New York Times: 'It's Even Cool to Wave the Stars and Stripes' Because of Obama

New York Times: 'It's Even Cool to Wave the Stars and Stripes' Because of Obama

By Warner Todd Huston (Bio | Archive)
January 19, 2009 - 00:19 ET

Byron York from NRO's The Corner Blog noticed an interesting little tidbit in The New York Times on January 18. In the Times' recounting of all the interesting events going on in the Capitol surrounding the inauguration of The One, the Times seemed very excited that it was suddenly "cool" to be patriotic.

WASHINGTON is suddenly hip again, infused with the heady double-barreled combination of a new crowd of idealistic young political worker bees, who actually believe they can change the world, and the arrival of America's first black president. It's even cool to wave the Stars and Stripes. And in the honeymoon months of the Barack Obama presidency, before the country's marriage to its new president undergoes the usual souring, a trip to the nation's capital is just the ticket. Why, it would almost be unpatriotic not to visit.

This is far more a revealing and disgusting display of the unpatriotic demeanor of the left than a demonstration of excitement over the Obammessiah's big day.

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This little paragraph also speaks to a chief difference between conservatives and Republicans and the extremists in the Democratic Party. This difference is one that fully defines what real patriotism is and proves once again that the left doesn't have it.

Recall back during Bill Clinton's first inaugural, the then left leaning actor Ron Silver told a story that when the jets from the U.S. Air Force streaked over head, he was heartened to realize that those jets were "our jets now."

Now, many know that Silver had a change of heart in the aftermath of 9/11. After those towers came down, Silver realized that the left was the cause of that crime nearly as much as the Islamofascists that perpetrated it. But in the 1990s he was a die-hard Clintonite. So, when those Air Force jets appeared overhead, Silver, in a revealing display, suddenly felt that those jets were "our jets" whereas before he imagined that the U.S. military apparently stood against him and his ilk. Once Clinton was in charge, though, he felt the military was all of a sudden on his side at long last.... merely because Clinton got elected.

Now we get The New York Times saying that with Obama being installed in the White House, it's "cool to wave the Stars and Stripes." It's as if the flag was not a cool thing before November 4, 2008.

You see, to the left, nothing American is "cool" or "theirs" when they are not in political control. They hate the half of America that leans center right so much that when folks with that ideology are in charge leftists feel that the country is not "theirs."

On the other hand, conservatives and Republicans claim the flag, the military and the country as theirs no matter who is in charge in Washington D.C. Oh, conservatives and Republicans may not be happy when leftists are in charge, but they rarely completely disown the whole country because of it. Conservatives and Republicans remain proud of the U.S. and its history whether the Democratic Party wins or not.

This sentiment so prominent with Democrats where the country is to be disowned unless they hold political power is not patriotism. It is selfishness, arrogance, hatred, and bigotry, but it is not patriotism.

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That's strange, I have

January 19, 2009 - 00:25 ET by Clear thinker

That's strange, I have always thought it was cool to fly the Stars and Stripes. In fact, I spell 'cool' like this 'p-a-t-r-i-o-t-i-s-m'.

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Yeah, to all the Johnny Come

January 19, 2009 - 09:13 ET by BD

Yeah, to all the Johnny Come Lately's who have arrived late to the "Its cool to be an American" position, it is YOUR turn to dig the foxhole - we have dug the last 200+ years worth.

BD

January 19, 2009 - 21:21 ET by AnotherFedUpOne

Well Said!

My sentiments Exactly!

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Well said WTH

January 19, 2009 - 00:27 ET by AFClone

Even though I voted for McCain and am not happy with the Obama Presidency-to-be, I continue to fly my flag. Bought a solar spot light today so I won't have to take it down (except in high wind - rips them to shreds).

I feel sorry for these "lukewarm" patriots. They are like lukewarm Christians...only going to church if something bad happens....when everything is back to status quo, they don't show up, they're too busy.

Spot on Warner, excellent

January 19, 2009 - 00:44 ET by Blazer

Spot on Warner, excellent analysis.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."

Thanks

January 19, 2009 - 01:32 ET by Warner Todd Huston

Thank you for the kind words.

Sigh....

January 19, 2009 - 02:01 ET by Duymon

Being American. Only cool when we're winning!

Just watch as the Democratic Executive Branch and Congress work hand in hand to destroy this country by plunging us into inescapable debt.

It is the true Americans that will, unfortunately, be sinking with the ship that is America while the spineless people who were ashamed to call themselves americans run away....again....

A new definition of "hypocrite" mst now include. . .

January 19, 2009 - 02:41 ET by CKA in Red State USA

. . . the New York Obama Times.

As for waving the flag, gee, wasn't that some Republican/conservative tackiness just a few months ago?

You wonder about Obama's supporters and how many of them have spit on Old Glory, or burned her, or stepped on her, or done anything but respect her and understand what she means.

Or how many of them ridicule those who do?

Or who actually say the Pledge of Allegiance?

Or actually fly it at our homes?

Amazing, isn't it, that a still-not-yet-determined-to-be-natural-born-citizen Obama, who sought Marxist friends and was mentored by someone from the CPUSA, who didn't have the wherewithal to actually put his hand over his heart during the playing of the Star Spangled Banner, who is so steeped in blame America for everythng--that he should inspire flag waving.

Dear God, what now, then, does waving the flag mean to him and his bots?

And patriotism? Wasn't that, hasn't that been for the longest time a four-letter obscenity to the Democrats, liberals and leftists?

Hypocrites all. Them and their advocacy/adversary media outlet called the New York Obama Times.

You wonder about Obama's

January 19, 2009 - 03:37 ET by Jer

You wonder about Obama's supporters and how many of them have spit on Old Glory, or burned her, or stepped on her...

I don't know...probably considerably less than one-tenth of one per cent.

or done anything but respect her and understand what she means.

The question is vague, ambiguous and impossible to answer as framed.

Or how many of them ridicule those who do?

The overwhelming majority.

Or who actually say the Pledge of Allegiance?

You mean on those occasions where it is part of a ceremonial ritual? Again, the overwhelming majority. And very few would flatly refuse to say it.

Or actually fly it at our homes?

Probably a very small per centage of Democrats or Republicans.

If he is a communist disciple or lackey, he certainly hasn't demonstrated anything of the sort thus far. And one would think his cabinet appointments would be radical leftists instead of primarily mainstream centrists.

Dear God, what now, then, does waving the flag mean to him and his bots?

I'm not sure about the context of the question, but I would suggest, in the literal sense, it means the same thing to Democrats and Republicans.

And patriotism? Wasn't that, hasn't that been for the longest time a four-letter obscenity to the Democrats, liberals and leftists?

Well, actually, no. But I guess it largely depends on how you define "patriotism". Some may say it means "my country, right or wrong. Others may say it means a belief that your country is the best by comparison to others, but can still be made better. Or that one may voice honest criticisms of this nation's--i.e. the government's or its leader's--policies, without being labeled "unpatriotic". But patriotism an obscenity? Absolutely not.

Jer

You must not..

January 19, 2009 - 03:50 ET by Warner Todd Huston

You must not be as tapped into the left as you think if you say...

"But patriotism an obscenity? Absolutely not."

You are decidedly in the minority if the writers in the Old Media are much of an example.

LOL

Warner...I just logged in

January 19, 2009 - 04:36 ET by Jer

Warner...I just logged in for a moment and noticed your post. We can talk more about it later if you like.

But, as I understand it, your contention is that the majority of Democrats don't love their country, or believe that loving one's country is an obscenity. Is that correct? Because there was no differentiation in the post I addressed between Democrats, leftists, and liberals. They were all painted with the same brush.

Jer

democrats,leftists, liberals.

January 19, 2009 - 04:50 ET by cocodrie

All peas in the same pod.

Jesus Loves You

Well...

January 19, 2009 - 05:10 ET by Warner Todd Huston

Jer,

I do believe, as I assume you do, that the average Democrat loves his country. I also firmly believe the average Democrat is utterly uninformed about what his country "is," was or is supposed to be. Still, they generally do love their country well enough.

But NO liberal loves this country and they all to a man believe the USA to be an obscenity. In fact, to BE a liberal PRECLUDES loving this country.

What these sorts of people "love" (if they can be trusted to understand even the definition of that word) is what they want this country to be. And what they want this country to be is a less powerful version of the dream socialist, Euroweenie state.

Let's look at the facts:

They hate the founders
They hate the Constitution
They are ashamed of the flag
They look askance at anyone that is patriotic
They imagine themselves too smart for religion
They hate US history
They hate the US political system
They disdain US culture
They despise the middle class
They hate the laws here

In short they hate everything about this country and want it changed to some different idea, some different model.

You cannot love a thing that you want remade into a wholly different thing than it is.

Look at it like the stupid, starry-eyed and abused girl that still loves her abusive boyfriend because she thinks her "love" will "change" him into the perfect man. This girl does NOT love her man, but she is in love with the idea of being in love with the perfect man. She neither knows what real love is, she doesn't understand that what she wants ain't gonna happen, nor does she really understand or know a thing about the object of her fantasy love.

Again, you cannot love something that you want completely altered into a different thing.

If you have a Ford Contour and claim you love it but want it to look like a Mustang.... then you DON'T love a Ford Contour! You really love a Mustang. Liberals pretend they love the United States but want it to be a poorer, weaker version of the U.S.S.R. They don't love the USA at all, they love the concept of the U.S.S.R.

Good morning Warner

January 19, 2009 - 05:33 ET by cocodrie

Grand slam on that one

Jesus Loves You

Thanks

January 19, 2009 - 06:41 ET by Warner Todd Huston

Thanks, but my guess is that Jer will find a few of my points a tad off base!
LOL

Yeah, he will likely attack

January 19, 2009 - 09:38 ET by BD

Yeah, he will likely attack the girlfriend analogy, but you have something going there.

I cannot imagine that ANYONE would actually believe liberals love this country. THey might revere one or two portions of it (Like they secretely LOVE hating Racism since it gives them something to hate rather than love) but they really do not LOVE anything about it.

Frankly, BD... It was

January 19, 2009 - 19:12 ET by Jer

Frankly, BD...

It was Warner's Mustang analogy that really got me steamed. :-)

Jer

Warner... Actually, I

January 19, 2009 - 19:10 ET by Jer

Warner...

Actually, I appreciate and applaud your opening sentence about Democrats loving their country. It's just the entire remaining portion of your comment which I find a tad off base. LOL.

As I see it, a critical flaw in your premise--but shared by many of your ideological bretheren--is the conflation of responsible liberalism with the radicalism, anarchial libertarianism, revolutionary nihilism, communism and other forms of far-left extremism which are the antithesis and the enemy of liberalism, in much the same manner that far-right fringe groups are unfairly associated with mainstream conservatism.

Jer

You wonder about Obama's

January 19, 2009 - 09:29 ET by BD

You wonder about Obama's supporters and how many of them have spit on Old Glory, or burned her, or stepped on her...

I don't know...probably considerably less than one-tenth of one per cent.

Then you do not know your comrades on the left. Question: Why won't the Democrat party EJECT the following individuals?

Bill Ayers?

Bernadine Doehrn?

Jane Fonda?

Ted Turner?

John F. Kerry?

Ron Dellums?

Jerry Rubin?

Sam Melville?

Jane Alpert?

Noam Chomsky?

Norman Mailer? (Ooops, he was on Gods list)

THe Camden 28?

THe Chicago 7?

THe Harrisburg 7?

All former memebers of the Weather Underground?

All present and former members of the Black Panthers?

All present and former members of the SDS?

All present and former members of the Earth Liberation Front?

All present and former members of the KKK?

All former members of the Vietnam War protest group (fake) known as the WInter Soldier Investigation?

All former members of the SNCC?

All former members of the VVAW?

Those who bombed Sterling Hall?

All former members of Youth Internationale?

Oh hell, you get the picture?

Why won't the dems eject this list of SCUM? Because if they did thier entire leadership would be gone!

Oh so true

January 19, 2009 - 10:03 ET by Blonde

And you forgot to mention that several of these people on your list are good friends of our soon-to-be President, whose own pastor, from his pulpit, screamed "God d*** America!!!!". I don't care how liberals and democrats spin it....that is the antithesis of patriotism.

A few other names come to mind, too....John Murtha, Cold Cash Jefferson...okay, I'm getting depressed now, these people are going to be dancing in the streets tomorrow.

Thanks for reminding me of

January 19, 2009 - 17:17 ET by BD

Thanks for reminding me of those stalwart citizens.

In a peculiar coincidence, I have begun reading a book covering the infamous "Miracle Valley Incident" in 1983 in which a cult of charismatic black faith healing christian seperatists from Chicago who very much remind me of Reverend Wrights flock decended on a small town south of here on the Mexican border to build a new community that would essentially do away with the white man.

Nothing ends well as far as I can tell. The local anglo and hispanic ranchers at first try to get along with "Reverend Mrs. Thomas" and her flock of southside anti-white reactionaries, but South Chicago well armed bigotry mixed with bizarre faith healing and demands to take over the local school in Palominas made them unwelcome.

It is the verbage that is used by the Revend Thomas, her "Field Marshall Son" and the rest of the flock that brings me back to Reverend Wright. Nothing will end well there either if he were to keep on with his preaching. THasnk god he is retireing.

All of these are my

January 19, 2009 - 19:44 ET by Jer

All of these are my comrades on the left? Nonsense. Do you consider the KKK to be your comrades on the right?

I don't know where you reside now or have in the past, BD, but I can assure you I have lived in the south far longer than you. I can further assure you that there are many former and present members of the Klan who were once Democrats but are now ultra-rightist Republicans--others who have rejected extremism and become mainstream Democrats and Republicans [and, yes, I'm quite aware of Robert Byrd's history....I read about it two or three times a week at NewsBusters]. But, note my response to Warner regarding identification by association.

In the 60's, I was a Democrat who initially supported our intervention in Viet Nam but gradually became disillusioned with the war and supported and encouraged our disengagement. But, I never felt anything but admiration for the troops who were there, and respect for this country and its flag. I wrote, spoke, and debated others about my views, but I didn't burn anything, spit on anybody, or engage in any similarly despicable activity, and I despised those who did.

Finally, recall the accusation to which I responded--actually "spitting on, burning, stepping on Old Glory". Do you honestly believe that Ted Turner, just for one example, has physically--not figuratively or in some metaphysical sense--done so?

Jer

um yeah Jer

January 19, 2009 - 19:54 ET by candance

I gotta go with Warner and the others on this. I've personally witnessed people refuse to stand for the national anthem. It's more common than what you seem to think.

Oh, and as for the Klan, when they become political allies and coworkers of Sarah Palin, then maybe you'll have a comparison.

I'm a typical white person.

Well, candance...

January 19, 2009 - 20:23 ET by Jer

I gotta go with Warner and the others on this.

I would have been shocked if you had stated otherwise. In matters of basic political philosophy in which I have expressed a perceived liberal-supportive view, I don't think I've ever seen a conservative post "I gotta go with Jer on this one". But, I'll just continue to keep plugging away and call it like I see it.

I've personally witnessed people refuse to stand for the national anthem. It's more common than what you seem to think.

Now I am shocked...at least with respect to the suggestion of its common occurrence. Maybe I've just lived in a much more patriotic area of the country than you, but I'm sure I've been around for a lot longer time than you, and I haven't found such refusal to be a common practice at all.

Oh, and as for the Klan, when they become political allies and coworkers of Sarah Palin, then maybe you'll have a comparison.

Sorry, candance, but I think I'll require a further amplification of your argument before responding--or is this yet another Robert Byrd example, tying him to Biden?

Jer

Good evening Jer

January 19, 2009 - 20:33 ET by cocodrie

Robert Byrd is the only senator who is a member of the KKK. Joe Biden is his friend and colleague.

Jesus Loves You

Evening, cocodrie...

January 19, 2009 - 22:45 ET by Jer

So Byrd is an active, dues-paying, card-carrying, robe-wearing, cross-burning Klansman? What, exactly, is your evidence of same?

Jesus loves you, too.

Jer

January 19, 2009 - 23:48 ET by cocodrie

Byrd joined the klan in 1942 and held the positions of Kleagle (recruiter) and Grand Cyclops. In 1947 he wrote in a letter to Grand Imperial wizard Samuel Green "The Klan is needed today as never before and I am axious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia in every stste of the Union". He opposed integration of the armed forces and voted against confirmation of Thurgood Marshall and Clarence Thomas.

There is no record of him ever resigning his membership. Jesus Loves You

→ Robert Byrd (D)

January 20, 2009 - 00:00 ET by Cool Arrow

Said he'd rather die a thousand deaths than have the armed services polluted with those mongrels.

I'm tellin' ya. It's the most confounding case of Stockholm Syndrome I've ever seen.

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

I gotta go with Jer on this one :-)

January 19, 2009 - 20:40 ET by shawn228

Jer have you ever refused to stand for a national anthem? I know I haven't. Do you hate constitution? I don't

Sad that some want to say that all libs are the same. That is completely false.

Its like comparing all Republicans to abortion clinic bombers, that drive gas guzzling pickup trucks that want to harass and beat up gay people.

He had my vote

We throw the abortion

January 19, 2009 - 20:49 ET by BD

We throw the abortion clinic bombers in jail and they do not become the leaders of our party.

You allow your scags to be the leaders of yours. (Byrd, Kerry, Kennedy, Bobby Rush, etc)

You have a point BD,

January 19, 2009 - 20:55 ET by shawn228

....however we are discussing the fact that all liberals are the same, I disagree. There are far left loonies and there are far right loonies. Not everyone lib hates their country, wants to murder babies and try to take God out the pledge of allegience.

He had my vote

But Shawn

January 19, 2009 - 22:25 ET by cocodrie

That's what most liberals say they want to do,, murder babies, take God out of America and they hate America. Just listen to what they say and read what they write. They say it over and over.

Jesus Loves You

→ Hi Shawn

January 19, 2009 - 22:28 ET by Cool Arrow

You're somewhat liberal, I surmise.

Would you be in favor of outlawing abortion beyond the first trimester?

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

CA

January 19, 2009 - 23:24 ET by shawn228

Abortion is something I am on the fence on, but I would be open to at least entertaining the idea. The health of the mother would also be a major ceveot.

He had my vote

→ Thanks Shawn

January 19, 2009 - 23:38 ET by Cool Arrow

But it will always sicken me that the Government forces me to pay for somebody else's "right" to kill her children.

I shouldn't be forced into this conspiracy against our next generation.

BTW, don't confuse "caveat" with "red herring"

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

Shawn

January 19, 2009 - 23:42 ET by choselife3x

'The health of the mother' is a major liberal talking point. The actual circumstances where the mother's life is in danger is so incredibly rare it isn't even worth bringing up in legislation.

The most common complication is pre/eclampsia.
If the mother develops it you simply deliver the baby.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

→ Mother's health

January 19, 2009 - 23:50 ET by Cool Arrow

Of course if you include the mental anguish of not fitting into that beautiful prom dress, the mother's health is obviously of utmost importance.

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

Cool...

January 19, 2009 - 23:54 ET by Jer

Would you be in favor of outlawing abortion beyond the first trimester?

Yes, with very limited exceptions.

Would you be in favor of keeping it legal during the first trimester? The first month? Week? Abortifacient birth control or "morning after" pills?

Jer

→ Jer

January 20, 2009 - 00:02 ET by Cool Arrow

Let's start at square one.

1. Do I have to pay for it with my tax money?

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

Cool...

January 20, 2009 - 00:06 ET by Jer

For the sake of argument, let's say you don't.

Jer

→ Question #2

January 20, 2009 - 00:11 ET by Cool Arrow

Can I demand that my country refuses to allow a higher per capita abortion rate for one ethnic group than another?

See! we can agree to quotas! Do you like mine?

Because I really hate the racism Abortion Clinics engage in currently.

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

Cool... We could dance

January 20, 2009 - 00:24 ET by Jer

Cool...

We could dance around the edges the rest of the night. If you're not ready, or would prefer not, to address the central issue, that's okay.

Jer

→ Predictable Jer

January 20, 2009 - 00:32 ET by Cool Arrow

I gave you a question I knew you wouldn't answer.

Only a racist would refuse to set quotas by ethnicity.

Checkmate. Beat you with your own liberal tactics.

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

Checkmate my foot, Cool...

January 20, 2009 - 00:43 ET by Jer

Checkmate my foot, Cool...

I just didn't want to play the "okay, next question" game for the next hour before finally getting to the crux of the issue.

Jer

→ Sorry Jer

January 20, 2009 - 00:46 ET by Cool Arrow

But you already conceded.

Next topic.

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

Curious manner of

January 20, 2009 - 00:59 ET by Jer

Curious manner of defining concession--but, it's getting late anyway.

Jer

→ I'm learning

January 20, 2009 - 01:05 ET by Cool Arrow

I'm learning the fine art of liberal debate.

All I have to do is bend the topic into a charge of racism.

It's surprisingly easy to master. Disingenuous as hell, but easy.

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

Cool... Then why not pick

January 20, 2009 - 18:26 ET by Jer

Cool...

Then why not pick up your race cards, shove 'em back up your sleeves, and move on to a table where those games are played. I've never tried it, so I'm not too good at it. Not my gig--unless you include blackjack.

Jer

Cool

January 20, 2009 - 20:37 ET by Blazer

Cool Arrow-01

Jer-00

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."

Nonsense, Blazer... You

January 20, 2009 - 21:02 ET by Jer

Nonsense, Blazer...

You must have learned your scorekeeping from Free Stinker. I completely blew Cool away. He's probably hiding out somewhere, even as we speak, completely and utterly disgraced. All he was interested in was tossing out red--well, black--herrings, instead of addressing the core issue.

Jer

O.K. Jer if you say so,

January 20, 2009 - 21:09 ET by Blazer

O.K. Jer if you say so, you won. You sorta remind me of the "Black Knight" at times. : )

http://www.youtube.c...

You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."

Blazer...I don't even

January 20, 2009 - 21:18 ET by Jer

Blazer...

I don't even need to watch the video to get your point. I've seen it many times, and still laugh myself silly every time. :-)

Jer

edit: BTW, I'll try to get over to the other thread before too long and deal with your "Red" herrings about McCarthy. :-)

→ Hiding out

January 20, 2009 - 21:16 ET by Cool Arrow

I wasn't hiding. You didn't answer my question because I boxed you into an indefensible position so you decided to call it a night. (Last night)

Sure, it was a cheap shot, but not without merit.

If you were going to come back to this topic, you should have thought up a better defense. It was you who said you didn't want to dance around this subject anymore.

Bottom line? Abortion is a murder of convenience. I don't want my tax dollars supporting it, and I condemn the obvious genocide.

Just because liberals have convinced an ethnic group it's what's best for them, doesn't make it right.

And the red herrings come in the form of outlier anecdotes occurring so seldom as to be nonsense.

It was such a simple gambit, I don't see why you expect an explanation describing how you lost.

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

Cool... I know you

January 20, 2009 - 21:36 ET by Jer

Cool...

I know you weren't hiding--and never do--hide out. I trust you understood I was just goofing around about that.

However, you did not box me into an indefensible position. As I tried to explain, I was simply in no mood to deal with a possibly endless series of questions, one post at a time, while the main issue was being ignored. If you had started out by putting all of your qualifying and preliminary queries into a single post, perhaps I would have been more amenable to responding accordingly--but not in the format you chose to employ.

Anyway, unless I've misunderstood, you believe abortion is murder anytime following the moment of conception. Thankyou. I respect you and your view. That's all you needed to say in response to my very first post.

Jer

Not everyone lib hates

January 19, 2009 - 23:18 ET by BD

Not everyone lib hates their country, wants to murder babies and try to take God out the pledge of allegience.

Boy, if you could prove that it would be news to me and most others.

BD

January 19, 2009 - 23:32 ET by shawn228

When their was the lawsuit toe take God out of the pledge of the allegience, I did not see many Democratic Congress members that wanted that to pass, if there was, they must be in a a major minority because I have not heard of it.

Ok since all libs are the same, I really don't see how Jon Bon Jovi and John Mellancamp hate their country?. They are pretty much living the American dream, work hard to get successful, get rich. fame women the whole nine yards, why would they hate America?

I have met democrats that are against abortion, but I have to admit they are far and few between.

He had my vote

→ You miss the point Shawn.

January 19, 2009 - 23:41 ET by Cool Arrow

Abortion and School Prayer are issues Congress should address, but are more than willing to abdicate to the Courts.

We elected them to legislate, but the only laws they know how to pass are new ways to steal from us.

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

CA

January 19, 2009 - 23:55 ET by shawn228

I was under the impression from BD and cocodrie that the point was that all libs were pretty much the same, I am saying there are moderate libs and far left libs.

To say that the majority of libs hate their country is just absurd.

You already know about my thoughts about abortion, but even in liberal San Francisco, you can pray in public, it is just not mandatory.

He had my vote

→ You've got a point Shawn

January 20, 2009 - 00:07 ET by Cool Arrow

They love their country, but hate everything about its mission.

Stop the torture. (meaning: Quietly ship those you want to interrogate to Egypt where they get their privates jammed with rusty nails till they talk) But hey! Wasn't us that did it, it was those Egyptians!

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

Sorry to butt in again, Cool [and Shawn]

January 20, 2009 - 00:19 ET by Jer

Sorry to butt in again, Cool [and Shawn...],

But if Obama proceeds with his stated objective to dramatically increase our military presence in Afghanistan--for which some Republicans have expressed reservations--will those critics be correct to continue with their objections after the boots hit the ground. How about if the strategy, once implemented, goes very badly with considerable US casualties? Will it be their patriotic duty to keep quiet?

Jer

But if Obama proceeds with

January 20, 2009 - 00:28 ET by BD

That is the great thing about Conservatives. You will NOT see the following.

Demands for investigations into supposed bad acts by the surge troops just to politically ding up the other side of the aisle (Hello Reid, Murtha, Pelosi, Obama)

Demands to cut back on forces, allowable tactics, and targeting based on PR goals of the political party.

General bafd mouthing of the troops and their mission (Hello Colde Pink, Nancy Sheehad, and the new SDS.)

Constant bitching about our efforts, and why our troops are thugs. (Hello Reid, Murtha, etc)

Demands for recruiters to leave college campuses, librarys, and all other public areas.

How about if the strategy, once implemented, goes very badly with considerable US casualties? Will it be their patriotic duty to keep quiet?

We will support the mission and get the job done CORRECTLY since it is we who are on the battlefront.

→ Don't know Jer

January 20, 2009 - 00:29 ET by Cool Arrow

I didn't know Republicans were against increasing our presence in Afghanistan.

I'm for whatever works with a minimum of American casualities. But I can't imagine Republicans saying anything so stupid as "I support our troops, but not the mission"

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

Cool... I believe there

January 20, 2009 - 00:55 ET by Jer

Cool...

I believe there are some who question the wisdom of the policy on both sides of the aisle. In other words, the strategy is not universally supported and the concern crosses party lines; and is also reflective of divided opinion within the pentagon over the operational effectiveness of the plan.

Maybe BD can shed some light on it from the military perspective.

Jer

→ Yeah, what you said.

January 20, 2009 - 01:01 ET by Cool Arrow

I'm not a military strategist. But I'd likely question whether we had too few than too many.

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

The divided opinion comes

January 20, 2009 - 08:56 ET by BD

The divided opinion comes from the feeling that a surge in Afghanistan identical to the one in Afghanistan will not have a similar result.

In Iraq, the surge not only deposited more troops on the battle field, but changed the dynamic by moving the troops out of secure areas and into local communities to better access the people and gain their trust.

Man y in the military think this had a more positive effect than the actual use of larger numbers of troops.

In Afghanistan, if all you do is add troops, will that have as beneficial an effect? Since the troops are already placed well forward in US, British, Dutch and Canadian zones?(Don't get me started on the rest of our allies)

I have listened to both sides of the issue and both have logic behind their arguments.

Regardless if liberals agree with torture

January 20, 2009 - 00:31 ET by shawn228

Does not mean you hate your country. Obama in a few hours will be the President.

Do you hate your country if you don't agree with Obama's absurd immigation stance?

He had my vote

→ Libs love their country

January 20, 2009 - 00:43 ET by Cool Arrow

Feed the poor. But it's better to dangle bushels of grain in front of the World's starving children before we turn it into ethanol so we can feeeel good about our Carbon Footprint, isn't it?

Some day we will answer for rationalizing away the waste of food.

Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country - Muslim, Khalil Gibran

Shawn

January 20, 2009 - 00:08 ET by cocodrie

Trying to differentiate between left, far-left, extreme-left , radical-left and whatever-kind of left is meaningless to me.

You used the example of abortion - fine.

If you kill a baby one day or 270 days after conception it is still murder.

Same way with liberals. A liberal is a liberal is a liberal is a liberal.......

Jesus Loves You

coco... That it is...no

January 20, 2009 - 00:13 ET by bigtimer

coco...

That it is...no way around it.

cocodrie

January 20, 2009 - 00:22 ET by shawn228

The majority of posters here consider both myself and Jer to be liberals. We both are willing to consider the idea of putting a ban on abortion in the first trimester. I cannot speak for Jer, but my family has never had an abortion.

Also abortion is not the only issue, since I am liberal I would like you tell me about how I hate my country. I know I love my adopted country as much as anyone born here.

He had my vote

Shawn

January 20, 2009 - 00:29 ET by cocodrie

I consider being a little bit liberal in the same context as being a little bit dead. I don't want to be either one.

Jesus Loves You

That was very clever cocodrie

January 20, 2009 - 00:39 ET by shawn228

.......but you never answered my question. I know you said the other day, some questions don't deserved to be anwered, but if you say all libs are the same and I am liberal, is it unfair for me to ask how I hate my country?

He had my vote

Shawn

January 20, 2009 - 01:06 ET by cocodrie

If you are a liberal

1- you support abortion. There are over 40 million dead Americans whose contributions to this country will never be realized.

2- You support and encourage homosexuality, the major force behind the spread of AIDS.

3- You support the appointment of radical judges who create laws from the bench rather than just interpreting the existing law

4- You support the character assassination of President Bush for the last eight years.

5- You support the economic slavery of millions of Americans through economically destructive social programs.

6- You refuse to fully support the United States military at all times

7- You refuse to reduce America's dependency on foriegn oil.

8- You support disarming law-abiding American citizens and confiscating their firearms.

These are all part of the liberal agenda and there are many more that could be listed. By claiming the liberal label You accept these ideals as yours.

Opposition to these ideals define me as a conservative.

Jesus Loves You

Cocodrie

January 20, 2009 - 01:21 ET by shawn228

I would consider myself a left of center independent or a Centralist Democrat

1. Abortion is something I am the fence about and I can see bot sides of the debate, but more in favor of the conservative side

2.I don't believe in gay marriage, but I am against sodomy laws and don't ask don't tell

3 I don't believe in radical judges right or left

4.I don't agree with alot of the mean comments launched his way, but some of it was deserved.

5.I don't believe in social progams, because I believe in peronal responsiblility

6.I fully support the US millitary and their mission

7. Drill baby drill.

8.I believe in gun rights, to an extent.

So cocodrie, some liberal things I believe in, some I do not, but according to you all libs are the same right?

He had my vote

Shawn

January 20, 2009 - 01:50 ET by cocodrie

1- Any abortion is the murder of a baby.

2- Marriage has nothing to do with homosexuality. Homosexuality spreads AIDS more than any other activity.

3- support of liberal politicians is support of radical judges

4- The liberal lies were treasonous and destructive. You shouldn't approve of any of them.

5- Good we agree

6- Good we agree

7- Drilling isn't the only thing. Liberals oppose wind farms (Kennedy and others), they oppose coal, they oppose nuclear power and other alternatives.

8- Gun rights for law abiding citizens should be unlimited.

Wanting to kill future American citizens, promoting sinful destructive lifestyles,electing people who appoint radical judges, treasonous lies about the president, restricting development of alternative energy sources, and restricting the 2nd amendment is not loving America. Since these things will bring about our downfall I consider them hatred of America. These are only a few, there are many more liberal ldeals just as bad or worse.

Jesus Loves You

cocodrie

January 20, 2009 - 08:51 ET by shawn228

I'm sorry about my wishy washy stance on abortion, but it just something I can't decide on and not a major voting point for me and there are many conservatives that feel the same way.

I also find homosexuality unnatural and disgusting, but I am a huge believer of personal freedoms, sodomy, marijuana, prositution should not be promoted, but at the same time I do not believe they should illegal.

I have said many times in the past I am grateful to President Bush for keeping me safe for the past eight years, but he has doubled the national debt, spent like a drunk sailor and increased big government in the past eight years, so I believe much of his criticism is warrented.

I agree with gun rights as long as we can find ways out of keeping them out of the hands of criminals and that is not a war that we are winning.

Just because I disagree with you does not mean I hate America. I am very proud to be American and I have never been ashamed of the stars and bars.

He had my vote

Okay, so by your assessment

January 20, 2009 - 00:21 ET by BD

Okay, so by your assessment groups such as the ACLU are wackjob extremist leftists? THey support Newdow and other wacko's in the desire to remove the word God from most everything.

Oh.... They are also joined by at least four Supreme COurt Jurists so I guess you will agree that those four are radical leftists?

Precisely because they are living the american dream. Self loathing is an awesome thing isnt it?

I have met democrats that are against abortion, but I have to admit they are far and few between.

And they are NEVER allowed to discuss it at the National COnvention stage. END OF STORY>

BD

January 20, 2009 - 00:54 ET by shawn228

I would not say the 4 on the Supreme court are radical leftist, I do not believe they hate our country nor be I believe everyone on the ACLU hate our country.

Do you have any examples of how Jon Bon Jovi has self loathing?, seems he has good looks, money, nice homes ,nice car, he just does not agree with the Republican party.

Your right Dems can't discuss being pro life at their convention, but I remember when Colin Powel brought up being pro choice at the Republican convention the boos were deafening.

He had my vote

Kennedy aint a

January 20, 2009 - 09:03 ET by BD

Kennedy aint a lefitist?

John Paul Stevens aint a leftist?

Breyer?

Ruth Bader Ginsberg????????? Former head of the friggin ACLU??????????

Yeah, but we LET COLIN POWELL SPEAK!

BD

January 20, 2009 - 09:12 ET by shawn228

They are to the left, but they are not flag burning, country hating radical leftist is all I am saying.

I do not believe they hate the constitution or our country. I am not a fan of the hypocrisy of the free speech left at all, I hate any kind of censorship, but saying libs hate our country and our flag is silly.

He had my vote

Good morning Everyone

January 20, 2009 - 09:23 ET by cocodrie

It is impossible to support the troops and not support the missiom

Likewise you cannot love America and hate what it stands for.

Trying to rationalize wrong does not make it right.

Jesus Loves You

Good morning cocodrie

January 20, 2009 - 09:28 ET by shawn228

I believe it is okay to support the troops, but at the same time be angry the war was based on faulty intelligence.

He had my vote

'Faulty intelligence' Big,

January 20, 2009 - 09:36 ET by choselife3x

'Faulty intelligence'
Big, fat media lie, Shawn.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

chose

January 20, 2009 - 10:28 ET by shawn228

like I said to cocodrie on another thread today, it is the official position of the Bush administration that there was faulty intelligence and it was not made up from the media.

He had my vote

16 violated UN sanctions

January 20, 2009 - 10:43 ET by choselife3x

16 violated UN sanctions were the reason we went to war. Don't know if you saw my post on the other thread about it. I never wanted to go to Iraq because I didn't see how we would ever get out. I am very pleasantly surprised that the Iraqi's seem to be assuming responsibility for their own security.
I don't know why the Bush Admin was so wimpy about defending themselves. Katrina, etc.
I figure they have a reason for not going public with the fact that the weapons were moved to Syria. If you want the facts go to a military blog and ask them about the war.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Shawn228: That is only an

January 20, 2009 - 16:18 ET by BD

Shawn228:

That is only an appropriate rationale IF you buy into the theory that there was only one operative reason to invade Iraq (WMD).

This is clearly not the case.

Shawn

January 20, 2009 - 09:38 ET by cocodrie

I'm more narrow minded than you on this

I see it as only two roads, the right and the left. In between there is a deadly swamp of chickensheet excuses.

My quote of the day "When you come to the fork in the road, take it." Yogi Berra

Jesus Loves You

Okay, you got me, I doubt

January 20, 2009 - 09:24 ET by BD

Okay, you got me, I doubt Ruth Bader Ginsberg has ever spit on the flag.

But of course they hate the constitution as currently written, why else go to such lengths to change its meaning and provide legislation from the bench?

not only that shawn

January 19, 2009 - 20:57 ET by porpoiseboy

if you got a problem with my diesel guzzling 4x4 f250 you know where to find me. why would you even use that as an example of something that is wrong with conservatives? probably one of your dumbest posts ever...and that's saying alot.

"Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason" Ben Franklin

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left

I never said I had a problem with your gas guzzler

January 19, 2009 - 21:00 ET by shawn228

You have a right to drive anything you like, just like you have a right to wear a dress to 7-11. It is not for me to judge.

I'm just saying not everyone fits the stereotype.

He had my vote

shawn i know it hurts your head

January 19, 2009 - 21:13 ET by porpoiseboy

but i was just pointing out the absurdity of your posting. candance made a salient point and you just felt like you had to add "i gotta go with jer on this one"....but different than jer who also makes his own salient points to back up his arguments, you make absolutely no point at all. and btw, there is no 7-11 within 100mi of me so you must be looking at yourself in the cctv. you are correct, it is not for you to judge, you are not qualified.

"Here comes the orator! With his flood of words, and his drop of reason" Ben Franklin

Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left

Well PPB

January 19, 2009 - 23:01 ET by shawn228

I thought I made it perfectly clear my point was that not all liberals are the same. Would it make you feel better if I said liberals drove hydrids?

Now you can drive your widdle biddle 4x4 with as much pride as you like.

He had my vote

PBoy

January 19, 2009 - 22:14 ET by choselife3x

He wasn't using that as an example of 'something wrong with conservatives'. You totally misread that. Don't call him stupid unless you want to be called a jerk.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

lol Jer

January 19, 2009 - 20:58 ET by candance

I would have been shocked if you had stated otherwise.

Yes I am a conservative, but I've had disagreements with Warner in the past. I'm not just saying this to take his side...for me it's not a philosophical discussion as much as me pointing out the anti-patriotism I have witnessed.

Maybe I lived in more liberal places where I've seen it more? I dunno, unless you count places like High Point NC to be bastions of liberal society. More than once I remember being in high school and watching my peers boo during the anthem at ceremonies. Not all of them, but enough to notice. I also remember people telling me they would not fly a flag as long as Bush was president when I worked a few years later.

Who said anything about Robert Byrd? Someone mentioned William Ayers and you brought up the Klan. Liberals love to throw this card up even though no sitting Republican has ever been found to be friends with a Klansman, work on a board with a Klansman, party at a Klansman's house, or write books about Klansmen.

Trent Lott was forced to step down because of a passing compliment about a guy who once supported segregation. Robert Byrd merrily sits in Congress as a respected member.

I am really tired of the Klan card being thrown at conservatives.

I'm a typical white person.

candance...I think you

January 19, 2009 - 23:13 ET by Jer

candance...

I think you may need to review the thread chronology. I did NOT bring up the KKK. BD did.

Re Byrd...I did launch a bit of a preemptive strike, because I knew the Byrd example would be trotted out again as has been done scores of times in the past at NewsBusters. [And BD did not disappoint--note his "Sheets Byrd" quip.]

You're tired of the Klan card being thrown at conservatives? Then think how tired I must be getting of it repeatedly being dealt here against Democrats. Does it just not register with you when it continually pops up in the threads?

Jer

update: BTW...if my archived comments were tracked, you would eventually run across my defense [on a couple of occasions] of Trent Lott in that instance. However, I think even Lott concedes he was brought down by opportunistic maneuvering within his own party, motivated in part by the ambitions of Frist.

Okay, let us cut to the

January 19, 2009 - 23:27 ET by BD

Okay, let us cut to the chase. Please list all of the Anti-American groups that can be considered conservative. WHen you are done with that I will list all the Anti-american groups that are liberal.

GUESS WHICH WILL BE HUGELY LONGER AND WITH MORE & WACKIER PEOPLE?

And as I have said before, we conservatives EJECT the bad guys from our party post haste if possible. Your party RELISHES them.

Regarding Trent Lott, he suffered from the process we have in the conservative party. Namely, if you become inapropriate leadership material, we do away with you.

Livingston? Gone....

Clinton? Serves as an example to other liberals in how to be sleazy and kept in office. What is the meaning of IS again?

I gotta

January 19, 2009 - 21:49 ET by Warner Todd Huston

I gotta go with Jer on this.... he's right. No one here will go with Jer.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

But, you have a singular misconception about what is "extreme." The KKK has nothing at all to do with the right. They were spawned by Democrats and have no real political ideology. Further, there are so few actual members of the KKK that it is pointless to use them as a real force.

On the other hand, socialists and communists number in the thousands and ARE a force in the American left.

So, when we say your side has such extremists, we are right. When you counter with the nonsense about the KKK being part of the right... well, it's just silly.

Sorry, I couldn't

January 19, 2009 - 22:26 ET by Jer

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

That's okay, Warner. When I saw those words and noticed you were posting them, my heart didn't even skip a beat.

As for the KKK, I agree they were spawned by Democrats. That historical reality can't be changed or even contextualized in this instance. However, to suggest it has "nothing at all to do with the right" is highly debatable, but it drags a lot of factors into play which we could spend hours dissecting and get nowhere. I will say the Klan doesn't have anything to do with responsible conservatism or responsible liberalism. Regarding its dwindling numbers and consequent lack of influence, I tend to agree, and is one reason I believe it's not particulary relevant to keep repeatedly bringing it up on these threads.

Socialism, or variations thereof, may be a force but I would strongly disagree with your inclusion of communism into the mix.

That said, I'm afraid I'll have to stick by my mutual extremists perception. Your views and mine are of course shaped by fundamentally different perspectives. [But I still love my country.]

Jer

You're not making sense Jer

January 20, 2009 - 23:35 ET by RESTLESS 1

It is a historical fact that from 1865-1965, republicans overwhelmingly voted to abolish slavery and for civil rights. During this time period, the democrats voting overwhelmingly against those issues. I think it was Cobra that laid this out somewhere.

So, you are saying that because it was "conservative" democrats that formed the KKK, somehow conservative republicans should be accused of racism? Do you really think that all of those racist "conservative" democrats joined the republican party? Why, because they so agreed with them? It seems much more likely to me that these "conservative" democrats who are the backbone of the inherently racist democrat party are still democrats. The social engineering that is geared to keep minorities poor and dependent on government is proof positive as far as I am concerned.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Neither are you, Restless...

January 20, 2009 - 23:46 ET by Jer

Neither are you, Restless...

Do you honestly believe 90+% of blacks are so unintelligent that they would belong to, or support with their vote, an "inherently racist democrat party"?

Jer

Yep, it's a form of

January 21, 2009 - 00:02 ET by Blazer

"Do you honestly believe 90+% of blacks are so unintelligent that they
would belong to, or support with their vote, an "inherently racist
democrat party"?

Yep, it's a form of Stockholm Syndrome. However i wouldn,t call them "unintelligent", just ignorant to the fact's.

Too many are blind to the fact that entitlement and handout's have destroyed the black community, put more in prison, split up families, over the years and made them dependant on a party that are apologist's to their irresponsibility while waving a carrot in front of them every election cycle for more votes, only to toss them out when voted in. It's what I call subliminal racism.

It also helps when your cronies in academia, the MSM and demagogue race hustlers are helping you write revisionist history and blame your ill's on imaginary boogie-men.

It's no different than being hooked on heroin and voting for your drug dealer.

Victims=Votes to Democrat's

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."

Evening Blazer

January 21, 2009 - 00:09 ET by RESTLESS 1

"Yep, it's a form of Stockholm Syndrome. However i wouldn,t call them "unintelligent", just ignorant to the fact's."

I see you caught that somewhat telling use of verbiage as well.

What Jer fails to realize is the educational and media machines will move mountains to maintain the perception that the democrats are looking out for the best interests of minorities. I could go on for days dissecting the illogic of this fallacy.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

90+%? No

January 20, 2009 - 23:59 ET by RESTLESS 1

I'd say a great many of them voted out of ignorance, a very different case of being than unintelligent. Interesting you would choose that particular word, hmm? You consider yourself a democrat, right?

But they are voting against their best interests. I would say it is more of a Pavlovian response to giveaways from the democrat party in exchange for votes. That, and democrats and their lemmings in the media making damn sure they don't find out who really voted against abolishment of slavery and civil rights.

A poll on how many, black, white or purple, know just how those votes were divided along party lines would be very interesting, don't you think? I'm sure they haven't learned the truth of the matter in school.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Hmmm,

January 22, 2009 - 21:49 ET by RESTLESS 1

While re-reading through this, it dawned on me that I composed one hell of a ressponse to your comment while your response to my comment above completely ignored the main point. I feel so cheated.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Um, being that the KKK are

January 19, 2009 - 20:06 ET by BD

Um, being that the KKK are democrats (Sheets Byrd?) I CANNOT consider them on my side. But you can.

Georgia, Texas for 8 years. I have seen it, and they are DEMOCRATS.

We would never allow them at our conventions likeyou do.

In the 60's, I was a Democrat who initially supported our intervention in Viet Nam but gradually became disillusioned with the war and supported and encouraged our disengagement.

1.) Why?

2.) WHy did you stay in a plitical party that triumphed in our enemies success?

3.) Why don't you DEMAND your party expel the scum I listed above?

But, I never felt anything but admiration for the troops who were there, and respect for this country and its flag.

Then why don't you demand the Democrat party expel the scum I listed above?

I wrote, spoke, and debated others about my views, but I didn't burn anything, spit on anybody, or engage in any similarly despicable activity, and I despised those who did.

Then why don't you demand the Democrat party expel the scum I listed above?

So you pick ONE of the hundreds of people I list and querry Ted Turner?:

Good GOD! That is like saying, THe Nazi's are not terrible, after all, look at Rudolf Hess!

Um, being that the KKK are

January 19, 2009 - 21:33 ET by Jer

Um, being that the KKK are democrats (Sheets Byrd?) I CANNOT consider them on my side. But you can.

Thanks for the Byrd reference. I think it had been two or three hours since I had noticed another of the several hundred which have been posted here. The KKK started out composed of "conservative" Democrats, and now some members and former members remain "conservative" Democrats, some are now "conservative" Republicans, and some are simply apolitical extremist morons. I think neither of us should consider them on "our" side.

Georgia, Texas for 8 years. I have seen it, and they are DEMOCRATS.

We would never allow them at our conventions likeyou do.

Tennessee and Georgia for 61 years. I've seen it, probably far more closely, and obviously far longer than you. They were and are as what I previously stated.

When and where did we allow them at our convention?

[paraphrasing]Regarding my early support and later disillusionment with the Viet Nam war.

1.) Why? Naivete of the uninformed followed by wisdom gained through knowledge is how I like to describe it. ;-)

2.) WHy did you stay in a plitical party that triumphed in our enemies success? My political party didn't. If any party literally triumphed, it was the Republican party with the election of Nixon.

3.) Why don't you DEMAND your party expel the scum I listed above? Which scum in particular do wish to be expelled, BD?

So you pick ONE of the hundreds of people I list and querry Ted Turner?:

Because you didn't list "hundreds of people". You named a few individuals and various radical organizations, some comprising many who detested both political parties. (Some who later became Republicans.) I addressed a specific charge leveled by CKA. If you recast the substance of that charge into an amalgam of persons and organizations, some of whose objectives may have coincided with the Democratic party, and others whose mission was in direct conflict with it, the type of response you're seeking is impossible.

But, for the record, do you know for a fact that Mailer spit on or burned the flag? or Jane Fonda?

Furthermore, if you were to discover the majority of members of some white supremacist group is voting Republican, will you personally attempt to prevent them from ever voting for another Republican?

And, by the way, what is your view of Rudolf Hess? Terrible or not?

Jer

Good evening Jer

January 19, 2009 - 21:46 ET by cocodrie

Please name at least one right wing republican you alledge to have been a KKK democrat.

Close your raincoat, your liberal spin is exposed.

Jesus Loves You

Thanks for the Byrd

January 20, 2009 - 00:08 ET by BD

Thanks for the Byrd reference. I think it had been two or three hours since I had noticed another of the several hundred which have been posted here.

Want it to stop? Demand that he be ejected from the Democratic Caucus.

Want more to stop? Demand the following be ejected from the Democratic Caucus for past misdeeds. Teddy Kennedy, John F Kerry, Bobby Rush, etc

Oh, and you NOMINATED Kerry, and allow ALL the others to attend your convention.

.) Why? Naivete of the uninformed followed by wisdom gained through knowledge is how I like to describe it. ;-)

So what changed to makeyou suddenly conclude we were in error? Was it the mass graves of school teachers, firemen, politicians, administrators at Hue killed by the NVA?

Nonsense, ever liberal and democrat politician since 1968 has had as an article of faith that:

the war was unwinnable

we were at wrong for fighting the hardworking honest people of North Vietnam

that we deserved to lose

that we were evil for attempting to keep the people of south vietnam free.

Just the facts....

.) Why don't you DEMAND your party expel the scum I listed above? Which scum in particular do wish to be expelled, BD?

Argh! Okay, lets resume the bidding.

John F. (Winter soldier) Kerry.

William Ayers.

Bernadine Doehrn

Jane Fonda

Ted Turner

Ron Dellums

Jerry Rubin

Sam Melville

Jane Alpert

Noam Chomsky

The Camden 28

The Chicago 7

The Harrisburg 7

All former members of the Weather Underground

All present and former members of the Black Panthers

All present and former members of the SDS

All present and former members of the Earth Liberation Front

All present and former members of the KKK

All former members of the Vietnam War protest group (fake) known as the WInter Soldier Investigation

All former members of the SNCC

All former members of the VVAW

Those who bombed Sterling Hall

Those who attacked the University of Nebraska ROTC detachment

All those who plotted, planned, logisitically supported the attacks on military recruting centers and or personnel during the years 1960-2009

Those who harass recruiters at Columbia, Harvard, Washington State and all other universities.

All former members of Youth Internationale

That should be a good start. And the Democrat party leadership would consist of three of the nicest little old ladies you could ever find.

Because you didn't list "hundreds of people". You named a few individuals and various radical organizations, some comprising many who detested both political parties.

Yeah? THe groups I listed AINT HIDING OUT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUBBA....

Some who later became Republicans.)

THe only two former protestors (Protesting is FINE, going beyond that gets you an ejection notice) inthe Republican party are Pj O';Rourke and David Horowitz. And we treat them like recovering addicts....

But, for the record, do you know for a fact that Mailer spit on or burned the flag? or Jane Fonda?

Sitting on a ZPU-57 and posing for propaganda photos with the NVA is WORSE than spitting on the flag and burning it. Why is she allowed in the emocrat party? Because they DIG IT!!!!!

Mailer himself defamed the troops on many occasions. Perhaps that aint bad for you CAUSE YOUR PARTY DIGS IT BABY!!!!!

As Austin Powers would say "Badmouthing my country and working against it in time of war- This Sort of Thing Is My Bag Baby".

Furthermore, if you were to discover the majority of members of some white supremacist group is voting Republican, will you personally attempt to prevent them from ever voting for another Republican?

Yep!!!!!!

And, by the way, what is your view of Rudolf Hess? Terrible or not?

Terrible. Psychopathically terrible. No equivocation about it.

Hold on, BD...

January 20, 2009 - 23:18 ET by Jer

Yeah? THe groups I listed AINT HIDING OUT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BUBBA....

I assume you're addressing me, BD. So what's with this "BUBBA" business? We have had a number of exchanges over the past year or so, and I have always treated you with the utmost respect, and always addressed you as "BD". So why are you being dismissive all of the sudden? I haven't insulted you. Shall I, since I am your elder, call you something like "Cubby"? I would prefer that we stick to the our regular screen names, unless doing otherwise is good-natured or done for some other valid reason.

Jer

"Shall I, since I am your

January 20, 2009 - 23:23 ET by Blazer

"Shall I, since I am your elder, call you something like "Cubby"? "

I agree BD, "Bubba" was totally outtaline. "Gramps", would have been more appropriate. : )

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."

That's "Gramps, sir, may I

January 20, 2009 - 23:37 ET by Jer

That's "Gramps, sir, may I fetch your cane?" to you, youngster.

Jer

Would you also like your

January 20, 2009 - 23:47 ET by Blazer

Would you also like your shawl and a nice tall glass of Metamucil while I'm up? : )

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."

Well, since I'm freezing my

January 20, 2009 - 23:56 ET by Jer

Well, since I'm freezing my ass off, and haven't had any fiber today, that would be very kind of you.

Jer

However, I am checking out for awhile and raiding the fridge. The missis is gone for a couple of days.

Careful Blaze

January 20, 2009 - 23:49 ET by choselife3x

Gramps'll whack ya in the shins with that thing. And call you vac, er, sonny. ;-O

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Well, chose...

January 21, 2009 - 00:00 ET by Jer

Not if he finds my favorite porno video...Grannies Gone Wild v. 2

Jer

"Grannies Gone Wild v.

January 21, 2009 - 00:05 ET by Blazer

"Grannies Gone Wild v. 2"

Is that anything like "The View" ?

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."

THANK YOU for the laugh, Blaze

January 21, 2009 - 00:11 ET by choselife3x

I needed that. REALLY needed that.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Now that you mention

January 21, 2009 - 00:13 ET by Jer

Now that you mention it...

the one wearing a mask and 8" stiletto heels while wielding a whip does talk dirty with a slight lisp.

Jer

'A slight lisp'

January 21, 2009 - 00:35 ET by choselife3x

A good denture glue should fix that. :-O

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

shuddering

January 21, 2009 - 00:07 ET by choselife3x

I can honestly say that the closest I've ever come to watching porn was when I watched Brian Williams interview Obama.

I'm scarred to this day.......
Night all.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Well then thank God you've

January 21, 2009 - 00:14 ET by Blazer

Well then thank God you've never watched Chrissie spit and drool his way through an interview with a female conservative. It's the closest to watching a barnyard flick you will ever come without actually doing it.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."

Blazer

January 21, 2009 - 00:19 ET by RESTLESS 1

Shouldn't MSNBC pass out rain slickers for the female conservative interviewees on chrissie's show? You know, like they did for the first few rows of Gallagher's shows?

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Actually they should dress

January 21, 2009 - 00:48 ET by Blazer

Actually they should dress them in scubagear.

Getting interviewed by Chrissie, you wouldn't get wetter sitting in the front row at SeaWorld watching Shamu.

"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "

- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.

" The Cake is a lie."

Porn?

January 21, 2009 - 01:05 ET by shawn228

Never heard of it.

He had my vote

Jer surrenders to the

January 21, 2009 - 07:09 ET by BD

Jer surrenders to the "List".

And begins complaining about how he is addressed. Bubba is a term of endearment in the south and since you seemed to be concerned for the supposed southern racists you claim to have left the democrat farty and now find in the Republican party it seemed natural.

For the record, I have not found Southern Republicans to be any more or less Racist than Massachussetts Democrats.

Bubba is a term of

January 21, 2009 - 08:20 ET by Jer

Bubba is a term of endearment in the south...

Yeah, right....Maybe in some instances, BD, but not in all, and certainly not in the context in which you used it.

All you have established is that you know precious little about the South, and even less about good manners.

Stop back by when you do.

Jer

For someone who is

January 22, 2009 - 01:06 ET by BD

For someone who is supposedly open minded, you certainly take offense easily for someone using a regional patronym.

Could it be that you have no answer as to why the Dems allow such vile people to remain in their party. Could it be that the real answer is that way down deep, the Dems FEEL the same way as such scum?

Oh, and I have spent enough time in the south (And north, and east, and west ((not to mention Asia, Europe, Latin America, and elsewhere) to know that what I said would NOT be considered improper.

Just to be sure, I will ask the next four southerners in my unit if it is improper.

In the meantime. Why DONT YOU CHUCK THEM OUT ON THEIR EARS?

Fine BD, I hope you will ask

January 22, 2009 - 01:16 ET by Jer

Fine BD, I hope you will ask them. I trust you'll also provide them with the full verbatim statement, the context of the question, and the manner in which I had addressed you throughout our exchanges.

Jer

You do realize what has

January 22, 2009 - 01:39 ET by BD

You do realize what has happened, right?

I have bayonetted you through the stomache to a tree with logic and historical evaluation - and you are complaining that I did so "While Smiling."

You do realize what has

January 22, 2009 - 02:16 ET by Jer

You do realize what has happened, right?

Sure, I just read another laughably absurd comment posted by you.

Frankly, BD, I hope your military proficiency is superior to the polemical skill you have demonstrated on this thread. To be brutally honest, the latter effort has been an embarrassing, incoherent mess. I know you can do better because I have witnessed such on many previous occasions.

Unfortunately, it this case, it is virtually impossible to respond to you in a constructive manner because your questions have been sloppily framed, over-simplistic, and practically devoid of definitional clarity.

So, you may very well have been flailing your bayonet wildly in the air, but the only wound you have inflicted is the result of shooting yourself in the foot.

Jer

Warning - wiggling on the

January 22, 2009 - 07:42 ET by BD

Warning - wiggling on the bayonet just makes it worse.

Your post is of course nonsense.

I posited that your side of the aisle is naturally unpatriotic and listed groups inherent to your side who have NOT been ejected from your party (SDS, Weathermen, etc) because they are now mainstream in it.

I have repeatedly asked why your party does not publicly force them from the party like the Republican Party ejects unsavory characters from its and your response is to go hyper emotional regarding a I nickname that you supposedly took offense at rather than a postion on why your party does not eject such unsavory characters.

I have used logic and historical background (If you wish I can list the postions the Winter Soldier Investigation claimed during their fraudulent testimony led by John F Kerry etc, but I doubt it would be necessary as facts are already in evidence) in framing my argument but I doubt you will not answer since a logical response is not available to your postion - only emotion.

So, now do you find another word in this post to take offense at? Perhaps I can recommend "unsavory" since it is colorful.

Yes, BD...I can tell you a

January 22, 2009 - 19:09 ET by Jer

Yes, BD...I can tell you a few things which I find either offensive or just plain nonsense:

--That you lack the courtesy to address me by name, even though I extend that courtesy to you. And, in one instance, you refer to me with a derisive, dismissive, and/or condescending term, and then disingenuously and absurdly claim you intended it as a term of "endearment". [You're probably familiar with the "Rule of Holes", BD, but if not, it's a reminder that "when you're in one, stop digging".]

--That you at least indirectly attack my patriotism by claiming that no liberals love their country and referring to "my comrades on the left" [I never have and never would make such a claim about you or conservatives.]

--You make the absolutely moronic statement that the KKK is a leftist organization

--You completely misconstrue, misunderstand, and/or mischaracterize my original response to CKA and then use that mischaracterization as the foundation for your succeeding posts

--You list organizations that are either no longer in existence or whose influence has become negligible, and then reference members whose identity would be impossible to ascertain, or whose current party affiliation is unknown or unknowable

--You indignantly demand action against persons and politicians whose alleged misdeeds occurred decades ago. [It makes as much sense as if I had previously insisted that you call for the impeachment of Dick Cheney because he dodged Viet Nam--joking that he had "other priorities"--which dodging may have resulted in a young patriot in Cheney's place dying in service to his country] This whole exercise is ridiculous.

There may be some serious issues buried in the glob of questions and fallacious premises you have posed which lend themselves to constructive debate, but I'm not going to clean up your mess for you.

Jer

you lack the courtesy to

January 22, 2009 - 22:07 ET by BD

you lack the courtesy to address me by name, even though I extend that courtesy to you. And, in one instance, you refer to me with a derisive, dismissive, and/or condescending term, and then disingenuously and absurdly claim you intended it as a term of "endearment".

Okay, would you have been LESS offended if I had used the following names:

By the jewish conomon of Bubby or Bubala?

Or closer to your name like Jer-Jer?

Or I could allude to you with Kiddo?

That you at least indirectly attack my patriotism by claiming that no liberals love their country and referring to "my comrades on the left"

Not quite. I have said a patriotic party would immediately eject the following:

1. John F. (Winter soldier) Kerry.
2. William Ayers.
3. Bernadine Doehrn
4. Jane Fonda
5. Ted Turner
6. Ron Dellums
7. Jerry Rubin
8. Sam Melville
9. Jane Alpert
10. Noam Chomsky
11. The Camden 28
12. The Chicago 7
13. The Harrisburg 7
14. All former members of the Weather Underground
15. All present and former members of the Black Panthers
16. All present and former members of the SDS
17. All present and former members of the Earth Liberation Front
18. All present and former members of the KKK
19. All former members of the Vietnam War protest group (fake) known as the WInter Soldier Investigation
20. All former members of the SNCC
21. All former members of the VVAW
22. Those who bombed Sterling Hall
23. Those who attacked the University of Nebraska ROTC detachment
24. All those who plotted, planned, logisitically supported the attacks on military recruting centers and or personnel during the years 1960-2009
25. Those who harass recruiters at Columbia, Harvard, Washington State and all other universities.
26. All former members of Youth Internationale

Since you are unwilling or unable to do so, I suspect where there is smoke there is fire.

All you have to do to make this go away is say "You are right, the Democrat Party should eject these people from the party. Of course I would PREFER it if you called for them to be tarred and feathered.

But I doubt you will call for them to be ejected because they are now the center of mass of the democrat party.

You make the absolutely moronic statement that the KKK is a leftist organization

THey are a democrat BASED organization who still has Sheets Byrd in power. Non-debateable.

You completely misconstrue, misunderstand, and/or mischaracterize my original response to CKA and then use that mischaracterization as the foundation for your succeeding posts

Just call for the Democrat party to eject the list above and it can all be over.....

You list organizations that are either no longer in existence or whose influence has become negligible, and then reference members whose identity would be impossible to ascertain, or whose current party affiliation is unknown or unknowable

So just call for them to be ejected. its EASY. See, I will show you how.

If, onthe extremely REMOTE (Virtually nil) chance one of these people is hiding in the Republican party "EJECT THEM and Hang the bugger NOW!!!!!!!!" We don't want them in our party!!!!!

See, its easy and cathertic.

But you will not do it since they actually ARE in the Democrat party and you know it.

You indignantly demand action against persons and politicians whose alleged misdeeds occurred decades ago. [It makes as much sense as if I had previously insisted that you call for the impeachment of Dick Cheney because he dodged Viet Nam--joking that he had "other priorities"--which dodging may have resulted in a young patriot in Cheney's place dying in service to his country] This whole exercise is ridiculous.

THere is a difference. I support Dick Cheney. Perhaps I prefer that he had served in Vietnam, but most did not.

Do you support the groups listed above?

There may be some serious issues buried in the glob of questions and fallacious premises you have posed which lend themselves to constructive debate, but I'm not going to clean up your mess for you.

No mess. You just CANNOT seem to see how easy it is.

Are you RELATED to a member of the groups listed above? Were you a member?

Why can't you condemn them then?

"Okay, would you have been

January 22, 2009 - 23:03 ET by Jer

"Okay, would you have been LESS offended if I had used the following names:

By the jewish conomon of Bubby or Bubala? Or closer to your name like Jer-Jer? Or I could allude to you with Kiddo?"

If you want to make an even bigger ass of yourself, BD, then, by all means, keep digging.

-----------------------------

"That you at least indirectly attack my patriotism by claiming that no liberals love their country and referring to "my comrades on the left" [My words]

"Not quite." [Your response, followed by irrelevant words and phrases.]

My God, man...are you THAT dense? Do I have to lead you by the hand back to your own words you posted on THIS thread within the past few days? Apparently so.

1/19/09 09:38 ET [Responding to Warner's post referencing "Jer"]

BD: I cannot imagine that ANYONE would actually believe liberals love this country....

1/19/09 23:18 ET [Responding to Shawn's post that not every lib hates their country, wants to murder babies and try to take God out (sic) the pledge of allegience.

BD: Boy, if you could prove that it would be news to me and most others.

---------------------------

Look, BD...I respect your military service and your obvious knowledge about military matters and your insights on foreign policy, but you're woefully unprepared for this debate. And, by the way, if you have paid any attention to my posts over the past year and a half, you would know that I have frequently slammed the Democratic "left" and far left extremists.

Jer

Tom&Jer: Ooops, now

January 23, 2009 - 08:30 ET by BD

Tom&Jer:

Ooops, now that you mention it, it IS HARD to imagine a liberal being patriotic.

...ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU WILL NOT ASK FOR THE LIST TO BE CAST OUT OF YOUR PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!

Why can't you ask for that?

"I" am woefully unprepared for this debate? You can't even seem to wish to demand the removal of the Weathermen from your party? And "I" am unprepared for a debate?

All you have to do is say "Yes, BD, those on the list who are now the leaders of my party should be cast out." And it will all end.

WHY won't you do that?

Since it has been twenty

January 24, 2009 - 07:42 ET by BD

Since it has been twenty four hours and I am the only one staning on the field of battle, the only thing for it is to declare victory...

What a shame Jer could not call for the Democrat party to cast the villains out of the party.

Sorry to disappoint, BD...

January 24, 2009 - 08:13 ET by Jer

Sorry to disappoint, BD...

I've moved on to seize more meaningful turf. You can stand there if you wish, or strut alone among the deserted ramparts of your defenseless, useless Maginot Line...beat your chest, bellow in the wind, and bask in your grand delusions of victory. But, ultimately you were just a minor annoyance.

Jer

Thank you for admitting my

January 24, 2009 - 08:19 ET by BD

Thank you for admitting my victory. Or would you rather explain why you will not call for the list to be cast out?

If not, my victory is acheived.

admitting your victory? Oh,

January 24, 2009 - 09:01 ET by Jer

admitting your victory? Oh, well, more evidence of delusion. Just like the French and the Maginot Line, you frantically fire the big guns, but you're easily outflanked.

Oh, hell, BD, I like you even if you can't bring yourself to call me Jer. But, again, the way you scattergun your "list" and then demand each and every person, group member, past or present, etc. be "cast out" just doesn't lend itself to the type of response you're seeking. I'm not going to go through it one by one and say "okay, he's in, but she's out, ten members of this group are out, and twenty are in. If this person were once a member, he's out, but if he's no longer a member he's in, or the members who were once radicals and detested mainstream Democrats, but are now Democrats are out, but the ones who became Republicans are in, or this organization is defunct but if I can locate the ex-members and ascertain their current politics...and on and on ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

If Robert Byrd is still a member of the KKK, I would banish him from the Senate and the Democratic party in a flash. If he is not a member, it gets a little dodgy. What are his current views? That's heading into dangerous territory when elected officals start being expelled for perceived beliefs. I don't condone every act of Kerry after his return from Viet Nam, but, no, there is no way I would support his ejection from the Senate or the Democratic party based on that objectionable behavior.

Did you take any measures to oust ex-Dixiecrat presidential candidate, Strom Thurmond? If you have copies of any letters you wrote demanding same, I will give you my e-mail address so you can forward them to me. [Obviously, I'm not serious about that.] There are far right-wing persons and extremist groups that I know you abhor and reject, just as there are far left-wing persons and extremist groups which I abhor and reject. But the way you have set this up is just an unworkable construct.

Jer

Just like the French and

January 24, 2009 - 18:30 ET by BD

Just like the French and the Maginot Line, you frantically fire the big guns, but you're easily outflanked.

Right.....(Sarc)

But, again, the way you scattergun your "list" and then demand each and every person, group member, past or present, etc. be "cast out" just doesn't lend itself to the type of response you're seeking.

I think the list is fairly concise. If you are not willing to throw out a member of the Weather Underground, then WHO will you be willing to?

If you are not willing to eject John F Kerry for the destructive actions followed by his hypocrisy, who can you eject?

I fear you fall into the trap of most liberals. That being you cannot bring your self to condemn someone who is truly evil, but someone who has failings and is a conservative can be whipped repetitively as long as it is not terribly bad.

See most death penalty cases (Mumia Abu Jamal comes to mind).

If Robert Byrd is still a member of the KKK, I would banish him from the Senate and the Democratic party in a flash.

So the Nazi's in hiding in SOuth America are fair game since they have not really been true Nazi's since the 1940's?

How about the Nazi's who served as doctors in smal towns in Argentina and occasionally did good works? DO they now get a pass?

What are his current views?

Ohhhhhhhh..... So its his VIEWS? As long as he follows liberal orthodoxy he is back in the game?

Let me think. Can I thus rehabilitate William Calley, CPT Medina, et al as long as THEIR VIEWS now match mine?

Did you take any measures to oust ex-Dixiecrat presidential candidate, Strom Thurmond?

I did not. I am unaware of any attempts by Strom Thurmond to harm his own country in time of war. In fact, if memory serves he was a paratrooper in the 101st Airborne in time of war. I recall no time in which he returned to the US and demanded the US pull out of Europe, seek war crimes tribunals for his fellow troops, then seek to meet the Nazi's in a neutral country to plot our removal of combat troops.

Hardly REMOTELY one par with anyone on the list as I presented.

IF Strom THurmond actively worked to harm his country - then YES, I will call for him to be retroactively ejected from the party.

There are far right-wing persons and extremist groups that I know you abhor and reject, just as there are far left-wing persons and extremist groups which I abhor and reject.

Please presnte me a list of such persons with their supposed crimes against the US. I will then review it and call for each Republican who is unsuitable to be removed from our party.

I gotta go with Jer on this one

January 19, 2009 - 21:34 ET by Blonde

It seems as though we've drawn the line so finely and so meanly that we can't respect those on the other side.

It's as if...I'm on the right, Jer's on the left, ergo sum, we're enemies because we're polar opposites. I don't believe that to be the case.

Black, white, or gray?

There's moonbat left, middle left, centrist, right, and extreme right. I'd argue that most of us here fall to the right side of the scale, but not to the far, far right....and just because Jer is to the left of us, shouldn't cause us to lump him in with the left wing loons like Cindy Sheehan & the Code Pinkers.

I, personally, can't imagine Jer ever spitting on the flag, or doing anything so ungentlemanly as disrespecting our troops. Further, it does us all a grave disservice to paint those in the center and even a little further left with that broad, pink brush.

Okay....that's it, I'm not advocating any "reaching across the aisle"....but I'd hope we can civilly discuss why it is we're conservatives....but respect those here who respect us back.

Blonde...

January 19, 2009 - 21:40 ET by Jer

Thank you very much for that, Blonde.

Jer

De nada

January 19, 2009 - 21:45 ET by Blonde

You're welcome, Jer.

I think we're just all on edge due to the 24/7 Obama ick fest.

Blonde... If it's any

January 19, 2009 - 22:29 ET by Jer

Blonde...

If it's any comfort, I'm sick of the ick, too.

Jer

When will they be stopped??

January 19, 2009 - 03:12 ET by onelove4891

I am not American, but it should always be cool to fly your nations flag with pride. The left in this country disgust me with their lack of patriotism, and the amazing thing is they don't even realise how ridiculous their own comments are!!

now they've REALLY confused me!

January 19, 2009 - 03:27 ET by i was just thinking

"...before the country's marriage to its new president undergoes the usual souring, ..."

The usual souring? How is this possible? I thought we were going to all be one, big, happy family in this country that we can once again be proud of. Haven't they spent the past year telling us how Obama is not the "usual" president? How could anyone possibly go sour on the Change That We Have Been Waiting For?!?

Could it be that, in spite of all of the Kumbaya-ing and lofty rhetoric, the MSM knows that 48% of this country didn't want this man as its leader? Could they possibly know that he is really only human? Sounds like the dumbing down of expectations to me.

These morons are beyond

January 19, 2009 - 04:49 ET by Slickster

These morons are beyond belief. The left can pound sand.

WASHINGTON is suddenly hip

January 19, 2009 - 05:09 ET by MidAmerica

WASHINGTON is suddenly hip again, infused with the heady double-barreled combination of a new crowd of idealistic young political worker bees, who actually believe they can change the world, and the arrival of America's first black president.

So evidently this country wouldn't be in such bad condition had we realized earlier that our problems could best be fixed by a person with dark skin. I guess we were confused by the fact that cities with black mayors didn't do any better than cities with white mayors and by the fact that the countries of Africa seem to have a number of problems that they still need to work out.

Good point. I wonder if we

January 19, 2009 - 09:50 ET by Seashell

Good point. I wonder if we would be experiencing this "hipness" if Hillary had been elected. Maybe some, but nothing like what what Obama is generating. Almost reeks of racism to me.

Didn't do any 'better'

January 19, 2009 - 10:28 ET by choselife3x

You're being charitable.

In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.

Since BARRKY was/is a CITIZEN of the WORLD ...

January 19, 2009 - 06:42 ET by Jayke

... I thought I'd see more Kenyan and Indonesian flags flying too.

Cool to Wave the Stars and Stripes...

January 19, 2009 - 06:57 ET by Red Jeep

Ok, since the MSM wants to compare BO to Lincoln and those times is it ok to wave the Stars and Bars too? That flag and the Battle Flag of the Confederacy were the flags of the Democrat Party for many years. You know to keep a historical perspective and all that...

As every day

January 19, 2009 - 07:18 ET by Rowane

Tomorrow I'll be flying my flag, as I do every day, with one small difference-I'll be flying it at half-mast in mourning for the death of our great nation.

I'd be pretty happy too...

January 19, 2009 - 07:22 ET by Prester John

...if my enemy surrendered without firing a shot.

Interesting... but I think

January 19, 2009 - 07:36 ET by BKeyser

Interesting... but I think you spelled "Star" with one too many esses... The only flag the NYT would rally around is this one.

Racial Discrimination

January 19, 2009 - 08:04 ET by nadadhimmi

And why is it cool to wave the flag NOW, but not 3 months ago? Why did my 5th grade son come home from school with the disturbing comment: "black people are special, they're better"? Because of reverse racial discrimination, pure and simple. My son was TAUGHT that horseshit by racist teachers, all of them white. It used to be taught that all were created equal. NO MORE. Once you become sensitized to this racial bias shit, you discover it's pervasive, and sanctioned and promulgated by the power structure. If you're not a "minority", your job is to shut the f#ck up, apologize for your race, and surrender your hard EARNED money to those that do not work. Do you understand what it's like to live in America today?

That is disturbing

January 19, 2009 - 10:09 ET by Blonde

Just like that video of the teacher in SC chastising one of her students for supporting McCain, saying the little girl's father was going to die in a war because of McCain.

I think I'd skip the usual teacher, principal stuff...and go straight to the School Board, County Commission, etc. with that complaint.

"our jets" who will they get to fly them?

January 19, 2009 - 10:16 ET by tonemeister

the latest news is that potus elect is going to jettison "don't ask don't tell." and allow openly gay service members to serve. of course if he gets too much pushback he'll cave, throw whoever came up with the idea under the bus. so what kind of curtians look good in an f-15? just one more insult to the people who fought and died so that obama and his ilk can have there naive notions of patroitism.

BARRKY is NOT "the first black president" because he is ...

January 19, 2009 - 10:28 ET by Jayke

... half white. Can someone please remind the press of his HALF WHITENESS.

The Magic Mulatto.

January 19, 2009 - 10:36 ET by Red Jeep

The Magic Mulatto.

If being half black makes

January 19, 2009 - 12:34 ET by Kevroy

If being half black makes you black, then being half white makes you white.

Jayke, we won't hear about Dear Leader's half-whiteness...

January 19, 2009 - 19:50 ET by R D Helm

...until the MSM can no-longer blame his incompetence on GWB.

Then it will all get blamed on his white side.

-Dave

“Them that’s going get on the wagon. Them that ain’t get out of the way.” -While there is still time.

LOL Dave, Contrariwise,

January 19, 2009 - 19:57 ET by Jer

LOL Dave,

Contrariwise, do you think the conservative media will pick a side to commend for any of his successes?

Jer

why?

January 19, 2009 - 20:02 ET by candance

Why do we have to choose one side or the other?

Dr. King's dream is *not* fulfilled as long as skin color means as much as character. We're not color blind, we're just color sensitive, and that's the opposite of what Dr. King intended.

I'm a typical white person.

candance... I was joking

January 19, 2009 - 22:33 ET by Jer

candance...

I was joking with Dave, but, for the record, I agree with you. Hopefully, some day we'll be blessed with a society that is at least close to being truly color-blind.

Jer

We're Outta Here..Libs to Bush

January 19, 2009 - 10:48 ET by klchadwick

During the 2004 elections I lost track of how many times I heard the phrase 'If Bush wins, I'm moving to Canada', come out of the mouth of liberals. It was even a runing joke at one point after the elections with bumper stickers proclaiming 'You said you were moving to Canada' on the cars of many Conservatives after the election.

How many Conservatives made the statement 'If Obama wins, I'm moving to Canada'? I can't remember hearing it...as a matter of fact my husband and I joked that at least we weren't threatening to flee OUR country no matter who won the election. This is OUR country too and we love and serve it. The President isn't the deciding factor in our love for America, our Patriotism is and that can't be taken away.

Thanks

January 19, 2009 - 10:57 ET by Maideneer

On this the last full day of GWB's service, I say thank you. America won't be the same for a while...

I grew up in the '60s and

January 19, 2009 - 11:45 ET by RR GOP

I grew up in the '60s and '70s. The Left showing any respect towards the Flag has yet to be seen by myself.

To them it is a symbol of racism and imperialism.

But, with the right guy in charge it could stand for Marxism, which to them is a good thing.

Still, deep down inside the Dkos types hate it anyway, because, after all, national borders keep people apart (along with race, religion, languages, governments, the police, etc.) so all of this must be done away with in order to realize the World Collective.

One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.

Excellent, Mr Huston. I enjoyed ...

January 19, 2009 - 13:21 ET by SentryDan

Excellent, Mr Huston. I enjoyed your article.

I wonder if Obama knows what the prime directive of the U.S. Government is? I hear all his talk about social this and social that and that the U.S. Constitution is a living, breathing document (those of us who are in touch with reality know it isn't) that can be change at will for the social betterment of the masses but I believe that Obama is totally clueless.

Obama's wife said it best as far as how the liberals feel about the subject when her husband won the democratic nomination, "This is the first time I have felt proud to be an American." My question is, "Would she have felt just as proud had the republicans nominated a black man and the democrats nominated Hillary?" IMHO, is doubt it.

And if Obama thinks that by going to visit the troops, whether in the hospital or dining hall (these were for photo ops), that that shows his patriotism he is sadly mistaken. Near as I can tell, the man has no honor and doesn't know the meaning of the word "sacrifice", IMHO.

Remember folks, Freedom isn't Free. It was bought with the blood and sacrifice of the men and women who are serving and who have served in the U.S. Armed Forces.

For those who fought for it, Freedom has a flavor that the protected will never know.

Which flag do they

January 19, 2009 - 15:09 ET by lnthomp

Which flag do they mean:

The one with the peace sign in place of the stars?

The one with rainbow-colored stripes?

A flag with Che superimposed on the stripes?

I guess I'll just have to fly my standard red-white-and blue Grand Old Flag, like I always have done, and let them stew over it when they think it isn't cool again in a few years.

Lee T. USN(ret)

This too shall pass.

I recognize your right to believe, without ridicule, that there is no God. I do not recognize any right for you to ridicule my belief in God.

Now Cool..............

January 19, 2009 - 15:11 ET by CWells

In case everyone forgot, this is just a re-run of the 1st Clinton Inaug. All the Hollywood dupes came out then with their 'its our country again' bs; the mediacs were all happy that abortion would besafe, etc., etc. Its just like Hollywood movies......more remakes of oldie/goodies due to lack of any brain power.