**UPDATE** Kieth Olbermann kicks in a few lies of his own on this story. With video below fold.
The national news has found its newest way to slam Governor Sarah Palin and that is to report heavily on any untoward actions made by her relatives by marriage -- or even soon to be marriage, for that matter. Next the Old Media will be strenuously looking for Palin neighbors that are unruly, Palin hairdressers that have parking tickets, Palin dog groomers that steal pens from work, and Palin fans that talk too loudly on cell phones while in a theater.
Now, it is beyond me why a person who is not yet even an official in-law by marriage of a public official is a major news story for a low-level drug bust. I can see where it might interest local media for a brief minute, but for this story to have spread all across the wires and the Old Media with nearly 1,000 stories on the national scene... well, it is rather silly, really. Evidence of the worst in tabloid maneuvers.
It's silly, of course, until one realizes that it is just another lame attempt by the Old Media to slime Governor Palin, even if it does have to be guilt by association. And it isn't even association by color of official government business, either. It is family business. In its zeal to slam Sarah Palin, Reuters even initially misreported the story to be Palin's daughter getting arrested for drugs instead of the soon to be Mother-in-Law. (my bold)
Mother of Bristol Palin's fiance arrested
Reuters
Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter, Bristol, has been arrested on drug charges, authorities said on Friday. Sherry Johnston, 42, was taken into custody at her ...
Oopsie.
But, seriously. Why is this a major news item?
Even more to the point of an organized Palin smear campaign is the constant choice of photos that accompany these stories. Invariably, the photos that accompany the story are not of Sherry L. Johnston, mother of Bristol's boyfriend, but of Bristol and boyfriend Levi or of Governor Palin herself.
A Google news search of the topic shows the actual perpetrator pictured but a few times while photos of Palin and Bristol and Levi are rampant. So, as is easily seen, this is just another exercise in Palin bashing. This news is of dubious import and the constant focus on Sarah, Bristol and Levi are wildly over drawn.
Now, let's deal with the moonbat's and their take on this story...
The hatemongers on the left are using this story to compare Governor Palin's Obama jab that he "pals around with terrorists" to her being forced into a familial relationship with this woman arrested for a drug offense. The idiotti on the far left are saying that this means she is "palling around with drug dealers."
So, let's point out the logical flaw with these dolt's logic, shall we?
First of all no one choses their in-laws. We all have extended family that we would rather not be associated with. But in-laws are a package deal with the loved one we do choose. And, since neither Governor Palin herself, nor her soon to be son-in-law or daughter have any known involvement in this crime, there is no legitimate reason to say that Palin "pals around with drug dealers." There is no active choice, here, no close association by either affinity or ideology.
Secondly, is the moonbat left saying that Governor Palin should forcefully forbid her daughter from marrying the man she wishes to marry because his mom is a bit unsavory? Isn't that the sort of authoritarian, overly strict method of parenting that the moonbats are against? Aren't they the ones so enamored of the obscene Dr. Spock way of letting children do whatever they wish to do without a cross word being spoken? Let's be honest that the alternative to having Sherry Johnston as a mother-in-law is certainly to forbid Bristol from marrying Levi. Would the left not howl at the moon like the slobbering cretins they are if it were discovered that Sarah Palin had forbidden her daughter to marry the man she loves?
Further, does no one on the left have a relative by marriage that they would not chose to be associated with? Or is it that these moonbats are the ones that others would rather not be associated with?
The reality is, Governor Palin did not choose Sherry Johnston as a mother-in-law to her daughter. No one really chooses their in-laws in this society. On the other hand, Barack Obama did choose to be friends with and to work closely with a veritable cornucopia of American haters, terrorists, racists and extremists.
So, the facts and the logic of the matter dictates that to say that Palin "pals around with drug dealers" is a stupid claim to make. However, to say that Obama "pals around with terrorists" is true as can be. But, once again, facts, logic and truth do not matter to leftists and Democrats.
As always, the moonbats fly high, but their intelligence remains subterranean.
**UPDATE** Oblermann puts this story on his show... and LIES about it.
On his Dec. 19 broadcast, screaming mimi Keith Olbermann lied about what sort of drug Johnston was arrested for. He tried to make her offense a Methamphetamine arrest, which would be a far worse one than the Oxycontin-related offense that it really was. After all, Meth has to be made by the criminal dealer whereas Oxycontin is made by legitimate drug manufacturers and merely illegally distributed.
Oblbermann's "point" about Palin's "palling around with drug dealers" sort of proves my point above about how the hatemongers on the left are illicitly and illogically twisting this story, too. (As usual, JasonC and Shawn proven wrong LOL)
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What the F**k
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 06:37 ET by richb313Just when you think you have seen the lowest of the low the MSM goes and does it again. We now have a new low, meanwhile the MSM cries havoc when Fox reports on direct contacts between the chosen one and real unsavory individuals who could have influence over the highest elected office in the land. Go Figure.
I commented on that in the
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 07:07 ET by motherbeltI commented on that in the OT yesterday.....something about three degrees of separation to Sarah Palin. That's how the game will be played from now on.
Criminals, even traffic offenders, will have their histories searched to find out if they contributed to Palin's campaign!
They are a disgrace.
While...
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 07:10 ET by Warner Todd HustonWhile the media strains to find 2, 3, even 10 degrees of separation with Palin they won't even talk about no degrees of separation when it comes to close associates of the Obamesiah! We aren't even allowed to talk about his wife and grandmother!
I think we have a problem
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 08:01 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsObama snorts coke and rooms with a drug smuggler : no problem.
Palin has an in-law who smoked a joint : big problem.
No double standard here.
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Right. Obama has his
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 09:07 ET by SeashellRight. Obama has his picture taken smoking a doobie and nothing is said. Can you imagine what would have happened if a similar picture of Palin had surfaced?
Guilt by association?
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 09:52 ET by littlemissmuffinSo, Sarah Palin is guilty of associating with a would-be in-law, but "That One" isn't guilty of associating with his terrorist, America-hating, corrupt buddies? Just how low can the MSM go?
"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!"
I don't understand whether
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 09:55 ET by sherylsimsI don't understand whether they don't SEE the double standard, or if they have just gotten away with so much for so long they just don't care that they have a double standard, at least they are getting to have their way. It is so aggrivating to me to be able to see it clearly and know that more people are blind to it than those who are "onto" it.
Are we forgetting already
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 14:28 ET by JasonCAre we forgetting already that Bush was caught with coke as well? Conservatives tended to brush that one off as I recall. So what do you know, a person's specific ideology plays into whether or not they think a politician's indiscretions are worth getting huffy about. Stop the presses.
Of course, doing blow decades ago, or being a reformed alcoholic, or "not inhaling" (yeah right, Bubba), or having a future in-law who likes to do a little crank on the side, has nothing to do with one's ability to govern or be productive. None whatsoever. The surfacing of those stories and/or pictures affects politicians because of two distinct reactions: ideologically-opposed opportunists and knee-jerk pro-drug war hypermoralists. Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that these things mean nothing other than that the politicians are human and might have other humans in their social circle.
So while I think the hubbub concerning Palin and her daughter's boyfriend's mother is irrelevant, I still can't help but think "You reap what you sow, Sarah." This is a woman who spent two solid months failing to advance any sort of political platform or solution to problems that she generally didn't even seem to understand. She therefore had precisely two methods of campaigning:
1. Spouting nonsensical platitudes that only appealed to anybody because of the down-home way in which they were articulated (so to speak).
2. Blasting Obama for guilt by association. Obama was once in the same room as Bill Ayers. Obama and Bill Ayers co-chaired a charity. Over and over, like a broken record.
It is in the context of point #2 that, while I personally don't think Palin should in any way be judged by this woman's actions, I have a hard time feeling much sympathy.
Finally, is anyone else surprised that the Bristol didn't get married before the birth date? I don't care one way or another, but I just assumed that would be a priority. Apparently it's less of a shotgun wedding than one could have reasonably guessed.
Sorry Jason you lose
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:01 ET by cocodrieThe accusation of cocaine use was made in James Hatfield's book about President Bush. The book was actually recalled by the publisher,St. Martin's Press in Oct. 1999. The allegations were never proven nor admitted to. Hatfield however was proven to be a Bush-hater and his book is filled with unproven allegations.
The Chosen One however has admitted his use.
You lose on point no. 2 also
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:08 ET by cocodrieThe chosen One launched his political career in Bill Ayers' home. They have been close neighbors and friends for many years.
I posted these two items separately because I wasn't sure your little mind could handle two thoughts at one time.
As to point one, the issue
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:34 ET by JasonCAs to point one, the issue is still on the table. Bush denies denying the cocaine accusation, and there is still legitimate evidence that he did. I could care less myself.
As to your second, let's see your sources as to Obama and Ayers being "close neighbors and friends." Even the launching his political career thing is pretty specious, since that was an event for Obama's predecessor, not Obama himself. It's about as credible as saying Bush was i league with Abramoff because the two have attended events together.
All this rubbish aside, my post is about the reaction of the public to these sorts of non-scandals; I am not trying to equivocate anything or bash conservative politicians - including Sarah Palin. I think she's a joke as far as national politics, and an obnoxious person to boot, but those traits are in no way shaped by the behavior of her daughter's boyfriend's mom.
James Hatfield
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:49 ET by cocodrieis a convicted felon who admitted he lied about some things in his book. You present these lies as fact. Not nice at all.
"...and an obnoxious person
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 03:44 ET by RESTLESS 1"...and an obnoxious person to boot..."
Why would you consider Palin obnoxious? Because she is Pro Life. Personally, I find those that support death of children beyond the pale and narcisstic to boot. You included.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
The obnoxious part referred
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 12:12 ET by JasonCThe obnoxious part referred to the way she presents herself, not her positions.
So, a good looking,
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 12:35 ET by expatriotSo, a good looking, confident, forceful woman threatens you. Cowboy up dude, unless you are a metro, in which case that could pose a problem.
I'm sorry "dude", but that
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 17:58 ET by JasonCI'm sorry "dude", but that is such a stupid post. First of all, if you were to say you find Obama's attitude and personality grating and offputting, I'm sure you'd have no problem with someone saying you're just threatened by black people, right?
Second of all: "Metro"? "Cowboy up"? Way to reference those cultural catchphrases at the peak of their relevance. I guess pop culture from 2002 is just now reaching you across the pond, huh?
Stupid??
Mon, 12/22/2008 - 03:34 ET by expatriotSpeaking of stupid posts, I've just read one. Hit a nerve did I? You need to get in touch with something, dude.
Speaking of stupid posts,
Mon, 12/22/2008 - 10:08 ET by JasonCSpeaking of stupid posts, I've just read one
Aw, damn...like rubber and glue, huh?
Jason the Absolute Moron
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 03:28 ET by MrShy2. Blasting Obama for guilt by association. Obama was once in the same room as Bill Ayers. Obama and Bill Ayers co-chaired a charity. Over and over, like a broken record.
"Once in the same room" translated is, Bill Ayers was at a party that supported and launched Obama's political career. They co-chaired a charity together. THEY were neighbors AND friends. Their kids went to the same school.
Close associates. And for many years.
Ayers is a former domestic terrorist and current radical political and social activist for the far-left. Obama is our NEXT PRESIDENT.
Meanwhile, a woman got arrested for doing some drug, and a minor offense, anyway. She happens to be Palin's daughter's future mother..... in-law.
Any far-reaching equivalency really does not exist, and we are all exhausting ourselves typing about this.
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Hey I agree with you, the
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 12:17 ET by JasonCHey I agree with you, the Palin/meth thing is outrageous. But in my opinion, she was out of line with the Obama/Ayers rhetoric that, as VP candidate, she got stuck with delivering over and over again. Do you really think Ayers called Obama up on the phone and invited him over to begin his senate run (you know, as soon as they finished spitting on the American flag)? None of this MEANS anything. Ayers is a free man, and Obama was eight when he committed domestic terrorism. Are you guilty by association with every neighbor or parent of your kids' friends? Your playing the exact little game the MsM is playing with Palin right now.
You see...
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 21:20 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou see JasonC, this is why people get exasperated with you here. You simply lie. And, you either KNOW you are a liar, or you are just too uninformed to know you are lying -- yet are arrogant enough to imagine you know what you are talking about. Either choice makes you less than desirable. Here are the direct LIES in the above...
Yes. That is EXACTLY what happened and it is a FACT. Ayers and Obama are close associates and friends. NOT just the most casual of acquaintances. Ayers had one of Obama's earliest fundraisers IN HIS LIVING ROOM. They have been close working associates and friends. Ayers has said so and Obama had said so during his run for the Senate. It takes an effort of willful ignorance to believe otherwise.
This is a meaningless talking point and you know it. It does not matter if Obama was 8, 25 or a fetus when Ayers was perpetrating his terrorism. For one thing, Ayers is proud of his terrorism and has dozens of times said that he thinks they did the right thing (and he said this when Obama was both an adult AND his friend), and for the second thing, it is idiotic to say that someone who was 8 when a terrorist was doing their worst can't grow up to BELIEVE that what was done when he was 8 wax the right thing! Taking your stupid 8-year-old concept as a rule would mean that no one would espouse Hitler's ideas today because they weren't alive when he was. But CLEARLY people take up his ideas quite despite the chronological reality. Obama grew up to ACCEPT Ayers' terrorism as justified and THAT is why he's palled around with him.
This is disingenuous and you know it. When someone CHOOSES to be an associate of someone, that is NOT mere "guilt by association." That is association with the guilty and THAT reflects on your character.
On the other hand, extended family members by marriage or neighbors CANNOT be a reflection on someone. There was NO CHOICE in that matter. None. Obama CHOSE to be friends with a terrorist. Sarah Palin DI NOT CHOSE to have a criminal for an in-law. That choice was made by someone else and she had no choice but to exist with the consequences of that choice.
So, you might just for once, want to stop lying. People might like you more.
"Liar" is a pretty hefty
Mon, 12/22/2008 - 16:36 ET by JasonC"Liar" is a pretty hefty accusation Warner. I'd prefer to say we have different interpretations on the facts Let's review a few things.
The notorious gathering at Ayers' home was a function at which Obama's predecessor announced that Obama was her first choice to take her senate seat. To suggest that Obama cherry-picked Ayers' home as the venue, or that this has any bearing on his political actions is borderline ludicrous. Isn't it more likely that then-senator Palmer and her associates made these arrangements, not Obama himself?
There is no evidence that Ayers has influenced Obama's political stance, and there is no evidence that they spend time together socially. My point about Obama only being a child at the time stands, and your rebuttal is pathetic. You write:
[that] would mean that no one would espouse Hitler's ideas today because they
weren't alive when he was. But CLEARLY people take up his ideas quite
despite the chronological reality. Obama grew up to ACCEPT Ayers'
terrorism as justified and THAT is why he's palled around with him.
Except, of course, that it is a matter of subjective opinion as to whether Obama does accept Ayers' past actions. He has uncategorically denounced them - so how do you argue that he sees them as justified? He's never said that he does, nor has he suggested any sort of policy that squares in any way with domestic terrorism. As far as I can tell, most anti-Obama posters see his tax policy and desire to negotiate with hostile countries before bombing them and believe it is anti-American. Then they hear the Ayers accusations and assume that must be where he got it. You know, all that time they spend shooting pool and knocking back Bud together, right?
Which brings us to the "palling around" accusation; Obama denies that he sees Ayers socially at all, much less 'pals around' with him. Maybe he's lying. But where's the evidence for that? I don't know for sure that he's telling the truth, and you don't know for sure that he isn't. But if you're going to loft such a serious accusation at someone, the burden of proof is on you, and both you and Palin appear foolish and vindictive when you make such claims with nothing concrete to back it up.
I agree, the guilt by association with neighbors and children's friends' parents thing is absurd. But I was responding to someone who plainly said that Obama was guilty because he lives near Ayers and their kids go to the same school. Do you not see the absurdity in that?
As to your final defense of Palin . . . I AGREE!!! I've said it over and over again. I can enjoy what I see as a bit of poetic justice even if I don't personally think she's culpable, can't I?
Dusavowed??
Mon, 12/22/2008 - 21:40 ET by Warner Todd HustonDisavowed?? Obama disavowed Ayers' past? You call having a hasty press conference 20 years AFTER he met the guy disavowed? Sorry, but I don't believe a word of it. OBVIOUSLY Obama's "disapproval" of Ayers was made only as a last second, cynical attempt to placate the press.
Come on. HOW can you believe Obama without a willful suspension of disbelief?
He pals around with the guy for 20 years, then, all of a sudden, when everyone is asking why, he thumps his chest and claims he hardly knew him (a lie) and that he now disagrees with that past (that never bothered him for 20 years?)???
Sorry, but anyone who believes Obama is allowing themselves to be fooled. What's more, they would NEVER believe the whole situation of it was happening in the other party.
You may have noticed it
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:22 ET byYou may have noticed it wasn't pot, but a Schedule 2 controlled substance. Limbaugh-approved. It wasn't "smoking a joint." Or are you just an iredeemable moron?
"Now this new scandal shouldn’t reflect on Governor Sarah Palin at all.
She didn’t choose the prospective mother-in-law nor is she responsible
for Sherry Johnson’s behavior. But she used that guilt by association
on Barack Obama and shouldn’t complain if the media mentions her name
in the same sentence as Sherry Johnston, by way of identification." - Digital Post
Agree or disagree?
By the way, she's not an in-law yet. Perhaps never.
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Warner
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 10:01 ET by shawn228I was reading your article and I don't deny Obama's relationship with Ayers might have been closer than he led on but......
where in the world did you get the impression that the article is insuating that Palin should forcibly stop their daughter from marrying that young man?
Here is an excerpt from the ariticle.
"Now this new scandal shouldn’t reflect on Governor Sarah Palin at all.
She didn’t choose the prospective mother-in-law nor is she responsible
for Sherry Johnson’s behavior. But she used that guilt by association
on Barack Obama and shouldn’t complain if the media mentions her name
in the same sentence as Sherry Johnston, by way of identification."
I am just curious on how you come to some of your conclusions Warner.
He had my vote
Shawn
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 11:08 ET by Warner Todd HustonI did not mean to say this particular moonbat said that Palin should forcibly stop her child from marrying Levi directly in her moonbat article. I had widened the scope of the criticism to "the moonbat left" and not necessarily that particular moonbat.
Still, even using your example, that particular moonbat refutes her own claim at having reasonable criticism against Palin. By claiming that Palin's point that Obama was palling with terrorists is somehow "just like" Palin's being stuck with a criminal possible mother-in-law for her daughter, this moonbat is directly equating the two. But, the two situations , Obama's and Palin's, are in no way at all similar for the reasons I outlined. Palin was RIGHT about Obama and this moonbat writer is simply a sophist over Palin.
As to the "forcibly stop Bristol from marrying" point, that would HAVE to be the solution to not having that mother-in-law. So, since the left is claiming that Sarah is somehow a hypocrite for having a criminal would be mother-in-law in the family, saying that is akin to her CHOOSING to pal around with drug dealers, the only solution to that situation would be to tell Bristol she isn't allowed to marry Levi -- hence the criminal mother-in-law problem goes away. And, since the moonbats imagine that they are skewering hypocrisy, and since the only way to eliminate the hypocrisy is to stop the marriage, the moonbats are PLAINLY saying that Sarah should stop the marriage to stop from being a hypocrite in their cockeyed eyes. This logical conclusion is QUITE despite the fact that they'd ALSO get upset if the marriage was stopped. So, their only solution is hypocritical to their own ideals.
See, THIS is the illogic of moonbattery. No logical follow through is made from their "thinking." They find what they THINK is a point and flog it despite there is NO logically sound reasoning involved.
No surprise here, history repeats.....
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 11:28 ET by expatriotWTH, Shawn,
It is ok to go after the children of the republican members of any branch of government, but not the children of the dhimmocrats.
The Bush daughters were often in the limelight in unflattering circumstances. How many times did we hear about the Bush twins out of control and being cited for underage drinking?
Anyone hear anything about Amy or Chelsea? Crickets chirping, yes?
Did we hear about the exploits of young algor? No, his drunk driving and drug taking were kept quiet. Deliberately so.
It should be no surprise after they went after the Palin children from the start that they would continue with any and all attacks, now through infinity!
She must really scare them for them to continue this libelous and slanderous reporting.
Youll...
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 11:35 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou'll get no argument from me on that. Of course, algore jr, Amy and Chelsea had one problem that Bristol and the Bush twins do not suffer from. All those Dem kids are ugly as sin and make for BAD faces on TV. The GOP kiddies are good looking kids, much easier on the eyes. Can you imagine waking up lying next to Amy or Chelsea? URGH!
NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:08 ET by expatriotWarner,
Thanks so very much for the mind picture. As I am six hours ahead of you and have to work tomorrow I will now have to start drinking heavily to stop the nightmares that are sure to manifest otherwise. OUCH! Only four hours to bed time.
Your point is dead on. I just don't need the nightmares. :)
To add to your list Warner....
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:24 ET by BlondeBoth good and bad.
Jeb Bush's daughter was arrested for some kind of prescription drug charge and that was splashed endlessly over the news here in Florida.
Now, as far as the good looking GOP kids, you forgot the JFK Jr. of our side, George Prescott Bush....and I suspect the kid got his dad's smarts, too. Hoping, anyway, if this dynasty thing keeps going.
I wouldn't worry too much
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 14:33 ET by JasonCI wouldn't worry too much about that last bit, Blonde. What do you think it would take to get another Bush elected president in this country? I'm thinking it would involve porcine aviation and 31 degrees (F) in Tartarus.
Howdy Jason
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:53 ET by acumenhope you are well. I'd like to take a crack at answering your question:
What do you think it would take to get another Bush elected president in this country?
Liberals that actually practice their signature mantra of tolerance.
A non-biased media.
A Democrat politician that puts more value on a promise made to stand united, "shoulder to shoulder" than values personal political gain.
A grateful citizenry that acknowledges Dubya's exceptional success in preventing another terrorist attack in the US even as most American thinkers were predicting with almost unanimous certainty another, more devestating attack would soon occur.
In short - a miracle.
Good day Acumen. You more
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:02 ET by JasonCGood day Acumen.
You more or less nailed it. When a huge segment of the country is reacting to their president having a shoe thrown at him by an attendee at a state function in another country as a joke rather than with indignation and umbrage, their is a serious problem. And indeed, the media has played an enormous part in keeping the public calibrated to treat an indignity visited upon Bush as one of amusement.
I do not fully buy the idea that Bush has necessarily protected us from another attack. It's great that one hasn't happened. Hopefully it won't. But to imply that this is because we invaded Iraq and put some rather Draconian domestic measures in place and fought tooth and nail for the right to waterboard detainees is not, in my opinion, necessarily correct. But I'll certainly give credit where it's due: Bush's first job after 9/11, and for the rest of his presidency, was to make sure another attack like it didn't occur. And it didn't. So...good for him (and I do not mean that snidely).
As for the shoulder to shoulder thing, let's not pretend Dems are the only ones to promise and then abandon such cooperative measures.
Jason the Absolute Moron Part II
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 03:40 ET by MrShyI do not fully buy the idea that Bush has necessarily protected us from another attack.
The responsibility of protecting your country from hostile nations and in a time of war falls squarely on the shoulders of that country's leader/president. Of course, you know that.
Bush and his administration protected us -- you, me, all of us -- from another attack, indeed.
I'll certainly give credit where it's due: Bush's first job after 9/11, and for the rest of his presidency, was to make sure another attack like it didn't occur. And it didn't.
Wha? Only morons say two distinctly contrary things in one post.
Okay, I'm off to find moron post #3 from you (Jason).
Btw, Merry Christmas. This is all in good fun.
:)
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Jason from planet ????????
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 03:59 ET by expatriotJason you have been making unsupported statements that you indicate are factual for some time now.
But to imply that this is because we invaded Iraq and put some rather Draconian domestic measures in place and fought tooth and nail for the right to waterboard detainees is not, in my opinion, necessarily correct.
Which draconian measures are you refering to? We waterboarded three detainees and received priceless intelligence as a result. KSM sang like a canary and provided invaluable intelligence that we were able to exploit. And it all happened on Bush's watch.
As to all of the Palin bashing, you are not qualified to judge her and her accomplishments. You strike me as one who would support Princess Caroline/Sweet Caroline to be appointed as the next NY senator. Princess/Sweet has exactly no qualifications for the seat, but that won't stop you from supporting her, just as you supported a non qualified inexperienced junior senator from illinois.
Really? We waterboarded
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 12:10 ET by JasonCReally? We waterboarded exactly three detainees? And what information, precisely, did we extract from that? Sources please.
To you and MrShy, my comment was meant to communicate that I give credit to Bush for presiding over a country which was not attacked again after 9/11. But it would be a huge stretch to posit causality between that fact and Iraq, The Patriot Act, and Guantanamo. Correlation, yes. Big difference.
As to all of the Palin bashing, you are not qualified to judge her and her accomplishments.
By that logic, no one here is "qualified" to criticize any political figure. I'd better not see you make any snide remarks about community organizers in the future...
You strike me as one who would support Princess Caroline/Sweet Caroline to be appointed as the next NY senator.
You'd be wrong. Just because I have leftist beliefs and positions does not mean I buy into b---s--t political dynasty nonsense.
just as you supported a non qualified inexperienced junior senator from illinois.
If by "supported" you mean I voted for him, as the slightly better of the two tickets (Sarah clinched that one) in an overwhelmingly blue state in which my vote meant nothing, and sometimes defend him against the more outrageous accusations leveled on NB, then I guess you're right. It's not like I was out there campaigning or donating money though. I'm glad he won, but I'm no Obamaniac, believe me. Those who believe he's going to swoop in and fix everything have a rude awakening coming there way.
Some info you may have missed
Mon, 12/22/2008 - 03:49 ET by expatriotHere is a link to one of the three reported individual who were waterboarded. I will allow you to investigate the other two on your own. It might help you in future academis pursuits.
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/transcript_ISN10024.pdf
What is your hang up with Sarah? You have not given any concrete reason other than you just have a visceral dislike of her. With that being said, you should understand the dislike for the annointed one that is often expressed here. The difference is that we have specific reasons that can be expressed easily. He is hiding his past, he is voluntarily associating with known domestic terrorists, he has an anti-American view of life, and he is tied to orgainized criminals.
Har har har
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:24 ET byLotsa class, "Warner." Most of it gutter low. Post your picture on your bio and let me have at you.
Colemine1210
ScoreCard
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:28 ET by Free StinkerWarner: 1
ColemTroll: 0
Now, back to your bridge !
What would Chelsea have
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:42 ET by JasonCWhat would Chelsea have been scrutinized for? Getting straight A's at Stanford? I think there was one time where she was seen drunk going from a nightclub to a limo, but she was also of age at the time. While I won't deny that there was a bit of anti-Bush schaedenfraude in the Jenna/Barbara tabloids, they were getting in trouble for underage drinking, public disruption, possession of fake IDs. Juicy stuff when they're the daughters of a self-style family values president.
And let's not forget, the public consumed this stuff. The media wouldn't have kept putting it on the front page if people didn't buy it. Let's spread the blame around if we're talking about a double standard.
Al Gore's daughters were
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:44 ET by Free StinkerAl Gore's daughters were caught under-age drinking. Only American Spectator reported it.
Update: This happened when he was V.P.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
Didn't know that, but if
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:49 ET by JasonCDidn't know that, but if it's the case, then you have a fine point.
Free... Not sure about
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:53 ET by JerFree...
Not sure about the coverage of Gore's daughter's drinking, but the travails of his son were certainly widely reported.
And the press had a field day with Billy Carter, albeit more from the "beer guzzling, good ole boy" angle.
Jer
Al Gore
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 23:51 ET by choselife3xHas daughters?!
Poor things, I can't imagine how ugly they must be. Of course, it would be hard to beat Kerry's daughters. *shudder*
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Warner
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:07 ET by shawn228I was going with the links you provided. Two of them, were showing different assorted links and there was only one article linked, that is why I went with that one.
I realize there is a lot more to the story, but the left is saying that Obama was on the same board as Ayers and it was not like Obama picked Ayers as a pal by choice.
And they are calling her a hypocrite but the part of implying they should forcibly stop Bristol from marrying is your own conclusion not the moonbat left.
Just like Al Gore is a hypocrite for using so much electricity in his house, but no one can just say a blanket statement like the neocons tell him he has to sell his house. That would not be very fair to conservatives would it?
edit
The article also said it was not Palins fault what her future mother in law does
He had my vote
Not so fast...
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:14 ET by expatriotShawn,
Stanley Kurtz showed definitive links to Ayers and Obama. In fact he shows that Obama went to Chicago looking for the Ayers and Wrights of the world. The reason is that they are all birds of a feather.
Forgive me for not providing links but Kurtz has posted most of his investigative links and you should be able to find them.
Point is, Obama did seek out Ayers and the other problem children that he associates with.
Warner might have something off the top. I'll take a moment to look.
expatriot
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:19 ET by shawn228I believe you and no need to find the links. I have said twice to Warner already there is more to the Ayers story than meets they eye, My main point is disputing how Warner came to the conclusion the left is insinuating Palin should foricibly stop Bristol from marrying this man.
The article clearly said they don't blame Palin for her association with her future in law. I believe the conclusion is WTH and not the msm.
He had my vote
Shawn
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:24 ET by expatriotI see it as Warner taking it to a moonbat conclusion using some of their twisted logic to make his case.
I don't see him stating that the moonbats said that, rather using their logic, the outcome would be Palin denying her daughter the chance to marry her intended, Levi.
I don't see him stating that the moonbats said that
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:43 ET by shawn228"I don't see him stating that the moonbats said that"
Well ex patriot, I have to disagree. I thought WTH implied the msm was insinuating Bristol should not get married and blaming Palin for having an association with her mother in law.
"Secondly, is the moonbat left saying that Governor Palin should forcefully forbid her daughter from marrying the man she wishes to marry because his mom is a bit unsavory?"
"Let's be honest that the alternative to having Sherry Johnston as a mother-in-law is certainly to forbid Bristol from marrying Levi"
"Further, does no one on the left have a relative by marriage that they would not chose to be associated with? Or is it that these moonbats are the ones that others would rather not be associated with"
I guess I have to look more objectively and learn to not just jump to conclusions from what I read in the future ex patriot ;-)
He had my vote
No problem
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:45 ET by expatriotWTH is usually fairly cogent if you read him closely. :)
Ex Patriot
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:56 ET by shawn228I'm not debating on how cogent WTH is :-)
He had my vote
It reminds me of this
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 10:07 ET by muh-oonIt reminds me of this comparison http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/bushs.htm
I think George W. Bush will be the history book on double standards in the media, with Clinton and Obama the bookends.
I don't care how you all try to frame it...
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 10:20 ET by BKeyserclearly, Sarah Palin is at fault for this! If she had a better leash on people in her state, there wouldn't be these types of problems to report on! Come on Sarah! You're the Governor, for God's sake! Forget that the arrested has a tie to the family... that really doesn't matter. What matters is that this...woman...this moose-hunting, aw shucks-talking, practically illiterate....woman...can't control her state! She can't even stop government employees from emailing! She couldn't put out a fire at her own church! Clearly she's not ready to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. I say, fire away Old Media- you've got every right, and more importantly, the DUTY to not focus on Barry's problems. Thank God for journalists!
Trival Republican vs serious Democrat corruption
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 11:32 ET by needle“Next the Old Media will be strenuously looking for Palin neighbors that are unruly, Palin hairdressers that have parking tickets, Palin dog groomers that steal pens from work, and Palin fans that talk too loudly on cell phones while in a theater.”
I suspect that the reason that the Old Media is on a campaign to vilify the second and third degree of separation from Sarah Palin is because they have probably given up hope of ever catching the Governor Palin trying to sell patronage.
The thing to note at this point is that corruption of Democrat politicians is of NO consequence to the corrupt Old Media. But they put a premium of corruption of Republicans because they need every trival bit that they can uncover (even to the absurd extent we see here) to assuage their concern -- we cannot talk about conscience in this context -- about all the serious corruption of Democrats that the Old Media are sweeping under the rug.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
I wanna play this game
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:36 ET by bmovies"The idiotti on the far left are saying that this means she is "palling around with drug dealers."
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/smug_hill.jpg
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/cabreras.html
The Jorge Cabrera Scandal
First Lady Photo-OP with Convicted Cocaine Dealer
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/CAB/clintoncabrera.html
Over@google... they really
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:39 ET by Jack BauerOver@google... they really are evil SCUM.
This link is still up.
New! Get the latest news on bristol palin arrested with Google Alerts.
This just in........
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 12:47 ET by TheBigBThe brother in law of the day-care provider of a child of a man who shook hands with Sarah Palin in a receiving line in 2006 is under investigation for allegedly taking 14 items through a 12-item express line in a Wal-Mart.......
Obviously, the corruption of Sarah Palin continues and knows no depths or boundaries.
Artillery lends dignity to what would otherwise be a vulgar brawl.
Arrest him right now!
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 13:13 ET by littlemissmuffinArrest him right now! He has violated some liberal's civil rights!
"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!"
CNN Didn't Want to be Left Out of This Important Story
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 14:33 ET by Rush FanI just watched a piece on CNN Headline News regarding Gov. Palin's Mother-in-Law drug arrest. It was by CNN's Joe Johns. It was quite lengthy for a story of this inconsequence. Of course, most of the video showed Gov. Palin and her family.
-------------------------Thought for Today-------------------------
You can fool some of the people all
of the time and all of the people some
of the time, and that's sufficient.
----------------------------------------------------------
"There is no longer a media in this country. There is simply an established propaganda arm for the Democrat Party and any and all who relate to it in any way, elected and unelected." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Rejoice, and again I say - rejoice!
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 14:35 ET by Tom1969caI rejoice every time I see the media continue to attack Sarah Palin. Let's look at past VP candidates on losing tickets: did the media continue to attack John Edwards two months after he and John F'n Kerry lost the 2004 race? How about Joe Lieberman in 2000? Jack Kemp? Dan Quayle? Lloyd Bentsen?
The pattern with all those candidates is that (with the possible exception of Edwards) no one in the MSM likely ever gave any of them a shot at running for the Top Job. With Gov. Palin, however, conservatives were talking about her future in the Oval Office even whilst she was still campaigning for the VP's job.
They'll never admit it publicly, but the MSM obviously agrees with us: Sarah Palin is a serious threat to B. Hussein Obama in 2012, and therefore she must be destroyed as early as possible as a future candidate.
The irony is that, with attacks like this - where the connection is so spurious - the only things the MSM do are (1) continue to expose the raging PDS, and (2) continue to keep Gov. Palin's name in front of the American people.
With every story they write, the MSM lends further proof to Gov. Palin's claims throughout the campaign that the media was in the tank for the Democrats.
By 2012, most Americans will realize the MSM is irrelevant.
=====
Daily Sarah Palin fact:
Sarah Palin and Chuck Norris walk into a bar. The bar instantly explodes because no man-made structure can contain that much awesomeness.
I sincerely hope you're
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 14:47 ET by JasonCI sincerely hope you're right about Palin getting the 2012 nomination. It would be so perfectly entertaining. Palin provided more laughs this fall than the complete Fawlty Towers DVD set.
As opposed to Biden
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:08 ET by choselife3xStand up, Chuck, stand up! 'Clean and articulate', 'JOBS', 'Gird your loins, folks', 'Oops, there's a reporter in the room'
Hahahahahahaha.....
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Jason, you sure are a hateful little girl.
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:22 ET by cocodrieJason, you sure are a hateful little girl.
What makes you say that?
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:28 ET by JasonCWhat makes you say that? I'm sure you get a chuckle out of the public gaffes of unqualified liberal politicians.
But since you see fit to call me names and question my intelligence just because I don't submit to the Chuck Norrisesque awesomeness of the pitbull, I guess I could ask why you're being so whiny and petty and trollish. But I won't.
Please do!
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:30 ET byJason, Please do!! It's the only fun I get out of this absurd and infantile website.
Colemine1210
this absurd and infantile website
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:35 ET by Free Stinkerthis absurd and infantile website
And yet, you come here?
Colemine is PopTech's
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:07 ET by choselife3xEvil twin.
He comes here to relieve himself of the urge to defecate on all things conservative.
PopTech got all the brains, but they share their Palin Derangement Syndrome.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Poptech also knows how to spell coal mine.
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:13 ET by cocodriePoptech also knows how to spell coal mine.
Cocodrie my dear.....
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:26 ET by choselife3xCalling JasonC a girl....is far too great a compliment.
;-)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Geez, what did I do?
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:28 ET by JasonCGeez, what did I do?
You presented
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:49 ET by cocodriethe lies of James Hatfield as fact.
Did you choose life 3
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:04 ET by JasonCDid you choose life 3 times? I wasn't asking you.
Nonetheless, I've addressed that accusation below.
Jason
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:11 ET by cocodrieYou didn't address the question to anyone directly. You used the lies of a hateful criminal against George Bush.
Except my post wasn't for
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:17 ET by JasonCExcept my post wasn't for the purpose of going against George Bush. Believe me, if I could go back and add the word allegedly to that post, if it would mean I wouldn't be sitting here compulsively answering your obnoxiously irrelevant and mischaracterizing posts, I'd do it.
Now, do you care to back up as iron-clad fact all of the things that were stated as fact above concerning Obama, or are you content to be hypocritical and let vindictive half-truths stand when the concern the other side?
Jason
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:40 ET by cocodrieYou need to get away from your poisonous liberal sites and experience the real world.
First comment: No, actually
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 18:03 ET by JasonCFirst comment: No, actually he was nominated in the primary by registered Democrats and then elected in the general by a rather large majority of Americans. Your comment has as much integrity as a liberal who bleats about Bush being chosen by Big Oil.
Second: So?
Third: That's subjective and in and of itself doesn't indicate much.
Fourth: I'm not sure you know what a Socialist is. By the standards of most posters here, you'd think anyone who supports an income tax of any sort is a socialist.
I don't go to "liberal sites". This is the only political site I patronize. And frankly, my comments seem to be a lot more centrist and non-partisan than yours.
Jason you are being obtuse
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 19:44 ET by cocodrieAnd yes I am partisan. I am totally conservative and Christian and proud of both.
Air must breath different up there Coco
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 20:37 ET by general companyShame those guys, why is there no common sense? How does one survive with a brain like that?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
delete
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 22:35 ET by cocodriedelete
Good evening GC
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 22:32 ET by cocodrieGuess I was going on a bit but my bucket's about full. I've had enough of the insults toward President Bush and Gov. Palin.
Jason
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 18:07 ET by choselife3xI think you are blending me with cocodrie.
Seeing as how I am a hot 28 year old he probably won't mind though!
(choselife3x refers to my 3 gorgeous children, I'm a big time pro-lifer)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Nothing personal Jason
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:10 ET by choselife3x;-)
Girls just aren't that fond of 'girl' being used as an insult!
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Why not?
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:23 ET by JasonCWhy not?
maybe it's like libs not
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:28 ET by botgmaybe it's like libs not wanting to be called libs???????????
----- Radical Liberal
Hello Chose
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:28 ET by cocodrieI only have sons and grandsons, no girls. I was trying to make Jason see how petty and immature he was being. I'll go easy on the little girl remarks in the future
Don't sweat it, cocodrie!
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 18:12 ET by choselife3xI wasn't being serious.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
69 is a bit old to still be
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:29 ET by69 is a bit old to still be in 7th grade, isn't it?
Sorry. I'll play on your level. Nyah nyah nyah.......
Colemine1210
Welcome back FatesWebb
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:31 ET by Free StinkerWelcome back FatesWebb !!
And no, we didn't miss you!
free
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:32 ET by botgand add a Mobius-Drip to boot,
will the next incarnation be Escher-Stairs??
----- Radical Liberal
Hello Colemine
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:40 ET by cocodrieYou must be one of Jason's little friends that he is trying to impress.I've read your posts and find that you have less accurate information in yours than Jason does.
It's easy to insult your elders
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:15 ET by choselife3xAnd betters on a computer. If you had the nerve to disrespect him to his face, you'd be crying by the time he was done with you. He has never posted anything that could be called immature by any stretch of the imagination.
Go crawl back under your rock you classless jerk.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Assuming that 1969
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:30 ET by JasonCAssuming that 1969 indicates his birth year, I'm not sure he qualifies as an elder. I'll be pretty pissed if people start calling me an old fogey when I'm not even 40.
jase
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:35 ET by botgnot sure? did you fergit when you were born?
----- Radical Liberal
What? Take 2 seconds to
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:37 ET by JasonCWhat? Take 2 seconds to read the thread, we're not talking about me here.
You're right Jason
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:44 ET by cocodrieThis thread is about you and colemine using lies and unproven allegations to assassinate the character of President Bush, Sarah Palin and their families. You sound like two ten year olds ganging up on another girl.
Actually, the thread to
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:51 ET by JasonCActually, the thread to which you disingenuously refer is above. The current thread is about whether Chuck Norris and Sarah Palin are relatively equal in their respective quantities of awesomeness. Try to keep up.
As to your comment, I did not try to assassinate Bush's character - note that I included Obama and Clinton in my comment about past indiscretions and went out of my way to say I don't care about such things anyhow. As you so "astutely" pointed out, allegations against Bush are not proven - though the original poster in that thread stated as fact some things about Obama about which I would just LOVE to see cited sources. The point of my above post, since it has clearly gone over your head despite its clarity, had to do with how the pubic reacts to such scandalettes, as well as to admit that after the way she spent October slinging unfounded mud that was basically all predicated on guilt by association, it's hard to really feel bad for Palin being looked at by the media in this way - even though I personally don't buy into the idea that the crystal meth habits of Ms. Johnston matter worth a damn.
I read all of your posts
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:01 ET by cocodriein this thread again. Every single one seeks to destroy the character of Sarah Palin, President Bush or their families. You didn't mention Chuck Norris or anything else until this very last post.
That is unadulterated
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:06 ET by JasonCThat is unadulterated bullshit. Read my response to Acumen and tell me I'm trying to destroy Bush's character. Criticizing a politician does not amount to character assassination. I suppose every time you marshall that enviable 7th-grade-level verbal skill of yours to say something negative about Obama's policies or background to which you so vociferously object, you're really out to destroy him and his family? Get a grip.
jase
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:10 ET by botgdo be glad nothing after unadulterated appeared on the main page
----- Radical Liberal
Why? Is that grounds for
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:12 ET by JasonCWhy? Is that grounds for a bootin'?
grounds for bootin'?
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:24 ET by botgpossible i guess if you were a troll, poppy got a vacation for such i believe. whadda i know? i do know Matt would not appreciate such as he wants this place to be better than that.
anyway it's not like i have any say
----- Radical Liberal
I've actually used that
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:28 ET by JasonCI've actually used that exact phrase a few times and never heard anything about it. Never showed up in the subject line though. I had the F-word censored once, although no one said anything to me directly, it was just changed in my post. The only time I've ever been verbally warned was, interestingly enough, for using the phrase "homophobic". That struck me as odd. If posters are allowed to express their opinion that gay people are perverts and degenerates, I think I should be able to use a word, which is in the dictionary, to describe what I think that opinion portends. I guess it verged to closely on namecalling.
Personally, I think the occasional well-crafted, contextually-appropriate bit of profanity can add to, rather than detract from, the level of discourse. It does have it's place in language. But I can see disagreeing with that too, it's not like I'd use it in front of my grandmother and then argue that it has it's rhetorical place.
jase
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:35 ET by botgwe've both been here a while --- i was just reminding you of what you should know
check with Matt
----- Radical Liberal
Admitted Hijacker
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 22:34 ET by CobraMan"The current thread is about whether Chuck Norris and Sarah Palin are
relatively equal in their respective quantities of awesomeness. Try to
keep up."
So, you admit to hijacking the thread? Isn't that nice of you, drawing attention away from the actual SUBJECT.
Try to stay on topic.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Not one bit Cobra. The
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 23:19 ET by JasonCNot one bit Cobra. The original poster said he hopes Sarah Palin runs in 2012, I said I hope so too and Coco called me a hateful little girl. That's where I went into defense mode. Scroll up to get to the origin of the thread. And take your own admonition about thread hijacking while you're at it.
oh come on Jason
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 23:30 ET by candanceYou said you "hoped" Palin would run because she's such a joke it would give you entertainment. *That* is why you were called hateful.
I'm a typical white person.
candance... Jason is more
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 23:58 ET by Jercandance... Jason is more than capable of defending himself, but I fail to see where he labled Palin a "joke"--but rather her campaign would provide plenty of laughs and entertainment.
If you consider that to be hateful, I would invite you to review the scores of comments about Obama in past threads which take the concept of "hatred" to a whole new level.
Jer
well Jer
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 00:03 ET by candanceJason did not used the word "joke" but my paraphrase is not far off.
As to him being called hateful, I personally would not have called him that. I was mostly replying to his assertion that he merely, innocently said that he hoped she would run again.
I'm a typical white person.
Understood and
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 00:15 ET by JerUnderstood and understood.
Jer
Candace, yes, my saying it
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 13:44 ET by JasonCCandace, yes, my saying it "innocently" was meant as a joke, but be reasonable here, calling it hateful is pretty reactionary.
Asking you to stay on topic
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 23:40 ET by CobraManAsking you to stay on topic is hijacking a thread? What world do you live in again?
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
2 seconds
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:52 ET by botgwell Jase i just figured you'd not presume to speak for colemine but rather speak for yourself, was i mistaken are you taking up the mantle of our newly departed?
----- Radical Liberal
Still don't know what
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:56 ET by JasonCStill don't know what you're talking about, you're gonna have to spell it out.
69 is not his birth year
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:43 ET by choselife3xAnd elders and betters does NOT equal 'old fogey'.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Well I certainly didn't
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:53 ET by JasonCWell I certainly didn't know that, 3-timer; generally when someone has a 4-digit number in their screenname beginning with 1-9, it's natural to guess that it indicates the year of their birth. I was just, rather jokingly, pointing out that a 39-year-old isn't exactly an 'elder'.
I know Jason
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:25 ET by choselife3xBut I think you and I must be talking about 2 different people. Colemine was addressing cocodrie. He must have checked out his profile where cocodrie says he is 69. I took umbrage with what struck me as a particularly disrespectful attitude. I do happen to think that 69 years of accumulated wisdom and experience shouldn't be sneered at.
I didn't mean to sound short in my response to your post. The baby woke up at that point and I had to stop typing and go feed him. Again. :-)
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
Oh, gotcha, I thought he
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:38 ET by JasonCOh, gotcha, I thought he was talking about the guy who first brought up Chuck Norris. Coincidentally, he had '1969' in his name, so I took it that he was 39. My bad. I had no idea how old coco was.
I hear you on that last part :-)
Good evening Chose.
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:37 ET by cocodrieI didn't take that as an insult. I knew more when I was in seventh grade than most youngsters of today know when they get out of college. Some can't give you change of a dollar and can't construct a proper sentence to explain why. They also have no real knowledge of history, only what they read in their vile liberal sites.
As for the little girl comment, I had little sisters and Jason, Colemine and the others remind me of giddy ten year olds trying to impress one another.
Don't lump me in with the
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:43 ET by JasonCDon't lump me in with the newbies Coco, you know I always argue my points; and you're only picking on my more glib posts because you happen to disagree with the ideological stance.
And by the way, seeing you tacitly brag about your sentence structure skills is, um, shall we say, ironic.
Hope you keep on laughing
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:25 ET by Free StinkerHope you keep on laughing when she is sworn in Jan 2013
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
I think you're seriously
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:29 ET by JasonCI think you're seriously deluded if you think that has the remotest chance of happening, but I suppose I won't be any more upset than you will be next month.
Palintology
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:32 ET byWell said, JasonC.
Colemine1210
JasonC
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:34 ET by Free StinkerDon't worry about me. I won't be upset next month.
*My* happiness isn't dependant upon who is President.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
OK, fair enough. Can't
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:36 ET by JasonCOK, fair enough. Can't say my state of mind hinges on it either. I've had a decent 8 years. Still, the idea of Palin running the show is pretty scary.
Still, the idea of Palin
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:42 ET by Free StinkerStill, the idea of Palin running the show is pretty scary.
It sure seems to scare the MSM. Otherwise, why wouold they be running a story about someone Sarah Palin isn't even and in-law of yet?
I can't imagine what you find so scary about her.
"Gov. Palin has been subjected to one of the most massive and dishonest pile-on smear attacks in the history of liberal media." -- Lowell Ponte
I won't speak for the MsM,
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:48 ET by JasonCI won't speak for the MsM, but I have three major issues with her:
1. Her "Regular America" rhetoric is so blatantly divisive, and just demonstrates further her embrace of the idea that mediocrity is an asset while skill, education, and expertise is the province of the effete elitist.
2. Although it improved over the course of the campaign, her manner of interaction is so awkward and so strongly smacks of fundamental discomfort with sorting out issues. In two months, it seemed all she communicated were soundbites and catchphrases. I do not recall her ever engaging an issue with any level of nuance or even interest. And she did not seem as though she knew enough about such issues to do so even if she wanted to. The thing about Putin and our airspace, for instance, was an absolute embarassment, not even taking into account mangled grammar and sentence strucure.
3. I just fundamentally disagree with her on basically every major issue.
JasonC
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:53 ET by Free StinkerWell . . .
1. It is (or was). 2.
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:01 ET by JasonC1. It is (or was).
2. Wasn't impressed.
3. Good luck.
Jason C...
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 22:01 ET by 007datkawhat in the hell you are talking about, You are wriding some stupid comments, and You are OUT of touch. What this have to do with each other. No sense at all. Wasting Your time and energy.
This blog is about future Mither in law to Sarah doughter, what Sarah has to do with, Her doughter .???
007
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 22:29 ET by choselife3xPLEASE activate spell checker. Or start spouting leftist drivel.
In order to be pro-choice, one must first be born. Ah, the irony.
How So?
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 12:30 ET by expatriotHer "Regular America" rhetoric is so blatantly divisive
You must be a large city type. There is nothing devisive about being a regular American unless you are conservative, successful, and liked.
just demonstrates further her embrace of the idea that mediocrity is an asset while skill, education, and expertise is the province of the effete elitist.
And you know definitively that she embraces mediocrity? I guess we listened to different speeches. I need to get the liberal, socialist, progressive, marxist filter next time. I heard a call to greatness and developing skills, embracing higher education and attaining expertise. But these are the desire of the regular Americans and the looney left feels that individuals cannot do any of that without a nanny state giving it to you.
In two months, it seemed all she communicated were soundbites and catchphrases.
When thats all the press will present to the public it is no wonder you feel that way. If bambi were covered in a like manner he would not be looking for a crib in D.C.
I do not recall her ever engaging an issue with any level of nuance or even interest.
Nuance, would that be talking aimlessly about nothing, stuttering, uming, ahing, and looking completely out of your element on numerous occasions. Also, see previous retort.
I just fundamentally disagree with her on basically every major issue.
You finally come to the crux of the matter. You don't believe in personal responsibility, you don't believe in personal achievement, and you don't believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I can see why not, you would have to work and be responsible for your failures as well as your successes. No, it is easier living in a socialist society where you are coddled from cradle to grave. Working well in Venezuela, Cuba and the former Soviet Union where Putin is working on reimplementing it.
You must be a large city
Mon, 12/22/2008 - 16:12 ET by JasonCYou must be a large city type. There is nothing devisive about being a
regular American unless you are conservative, successful, and liked.
I certainly don't have anything against the kind of people she was directing that remark toward, and yeah, I know at that point in the election it was all about pandering toward rural parts of swing states, but I found grating her implication that being one kind of American makes one "regular" and that another is (by sheer logic) irregular. I found that more offensive and un-American than Obama failing to wear a lapel pin or his wife admitting that she didn't always have pride in America. These aren't debatable points, just my personal reaction to it.
When thats all the press will present to the public it is no wonder you
feel that way. If bambi were covered in a like manner he would not be
looking for a crib in D.C.
You called him Bambi! OMG, you're soooo hateful!!!1! [sarc off]
Actually, I was referring more than anything to the debate with Biden, and try as they might, there was no way for the big evil media to censor her there. Sorry but "drill baby drill," and "Me and John McCain are mavericks" (x100) is ALL she had going for her.
Nuance, would that be talking aimlessly about nothing, stuttering,
uming, ahing, and looking completely out of your element on numerous
occasions.
Wait, I thought you were arguing in favor of Palin.
You finally come to the crux of the matter. You don't believe in
personal responsibility, you don't believe in personal achievement, and
you don't believe in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I
can see why not, you would have to work and be responsible for your
failures as well as your successes. No, it is easier living in a
socialist society where you are coddled from cradle to grave. Working
well in Venezuela, Cuba and the former Soviet Union where Putin is
working on reimplementing it.
Well, I don't recall saying I was against the American-Ideal terms you list at the beginning, but I also don't recall Palin going into any detail about how she would preserve them. I also don't recall saying I wanted to be anything like Putin's Russia, but other than a stream of gibberish about Russian Airspace, I don't recall Palin saying how she would prevent anything like that.
Get this straight: disliking Palin, recognizing that she would be a disaster as a leader, isn't about a rejection of all things American and conservative, nor is it an embrace of all things hard-left. It's just common sense.
Isn't that a contradiction?
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 22:44 ET by CobraManDidn't you just contradict yourself? First you claim that your state of mind doesn't hing on who's President, then you claim that the thought of Sarah Palin "running the show"scares you even thought she would NOT have been "running the show," Mc Cain would have. I would describe that as a contradiction, and an unrealistic fear, also known as paranoia.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Well, or you could say that
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 12:03 ET by JasonCWell, or you could say that although I think she would be a terrible pick for president, I'm not exactly losing sleep over it, and it's not the SOLE arbiter of my spiritual being. The US would survive her presidency just as it survived Bush's and will survive Obama's, regardless of the predictions of apocalypse that have been heaped upon all three scenarios...
Good thing for you
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 13:31 ET by CobraMan"I think she would be a terrible pick for president"
Good thing, for you, that she wasn't running for President. Nor has she indicated that she WILL run for President in the foreseeable future.
Personally, I think she'd be a WONDERFULL President.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Right. And the point of
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 13:36 ET by JasonCRight. And the point of this thread was to discuss that she likely will run in 2012. As far as your last remark, I guess we just disagree.
Fleeting Celebrity Status
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 15:39 ET by Agrarian-DecentralistHuston says, "Next the Old Media will be strenuously looking for Palin neighbors that
are unruly, Palin hairdressers that have parking tickets, Palin dog
groomers that steal pens from work, and Palin fans that talk too loudly
on cell phones while in a theater."
I doubt it. I think her 15 minutes are about up.
aw cmon AD
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 16:23 ET by candanceYou promised to leave NB because it was beneath the IQ of a Certified Genius! Won't you live up to that commitment, pretty please??
I'm a typical white person.
travails with my illegal alien aunt
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 17:08 ET by Jack BauerAnyone know what ever happened to the President-derelect's illegal alien Aunt? She seems to have joined the ranks of the disappeared
Has she been deported yet? I mean, she is actually a blood relative, as opposed being NOT RELATED EVEN BY MARRIAGE.
One would think the law-breaking blood relative of the new President might garner some press.
Yeah Jack... One or two
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 22:08 ET by bigtimerYeah Jack...
One or two of us out here in the real world would think that...but hey, it's just a minority of us.
Matters not...if you have a 'D' after your name.
Just more minutia.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
why???
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 21:55 ET by 007datkainstead start aattacking Pres and Media, we are getting in sense less discution. We dont have to defend Sarah, She is clean as She is and I dont care if someone from people around Her are using drugs i are alcholics. Important is, She-Sarah is not, and Her closest Family mambers are not ither. Relax and ejoy snowy winter. stay warm, have a fun!!!
007... LMAO.... Could
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 22:13 ET by bigtimer007...
LMAO....
Could you please translate your post to some semblance of English?
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Someone needs to
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 22:27 ET by CobraMan"We dont have to defend Sarah"
Actually, we do, as the press is trying to defame her through guilt by association.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
007
Sat, 12/20/2008 - 22:38 ET by shawn228007, was wollen Sie sagen? Ihr sagen, Sarah ist eine heiße Frau, die nicht tun, Drogen, will sie eine Tasse Gin geschnürt Ei noch, und sie möchte, dass die Schnee-Angels-Recht?
He had my vote
If you all haven't already,
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 05:12 ET by RR GOPIf you all haven't already, you have to accept (but I don't mean give up) that these are the people who are running our country.
They've been working on this Republic since at least 1848 when many got kicked out of Europe and came over here.
And they've been gaining ground ever since.
One of the 24% who thinks George W. Bush was a great President. One of the 89% who wants to bring back the stock and pillory.
WTH -- I believe there are
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 09:01 ET by Jack BauerWTH -- I believe there are now some questions being raised about the legality of the woman's arrest. It was made, it it being claimed, by a "trooper," and the query is to whether he even followed well-established procedures from the DAs.
I have no problems with genuine drug "dealers" being arrested and charged. But this is already starting to throw up red flags, especially when one takes into account the whole trooper thing, and the attempt to get Palin at all costs.
Follow up stories will be appreciated.
I hadn't kept up on it since
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 09:03 ET by Warner Todd HustonI hadn't kept up on it since its debut. I'll try to dig some more up on it.
Why hasn't anyone questioned
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 13:14 ET by katiejaneObama on his apparent "pallin around" with the Kennedys? If ever was a group of drug adicts, alcoholics, adulterers, etc that family is much worse than Palin's daughter's future MIL. Who can recall how many Kennedys have been in rehab or died from abuse?
Warner, what exactly was I
Sun, 12/21/2008 - 18:03 ET by JasonCWarner, what exactly was I proven wrong about? I specifically said that Palin should not bear any blame whatsoever for this. What, I'm not allowed to point out that she's just getting the same treatment that she tried to fling on Obama? No one's proven me wrong on that. As usual.
So the drug of choice was mischaracterized? Oxycontin instead of meth? Bully for you, MsM bias debunked! So instead of subsidizing meth dealers she's subsidizing people who hold up pharmacies?
By the way, you might consider hiring a proofreader.