The Associated Press is classy, indeed. They can't even keep sniping at Sarah Palin out of a story announcing the blessed birth of her grandson. Ah, but wait, it gets even more annoying because not only did the AP snipe at Palin in its first birth announcement story, once called on it the AP went back twice to rearrange the piece rewriting history to make it seem as if they never sniped at her in the first place.
Initially, the AP attacked Palin in its very first paragraph saying that daughter Bristol's pregnancy was the thing that caused Palin's candidacy to "go downhill." At 7:20 PM the AP gave us this: (Bold my emphasis)
ANCHORAGE — The teenage daughter of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, whose quest for the vice presidency began to go downhill the day she announced the pregnancy, has given birth to a son, a magazine reported Monday. Bristol Palin, 18, gave birth to Tripp Easton Mitchell Johnston on Sunday, People magazine reported online. He weighed 7 pounds, 4 ounces. Colleen Jones, the sister of Bristol's grandmother, told the magazine that "the baby is fine and Bristol is doing well."
Downhill? The AP is saying that the daughter's pregnancy is what caused everything to flop? Then, why did Palin's acceptance speech -- a speech that happened days after the pregnancy announcement -- get as many viewers on TV as Obama's historic acceptance speech? Sure it was a momentary controversy, but it had practically no affect on the candidacy.
But, apparently the AP thought better of the "downhill" verbiage. A little later, the AP rewrote the first paragraph. So, at 9:28 PM, the AP altered it to this: (My bold again)
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - The teenage daughter of former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has given birth to a son months after the announcement of her pregnancy became one of the first dark clouds to swirl over the Alaska governor's candidacy.
Not much better, is it?
Yet, not but a short time after the first rewrite, the AP got rid of the downturn point altogether and this was the result:
ANCHORAGE, Alaska – The daughter of former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has given birth to a son, a magazine reported Monday.
That's quite a turn around. We start the reporting with the harsh "downhill" comment, next we see it softened to "dark clouds" swirling, and lastly we don't see any value judgement at all.
Now THAT'S some example of the evolution of a report, isn't it?
(H/T NewsBuster reader Geoffrey Wynn)
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Palin obviously doesn't know how to Parent
December 30, 2008 - 01:56 ET by PopularTechHer daughter's pregnancy clearly shows that Palin can't even manage her own family. This issue more than any other made many not vote for her. Pot smokers usually turn out to be bad parents. Is Sarah Palin a bad person? No but is she a good choice for VP or POTUS? No. The hypocrissy on this issue from the far-right is embarrassing and shows how people will put partisan politics above integrity.
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Spoken like a man who isn't
December 30, 2008 - 01:58 ET by Warner Todd HustonSpoken like a man who isn't married, has little family, and has no kids.
Conservatives for Teenage Pregnancy
December 30, 2008 - 02:09 ET by PopularTechWarner, I take it you are part of the conservatives for teenage pregnancy movement.
And you are wrong on those issues.
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PopTech, don't you have some hapless taxpayers to audit?
December 30, 2008 - 02:15 ET by R D HelmI mean, given the fact that you apparently believe the IRS is such an integral part of this country and all....
-Dave
RD don't you have someone else to lie about?
December 30, 2008 - 02:17 ET by PopularTechNot supporting the idiotic unFairTax does not make one a supporter of the IRS but since you are unable to win any converts on the idiotic unFairTax you choose to spread lies about those who don't support it.
Fair Tax, Flawed Tax (The Wall Street Journal)
Just how Fair is the 'FairTax'? (Money Magazine)
The Fair Tax Fraud (Ludwig von Mises Institute)
There is No Such Thing as a Fair Tax (Ludwig von Mises Institute)
Unspinning the FairTax (FactCheck.org)
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PT,
December 30, 2008 - 02:25 ET by R D HelmGet back to me when you have bothered to actually READ the FT plan, and not the BS written by people who have a financial interest in the continuation of the current tax system.
-Dave
Are Prebate Checks a part of the Plan?
December 30, 2008 - 02:28 ET by PopularTechAnswer the question because I don't support government welfare.
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PT
December 30, 2008 - 03:50 ET by cocodrieThe links you give for the fair tax are opinion pieces by freelance writers and by Fact Check.org which is owned by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Hardly authoritative sources on the subject. Opinions are like ---------, everyone has one.
I have plenty of links on the unFair Tax
December 30, 2008 - 04:04 ET by PopularTechFair Tax, Flawed Tax (The Wall Street Journal)
Just how Fair is the 'FairTax'? (Money Magazine)
The Fair Tax Fraud (Ludwig von Mises Institute)
There is No Such Thing as a Fair Tax (Ludwig von Mises Institute)
Unspinning the FairTax (FactCheck.org)
Answers for the FairTax Faction (Townhall)
Is Making Taxes “Fair” the Answer? (The New American)
ScareTax, Not FairTax (The New York Sun)
The Fair Tax and its big break for the $200,000-plus crowd (Time)
The Truth about Neal Boortz’s Poorly-Named “FairTax" Plan (Tennesseans for Fair Taxation)
Un-'FairTax' (The Washington Post)
Fair Tax, Foul Politic (National Review Online)
Huck's Daft Tax Plan (National Review Online)
Is the Huckabee "Fair Tax" Proposal Really Fair? (Pajamas Media)
You can ignore then or read them, that is up to you. But the unFair Tax will make everyday items so expensive that low income people will require government welfare (prebate) checks to be able to afford anything. I don't consider that progress. I prefer capitalism.
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Fair tax
December 30, 2008 - 04:25 ET by cocodrieWhile I don't particularly like the idea of the fair tax, your links are all the products of the same biased writers and don't appeal to me.
NRO + WSJ = Biased?
December 30, 2008 - 08:24 ET by PopularTechI guess if you are a liberal! LMAO!!!
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Myself...
December 30, 2008 - 04:04 ET by Warner Todd HustonI am also against the FairTax. I am, however, for a flat tax. Get a flat tax and eliminate the IRS. I think the FairTax will end up giving us a national sales tax piled neatly on top of the graduated income tax. I also think a national sales tax will make big ticket items impossible for lower income folks to ever afford. So, refrigs., stoves, cars, say good bye to THOSE things being bought!
31% sales taxes? No thanks
December 30, 2008 - 12:03 ET by UnsaneWarner, this is a BIG reason I am against the Unfair Tax (if you HAVE to call your tax proposal "fair", it probably isn't fair at all). In TX we already pay an 8% sales tax in most places (some cities and towns may add or subtract from the total, depending on various factors). With the 23% sales tax the national sales tax proponents want, I shut my wallet up tight because I would really rather not pay a 31% tax just to buy something. I suspect that others will do the same. (The Laffer Curve applies to sales taxes too!)
I thought the Canadian GST/PST was horrendous at 15% total (depending on the province)!
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Yeah, I would agree that a
December 30, 2008 - 13:04 ET by TD in FLYeah, I would agree that a 31% sales tax would be just too much ... right? To make it more attractive, they should probably offset that by eliminating payroll taxes, capital gains taxes, estate taxes, etc. Oh wait, the FairTax does that!
For those who do not support the FairTax, have you ever bothered to read it?
Yes please read up on the UnFair Tax
December 30, 2008 - 13:46 ET by PopularTechFair Tax, Flawed Tax (The Wall Street Journal)
Fair Tax, Foul Politic (National Review Online)
Huck's Daft Tax Plan (National Review Online)
Is Making Taxes "Fair" the Answer? (The New American)
Just how Fair is the 'FairTax'? (Money Magazine)
ScareTax, Not FairTax (The New York Sun)
The Consumption Tax: A Critique (Murray N. Rothbard, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Economics)
The Fair Tax Fraud (Ludwig von Mises Institute)
There is No Such Thing as a Fair Tax (Ludwig von Mises Institute)
The Fraudulent Tax (Ludwig von Mises Institute)
There Is Still No Such Thing As a Fair Tax (Ludwig von Mises Institute)
The Truth about Neal Boortz’s Poorly-Named “FairTax" Plan (Tennesseans for Fair Taxation)
Un-'FairTax' (The Washington Post)
Unspinning the FairTax (FactCheck.org)
Why the FairTax Won’t Work (PDF) (Tax Analysts)
It is all there and then some.
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The Unfair Tax
December 30, 2008 - 17:16 ET by UnsaneWhy is it that the religious devotees of the Unfair Tax merely assume that those who oppose it haven't read it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is supposed to replace capital gains taxes, income taxes, blah blah blah. But this is what Unfair Tax Worshippers forget:
1) One of the biggest reasons you have a sales tax is to cut consumption. Why they are so desperate to slit the throats of the consumers of this country, and in so doing, attack the core of the GDP, I have no idea.
2) Read closely: IF YOU HAVE TO CALL YOUR TAX PROPOSAL "FAIR", THERE IS A 99.99999999999999% CHANCE IS IS NOT REMOTELY FAIR. Which leads to point #3:
3) Sales taxes disproportionately hurt those with the least ability to pay. Sales taxes are the most regressive taxes we have.
4) You simply aren't going to get rid of the IRS. You can't. Hence, MY idea - via the Steve Forbes idea, is to render it a shell of its former self, with no tax courts, regional offices, or other such crap. If we had a 17% across the board income tax with no deductions, credits or loopholes, you could have an IRS with less than 100 people. Perhaps even less than 50.
5) Yeah, the states are supposed tpo do the federal government's dirty work under this idea. Well, what of AK and NH, two states I can think of that don't have a sales tax at all? What, are they going to put together an apparatus for sales tax collection FOR FREE? Are the other 48 states going to just do the federal government's dirty work FOR FREE?
6) If you think the collection of income taxes are oppressive, you haven't seen what happens to businesses that don't pay their sales taxes.
7) When people stop spending money when they have to pay 8% to the state and 23% to the feds everytime they buy something, what will happen when revenue falls short of what is expected because people are buying less, or because people are selling more and more to each other in order to get around the tax?
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WTH... I also am one who
December 30, 2008 - 17:26 ET by bigtimerWTH...
I also am one who is for a flat tax.
Now if only once they set the rates they make it a law congress-critters cannot EVER go in and raise it...
Yeah right...when pigs fly.
One can hope though...getting rid of the IRS would in more ways that one be PRICELESS.
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Pop Why do
December 30, 2008 - 02:17 ET by cocodriePop Why do conservatives forgive the sins of their children and love them and help them? Why do liberals hastily kill the "mistake" and reject their children rather than forgive?
Why do Social Conservatives have only one issue?
December 30, 2008 - 02:19 ET by PopularTechI don't really care why social conservatives are so obsessed about abortion. IT has nothing to with Palin being a bad parent though I am sure using some twisted logic you believe this issue supports you one issue.
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PoP
December 30, 2008 - 02:23 ET by cocodriePoP you are the one who keeps bringing up the pregnancy because of your obsession with Palin bashing.
I am just not an advocate of Teenage Pregnancy
December 30, 2008 - 02:29 ET by PopularTechUnlike the new conservative movement here for teenage pregnancy, I don't support it. You obviously do not see the hypocrissy.
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I was initially going to
December 30, 2008 - 10:06 ET by lotrI was initially going to chastise the liberal press when I saw this blog entry, but I was immediately distracted by this thread at the top.
PopTech is apparently unaware that his sentiments on this issue are not what we would call pro-life. Implicit here is the consideration that a grandchild is somehow a terrible mistake.
While it may have been an unplanned and ill-timed pregnancy, Palin's family has demonstrated precisely the opposite of what is being claimed the liberal press, and sadly, PopTech. The Palins, in fact, have demonstrated their complete integrity and humility in this matter. More integrity, in fact, than if the girl had not gotten pregnant and if they then adopted a self-righteous attitude about it.
Any one of us can have a "weak moment." Conservatives are ever bit as vulnerable as liberals when it comes to sex drive. The difference is that the Palins aren't out self-righteously preaching that the fornication of their daughter was a deserved good to be pursued. Another difference is that they simply didn't get the abortion to cover it up, something that would've made total political sense (this entire thread being evidence of that simple fact), and selling their soul in the process. It is precisely this anti-child sentiment that has led to the scourge of abortion.
PopTech, we understand that you don't like Gov. Palin. You may even have some legitimate reasons for this, but sorry, I've gotta disagree on this one.
And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. -- Edgar Allan Poe
Stop with the Stupid Abortion Argument Please!
December 30, 2008 - 10:26 ET by PopularTechI have yet to bring up abortion, yet it has been brought up a thousand times by every social con with the one track mind. Interesting how the one track mind collective works.
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PT
December 30, 2008 - 13:37 ET by lotrPT, I realize that your are trying to respond to several postings at a time, but please, I did not say that you were arguing about abortion, nor did I mean to suggest that you yourself are pro-abortion. What I was trying to point out is that the sentiments of the liberal press (and, sadly, you), that somehow a pregnant teenaged daughter reflects poorly on Gov. Palin because pregnancy is bad, this sentiment is simply not pro-life. Note that when I say "pro-life" I do not mean the loaded "anti-abortion rights" left-wing moniker -- I mean "pro-life" -- that human life is something to celebrate and protect. Abortion is merely the consequence of a mentality taken to its logical conclusion -- that pregnancy is a bad thing, that it reflects poorly on the pregnant woman/family.
This is not advocating a "pro-teenage pregnancy" platform (as you have accused). Rather than try to re-argue my point above, I will give an analogy. Pres. Bush, to my understanding, used to have an alcohol problem, and was self-destructive. I would suspect he made a lot of bad choices in his past. The press even tried to slander him on this, as they are Gov. Palin now. What is far more important and revealing, however, and what you and the press seem to miss, is how they coped and dealt with them afterward. By overcoming his reckless past, through some blood, sweat and tears, Bush demonstrated strength, not weakness.
Palin's daughter made a mistake (committing a sin) in having pre-marital sex (note I did not say "unprotected" -- for all we know, they may have tried using a condom unsuccessfully -- condoms have a high failure rate, FYI). No one, including Palin, is condoning fornication. But it happened, and the child, the natural product of sexual relations, should not now be considered a mistake. They are handling it in the most dignified way imaginable. It is their response that demonstrates to me just the opposite of what you say -- that they have humility, strength and integrity.
And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. -- Edgar Allan Poe
Palin lacks parental skills
December 30, 2008 - 13:50 ET by PopularTechA kid getting drunk at a party and your teenage daughter getting pregnant are two very different things. This sort of bad parenting is not what the Republican party needs and it is not the sort of thing teenagers need to see on the national stage. We have so many BETTER choices then this ridiculous obsession with Palin to choose from. It is getting embarrassing.
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'A kid getting drunk at a party,
December 30, 2008 - 14:10 ET by choselife3xAnd your daughter getting pregnant are two very different things'.
Actually, those very frequently coincide.
Think before you hit the 'post' button.
But hey, if they wait until they're 20 to get drunk and pregnant then it's all cool, right?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Getting Drunk is not the same thing
December 30, 2008 - 20:55 ET by PopularTechBut yes one can follow the other, that does not change what I originally said nor did I ever say anything about 20 or the rest of your nonsense.
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true Poppy
December 30, 2008 - 21:04 ET by botgyou said nothing about 20, you said entering college at 18 was your magic age.
----- Radical Liberal
Nothing magical about legally becoming an adult
December 30, 2008 - 21:14 ET by PopularTechAnd no longer under you parents care.
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you may not care for your
December 30, 2008 - 21:18 ET by botgyou may not care for your children after they turn 18, you probably only care for how they reflect on you anyway.
----- Radical Liberal
BINGO Brucie Baby!!!
December 30, 2008 - 21:32 ET by choselife3xThat loud noise was Bruce hitting that obnoxious nail on the head. We would normally exhibit concern at this point for the victim's future cognitive ability, but unfortunately the poor b@stard is now UNPopularTech.
Let us now bow our heads in a moment of silence while UNPop struggles to recover.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
He first needs to read
December 30, 2008 - 21:39 ET by Clear thinkerHe first needs to read this... PHS - Palin Hatred Syndrome
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
More like you have PMS
December 31, 2008 - 00:12 ET by PopularTech'Palin Messiah Syndrome'
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You're repeating yourself
December 31, 2008 - 00:24 ET by Free StinkerYou're repeating yourself now.
nice one
December 31, 2008 - 13:30 ET by lotrHey, I'm willing to acknowledge wit when I see it.
But I still disagree. Her daughter's moment of weakness has absolutely no bearing on her parenting skills, which in turn has no bearing on her political skills.
And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. -- Edgar Allan Poe
Hey, rabid anti-Palin control freak abstinence denier
December 30, 2008 - 21:17 ET by choselife3xYou have repeatedly said your problem is specifically with 'teenage' sex/ pregnancy. 20 is no longer a teenager.
My points have been extrapolations of your points. Don't call them nonsense unless you want to call your points nonsense.
Lighten up, I'm no rabid Palin fan. I just take issue with you trying to use the 'sins of the children' to vilify the parents.
If you want to get nasty with someone, I'm not interested. Go see if Giles can come out to play.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
choselife3x
December 30, 2008 - 22:49 ET by sherylsimsCheck your PM's
PT
December 30, 2008 - 14:12 ET by cocodrieSarah's daughter committed a sin and Sarah forgave her and loved her anyway.
Your posts indicate to me that you would throw your daughter under the bus if she committed a sin. Would you throw her under the bus?
No
December 30, 2008 - 21:03 ET by PopularTechBut I would want little to do with the stupidity.
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Little to do with it?
December 30, 2008 - 21:59 ET by general companyBut I would want little to do with the stupidity.
You would have nothing to do with it, practicly the definition of throwing one under the bus.
You are hardly perfect PT.
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PT
December 30, 2008 - 11:49 ET by jistincaseMan, I bet if you have children that it is hell in your household. You cannot control everything that a child does unless you shackle them to a chair. They were given independent thoughts of their own and no matter how much you try to manipulate them all you can do is try to teach them what is right and wrong and hope for the best. Yes it was unfortunate that she decided to engage in risky behavior and now has to grow up with her child but no amount of preaching or surveillance is going to prevent this from sometimes happening. I guess there is no forgiveness in your heart for teenagers that make mistakes. You better watch out how you spout off because these kind of things always come back to bite you in the back end and wind up making you look like the biggest fool alive.
Let me get this straight...
December 30, 2008 - 12:06 ET by Unsanejistincase - Are you saying that children will do what they do no matter what and that the only thing a parent can hope to do is to TEACH them????
I am so thankful I am sitting in my chair from that revelation!!! :-)
(But then, what the hell do I know? I have only seen parenting from the angles of being a son and an uncle...)
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Good Parenting can prevent this from happening
December 30, 2008 - 13:53 ET by PopularTechUnless of course your child is stupid and then you should be aware of this ahead of time. I have little forgiveness for stupid people who make stupid mistakes. Dumb is dumb.
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PT... As you well know, I
December 30, 2008 - 14:26 ET by bigtimerPT...
As you well know, I have my problems with Palin, as I have stated before, but this sure as heck isn't one of them.
I wonder just how many of us here are products of teen-agers having sex before marriage, plus the grandparents were the finest of people that ever were put on this planet.
Get a grip friend, you cannot control all that goes on with your children all the time...ever...
Until you have some of your own it isn't the best idea to criticize other people who have done their best...walk a mile in their shoes...shite happens in life...period.
Give it a rest would you... please?
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Bad Parenting is a big problem
December 30, 2008 - 21:09 ET by PopularTechAgain I don't care about her having sex before marriage, I care that she is pregnant as a teenager (not 18). I do have kids as I have repeated. I am not an advocate for teenage pregnancy so I can't give it a rest.
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Whatever PT... No one is
December 30, 2008 - 21:27 ET by bigtimerWhatever PT...
No one is an advocate for teen pregnancy.
We all know your views very well.
Do you not know when to just move on from this subject, no matter how much you disagree or get baited.
You made you point of view loud and clear...let it go now.
Please.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
PopTech is arguing under
December 31, 2008 - 13:51 ET by lotrPopTech is arguing under the false assumption that contraception, like duct tape, is the answer to the world's problems. Distilling his line of argument, he is first claiming that Gov. Palin is a poor parent, and then extrapolating that she would then make a poor politician. This first argument is flawed, as parenting skills do not necessarily correlate with political skills, and vice versa.
However, more flawed is the basis of the premise, namely that Gov. Palin is a poor parent because she has a pregnant daughter. It's not the daughter's having pre-marital sex that's the problem, mind you, but rather her non-use of contraception, as evidenced by her getting pregnant. Incidentally, this is also the new-liberal POV.
Reality check: There is no form of contraception that has a 100% success rate. Condoms, presumably the most common form of contraception out of wedlock, also relied upon as an STD barrier, are notoriously unreliable, statistically speaking. Even assuming the perfect 98% success rate (i.e., when used perfectly, which is not likely for two teenagers), that is still dismal, if you ask me. If I thought about flying and was told that airline jets have a 98% success rate, I would abstain from the plane, and take the train [spoken with a Jackie Chiles accent].
Think about it.
And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. -- Edgar Allan Poe
in addition...
December 30, 2008 - 12:45 ET by buzzkill3rFrom the tone of PopTech's comment, Its obvious that he believes that if someone is 'educated' on a topic then they will flawlessly execute whatever programming they have recieved (free will be damned) and any failure of the educated is to be laid at the feet of the educator.
I refuse to believe that he is so ignorant of life as to actually believe the bs that he is spewing out, but lets pretend for a second that he does. Where exactly did Sarah Palin do wrong in PopTech's book?
From his comments further down he believes that parents should abstain from teaching about abstinance. THAT kind of programming just doesn't work apparently. I think PopTech's beef is that he believes that Sarah Palin should have told her daughter: "unmarried teenage sex is ok if you use birth control" after which her daughter would have gleefully used it at the first opportunity.
PopTech's polyannish view of birth control (and most likely abortion... oops single issue.. I forgot) is matched only by his disdain for the most obvious, timeless and foolproof method of preventing out-of-wedlock pregnancy and venerial disease: not having sex before you are married. (shocking, I know)
This was practiced by virtually all civilized people throughout the world until around the middle of the last century and it seemed to work pretty darn well until liberals in the 60's decided that they wanted sex without consequences. It was only then that teenage pregnancy became a huge problem. (ironic isn't it?)
Made up fantasies
December 30, 2008 - 13:57 ET by PopularTechI was mocking those who teach abstinance (apparently it doesn't work). I made no comments advocating teenage sex.
Isn't it ironic that the right-wing messiah had a pregnant teenage daughter? Must be the liberals fault! LMAO!
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Indirectly, it is their fault.
December 30, 2008 - 15:37 ET by buzzkill3rthe culture of sexual promiscuity has been largely promoted by the left in Hollywood, the music industry, Planned Parenthood, and academia, modern psychology, etc.. I would gladly lay the failure of abstinence at their feet. Its pretty difficult to teach abstinence when in the culture itself (led by the left) is promoting the exact opposite. The left promotes a culture of free sex and the abjuration of any responsibility for sexual behavior, this has led to expectations of sex on the first date or often between kids that don't even have a romantic interest at all (friends with benefits). Don't try to tell them to stop, after all: "the kids just can't help themselves".
What’s remarkable is how the left never has a problem promoting 'abstinence' when it comes to sins against their own set of "values": pollution, tobacco, homophobia, wars, prayer in school, etc etc...
Like the Devil himself, the left promises you 'freedom' (read: license) from your navel to your knees and takes everything else from you in payment for it.
I have no intention to try to convince you Popular Tech, I'm sure you have gladly taken the so-called "sexual freedom" from the left and as a consequence have blinded yourself to real virtue, freedom, self-control, and indeed true happiness.
For the rest of you, in my experience, there are three kinds of people that hate Sarah Palin:
1) People who think she represents a threat to "sexual freedoms" esp. Abortion (these Palin haters are the most vicious)
2) Shallow people with no conviction that are more concerned with appearance of a 'hick Washington outsider' in the Whitehouse than they are about policy. (Moderate republicans, MSM headline readers and pundit types come from this perspective and are more embarrased by her than literally hate her)
and
3) Cowards from #1 pretending to be #2 (most Sarah Palin haters tend to be in this category)
AWESOME
December 30, 2008 - 15:47 ET by choselife3xBreakdown.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
the people against sexual
December 30, 2008 - 22:03 ET by TruthMongerthe people against sexual abstinance are always the same people who preach abstinance regarding cigarettes - if abstinance doesn't work then why do anti-cig libs promote it?
Pathetic Excuse
December 30, 2008 - 21:21 ET by PopularTechIt is always convenient to place the blame of parental failure on someone else. Whatever happened to personal responsibility? Or are social conservatives nothing more then right-wing excuse makers?
I've said nothing about "sexual freedom". Except of course that when you are 18 you are an adult and free to do as you wish. That is a fact.
If you are still on the hate Palin BS then you are talking to the wrong person.
As for Palin supporters they tend to be brain washed social conservatives.
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i sure hope your kids have
December 30, 2008 - 22:10 ET by TruthMongeri sure hope your kids have never made any mistakes - that would make you a "bad parent"
I am a brainwashed social
December 31, 2008 - 22:36 ET by BDI am a brainwashed social conservative? How...?
Please list your rationale...
Social Conservative is PT's
December 31, 2008 - 22:58 ET by Free StinkerSocial Conservative is PT's code phrase for anyone who is not a raving misogynist.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
TR's management style.
December 30, 2008 - 21:44 ET by easygoer"I can either run the country or I can attend to Alice, but I cannot possibly do both."
Teddy Roosevelt commenting on his daughter Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980)
So "managing" your family is important?
December 30, 2008 - 02:04 ET by Scout FinchWow. So if Teddy Kennedy drowns a pregnant girl, leaves her at the bottom in his car, seeks "family management" for several hours before contacting the authorities, that signifies good "management"? Tripp's birth only bothers people who can't handle anything less than neatly trimmed beribbonned ends.
Sometimes life is messy, and it usually involves another life. None of this reflects on Sarah's awesome strength and power. No wonder Dems are scared...
What...Ted Kennedy?
December 30, 2008 - 02:23 ET by PopularTechWhat kind of ridiculous analogy is that? Anyway MANY, MANY people have a problem with it and many are socially conservative. Keep fighting the losing battle.
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You support the continued existence of the IRS...
December 30, 2008 - 02:36 ET by R D Helm...an oppressive government agency that has guns, and has been known to shoot and kill American citizens who the government felt were "resisting unduly," without benefit of even a cursory trial.
Personally, if I were a true freedom-loving American, I'd be ashamed.
-Dave
Yeah...... ok
December 30, 2008 - 02:38 ET by PopularTechTime to get back on the medication.
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We'll wait for you
December 30, 2008 - 15:03 ET by 911isbusyWe'll wait for you.
Those who have not swords can still die upon them.
Keep waiting
December 30, 2008 - 21:26 ET by PopularTechI don't take medication.
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The IRS reduced to a shell of its former self
December 30, 2008 - 11:51 ET by UnsaneActually, I support the continued existence of the IRS as well...as an agency with little to do because the income tax rates for all is at 17% with no deductions or loopholes or credits, with a staff of maybe 100 people confined to the Treasury Building, with NO regional offices, tax courts, trillion dollar computer systems that don't work, etc etc etc. (If ONLY because we'll still need a bureaucracy dedicated to the fine art of bean-counting.)
And really, if you HAVE to call your tax proposal "Fair", there is a 99.99999999999999999999% chance that it isn't "fair". "Fair" is the most loaded word in English. It should never ever be used in politics.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
"And really, if you HAVE to
December 30, 2008 - 13:22 ET by TD in FL"And really, if you HAVE to call your tax proposal "Fair", there is a 99.99999999999999999999% chance that it isn't "fair"."
Dismissing a program based on its name alone is pretty superficial. Interesting that you did not say 100%. If you were truly informed of the workings of the FairTax and simply did not agree that they would work, then you would feel comfortable saying 100% unfair. However, you leave a little sliver of hope for the idea of fairness, which leads me to believe your knowledge of the plan is minimal at best. I encourage you to educate yourself on this issue.
Your idea of a flat 17% tax greatly oversimplies the issues involved.
Dismiss the unFair Tax based on the facts
December 30, 2008 - 13:58 ET by PopularTechUnFair Tax Facts
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No such thing as "fair"
December 30, 2008 - 17:22 ET by UnsaneSorry, sweetie, I know this will deeply hurt your feelings, but I know all about the Unfair Tax, and know that the religious devotees to it such as yourself are convinced that the only reason I don't like it is because I haven't read the proposal. Sadly, I have read it and do not like it for reasons I listed well above. I encourage you to educate yourself on how I got to my view of the matter before continuing to insult my intelligence.
For the record, I think the word "fair" should be totaly expunged from political discourse, period. For there is no such thing as "fair".
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Love your stuff but,
December 30, 2008 - 02:08 ET by Kirk HallYou are wrong on this one. I have seen your similar comments on other blogs around the net. I love your GW is BS stuff but you obviously do not have a very large family if one at all. Oh, I could tell some stories about some of my extended family members. Most are great, average, everyday, ordinary folk who I claim without hesitation, others not so much, but they are still family and I can't control all of them. I do try.....
Extended vs Immediate Family
December 30, 2008 - 02:11 ET by PopularTechIf you are unable to teach and control your teenage daughter from getting pregnant (by choice) well there is not much more I can say.
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What you teach your
December 30, 2008 - 02:42 ET by kgWhat you teach your children about having sex is entirely different from what the teachers are teaching in the schools. No child gets pregnant "by choice". It happens from bad decisions made about having sex. And you boast controlling your teenager daughter as if that would really change things. You should get the idea of "blaming the daughter" out of your reasoning because it does take two to tango.
It appears that you haven't learned much about life but have read up on it over at DailyKOS.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
That is why I sent my kids to private schools
December 30, 2008 - 02:49 ET by PopularTechI realize when people hear the word "control" they think of locks and chains but I am talking about where you take your kid - which events, friends homes, parties ect... There is a quite a bit you can do to reduce the chance of unwanted behavior and I don't believe for a minute this was done with Palin's daughter. I see parents all the time treating their teenagers like adults and best friends. Without question the only way to make sure this doesn't happen is to educate your daughter properly which Palin obviously did not do.
Of course it takes two which is why there is no coincidence that the mother of her boyfriend just got arrested on drug charges.
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...I don't believe for a
December 30, 2008 - 02:50 ET by Warner Todd HustonSee, the problem with your blather is you have NO CLUE what you are talking about.
You don't know the Palins
You've never met any of them
You have never observed their family unit
You know nothing about them at all.
You only ASSume that you THINK you know all about them. You seem a sad, angry, loud little fella.
Well I am not little
December 30, 2008 - 02:54 ET by PopularTechBut yeah obvious assumptions but the end result is teenage pregnancy and Sarah is the mom = Fact. I am not angry or sad just amazed at the hypocrissy.
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Actually, what's amazing is
December 30, 2008 - 03:02 ET by Warner Todd HustonActually, what's amazing is that you don't see as completely hypocritical the fact that you just made a firm conclusion on Britsol Palin's upbringing from NO data whatsoever. From no first hand OR even second hand information, YOU decided you know everything about her life. From one fact (the fact she got pregnant) you've decided that you know everything in her life and that of her family.
That seems... well, just plain stupid.
Do you consider yourself a stupid man?
I also don't consider myself a hypocritical conservative
December 30, 2008 - 04:08 ET by PopularTech...and now endorse teenage pregnancy. Is this to be a new platform at the next GOP convention? Hypocrissy is the conservative endorsement of teenage pregnancy.
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What?
December 30, 2008 - 12:08 ET by UnsaneWhat did Unsane's Mom do to p*** you off? (She having been pregnant as a teenager once...)
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
She wasn't very smart?
December 30, 2008 - 14:04 ET by PopularTechYou brought you mom up not me, but yes it reflects on how her parents raised her too.
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Utter stupidity
December 30, 2008 - 17:27 ET by UnsaneThat's a pretty stupid comment to make and only reveals that:
1) You don't believe in freewill, and
2) That when the day comes when the last of my two parents takes the dirt nap, I will instantly become a helpless waif (as will all of us when the last of our parents goes to take the dirt nap). You see, I shouldn't be able to do anything without my parents, even in my thirties.
You think you slammed my mom's parental abilities? Hardly. You only pointed a loaded gun at yourself and pulled the trigger. Repeatedly. Well done.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
This become more bizarre as we go
December 30, 2008 - 21:25 ET by PopularTechI said noting about free will.
I said nothing about anyone in their 30s.
I am slamming your grandparents parental abilities - get it right.
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But in fact you ARE taling about the concept of freewill
December 30, 2008 - 23:29 ET by UnsaneBut you ARE talking about freewill all over this board. You simply do not believe it exists, and that parents exist to be some sort of freewill-usurping machines.
For most of us mere mortals, parents can ONLY teach. The execution of those lessons rests solely upon the children. Since you clearly don't understand this shocking revelation that amazingly the rest of humanity seems to grasp, I can only conclude that you do not believe in the concept of freewill.
And yeah, my grandparents really sucked as parents. So much so that they had grandchildren...
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
and again
December 30, 2008 - 12:16 ET by botgdoes poppy therefore support teenage abortion?
----- Radical Liberal
No
December 30, 2008 - 14:06 ET by PopularTechIt seems you historical record of me is faulty.
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well then poppy, kids
December 30, 2008 - 14:39 ET by botgwell then poppy, kids get pregnant it happens it's called reality.
since helping the kids is supporting teen pregnancy and you don't support teen abortion there must be another option i am missing?
please inform those of us not in the PT world of make-believe.
----- Radical Liberal
Teenage Pregnancy happens with Bad Parenting
December 30, 2008 - 21:28 ET by PopularTechAnd social conservatives who make excuses for why their worthless abstinence programs are an utter failure. Yeah the option is called bad parenting and denial.
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no pop-rock, it is more
December 30, 2008 - 21:34 ET by botgno pop-rock, it is more likely with bad parenting but there are many many factors involved and your myopic misogyny mitigates against your ever understanding.
----- Radical Liberal
abstinance has never failed
December 30, 2008 - 21:45 ET by TruthMongerabstinance has never failed - what is it about libs vs. the plain obvious truth?
You mean more lies?
December 30, 2008 - 21:47 ET by PopularTechIf all you have is to lie about me hating women then you need to get a life, seriously.
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as Dee, Unsane, Blonde, BT
December 30, 2008 - 21:52 ET by botgas Dee, Unsane, Blonde, BT and myself have all noted it's your own postings here at NB which have revealed your misogyny.
you need some self-awareness cereally.
----- Radical Liberal
Hey botg... I state what
December 30, 2008 - 22:04 ET by bigtimerHey botg...
I state what I think, always will, I have never accused PT of misogyny.
Ever.
I took those posts of his as humor, others didn't, it is all in the eye of the beholder.
I have stated what I think of all of this in a few posts here, I hate to see this, I wished someone would just start a Woodshed thing and all gang-up there.
Obviously no one is going to move on...it isn't just him in this case.
Everyone seems to be having a little too much fun hoping he gets banned.
Like I asked him above....know when to move on.
To each there own.
I'm off to make dinner.
Catch you all later.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT
December 30, 2008 - 22:15 ET by botgforgive me for including you then, i stand corrected.
I for one would like to see poppy control himself and stop trolling all Palin articles but being a realist expect that banning is the only true option.
----- Radical Liberal
The Truth comes out
December 31, 2008 - 02:20 ET by PopularTechFirst of all I am not trolling on Palin articles, this seems to be the new propaganda phrase labeled to anyone not part of the Palin collective. I post my point and then have to defend it against 500 people. Just because I am able to do this does not mean I wanted to.
I like how the hypocrites on the right want to censor anyone who does not think Palin is the right-wing messiah.
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Able?
December 31, 2008 - 04:08 ET by Warner Todd Huston"Able" is CERTAINLY a relative term in your hands. So far, mostly all you've done is call people names and then claim victory! You've been pretty much substance free this whole thread. And you really make your claims of being conservative suffer when you invoke Mitt Romney as himself a conservative!
For the vast majority of
December 30, 2008 - 05:52 ET by Jack BauerFor the vast majority of the history of homo sapien sapien, "teenage" pregnancy, was not only the normal state of affairs, it was also the most desirable for the development of the species.
And this has happened under times which were far more observant of religious codes than even the last century, let alone this.
In fact, it is only since the last century that the birth process in developed countries has become progressively later, so that women are having their first child well into their later, less fertile years.
So I don't get your obsession with "teenage" pregnancy." My mother was also a teenager when she had me.
Given the option of not exisiting, or being a so-called conservative hypocrite (sic), I guess I choose "hypocrite."
Though I'm thinking what would really make me a "hypocrite" would be to condemn someone else for the behavior that led to my own existence on the planet.
Now well I accept that to a great extent all "morality" is imposed for the greater good. And that, generally, society is better served by two married parents raising their child together, I would ask you to stop being so damned offensive to others who have not quite lived up to your exacting standards. Please moderate your attack on "teenage" pregnancies.
As it is really beginning to piss me off. Thank you.
Fantastic! Conservatives for Teenage Pregnancy!
December 30, 2008 - 08:28 ET by PopularTechWe should make this a platform at the next GOP convention. We can now tell the social cons to suck it about Abstinence!!!
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How about understanding?
December 30, 2008 - 08:34 ET by AgnosticRealizing that we should aim to be a moral person but problems do occur and mistakes are made. It is not about condoning teenage pregnancy but understanding that a mistake doesn't have to define your morality especially if you have a supportive and caring family structure around you. People are readily defined by how they handle adversity and respond to their mistakes. If you can't allow that mistakes can be made then the opportunity for growth fades.
As a disclosure, I don't think many would consider me a social conservative.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
Teenage Pregnancy is fantastic don't you know!
December 30, 2008 - 09:00 ET by PopularTechThanks to Palin and the blind partisan GOP collective we now have liberal talking points becoming conservative positions! I love the hypocrissy and how blindly they will defend it to defend their messiah.
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Excuse me, but who is
December 30, 2008 - 09:13 ET by motherbeltExcuse me, but who is "endorsing" teenage pregnancy?
Did someone here say teenage pregnancy is a good thing? If so, please point it out or withdraw the accusation.
And spare us your "if you don't believe in birth control or abortion,
you are, indeed endorsing teenage pregancy." That's a crock.
What did I say about Abortion?
December 30, 2008 - 10:16 ET by PopularTechIt's hilarious at how much of a one track mind you people have? This is classic.
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"you people:)"
December 30, 2008 - 21:53 ET by TruthMonger"you people:)"
sorry pop tech - you're the one with lib talking points
December 30, 2008 - 09:14 ET by Dee Bunkconservatives are tolerant, reasonable and principled. It's the liberals that are hypocritical and self righteous & judgmental. You need to switch parties.
Conservatives don't condemn individuals for making mistakes in life unless they harm other people. We know that it's human to make mistakes. Abortion hurts an innocent child and public advocacy for it hurts both the child and the mother.
Out of wedlock pregnancy will always happen. Scarlett letters don't stop bad behavior - they only encourage worse behavior (aborting the pregnancy to avoid the Scarlet Letter). When you take away the abortion option, teenagers will be more discriminating about sex.
Conservatives for Teenage Pregnancy?
December 30, 2008 - 09:58 ET by PopularTechWho said anything about condemning someone? There is a difference between condemning and blindly promoting bad behavior because it is in support of your messiah.
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Not one regular here has promoted teen pregnancy
December 30, 2008 - 15:13 ET by Dee Bunkor held any politician out as their messiah. You are full of bull and everyone can see it.
Everyone defending Palin supports Teenage Pregnancy
December 30, 2008 - 21:29 ET by PopularTechYou are all a bunch of hypocrites. This is the most laughable thing I have ever seen in my life.
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PT... For some
December 30, 2008 - 21:36 ET by Clear thinkerPT...
For some perspective on this very issue, I suggest you read this... PHS - Palin Hatred Syndrome
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
For the ladies... Obama vs
December 30, 2008 - 21:37 ET by Clear thinkerFor the ladies...
Obama vs Palin - Who’s Sexy?
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
pt wrote the book on crash
December 30, 2008 - 21:47 ET by TruthMongerpt wrote the book on crash and burn
what a maroon
Right wing Palin Delusions
December 30, 2008 - 21:53 ET by PopularTechNow the Palin collective is confused why people are not endorsing teenage pregnancy. So instead of coming out of denial they choose to manufacturer made up fantasies to label anyone who is not part of the Palin collective as having a made up "syndrome". LMAO!
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"Gov. Palin has been
December 30, 2008 - 22:00 ET by Free Stinker"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
How sad
December 30, 2008 - 22:05 ET by general companyNow the Palin collective is confused why people are not endorsing teenage pregnancy
Wow PT you are realy taking huge leaps now.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Poptech,
December 30, 2008 - 09:57 ET by AgnosticActually while I respect the accomplishments of Gov. Palin I do think she is being overrated. A lot has to do with the fact that she compares extremely well with every other major politician you see in the media today and especially well with the other three primary contenders. That does not mean I think her presidential quality but I wasn't overly impressed with anyone who ran for either party but mildly impressed by some. She may one day be have done enough for me to support her and I hope that I don't end up supporting her due to the lesser of two evils.
As I freely admit I am not a social conservative but even I know the type of judgment you are passing isn't a healthy attitude in the Christian idealism. Yes, the teenage daughter was wrong and that does reflect on the mother but it doesn't give us magical insight into the quality of their family, the integrity of their persons or the character of their faith. There are several questions with Palin's leadership in the past that need to be answered and the mistake her daughter made is a negative but she still must be judged as a whole.
BTW, I may have missed it but I haven't seen you slamming the husband's role in this too much.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
The Husband is just as responsible
December 30, 2008 - 10:00 ET by PopularTechBut he is not the right wing messiah and thus not the topic here.
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Good,
December 30, 2008 - 10:11 ET by AgnosticI didn't want everyone to start calling you sexist as well.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
Agnostic
December 30, 2008 - 10:21 ET by botgPT's misogyny is well known to the regulars here who know of his posting history
----- Radical Liberal
You mean the lies are well spread
December 30, 2008 - 10:29 ET by PopularTechThis is your sad attempt to discredit what I have to say by lying about me.
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no need poppy
December 30, 2008 - 10:37 ET by botgwhat you say speaks well enough all on it's own and discredits itself. If you are around long enough (obviously your time-out was too short) Agnostic will be able to discern for themself your character
----- Radical Liberal
Yes what I speak
December 30, 2008 - 14:03 ET by PopularTechNot what you lie about.
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Bruce doesn't lie but Poptech does
December 30, 2008 - 15:11 ET by Dee Bunkhe calls everyone a liar even though there are a bunch of us who have witnessed is misogamy. He calls all of us liars
You haven't witnessed anything but your own delusions
December 30, 2008 - 21:31 ET by PopularTechI made some incredibly funny jokes that you took too seriously. Thus you continue to lie.
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I guess my polite request
December 30, 2008 - 09:09 ET by Jack BauerI guess my polite request for you to give it a rest on the subject of mothers who happen to have given birth as a teenager is falling on deaf ears.
Thanks for your implied message to my mother and her late mother to go bleep themselves.
My implied message was bad parenting
December 30, 2008 - 14:06 ET by PopularTechI made no derogatory connotations about your parents.
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Don't waste your time,
December 30, 2008 - 09:30 ET by motherbeltDon't waste your time, Jack; he's on a roll and only his judgment matters.
He has decided that Bristol Palin got pregnant at 17 and so that means that
1. She had a lousy upbringing,
or
2. Conservatives are in favor of teenage pregnancy.
It's a waste of time to argue with him. He keeps accusing people of saying things they never said, deliberately misinterpreting, and leaping to conclusions.
I, for one, am done with him.
MB
December 30, 2008 - 09:30 ET by littlemissmuffinI am also done with him. Some people just don't understand logic.
Remembering little Caylee Anthony (2005-2008). May justice be served.
mother -- well the Bible
December 30, 2008 - 10:11 ET by Jack Bauermother -- well the Bible instructs me to honor my mother. That's good enough for me.
I think it's implied in the Bible that we extend that kindness to other peoples' mothers too. Including those who happen to be teenagers.
I was trying to get him to offer that courtesy to others. I think he's sees the hole he's dug for himself and he won't step back.
integrity
December 30, 2008 - 10:14 ET by lotrGiven the option of not exisiting, or being a so-called conservative hypocrite (sic), I guess I choose "hypocrite."
And let's be clear here -- the Palins are not hypocrites because their daughter had a weak moment. Anybody can have a weak moment. The key here is that they didn't get the "private" abortion, even when it would've made complete political sense to do so. They are not hypocrites -- just the opposite, in fact.
And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. -- Edgar Allan Poe
lotr -- oh sure. You can
December 30, 2008 - 10:22 ET by Jack Bauerlotr -- oh sure. You can only act the "hypocrite" in relation to behavior you can personally control, i.e. your own.
Seems a tad weird to be even arguing this point.
PopTech
December 30, 2008 - 09:06 ET by choselife3xYou can't really call Sarah a hypocrite considering she was not the one pregnant out of wedlock.
Re: Bristol
Her circumstances are why it was customary to strictly chaperone young people. No matter how 'well' you raise them teenagers are fallible humans with raging hormones and under developed judgement. (I was a virgin when I was married at the age of 24, my oldest daughter will be 4 in March)
I believe that most social conservatives like myself do not think that succumbing to a moment of temptation under the influence of hormones quite equates with, say, shoplifting or drug use.
Again, one cannot hold parents solely responsible for the decisions of their children. We all make our own choices.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I agree. My daughter is
December 30, 2008 - 09:15 ET by motherbeltI agree.
My daughter is now 20, and when she was in high school, I was amazed at how much unrestricted freedom some kids had. I often said that kids don't need more sex education, they need more supervision!
Exactly MB!
December 30, 2008 - 09:33 ET by choselife3xIt simply doesn't make sense not to guard them. Might as well let your lamb go wandering off into the wolf infested forest.
To me, the only reason to be in a dating relationship with a member of the opposite sex is if you are in a position to be married.
Why should teenagers 'date'? The majority of them are not emotionally mature enough to be in a committed, unselfish relationship. And shouldn't try unless they plan to marry, soon.
Better to get some life experience, a job, a house, and a nest egg. Then seek a mate.
I wouldn't have left my daughter alone with that boy for a minute, but that doesn't cancel out Sarah Palin's good qualities.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I don't care about her being Married
December 30, 2008 - 10:03 ET by PopularTechThat is another social con issue (thrown out the window when convenient) I care about the fact that she is still a teenager and pregnant.
Sarah Palin still lacks parenting skills.
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You don't care about her being married?
December 30, 2008 - 10:33 ET by choselife3xIf the sex/pregnancy out of wedlock isn't the issue, how can you call conservatives hypocrites? So you're cool with teenage sex out of wedlock as long as it does not result in pregnancy?!
Teenagers have married and had children for millennia, so what?
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Too Funny
December 30, 2008 - 10:42 ET by PopularTechI have a problem with teenage pregnancy and teenage sex. College? Well that is up to them.
Do conservatives now endorse teenage pregnancy?
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Does poppy endorse teenage
December 30, 2008 - 10:49 ET by botgDoes poppy endorse teenage abortion?
----- Radical Liberal
----crickets----
December 30, 2008 - 11:38 ET by botg----crickets----
----- Radical Liberal
Pop Tech
December 30, 2008 - 12:04 ET by cocodrieYou can teach , guide, and advise your children 'til the cows come home but sometimes that old saying comes into play - Once a king always a king but once a night that'e enough.
marriage is the key - age is
December 30, 2008 - 21:51 ET by TruthMongermarriage is the key - age is irrelevant
The magic number according to PopTech
December 30, 2008 - 11:13 ET by choselife3xSo the age of 20 is some sort of magic switch, huh? Now it's all good. Yeah, that makes sense.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Welcome to the real NB, cl3x
December 30, 2008 - 11:19 ET by BlondeWhere the peripatetic PopTech spams all Palin threads incessantly, spewing invective and "LMAO".
But you've taken the appropriate tack with him....ask him to defend a stupid statement he's made....now here's the key. Don't let him deflect you from his original stupid statement. He'll dodge and change the subject, ask you all order of inane questions. Don't budge!
Pretty soon, PopT will quit bothering you. See my post below where I asked him how Sarah Palin managed to get her daughter knocked up. Crickets chirp.
Anyway, I never did give you the offical welcome here, so here it is!
Thanks Blonde :)
December 30, 2008 - 11:31 ET by choselife3xYour moniker almost had me pick Brunette when I registered but I happened to be in a fit of pique over what someone posted about abortion so you can see what happened! ;)
Wonder if I can go back and change that......
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
You're welcome
December 30, 2008 - 11:33 ET by BlondeI like your sn just fine...it's great, in fact.
But thanks for the compliment.
More lies
December 30, 2008 - 14:10 ET by PopularTechI don't spam. I post the truth about your messiah that you wish no one would know. I didn't respond immediately because I decided to watch a movie. Actually I have yet to dodge any question so please stop with the lies. Though I admit trying to respond to 50 people at the same time is tiring.
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no it's not you
December 30, 2008 - 14:16 ET by botgno it's not you poppy
it's a conspiracy
----- Radical Liberal
Really?
December 30, 2008 - 14:20 ET by BlondeSo what would YOU call posting the same things innumerable times, Pop?
You spam, you name call, you troll, you derail, you make things up about posters here, you lose your temper, you drop the f-bomb, and you got banned!
Keep it up.
Really = Reality
December 30, 2008 - 21:37 ET by PopularTechI don't spam, and I give back what I get (people like yourself cannot handle it - you give it out but cannot take it), I've never made anything up about anyone, though you constantly lie about me. I am well aware you keep trying to get me banned so you can bully other posters here since you cannot bully me. I now simply report the personal attacks.
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No magic number
December 30, 2008 - 14:12 ET by PopularTechIt is called adult or non-adult. Uh.... most people attend college when they are 18 AKA adulthood. It is the parents responsibility to raise their children into adulthood.
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so popster if a child gets
December 30, 2008 - 14:17 ET by botgso popster if a child gets pregnant before that you support tennage abortion then?
----- Radical Liberal
Brainwashed for abortion
December 30, 2008 - 21:42 ET by PopularTechDo they brainwash you to repeat the word abortion over and over?
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no poppy
December 30, 2008 - 21:47 ET by botgit's a legitimate question that you continue to avoid
since you refuse to support a teenager who is pregnant, what do you do? support teenage abortion or some other option?
what Poppy what?
----- Radical Liberal
Give it a rest PT
December 30, 2008 - 14:26 ET by choselife3x"I have a problem with teenage sex/pregnancy. College, up to them."
Now it is 18=adulthood, up to them.
Please stop contradicting yourself.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
More total stupidity
December 30, 2008 - 12:14 ET by UnsaneSarah Palin still lacks parenting skills. This statement only shows me yet again you haven't the first clue about parenting. That, and as Mr. Huston points out, you continue to scream that tired line when you don't even know the woman!
I have a sister that wound up a drug addict. Does this 1) reflect on her freewill and poor choices or 2) indicate my parents suck? Knowing my upbringing, and human nature, I go with 1).
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
The parenting sucks
December 30, 2008 - 14:17 ET by PopularTechFor not recognizing your sisters personality or contributing to her becoming who she is. When you trace back people to how they started on their bad behavior there is always a connection, some that people wish to ignore and pretend doesn't exist.
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For The Shahinshah's Gift To All Parenting
December 30, 2008 - 17:37 ET by UnsaneThen you must explain to me then, seeing that you are The Holy Shahinshah's, Allah's, God's, Quetzacoatl's, The Great Pumpkin's, etc etc etc GIFT TO PARENTING, why the other two kids lack such issues.
Could it be that this thing called FREEWILL enters the picture? That parents cannot ever usurp freewill?
When I was younger, I was forbidden from visiting a creek which flowed near my house. Not only did I make repeated visits there, I also went to that very same creek at flood stages and walked directly alongside it to the point where if I made one false move I would wind up in the swollen, fast-moving waters of the creek. How can this be? My parents forbade me to go there, right? They used their freewill-usurping powers to prevent me from ever doing it, right?
Oh my Holy Shahinshah! How on earth did The State not ever intervene and immediately imprison my parents for being SUCH BAD PARENTS????
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
The concept of "freewill" is just so vexing
December 30, 2008 - 11:58 ET by UnsaneFor claiming to be some sort of ultra-enlightened Libertarian you have a severe problem with this "freewill" thing. Yes, you can TEACH your daughters to not get pregnant, or your sons to not knock a girl up. But in the end, there is going to be a day when the parent will have to turn their backs. At that point, the children have to make a decision: roll the dice on risky behavior OR just follow the advice their parents gave them. That is the point where the parent will hope and pray that the child will do what they taught them.
This HAS to be done, Pop. If for no other reason than the fact that if nature is followed according to pattern and design, there will be a day when your parents will not be available in any shape, form or function to give you ANY advice or to protect you from the dangers of the world.
Take this as one raised by a mom who got pregnant with her first child as a teenager.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Free will?
December 30, 2008 - 21:41 ET by PopularTechI teach my kids personal responsibility not free will.
I claim to be a fiscally conservative/libertarian.
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Responsibility, freewill
January 1, 2009 - 02:09 ET by UnsaneSweetiepea, I really don't know how you can possibly teach personal responsibility without acknowledging the concept of freewill.
Because responsibility IMPLIES freewill - the freewill to ignore or to embrace or to accept responsibility.
Unfortunately, you cannot teach freewill anyways, even if you wished to - freewill happens by being born. Try again. (But, by all means, as you are the God of Children/Parenting, perhaps you can write a book on it and make billions.)
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
What is this Uns, the third
January 1, 2009 - 02:22 ET by bigtimerWhat is this Uns, the third post you have put here tonight in this thread...this is a two days old now...for heavens sake, give it a rest...give us all a rest.
You are right no matter what.
PT is right no matter what.
Start a f'n thread on the Woodshed already...this is past old.
It is NY Eve...
I hope you both have a very satisfying NY.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Come on PT
December 30, 2008 - 02:10 ET by shawn228I thought the interviews were quite embarrassing, but its not her fault that her daughter decided to have relations with her boyfriend. You can't control what your kids do 24/7
He had my vote
Responsible Parenting
December 30, 2008 - 02:15 ET by PopularTechIt is her fault for not making sure her daughter was educated properly on birth control, unless of course she doesn't believe in it - which is directly her fault and makes her even more irresponsible. Yes it is her fault and due to the way she choose to be a parent. I've noticed a trend of parents being friends instead of parents and ignoring obvious signs of problems that lead to these situations.
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PT
December 30, 2008 - 02:20 ET by shawn228From what I understand, Ted Bundy had loving parents as well. Is it their fault their son is a mass murderer?
He had my vote
I think I am ready to blame
December 30, 2008 - 02:23 ET by Warner Todd HustonI think I am ready to blame Pop Tech's parents for birthing such a looonatech.
LOL
Warner
December 30, 2008 - 02:29 ET by shawn228Most of the time, we are at odds, but today, ROFLMFAO!!!
He had my vote
Conservatives for Teenage Pregnancy?
December 30, 2008 - 02:32 ET by PopularTechI am missing the connection or is hypocrissy just bad when the left does it?
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I will tell you what you are
December 30, 2008 - 02:40 ET by Warner Todd HustonI will tell you what you are missing... a sense of humor. There is also that sense of proportion thingie, too.
Give me a break
December 30, 2008 - 02:27 ET by PopularTechTed Bundy committed his crimes when he was older not 16. The issue is not even related though Ted Bundy had a screwed up child hood and might have been the son of his grandfather. So yes parenting has a lot to do with it.
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There you go again looking
December 30, 2008 - 02:52 ET by kgThere you go again looking behind you, gosh darn it. You are jumping to an awful lot of conclusions and speculation on someone you know nothing about. You are wrong but you do put a nice psychological edge on you errors to make it sound like you know what you are talking about. You are quick to lay the blame thinking there are obvious signs right before a child has sex, no, gets pregnant. Why not try backing up some of your blame and conclusions with facts.
"Forget change, I want improvement!"
Fact = she is pregnant
December 30, 2008 - 02:58 ET by PopularTechTherefore her mother failed to properly educate her about pregnancy.
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Only people who INTEND to
December 30, 2008 - 10:23 ET by choselife3xOnly people who INTEND to have sex use birth control. If you have every intention of remaining abstinent you don't need it.
Since she obviously didn't use bc I would argue that she and he slipped once.
Feminine hormones greatly increase desire during the window of conception. If you've never been swept up in a torrent of love and hormones, well that explains a few things. ;)
Should she demean herself by getting up in front of a howling mob of unabashed fornicators to plead that they just succumbed once and now they intend to do the right thing?
Screw them, so to speak. She'll go marry the man she lost her virginity to while they go home to F their current live in lovers.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
It is her fault for not
December 30, 2008 - 06:11 ET by motherbeltIt is her fault for not making sure her daughter was educated properly on birth control,
Oh, for crying out loud! At some point kids make their own decisions. Don't tell me Bristol and Levi never heard about condoms in school, or from their friends!
At some point kids make their own decisions. And sometimes that includes ignoring the values they were brought up with.
And if birth control is the issue, why the hell does the teenage pregnancy rate keep going up????????
So is Bristol just dumb as a rock?
December 30, 2008 - 08:31 ET by PopularTechIt can only be one of a few things. Neither is good for Palin.
The teenage pregnancy rate keeps going up because apparently everyone supports it! I guess being best friends with your kids really doesn't work.
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Did I say Bristol was
December 30, 2008 - 09:23 ET by motherbeltDid I say Bristol was dumb????/
You are really being annoying. You keep accusing other people of saying things they never said.
Your "So Bristol is just dumb as a rock?" is a feeble extrapolation which attempts to demand an explantion and put others on the defensive.
It's not productive.
People aren't going to keep jumping to explain themselves to you so that you can find something else to misinterpret.
Well if Bristol is not dumb that leaves....
December 30, 2008 - 10:15 ET by PopularTechSarah as a bad parent.
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Except that...
December 30, 2008 - 12:33 ET by UnsaneExcept that you do not know Sarah Palin and therefore cannot make that call. But then, I don't think there is a possible way that Mrs. Palin can win in your eyes. If she shackles Bristol to a chair when she is not in school, and chains her to bed at night, you'd scream about how abusive she is. If she taught Bristol values as best she could, and tried her best to imprint those values upon her, and Bristol of her own freewill stumbled and fell anyway, Mrs. Palin is the worst parent ever and should have the rest of her children taken from her and put into foster care.
Hey! If Sarah is such an evil, horrible parent, petition the State of AK to take her children from her!
I have a sister who became a drug addict. Does this mean I have bad parents?
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
There are limited options here
December 30, 2008 - 21:46 ET by PopularTechThis is called basic logical reasoning.
All I know is there is something really screwed up with the Palin's parenting abilities and this is not who I want my children to look up to.
It depends on what age your sister became a drug addict but so far your already admitted that you mother was a teenager when pregnant and now this.... well yes there is a connection.
Unsane you are proving my point.
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You fail, and fail, and fail again. Choose freewill sometime
December 30, 2008 - 23:46 ET by UnsaneAgain, I have not proven your point. You have failed, AGAIN, to explain why the other two kids, one of them being ME, turned out just great. You failed, and failed miserably.
All of this, in spite of my mom becoming a parent at a young age. You can't explain it, because then you HAVE to acknowledge freewill exists. Once you acknowledge freewill, your argument here against the hated Sarah Palin evaporates into nothing. You can't stomach that, and nothing, not even the concept of freewill, should come between you and your unrelenting hatred of Sarah Palin for having two X chromosomes.
Again, you fail, fail, and fail to acknowledge the concept of freewill. Until Sarah Palin can be shown that she has some superpowers that allow her to monitor her kids 25/8, you have no case. Because you see, kids can only be TAUGHT. Whether they will act upon the lesson is entirely on THEM.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
"And if birth control is
December 30, 2008 - 10:24 ET by lotr"And if birth control is the issue, why the hell does the teenage pregnancy rate keep going up????????"
Excellent question, MB. It looks like contraception is not the answer to the world's problems after all.
And one by one dropped the revellers in the blood-bedewed halls of their revel, and died each in the despairing posture of his fall. -- Edgar Allan Poe
Shawn, sure he can.
December 30, 2008 - 02:21 ET by R D HelmHe just locks his offspring in the closet while he busies himself helping his buds at the IRS rip-off, screw, imprison, and, when necessarry, shoot the balking, average American taxpayer.
Hell, I am guessing we taxpayers were forced to pay for the padlock on the closet door, too.
-Dave
R D really find someone else to lie about
December 30, 2008 - 02:31 ET by PopularTechIt is getting really pathetic and desperate.
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Dave
December 30, 2008 - 02:37 ET by shawn228At least he has not brought out the Palin Resume yet. I thought Tumbler was annoying.
He had my vote
Ah, NOW you've done it,
December 30, 2008 - 02:40 ET by Warner Todd HustonAh, NOW you've done it, Shawn!!!
Shawn if you insist...
December 30, 2008 - 02:42 ET by PopularTechSarah Palin
Age: 44
Religion:
- Pentecostal
Education:
- Attended, Hawaii Pacific University, 1982
- Attended, North Idaho College, 1983-1984
- Attended, University of Idaho, 1984-1985
- Attended, Matanuska-Susitna College, 1985
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987
Political Experience:
- Former Council Member, Wasilla City Council, Alaska, 1992-1996
- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 7,028) (Votes: 909)
- Failed Candidate, Lieutenant Governor, Alaska, 2002
- Resigned, Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, 2003-2004
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (1+1/2 years) (pop: 670,053)
Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
- Director, Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc., 2003-2007
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(insert rolling eyes smilie
December 30, 2008 - 02:44 ET by Warner Todd Huston(insert rolling eyes smilie here)
You are a majority of one, pally. And THAT alone should tell you something.
The Big Palin Supporter Myth
December 30, 2008 - 02:52 ET by PopularTechI am not the only one here who doesn't think Palin is the conservative messiah and I am not the only one in the Republican party either.
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Political Messiahs
December 30, 2008 - 10:24 ET by GeneCarThe whole point about Governor Palin for conservatives is that she is not a political 'Messiah'. True conservatives have never believed in either political religions or their Messiahs. In modern times, in Europe and American that has been a leftist/progressive phenonomen--with devastating results in Europe. Conserevatives seek salvation in religion not in politics. Governor Palin is more a citizen/politicion. It remains to be seen whether she is or can be presidential material or can sufficiently appeal to independents voters. Still, is is remarkable that she was elected Governor, and has high favourability ratings in a state with one of the highest ratios of independent votors (43%).
SOCIAL Conservatives seek Religion
December 30, 2008 - 10:33 ET by PopularTechPlease stop confusing fiscal and social conservatives - they are not the same thing. I am not a social conservative.
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And apparently you're not a
December 30, 2008 - 22:11 ET by Free StinkerAnd apparently you're not a fiscal conservative either, otherwise you would be supporting Governor Palin too.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
Right... Cap and Trade,
December 30, 2008 - 22:41 ET by bigtimerRight...
Cap and Trade, illegal immigration...ooops, Amnesty go-lightly is just A-Ok isn't it if your a supposed conservative...heck as long as it's Palin, it matters not.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
PopTech
December 31, 2008 - 22:13 ET by Free StinkerOil revenues were skyrocketing last year, but she was still cutting the budget for Alaska.
Nice how you tried to change the subject about her being fiscally conservative. I wonder why you did that?
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
Palin's experience sure
December 30, 2008 - 22:10 ET by TruthMongerPalin's experience sure blows the hell out of obama's community organizing:)
Man, your worse than the
December 30, 2008 - 06:34 ET by Gary P JacksonMan, your worse than the AP!
Get over your Palin Derangement Syndrome. It makes you look very small.
www'teamsarah.org
PDS = lie
December 30, 2008 - 21:50 ET by PopularTechI am not an advocate of teenage pregnancy and Sarah Palin is not qualified nor remotely the most qualified the GOP has to be POTUS in 2012. Having these positions does not make you to have PDS.
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I know it's puzzling for you to understand.
December 30, 2008 - 08:22 ET by tmullen20736This comment clearly shows how hypocritical the far left is. If this issue were truly the demise of this woman why are so many still going to her sites? Why does it still matter to AP to bring her down. She had a strong showing at every rally following her acceptance speech. She is a true conservative. One that we conservatives have been looking for.
The announcement of the birth of her first grand son is one that is a very blessed event. This is a woman that not only talks the talk but walks the walk. She chooses life over infantacide - something that the obamamaniacs will never understand.
May this bring great joy to this family. I should know since I have been a gammie for 3 years to my son and his wife. They are now expecting their second one. Everyone said they would not last either, they were quite young too, but they are going strong. Struggles - yes but still loving each other through the struggles.
I am part of the conservative party
C'mon Pop Tech -
December 30, 2008 - 08:47 ET by kdizzydazeYou hate Palin and you are happy she is not currently holding the office of the VP-elect.
Get over it, your boy won - quit piling on.
As for your other posts, the first grade attack method of overloading people with puff pieces and opinion pages, specifically, ones from people who have a vested interest in the current tax system tells me you are truly an angry little man.
Merry Christmas!!!!
My Boy won? Not
December 30, 2008 - 09:52 ET by PopularTechWhy are you people so confused. I voted for Bob Barr and Bush twice before that.
Sorry if I am more educated on the idiotic unfairtax but that is the case. Calling indepth analysis of something a "puff piece" either means you did not read it or have no idea what you read.
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agree with pop,
December 30, 2008 - 10:07 ET by AgnosticThere hasn't been much about the fair tax that has excited me but there is one thing about it that especially scares the crap out of me and that it will create a tax standard that has the potential to bring in similar amounts of revenue as the current system, albeit at a disputable rate, but it is only a starting place. It took years for tax code to get to its current level of intrusion into our wallets and I don't want to give them a new system to work with.
I would love to reduce Congressional control on our lives and remove the IRS and many other members of the governmental alphabet soup but I don't think the fair tax would work. Another important reason is that congress members don't understand the market well enough to use a market based tax system.
A person may be won over with logic and reason but the masses must be bought with spectacle and platitudes. - 2008 Elections
Misogyny, snobbery on parade
December 30, 2008 - 11:45 ET by UnsaneHer daughter's pregnancy clearly shows that Palin can't even manage her own family. This issue more than any other made many not vote for her. Pot smokers usually turn out to be bad parents. Is Sarah Palin a bad person? No but is she a good choice for VP or POTUS? No. The hypocrissy on this issue from the far-right is embarrassing and shows how people will put partisan politics above integrity. I have never seen such deep, passionate, intense, overwhelming hatred for a politician in my life. And why do you so hate Sarah Palin?
I suspect you harbor such hatred because she is a woman. I haven't seen you go out of your way to so relentlessly blast other politicians the way you do the Governor of AK.
Anyways, let's deconstruct your stupid outburst. I know just from the first sentence you know absolutely NOTHING about parenting. Just because you are a parent does not mean that you control your children 24/7 or that you usurp their freewill until 18. There were all sorts of things my parents forbade me to do that I went and did anyway, because, simply put, I knew that if I was never caught there was not a damn thing they could do about it. Does this make my parents bad? Does this indicate that my parents couldn't control their own family? No. This indicates something more fundamental: that in the end, the ONLY thing parents can hope to do is to inculcate their values to their children, and then hope and pray that this will be their guide.
I have a sister that wound up a drug addict. Does this mean my parents can't control the family? No, this means that my sister has freewill. My parents repeatedly warned us of the dangers of drugs and it isn't their fault that one of their children didn't take that advice to heart.
The ONLY thing that parents can do, again, is to teach their children right from wrong and inculcate a sense of values in them and hope and pray that those values are followed. I have always thought that the worst time for parents is around the time their children are 18. Maybe before, maybe a little after...but the point being is that around that age, parents have to resign themselves to the fact that they have done ALL that they can and now it is up to their kids to either live life on the straight and narrow or to screw it all up. I don't see how the mistakes of children reflect upon the integrity of the parents, especially when the parents have done all that they can to do the right things by their children. (Of course, I suspect that your line about integrity is more indicative of your misogyny and your hatred of Sarah Palin more than it is a way to shame then"far right".)
Therefore, the way I see it, Sarah Palin is hopelessly human, as much as that apparently disgusts you.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Why do you perpetually lie and smear?
December 30, 2008 - 22:01 ET by PopularTechI don't hate Palin, never did.
I don't hate Palin because she is a woman, she is simply unqualifed and chosen by McCain only because she is a woman. I don't play identity politics.
I have relentlessly blasted Obama and McCain.
Lets see since I am a parent I do know something about parenting.
What disgusts me are the hypcrites in the Republican party who are now advocates for teenage pregnancy.
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More whining and crying and mewling and puking
December 31, 2008 - 20:46 ET by UnsaneAs to your whine of "why I must perpetually lie and smear?"...how am I doing so? I can ONLY go off of what I am reading, and for the entirety of the time I have seen you post here, I have NEVER seen you attack a politician as you have Sarah Palin. And it's one thing to attack her on policy, but you instead choose to atatck her for the most asinine reason of all...her parenting, something about which you know nothing, because you don't know Sarah Palin.
And I suspect you know nothing about parenting period. If you WERE a parent, you would understand that children have freewill, and the absolute most ANY parent can do in the end is to teach their children and inculcate them with their values, and hope and pray that their children will follow that advice and values when the parents aren't looking...if for any other reason that there will be a day when mommy and daddy won't be ANYWHERE to be found (except perhaps a cemetery).
I don't hate Palin because she is a woman, she is simply unqualifed and chosen by McCain only because she is a woman. I don't play identity politics. Your posts since August contradict you. Her executive experience alone is greater than The Shainshah, Biden, and McCain combined. Yet that executive experience isn't good enough for you; you then blast her for not being the mayor of a big enough town or not being governor of a big enough state. When confronted with that, you emerely fall back on snobbery the likes of which I have come to expect from the Left.
Keep in mind that much can change in 4 years and I might not even have the opportunity to vote for Palin (she might not run!). There may be someone I like more that comes along. So your screaming about how I am part of the "Palin collective" is laughable.
I have relentlessly blasted Obama and McCain. When and where?
Lets see since I am a parent I do know something about parenting. Actually I don't think you do. At all. Just because I commissioned as an officer rught out of college doesn't make me 100% knowledgeable at being an officer. You can quite easily be a parent in name only. And IF you ARE a parent - I somehow doubt this as you clearly do not understand the basics of parenting that I have picked up as having been raised by two parents and being an uncle (yes, they are THAT OBVIOUS!!!) - I fear for the lives of your children. Unquestionably you beat them every single night for hours on end for not being as COMPLETELY PERFECT as you are. You probably do not love your children at all - you just see them as pawns, objects for you to relentlessly and completely control. (Too bad that sets them up for total failure later on - again, mommy and daddy don't live forever.)
What disgusts me are the hypcrites in the Republican party who are now advocates for teenage pregnancy. One, I am not a Republican. Two, I have yet to see anywhere here on NB advocacy for teenage pregnancy, so you can put away that Leftist tactic anytime now. Unless of course you can quote chapter and verse a post that advocates teenage pregnancy.
What I DO see is quite different. I see people that are abhorrent at teenage pregnancy, but when it happens, instead of screaming over spilled milk for years and years and years as you wish to do, there are those who wish to intervene and do something about it through various avenues (adoption, marriage, and so on). This isn't advocacy for teenage pregnancy any more than having firefighters is advocacy for arsonists.
But your seething intense hatred for anything remotely involving Sarah Palin - as well as your being a total attention whore - has blinded you. Do me a small favor. TRY and have a good 2009.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
BEST SUBJECT LINE
December 31, 2008 - 21:03 ET by choselife3xI've ever seen. Let's have a round of applause for the inimitable Unsane.
Light refreshments will be served on the Open Thread as we honor Unsane's supreme smackdown of UNPop.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Pompous Tech
December 30, 2008 - 15:42 ET by Lakewood BobBy Pot Smokers are you referring to Clinton and Obama or are you only referring to Gore and Biden. By the way, I believe at least two of them were/are cocaine users also. Further, please name a Democrat Party leader that is not partisan and can be accused of having integrity!
You win another prize
December 30, 2008 - 22:04 ET by PopularTech....award for not knowing who you are talking to.
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If it wasn't for the great posts on the global warming scam
December 30, 2008 - 15:46 ET by buzzkill3rI'd think this guy was a troll
Popular where?
December 30, 2008 - 18:47 ET by dammitKos or DU would be my guess.
If Gov Palin chooses to run in 2012, I will be campaigning
for her.
If It Is To Be, It Is Up To Me
The Daily Kos
December 30, 2008 - 22:10 ET by PopularTechAre a bunch of socialist morons.
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Say what?
December 30, 2008 - 19:54 ET by CobraMan"Her daughter's pregnancy clearly shows that Palin can't even manage her own family."
How does it show that? Did Sarah FORCE her daughter to have sex? No. That decision was between her daughter and the father of the child. Stop trying to blame Sarah for the mistakes of her daughter. After all, we are NOT our brother's keeper, so to speak.
It seems to me that you're just USING the pregnancy to justify any and all negativity you have for Sarah and her politics. You don't care about her daughter, or her daughter's baby. You only care about slamming Sarah because you don't like her. Your motivations are as transparent as glass.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Reality check
December 30, 2008 - 22:13 ET by PopularTechI don't support teenage pregnancy. I know this is REALLY hard to understand.
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*Blink-blink*
December 30, 2008 - 23:52 ET by RESTLESS 1Boy, I'm sure glas this thread didn't go off topic. ;>)
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
Oh... this is
December 30, 2008 - 01:59 ET by bigtimerOh... this is hilarious...kind of like being a little bit pregnant.
Reminds me of the song Changes.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Good evening BT
December 30, 2008 - 02:06 ET by cocodrieAt my daddy's wake my brother tried to explain to his four year old son that my dad's spirit was with Jesus and only his body was in the coffin. Little Sam told his dad " Oh I understand he's only a little bit dead."
coco.. Now that is
December 30, 2008 - 02:28 ET by bigtimercoco..
Now that is precious.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
What can you say
December 30, 2008 - 01:59 ET by well99Al Qaeda Press trying to cover their stupidity.They just are pathetic.But that is the msm for you.They arent smart enough or resourceful enough to do real stories so they do grade school journalism.Actually my apology to grade schoolers I know they have higher standards.
The Left...
December 30, 2008 - 02:10 ET by talkradio55... is horrified of Sarah Palin. Plain and simple. They know that if the race were between her and B. Hussein Obama, she would have wiped the floor with him. They must demean and undermine her because she is a threat to the perversions of society they regularly make excuses for. A woman is not supposed to be conservative, pro-life, and openly Christian.
Palin 2012
Amen...Amen
December 30, 2008 - 08:32 ET by tmullen20736I am part of the conservative party
True for sure
December 30, 2008 - 08:52 ET by tmullen20736You strike this right on the head of this issue. I myself can attest to the attitudes of libs. I was part of the democratic party until I could no longer stomach their double standard attitude. Now that I am a conservative I get the same attacks that Sarah Palin did only fortunately not at a national level.
I am part of the conservative party
Standards on the Left
December 30, 2008 - 10:29 ET by GeneCarBe glad that the Democratic Party has double standards. If it did not, it would have no standards at all.
She also...
December 30, 2008 - 10:40 ET by StarAZSarah also raises a family of seven on a household income of $166K, used to own a "deadly catch" business and met payroll, ran a city, kicked but in her own party, runs a state, created an energy policy, does a budget for all Alaskans, and is darn good looking and funny. If she is pro-life, as they call it, it's her opinion. She never really pushed this in Alaska, I understand, though she could have because she is very popular. I am pro-living-life and she does!
A good editor
December 30, 2008 - 02:21 ET by NorthCoasterwould have stopped the writer and had them re-write the notice proir to publication, not after. Is it any wonder that the MSM is losing readers and viewers?
NC... Exactly...that is
December 30, 2008 - 02:26 ET by bigtimerNC...
Exactly...that is just what I meant by my post above.
Which at one time was the second or third...lol!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
The only problem with
December 30, 2008 - 02:26 ET by Captain RepusThe only problem with abortion is that 53% of the voting population wasn't.
Sarah Palin Unfit for POTUS!?!
December 30, 2008 - 02:47 ET by jcharlesHypocracy knows no bounds by the far left Moonbats. Sarah Palin is unfit for POTUS because her daughter had a baby? What does that make the Kennedy's? Sarah Palin still terrifies the far left Socialists/Communists. She broke the feminist model they worked so hard to scam on the American Women. Barry Soetoro is somehow qualified, however. Liberalism is truely a disease.
Palin, unfit for POTUS because she is not a Fiscal Conservative
December 30, 2008 - 03:01 ET by PopularTechHer daughter being pregnant made many people not vote for her knowing that she could not even manage her own family.
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Not a fiscal
December 30, 2008 - 06:50 ET by Gary P JacksonNot a fiscal conservative!
Are you kidding me!
Sarah Palin is one of the few Governors who won't be standing in line for a bailout pal. Her new budget not only proposes a 7 percent CUT, but projects a surplus!
Don't forget, Alaska has no income or state sales tax.
Also, the legislature passed a law that said all executive level employees should have their salaries reviewed. They recomended her salary be raised from $125,000 to $150,000. She has said she will refuse the raise, and donate it to charity.
Sarah Palin is one of the few true fiscal conservatives left!
You might wanna gaze at this:
http://www.northstar...
Pop, you are basically a party of one on this deal. As I've said before, great work on Global Warming, but you couldn't be more wrong if you tried about Palin.
www.teamsarah.com
Yes Palin is NOT a Fiscal Conservative
December 30, 2008 - 08:37 ET by PopularTechSarah Palin Can't Name a Newspaper She Reads (Video)
Bridge to Nowhere:
Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans (Reuters)
Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)
ADN: "Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?"
PALIN: "Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." - (Anchorage Daily News, 2006)
Earmarks:
Alaska 1st, Ariz. last in pork spending (USA Today)
Palin used system she now opposes (Los Angeles Times)
Palin's Project List Totals $453 Million (The Wall Street Journal)
Palin's earmark requests: more per person than any other state (The Seattle Times)
Fiscal Policy:
Spending rose in Palin's Alaska administrations (USA Today)
- In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. (ADN)
- As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. (ADN)
- Palin, who portrays herself as a fiscal conservative, racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of Wasilla. (POLITICO)
Global Warming:
Biden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming and clean coal? (The Industry Standard)
MODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"
PALIN: "I do. I do." (Transcript)
Greed:
Palin denounces Wall Street "greed" to big money donors (FOX News)
Illegal Immigrations:
Palin: I support a path to citizenship for illegals (Hot Air)
School Spending:
Gov. Sarah Palin aims to boost spending on schools (Anchorage Daily News)
Yearly school spending $1 billion in Palin plan (Anchorage Daily News)
Taxes:
Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News)
Ted Stevens:
Palin Was a Director of Embattled Sen. Stevens's 527 Group (The Washington Post)
Sen. Stevens Indicted On 7 Corruption Counts (The Washington Post)
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"manage" her own
December 30, 2008 - 07:32 ET by motherbelt"manage" her own family???????????????
Oh, get a grip!
Did you ever "keep" any of your kids from doing something they really wanted to do?????????
Before you answer that, consider this: If you didn't want them to do it and they did it, you didn't know.
No I let my kids have sex in the house
December 30, 2008 - 09:03 ET by PopularTechThey really wanted to do that so I rented them some porn too.
Now I realize many kids are stupid but you can educate them and the ones that refuse to listen have to get tough love.
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define tough love He
December 30, 2008 - 09:39 ET by shawn228define tough love
He had my vote
Tough Love
December 30, 2008 - 10:11 ET by PopularTechWhen your kids think they know more then you have them do things like try to pay for gas to go where they want, for food, for the Internet, their own clothes, for rent, for their own cell phone (no kid should have one) ect... Reality wakes most kids up fast.
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Quite making things up
December 30, 2008 - 20:01 ET by CobraMan"Her daughter being pregnant made many people not vote for her knowing that she could not even manage her own family."
Quit making things up. You have no idea why someone voter for, or didn't vote for ANY candidate. Did you personally poll each and every citizen in America and ask them why they don't support Palin, or if her daughter's pregnancy had an effect on how they view Sarah? No? I didn't think so.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
What Really TerrifiesThe Left About Sarah Palin
December 30, 2008 - 03:00 ET by jcharlesThe whole derrangement by the Left/Socialists (AKA Democrates) about Sarah Plain boils down to the issue of abortion. The Left never really moved off this single issue about Sarah Palin. All the nonsense about qualifications (no problem with Caroline Kennedy though), and the character assinations on SNL was just a smoke screen. Sarah Palin broke the Left Feminazi's cardnal rule. You abort Downs Syndrome babies (96% of the time). Second rule of the Feminazi's is you abort your teenager's baby. They just can't have accomlished, professional Women going around not having abortions and breaking the rules. Next Roe vs. Wade will be overturned then uterus will no longer trump life.
The Liberal Way
December 30, 2008 - 03:09 ET by jcharlesLiberals love to defend kid's rights and freedoms of choice. Even an 11 year old should have the right to choose to have an abortion without the parents concent. However, when things go wrong they love to blame the parents, especially in the case of Sarah Palin. I'm suprised they arn't blaming Bush! Hypocricy knows no bounds. Liberals, line up left for your meds.
Resident Expert
December 30, 2008 - 06:17 ET by Miss CheviousSo Pop as the resident expert here on the failures of parenting in regards to teenage pregnancy perhaps you would be kind enough to give me the benefit of your exceptional wisdom ...
what color burkha would be a good choice to go with a pink orchid corsage for the homecoming dance or senior prom ??
I understand Olive tree branches make excellent switches and clubs but they are very rare here. Would Hickory or Ash make an acceptable substitue ? or perhaps Persimmon or Peach ? we have lots of those. Pine, unfortunately, leaving little pieces of bark on the carpet is pretty useless and unless it is well seasoned the sap remains quite gummy.
Home Depot has #2 garden stone in 10 lb bags. Is this size of stone and the quantity enough to keep on hand in the event my daughter "slips up" or am I going to need something more substantial ?
I would be willing to make a quick trip up to Stone Mountain for some good old Georgia Granite if you think it will better suit my needs.
Thanks in advance for your help.
I am pretty sure ol' Poppie
December 30, 2008 - 06:21 ET by Warner Todd HustonI am pretty sure ol' Poppie would just advise you to build a dungeon to throw that young girl child in. Maybe when she is 21 or so, he'd advise you to let her out. Otherwise, you ain't no good parint.
LOL
Your headline
December 30, 2008 - 06:25 ET by Jcon96You may want to correct your headline
"AP Attacks Gov. Palin EVEN in Birth Announcement of Granddaughter"
Govenor Palin has a grandSON, not granddaughter.
Crap! I knew that, I just
December 30, 2008 - 06:28 ET by Warner Todd HustonCrap! I knew that, I just had "daughter" in my head because of Bristol.
Funny thing about that? Over 1,000 hits on the article thus far and YOU are the VERY first to notice that! Ha,. ha.
Thanks for noticing, I'll fix it.
No problem
December 30, 2008 - 06:33 ET by Jcon96Actually my wife noticed. Things like that drive her crazy. i just have the registered account. I will pass along your thanks.
headline change
December 30, 2008 - 06:40 ET by Miss Cheviousyou got the headline .. missed the text tho .. check the end of 2nd line .. opening para :)
COME ON PEOPLE... LEAVE
December 30, 2008 - 06:43 ET by Warner Todd HustonCOME ON PEOPLE... LEAVE WARNER ALONE... HE NEVER DID NUTHIN TO YOU!
snoochies :)
December 30, 2008 - 06:56 ET by Miss Cheviousawwww sweetie just think of youself as "Senatorial". You too have the ability to "revise and extend" your remarks. :)))
LOL Well, I can at least be
December 30, 2008 - 07:02 ET by Warner Todd HustonLOL
Well, I can at least be a role model to the left and say that, yes, indeed, I can admit when I made a mistake.
I did not have spelling relations with that granddaughter, Bristol.
Hey, Pop
December 30, 2008 - 07:15 ET by littlemissmuffinDo you think we should bring back the chastity belt, or maybe the duenna? Better yet, just lock ALL teenagers in the dungeon until they are 30. Parents can teach morality and values to their children, but when they are not within our eyesight, we have NO control over what they do. Do you remember being a teenager? Did your parents have complete and total control over what YOU did? You don't know the Palins. You don't know WHAT values they taught their children.
John 8:1-11 Let him without sin cast the first stone.
Matt. 7:1 "Do not judge, or you too will be judged."
Remembering little Caylee Anthony (2005-2008). May justice be served.
I don't know I was properly educated
December 30, 2008 - 08:42 ET by PopularTechI never did drugs, got drunk or knocked up any girls and when I did have sex later in life, I used protection. But crazy me for thinking and being taught this. Maybe the fear of the bible doesn't work.
I do know they didn't do a good enough job.
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Sorry Pop
December 30, 2008 - 09:16 ET by littlemissmuffinDidn't know you were perfect. My mistake.
Remembering little Caylee Anthony (2005-2008). May justice be served.
Not Perfect just Educated
December 30, 2008 - 10:07 ET by PopularTechMy parents made sure of it (insane idea).
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Ewww
December 30, 2008 - 10:33 ET by StarAZYour parents went on dates with you?
Interesting...
December 30, 2008 - 17:45 ET by UnsaneIs you dad Ingsoc's Mr. O'Brien? Was your bedroom Room 101?
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Fear of the bible?
December 30, 2008 - 20:05 ET by CobraMan"Maybe the fear of the bible doesn't work."
Maybe you don't know what you're talking about! You just highlighted your own lack of religious understanding. NO ONE fears the bible. It's GOD that tends to instill fear into people, not the written word.
BTW, Christians like the Palin's believe that God is a loving god, who is forgiving to those who admit their sins and are willing to make amends. Bristol is keeping her child. She has admitted her sins and is making amends for them. Why can you FORGIVE her for that? Are you better than GOD?
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
No it is much better to get your daughter knocked up
December 30, 2008 - 08:39 ET by PopularTechAnd then run for president on a family values platform - LMAO!
I would respond to your ridiculous comments but I can't stop laughing.
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PopT
December 30, 2008 - 10:27 ET by BlondeYou derail yet another thread....and here I thought you were on double secret probation or somesuch.
But while you're at it, please explain for me exactly how Sarah Palin got her daughter knocked up. Your words:
No it is much better to get your daughter knocked up
Inquiring minds want to know.
And don't insult me, either.
Ah, crickets chirp, Pop
December 30, 2008 - 11:07 ET by BlondeYou make a totally stupid and indefensible statement....and then just leave it alone while harrassing other posters, calling them liars, and making things up about them.
How typical of your boorish behaviour here.
It is called watching a movie
December 30, 2008 - 14:13 ET by PopularTechI find it more entertaining then defending my sarcastic comments.
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Oh "sarcasm".....Riiiiight.
December 30, 2008 - 14:17 ET by BlondeLooked like stupidity to me.
There's this little thingy called <sarc>.
But I guess since you can't link to it....you wouldn't know that, eh?
It is called sarcasm
December 30, 2008 - 14:11 ET by PopularTechAnd don't lie about me either.
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Ah so
December 30, 2008 - 14:15 ET by BlondeI ask you to explain one stupid statement of yours....and this is your reply?
That's gotta be the biggest loser I've ever seen you post, PopT.
Why don't you toss an f-bomb at me, just to make my day complete.
Um... isn't the heading for this piece wrong?
December 30, 2008 - 07:26 ET by tim_gallantDon't you mean "grandson," not "granddaughter"?
:\
http://www.changeint...
Ah
December 30, 2008 - 07:27 ET by tim_gallant... fixed now. :)
http://www.changeint...
Had enough
December 30, 2008 - 07:47 ET by wildcatHey PT,
why so negitive? what happen to the positive side?
our first was before we were married and we have enjoyed a wonderful and loving 33 years so far!
Sarah Palin is NOT an exception
December 30, 2008 - 07:50 ET by Retired GeekSarah Palin is NOT an exception - there are millions of women like her.
When I first read the Palin resume I thought I was reading the resume of my wife or one of my daughters or hundreds of other women I have worked with.
Strong, smart, exceptional shot with a handgun or rifle. Career of excellence, good mother able to out fish most anyone.
Multi-tasker, common sense able to handle almost any job, home and family.
Strong values and fearless in the face of anyone trying to attack her husband or children.
I have said for years, I fear no man and only one woman - the fear that I might fall short of her faith in me, her trust, her confidence.
She has been my best friend and advocate 42 years - long live women like my wife and Sarah Palin.
Yes there are millions of unqualified women
December 30, 2008 - 08:45 ET by PopularTech...who should not be POTUS. And?
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Let me use a little ---
December 30, 2008 - 09:09 ET by kdizzydazeObambi defense of the left to spoil your "Palin unift to be VP" logic.
She is over the age of 35 and was born in the United States of America.
Sounds qualified to me - at least every bit as much as Barry O
Good one thanks for playing....
December 30, 2008 - 10:06 ET by PopularTech..."I have no idea who I am talking to"
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Are you STUPID?
December 30, 2008 - 20:12 ET by CobraManSarah wasn't running for POTUS,. Why keep insisting that she was?
BTW, The Constitution says NOTHING about someone's premarital activities, or the premarital activities of someone' children, as being part of the qualifications for POTUS. As far as the Constitution is concerned, Sarah is more than qualified. Why is this so hard for you to accept?
Let me tell you this, Pop. Sarah is FAR more qualified that you can ever be! Don't believe me? Try running for office yourself and see what happens.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
When she first spoke, my own daughter said...
December 30, 2008 - 10:30 ET by StarAZWhen Sarah gave her first speech, my daughter, 26, said, "Mom, that woman could do anything." I agree. I have lost friends over this ("You used to be smart, what happened?" etc).
Liberals Hate Real Women
December 30, 2008 - 07:57 ET by Retired GeekThe world was fighting for its life during World War II.
Madmen had declared War against humanity and were intent on destroying freedom and any man, woman or child that stood in the way.
Most women were homemakers and few knew how to work in factories and weld and create tanks and armaments.
Their husbands, fathers, brothers and neighbors were fighting this evil and many were dying everyday.
These soldiers needed supplies and equipment and almost every able bodied man was in another land fighting for all they held dear.
Women by the millions, volunteered to work and make the equipment and supplies that were so desperately needed.
Women had to work hard and learn fast, to save their men and Country.
The female pilots of WW2, who throughout the war, and at great risk to their safety, ferried bombers across the Atlantic to replenish those lost over Europe.
Women had to manage long exhausting hours and still take care of the family.
Women like Sarah Palin, took charge and scrimped and did without, with little thought for themselves.
God Bless the American Woman!
It's a shame PopularTech's
December 30, 2008 - 08:07 ET by marvlIt's a shame PopularTech's parents didn't practice what he preaches, and avoided conceiving yet more surface scum on the human gene pool. It's getting harder and harder to find clean water in it because of people like him.
PopularTech, do us all a favor and refrain from procreating. You'd make an abysmal parent and would no doubt produce offspring destined for the walls of America's post offices.
As for Sarah Palin, there just isn't anything bad you can say about the lady. If everyone in America had a little bit of her and her family in them, this would be the great country it once was.
Thank you
December 30, 2008 - 08:48 ET by PopularTechThank you for the kind words. It is always nice to not be a part of the collective.
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Funny
December 30, 2008 - 08:41 ET by moderncommentaries83I just always preferred to compare and contrast:
While not ideal, Bristol Palin, her fiance, and her family gathered 'round to support her and the child.
A certain other candidate, speaking about his own unplanned grandchildren, referred to them as "punishments"...
Which family would you prefer to be in? I think the answer is simple: not the one that would make you go out and abort your child.
Aut viam inveniam aut faciam
I think it's a shame
December 30, 2008 - 08:49 ET by Karinthat PopTech hijacked this thread. This person is so tiresome, I don't have the patience to read the comments. Responding to his first post, about marijuana, I would ask, "does a coke snorter and dope smoker make a good POTUS?" No.
Be that as it may, congratulations to Sarah and her family.
Remember who you are talking to
December 30, 2008 - 08:56 ET by PopularTechOf course Obama is a joke POTUS and absolutely unqualified, I think you are confused about who you are talking too.
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What does "qualified" mean
December 30, 2008 - 09:55 ET by Warner Todd HustonWhat does "qualified" mean to you?
Mitt Romney - relevant
December 30, 2008 - 10:05 ET by PopularTechMitt Romney - relevant education and private sector experience.
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HST
December 30, 2008 - 12:47 ET by UnsaneDid you know Harry Truman had NO college degree?
PopTech's above post = "WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!! I WANT ROMNEY!!!" (During which such screaming as befitting a three year old, PopTech throws such a violent temper tantrum, he destroys his home and goes after those of his neighbors.)
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Harry Truman?
December 30, 2008 - 14:18 ET by PopularTechAnd? I am no fan of Truman.
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You are conveniently missing the point. So here it is
December 30, 2008 - 17:50 ET by UnsaneAnd Palin, in spite of your snobbery, has more of an education than did Truman. I could care less if you were a fan of his or not, but the fact remains that he was President of the United States WITHOUT a college degree (horrors!!!) AND he won re-election, at that! But then, much to your dismay, I am sure, the list of qualifications to be President in Article II of the Constitution is actually quite short and they say nothing whatsoever about education.
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
Sorry, PT, but sadly, Romney is a RINO.
December 30, 2008 - 14:29 ET by R D HelmAnd I don't care if he has a wall that is paperd from end to end, floor to ceiling with advanced degrees, it won't change that fact.
-Dave
I voted for Romney...
December 30, 2008 - 17:53 ET by Unsane...but only because I decided that voting the "None of the Above" option available on TX ballots was a candy-ass way to go about it. He was the least irritating option at the time that hadn't dropped out.
All of this reminds me of how crappy and irritating the whole primary season was in 2007-2008...
"THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING!!! A WAR ON FREEWILL IS COMING!!!" - Nevermore, "Bittersweet Feast", from This Godless Endeavor (2005)
PopTech you are a idiot.
December 30, 2008 - 10:13 ET by jarrett.edwardsI don't understand your talk of hypocrisy. You can still be against teenage pregnancy and support Sarah Palin. I have never believed that parents should be responsible for what their teenagers do. I guess we should have kicked Bush out cause his daughters drank underage, oh I forgot that doesn't matter because he is a man and is not responsible for managing his family. But we didn't stop supporting Bush over it because he could not have been expected to be with his children every moment and throw the drink out of their hand. It is not hypocritical to be against teen pregnancy and yet support the child when it happens. Thank God, that Sarah and Todd Palin raise their daughter in such a way that she had her baby instead of aborting it. Would it be better if we ostracized mother and daughter for life because of a mistaken moment of passion. Also, I'd be interested to know whether you have ever done any genealogical research into your own family and discovered that something similar might have happened in your family. No family is 100% pure! And, to say that they did not teach their child about birth control is stupid, the teens might have even used it we don't know no birth control is 100% accurate, even condoms and birth control pills.
May God Bless the Palins and their new baby.
Only a hypocrite could support Palin
December 30, 2008 - 10:20 ET by PopularTechPlease don't ever preach to anyone about teenage pregnancy if you support Palin since it is hypocritical. I don't see Romney's sons knocking up teenage girls, I wonder why that is?
Birth control is very effective used by anyone competent.
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Poop-deck
December 30, 2008 - 10:27 ET by botgobviously you have no children and know no one who has children. You live with a fictious world view where children are perfect and always abide by the ideals of their parents.
Well that or you're just a bigger idiot than i previously gave you credit for.
----- Radical Liberal
Good Lies!
December 30, 2008 - 10:35 ET by PopularTechThey get better with each desperate post - LMAO!
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Lies???
December 30, 2008 - 10:43 ET by botgAre you also reading deficient? It was an either or and you self-select answer B?
Absolutely confirming --- you're just a bigger idiot than i previously gave you credit for
----- Radical Liberal
Clueless?
December 30, 2008 - 10:47 ET by PopularTechIf I state lies to your either or question, that means they are lies.
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further proving my
December 30, 2008 - 10:56 ET by botgfurther proving my contention poppy!
your juvenile viewpoint on the subject reveals an extreme lack of real-world experience. You deny a lack of real-life experience which in turn confirms that you are a bigger idiot than i previously gave you credit for
i guess that you believe that just sticking your fingers in your ears saying "lies lies lies" strenghtens your position? No it proves my contention.
----- Radical Liberal
Further proving your mental condition
December 30, 2008 - 10:59 ET by PopularTech...is not stable since you have been 100% wrong so far. Thanks for playing.
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Good morning PT
December 30, 2008 - 11:05 ET by cocodrieGood morning PT
no i'm pretty sure i'm
December 30, 2008 - 11:10 ET by botgno i'm pretty sure i'm correct, you're just too idiotic to have the capacity to follow the logic. That's why your best posts are naught but links as you seem incapable of logic.
----- Radical Liberal
I sure hope you don't claim
December 30, 2008 - 10:39 ET by Warner Todd HustonI sure hope you don't claim that Romney is a conservative!!!!
Teenage pregnancy is not a social con issue
December 30, 2008 - 10:44 ET by choselife3xSex out of wedlock is. No matter what the age.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Teenage Pregnancy is not a Social Conservative Issue?
December 30, 2008 - 10:50 ET by PopularTechLMAO! Are you serious? This is just stupid.
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IF THEY ARE MARRIED
December 30, 2008 - 11:01 ET by choselife3xThere is nothing immoral about it.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
I'm not the hypocrite you are!
December 30, 2008 - 11:25 ET by jarrett.edwardsI am not a hypocrite “I hate the sin but love the sinner.” I would only be a hypocrite if I believed in holding the parents responsible for the sins of their child. I do not, so I am not a hypocrite.
According to Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Main Entry: hyp·o·crite
Pronunciation: \ˈhi-pə-ˌkrit\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita, from Greek hypokritēs actor, hypocrite, from hypokrinesthai
Date: 13th century
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings
1: I do not have a false appearance of virtue or religion, and, since you do not know me or my life you can not judge me on this.
2: I am not acting in contradiction to my stated beliefs or feelings, since I refuse to hold parents responsible for the sexual actions of their teenage children. Therefore I am not a hypocrite, you should learn the meanings of words before you hurl accusations at others.
However, since you have stated that you are against the Fair Tax and voted for Bob Barr, that would make you a hypocrite, due to definition 2. Since he supports the Fair Tax! http://ontheissues.o...
Pop Tech you are making an assumption
December 30, 2008 - 14:33 ET by dark_dsYou are making an assumption about Romney's sons not knocking up teenage girls. Unless of course you know everything about the Romneys.... the truth is you dont know what has gone on in any other family other than your own .. and even that might be an assumption on my part. I have never responded to your posts because your posts make you seem like such an odd bird....one thing I will say is you seem to be an individual who has little humility.... which if your parents had done a good job raising you they would have attempted to instill humilty within your makeup... I can only assume they failed as teachers with you or you chose not to be humble, which would be a failure on your part
No, it isn't.
December 30, 2008 - 20:18 ET by CobraMan"Birth control is very effective used by anyone competent."
No, it isn't. My first born was conceived "unexpectedly" just two months into our marriage even though we used TWO forms of contraceptives, condoms AND spermaticide! There are no guarantees about contraceptives, NONE of them are 100 percent reliable.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Tech:
December 30, 2008 - 10:33 ET by redheadedtexanYou state that a parent must "control" their daughters. You "control" your daughter by locking her up in her room? Yeah right. A decent parent attempts to teach their child by example, but if the child fails, we don't throw them out of the house. We cope. We don't kill a new life because it's inconvenient. I hope you never have any kids because they will have one hell of a life, sir. Your "control" will drive them from you without a doubt, and you will have a miserable lonely old age, never visited by your family. And you will deserve it.
Thanks for not reading!
December 30, 2008 - 10:37 ET by PopularTechIt only makes you look as ridiculous as your post.
I got an idea why not be best friends with your kids and....
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"Helicopter" Parenting Doesn't Work, Either
December 30, 2008 - 12:22 ET by HoosierEmParents who hover over their children like helicopters are doing their children the real disservice.
From the day a child is conceived, they are working towards independence from mom and dad. They grow in the womb so they can live and breathe outside of the mother's body. They learn to walk and talk and interact with other people. They go to school and eventually leave home (hopefully). My goal as a parent was always to guide my son towards independence from his father and me because we may not always be there for him.
Bristol Palin made an adult decision to have sex and she is living with the "consequences" of her decision but what a beautiful consequence it is - a baby boy.
no surprise
December 30, 2008 - 10:39 ET by candanceThe media has to keep the "Sarah Palin is bad" mantra going at all costs. Can't afford for the masses to grow tired of Obama and start wondering if McCain/Palin would have been that bad.
As for PopTech, folks here need to just ignore him and move on, since he has completely dominated this thread from Post #1 as he does every single Palin thread here.
Pop hated Sarah even before he found out about Bristol and will continue on with his hate no matter what Sarah does. The details of his case don't really matter, whether he chooses to pick on Bristol's pregnancy, Sarah's resume, or stupid women who shouldn't be voting.
You guys should have been with us during the convention when the RNC was highlighting Cindy McCain's charity work and Pop was busy screaming about her being a "homewrecker." Good times!
So in short, Pop has shown himself to hate women in politics and have a low view of women's suffrage. He really doesn't care about teen pregnancy or hypocrisy - it's just another angle to hit Sarah.
I now eagerly await the honor of being called a liar. Come on Pop, don't let me down!
I'm a typical white person.
Candace never ceases to spread the lies
December 30, 2008 - 11:05 ET by PopularTechI don't hate Sarah, never did, I think she is unqualified. I still cannot believe someone as unqualified as her was chosen simply so McCain could pick a women over plenty of qualified people. I don't play identity politics and never will. This does not give you the luxury to lie about me like you continue to do.
Cindy was a homewrecker - news flash McCain cheated on his crippled wife with .... Cindy.
Please prove my hate for women in politics. This should be fun.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
hey poopy
December 30, 2008 - 11:12 ET by botgwho's Candace?
----- Radical Liberal
LOL botg
December 30, 2008 - 11:14 ET by Blondecan's not gonna like that!
hey J
December 30, 2008 - 11:17 ET by botgactually i expect our friend Candance will support my contention!
( sry Cadence )
----- Radical Liberal
lol bruce
December 30, 2008 - 11:40 ET by candanceWhatever happened to that cute little troll who called me Cadence?
I'm a typical white person.
C, i don't know which
December 30, 2008 - 11:46 ET by botgC, i don't know which one was that?
----- Radical Liberal