.
How are those ratings treating you Keith?
When is someone going to nail
January 10, 2007 - 08:49 ET by josephsamuelsonWhen is someone going to nail that piece of sh_t in the nuts?
More Garbage From Odd Man Out
January 10, 2007 - 08:50 ET by emjem24Hey, it's more garbage from Odd Man Out again. I just love how he editorializes everything that Tony Snow says to fit his own world view. Now, Tony Snow is a liar? Don't make me laugh! Odd Man Out could have saved us all this drama by simply admiting the following: "I'm not really a reporter but a sportscaster with the authority my handlers gave me to spout nonsense to the American public on a daily basis." It never ends with this guy. I guess when Tony Snow tries to stick up for the white house and doesn't collude with the press pool he's a liar. Then again, Odd Man Out will saying smack against anyone who doesn't agree with his world view to suit his own ego and posturing.
The difficult we do immediately; the impossible takes a little longer. Air Force Motto
Olbermann
January 10, 2007 - 09:25 ET by iveseenitallOlbermann---illogical, dishonest, hate-filled, ignorant, uneducated, dangerous. Yep, he's a modern liberal.
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Having followed Tony since
January 10, 2007 - 09:22 ET by JacksonCalhounHaving followed Tony since his Rush-sub days, I have only known him as decent, respectful, and thoughtful. Yes, he's a partisan, but he can deliver a good argument without raising his voice one 1db. The fact that he knows the media, and their games and lies drives the moonbats crazy, especially when he disputes one of their sacred cows.
Olbermann is a perfect example...
January 10, 2007 - 09:58 ET by jcrueof the statement, "Freedom of speech make it easier to spot the idiots".
The only thing he does well is baseball and rant. Which brings to mind two statements from Victor Davis Hanson, "Abstract ethics or soapbox lectures demanding superhuman perfection mean little without deeds" and "Entertainers wrongly assume that their fame, money, and influence arise from broad knowledge rather than natural talent, looks, or mastery of a narrow skill."
Olbermann is just the TV version of the fevered swamps of DU and DailyKOS with nothing but rhetoric to offer. He has no experience in the things about which he seethes and is only offering a product that sells enough to make him the paycheck he takes home. He's a salesman and not a serious thinker.
"fevered swamps of DU&
January 11, 2007 - 08:50 ET by Unspun one"fevered swamps of DU" Swamps of depleted uranium? What do those have to do with anything?Thats all clear over in Iraq!
That was a pretty amazing mis
January 10, 2007 - 10:44 ET by ucThat was a pretty amazing mission that those troops were coming home from helping accomplish. Give 'em hell Tony. The fears of what we may have faced starting Operation Iraqi Freedom with likelyhood that Saddam still had chemicals and wmds around to cost US thousands of lives in first days of mission to take down Saddam were now faced and lived through. Problem with "Mission Accomplished" sign and carrier landing is precedent it was setting that every future President might now have to man or woman up for their own carrier jet landing. It couldn't simply have been that our kick off team was back and that it was now time to hunker down with our offense? I guess it was supposed to be more like ship side surrender by Japenese, historic perspective. Glad we didn't get trapped into never ending chases through mountains of Afganistan with the well known historic home team advantage/terrain knowledge there against us. I hope Baghdad is ready for assitance towards peace with an american troop surge.
What the banner was really about...
January 10, 2007 - 12:05 ET by Gary HallWhat the banner [Mission Accomplished] was really about...
As with most of the MSM's efforts to attack the other side [Conservatives], this story, in my view, has been kept alive from the very beginning over a silly mistake by Pres. Bush - his saying the crew of the ship put the banner up. In fact, the White House folks had it put up.
However it was the crew of the Lincoln who suggested it - in other words it was their will - their view being that they, the thousands of proud men and women returning from their tour of duty in Iraq, had just "completed their mission." See Mission Accomplished. That link, by the way, is to a Common Dreams reprint of a Agence France Presse piece, published on Oct. 30, 2003. Of course the entire left is using it as a source of major embarrassment to the White House.
For What? For God's sake, folks, President Bush did not point his finger at us and lie [in anger]. He got the details wrong about who made the banner, that was suggested by the troops. That's not an embarrassment. Blue Dresses are an embarrassment. Promising a government employee a raise, if she keeps her mouth shut [over the Governor's illicit and unwanted sexual advances] is an embarrassment. Ordering up Operation Desert Fox (1998), an op on the order of "Shock and Awe," and then pushing Iraq to the back burner - without a policy - without a plan - now, that is an embarrassment.
Read it. I also remember the President explaining it a time or two, one on one, with the press.
In my view, there seems to be no debate that the idea of the banner, "Mission Accomplished," was that of the proud crew who had completed their mission. The fact that the president sort of slipped up describing the making of the banner is only worthy of a note in the news one time - it is not of consequence - never was, never should have been.
Then, and only then there is the speech by the President, and the exciting [entry] appearance of the President on the USS Abraham Lincoln. Of course, if Clinton had made such an entry (during Kosovo - that other "illegal war" sold to the public by lying about the size of a genocide) we'd still be seeing the MSM celebrating the event. And of course, with Kosovo, we'll never hear the MSM explore the "Energy Independence" needs behind the war - think Caspian Sea. And, we'll never hear the MSM exploring the bombing of the TV and radio stations, the civilian infrastructure (bridges, water plants, electrical generating plants, civilian trains, markets, cluster bombing, Chinese Embassy, etc.).
Very nicely stated!When ask
January 10, 2007 - 12:34 ET by JerryVery nicely stated!
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Let me second Jerry
January 10, 2007 - 13:44 ET by SanityClauseI want to second Jerry's comment:
Gary Hall, thanks for your very well written post!
I hope you are crossposting similar material on neolib sites. They are the ones who really have to read it.
One mission does not the enti
January 10, 2007 - 12:26 ET by tracheostomyOne mission does not the entire war make.
This is the basis for why the banner gets a pass; no matter how much the libs want to spin it.
-PJ
http://www.draftcondi.us/
A mistake!
January 11, 2007 - 09:57 ET by UnsaneYou are making the mistake that the Left understands war to begin with. :-)
"HAV3 TH3 BRIDG3S OF INSANITY B33N CROSS3D AND FOR3V3R R3TRACT3D???." - Meshuggah, "3ntrapm3nt", from Catch Thirty Thr33 (2005)
I don't know if this is tru
January 10, 2007 - 13:14 ET by JerryI don't know if this is true or not, but I heard that Keith and Rosie O'Donnell got together at the most recent Bash-Bush bash and sparks flew, and The View has plans for a live broadcast of their pending wedding.
Rosie: "Yah know, usually I can't stand men, but Olby-poo is so different. I suspect there's a vagina somewhere 'neath those britches. Keith has agreed to take my name, so that's good, although he may go the hyphenated route with Keith Olby-O'Donnell. Yah know, I've been looking for a b*tch to call my own for like forever.. Mission accomplished baby. Mission f***ing accomplished."
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment
vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any
President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
KeithO is a waste of space on
January 10, 2007 - 14:01 ET by bigtimerKeithO is a waste of space on this planet.
"If we ever forget that we are a Nation Under God....then we will be a Nation Gone Under." Ronald Reagan
Olbermann couldn't carry Tony
January 19, 2007 - 10:02 ET by Chicago RepublicanOlbermann couldn't carry Tony Snow's Jock.