Jessica Valenti, founder of the vaguely pornographic sounding Feministing.com, has decided that there is no such thing as virginity in America's young girls and the Today Show is entirely pleased with itself to give her a national TV venue from which to say so. Never mind how silly it all sounds.
On April 23 Valenti and Today pushed the idea that sexually active girls should not be thought of as a problem, that an expectation of virginity is harmful, and that religion is a baneful influence on young women today. Valenti says that if young men can have their sexual exploits given a wink and a nod, then so should the sexual activity of young girls.
Naturally, being a good left-wing, feminist, Valenti draws all the wrong conclusions and advocates all the worst solutions to address the real problems in American society. Just as naturally, NBC gives a legitimate stage for her absurd proclamations and ill-thought-out prescriptions.
Glaringly, Valenti doesn't seem to worry much about sexually transmitted disease and how woefully prevalent it is today in American girls. One might think the STD rates alone would be a good enough reason to argue that sexually promiscuous girls is a bad idea, but not so for the Today Show and Jessica Valenti.
Why is it that feminists have to be so ridiculous with their nouveau pronouncements, anyway? Is it that they think the only way to become the next "it girl" in feminist studies at our kitschified universities is to come up with the most silly analogy they can imagine that can be pawned off as "scholarship" and then to sell it with a straight face like it's gospel? Is it that schools are now more interested in the new way to look at things than the right way? Is it that innovation is now prized above truth?
What ever the case, I am struck by the fact that even as she keeps saying it, Valenti doesn't seem to waste any time actually proving her case. Valenti says several times in her op ed for Today that there is "no such thing as virginity" but never really explains what she could possibly mean by the obviously silly phrase.
This is not to say, however, that Valenti doesn't make any good points in her piece. Unfortunately, for any female that would have the misfortune to take her teachings to heart she draws all the wrong conclusions from some of the harmful social propensities she observes. She too easily shrugs off the over sexualization of our nation's children and wrongly denies the danger it presents -- one of which is the growing rates of STDs in girls that I mentioned above. And forget about gender roles. She doesn't imagine there is such a thing.
Like the myopic feminist she is, Valenti mis-analyxes the different social treatment of boys and girls. For instance, Valenti rightfully sees the double standard of expecting girls to stay virginal while winking at the sexual aggressiveness of boys. But instead of suggesting that boys should have that aggressiveness tempered by respect for family, trustworthiness and responsibility as a mate, and stability, she swings wildly to the wrong conclusion by saying that as a society we should afford girls the same sexual aggressiveness as we do boys. She opts for anarchy instead of common sense.
This smacks of the typical feminist idea that boys and girls are exactly the same and that the differences between them are merely societal constructs. Of course, it never occurs to this woman that if we were to have a society where girls are just as sexually aggressive as boys, we'd have no families at all, no stability for children and a nation of frustrated, unhappy citizens. Naturally, Valenti refuses to accept the salient fact that women want a stable mate with whom they can stay for the rest of their lives so that their children will be well cared for, not a constant revolving bedroom door through which parades a never ending series of thoughtless and little thought about men.
There are biological differences between men and women that Valenti and her radical feminist friends purposefully misconstrue. Men's aggressiveness is aimed at propagation of the species and it is society that is meant to temper that animal passion. Women are meant to nurture and raise children by nature, so their propensity is to look for stable, caring men that will commit to them and them alone. This, in turn, will create a stable home environment for the raising of children (not to mention keep STD rates lower). But Valenti's ideas would destroy that delicate balance and, in the long run, materially harm the American family.
So, will NBC offer the opposing view on its Today Show? Let us not hold our breath in expectation.
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But Valenti's ideas would
April 29, 2009 - 06:25 ET by motherbeltBut Valenti's ideas would destroy that delicate balance and, in the long run, materially harm the American family.
That doesn't matter, Warner; the women would be happy! (so she says) and that's what counts!
The selfishness of this society is almost overwhelming. For years I have been disgusted at women who have babies with men they are not married to, kick the fathers of their children out, move from man to man in their own search for "happiness," dragging their kids along behind them like so much wheeled luggage, and expecting the kids to "adjust" to all the new men in their lives.
This is the crap that feminists like Valenti feed to women. Telling them that their own happiness comes first, and damn the kids! In their unending assertion that they have a "right" to be happy, they think that "right" entitles them to make others miserable in their quest.
The same with men. They leave families to start new families with new women. Then they complain that they can no longer afford to care for their children from their previous marriage, because they have a "new" family to take care of.
What about the kids' right to be happy? Their right to a stable home?
What the hell is wrong with these people?
<sound of duct tape ripping off roll>
I have to quit ranting before I cease making any sense at all.
They might say "Wow, that sucks!" But at least they'll say "Wow!" -Duff Goldman, the Ace of Cakes
motherbetlt, "What's
April 29, 2009 - 06:34 ET by msh1973motherbetlt,
"What's wrong with these people?" For one thing they are totally lacking of a soul, they are Godless people who only think with their flesh! I work with abused and neglected children, most of their mother's are not married to their faither's. Some women have multiple children who don't share the same father. It just blows the mind of a rational thinking person. This crap is destroying lives of innocent children. I could go on.....
The Age of Personal Responsibility is Gone
April 29, 2009 - 07:38 ET by allanfThe age of personal responsibility is gone Just do whatever feels good. Father Obama is there to clean up your mess later.
Yep... next logical step
April 29, 2009 - 06:33 ET by AJBNow that we've endorsed gay sex, I've been saying all along ANY sex is now promoted. We see here young girls are now free to take at leisure. I guess the logic can extend to 'if she's not a virgin, then its not rape'. Next, it will be the little boy next door (why, he's not a virgin either, now, is he?) and then the sheep.
Is she serious?
April 29, 2009 - 07:18 ET by ConservativeMissourianWhat is Valenti thinking? And what is Today thinking? The show that often promotes families and children betterment is turning its tide completely. Valenti is sending the wrong message. She is sending the wrong message to any impressionable minds that hear what she is preaching. Like metioned above, what about the rising STD rate? What about kids born into unstable homes because of what is being advocated? Saying that girls are never virgins is not going to break down any barrier between boys and girls or men and women. It may, however, give boys an idea that there is nothing wrong with pressuring girls because they are no different than the boys.
Feminists don't care about women
April 29, 2009 - 07:49 ET by moderncommentaries83What is so "liberating" and mature about a woman who is encouraged to sleep around with several men, possibly finding herself pregnant or having contracted an STD?
Since the 1960s, feminists have been railing against a supposed double-standard in religious teaching, that it apparently gives men a "wink and a nod" and makes women be pure little virgins all the time. Not true. Although, I'll risk a fatwa and say more specifically that it's true of Islam and not true of orthodox Christianity, which holds men and women to the same standard: sex is to be saved for marriage. Sex outside of marriage is a sin, regardless of whether you're a man or woman.
How many stories could we find about women, or their children, being abused and killed by "live-in boyfriends", rather than husbands? Lots.
Time was feminism was about not treating women like objects or sex toys...modern-day feminism not only embraces the objectification of women, but celebrates it as freedom.
Sickening.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
I believe "women's
April 29, 2009 - 09:00 ET by Radical1979I believe "women's liberation" has hurt women immeasurably. We cannot stay home and raise our children without having to justify our decision. If we work outside the home we end up working outside the home, while still having the responsibilities of taking care of the home and children.
Most importantly, "liberation" had denied women protection under the law in cases of divorce. With no-fault divorce, men can abandon their wife and children with few consequences. The standard of living of a divorced man increases, while a woman's standard of living decreases by 72%.
Count me out of liberation.
The Devil's Bargain
April 29, 2009 - 08:20 ET by V the KThe Bargain the Left has made is "We will let you do whatever you want in the bedroom without judging you, and in return, you surrender all of your freedom outside the bedroom to the state." To many, many people, this is an appealing bargain.
It works for them because...
April 29, 2009 - 10:26 ET by JohnMcGrew...there is no class of citizen more dependant upon the government than the single mother.
Warner
April 29, 2009 - 08:23 ET by shawn228I agree that is good to teach our children good morals and hope for the best.
However, if you are talking about grown adults, I believe the double standard is silly. Why is a woman that enjoys having sex with different men a slut? and a man that enjoys having sex with different women a stud?
He had my vote
~He isn't a stud
April 29, 2009 - 08:31 ET by choselife3xHe's a user. The "double standard" you refer to is set by men, obviously.And I'm not talking about honorable ones.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
She's right...
April 29, 2009 - 08:41 ET by aakaakaakShe's right, but just in the wrong way. Yes, there is a bad double standard on sex when it comes to men and women. But her conclusion of "let them screw" is the wrong one. She should be promoting viginity equality. I.E. we need to shift the paradigm so that we desire virginity from males as much as females.
Oh, and the term I use is "man-whore".
http://www.americanw...
~I thought of that term
April 29, 2009 - 08:45 ET by choselife3xBut "man-whore" is kind of like "reverse racism", it's really the same thing no matter who is doing it.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Children should be taught the values of abstinence
April 29, 2009 - 08:46 ET by shawn228.....however adults should be free to do as they choose. If adults decide to have sex with many different partners or either gender, they should do so by being responsible and using condoms.
I know I don't judge people that want to enjoy the ways of the flesh before marriage, just how I do not judge someone that stays pure until marriage.
He had my vote
~?
April 29, 2009 - 08:55 ET by choselife3xjust how I do not judge someone that stays pure until marriage.
What is there to judge?
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Some ultra liberals.....
April 29, 2009 - 09:04 ET by shawn228judge people that disagree with them, they want sex with whomever they want and whatever they want, they judge good Christian men and women as prudes and Bible Thumpers.
I believe it is wrong to feel this way and it is the ultra left that is the most intolerent of all.
He had my vote
~Amazing, isn't it?
April 29, 2009 - 09:10 ET by choselife3xThere are those who would "judge" someone for abstaining from sex till marriage. As if there were something wrong with that. Only a liberal would claim moral superiority through promiscuity. If that doesn't tell you that there is something seriously wrong with liberalism, nothing will. (and I wasn't using "you" in a personal sense, shawn)
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Agreed chose
April 29, 2009 - 09:14 ET by shawn228Ultra libs are the most awful people and I would say even more dangerous than the far right.
That is why I like moderates from both parties, that can clearly see both the good and bad and not just follow party lines.
He had my vote
I know I don't judge people
April 29, 2009 - 08:56 ET by Radical1979I know I don't judge people that want to enjoy the ways of the flesh before marriage, just how I do not judge someone that stays pure until marriage.
There's something called "self control". It's what I use when my children really make me angry and I want to scream at them. I also use it when I want a latte but I know I've had enough calories for today. If we all used self control to control our desires we could take care of our needs, be healthier, and not need to rely on government to rescue us.
There's something called "self control"
April 29, 2009 - 09:09 ET by shawn228"There's something called "self control"
Your right there is, but even if you decided to have 3 latte's and 3 double cheeseburgers, it does not give me right to judge you on how many calories you took in for the day.
Its your choice and you are only harming yourself, why should I care what you eat drink or who and how many people you sleep with?
He had my vote
~One more
April 29, 2009 - 09:39 ET by choselife3xSleeping around is an extremely harmful behavior. Leads to lots of drama and trauma. Is the momentary satisfaction of the sexual urge worth the often horrific results? (disease, abortion, murder, (crime of passion, anyone?) divorce, broken hearts, broken homes) Here is an amusing story which illustrates this principle of value vs. cost.
The simple truth is that if everyone waited till they were married and then stayed married it would eliminate a lot of problems. I hesitate to post this because I can just hear you talking about people being trapped in loveless marriages, abuse, etc. and just thinking about refuting all the excuses people use for irresponsible behavior makes me tired. Marriage (and life) is what you make it. Everyone makes their own decisions, and if they are based on what "feels good" then a lot of other people are going to get hurt along the way.
That high-pitched scream you hear is the troll under my heel.
Marriage (and life) is what you make it. Everyone makes their ow
April 29, 2009 - 20:30 ET by shawn228"Marriage (and life) is what you make it. Everyone makes their own decisions "
Agreed, same with fornication, if you have unprotected sex or allow your emotions to get the better of you, it can lead to depression, murder and crimes of passion "cheating anyone?"
I just know for myself chose. I was never a stud, but I have had more than a few partners before I was married, all I know is if I did not have other encounters before I got hitched, I would always wonder what I missed out on.
You mentioned that you did not even kiss another man before you were married, I respect that, but you and I are both married with children and overall happy. We had different approaches, but with the same result right?
He had my vote
**shawn228
April 29, 2009 - 09:55 ET by pelicanmarshIts your choice and you are only harming yourself, why should I care
what you eat drink or who and how many people you sleep with?
Sexual promiscuity is not strictly an act that harms only the individual.
AIDS has infected non-homosexuals and/or IV drug-users. It can be passed through blood from an infected person to a non-infected person.
Hence, I do believe that an individual's promiscuity or sexual conquests are not harmless. I am not stating that there should be some kind of "Big Brother Sex Police", but if there were more of a push towards abstinence, maybe just maybe things might change.
Sexual promiscuity is not strictly an act that harms only the in
April 29, 2009 - 20:34 ET by shawn228"Sexual promiscuity is not strictly an act that harms only the individual."
If you said individuals instead of individual, I would totally disagree with you.
If someone had a STD they can give it to another person and in order to give it to another person, the other person must be willing to engage in a sexual relationship.
If you gave someone a STD by forcing yourself on that person, It would be considered rape and against the law.
He had my vote
Promiscuity spreads disease,
April 29, 2009 - 16:28 ET by Radical1979Promiscuity spreads disease, no doubt about it. The costs of this and being overweight do affect everyone. Their healthcare costs are spread thoughout society. I don't want to pay for the healthcare of an individual who knowingly harmed him or herself.
Smoking....
April 29, 2009 - 23:04 ET by shawn228.....causes lung cancer and Ice Cream and cake create diabetes, I don't want to pay for their healthcare either, but the United States is a free country and I accept other peoples vices, because I have my own.
edit
I live in Cali and even though I am a lib, I voted yes on Prop 8 because it would affect me directly. It can change healthcare rules regarding dependents and it might change the definition of marriage in our schools.
However, I am totally against sodomy laws, because it does not affect me.
He had my vote
Absurd
April 30, 2009 - 03:43 ET by Warner Todd HustonIce cream and cake does not "create" diabetes.
Abuse of said foods might do so FOR SOME PEOPLE.
For others it has no effect whatsoever.
Let's not get hyperbolic!
Be sure and visit my home blog PubliusForum.com.
Lol Warner
April 30, 2009 - 07:58 ET by shawn228Alright, maybe the cake and ice cream was hyberbolic, but everything else is pretty accurate ;-)
He had my vote
Teenagers....
April 29, 2009 - 09:26 ET by OuttaMyWayThis sounds like the general teenager argument.
If the parent never "experimented" with something, then how can they judge if they did not do drugs, drive fast, sleep around, whatever.
If the parent did those things, then how can they tell the child it is wrong, since they themself has done it, it is hypocritcal.
I would call this the Occum Jr.'s Razor.
Neil
Well
April 29, 2009 - 09:32 ET by shawn228most parents are married so they don't sleep around in front of their kids
If it a single parent, they should not bring home their partners all the time and be responsible for what they let their children see.
For single folk, they should be free to live their lives as they please.
He had my vote
Oh my
April 29, 2009 - 10:47 ET by BlondePeople have been sleeping together (such a nice euphamism) outside of the formalized rituals of marriage for thousands upon thousands of years. It's the social mores that swing the pendulum.
As to your initial question, Shawn....I don't think it's as complicated as has been posted here. It's merely biology. Men seek to reproduce with as many women as possible, continuing their line. Women seek monogomy in order to have stability to successfully raise their offspring. Society then tries to codify the reproductive relationship(s) to suit its needs.
I hope he fails, too.
Hi Blonde
April 29, 2009 - 20:42 ET by shawn228"Men seek to reproduce with as many women as possible, continuing their
line. Women seek monogomy in order to have stability to successfully
raise their offspring"
One is quite enought ;-) To be honest I did not even want kids. I also know many women that are not monagomous and do not want to have any offspring.
He had my vote
The spread of various types
April 29, 2009 - 08:51 ET by Radical1979The spread of various types of diseases should prove that sexual promiscuity among men or women is dangerous and unnatural. If you believe in Darwinism it will lead to the thinning out of those individuals. This past year there was an article in Reader's Digest about a man who had esophogeal cancer. Formerly seen in GI's who smoked heavily, in him it was traced to oral sex with a multitude of partners. Apparantly it's like the virus that causes cervical cancer. Why isn't the media covering these stories? There is a definate link between promiscuous behavior and death.
That is what I teach my children, and it's very scientific.
FYI
April 29, 2009 - 09:46 ET by rjwest21Someone should forward this to Bill O'Reilly. This is right up his alley (NBC showing its true colors) and he can put the kabosh on this trashy book.
Wow, lefty women really are easy, huh?
There's no such thing as 'virginity'.
April 29, 2009 - 09:48 ET by TailgunnerThere are also no such things as:
'teen pregnancies'
'sexually transmitted diseases'
'lying'
'supply and demand'
'lawfully armed self-defense'
'illegal immigration'
'leftwing bias'
'Islamic extremism'
'terrorism'
'enemies'
or 'gravity'.
See how easy it is to be a liberal?
Anyone can stick their head up their ass and ignore reality...popping out just long enough to demonize any who would remind them it exists whether they will or not.
NOLO PUGNARE ME OCCIDERE
Complete Feminist Nonsense to defend her past
April 29, 2009 - 10:32 ET by JohnMcGrewWhat a bunch of nonsense. Is she really trying to suggest that a “girls gone wild” self-image and lifestyle is healthy for the image, self-esteem, and just plain physical health of women? Please. This book appears to be by just another liberal feminist trying to justify her past by denigrating those who aspire to higher ideals than she does. It’s more about her self-esteem than that of other women. If she can take down the image of women who at least want to appear to be more than sexual slabs of meat, then perhaps she can then feel better about herself, and get paid for doing it.
No Such Thing As Virginity?
April 29, 2009 - 11:03 ET by someloudthunderOh really now? Is that why almost every culture on Earth has a word that relates to what we identify as virginity and often hold it on some high ground? Oh yeah made up word. Fail some more Valenti.
Well what are those jihadis
April 29, 2009 - 11:09 ET by wiwfWell what are those jihadis fighting for then?
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
well...
April 29, 2009 - 11:36 ET by katainkentI am all for a girl being able to look at themselves and be happy with who they are physically even if they don't meet societies visual idea of the perfect girl du jour. Its caused a lot of problems with girls having trouble with eating disorders and a myriad of other disconnects with their body image.
That said, I think HOW you treat your body is just as important. There are a jillion things women do everyday from a simple hair brushing and a wash cloth to the face to a half hour with the curling iron and a complicated skin regimen ...and of course daily excercise and eating right - all to be satisfied they are taking care of themselves. It differs for each person.
I think that your sexual self should be tied to how you percieve the treatment of your body as much as how you eat right and excercise. Just like cramming down a donut and some coffee for breakfast shows a hurried apathy toward your body/mind's well being so does casual sex.
Removing the concept of virginity just takes away the 'A grade' from those who have not taken the apathetic approach to personal sexual care. People who have taken the effort to make hard choices and stick to a goal shouldn't have that personal kudo taken away because someone else feels some how less of a person for having made a different choice.
People who run everyday are amazing people but that's not my thing. My 60 year old mother hikes three times a week. I am in reasonable shape - on my feet 5 hrs a day at work - but I am far from athletically sound. I'm kinda lazy when I get home from work and that's my choice. I do feel dissapointed in myself once in awhile but I am not going to go tearing down someone else's life because I want to feel better.
I've have two teenage girls and we're not religious folk but I've taught my daughters to respect their bodies (food, diet, excercise -and eventually - sexual activity) and make good informed choices and make certain whomever they choose in life should do the same.
I love to help the helpless but I'm not gonna help the clueless ~Dennis Miller
TOO MUCH FEMINISTING
April 29, 2009 - 22:40 ET by Pharmerduring Ms Valenti's formative years might have caused this brain damage.
There's no such thing as virginity???? Could that be one more scary thing from this grrls early childhood development?? Do you think she enjoyed any latency at all?
NBC is in the toilet for a reason.
Our inoculating needles are hot for this culture. Pass the petri plates
Explanation
April 30, 2009 - 07:44 ET by BlueCat57"There is no such thing as "virginity." Here is how you explain this statement.
She is talking about the social definition of the word not the physical definition.
In the past is was socially correct to "stigmatize" certain things: fornication, homosexuality, infidelity.
Today it is politically incorrect to stigmatize anything even teen sex, adult/child sex, beastiality, etc.
So she is correct in saying that "there is not such thing as virginity" in the social sense that virginity is no longer a virtue. (Note: liberals have no virtures, or at least no positive, socially improving virtues.)
Note also that the story only got a 2.5 rating at Today. I didn't bother reading any of the comments.