I am wondering when the euthanasia folks are going to start touting this one? I mean, it sure seemed to me as if the most caring, most civil, most intelligent president evah just said that healthcare could be cheaper if we don't give old folks and the infirm the full measure of care they now get. It appeared that Obama said we should just let them die or suffer because they aren't worth the effort. Imagine if Bush had said something like this? The left wouldn't have hesitated to call him any manner of names. Oddly, though, the Old Media have not had so much as a raised eyebrow over his statements on Wednesday.
Obama said during the ABC Special on Wednesday night that a way to save healthcare costs is to abandon the sort of care that "evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve" the patient's health. He went on to say that he had personal familiarity with such a situation when his grandmother broke her hip after she was diagnosed with terminal cancer.
Obama offered a question on the efficacy of further care for his grandmother saying, "and the question was, does she get hip replacement surgery, even though she was fragile enough they were not sure how long she would last?"
But who is it that will present the "evidence" that will "show" that further care is futile? Are we to believe that Obama expects individual doctors will make that decision in his bold new government controlled healthcare future? If he is trying to make that claim it is a flat out untruth and he knows it.
Does your homebuilder negotiate with your city hall over whether you get a building permit, or does the permit get levied no matter what? Does a cop decide if you really broke the law, or does he simply arrest you and let the courts hash it out? Does your tax preparer negotiate with the IRS or is he supposed to just calculate your tax bill on their terms and have you pay the required amount?
Government does not work by negotiation. Government does not work from the bottom up. It works from the top down. This singular fact means that no doctor will be deciding if you are too old or infirm to get medical care. It will be a medically untrained bureaucrat that sets a national rule that everyone will have to obey. There won't be any room for your grandma to have a different outcome than anyone else's.
So, what will it be then? Who will decide when medical care is just too expensive to bother with? Who will be left to perish because they just aren't worth the lifesaving effort? Well, for sure it won't be any members of Congress or anyone that works for the federal government because they won't be expected to suffer under the nationally socialized plan. It also won't be Obama's buddies in the unions who are about to be similarly exempted from the national plan, at least if Senator Max Baucus has his way.
Ah, but we are told that Obama's ideas on healthcare are "evolving," dontcha know? During the recent campaign for president (that was only 7 months ago, if you'll recall) Obama insisted that he would never tax your healthcare benefits from work. He even ridiculed McCain for proposing such a plan. Lately, however, he's "evolved" toward saying that such a new tax is on the table. What about his stance against fining people and businesses that don't join his UberPlan? He was against that sort of coerciveness before. Now he's "evolved."
Originally, he said it was "healthcare for all," but as of Wednesday night, it seems he's "evolved" to say that only those worth the bother should get healthcare. The rest should be left to died and/or suffer. If he does any more "evolving" we'll all be finding just who is "worth" what as far as he and his Democrats are concerned. Somehow I'd guess that many of you reading this today won't quite be worth as much as certain others!
Let's hope none of us are ever in a position to find out if Obamacare deems our grandmothers worth saving.
And what ever happened to the left's mantra that healthcare is a "right" and that money should never enter into a life or death decision? Now The One is saying it's just too darn expensive to save the old and infirm? Will our friends on the left now disown Obama the "murderer"?
Even worse, why has the media remained mum on the possibility that President Spock, Doctor of life, just said that old folks are too expensive to treat? Hello, CNN, NBC, New York Times... anyone?





















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→ Thank you Warner
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 00:27 ET by Cool ArrowAs you may, or may not have noticedI've made the case several times that our society will eventually turn to euthenasia as a pragmatic solution to the baby boom problem.
I taped the show last night, but haven't watched it.
This question by Dr. Devinsky was most enlightening. It spotlights the Orwellian principle that "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others"
I hate gravy-sucking pigs.
We will Barry you! - Russian Prophecy
Right
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 01:26 ET by Warner Todd HustonYes, I agree with you. This disrespect for life from abortion, to experiment on human embryos, to euthanizing the elderly because they are too much trouble coarsens our society dangerously.
Be sure and visit my home blog PubliusForum.com.
The "mean, cruel" Catholic Church
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 06:01 ET by motherbeltThis is one of the reasons the "mean, cruel" Catholic Church has always opposed abortion. In their encyclicals down the years Popes have recognized that the diminishment of life spreads from just the unborn, to affect us all. Life is to be cherished from conception to natural death.
Keith Olbermann, call your office!!
Last night he called State Rep. Cynthia Davis an inhuman monster because she said summer feeding programs were not the best way to take care of kids (Brad Wilmouth's blog above).
I wonder what he thinks of President Obama now.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Don't be cruel
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 06:23 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsYes, the intelligent, diverse, big tent progressives embrace the forward thinking concept of euthanasia of anyone past the age of 1 second, but please don't execute those poor pitiful criminals or terrorists, they just need reform.
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compassion
Sat, 06/27/2009 - 23:11 ET by m1xramYup, they protect the guilty and murder the innocent. And their compassion lets victims pay for it all. Feel the love.
Good catch CA. The
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 09:04 ET by dscottGood catch CA.
The president said he understood the American people "know they're
living with the devil, but the devil they know instead of the devil
they don't."
Talk about the Faustian Bargain!
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Euthanasia
Sat, 06/27/2009 - 18:47 ET by UnsaneCool, to prove your thesis, take a look at the Netherlands. They have euthanasia. They have health care provided by the Nanny State.
Coincidence? I think not...
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)
→ Unsane
Sat, 06/27/2009 - 18:54 ET by Cool ArrowBack in 1976, my statistics Professor pointed out that whittling away at one end of the life continuum would produce a disrespect for life at the other end as well.
That was back in the days when professors weren't all singing the same song.
Under my plan of a cap & trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket - BHO
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Fri, 06/26/2009 - 00:32 ET by macummingsEmail addresses for Congress. I've cleaned them up as best as I can, though some may bounce. Tell Congress they're done destroying this country, and send these to your family and friends.
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Soylent Green
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 00:37 ET by pickerseniorThis warned about Obama approach to elderly care.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soylent_Green
"If liberals didn't live it, it doesn't exist."
reminded me
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 05:49 ET by m1xramKnew some one would say that. Notify Charlton Heston! Contact ACORN to see where he lives.
For the record, this is the second time he has thrown Grandma under the bus. You just gotta love the BO.
don't be hasty
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 01:36 ET by bknownstAll of us need to be at peace and know the Obamasiah will take care of us and treat all equally. It's just a minor coincedence that only CONSERVATIVE car dealerships are being taken from the people who BOUGHT them and GIVEN to liberal friends of THE ONE. To be honest we should not expect union brothers to have to get inferior healthcare since they are largely responsible for delivering the wonderful supreme leader who watches over us. Soon we will be like Canada where people pick up diseases while in the hospital that help them move on to the next life and people in their early 50's are said to have "died of old age" but they "lived a full life" or at least the fullest socialized medicine could reasonably afford to give them. After all the planet is over populated and to save the world a lot of people must be sacrificed for the good of the worthy few.
"Useless eaters" in other
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 01:42 ET by RR GOP"Useless eaters" in other words. This all sounds vaguely familiar...oh yeah, the Aktion T-4 program in Nazi Germany...what's next? Probably forced abortions of Down Syndrome kids. I'm not kidding either.
People should have a right to DNRs or they can choose what they want if they are competent to make such decisions for themselves. We're not talking about nose jobs here.
They'll pull PEG tubes out of old folks' mouths if "they" don't think they'll be hanging around much longer..."passive euthanasia" they call it...look it up. So there's already groundwork for this.
One of the 34% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 61% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory (yep...approval for Congress now at 39%...do you believe that!?).
For Obama and the MSM it is
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 02:02 ET by snaggletoothieFor Obama and the MSM it is not so much about the money. It's ideological. It is all about decimating that part of the electorate that is most likely to be conservative and not blindly accept their foolishness.
Bush was responsible for a few deaths using an army working in concert with congress. Obama will kill millions with the extra-constitutional aide of bean counters, reporters, community organizers and union dues.
Who should be surprised?
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 02:52 ET by IamTinmanBarack and company have had no problem with supporting the murder of near term infants, euthanesia is just another small step.
Make no mistake, under Obamacare people are going to die unnecessarily or live life in agony from refusal of care and medication.
Being Older
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 04:13 ET by DragonsbreathI feel we could save a lot more by not treating:
Illegals
Unwed mothers and dependents
People on welfare for more than a year
People in congress
People in goverment
People in Unions
People who's father was born in Kenya
People who are not proud of this country
People who belong to hate groups and hate churches
People who make over 100k a year
and so on....
“Less 1984 — More 1776"
Is Ted Kennedy & Robert Byrd
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 04:56 ET by T-Bone MassIs Ted Kennedy & Robert Byrd included?
I knew Obama was a phony but
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 05:10 ET by mostlymoderateI knew Obama was a phony but now I think he is a dangerous menace to the elderly. What a jerk. As for the media that fail to report stuff like this, I am beyond repulsed.
Dr Kovorkobama... die die die already
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 05:24 ET by Jack BauerThat's right you heartless, cold bastard -- kill off mom and dad when the utility of offering them life-saving surgery is no longer a societal priority.
Well he did help grandma move towards the light -- yes, and that was the headlights of the bus he threw her under.
Evidence
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 05:18 ET by NonanonYet he is pushing economic and social policies that evidence shows doesn't increase the health of a nation...
On one hand..................
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 05:54 ET by old croI would like to think that we will reach a point where Duh1's policies effect most of the state run media so adversely that they will put away their prayer rugs. On the other hand they make so much money with their constant drivel that they may take care of their old and infirm relatives on their own dime. On my other hand (yes, I have three) I am reminded of Sarah Jessica Parker (I could not remember her name until I binged "horse face", it was the first hit.) and her complaints about her mom not getting enough things from government during the Bush administration, that my second hand point does not come into play.
National "Healthy" Care ... what I said in January
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 06:04 ET by JaykeBARRKY "THE PRINCE OF ABORTION" is in the White House ...
January 23, 2009 - 08:24 ET by Jayke
...
and with the upcoming National HEALTHY Care only the healthy will get
care. The weak and the sick will be encouraged to PLEASE DIE and save
us all some MONEY. I predict the establishment of LUXURY DEATH CAMPS
where sick people can go and DIE HAPPY.
"evidence shows is not
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 06:07 ET by motherbelt"evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve" the patient's health. - President Obama
Take a look at this
Now, in view of the President's views, how long do you think it will be, before the government decides that this is a futile procedure and refuses to allow it?
PS: ask someone who suffers chronic angina how bad the pain can be.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
I wonder if Obeyme will
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 06:11 ET by ApodicticI wonder if Obeyme will appoint a Czar of Soylent Green?
Replay
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 06:40 ET by nadadhimmiThis is a replay of the old "useless eaters" arguments of Hitler and Goebbels. They of course, like all good progressive socialists, were quite willing to murder the old, infirm and mentally ill. It is always so. The problem is, the kids are to uneducated, and stupid, to recognize the kind of things that were discredited decades ago at the cost of millions of lives. IS THIS PROGRESS? SEEMS TO BE IF YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE RULING OLIGARCHY.
I remember Hearing as a Child
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 07:11 ET by Retired GeekI remember Hearing as a Child that funerals aren't really for those who have died, they are for those left behind. Funerals present an opportunity to show our respect and devotion to those who have impacted our lives in a positive way.
Devotion is a word that is generally attributed to religion, but 'Devotion' also means something more than just 'Duty' or the 'Right' thing one must do.
Devotion to me is a sub-set of love, a way to show appreciation and reward faithfulness.
I became the 'Parent' of a little squirming puppy (9 weeks old) about twelve years ago, she was a Bichon Frise and my wife and I raised her through all of the problems associated with puppies, chewing things she shouldn't, turning over wastebaskets - she especially liked tearing paper into little pieces.
Baby Girl was a part of our family 10 years, she wasn't 'Like Family', she was family.
She was a special friend and saw her herself as our defender, always ready to defend but more suited to wagging her tail and giving 'Sugar'.
I was her life, her playmate and someone she could run to for protection when storms scared her,
At ten years of age she became very ill and I took her to the veternarian, the diagnosis was grim - she had an incurable fatal disease. I asked the Doctor if there was anything I could do?
She gave me instructions for a special diet for 'Baby Girl', that was laborious and tedious to prepare and we faithfully prepared it fresh every day.
A few months went by and Baby Girl began to know that something was really wrong with her and she became fightened and I would take her to bed with me and cuddle her until she fell asleep.
I began to carry her to her food and water and outside for her to do her business.
Then the pain began and I knew the time had come for me to show her my last act of Devotion.
We sat in the Vets office and looked out the window together at some birds in the trees, one of her favorite pasttimes - I was holding her and explaining that we must do this and that she had been a good and faithful dog and I loved her.
I held her in my arms and soothed her while the vet gave her the final act of mercy I could show Baby Girl, it was painless and she went to sleep for the last time in my arms.
I realize now, that all of the work and care that I gave Baby Girl, was more for me than her - it is a necessary fact of life that to continue living ourselves - we must know that we have done all that we could do in those final days.
Health Care rationing will affect those who are left behind more than those denied care - it will make us as cold and calculating as those who make such plans.
And that my friend is how
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 07:47 ET by dscottAnd that my friend is how humanity is stripped from a people, when expedience overrules the established order of our connection to others.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
A very touching story. As
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:07 ET by motherbeltA very touching story. As someone who never wanted a dog, was browbeaten into it by a husband and daughter, and who, against my own desire, had that little creature eat his way into my heart, I can understand.
Obamacare would have us do the same for our sicke and elderly family members.
The Anchoress had, some time ago, the most beautiful essay on life, and love, at the end of life that I have ever seen, written after the Asian tsunami, and while her own brother was dying a lingering death.
My favorite part:
But this is too sad, it is. Life is so very sad and so very beautiful. Some will scoff: "Beauty? What beauty? What kind of sick mind can find beauty in this pietà? It would be more beautiful to help your brother to end his suffering. Real love has nothing in common with pain. What is to be gained from all of this beside some medieval Catholic satisfaction in suffering?"
I can only answer that question with a question: Do you think that giving my lionhearted brother a "compassionate" needle would truly lessen our suffering, or his? By cutting short the process, do we step off the Via Dolorosa and avoid it all, or do we merely thwart a plan for our own lives? Should we steal from our brother the opportunity for him to reach out a hand and have it immediately grasped, to have everything about his existence affirmed, over and over?
I agree with her: the "death with dignity" people are fooling themselves, rationalizing that their way is the humane way.
Maybe it is with animals; not with people.
I didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Thus we see the true terms,
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:25 ET by dscottThus we see the true terms, the fine print, of the Faustian Bargain Obama is offering.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Mother thank you for sharing that
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:33 ET by Retired GeekWhen my brilliant Mother developed Alzheimers in her nineties.
It became a horrible death to watch - I would spend our time together telling her about all of the 'Good Things' she had accomplished in her life.
I would tell her about the wonderful times we had together and the experiences that we shared, that were both funny and enjoyable.
I would usually have to tell her who I was (she usually thought I was her Doctor), this was a 'Painful Time for me, but I would not have shortened one moment of her life.
The last story I told her, was about the time her and my wife and I were fishing from a pier at the Outer Banks of North Carolina.
It was a cold and blustery day and only the three of us braved it, my Mom had just caught two fish at once and her pole was bent almost double, she was struggling with reeling them in and I walked up to her and asked "Got a bite?"
My Mother gave me a look, that is only understood by a Mother and an imaginitive son, the same look she gave me when I was about five years old and insisted she come and look at an 'Imaginitive Bear', I had just killed in the yard - it was priceless.
paraphrasing Obama
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 07:37 ET by spmcintyre..people may be getting to much health care, maybe they should consider taking a pain medication instead of getting that surgery...
wtf is crap? if this is the case, why the hell did we spend all that money saving the murdering drunk Kennedy??
When asked if Obama would settle for the plan he is prescribing for the rest of us, would he go outside that system to seek treatment for his own family. He basically said he would do whatever he could to take care of his own family, but essentially said in another statement, that the rest of us may not be equipped to handle such decisions pertaining to the health and welfare of our loved ones.
Who the hell does this guy think he is?
....we cant base health care procedures on somebodies spirit? Judging spirit is subjective, and cant be used to determine whether somebody should get a lifesaving procedure???? (paraphrased again)
but he gets whatever health care plan he wants, Congress and many unions would be exempt from the restrictions imposed by Obamacare,
you will not be forced to give up a plan you like, or a doctor you like,
well, not all doctors will accept government sponsered health care at this time, will they force all private doctors to accept Obamacare patients?
Will they force all employers that currently offer a healthcare plan to continue offering that plan for no change in price or will they start taxing the recipients of the employer health care packages for implyed income from that benefit? or will they decrease the tax deductions for these benefit plans....either scenario will cause millions to lose the health care they already have, and force them into the government plans
sorry if this all sounds like random ramblings, but I am summarizing all I heard yesterday about this from various sources on tv and radio
there is no spoon...
delete
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:14 ET by motherbeltI didn't think it was physically possible, but this both sucks and blows. -Bart Simpson
Does this mean.....
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 07:39 ET by Gecks...that people wth AIDS won't get thier medications since it will only prolong the inevitable? That medication isn't cheap. It can run anywhere from 15 to 25 thousand dollars a MONTH depending on what medications are working for you.
This man (Barry) makes me sick!! Would he deny his wife coverage it she were to develop a cancer that has a low survival rate? I doubt it! Yet us lowloy minions are supposed to just accept this, because he is the "One" and he "knows" what is best for this country. Gag me! No wait, I didn't mean gag me literally mr Barry!
"The Government is not responsible for raising your children" - My Mom
some of you just
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 07:42 ET by rondon't get it. a great and mighty god was elected president and he knows what is best. he knows who deserves help and who doesn't. why try to improve someone's health when there is no proof he or she will get better. besides, a old sickly person can't work and pay taxes so they are really of no use. we can sleep well at night knowing that the great one will take care of us. as a former gov. of colorado said: old people need to die and get out of the way.
Warner Todd Huston thank you!
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 07:42 ET by Retired GeekThis column has renewed my resolve to fight against the lack of Humanity of this administration and its agenda.
The erosion of qualities necessary for a Humane and Just society, has only begun.
Keep up the Good Work and never tire in doing your job with your God given talents.
And thanks
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:27 ET by Warner Todd HustonAnd thanks to you and all of you that read my stuff and support my efforts. You all contribute to making it worth the effort to get up in the morning!
Be sure and visit my home blog PubliusForum.com.
Or staying up all night?
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:37 ET by BlondeWe know the hours you keep, Warner.
And I second the notion....keep the Bamster's filthy words front and center, I'm furious he's skating on this sham performance with the latest "crisis" of Jacko's passing.
I hope he fails, too.
LOL
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:40 ET by Warner Todd HustonOK, OK, it makes GOING to bed in the morning worth doing.... or sleeping worth doing... er sumpthin.
Be sure and visit my home blog PubliusForum.com.
It's the "er sumpthin"
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:49 ET by Blondethat counts.
Keep up the good work.
I hope he fails, too.
Warner I can assure you
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:43 ET by Retired GeekYour blog is 'Book Marked' under my favorites.
Excellent
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:51 ET by Warner Todd HustonI appreciate that.
Be sure and visit my home blog PubliusForum.com.
Hint, hint, don't forget
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:59 ET by dscottHint, hint, don't forget the other contributors... :-)
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Yeah
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 09:04 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou know, one of these days I have to learn the art of "promotion."
We have a lot of different contributors at PubliusForum.com, like Mr. Dan Scott, Thomas Brewton, Selwyn Duke, Anita MonCrief, Ann "Babe" Huggett, former Congressman John Armor, Nancy Armstrong, Marie Jon, Frederick Meekins, and a bunch of others.
Updated every day. Come on over after you are done with your NewsBustering, won't you?
Be sure and visit my home blog PubliusForum.com.
HMMMMMMMMMMM
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 07:45 ET by rick007You know whats ironic? It's the old folks who off the sweat of their backs that produces this great country where a 1/2 bried can be president!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One who can't or wont even produce evidence that he's a natral born U.S. Citizen .
Obama is ignorant
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:10 ET by sevenHe needs to be reminded old people paid for medicaid by reason of their payroll withholding. It is not his money. This is an argument against prepaid care. You stand a risk of the money being diverted. He acts like from his being a Pres, all Medicaid is a personal gift from him. I understand he got a lot of old people votes. Not so much ever again.
jessieH obama has
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:08 ET by jessieHjessieH obama has lied since day one. He is going to destroy this country. I can't wait till his mouth destroys his own world. If he opens it, it's a lie.
Obama Care
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:14 ET by BlondeI can't believe this....Obama's going to skate again (and he's now on to bigger and better things like ta da immigration reform, or how to gain thirty million new democrat voters) because of the death of Michael Jackson.
Once again, Obama got up in front of the nation and made an absolute idiot out of himself, with his "plan". But the press is silent (and now canonizing Jackson) instead of presenting the dangers and pitfalls of this "plan". And the sheeple are too entranced by hopey changer to understand what is happening.
It's no "plan", it's fantasy. And as Rush said yesterday...."who the hell is HE to allow me to do anything....screw him!", or words to that effect.
We began discussing "health care reform" on the forums about three months ago, and the issues are myriad and complicated. A bunch of policy wonk pols are never going to begin to understand the issues, much less be able to "solve" them. My apologies for shilling my own forum topic, but there are some absolutely dynamite contributions and links from some of our seriously high-wattage posters, well worth the time for anyone who wants to be able to discuss this topic with authority.
I hope he fails, too.
There is one important
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:15 ET by dscottThere is one important point I believe is being overlooked by liberals. How is it fair that a person who has continually contributed to society throughout their lifetime should be cut off from medical care because they now have become a cost center? This would be like the military abandoning the principle of "no one is left behind." So are we to leave behind an entire class of people because their utility is no longer evident? What reward is there then for all the years of contributing if you are just to be cut off when it was your turn to receive the benefit as others received them? This would be like terminating the employment of a person who worked 19 years and 11 months to deny them the twenty year pension just because some stingy manager had no intention of keeping the company promises for loyalty and service. It's unseemly and dishonorable.
Consider this, we all pay into Medicare via a flat tax our entire working life. We PREPAID for our medical care for twenty to thirty years and now Obama is proposing we should be denied treatment if his bureaucrats deem us too close to the end? I would consider that "cost saving" measure as an UNconstitutional "taking" as it deprives me of the money I paid into the system to take care of me in my old age. That money paid in by the way was not optional, I was forced by law to put it in and therefore, I have a (unhindered) right to receive the benefit of the program it purportedly paid for medical care after retirement.
Furthermore, it is Unconsitutional to discriminate on the basis of AGE. Denying anyone access to medical care, when they prepaid for it on any basis of age or in this case supposed remaining life expectancy is blatantly Unconstitutional (14th Amendment) and subsequent Laws.
We all know the real reason why liberals are wanting to cut off medical care to the old, they, the Congress embezzled the money for phony so called investments called vote buying schemes and now when the obligations exceed the receipts they are scrambling to meet those obligations by denying the very people who paid the receipts. The Medicare Trust Fund just like the Social Security Trust Fund has worthless IOUs and the pols are running scared that they can't find another patsy to pin this on, so as the irresponsible people they are, they blame the victims of their fraud for living too long or having the audacity of using the benefit. It's immoral. I say fire the worthless Congress, take their money and assets to make the system whole.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Consider this, we all pay
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 12:39 ET by Dan The Man 2Consider this, we all pay into Medicare via a flat tax our entire working life.
Not always true. I am in an approved pension plan and have been for over 27 years and in taht time have not paid into SSI or Medicare. There are some who are exempt for one reason or another from paying this tax. However as of now all retirees from the city pension plan do have medicare at age 65, but this may change at any moment.
elderly health care
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:26 ET by charlietexasthis is the ONE most terrifying statement Obama admitted to yesterday and it scared the hell out of me. I am 58 and am becoming convinced that under the new program, if I go into the hospital for anything when I'm over 65 I will not come out alive. This is planned genocide. Why are the dems so mad at the unborn and the elderly? Why do they want to kill us?
I recommend the movie, "The
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:34 ET by dscottI recommend the movie, "The Last Child" a classic that covers the question regarding both the unborn and old. Edward Asner was the population control agent.
When your utility as a pawn for the elite is at an end, then like all pawns you become expendable. Funny thing about pawns, they are the only chess piece that can renew themselves into another more powerful piece, their utility is not always as obvious as their limitation would indicate.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
MSM Helen Keller Syndrome
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 12:34 ET by Pilgrim1949...with ALL very sincere respect and admiration for the REAL Helen Keller and for Annie Sullivan's courageous work to "free" her from her inner prison. (...which would probably not fit the caregiver paradigm of a "recognized therapeutic treatment protocol predicted to produce a positive outcome"... Hence, Obamacare would've left Helen still deaf, dumb, and blind, but properly dependent upon the largesse [or, small-esse!] of the compassionate and all-knowing gubmint...)
Speaking of the deafness (and associated blindness) of the MSM which leads to their inability to report anything that exists outside their insular internal world ("dumbness" in this case is not a verbal condition, rather it's more a description of the MSM's rapidly atrophying mental acuity inhibiting their ability to observe, enquire, and objectively report), I humbly offer the prognosis that it will be a temporary condition, likely to resolve itself sometime between 4 and 8 years down the road, once the clothes-less Emperor relinquishes his throne (dear God let there ONLY be two terms, max!!!).
Until then, let's pray our nation will not become an example of "the operation was success, but unfortunately the patient died. Here's your bill..."
Our Fourth Estate is now a Fifth Column.
Health care for the elderly
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 08:34 ET by grumpyoldbI know this is going to come as a shock Mr. President, but listen carefully. YOU ARE NOT GOD!! Despite what the media says, YOU ARE NOT GOD!! Quit acting like it. Decisions involving who gets taken care of, and who doesn't are not yours to make. As for your Grandmother..... All I can say is that she must have been so proud to see the child that she raised turn into such an asshole..
Logan's Run
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 09:28 ET by nolotrippenIt seems Barry watched Logan's Run one too many times when he was a kid and came away with the wrong conclusion.
Social Security Savings Too
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 10:46 ET by slickwillie2001This is euthanasia under another name, and I have to wonder why the AARP is not on the warpath over socialized health care. They have by far the most to lose, like their lives. The AARP played a huge role in elections previous to 2008, where they seemed to go quiet. This demonstrates imho that they are just another arm of the democratic party, like Big Union, the environmentalists, and the feministas.
Re savings by reducing health care costs for older folks, I am pretty sure that the Bamster administration is also looking at savings to Social Security if people die sooner. Private pensions and private pension plan medical care plans will also show significant savings.
Still, the unaddressed topic, why Congress, federal employees, and Big Union fatcats are going to be exempted from socialized healthcare. Such blatant favoritism was thought to be illegal in our country.
Elder care
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 14:19 ET by anneftxThe vast majority of monies spent on health care are for the newly born and nearly dying. While I do not agree that someone needing a hip replacement should be denied same, I do think we all to often shoot for quantity rather than quality of life.
In re newborns, well, just because you can keep them viable, all too often what we're doing is consigning them and their parents to decades of expensive misery. As for the elderly, the suicide rate starts to ramp up around age 75. Why? A friend, aged 79, makes an interesting observation... "I'm bored and I've had a long and fulfilling life. Enough is enough and I'll be outta here within a year. Promise." At her age she has enough prescription drugs to deck a rogue elephant. I'll miss her, but I'll also respect her decision. There are worse things than being dead. Been there, done that, ain't bad ('fatal' heart attack 10 yrs ago).
We're about to see a mind-boggling rise in costs associated with cancer as the Baby Boomers hit their 70s. The largest risk factor for cancer is age. We wear out. Cells get weary and go on strike. While I don't quibble with folks who 'fight a brave battle' against cancer, my inclination is to avoid the misery ridden treatment and die before I throw up and fall down for a year. Seen that. No interest in going there.
Denying people care (especially if they don't want it in old age) isn't entirely a bad idea. And 'primus nil nocere' (first, do no harm) has become an outdated idea. Used to be that docs delivering a sickly baby would simply snuff the kid. That does, on balance, seem kind to me. As for the elderly, I watched my older sister (with whom I can barely remain civil) drag out our mother's miserable life. Mom once told me that she dearly wanted to die. My sister was incredibly selfish to make her go on.
I'm not big on tatoos, but am seriously considering having 'DNR' tatooed on my forehead. The expense and misery that would accrue to my husband would be cruel.
anneftx
DNR is YOUR choice
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 14:35 ET by BlondeDenying people care (especially if they don't want it in old age) isn't entirely a bad idea.
That's just sick. Who is it, exactly, that you think should be in charge of denying care, eh? If they don't want the care, they're free not to have it, or perhaps they should appoint someone competent to make those decisions for them, who would accede to their wishes.
I'm sorry you had a bad time of it with your family, but that doesn't give you the right to pawn off your bad judgement on anyone else.
I hope he fails, too.
Who did you vote for last
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 14:40 ET by Jack BauerWho did you vote for last November?
And I have to say, that with a friend (sic) like you, I'm not surprised that lady is thinking of killing herself. She probably wants to beat you to it. Killing her, that is.
You're either
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 20:44 ET by sam12663a heartless bastard, or this is a joke. Sad either way.
President Obama is nothing more than a lying empty suit; a Hollywood
style special effects smoke and mirrors show that has shown itself to
be a total fraud.
WAKE UP AMERICA! SAVE OUR CONSTITUTION!
I read ur profile and agree
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 21:32 ET by Dan The Man 2Eugenics was born of these same ideas.
It cheapens life and for that reason is a poor idea.
My mom died of inoperable brain cancer at 65. The VA could have told her to go home but instead they did radiation and chemo on her. It did not cure her but gave her a few more months than she would had. I cherish those few months as she had spent the previous 12 years as a homeless person by choice. We were able to bond and catch up on those lost years
She was also able to make ammends to her brothers and sisters she had not seen in many years. She had the time to close the loose ends in her life and make peace with herself and the world.
My dad is 86 and has prostrate cancer and bone cancer for the last 6 years. He is in nursing home and has been in and out of the hospital a few times. The last time because an infection went septic and it was touch and go for a while.
My brother fell while he was working as sound engineer at the beach boys concert in san diego about 19 years ago and his prognosis was poor. He lived after 20 per ent of his brain was removed. And he was 3 months in the hospital and lives in an extended stay group home closely surpervised.
Ok my folks had care available and it was given to them. Undr obama care and your care senario they most likely would not have gotten any to save or extend thier lives.
So considering the luck of my family I fear obamacare passing
Hey Dan... My heart is
Fri, 06/26/2009 - 21:39 ET by bigtimerHey Dan...
My heart is with you....I know exactly where you are coming from more than you know, and I fear too....greatly.
Doubling down on stupid is not a particularly good idea. ~Andrew Breitbart
Do I detect a business
Sat, 06/27/2009 - 08:09 ET by dscottDo I detect a business opportunity here? We could sell ObamaCare Gap Insurance (like Medigap insurance) to cover medical care the bureaucrats ban.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.
Blood's cheap, it's everywhere. Right?
Sat, 06/27/2009 - 18:53 ET by UnsaneWhat a sick human being you are, if you can be called one, for holding life in such CHEAP regard.
"CONSUMED DEMOCRACY RETURNS A SOCIALIST REGIME" - Slayer, "Fictional Reality", from Divine Intervention (1994)