Meghan Daum of the L.A. Times has had an epiphany. The story of adulterous South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford is still in the news, she's decided, because America's men see themselves reflected in him. Yes, Daum apparently feels that all men are adulterers, so they sympathize with him causing the story to keep bumping along.
Daum spies some "gasp--empathy" for the governor in various corners of the Old Media and this, she has decided, must mean that there is a "tiny bit of Mark Sanford" in men across the country. One wonders if Daum spied this same lecherous "sympathy" abounding among Democrats when a certain president was wagging his finger in our faces and saying he "did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica"?
Betcha she didn't. As a matter of fact, I'll bet no such thing crossed her mind as the Clinton's Monica-gate raged on and on.
Check out this baseless rumination.
So what's left to say about the Sanford saga? Call me crazy, but amid all this finger-wagging, am I detecting just a little bit of -- gasp -- empathy? Is there something about Sanford's puppyish comportment, not to mention the fact that, unlike many adulterous politicos, he seems to be truly in love with his mistress (or at least truly convinced that he is) that's making him less a pariah and more a symbol of the male midlife crisis? For all his duplicity and entitlement, are some Americans -- particularly men -- feeling as much pity as outrage? Consider this small sample:
She answers herself thus:
But as we slog through another week of the Jackson postmortem-paloooza and wonder at the fact that we're also still hearing about the South Carolina governor's love for certain tan lines, maybe it's worth asking ourselves why. Is it because we're uncategorically appalled? Or is it because maybe, just maybe, there's a tiny bit of Mark Sanford in, if not all men, quite a few of them?
So, what do you think, guys? Are you feeling sorry for the adulterer because you are secretly just like him? Do you have a stack of Argentine frequent flier miles secretly piled up waiting for redemption at a later date? Is there redemption at a later date?
Is it impossible for men to really feel any outrage? Are they all just using the mask of outrage to cover their sympathetic feelings?
Or is Daum a she-male, man hater that is reaching too far for a column?



















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Of course...
July 2, 2009 - 06:26 ET by ApodicticThe women involved in these affairs have no complicity whatsoever.
You nailed it!
July 2, 2009 - 10:26 ET by mattmYou nailed it!
It doesn't really matter
July 2, 2009 - 06:26 ET by taterIt doesn't really matter what I feel towards the guy. He really needs to ask God, his wife, and his children for forgiveness.
But no I don't feel the need to be like Sanford. Any sane man should see what adultery does to destroy their life.
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Tabloid journalism at its worst.
July 2, 2009 - 07:13 ET by CrashPerhaps that's Meghan's take because of the type of tread on me snake she attracts. I have no sympathy for a man or women who cheats (get caught) while maintaining the notion to their "significant other" that they still love or care for them. If you are no longer committed to a marriage don't cheat, get a divorce! Save your spouse the humiliation ... JERK (Sanford and his ilk).
She says all men are adulterers
July 2, 2009 - 07:01 ET by jefflebowskiExactly what I expect from a woman in California. Sanford is a disgrace and should go away...preferably to Argentina. Meghan Daum should just stay in California...that's torture enough!
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If Sanford really had found
July 2, 2009 - 07:04 ET by FranksamIf Sanford really had found his "soulmate" and told his wife that he had to move to Argentina to fulfill his life, I might have some respect for him. As it stands, even Eliot Spitzer's behavior was more honest.
On the other hand, empathy is an important attribute these days, and a smarmy white guy who has led a rich life might be able to make a better decision than a wise Latina.
Why more Sanford news?
July 2, 2009 - 07:06 ET by BettendorCould it be that just like the onslaught of Michael Jackson news we keep getting hit over the head with, the media just likes to keep reporting on scandal?
Like with Michael, the Sanford coverage has reached the breaking point. Please quit reporting on it unless you heard he's done something drastic like resign.
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Why is it
July 2, 2009 - 07:08 ET by Magic2171That all of the feminist, hate to have general statements without positive documented fact, made against them but have no problem at all making stupid generalizations about any male subject. An affair requires two people (by her picture she would not know) and normally only one is male. Notice there is no problem in the article about the women that knew he was married participation only that every male on the planet is the same kind of dog. We need much more clorine in the california gene pool.
Most of what's driving this story...
July 2, 2009 - 07:10 ET by P. Aaron...is the chicki-fied media.
Can we change that to "lib
July 2, 2009 - 08:52 ET by Radical1979Can we change that to "lib chicki-fied media"? I hate being associated with those women!
By the same reasoning then
July 2, 2009 - 07:22 ET by cajunkingkongBy the same reasoning then since women sympathize with Mary Kay Letourneau then they all must see the child molestors in themselves.
Is is impossible for liberals to really feel any honesty?
I’m curious how do you
July 2, 2009 - 07:36 ET by USA4freedomI’m curious how do you pronounce her last name??
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
I'd say..
July 2, 2009 - 07:41 ET by Warner Todd HustonI'd say it would sound like Meghan "Dumb."
But, then I'm a little stinker.
(Or did you mean Mary Kay Letourneau ? In that case it's Mary Kay Rapist.)
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me too.. Ronald Reagan,
July 2, 2009 - 07:44 ET by USA4freedomme too..
Ronald Reagan, 1962: I did not leave the Democratic party, the party left me.
Insert: your name, 2008, and the Republican party.
La-turn-oh or le-turn-oh
July 2, 2009 - 10:32 ET by spmcintyrethere is no spoon...
Let's see, Daum's brain and her logical mind. ACA
July 2, 2009 - 07:46 ET by acaiguanaI'm trying to figger this out. Tell me if I got it right.
1. A man sneaks around on his wife (and the entire State) to play snuggles with some hottie in Argentina.
2. One man does it so all men are either cheats or potential cheats in their hearts.
3. All women are gold diggers?
ACA
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Women are Monica
July 2, 2009 - 08:06 ET by ThisnThatActually, do women all view themselves as Monica Lewinski?
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Or call girl
July 2, 2009 - 08:08 ET by taterOr call girl #9?
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Feminists are awful
July 2, 2009 - 08:07 ET by moderncommentaries83First, brilliant point. Women are all independent and powerful and equal to men. Until the moment they get involved in an affair (then it's the man's fault), or until someone says something that makes them feel bad (then it's time for the government to legislate so no one can ever offend them again), or until they see some non-existent "glass ceiling" and whine about how women are too weak to get ahead...
Second, my grandfather was married to my grandmother for 44 years before he passed away in 1993. My parents have been married for nearly 30 years. My husband and I have been married for 4. All three men in these relationships are men of God and honor and dignity. All three men have never cheated or had an affair.
My husband and father think Sanford's a scumbag. And if he were alive, I'm sure my grandfather would have some choice words about the governor as well.
But what gets me is these feminists have said men were useless, stupid, mean, and unneccessary for years and now that some (but not all) men are living down to those low standards, it's somehow proof they were right all along. I merely call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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I vote for she-male, man
July 2, 2009 - 08:11 ET by rimskyI vote for she-male, man hater. Yep, that's the ticket.
Sounds like the take-away
July 2, 2009 - 08:22 ET by BruzillaSounds like the take-away from this article is that Ms. Daum is having trouble in selecting a decent guy to be with. Since all her guys cheated on her, then all guys must cheat, and she's using the Sanford case to legitimize her views.
Ms. Daum... there are places besides single bars to meet men.
So all men are cheaters --
July 2, 2009 - 08:28 ET by Mike SargentSo all men are cheaters -- cads, even. I bet there's no way that a guy would take the institution of marriage so seriously that he would remain a virgin until he got married; and plan to give himself no opportunity to stray afterwards, till death he doth part?
Like...me, for example.
No way a guy lives a life like me. As I have. Knowing that my wife, in the hopeful event that I do get married, will have that much more trust in me, knowing that I haven't strayed even when I had made no vow to her.
Nah, that'd never happen.
OK
July 2, 2009 - 08:53 ET by FranksamWhen I was young, as the song said, I thought that making love was just for fun, etc.
I couldn't bring myself to say "No, thank you." forty-some years ago, and I did have some good times when the opportunities came up. I have been married to the same woman for forty years now, however, and have not ever had a girlfriend in Argentina.
Good for you, Mike, but I think that there is a difference between me and Mark Sanford, too. Even though I had sex before I got married, and I'm guessing that applies to a few other NB readers, I have respected my marriage and my wife. That separates most of us from Sanford's behavior.
She's just mad
July 2, 2009 - 08:42 ET by Lord ErondBecause her husband probably dreams about riding some other woman and slapping her titties around.
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and slapping her t*tties around.
July 2, 2009 - 08:49 ET by shawn228"......and slapping her t*tties around. "
I can honestly say that is something I have never thought about ...ouch ;-)
He had my vote
Warner, how did you interpret that?
July 2, 2009 - 08:43 ET by shawn228You said apparently she feels "all men are adulterers" when she clearly said "if not all men, quite a few of them?"
I don't condone what Sanford did, but I feel sorry for him because first of all he is not as much of a hypocrite as Ensigns or Spitzer and second of all, just like the author said, quite a few men stray, such as Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, John McCain and Rudy Guiliani. They have all gone on to have successful political careers.
He had my vote
Come on
July 2, 2009 - 08:53 ET by Warner Todd HustonThat disqualifier is worse than useless as an excuse that she was being "balanced."
"If not all people named Shawn are liberals, then quite a few of them are." What meaning did that have? If I were to write a piece on this shawn premise, what sense would it make? What point could it possibly have? None.
Clearly she meant all men were secret adulterers and only threw the disqualifier in to avoid looking like she was saying what she was thinking and what most of the piece is based on.
If not all blue crayons are sky blue, then quite a few are.
If not all Democrats are blithering idiots, then quite a few are.
If not all TV personalities are dumb as a box of rocks, then quite a few are.
Seriously, all these have no hook upon which to hang a theory, nor a column. If she wasn't trying to lead the reader to feel that all men were secret adulterers, then she had no real point at all when all is said and done and her piece ends up being nothing.
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I would also argue the
July 2, 2009 - 08:57 ET by Radical1979I would also argue the statement that quite a few men are adulterers.
Shawn cites some famous men, but that's like saying because celebrities abuse drugs we all abuse drugs. I don't see a lot of adultery where I am. I know of two people, and that's it. It's not "quite a few", but I guess I hang with good people!
Actually Radical
July 2, 2009 - 09:04 ET by shawn228My point to Warner was quite a few men does not mean all men.
He had my vote
It still sounds like to many
July 2, 2009 - 09:07 ET by Radical1979It still sounds like to many men to me. Just being picky. I get defensive over the ones I love, like the men in my life.
Radical1979
July 2, 2009 - 09:21 ET by shawn228The Ashley Madison website has 1.8 million registered users and easily half of them are men. That is only one site out of many, and some don't use the internet and cheat the old fashioned way by taking off the wedding band and go to a bar.
I would say anything consisting of over a million is more than quite a few
He had my vote
How many people do we have
July 2, 2009 - 09:26 ET by Radical1979How many people do we have in the U.S right now, over 200 million? And how do we know there aren't people from other countries on the site, or registered under more than one name?
I like to see the glass as half full, or like I said, maybe I just hang out with good people.
303,824,640
July 2, 2009 - 09:31 ET by Warner Todd Huston303,824,640, I do believe.
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Lol
July 2, 2009 - 09:35 ET by shawn228....and 22 percent of of the married men out of that 303,824,640 cheat. Hmmm more that quite a few right? ;-)
He had my vote
And so?
July 2, 2009 - 09:52 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou are missing (purposefully) the point.
What does "quite a lot" mean? Explain why "quite a lot" has any logical basis for a discussion of type or motivation?
It's utterly vague and meaningless.
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I'm not Warner
July 2, 2009 - 10:00 ET by shawn228Quite alot means exactly what it means, quite a lot of people, in fact it might imply the majority. But she did not say quite a lot did she Warner? She said quite a few. Last time I checked few and lot are totally different.
He had my vote
No, it is not
July 2, 2009 - 10:06 ET by Warner Todd HustonIn the context she used it, there is no difference between "quite a few" and "quote a lot." They both mean a large number, not a small number.
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Shawn you're determined to
July 2, 2009 - 19:47 ET by Radical1979Shawn you're determined to see men as adulterers. Maybe that falls within the realm of your experience (not personally, the people you know). The fact is statistics are easily flawed based on where they come from, bias in the questions, etc.
So I disagree with you. I think most men are good, and don't choose to cheat.
Women's liberation got it all wrong.
Rad79
July 2, 2009 - 19:57 ET by MrShyI agree, but I also relate to shawn (who I know a bit, btw :p) and it might just be projection. He, like myself, really really really likey the women.
Only difference is, he's married, I'm not. :p
But when I think of the way men must always be thinking, I'm sort of relating this to how I'm thinking. Lots of men ARE extremely horny/hormonally-driven, but many are just average or less, and even the ones who are more vs. less, and married, have sense enough not to act on it.
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Mr. Shy when my husband
July 2, 2009 - 20:03 ET by Radical1979Mr. Shy when my husband doesn't LOOK at other women I'll be crying because he'll be dead because that is the nature of the beast! I just think a most married men, although they look, don't want to cheat. Hey, he'd love to spend our kids college money and buy a Porsche, but it's not the right thing to do, so my husband doesn't do it.
Shawn seems to want to think "quite a few men" cheat. Whatever. I don't, the men in my life may look, but they do the right thing. I feel like I have to stick up for them because they're wonderful guys!
Grandma used to say
July 2, 2009 - 20:16 ET by general companyA woman runs faster with her dress up,, then a man with his pants down.
My wife is far better looking then I, : ]
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
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Grandma's know a lot! LOL
July 2, 2009 - 20:20 ET by Radical1979Grandma's know a lot! LOL
Well Radical
July 2, 2009 - 22:48 ET by shawn228I consider anything more than a million quite a few ;-)
He had my vote
"If not all people named Shawn are liberals, then quite a few of
July 2, 2009 - 09:00 ET by shawn228Thats a weak comparison Warner. There are thousands of people named shawn, there are millions of sky blue crayons and there are well over 6 million democrats that voted for the one, and thousands of tv personalities and unless you have a operation or born a hermaphrodite there are only two genders that consist of men and women.
He had my vote
Um...
July 2, 2009 - 09:07 ET by Warner Todd Huston"Thats a weak comparison Warner."
Um, that's the point. The whole convention is weak. My "weak comparisons" where little different than hers.
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Well Warner
July 2, 2009 - 09:13 ET by shawn228I don't know how accurate it is Warner, but they say 22 percent of married men cheat. Now out of about a very conservative estimate of 15 million married adult men in the United States 22 percent of that would be quite a few would it not?
He had my vote
Well not really
July 2, 2009 - 20:19 ET by general company22 percent of that would be quite a few would it not?
Not when compaired to 78%, but I doubt the 22% number anyway. I know lots of folks, way less then 22% in my neck of the woods.
My Gov. thinks I am dangerous, so be careful
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Adulterers and gender
July 2, 2009 - 08:44 ET by trhugIn my observations( listening to ladies and men talk) , the female is undoubtedly the most promiscuous. I could be mis-informed , but most steamy, sexually explicit media is better authored by the "fairer" sex.
There go the women's
July 2, 2009 - 08:49 ET by Radical1979There go the women's libbers. Painting all men with the same nasty brush. Trying to reduce everyone down to the lowest common denominator...
I resent that she would throw the men in my life: my husband, brother, father, father-in-law, and brother-in-law; into that description. It's not in any of these men to break their marraige vows, any more than they would take a gun and shoot someone. I wish the liberals would stop assuming everyone is morally bankrupt.
SOOOOOOOOOOOO
July 2, 2009 - 09:00 ET by jacktheripperlittle missy can't keep a man = all men are pigs hmmmm
maybe the cause is in HER mirror
I'd say Kate Gosslin is a
July 2, 2009 - 09:04 ET by Radical1979I'd say Kate Gosslin is a good example of that...
Nag a man to death and out the door he goes.
empathy? No. Projecting? Yes
July 2, 2009 - 09:14 ET by needle"[A]m I [Meghan Daum of the L.A. Times] detecting just a little bit of -- gasp -- empathy?"
No, Meghan, I suspect you are projecting [again]. Even more than lying, this is probably the most dominant and predictable character trait of liberals. Adultery does not offend liberals; but it is a club they use for beating conservatives.
- Relying upon the MSM for your information is like relying upon an embezzler to manage your portfolio.
I see what she means...
July 2, 2009 - 09:22 ET by jdripperIf I was married to Meghan Daum I would seek intellectual and sexual redress with others. Who would want to have a conversation with a moron like her?
Jack
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Surprised
July 2, 2009 - 11:05 ET by Secret ConservativeFrankly, I'm surprised that ANYONE in the liberal media is showing a bit of sympathy for Mark Sanford. Isn't the usual libmedia gameplan to vilify a Republican who strays, and empathize with the Dem, making the observation that, "All married men cheat - or at least they want to - because it's a biological imperative." I remember back in the Clinton years the media was very quick to excuse his behavior with the notion that "Everyone does it." But when a Republican gets caught with his pants down, they don't criticize the fact of cheating on the wife, they criticize the HYPOCRISY of pretending to be a conservative Christian while getting a little on the side. Because in Libland the worst sin is hypocrisy.
IMHO, Jenny Sanford should kick him to the curb and make him stay there. THAT would show standing up for family values - as well as not tolerating having a husband humiliate her in front of the entire nation. Bad enough he has an affair, but to tell the media that the girlfriend is his "soulmate" and he will "try" to love his wife again! Don't do Jenny any "favors" Mark. Give her whatever financial settlement she wants, get some psychiatric help and move on. Your Brazilian girlfriend deserves you.
Re Surprised
July 2, 2009 - 11:52 ET by slickwillie2001This sympathy angle, and the stories about the lovey-dovey emails, etc, are all ploys to just keep the story alive and on the front pages. Next will come the girlfriend; she has kept quiet thus far, but the offers must be rolling in and sooner or later they will reach a level that she will accept. Then we will have a few months of her on the morning shows and in the news.
This will go on for months and months.
Rush just mentioned NBs and
July 2, 2009 - 12:59 ET by bigtimerRush just mentioned NBs and this story here...hehee
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
As he was talking about the
July 2, 2009 - 13:02 ET by ElyasAs he was talking about the story, I was thinking, "He's saying the same stuff mentioned in the NBs post"
HI RUSH
Man...
July 2, 2009 - 20:37 ET by Warner Todd HustonI hate it when radio guys use our stuff but don't own up to where they got it.
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Well . . .
July 2, 2009 - 13:08 ET by DoktorFrankenI'm a man (I still got that dingle, dongle, dangle thingy goin' on ''down there'') and I don't sympathize with Sanford one bit. I am still concerned about his sons, though. Guess I'm just weird.
Meghan Daum is. Dumb, I mean.