ABC News is excited about porn. At least excited by the "fact" that conservative and religious states have the highest levels of porn usage in the country. This, ABC says, is according to a study by Benjamin Edelman at Harvard Business School. Yes, it's another one of those dime-a-dozen studies.
ABC trumpets the bare "facts" in its February 28 piece titled, "Porn in the USA: Conservatives Are Biggest Consumers." In its first few paragraphs the report claims that, "Those states that do consume the most porn tend to be more conservative and religious" than states in the more liberal areas of the country. But there is a problem with ABC's heavy-handed claim. Even the Harvard researcher doesn't put too much emphasis on the "conservative states" aspect because his data doesn't show a very wide gulf between states, conservative or not.
In fact, professor Edelman takes pains to say, "When it comes to adult entertainment, it seems people are more the same than different." This tends to relay that the rates from state to state really aren't that notable. Edelman also says later in the piece that, "The differences here are not so stark," where it concerns the data he compiled.
The per thousand citizens numbers don't seem that varied from state to state, really. For instance, according to Edelman's stats the state with the lowest online purchases of porn was West Virginia at a rate of 0.50 per thousand residents. Yet the highest, Utah, was only at 1.69 per thousand. That is not such a big difference, is it? At least, Edelmen didn't seem to think it was too notable and it's his study!
In essence, ABC is making far more of these supposed differences than even the author of the study makes. Don't you wonder why that is?
There is one other small problem with Edelman's efforts (see pdf file of study HERE). His very first reference in the paper is built on a source long known to be completely false. On the second page of the report on his study published in the Journal of Economic Perspectives (Vol 23, #1, Winter 2009), Edelman relies on the claims of porn industry trade publication AVN Media Network that says the online porn industry made $2.8 billion dollars in 2006. AVN also claims that the entire porn industry pulled in nearly $13 billion in 2006.
However, it has long been known that the numbers presented by AVN are in no way verifiable. Forbes Magazine took AVN's claims to task back in 2001 (after one of AVN's earlier reports of porn industry takings) and found the numbers impossible to verify. In 2001 Forbes reckoned that the industry could not have made more than $4 billion, a number far less than the $10 billion AVN was then claiming. A 2007Boing, Boing article also discussed the unverifiable AVN numbers.
Anyway, the point here is, if prof Edelman relied on AVN's fake claims, what else did he get wrong in his piece? What other methods and statistics were informed by shady sources?
Still, regardless of what Edelman did or didn't do, and regardless of whether his study is accurate, he wasn't making a big deal out of the conservative vs. liberal porn consumption. ABC, however, unaccountably tried to make one of the central points of the story.
Imagine that!
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If
February 28, 2009 - 10:22 ET by jacktheripperABC says it's true then hey who are we to argue
GOD SAVE THE REPUBLIC
the Democrats won't
So what?
February 28, 2009 - 10:42 ET by GrymSo what if a bunch of conservatives like porn? I don't see the point.. I didn't see the ABC piece..
The MSM is trying the classic "let's you and him fight".
February 28, 2009 - 11:00 ET by Free StinkerThe MSM is trying the classic "let's you and him fight".
By bringing this stuff up, they are hoping to provoke a fight between the Social Conservatives and the Libertarian wing on the G.O.P.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
"...they are hoping to
February 28, 2009 - 13:55 ET by R D Helm"...they are hoping to provoke a fight between the Social Conservatives and the Libertarian wing on the G.O.P."
Free, that is exactly what they are trying to do.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Libs love g** porn
February 28, 2009 - 10:47 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsI think they left a word out of the headline - heterosexual.
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So there are huge numbers in viewers
February 28, 2009 - 10:48 ET by NorthCoasterRight, 1/2000 on line porn viewers in WV and 3/2000 in UT. How does this even count as a story? Especially if the original numbers for the study come from a suspect source?
Oh, wait, it's just like the Global Warming issue. You do whatever necessary to make political points that deride conservatives and their policies. I get it now.
So, this study means what? There are more computers per person in Utah than West Virginia? How does one control for all of the variables?
His very first reference in
February 28, 2009 - 10:55 ET by Free StinkerHis very first reference in the paper is built on a source long known to be completely false.
I used to think he was exagerating for effect, but Sean Hannity was right. 2008 will be known as the year the MSM died.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
Sample Size to small and not specific
February 28, 2009 - 11:08 ET by exLibThere are plenty of assumptions to be made from this study.
One that makes the most sense is that the larger porn surfing is from those left of center who don't have the usual liberal state acceptance of their immorality, so they hide it.
The other is that this is the typical way the left does studies: Start with a conclusion (Conservatives are hypocrites, uptight, repressed, insert stereotype here, etc.) and then find data in a study, however tenuous, to "prove" your point. Then broadcast it over the MSM until people believe it.
It's a completely
February 28, 2009 - 11:12 ET by MidAmericaIt's a completely meaningless statistic. Every state has liberal voters and every state has conservative voters. The smaller states are going to show a bigger spike with a smaller variation than say a California or a New York.
Why don't we track porn PRODUCTION?
February 28, 2009 - 12:11 ET by KC MulvilleI'll bet that California and New York, our two most "liberal" states, produce exponentially more porn than any "conservative" states.
Does this guy get paid my
February 28, 2009 - 11:19 ET by ricklailDoes this guy get paid my Morris Dees and the SPLC? Making stuff up or using questionable data is right up their alley
Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same. RWR
Unless ABC can cite and
February 28, 2009 - 11:28 ET by winston smithUnless ABC can cite an accruate poll or study certifying that a majority of porn consumers have actually identified themselves as politically conservative in a "conservative state", then I deem the study to be completely bogus left-wing propaganda. I think ABC's greater intention was to serve up enough mud for lefties like Bill Maher, Joyless Behar, Colbert, Olbermann or Jenine Garofolo to fling at conservatives for the foreseeable future. Or ---- could this "study" be media provided cover for a high-profile Democrat (other than Bubba) that has a little "porn problem" which could soon made public?
Sure sounds like their mo
February 28, 2009 - 11:32 ET by general companycould this "study" be media provided cover for a high-profile
Democrat (other than Bubba) that has a little "porn
problem" which could soon made public?
Nothing suprises me anymore.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
HMMMM
February 28, 2009 - 11:31 ET by rick007But the head pervert was a Dem.
Is there are reason why anyone should be defensive here?
February 28, 2009 - 11:43 ET by shawn228I love it!!
My biggest problem with the Republican party was the prudish attitudes.
More porn for everybody yah!!!
He had my vote
Maybe conservatives are just
February 28, 2009 - 11:49 ET by snaggletoothieMaybe conservatives are just interested in stimulating all sectors of the economy without being nonproductively judgmental like ABC.
I love this line.
February 28, 2009 - 11:50 ET by mizflame98"Some of the people who are most outraged turn out to be consumers of the very things they claimed to be outraged by," Edelman says.
Where does he get that? It is my understanding that conservatives don't want porn shown to our kids, I don't think we care if adults see it. BTW, what is the ratio of porn consumption in red states v.s. blue states? I don't recall seeing that comparison.
"Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." - Francois Guisot
Democrats see, Democrats do!
February 28, 2009 - 11:55 ET by pocomocoRepublicans may be the biggest porn consumers,
but it’s the Democrats who actually practice it. Just ask JFK, Bill Clinton, and Barney
Frank.
but it’s the Democrats who actually practice it. Just ask JFK, B
February 28, 2009 - 11:56 ET by shawn228"but it’s the Democrats who actually practice it. Just ask JFK, Bill Clinton, and Barney Frank".
practice what?
He had my vote
Lib porn
February 28, 2009 - 11:54 ET by nadadhimmiBut liberals are far and away the biggest consumers of GAY porn. Not that there's anything WRONG with that. That Bawney Fwank is hot!!
you have no backing for
February 28, 2009 - 12:04 ET by NCguyyou have no backing for this. In fact most homosexual scanadals, like Ted Haggard, mr. MN bathroom tapper and the like are of conservative persuasion.
→ NCguy
February 28, 2009 - 12:13 ET by Cool ArrowWhat about Barney Frank? Is he a conservative too?
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
You mean the guy who is
February 28, 2009 - 12:23 ET by NCguyYou mean the guy who is STILL one of the most respected and listened to voices in congress? Who didn't get shamed and run out of town?
Sure, he did have a gay prostitute scandal. But Barney Frank is gay. He didn't cross over and have sneaky sex with a woman. Also, barney Frank doesn't grandstand against it in his political life. There in lies a key difference.
→ Yeah that Barney
February 28, 2009 - 12:41 ET by Cool ArrowNo difference.
Barney didn't let the voters know he was gay before running for office.
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
And why should he. It
February 28, 2009 - 12:48 ET by NCguyAnd why should he. It shouldn't matter. And again, nor did he rail against homosexuality. I can't find him coming out against prostitution either.
This is true. And as far as
February 28, 2009 - 14:58 ET by winston smithThis is true. And as far as we know, he never "railed against" running an illegal gay prostitution ring from his DC apartment either. Or performing gay sex acts on another man in front of President George H. W. Bush's locker in the House gymnasium.
No, it's only a 'scandal'
February 28, 2009 - 12:14 ET by MidAmericaNo, it's only a 'scandal' when it involves a Republican. Liberals are accepted as deviants.
Barney Frank's deal WAS
February 28, 2009 - 12:36 ET by NCguyBarney Frank's deal WAS labeled a scandal. Bringing a crime of sex solicitation to light is not the issue. It's the fact that conservative seem to get caught with activities they rail against making thier crime of passion grossly hypocritical.
~Caught with activities they rail against
February 28, 2009 - 12:43 ET by choselife3xLike Obama and his lobbyists?
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
~'Most homosexual scandals are of conservative persuasion'
February 28, 2009 - 12:15 ET by choselife3xPardon me, 'scanadals'.
Could that be because liberals don't consider homosexuality scandalous? Or perhaps because the media protects the scandalous behavior of Democrats?
Barney Frank can have gay prostitutes in his basement, but that's not 'scandalous'. Right.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
That's right prudey
February 28, 2009 - 12:42 ET by NCguyThat's right prudey mcprude. Homosexuality is not scandalous. It's a "from-the-woom" prefrence.
I would wager a bet that even a mother of 3, life long ultra conservative has dined at the Y at least once in your respressed life. The problem is, you've convinced yourself by your religious brainwashing that it's a sin.
~Dined at the Y?
February 28, 2009 - 12:46 ET by choselife3xDo they have cafeteria's now? I don't have much time for the gym anymore.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
→ Another good one guy
February 28, 2009 - 12:51 ET by Cool ArrowGuy is trying to find a nice way of saying he likes to smoke the occasional pole. (not that there's anything wrong with it)
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
ok, dude. see this is what a
February 28, 2009 - 12:58 ET by NCguyok, dude. see this is what a response looks like when you've never dined at the Y. If you're fishing for a cyber sex partner, there are many fine sites that can meet your needs.
→ Vague convolution
February 28, 2009 - 13:03 ET by Cool ArrowYou're the one who assumes chose is a lesbian.
All I did was make a homosexual observation about you based on the same nonexistant evidence. (not that there's anything wrong with your being a homosexual)
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
~Wow
February 28, 2009 - 13:12 ET by choselife3xYou guys are so far over my head with the references and acronyms I didn't even know NCtroll was implying I'm a lesbian.
Those are some amazing powers of deduction he's got there. Genius.
This has gotten gross enough that I'm going to leave him to you guys to stomp. Have fun!
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
honey, for once we are on
February 28, 2009 - 13:58 ET by NCguyhoney, for once we are on the same side and you don't even know it.
where do I start with this
February 28, 2009 - 13:22 ET by NCguy*
NCguy
February 28, 2009 - 13:32 ET by cocodrieYou just proved that it IS physically possible to put your head up your own butt.
Be careful not to bump into your brains while you're in there.
Jesus Loves You
wow NC
February 28, 2009 - 13:38 ET by botgi am certain Matt will love to delete this and your account as soon as i PM him
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Wow Bruce
February 28, 2009 - 13:49 ET by shawn228I believe what NC said was disgusting and a ban might even be considered, but I notice that this is not the only time your wanting a ban of someone. I remember you created a thread when Leon came back as gunslinger.
Do you have a part time job as a bank teller?
He had my vote
shawn
February 28, 2009 - 13:53 ET by botgi have no control over whether people get banned but when i see stuff here that my friend Matt would not want on his site, i let my friend know. Again it is up to Matt. Let me ask this do you think that the continual hijacking of threads is good for the site as a whole?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
Bruce
February 28, 2009 - 13:58 ET by shawn228I hate the hijacking of threads, but as disgusting as NC is, he does not give 50 links in every post that he puts on here, he is not chasing other posters around threads and making it personal.
Being crude and disgusting, and sexual harressment would be grounds for a ban I agree, but he did not hijack anything.
He had my vote
well then Shawn
February 28, 2009 - 14:05 ET by botgperhaps you can PM Matt about PT, if that's your issue?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
→ Hijacking
February 28, 2009 - 14:08 ET by Cool ArrowYou don't think calling a fellow poster a "MILF" is hijacking?
You really don't think flaming is hijacking?
Looks to me like the topic switched from broad assessment of Conservatives to personal attacks pretty quickly.
I'd say NCguy hijacked the thread with a personal sexually demeaning attack on one specific poster
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
→ Shawn
February 28, 2009 - 14:01 ET by Cool ArrowAnd why did Leon get banned originally?
Being banned as "Gunslinger" was the right thing to do as he had already committed acts as "Leon" that violated his agreement with NB.
By the same logic you would be saying Illegal aliens should be given another chance in America as long as they change their names.
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
Cool
February 28, 2009 - 14:05 ET by shawn228and I'm not saying Leon should not have been banned either, I am just pointing out that it is up to the mods and not us who should be banned, cozy relationship with them or not.
PT is a perfect example of that.
He had my vote
→ It's not Shawn
February 28, 2009 - 14:10 ET by Cool ArrowThe Mods still make the decisions. I don't see a problem with reporting him for sneaking back in.
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
HOLY CRAP!!!! I was just
February 28, 2009 - 12:54 ET by NCguyHOLY CRAP!!!! I was just spit balling the idea. I even put it in code. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS!!!!!!!!!!!
C'mon baby let's see a pic. Now I'm getting all hot thinking about conservative MILF porn. Someone call Heff. I bet he'll make you an offer. Hell if octo-mom can get paid, there's no telling how much you could make.
Stop it NC guy
February 28, 2009 - 12:59 ET by shawn228I like double entendres as much as the next person, but you are being very crude to chose here and owe her an apology.
If you don't stop talking about her Y, you can stick it up your O.
He had my vote
umm.... What's an "o"?
February 28, 2009 - 13:17 ET by NCguyumm.... What's an "o"?
( )o( ) He
February 28, 2009 - 13:19 ET by shawn228( )o( )
He had my vote
→ Go elsewhere
February 28, 2009 - 13:00 ET by Cool ArrowDo you have to troll for women here? Is your credit card maxed out?
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
~"Now I'm getting all hot"
February 28, 2009 - 13:03 ET by choselife3xI strongly suspect you have contracted some form of STD that causes a fever. I suggest you see a doctor immediately.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
clean up on aisle 5 please
February 28, 2009 - 13:10 ET by katainkent→ I agree
February 28, 2009 - 13:13 ET by Cool ArrowSoliciting photos for purposes of personal sexual gratification is well beyond the scope of this site.
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
well if the same decency
February 28, 2009 - 14:08 ET by NCguywell if the same decency standard was enforced all around, there would be two people left on this site. Most all of you have said or done something offensive or outside the scope of this website. The only difference is, you justify it by aming it at people you disagree with. But that's ok by you all.
kata
February 28, 2009 - 13:50 ET by botgi pm'd Matt
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
What's this? A
February 28, 2009 - 14:03 ET by NCguyWhat's this? A conservative calling out to big brother? I thought big brother wasn't the answer to a conservatives problems.
Just like congress. You are losing because you have no worther ideas of your own to stand on.
NCguy, Don't be
February 28, 2009 - 14:11 ET by hydrodynDMNCguy,
Don't be stupid.
If someone here feels that you are violating the TOS of this website, they would contact the guy in charge of deciding these matters.
By your argument, a conservative is being un-conservative for calling the police after witnessing a crime.
exactly hydro
February 28, 2009 - 14:13 ET by botgi don't threaten to call the cops i do it.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
NCguy
February 28, 2009 - 14:11 ET by botgsee my answer to Shawn, i notified my friend of something he would not want on his site. Further if he is my brother perhaps you should chill out a bit?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
NCguy,
February 28, 2009 - 14:33 ET by R D HelmWhat you fail to realize is, many of us have been involved in this site since not long after it started, and spend a great deal of our time here. Unlike the Kozzies, DUmmies and Hufftards out there, we actually happen to care how this site is perceived by the outside world.
We don't have a lot of patience with those who come in here and defecate all over the place in an effort to diminish this site.
We have no problem with people who disagree with us siging up here, just ask Shawn, Jer, and Jason, to name three. However, your posts here so far have indicated to me that you are less interested in having an open and honest discussion and are more interested in hurling constant invectives against just about everyone you encounter here.
To put it bluntly, you appear to lack the intellectual abilities required to engage in any kind of meaningful discussion without constantly resorting to insults and, in this case, base crudeness.
Most everyone here is of well above average intelligence, and aren't going to put up with that sort on nonsense for very long.
I suggest that you clean up your act, or go hang out with the non-productive societal leeches over at DU.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Dave, dave, dave. 1. It's
February 28, 2009 - 14:43 ET by NCguyDave, dave, dave.
1. It's not possible you care how you are precieved by the outside world. i mean seriously, you care what the gays think?
2. You don't have patience with anyone who doesn't walk in lock step with you. Just ask Shawn, etc.
3. You don't have a problem with people who disagree, you lash out and belittle ina demeaning way.
4. let's not touch the intelligence thing. I'd be happy to debate you a$$ into the ground any day.
5. You guys are so smart, you get suckered into any flame war.
~Flame war
February 28, 2009 - 14:49 ET by choselife3xSorry NCtroll, you've been busily rubbing two sticks together without so much as a spark.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
I'll leave that to you
February 28, 2009 - 17:13 ET by NCguyI'll leave that to you babe
Chose is prudey mcprude?
February 28, 2009 - 13:48 ET by R D HelmROFLMAO!
Wow, you don't know her very well, do ya?
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
~Dave
February 28, 2009 - 13:56 ET by choselife3xShhhhhhhhhhh! Ya tryin ta blow my cover here, buddy?!
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
As always, the point is
February 28, 2009 - 12:09 ET by NCguyAs always, the point is lost on you people. It's meaningless if the divide is not signifgant. The point is, the bible belt is not the holy santuary it presents its self to be. Just the fact that they consume as much porn as those dens of sin in San Fransico and NYC, is the point. i.e hypocrites.
Now, to split hairs, the study did show that 8 of the 10 top porn loving states are infact McCain supporting red states. The study also does show higher usage..regarless of how much more, the data stands.
Whats the big deal NC guy?
February 28, 2009 - 12:17 ET by shawn228So conservatives like porn. So what? Its nothing to be embarrased about, not all conservatives are prudish. Libertarians and Republicans make strange bedfellows, but the relationship has stood the test of time.
He had my vote
~Libertarians and Republicans make strange bedfellows'
February 28, 2009 - 12:22 ET by choselife3xIs that a porn flick?
;-)
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
Chose thats just a foreplay DVD
February 28, 2009 - 12:34 ET by shawn228The real action is the Obama stimulus bill everyone gets screwed.
He had my vote
→ Curious Shawn
February 28, 2009 - 12:25 ET by Cool ArrowPorn addicted husbands and mousy wives make strange bedfellows also.
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
lol cool arrow
February 28, 2009 - 12:35 ET by shawn228There is a difference between being mousy and being cool about it and not making a big deal out of nothing.
Perhaps the porn addicted husband will feel different when in close to 20 years when he is 56 and needs Viagra just for playing solitaire ;-)
He had my vote
→ Chris Brown & Rhianna
February 28, 2009 - 12:39 ET by Cool ArrowShe's going back to him because she loves him. How sweet.
Guess I should have mentioned the women who put up with their porn addicted husbands for any number of reasons.
The list goes on.
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
There is difference
February 28, 2009 - 12:40 ET by shawn228between beating your girlfriend and beating yourself:-)
He had my vote
→ Interesting Shawn
February 28, 2009 - 12:45 ET by Cool ArrowI hadn't thought about the woman who would rather her husband take matters into his own hands rather than be bothered with a zipless, shall we say, interlude.
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
beats me cool arrow ;-)
February 28, 2009 - 12:47 ET by shawn228beats me cool arrow ;-) believe me the interlude is always good.
He had my vote
I agree 100%. It's nothing
February 28, 2009 - 12:29 ET by NCguyI agree 100%. It's nothing to be embarrased about. The problem is, conservatives covet sex and porn like no other. They also shame anyone who has a more relistic relationship with sexual desires.
Like I said NC guy
February 28, 2009 - 12:36 ET by shawn228Not all conservatives are social conservatives and some of them like porn as much as anyone else.
He had my vote
Good to know. Thanks for
February 28, 2009 - 12:43 ET by NCguyGood to know. Thanks for coming out.
→ Good one guy
February 28, 2009 - 12:46 ET by Cool ArrowBut you won't find Shawn at any Republican rallies.
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
You have posted some stupid stuff
February 28, 2009 - 13:01 ET by general companyThe problem is, conservatives covet sex and porn like no other.
They also shame anyone who has a more relistic relationship with sexual
desires.
But this shows just how out of touch you realy are. If conservatives have such lousy relationships then how come they dont divorce at the same clip as liberals? Why are you libs all in therapy if you are so dammed realistic? Get a grip, some of us have wonderful relationships, we dont need to subsidize it with porn. But I am completely sure that is lost on you.
And Shawn, you should not go around pretending you speak for any conservatives, you dont!!
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Where's the study that
February 28, 2009 - 13:15 ET by NCguyWhere's the study that confirms the divorce rate difference. I see one here that confirms the porn consumption rate. Get busy and go google it you goof.
Hey Shawn, sorry bud, but now it's time for the wrath of the right. You're out!
Hey YOU PEOPLE, please, oh please keep pushing this right wing conservative agenda. You will be completly gone from congress and reduced to the size of the green party in just another election cycle or two.
→ Just the facts guy
February 28, 2009 - 13:20 ET by Cool ArrowShawn does not present himself as a conservative.
We won the cold war! Why did we surrender?
google it yourself, you little b!tch
February 28, 2009 - 13:23 ET by general company"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
General company
February 28, 2009 - 13:27 ET by shawn228I'm not speaking for any conservative, I am saying not all conservatives are against porn, in fact I would say a huge chunk of conservatives are not against porn, they just don't want kids to see it, just like another female said above.
Whats your beef with me?
He had my vote
None,
February 28, 2009 - 13:38 ET by general companyWhats your beef with me?
Other then your speaking for conservitives to other liberals, if I could say the same to any number of them I would. NCguy is a perfect example, this douch bag is posting offensive garbage all in the name of attention. Seems pretty clear why he is such a fan of porn..
BTW ncguy, dont bother with the obligatory "I have a great sex life" nobody is buying it.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC
February 28, 2009 - 13:45 ET by shawn228I have many chats with other conservatives on this board offline. Even thought I never met any of them face to face I consider them friends. I never said I was speaking for any of them.
I believe that is a fact, many Republicans that are more of the libertarian nature have no problems with smut as long as it is kept away from children, which I totally agree with.
He had my vote
oh, of course! conservative
February 28, 2009 - 13:56 ET by NCguyoh, of course! conservative can't be into porn. Why would they? They get it under bathroom stalls.
Yeah shawn how dare you
February 28, 2009 - 13:54 ET by NCguyYeah shawn how dare you speak for other conservatives with out checking in with them first. You know they must screen all independant thought first.
Hey GC. can you not see the gross hypocricies in the statement "this douchebag is posting offensive garbage"
BTW I am a fan of porn. Any healthy man is. It's our freakin biology... i mean intelligent design. Sorryto hear you;re a repressed borderline psycho nut bag.
And yes, how dare I say I have a great sex life. I stuck it to the wife this morning in the non-christian way saying "take it you dirty little conservative"
You bothered with it anyway
February 28, 2009 - 14:08 ET by general companyAs if anyone is believing you have a sexlife outside of your pc monitor? What a sad little guy you are
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
watch out, that sexually
February 28, 2009 - 14:12 ET by NCguywatch out, that sexually demeaning comment could get you banned. I hear someone is snuggle bumms with a "matt" around here.
;^ )
February 28, 2009 - 14:17 ET by botg;^ )
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -- Chief Justice John Roberts
"You know they must screen
February 28, 2009 - 14:11 ET by R D Helm"You know they must screen all independant thought first."
In case you haven't noticed, we are not the ones lined up mindlessly behind Obama and ready to blindly follow him while he systematically and quite purposely destroys the very economic system that makes this nation what it is and is about to take it right over the financial cliff.
Of course, the above dissent flies in the face of the Obama worshipers, who are doing all they can to stifle independent thought.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
Sour grapes dude...Sour
February 28, 2009 - 14:20 ET by NCguySour grapes dude...Sour grapes. It's amazing that your biggest complaint with Obama is that so many people support him. Could you imagine if this was the left's rhetoric if Mccain won?
Sour grapes!
Not for nothing but Obama is responding to the right's killing of the international free marketing....wait. Back to the subject. This threat is about the freaky porn watchers...that is the right wing.
"It's amazing that your
February 28, 2009 - 15:17 ET by R D Helm"It's amazing that your biggest complaint with Obama is that so many people support him."
That so many support him is due mostly to the fact of over five decades of government-controlled education, which has dumbed-down the majority of people in this country to the point of near idiocy.
My biggest complaint with Obama is that he is a freedom-loathing, hate-filled socialist who is really only interested in getting "even" with the people who actually made this country what it is.
I'll give you a hint, it wasn't non-productive, lazy, cry-baby fat-asses sitting around waiting for handouts that built this country. It was people who were willing to work 24/7, and take risks that are beyond your comprehension, and who have now been targeted for destruction by Obama's proposed insane tax increases, which will cause a huge drop in the number of small businesses in this country.
In Georgia, 97.9% of those employed work for small businesses. They are now projecting my state will be looking at 10%+ unemployment by the end of this year. I expect that, should Obama's hideous tax increase pass and be signed into law, by the time the tax kicks in in 2011, a large number of small business owners here in my state will have let their employees go, shut down completely, sold off their assets (assuming anyone will be left who can actually buy them) and will live out their days on a beach in Aruba.
I can easily see a 15-20% unemployment rate here in Georgia by then, if not higher still. I expect much of the rest of the nation will be in pretty much the same boat. That is depression territory. What is worse, when we get there, we are going to have a thoroughly bankrupt federal treasury, as well as killer inflation due to the huge amount of paper they are currently printing.
BTW, after one month in office, Obama's approval ratings are now lower than GWB's were at this stage of his presidency. As more and more people start to noodle out what this slick-talking fraud is really up to, I expect his poll numbers to drop at an even faster rate.
"...but Obama is responding to the right's killing of the international free marketing..."
Actually, this country hasn't had a free market economy in over 100 years, as the left began working towards its destruction even before that.
Obama is "responding" by deliberately taking advantage of the situation to stamp out what is left of our free market economy and replace it with one based on the Marxist socialist model.
What will come right behind that is a communist dictatorship.
-Dave
Our clueless political leaders are about to drive us all over a cliff. The time to HITM is now-before we go over.
McShawny -- I wouldn't worry
February 28, 2009 - 14:03 ET by Jack BauerMcShawny -- I wouldn't worry about the beef!
Well I'd say Evangelicals are most definiteley against it
February 28, 2009 - 14:22 ET by nwahsWell I'd say Protestants are most definitely against porn of any kind, and no matter who its marketed to. Its prurient.
Almost 60% of the people who voted for Bush in 2004 considered themselves Protestant, and the majority of them considered themselves Evangelical.
http://people-press....
"I am saying not all conservatives are against porn, in fact I would say a huge chunk of conservatives are not against porn"
In light of the statistics I just posted, I'd say that statement is incorrect, unless there is was a group not polled( like hypocritical Protestant or something).
The measure of a man is not in the length of his profile-Anonymous
~The Bible Belt is not the holy sanctuary'
February 28, 2009 - 12:19 ET by choselife3xIt would sure help if you would stop polluting it with your presence.
I would wager that you are single-handedly responsible for driving up NC's numbers.
Step away from the computer, you filthy perv.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
oh yes, your computer's
February 28, 2009 - 12:26 ET by NCguyoh yes, your computer's history file is of course free from porn cookies. You are worse than a perv. You're a hypocritical perv.
~What an idiot
February 28, 2009 - 12:40 ET by choselife3xI saw two squirrels doing it once. In my backyard. Unless that counts, then no, I've never watched porn. My husband is the only man I've ever even kissed. You're so far off in left field you're bumping into the wall.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
You protest too much.
February 28, 2009 - 12:46 ET by NCguyYou protest too much. You're reaffiming my belief that you are a repressed closested freak. Let it out honey. I sence a sassy little MILF busting at the seems.
Mmmm, now I sense you're
February 28, 2009 - 12:51 ET by Jack BauerMmmm, now I sense you're one of the few MILFs posting here. That's
Mindless Ignorant Lefty F+++er ... Done and dusted, MILF.
~I don't want to know
February 28, 2009 - 12:58 ET by choselife3xWhat MILF stands for, do I?
I just asked my husband what the gym (Y) has to do with this subject and he enlightened me. Blech. Are the mods asleep, or what? This NCguy is really bringing the site down.
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
chose -- it's a deragatory
February 28, 2009 - 13:08 ET by Jack Bauerchose -- it's a deragatory term invented by the porn industry to label generally sad, exploited drug-addled, abused women who are presented for the momentary self-satisfaction of men.
It's just part of the endless cycle of young women and even young girls lured, grabbed, kidnaped, imprisoned and beaten into prostitution.
No it doesn't Jack
February 28, 2009 - 13:12 ET by shawn228I do not agree with what NC guy is saying and he is being extremely crude and should be called on it.
but MILF means in least crude way possible a Mother that is umm sexy.
He had my vote
Oh now you're digging a
February 28, 2009 - 13:10 ET by NCguyOh now you're digging a hole for yourself. This is a response to a post much further down the list.
Did you really need to say you asked your husband? Remeber that "you protest too much" remark.?!?
Not for nothing but if you've really never heard the term MILF...ah forget what I was going to say. No WAY does anyone in here believe that statment.
Ah -- but we ALL believe
February 28, 2009 - 14:19 ET by Jack BauerAh -- but we ALL believe you're the only "MILF" on site - a Malignant Ignorant Lefty F+++er
I believe her, HOWEVER she NOW knows 2 filthy factoids from you
February 28, 2009 - 14:21 ET by upcountrywaterTake pride in spreading filth (?) !
You forgot what you were going to say? BTW, 3rd. stage syphilis will do that.
Choose knows where she is going to be after this., Do you?
pURPLe pINKy
You've contracted porn
February 28, 2009 - 12:55 ET by Jack BauerYou've contracted porn cookies?
Dude keep takin' those shots in the rear -- penicillin or whatever turns your boat. And stop posting on Craigs List till the clinic gives you the all clear.
Feeeeel the unity
February 28, 2009 - 12:58 ET by acumenNot to distract you from your porn obsession but doesn't this new healing/unity era the chosen one and his disciples have brought to America just warm your heart?
Not that I don't understand you wanting to gloat over this non-story. I just thank lord obama so much that people like you in NC gifted America (two Americas?) with that wonderful example of liberal morality, John Edwards.
I didn't mean to get you off track. Now what were you saying about hypocritical pervs?
I'm impressed you managed to
February 28, 2009 - 12:43 ET by Jack BauerI'm impressed you managed to type that post one handed whilst multi-tasking on your second monitor at the website number www.filthmeup.org -- and we all know what "org" is short for you old porn hound.
No one in the Bible Belt has said it's a "holy sanctuary" . . .
February 28, 2009 - 12:54 ET by CKA in Red State USAAnd, yes, there are hypocrites everywhere. Unlike you, who appear to be "perfect" in your judgment.
And your "you people" remark . . .
February 28, 2009 - 12:57 ET by CKA in Red State USALast I checked, that's dripping with racial overtones especially if delivered to anyone who's not non-black.
But when applied to whites, Christians, Southerners, working people, mostly men, conservative women, etc., it's not though, right?
Nothing hypocritical about your use of that phrase, though.
Dunderhead.
It's more likely that more
March 3, 2009 - 17:10 ET by GrannyGrump42It's more likely that more internet porn use is linked to lack of porn and other sexual goods and services available in meatspace. Why wank off in front of your computer when you can pop off to Adult World and see a live woman dancing in a g-string?
This is nothing more than a
February 28, 2009 - 12:13 ET by rbosqueThis is nothing more than a cheap-shot. Why not do a story on how most people in prison are Democrats (which explains why the Dems wanted to give felons the right to vote). Or that most Democrats are sex offenders?
If this Porn Gap story were
February 28, 2009 - 12:40 ET by Jack BauerIf this Porn Gap story were true -- which I very much doubt -- then I'm sure the trillion dollar STIMULS BILL would have addressed this with massive handouts to those States lagging behind in porn usage.
In its press release, ABC
February 28, 2009 - 12:53 ET by TEIn its press release, ABC so-called "News" asserts: ""Porn in the USA: Conservatives Are Biggest Consumers."
Not that we needed further evidence how stupid these leftists fools are, but this ABC press release and its conclusions demonstrate just how stupid these fools are and how easily manipulated they are. Based on the "logic" used by ABC so-called "News", they would have to conclude that "conservatives" are more likely to commit capital murder and be executed because Texas (a red state) convicts, sentences and executes more murderers than any of the blue states. Do you see how stupid ABC's conclusion is?
Red state Yankees?
February 28, 2009 - 13:05 ET by zachlindI bet if you dig deep into the survey you will find that a majority of the people surveyed in the red states were Yankees that had moved there from blue states.
The money quote
February 28, 2009 - 13:09 ET by Reaver"Yes, it's another one of those dime-a-dozen studies."
Yes, they can come up with a study to claim absolutely anything. Every week the media reports on a few more. And this is typical of how the media report science. In science a single report is like a single data point on a graph, it is at best an interesting point of data that needs to be looked at, tested and verified. But the media report these individual studies as Moses descending from the mount "The gods of science have spoken". Case in point the recent study claiming that Antarctica was in fact warming. The media jumped all over this story because it fit their global warming narrative. There were hundreds of reports in dozens of media outlets. Was anybody in the media curious that this single study overturned twenty years of observational evidence? Of course not. The story was this knocked the legs out from under one of the skeptics best arguments. Within days skeptics were able to discredit this study by pointing out the holes in the data. Did any of the media do a follow up story? Of course not. Leaving most people with the impression that the skeptics are wrong about Antarctica. Mission accomplished.
If stupidity got us into this mess,
then why can't it get us out?
--Will Rogers
Red-blooded Yankee
February 28, 2009 - 13:54 ET by Roger the ShrubberRed-blooded Yankee Conservatives like this shrubber loves porn!
Sure, Conservative consumers love their porn, but it's the kook Left losers that buy up all that nasty midget-clown-and-donkey stuff, not us.
Maybe liberal pornlovers like to live in conservative states.
February 28, 2009 - 13:57 ET by ekslibMaybe liberal pornlovers get an extra thrill when they imagine how "shocked" their conservative neighbors would be. Or maybe they like the added elements of "risk."
Although Illinois is not conservative, I'm reminded of Mel Reynolds, the Democratic IL Congressman who liked the idea of indulging in child pornography which was spiced up with religion.
from: http://www.nndb.com/...
At one point [Reynolds] begs [his mistress] to provide lewd photos of [her fictitious lesbian lover].
"Jesus," Reynolds says on the tapes, "a Catholic. [...] Did I win the
Lotto?"
You know, I think Rush
February 28, 2009 - 13:57 ET by nwahsYou know, I think Rush Limbaugh is responsible for the influx of porn into the GOP..
The measure of a man is not in the length of his profile-Anonymous
~I am so glad I wasn't drinking anything
February 28, 2009 - 14:11 ET by choselife3xWhen I read that!
Dude, you are too freakin' funny.
Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf Arf!!
Hope and Change=
Despair and Socialism
No way dude, not Rush.
February 28, 2009 - 14:15 ET by NCguyNo way dude, not Rush. TAKE IT BACK.
...He's they guy responsible for the influx of drugs and viagra into the GOP.
;)
February 28, 2009 - 14:54 ET by nwahsThere may be a few that disagree with you :D
The measure of a man is not in the length of his profile-Anonymous
The story is without a doubt a misrepresentation
February 28, 2009 - 14:51 ET by nwahsThe ABC story misrepresents the study, and fails to link the study (wonder why they forgot that?).
What I found interesting is how small the consumption of internet porn is. I remember in the early days of the internet, isp's stating that porn accounted for almost 40% of the traffic over the internet. Thats when more people were using usenet groups, than web sites.
I wonder if the amount of porn consumption on the net is really down, or if the tracking method is flawed. For the purpose of the study, I don't think it matters as the study is showing a trend, or no trend to be more accurate. But I would bet there is more the 5.95 people per 1000 with broadband access, surfing porn.
The measure of a man is not in the length of his profile-Anonymous
wow. Lot's of assumptions.
February 28, 2009 - 16:54 ET by NCguywow. Lot's of assumptions. Little to back it up.
Conservatives buy porn..
February 28, 2009 - 17:07 ET by CobraManThis "study" proves only one thing: Conservatives buy porn while Liberals steal it off the internet.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
shark attacks
February 28, 2009 - 17:59 ET by katainkentdid you know that shark attacks can be correlated to ice cream sales? It can be statistically 'proven'. Without seeing all the raw data in in the source material I can't disprove the study but I could make the argument this is incredibly sloppy science. The sad part is that it is taken by major news organizations and used as a smear campaign. Its much like this email my mother forwarded to me about MSG and/or nicotine being used in coffee franchising to make it more addictive. Someone 'studied it' and made it into an article. If a major news organization took that and used it in a story the coffee franchises would be screaming bloody murder.
Geeze
February 28, 2009 - 21:52 ET by Warner Todd HustonI go away from the computer for most of the day and I get THESE replies!?
Wish there was a way to lock a thread.
NC is a bit of an idiot, I see.
Ah, well. I guess I should have realized that porn would rouse the passions... as it were.
WTH
March 1, 2009 - 10:56 ET by OldSailor88"NC is a bit of an idiot, I see."
I'm going to have to correct you WTH. NC isn't an idiot. He's a turd throwing chimpanzee that has nothing better to do than fling poo because his mind is caged by public education.
Taking an educated guess, I'd say he's probably sitting in a beanbag chair watching porn in his mom's basement while eating a bag of cheetos.
Caution NC: That orange dye doesn't wash off easily.
Old Sailor
March 1, 2009 - 11:00 ET by sherylsimsStill laughing about your "CD" comment the other day.
It's open material
March 1, 2009 - 11:15 ET by OldSailor88You may use it when appropriate free of charge.
CD
March 1, 2009 - 11:19 ET by sherylsimsStill waiting for the perfect opportunity! :o)
It seem to me
March 1, 2009 - 14:17 ET by CobraManIt seems to me that the only passion being displayed here is by NCguy who felt it necessary to use this topic as just another avenue from which to attack Conservatives. Prior to his flame baiting, the discussions were quite respectful, and even entertaining.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities
of Citizens in the several States.
The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus.
The US Supreme Court
Let's do another study....
March 3, 2009 - 08:12 ET by GrannyGrump42How many perverts and rapists work at abortion clinics versus at prolife pregnancy centers?
Let's see... perverts at abortion clinics:
Laurence Reich, Abortionist and Pervert
April 22: Abortionist arrested for sexual assault on underage girl
Milan Chepko, Abortionist and Child Porn Swapper
George Elliott Kabacy, Abortionist and Child Pornographer
Icky Ricke Resurfaces
Theodore Lehrer: Champion of Choice?
Jesse Floyd: Student nurse alleges rape
Richard Ragsdale: Caught with pornographic photos of foster daughter
And I'm just warming up, folks. I got plenty more.
Now -- Perverts working at prolife pregnancy centers:
Zero and counting.
Now THIS seems like more of a trend to me.