I don't know. Maybe the Associated Press thinks that no one is aware that John McCain lost his race for the White House? Maybe the AP thinks no one is aware that his choice for VP, Governor Sarah Palin, lost right along with him? Maybe the AP thinks that hardly any American has gotten the word that Obama and slow Joe Biden won on November 4th? The AP sure acts as if they think people still need it pointed out that Governor Sarah Palin is "the failed Republican vice presidential candidate." At least if its current report on the latest doings in Alaska is concerned, anyway. After all, right in the middle of a report on Alaska state workers having sent around some race tinged joke emails, the AP helpfully reminds us that Palin is that aforementioned "failed Republican vice presidential candidate." I mean, who knew she lost?
The AP is reporting on some race-y emails that were reported to them by a state worker, using it to needlessly jab the governor. At one point the AP sternly tells us all that, "State officials were unaware of the e-mails until asked about them by the AP," as if something untoward was going on in the Administration itself. But, even the AP's own report seems to show that a mountain is being made of a mole hill.
Naturally, the AP found Reverend Alonzo Patterson, Alaska's own homegrown race baiter, to scold the Governor for not yet having said anything about an issue that is neither much investigated at this point, nor even in her initial purview in the first place.
It looks like these joke e-mails with racially tinged humor were sent from outside the state computer system and then forwarded by several state workers inside the state's system. Palin's spokesman, Bill McAllister reminds everyone that the matter has to be investigated by the state's personnel and employment office adding that said office has nothing at all to do with the office of the governor.
But, let's just get one thing straight, shall we? Palin is a "failed vice presidential candidate." Failed, do you hear? THAT is the important point here. To that important reminder, we are given this line tucked into this piece of... reporting:
Kreitzer said she alerted the office of Gov. Sarah Palin -- the failed Republican vice presidential candidate -- about the e-mails.
It was oh, so important that this little dig be included, right? Why, without it, the story could not possibly have been understood by the reader. It couldn't have been "former Republican vice presidential candidate," "late GOP vp candidate," or even "onetime vp candidate," right? It had to be "failed Republican vice presidential candidate."
Finally, let us be clear on a few things about this story. No one should expect any governor to come out and squawk about a story like this immediately upon learning of it. For one thing, a governor has little power to fire anyone. After all, the public employee unions (like the SEIU) have made it impossible for state governments to be allowed to fire unsuitable, or even criminal employees without first groveling before the undemocratic and illicitly powerful state employee unions. So, if there is any question about a state employee at any level (but appointed positions) concerning their behavior or job performance, the government itself has to walk a cautious line for fear of upsetting the unions. This whole fear of upsetting the tender sensibilities of these union thugs is precisely why unions are antithetical to good government and should never be allowed to exist in the public sphere.
Secondly, how can the governor make a statement on something that has yet to be much investigated or even widely known about?
Anyway, those points aside, it seems that the AP was more interested in finding just another way to remind everyone that Palin failed as a vp candidate. This is, of course, another media lie. By any unbiased assessment of her month long run for vp, it has to be said that she was one of the most successful vp candidates ever that didn't win the office! After all, can you remember a single vp candidate that was talked about so much even after they lost?
On second thought, it's pretty hard to remember too many vp candidates that have ever been talked about even after they won! Let's face it, of the past vps that didn't go on to become president, few were much in the news win or lose. Al Gore seems to be one of the few exceptions.
But wait. Some may ask how I can get so upset about this? After all, Palin did lose her bid to become vice president. In this line of thinking, the AP is right to say "failed Republican vice presidential candidate." Well, I might not have a problem with the whole thing if the AP labeled every past candidate that lost something as a failed whoseawhatchis. But, only Palin constantly gets the failed epithet.
For instance, this very day, the AP had a story about John Kerry. Here is how they titled the man:
The Massachusetts Democrat and incoming chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee told the AP on Wednesday...
Well, what a surprise. Kerry isn't called the failed Democratic presidential candidate!
Here is a recent AP story about Al Gore:
... after meeting with former Vice President Al Gore, who won a Nobel Peace Prize for his work on global warming.
It didn't occur to the AP that Al Gore was a failed Democratic presidential candidate, I guess?
Of another failed vice presidential nominee, the AP said this of Joe Lieberman today:
When asked last month about the Connecticut Democrats' plans to consider a censure, 66-year-old Lieberman, the Democrats' nominee for vice president in 2000...
Guess the AP forget he failed, just like Sarah Palin, huh?
The AP has even already forgotten that John McCain is a failed candidate. Here is one from the AP today mentioning McCain:
... He invited both Obama and his Republican rival John McCain to his Saddleback Church in Orange County for a forum on faith and public service.
Was McCain just a rival? Still, no use of failed for John, AP?
Yeah, it sure seems that the Associated Press hates Sarah Palin with a passion.
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A Failure? Hardly!!!
December 18, 2008 - 05:08 ET by flyingmonkeyI just joined TeamSarah.org the other day and one could hardly call anybody with that much support a failure.
However, since I have quit buying and reading newspapers, I would definately say that the AP, as well as the rest of the MSM, failed miserably.
Sarah still has my attention, they don't. Sarah will get my money, they won't.
Buying a newspaper is like paying somebody to lie to you. Boycott your local newspaper. I'm boycotting the Kansas City Star.
Failed Association of Leftists?
December 18, 2008 - 07:03 ET by allanfSo is AP a failed Association of leftists? Is the Chicago Tribune a failed newspaper?
Palin is the future!!
December 18, 2008 - 14:30 ET by KatieI couldn't agree with you more! Sarah Palin is just what America needs! Someone who scares the politicos in Washington while also scaring the liberal media! They will do anything to keep her down, thats why we have to work even harder to promote her in the most positive ways! I have this amazing Sarah Palin calendar, and even though its not 2009 yet, i have it up and it inspires me every day! I suggest we all get them and use them as a reminder that we should so something proactive to get Sarah to the White House every day! (they are available on amazon, if you're interested!)
Fail!
December 18, 2008 - 05:29 ET by islero47Yeah. Failed candidate. This coming from a failed media.
Did someone say Sarah Palin? Cue PopTech!
On the subject of Sarah and newspapers, particularly her much touted inability to name one she reads... I'm pretty sure she didn't know how to answer the question in an MSM friendly way without lying. She probably wanted to say, "I sure don't read the NYT; it's crap!" Anyone knows the default, politically correct answer would be "Oh, well I read the NYT, the Post, the Wall Street Journal, and a few others." Sarah obviously didn't want to lie through her teeth to appease Couric.
I still think it's amazing that the biggest issues the MSM could dig up on her were her reading preferences, clothes someone else paid for, a baby non-scandal, an abuse of power non-scandal, and a bridge she ultimately opposed. That's it. So many skeletons in her closet, she had to rent storage space to hold 'em all. Not like those squeaky clean friends of Obama...
Sarah rocks, and that's fine if PopularTech doesn't like her. Who's your preference, anyway? If you posted it before, I missed it. I'm very curious.
Sarah Palin/Jason Lewis 2012
Obama, pathological nacissist: http://www.faithfree...
pop tech
December 18, 2008 - 05:52 ET by Warner Todd HustonPop tech is one of those folks that have no one they like. They only have people they hate.
Not Really I liked Romney
December 18, 2008 - 11:13 ET by PopularTechI would have voted for Romney, Rudy, Fred or Ron Paul. Since none were running I voted for Bob Barr.
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Interesting
December 18, 2008 - 18:30 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou would have voted for Romney (Democrat in disguise), Rudy (not even in disguise) or Paul (not even of this earth)?
The only one on the list that even qualifies as a good conservative Republican is Fred.
This makes me wonder about you because I had thought you were one of those conservatives that always thought he was the only true conservative on the face of the earth. But, with that list, I can see you are not a conservative at all.
Interesting, indeed.
I am a Libertarian Fiscal Conservative not a Social Conservative
December 18, 2008 - 22:26 ET by PopularTechYou are confusing social conservative issues with liberatarian/fiscal conservative issues. Like I said I voted for Bob Barr.
Romney, Rudy and Paul are all good on fiscal issues.
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Romney, not so much. Mass
December 18, 2008 - 22:34 ET by Clear thinkerRomney, not so much. Mass is going broke because of him.
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With a liberal legislature Mass will continue to go broke
December 18, 2008 - 22:52 ET by PopularTechBut it will not be because of Romney. All he could do is Veto:
Romney Vetoed More Than 800 Budget Line-Items (707 were overturned by the liberal Massachusetts Legislature)
- Romney convinced the unfriendly State Legislature to grant him unilateral power to make budget cuts in 2003
- Romney unveiled $343 million in cuts to cities, healthcare, and state agencies in 2003
- Romney successfully consolidated the social service and public health bureaucracy in 2003
- Romney eliminated half of the executive branch's press positions, saving $1.2 million in 2003
- Romney successfully forced Medicaid recipients to make co-payments for some services in 2003
- Romney successfully pushed for legislation forcing new state workers to contribute 25% of their health insurance costs in 2003
- Romney proposed to revolutionize the Massachusetts state pension system by moving it to a defined contribution system in 2003
- Romney pushed to revamp the Pacheco Law, a union-backed measure that makes it nearly impossible to privatize state services in 2003
- Romney called for the privatization of the University of Massachusetts medical school in 2003
- Romney proposed measures to eliminate civil service protection for all municipal workers except police and firefighters and exempt low-cost public construction jobs from the state's wage law in 2003
- Romney proposed easing pricing regulations on Massachusetts retailers in 2003
- Romney Vetoed A Provision That Would Have Renewed A Prescription Drug Tax in 2003
- Romney proposed easing decades-old state regulations on wetlands in 2004
- Romney Vetoed Retroactive Pay Increases For State Employees in 2004
- Romney proposed cutting the state's income-tax rate from 5.3% to 5.0% in 2004, 2005 and 2006
- Romney succeeded in passing a bill preventing the capital gains tax from being applied retroactively in 2005
- Romney signed legislation that provided property tax relief to seniors in 2005
- Romney signed legislation establishing a two-day tax-free shopping holiday in 2005
- Romney fought for welfare legislation increasing the number of hours each week recipients must work and establishing a five-year limit for receiving benefits in 2005
- Romney aggressively pushed to deregulate Massachusetts' "Soviet-style" auto insurance industry in 2005
- Romney Vetoed a bill limiting the ability of out-of-state wineries to ship directly to Massachusetts consumers, calling the legislation "anti-consumer" in 2005
- Romney used his emergency fiscal powers to make $425 million worth of cuts in 2006
- Romney Vetoed the employer mandate that requires businesses with 11 or more full-time employees to provide health insurance in 2006
- Romney Vetoed an increase in the minimum wage from $6.75 to $8.00 in 2006
- Romney Signed a bill streamlining the state's cumbersome permitting process for new businesses in 2006
- Romney Line-Item Vetoed $100,000 For A Gazebo On Sunset Lake In Braintree in 2006
- Romney Vetoed $150,000 For The University Of Massachusetts To Study The Winter Moth in 2006
- Romney Vetoed $4 Million To Research The Efficiency Of The Internal Combustion Engine in 2006
- Romney has ruled out the option of raising Social Security taxes, embraced the idea of reducing the growth rate of future benefits, and supports personal accounts in 2007
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I agree they will still go
December 18, 2008 - 22:56 ET by Clear thinkerI agree they will still go broke, but alot of it has to do with his legacy. Can you say healthcare boondoggle?
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Current Administration's Budget now Romney's Fault?
December 18, 2008 - 23:00 ET by PopularTechI highly doubt they would be going broke if he was still there as he would do everything in his power to cut spending like he tried. The health care program was a boondoggle but the final plan was not his:
The Massachusetts legislature made a number of changes to Governor Romney's original Health Care proposal.
Romney Vetoed Eight Sections of the Health Care Legislation, including:
- Romney Vetoed providing dental benefits to poor residents on the Medicaid program
- Romney Vetoed providing health coverage to senior and disabled legal immigrants not eligible for federal Medicaid
- Romney Vetoed expanding MassHealth (Medicaid) coverage to low-income children
- Romney Vetoed restoring funding for public health programs
- Romney Vetoed adding a provision charging firms with 11 or more workers that do not provide "fair and reasonable" health coverage to their workers
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PT... Stop being hard
December 18, 2008 - 23:03 ET by Clear thinkerPT...
Stop being hard headed. You're good at research, so go and look at what has happened to their budget because of his healthcare boondoggle. Take a hard look at the unintended consequences and how much it's costing them.
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The Mass Liberal Legislature Changed the Plan
December 18, 2008 - 23:11 ET by PopularTechAgain how much of that has to do with changes to the plan? Regardless I don't support it but it is not what people believe it is.
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Regardless. Polar Bear
December 18, 2008 - 23:16 ET by Clear thinkerRegardless.
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Palin's Resume (By Request)
December 18, 2008 - 11:27 ET by PopularTechWell if you ask for it...
Sarah Palin
Age: 44
Religion:
- Pentecostal
Education:
- Attended, Hawaii Pacific University, 1982
- Attended, North Idaho College, 1983-1984
- Attended, University of Idaho, 1984-1985
- Attended, Matanuska-Susitna College, 1985
- B.S. Journalism, University of Idaho, 1987
Political Experience:
- Former Council Member, Wasilla City Council, Alaska, 1992-1996
- Former Mayor, Wasilla City, Alaska, 1996-2002 (pop: 7,028) (Votes: 909)
- Failed Candidate, Lieutenant Governor, Alaska, 2002
- Resigned, Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, 2003-2004
- Governor, Alaska, 2006-present (1+1/2 years) (pop: 670,053)
Professional Experience:
- First Place, Miss Wasilla Beauty Contest, 1984
- Second Place, Miss Alaska Pageant, 1984
- Television Sports Reporter, 1987-1989
- Director, Ted Stevens Excellence in Public Service, Inc., 2003-2007
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Hey, Pop Tech, old buddy.
December 18, 2008 - 16:37 ET by Gary P JacksonHey, Pop Tech, old buddy. How about I give you my standard reply to Sarah haters? It's not as pretty as yours, but it's factual:
Do you realize that when 2012 rolls around
that Governor Palin will have almost 20 years worth of chief executive experience?
Besides being a small town mayor, when she was term
limited out of that job, she became the Chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas
Conservation Commission. A tough and important job. 7 out of 10 jobs in Alaska
are connected.
The AOGCC is the regulatory body that oversees oil
and natural gas production, leases, environmental issues, and so on.
Governor Palin stood toe to toe with executives
from Exxon Mobil, Conoco-Phillips, and BP. She never batted an eye!
Governor Palin brought about sweeping reform, and
went after corrupt officials inside the industry and inside her agency.
Governor Palin took down the entire leadership of
the Republican party in Alaska. Famously, she took down both the Chairman of the
party and the former Attorney General, who both had issues while working for the
agency. The Chairman, was also forced to pay the largest monetary fine of it's
kind in history.
Governor Palin continues to lead on energy issues.
She is currently Chairman of the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission, a
multi-state government agency that promotes the conservation and efficient
recovery of domestic oil and natural gas resources while protecting health,
safety and the environment.
Governor Palin is also the Chairman of the National
Governors Association's energy committee.
Also, Governor Palin has a unique roll as her
state's Commander-In-Chief of the Alaska National Guard. Her troops are the only
state Guard that is on permanent deployment. They are part of the Alaska Air
Defense Forces.
Because of Alaska's location, it is our first line
of defense should Russia, North Korea, or China attempt aggression.
As such, Governor Palin receive regular briefings
from Homeland Security, and other intelligence services, and carriers a rather
high national security clearance.
The Governor also owns a commercial fishing
business, along with Todd, who is also a supervisor on the North Slope. And
Governor Palin also participates as her schedule permits in the fishing. She
will be seen dragging in the nets full of big fish, just like the guys. Once
refusing to "take it easy" with a broken hand!
This woman knows exactly what hard work looks like,
and isn't afraid to take a refresher course from time to time!
She's a lifetime member of the NRA. and unlike most
politicians, it's not for photo ops! She is an avid sportsman, and her family
eat what they shoot. (as well as catch)
As similar story to her broken hand, revolves around her high school's championship winning basketball game. She sprained an ankle early into the game, and had to be taken out by the coach. After sitting on the bench for a bit, the coach put her back in, and she played hard. She ended up scoring the game winning points. Afterward, it was discovered she was playing on a broken ankle!
This is one tough woman!!
Did anyone catch the news that although she is in line for a huge pay raise ($25,000) she has said she will not take it. And the Palins are not rich people.
She also just submitted her FY2010 budget proposal, and even though most of Alaska's revenue comes straight from oil leases, and taxes on oil companies, Governor Palin foresaw the crash in oil prices, and ended up with a budget surplus.
Pop, I've told you a lot that I respect your work in exposing the Algore fraud, but you are WAY off base on Governor Palin. She is the real deal, and by far the best candidate out there. I see her, and I see Ronald Reagan in a skirt and heels......You bet'cha!
www.teamsarah.org
Palin's Real Record
December 18, 2008 - 22:22 ET by PopularTechLMAO! 20 years of executive experience? Is that a joke? Now for her real record....
Sarah Palin Can't Name a Newspaper She Reads (Video)
Bridge to Nowhere:
Palin "bridge to nowhere" line angers many Alaskans (Reuters)
Palin touts stance on 'Bridge to Nowhere,' doesn't note flip-flop (Anchorage Daily News)
ADN: "Would you continue state funding for the proposed Knik Arm and Gravina Island bridges?"
PALIN: "Yes. I would like to see Alaska's infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later. The window is now - while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist." - (Anchorage Daily News, 2006)
Earmarks:
Alaska 1st, Ariz. last in pork spending (USA Today)
Palin used system she now opposes (Los Angeles Times)
Palin's Project List Totals $453 Million (The Wall Street Journal)
Palin's earmark requests: more per person than any other state (The Seattle Times)
Fiscal Policy:
Spending rose in Palin's Alaska administrations (USA Today)
- In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. (ADN)
- As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. (ADN)
- Palin, who portrays herself as a fiscal conservative, racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of Wasilla. (POLITICO)
Global Warming:
Biden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming and clean coal? (The Industry Standard)
MODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"
PALIN: "I do. I do." (Transcript)
Greed:
Palin denounces Wall Street "greed" to big money donors (FOX News)
Illegal Immigrations:
Palin: I support a path to citizenship for illegals (Hot Air)
School Spending:
Gov. Sarah Palin aims to boost spending on schools (Anchorage Daily News)
Yearly school spending $1 billion in Palin plan (Anchorage Daily News)
Taxes:
Alaska Raises Tax On Oil Profits To 25% (CBS News)
Ted Stevens:
Palin Was a Director of Embattled Sen. Stevens's 527 Group (The Washington Post)
Sen. Stevens Indicted On 7 Corruption Counts (The Washington Post)
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PT, there you go again. You
December 18, 2008 - 22:29 ET by Clear thinkerPT, there you go again. You hating on strong women is getting old.
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CT, there you go again
December 18, 2008 - 22:39 ET by PopularTech...with your lies. It is getting pathetic.
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My lies? That's
December 18, 2008 - 22:42 ET by Clear thinkerMy lies?
That's funny.
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You realy should read some of your own BS PT
December 18, 2008 - 22:33 ET by general companySome of this is nothing more then parsing of words and political bs. Her distractors are on full display, but her deeds have won over her constituancy. Who else has?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I don't think so
December 18, 2008 - 22:40 ET by PopularTechNo parsing of words she said that. Her deeds have won over anyone who cannot do their own research and is in denial about her record and real position on issues.
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If these articals
December 18, 2008 - 22:45 ET by general companyWere about GW you would be tearing them to shreds. Get real, some of this is grinding axes.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Um it is about Global Warming
December 18, 2008 - 22:47 ET by PopularTechBiden, Palin in complete agreement: Carbon caps are coming and clean coal? (The Industry Standard)
MODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"
PALIN: "I do. I do." (Transcript)
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C'mon, that's not fair. She
December 18, 2008 - 22:51 ET by Clear thinkerC'mon, that's not fair. She thought he said "carbine emissions".
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No Ct... She is for Cap
December 18, 2008 - 23:26 ET by bigtimerNo Ct...
She is for Cap and Trade, she is for McC/Kennedy Amnesty Bill, she has stated as such since the election...more than once.
I am tired of people keeping their eyes closed to this gal. I am not going to include all the other things I do not like about Palin here, not worth it...don't want to lose friends, then again I will never again bend to the wants or popularity of what others think , or who our candidate should be when we vote...ever.
Do not get me wrong, she excited the base, for me it was the msm being upset, I loved it, plus it continued on, McC is the one who pissed in his own grave as far as I am concerned, from hiding her away, not defending her when he should have, the bail-out bill, defending O again, running a respectful campaign, her running on the campaign trail against terrorists like Ayres, mentioning his name and having to be shut down by McC, him always sticking us conservatives in the eye one more time, just because he can, and we ain't seen nothing yet btw, for those who watch the Senate and the votes, better plan on both eyes being poked, big-time when it comes to McC....with a smile on his face, he has been waiting for revenge against real patriots like Sessions who led the way against his Amnesty bill...no he can't wait, he is chomping at the bit.
I know what all went on...she's still not a real conservative to me...to me she is more like McC and Bush, whom she puts down when convenient...as long as it has to do with the good old phrase "all his blunders during this war" blah blah blah...but heck, as long as she is prould of getting along with the dems in Ak. more than the repubs....she's our darlin'.
Cap and Trade is going to kill us...so is Amnesty...along with some other things I won't get into...
I want a total conservative....period.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt... I'll just have to
December 18, 2008 - 23:35 ET by Clear thinkerbt...
I'll just have to take your word for it, but I have never heard her say she agreed with cap and trade, which is a lot different than carbon emission caps. Plus, being that she's in a state that probably has little to no problems with illegals, I'm betting she could have her eyes opened real fast on the issue.
And, you gotta admit, his argument about not being like Reagan and then mentioning citizenship was just dead wrong. Out of all the candidates that were out there this season, there were only two that I would trust with our country. Fred and Sarah. Maybe someone better will come along by 2012, but for now that's just a maybe.
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Ct... Please just read
December 18, 2008 - 23:58 ET by bigtimerCt...
Please just read these....here and here...
I'll find the other links I have CapnTrade later.
Why would I lie Ct...you need to ask yourself that.
We are both conservatives as far as I know....I am never going to go with the flow again....ever.
I am disgusted with myself I did.
One other thing I want to add here Ct...I have heard her since the election has been over, her opinions are the same, so the she was just aping what McC wanted is so bogus.
Also, so what if illegal immigration isn't a big deal in Ak., if you are going to run, you had better have a strong opinion about that in the lower 48.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
All this time and Palin does not deny it
December 19, 2008 - 00:55 ET by PopularTechAll this time I have been posting these things and not ONE person has been able to defend her on these issues, that is actually scarier than I thought.
How are you going to cap carbon emissions without cap and trade? It doesn't even make any sense. All government carbon regulations will increase energy costs and negatively effect the economy PERIOD. Yet she is some supposed fiscal conservative?
I wasn't wrong about citizenship, she supports amnesty and Reagan gave amnesty.
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So what?
December 18, 2008 - 23:08 ET by general companyYou did leave out some prudent items, but I guess this is to be expected.
IFILL: Governor, I'm happy to talk to you in this next
section about energy issues. Let's talk about climate change. What is
true and what is false about what we have heard, read, discussed,
debated about the causes of climate change?
PALIN: Yes.
Well, as the nation's only Arctic state and being the governor of that
state, Alaska feels and sees impacts of climate change more so than any
other state. And we know that it's real.
I'm not one to
attribute every man -- activity of man to the changes in the climate.
There is something to be said also for man's activities, but also for
the cyclical temperature changes on our planet.
But there are
real changes going on in our climate. And I don't want to argue about
the causes. What I want to argue about is, how are we going to get
there to positively affect the impacts?
We have got to clean up
this planet. We have got to encourage other nations also to come along
with us with the impacts of climate change, what we can do about that.
As governor, I was the first governor to form a climate change
sub-cabinet to start dealing with the impacts. We've got to reduce
emissions. John McCain is right there with an "all of the above"
approach to deal with climate change impacts.
We've got to
become energy independent for that reason. Also as we rely more and
more on other countries that don't care as much about the climate as we
do, we're allowing them to produce and to emit and even pollute more
than America would ever stand for.
So even in dealing with
climate change, it's all the more reason that we have an "all of the
above" approach, tapping into alternative sources of energy and
conserving fuel, conserving our petroleum products and our hydrocarbons
so that we can clean up this planet and deal with climate change.
IFILL: Senator, what is true and what is false about the causes?
BIDEN:
Well, I think it is manmade. I think it's clearly manmade. And, look,
this probably explains the biggest fundamental difference between John
McCain and Barack Obama and Sarah Palin and Joe Biden -- Gov. Palin and
Joe Biden.
If you don't understand what the cause is, it's
virtually impossible to come up with a solution. We know what the cause
is. The cause is manmade. That's the cause. That's why the polar icecap
is melting.
Now, let's look at the facts. We have 3 percent of
the world's oil reserves. We consume 25 percent of the oil in the
world. John McCain has voted 20 times in the last decade-and-a-half
against funding alternative energy sources, clean energy sources, wind,
solar, biofuels.
The way in which we can stop the greenhouse
gases from emitting. We believe -- Barack Obama believes by investing
in clean coal and safe nuclear, we can not only create jobs in wind and
solar here in the United States, we can export it.
China is
building one to three new coal-fired plants burning dirty coal per
week. It's polluting not only the atmosphere but the West Coast of the
United States. We should export the technology by investing in clean
coal technology.
We should be creating jobs. John McCain has
voted 20 times against funding alternative energy sources and thinks, I
guess, the only answer is drill, drill, drill. Drill we must, but it
will take 10 years for one drop of oil to come out of any of the wells
that are going to begun to be drilled.
In the meantime, we're all going to be in real trouble.
IFILL:
Let me clear something up, Sen. McCain has said he supports caps on
carbon emissions. Sen. Obama has said he supports clean coal
technology, which I don't believe you've always supported.
BIDEN: I have always supported it. That's a fact.
IFILL: Well, clear it up for us, both of you, and start with Gov. Palin.
PALIN:
Yes, Sen. McCain does support this. The chant is "drill, baby, drill."
And that's what we hear all across this country in our rallies because
people are so hungry for those domestic sources of energy to be tapped
into.
They know that even in my own energy-producing state we
have billions of barrels of oil and hundreds of trillions of cubic feet
of clean, green natural gas. And we're building a nearly $40 billion
natural gas pipeline which is North America's largest and most you
expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy
into hungry markets.
Barack Obama and Sen. Biden, you've said no
to everything in trying to find a domestic solution to the energy
crisis that we're in. You even called drilling -- safe,
environmentally-friendly drilling offshore as raping the outer
continental shelf.
There -- with new technology, with tiny
footprints even on land, it is safe to drill and we need to do more of
that. But also in that "all of the above" approach that Sen. McCain
supports, the alternative fuels will be tapped into: the nuclear, the
clean coal.
I was surprised to hear you mention that because you
had said that there isn't anything -- such a thing as clean coal. And I
think you said it in a rope line, too, at one of your rallies.
IFILL: We do need to keep within our two minutes. But I just wanted to ask you, do you support capping carbon emissions?
PALIN: I do. I do.
IFILL: OK. And on the clean coal issue?
BIDEN: Absolutely. Absolutely we do. We call for setting hard targets, number one...
I wonder what Romney, Rudy, or Ron Paul would had said?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
LMAO all that matters is this... "I do, I do"
December 18, 2008 - 23:14 ET by PopularTechMODERATOR: "...do you support capping carbon emissions?"
PALIN: "I do. I do." (Transcript)
No wonder Palin is so popular, she says a lot of empty rhetoric and populist talking points that people want to hear and then everyone ignores what she is actually going to do.
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You know darn well she
December 18, 2008 - 23:20 ET by Clear thinkerYou know darn well she would only agree to such a thing if China, India, and a few others did the same. You do know that, right?
Be thankful she never agreed to cap and trade! That's a whole other bag of sh*t.
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Ct... Bull. Read my
December 18, 2008 - 23:37 ET by bigtimerCt...
Bull.
Read my post above.
I guess we are just going to have to disagree on this, I'm not going to argue with others here that do not want to really see the light.
We have 4 friggin' years yet...why is everyone already crowning Sarah?
What do you really know about her Ct...eh?
I have read a lot about her, long ago, I am not going to go into it, but the reason I am even stating this is because FS started his whole lovefest Palin Fact of the Day thread or whatever it was, just to stick it to me because I dared to know something about Palin, politics and lived in Ak for quite some time and still have relatives/friends there....we disagreed, again, we have never got along all that great, (his loss, I might add) and this has continued on.
Oh well, I give up....seems this is going to go on for four years, I don't think I can take it anymore than I can O for four years.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Fine
December 18, 2008 - 23:22 ET by general companyBut in case you did not notice Biden suggested Hard Caps. Palin just suggested the political nomenclosler. But alas, you neglected to answer the question,,,,,,again? What would your guy had said? Would you drop him over this single topic?
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
gc... Good
December 18, 2008 - 23:28 ET by Clear thinkergc...
Good question!
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gc.... First I've heard
December 18, 2008 - 23:42 ET by bigtimergc....
First I've heard of the term Hard Caps....what the heck are they, and when did Biden say this so I can compare this to Palin regarding Cap and Trade....I don't get it.
...thanks.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT Biden suggested it during the debates
December 19, 2008 - 09:36 ET by general companyBIDEN: Absolutely. Absolutely we do. We call for setting hard targets, number one...
He calls them hard targets, but their is no doubt on my part what he means.
Cant say I get it either, PT claims his guys are for them as well, but with conditions? Big fat whooie. I think most Repubs have the same philosophy concerning Caps. Some just admit to man made GW others dont is the only difference I have seen. Palin has always used the oppertunity when talking about GW to suggest we clean up our planet, witch I fully agree with.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
What Romney and Rudy said (it pays to pay attention)
December 19, 2008 - 00:58 ET by PopularTechRomney said he would only support regulation if the whole world including China and India did (will never happen). Rudy says he believes in Global Warming but does not believe government regulations will fix the problem and the free market should fix the problem. Both of these positions is better than someone who doesn't believe in it but wants to cap carbon emissions anyway!
Am I the only one not insane here?
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Well now PT..that takes a
December 19, 2008 - 01:11 ET by bigtimerWell now PT..that takes a lot of audicity asking if you are the only one sane here.
Simple answer..
No.
Of course that is my opinion....and I'm sticking to it.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
LOL I know
December 19, 2008 - 01:15 ET by PopularTechCarbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
So what you are saying PT
December 19, 2008 - 09:00 ET by general companyIs they would had answered "I do I do" as well. Good grief, talk about walking the tight rope.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Would I drop a candidate over the economy?
December 19, 2008 - 01:00 ET by PopularTechYes - having a job and being able to afford gasoline and my utility bills is important to me.
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GPJ..."I see her, and I see
December 18, 2008 - 22:32 ET by Clear thinkerGPJ..."I see her, and I see Ronald Reagan in a skirt and heels......You bet'cha!"
Ditto!
PT just has this thing about strong women. Must be something from his childhood.
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not only that CT
December 18, 2008 - 22:37 ET by botgshe'a a christian woman
a double anathema for poopdeck
----- Radical Liberal
Palin being Pentecostal is irrelevant
December 18, 2008 - 22:41 ET by PopularTechReligion:
- Pentecostal
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You mean
December 18, 2008 - 22:44 ET by Clear thinkerYou mean "irreverent"?
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I don't have a problem with Palin being Pentecostal
December 18, 2008 - 22:46 ET by PopularTechReligion:
- Pentecostal
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well poppy
December 18, 2008 - 22:53 ET by botgsince you go directly to CNN i can only assume you seek a biased presentation.
my my my how your shared hatreds make strange bedfellows indeed
thanks for proving my point
----- Radical Liberal
Palin has never denied she attended a Pentecostal Church
December 18, 2008 - 22:57 ET by PopularTechUnless of course you say she is lying in that video? But her being Pentecostal is not a problem for me.
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) is Not Pollution
and what i prithee does
December 18, 2008 - 23:01 ET by botgand what i prithee does that have to do with anything?
who ever said she denied being pentacostal?
your learning lib logic well PT, good job!
----- Radical Liberal
Her being Pentacostal
December 18, 2008 - 23:06 ET by Clear thinkerHer being Pentacostal should not bother anyone! Well, maybe Rev. Wright.
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Palin being Pentecostal is better than her being Mormon
December 18, 2008 - 23:16 ET by PopularTechReligion:
- Pentecostal
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;^ )
December 18, 2008 - 23:20 ET by botgall we need do is let you talk......................
----- Radical Liberal
Uh, PT, you're hero is
December 18, 2008 - 23:23 ET by Clear thinkerUh, PT, you're hero is Mormon. Can't you make your mind up?
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I was being sarcastic
December 19, 2008 - 01:06 ET by PopularTechRomney is not my hero, he was just the most qualified.
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you know clear
December 18, 2008 - 23:22 ET by candanceThis has gotten to the point that I don't even bother reading articles about Palin anymore because I don't want to see Pop's "resume" for the fiftieth time.
NB really needs to do something.
I'm a typical white person.
candance... From one
December 18, 2008 - 23:24 ET by Clear thinkercandance...
From one typical white person to another, I agree!
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cd,
December 18, 2008 - 23:26 ET by R D HelmSame here.
-Dave
This nation is about to be brutally raped by the socialists, and the MSM will be a willing participant.
I don't. Because he
December 18, 2008 - 23:46 ET by bigtimerI don't.
Because he dare disagree with you all...why how dare he!
I also disagree...do something with me too.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Thank you BT
December 19, 2008 - 01:08 ET by PopularTechThey wish we all were part of the same collective, it is as bad as Political Correctness.
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First of all Dave
December 18, 2008 - 23:58 ET by shawn228Welcome back, it is great to see you.Second, PT does not spam...he informs ;-)
He had my vote
shawn,
December 19, 2008 - 00:09 ET by R D HelmLOL-I thought he bludgeoned.
-Dave
This nation is about to be brutally raped by the socialists, and the MSM will be a willing participant.
Dave... Why would you of all
December 19, 2008 - 00:12 ET by bigtimerDave...
Why would you of all people... wish that on another long time poster here?
Oh, never mind.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt,
December 19, 2008 - 00:15 ET by R D HelmLOL-I'm just playin.'
And no, I don't want PT booted, I just wish he wouldn't post the same thing in the same thread 8 times.
-Dave
This nation is about to be brutally raped by the socialists, and the MSM will be a willing participant.
Hey Dave.... Glad to hear
December 19, 2008 - 00:43 ET by bigtimerHey Dave....
Glad to hear that...just skip what you know is going to be repetitious to you if you already don't like what you think the poster is saying...that is what I do...even though I like the poster, and I do PT...he gives more to this site than he would ever be a detriment to.
I, for one, am glad for it....even if we don't agree all the time.
Which none of us can all the time by the way...
I guess the only thing that really bothers me is the ganging up on someone, repeatedly, I wished people would not do that...if we all have the same basic goals for this country, we can at least ignore some of the things we all don't agree with with each other, no matter how repeticious, and just ask PT if I haven't said anything to him, like enough already, I have, like it did any good, he has a right to his opinion, same as we all do...and by the way, if you haven't noticed, I am sick of the Palin coronation already here too.
Oh well, I'm dreaming, I know...it will continue on...I just wished good people wouldn't pile on each other.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
lmao Dave
December 19, 2008 - 00:23 ET by shawn228I think it just went to his head after he got a lifetime achievment award ;-) You think he might come up with some new material though.
He had my vote
Seems to me you got a
December 19, 2008 - 00:49 ET by bigtimerSeems to me you got a reward from FS too shawn.
Still tickled pink about that are you?
After-all....everybody lives for one of those...just waiting breathlessly in the Chris Matthews mode....
Pick me....Pick Me!
....talk about LMAO!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Lol BT
December 19, 2008 - 00:57 ET by shawn228Hey it was only an honorable mention ;-) I'm just having a little fun here, I don't want to get you angry. I know how you detest pile ons and ganging up on someone. "Everyone " has a right to their opinion in your fair an balanced mind right? :-)
He had my vote
Right shawn...and fun I
December 19, 2008 - 01:07 ET by bigtimerRight shawn...and fun I had.
Thank you.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
It was by request
December 19, 2008 - 01:05 ET by PopularTechI cannot deny a request.
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Palin is no Reagan
December 18, 2008 - 22:45 ET by PopularTechRonald Reagan:
Age: 70 (When Elected President)
Religion:
- Presbyterian
Education:
- B.A. Economics and Sociology, Eureka College
Professional Experience:
- Actor, 1937-1965
- President, Screen Actors Guild, 1947-1952, 1959-1960
- Second Lieutenant, United States Army Reserve, 1935-1942
- Captain, United States Army Air Force, 1942-1945
Political Experience:
- Governor, California, 1966-1974 (pop: 19,953,134) (8 years)
But you may be right she may be like Reagan in some ways....
President Reagan Signs Amnesty Bill (The New York Times, 1986)
Reagan Signs Measure Easing Entry to U.S. (The New York Times, 1987)
Palin: I support a path to citizenship for illegals (Hot Air)
LMAO!
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Big deal. She shaves her
December 18, 2008 - 22:49 ET by Clear thinkerBig deal. She shaves her legs, he shaved his face.
Oh, and that dig about illegals, it kind of ruins your argument. Reagan also supported a path to citizenship. Remember?
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C'mon
December 18, 2008 - 14:53 ET byShe could have said, "I read the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Times." How about the Anchorage Daily News? USA Today?? The Weekly Reader??? Actually, she said she reads all of them, including the New York Times and the Washington Post. Why not? If all you do on this site is fantasize, why not??
Colemine1210
Damn, you're annoying.
December 18, 2008 - 23:17 ET by R D Helm-Dave
This nation is about to be brutally raped by the socialists, and the MSM will be a willing participant.
please make up minds
December 18, 2008 - 06:44 ET by criticalthinkingme thinks it was this site that found it utterly necissary to constantly remind everyone that Blogo was a Democrat, even after every one aready knew he was a democrat....i recall articals on this site that complaned a week into the scandal that media writers weren't reminding readers constantly enough that Blogo was a democrat....so how can, on one side, we demand the reiteration of an obvious and relevant fact, but then condemn that same action when it is against one of us....sure, failure is a little strong, but so is the idea that because blago was a jerk, all democrats are jerks, or that we should in some convoluted way contrive a relationship between him and obama....just a thought
me thinks it was this site
December 18, 2008 - 06:53 ET by Newsbusterbrownme thinks it was this site that found it utterly necissary to constantly remind everyone that Blogo was a Democrat, even after every one aready knew he was a democrat
Wrong. Everyone outside of Illinois does not that Blago is a Democrat, while everyone breathing in the US knows that Palin was the Republican candidate for VP.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Hey, Newsbusterbrown...
December 18, 2008 - 06:57 ET by Warner Todd HustonIsn't it amusing that a guy that calls himself "criticalthinking" can't spell and hasn't the first idea about punctuation?
It just makes me laugh.
Isn't it amusing that a guy
December 18, 2008 - 07:10 ET by NewsbusterbrownIsn't it amusing that a guy that calls himself "criticalthinking" can't spell and hasn't the first idea about punctuation?
I thought about calling him out on that, Warner, but I would have jinxed myself by making my own spelling and/or grammatical error in my last post. :-)
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Hey Warner
December 18, 2008 - 07:12 ET by shawn228I heard more than once, I think it might have even been from you that it was bad etiquette to make fun of somebody's spelling.
Also it has been 8 years since Al Gore ran for President and 4 years for Kerry. Obama is not even the President yet, perhaps that is why the failed victory is fresh in the msm minds.
He had my vote
Also it has been 8 years
December 18, 2008 - 07:22 ET by NewsbusterbrownAlso it has been 8 years since Al Gore ran for President and 4 years for Kerry. Obama is not even the President yet, perhaps that is why the failed victory is fresh in the msm minds.
If anything, the AP should be reminding us more about the failed candidacies of both Gore and Kerry anytime they are mentioned in the paper, since more people would be unaware of 2000 and 2004 than 2008, right?
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
→ Remember John McCain"
December 18, 2008 - 07:24 ET by Cool ArrowIf the press felt some need to preempt another run at the Presidency by John McCain, I'm sure they'd be addressing that issue also.
The question we are asking is whether it should be the mission of the Press to immediately engage in running interference for the Obama 2012 campaign.
The question we are asking
December 18, 2008 - 07:33 ET by NewsbusterbrownThe question we are asking is whether it should be the mission of the Press to immediately engage in running interference for the Obama 2012 campaign.
That is exactly their mission. Unfortunately, that is a top priority instead of reporting the news.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
shawn, what the heck is a
December 18, 2008 - 07:27 ET by motherbeltshawn, what the heck is a "failed victory"????
I'm just poking a little fun at you...hope you're not offended. I know you mean failed campaign.
Anyway, the word "failed" IMO is completely unnecessary in this context, since the election was just over a month ago.
You'll notice they never called Biden "the failed Presidential candidate who was chosen for the VP slot."
Or how about the candidate who said that Obama wasn't ready to be President?
It's all about what they want to point out and what they want to erase from people's memories.
It's all about what they
December 18, 2008 - 07:32 ET by NewsbusterbrownIt's all about what they want to point out and what they want to erase from people's memories.
I wish liberals could be honest about this. If I can acknowledge that Fox News leans to the right, they should be able to do the same for most of the Old Media institutions. Yet, they still want us to believe that these Dem cheerleaders are unbiased and fair. Bull!
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
→ Failed victory
December 18, 2008 - 07:39 ET by Cool ArrowYou're right mother. We all post things that don't come out exactly as we meant them.
I'd offer, though, that Palin's foray onto the National political scene was a success, and it was McCain's blatant liberal positions that scrubbed the campaign.
McCain could possibly have been President had he parlayed that campaign suspension moment into an obstinate insurrection against the Bush bailout, thus positioning himself against the President while Obama played ball.
McCain torpedoed his own campaign.
I'd offer, though, that
December 18, 2008 - 08:08 ET by NewsbusterbrownI'd offer, though, that Palin's foray onto the National political scene was a success, and it was McCain's blatant liberal positions that scrubbed the campaign.
I don't know if she would have won, but Palin at the top of the ticket would have certainly made it much closer (and liberals know this, of course).
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
I don't know
December 18, 2008 - 08:16 ET by Scuba DudeI don't know Newsbusterbrown, I think if she was at the top of the ticket she would have run an entirely different campaign that McCain. We most likely would have heard more about all his connections with Wright, Rezko, Ayers and others. And I think in the debates she would have hammered away at the Fannie & Freddie ties he and the Democrats had.
Come 2012 if she runs for President with the experiance she received from this campaign and the additional experiance from completing her 1st term as the Alaskan Governor I believe she will be a formidable candidate and would utterly devastate Bambi in any debate.
Governor I believe she will
December 18, 2008 - 09:01 ET by NewsbusterbrownGovernor I believe she will be a formidable candidate and would utterly devastate Bambi in any debate.
I think we're on the same page there, Scuba.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
McCain torpedoed his own
December 18, 2008 - 08:52 ET by motherbeltMcCain torpedoed his own campaign.
Let me count the ways......
Out of context
December 18, 2008 - 07:37 ET by Warner Todd HustonActually, Shawn, that is sort of an out of context quote from me. To explain... yes, I DO think it's bad form to attack someone for a spelling or punctuation error.
I repeat A spelling or punctuation error.
I can ignore an occasional misspelling. I can forgive a garbled bit of grammar here and there. Hell, I'm no expert at it all myself! But, when someone writes something that it riddled with them throughout, that is not a sign of a slip or an accident. That is a sign of ignorance. And ignorance that blatant imputes a concerted untrustworthiness of content.
One simply cannot take someone seriously when their every other word is spelled wrong, when no grammar is in evidence, etc.
So, there ya go. A misspelling here and there is no big deal. But dozens of them is a red flag.
→ I try
December 18, 2008 - 07:42 ET by Cool ArrowI try, but am not always successful, to misspell everything incorrectly.
I no whut u meen
December 18, 2008 - 07:47 ET by Warner Todd HustonSomehow, everything I write rises to the height of a Shakespearean sonnet... until I type it out.
→ Me too WTH
December 18, 2008 - 07:50 ET by Cool ArrowHath not adieu I's?
D&mn, I'm good.
Me thinks you don't think
December 18, 2008 - 08:28 ET by CobraManMe thinks you don't think. The subject of Mr. Hudson's article in NB is the fact that the AP continually refers to her as a "failed" republican candidate, and not a FORMER Republican candidate. It's the constant reference to a negative term, "FAILED," that so many people here are objecting to.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
→ Ed Zackly Cobra
December 18, 2008 - 08:49 ET by Cool ArrowWho is referring to Obama's failed public housing renovation plan in Chicago?
Of course nobody's talking about Obama's success in raising the murder rate in Chicago to double that of NYC, either.
Maybe the Press is being fair in not reporting Obama's true successes and failures.
Step up
December 18, 2008 - 14:58 ET byWork on your spelling, please. When you respond on this site, the True Believers will tear you apart on any pretext: your looks, your spelling, anything other than the substance of your argument. Your argument is simple and absolutely true, so don't leave yourself vulnerable. Check your spelling before you post. Those of us who really do think critically have a higher obligation to be correct in all the details.
Colemine1210
you think that you think
December 18, 2008 - 15:03 ET by botgyou think that you think critically?
the delusion is strong in this one..........
----- Radical Liberal
I think that the distinction
December 18, 2008 - 15:14 ET by sherylsimsI think that the distinction needs to be made between 'thinking critically' and 'being critical'. Spelling isn't the point of this site. Grammer is important in that it helps understanding, but I am much more interested in the thoughts people have here than I am whether or not they spelled every word correctly.
Thinking...
December 18, 2008 - 20:08 ET by RukusSpelling Nazi and thinking don't belong in the same sentence. You think "critically "?? Hehe hehe ha ha BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Stop "thinking" troll!! You have NO argument here! In the immortal words of Sméagol: Goooo AWAY!
Uncle Gary
"Bri is with Jesus now, we will meet again, just not right now. We love you Bri!"
Hey junior! As along as
December 18, 2008 - 20:22 ET by Trix RabbitHey junior! As along as you've taken on the mantle of being a spelling nazi, you misspelled "phenomenonally" in a previous, yet unforgettable post.
How in the hell is it self-evident that you of all people, junior, are capable of critical thinking?
Too bad if that sounds cruel, but rejection, or in your case, extreme revulsion serves a purpose: it is to give you a clue that you're on the wrong path. It's a sublte hint that you need to find some kind of socially beneficial role to fulfill.
Liberal: a power worshipper without power. George Orwell
Dont worry TR
December 18, 2008 - 20:33 ET by general companyToo bad if that sounds cruel, but rejection, or in your case, extreme revulsion serves a purpose:
No doubt he suffers far worse every day.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
For someone named
December 18, 2008 - 23:17 ET by RESTLESS 1For someone named "criticalthinking", you don't do much of it. It isn't the term "republican" that we object to, you reprobate.
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
A complete and utter failure
December 18, 2008 - 07:43 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsNotice the AP failed to mention how Obama failed to complete the illegal sale of his Senate seat whose term he failed to finish.
D
Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
→ DFTT
December 18, 2008 - 07:48 ET by Cool ArrowHe failed to fill his own seat after his election to the Senate.
Now that Obama's been elected President, what will he run for next?
Hopefully he will be
December 18, 2008 - 08:07 ET by Scuba DudeHopefully he will be running for the Oval office exit crying and stammering because he found out he actually has to do some work for once.
President for Life
December 18, 2008 - 08:27 ET by CobraMan"Now that Obama's been elected President, what will he run for next?"
President for Life, of course.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Now that Obama's been
December 18, 2008 - 08:53 ET by motherbeltNow that Obama's been elected President, what will he run for next?
King of the World!!!
→ King of the World
December 18, 2008 - 08:58 ET by Cool ArrowI can see him hanging over the stem with Scarlett Johanssen shouting that.
Did you say hanging? Better
December 18, 2008 - 09:02 ET by Warner Todd HustonDid you say hanging? Better watch that er they'll call you a racist!
→ OOPS Sorry
December 18, 2008 - 09:10 ET by Cool ArrowThe reference was to "Titanic", but I can see where the Libs could run with that comment. Thanks.
I think "Titanic" is appropriate, though. Obama can supervise reorganizing the deck chairs.
And now yer making fun of
December 18, 2008 - 09:16 ET by Warner Todd HustonAnd now yer making fun of his weight. You ARE politically incorrect.
...oh, wait. That would be gigantic, not titanic. Never mind.
But WTH
December 18, 2008 - 09:20 ET by Cool ArrowAt least I didn't relegate him to the role of Isaac Washington, the bartender on Love Boat.
I was thinking more like JJ
December 18, 2008 - 09:38 ET by Warner Todd HustonI was thinking more like JJ Evens from Good Times! But, at least he ain't no Rerun! Hey, Hey, Hey, Rog.
→ Learned from Bill Ayers
December 18, 2008 - 09:42 ET by Cool ArrowDY-NO-MITE!
It's OK. He said "stem",
December 18, 2008 - 09:48 ET by HockeyKidIt's OK. He said "stem", not "yardarm". :)
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Yarrrrr. Say that with a
December 18, 2008 - 09:50 ET by Warner Todd HustonYarrrrr. Say that with a smile, matey!
Suddenly I got a taste for some Long John Silver's fish.
I think you meant stern not
December 18, 2008 - 09:25 ET by Scuba DudeI think you meant stern not stem. But the stern is the back of the ship you racist!!!! LOL
The bow is where you can pretend you are "flying".
→ I'm a landlubber
December 18, 2008 - 09:28 ET by Cool ArrowWhat do I know from bearings?
Jesse Jackson knows bearings, doesn't he?
CA had it right...
December 18, 2008 - 11:06 ET by Dan DiegoStem is correct, as in "from stem to stern".
Stem: A. the upright piece to which the side timbers or plates are attached to form the prow of a ship. B. the forward part of a ship; prow; bow.
I was going to say I stand
December 18, 2008 - 11:20 ET by Scuba DudeI was going to say I stand corrected (even though I'm sitting) : ), but upon further research, the stem is part of the forward part of a ship, but the bow is the point most forward when the ship is underway.
So the characters from Titanic would be standing on the bow of a ship and not the stem.
Links to wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_(ship)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_(ship)
Splitting Hairs...
December 18, 2008 - 11:54 ET by Dan DiegoThe stem is the very most forward part of a boat or ship's bow and is an extension of the keel itself; Wiki
I guess then it's a case of
December 18, 2008 - 12:04 ET by Scuba DudeI guess then it's a case of ta-may-toe versus ta-mah-toe.
I say let's call it off then.
Roger that.
December 18, 2008 - 12:49 ET by Dan DiegoRoger that.
Life on other planets
December 18, 2008 - 15:00 ET byHow's life on Bizarro Earth, that planet in the same orbit as the Earth, on the other side of the sun?
Colemine1210
feeling
December 18, 2008 - 15:05 ET by botgfeeling homesick?????
----- Radical Liberal
botg,
December 18, 2008 - 23:21 ET by R D HelmROFL!
-Dave
This nation is about to be brutally raped by the socialists, and the MSM will be a willing participant.
Yet another piece of
December 18, 2008 - 08:03 ET by marvlYet another piece of nonsense from that failed news reporting agency, the AP.
Bill Richardson is the perfect example of bias & hate.......
December 18, 2008 - 08:25 ET by ConScottNM Gov. Bill Richardson failed in his bid for the Dem nomination. Now he's designated for appointment to Obama's cabinet. So where's the AP coverage, where's much of any coverage on the FBI's corruption investigation? Compare to Palin's "Troopergate."
Most interesting is that Richardson is a hunter, but he sort of prefers those canned hunts, you know, put up a fence and release the game for a guaranteed kill. And he supported cockfighting up until the time he decided to make a run for the White House, and, of course, Jay Leno called him out on it in front of a national audience. Compare to Palin hunting for moose or the interview featuring a turkey being killed. Both were very bad in the eyes of the media, but for Richardson......Does total silence equate to good?
Amazing, but it no way surprising.
Not only that, but he named
December 18, 2008 - 09:04 ET by motherbeltNot only that, but he named Richardson while the "failed Presidential candidate" is under investigation for "pay to play" in New Mexico!
He's been under investigation since the summer, which you undoubtedly knew, since it's been flogged on all the network news, right?
\sarc
WaPo Headline...........
December 18, 2008 - 09:53 ET by ConScottYou gotta love the WaPo headline on this story: "Grand Jury Investigates Richardson Contributor" You've got to find your way to the 2nd paragraph (ACORN folks avg. .05 paragraphs) to learn that the real story is "Feds Conduct Richardson Corruption Probe," the headline UPI correctly uses.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/15/AR2008121502940.html?hpid=topnews
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/16/Feds_conduct_Richardson_corruption_probe/UPI-61981229430725/
John Kerry, a failed Presidential candiate
December 18, 2008 - 09:09 ET by 10ksnooker... has failed at everything he has tried, except marrying rich widows.
Hehe. "Senator John
December 18, 2008 - 09:51 ET by HockeyKidHehe. "Senator John Kerry, renowned for his unsurpassed excellence at failing, has added to his already impressive record..."
"Beauty is only skin deep, but liberal's to the bone." - me
Barack Obama a 'Failed and Flawed Human'?
December 18, 2008 - 09:51 ET by Retired GeekBarack
Obama's friends, Mentors, religious advisers and alliances, look like
the 'Who's Who of Radicals, Terrorists, Hate Mongers and Racists' in
America.
The question is:
Are fundamentally flawed and corrupt people attracted to Barack Obama?
OR
Is Barack Obama attracted to fundamentally flawed and corrupt people?
OR
Is it just a mutual admiration society?
Retired
December 18, 2008 - 17:21 ET by NorthCoasterI agree, a person is known by the company they keep.
Stupid Lib Tricks.
December 18, 2008 - 10:04 ET by tomchrisDon't you love these pathetic "guilt-by-word-association" games played by the msm. No shameless, bottom of the tank, left-leaning reporter can type the name "Sarah Palin" without attaching the words "failed" or "polls showed she dragged the McCain/Palin ticket blah, blah, blah." (And oh, let's not forget that she's a Republican).
But of course, there was no such negativity hurled at John Edwards who along with John Kerry was beated by (Gulp!) President Bush. Remember, Edwards lost not only a Vice Presidential position, but TWO Presidential runs as wells. Throw in infidelity and a possible love child and you can call Edwards many things. But "failed?" Naahhh!
Failed news agency AP
December 18, 2008 - 10:25 ET by Scuba DudeFailed news agency AP continues it's attempt to be relevent despite losses.
News?
December 18, 2008 - 17:20 ET by NorthCoasterAP= Always Pathetic
And so is David Letterman
December 18, 2008 - 22:45 ET by nwahsAnd every night David Letterman does a Palin joke in lieu of an Obama joke and he gets no heat about it. Enough is enough. David Letterman is the biggest late night Obama prostitute and he remains unscathed on this board - why?
Letterman is a bigger fool than any on "The View" and yet there is no day by day coverage of his mean spirited monologues, as they are of the idiotic "View".
Good point, but why would
December 18, 2008 - 22:46 ET by Clear thinkerGood point, but why would anyone stay up that late to cover him?
Polar Bear Commits Suicide
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
Well, I think it would cost him money
December 18, 2008 - 22:50 ET by nwahsI think if he recieved a deserving Rosie O'donnell reputation, it would cost him money. And it should. He's from the same mold, just slightly more clever and just as mean spirited and hateful toward conservatives.
I think you have a great
December 18, 2008 - 22:53 ET by Clear thinkerI think you have a great idea. You stay up and cover him, ok?
Polar Bear Commits Suicide
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
I can't stomach him :)
December 18, 2008 - 22:58 ET by nwahsI watch reruns of Seinfeld and Kramer. I can't stomach Letterman or Leno.
The late late Scottish guy is funny as hell, though :D
You just have to love
December 18, 2008 - 22:54 ET by SvenYou just have to love this!
The Media is scared sheetless of this lady :-)
Don't let this story fool you, they see her as a potent threat against The One in 2012. She'll be dynamite NOT being attached to the RINO!
We have four years to go
December 18, 2008 - 22:59 ET by bigtimerWe have four years to go yet.
I just need a break from all these characters.
Plus I hope I live long enough to see a real strong, outspoken conservative leader!
Male of female, not a manufactured political pol.
I fear I won't win.
Oh well, nothing new.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT, it'll happen.
December 19, 2008 - 01:39 ET by Michael30My father is a liberal democrat, right up until the recent election results were tallied, he told me that he "knew" that America would never elect a black man for president. He was wrong.
The reason I mention this is that whenever something seems certain (like your comment that you'll probably never see a true conservative leader,) somehow, the times make it possible. Even whenever the very thought of it was impossible a few months before.
I hate to say it, republicans became complacent. They could sell out their beliefs to become media darlings. Of those that didn't sell out, some became arrogant, some became corrupt and some became worse.
Even though Senator Obama was a relative nobody, he represented change and dissent to enough people to win this last election.
Now it's the liberal's turn to run things (and they shall make the very same mistakes,) that will culminate in conservatives really being themselves again, they will have no choice (well, unless they wish to go the way of the dinosaur.) It is always that way, the real conservatives have no need to be convinced, they only need to be inspired. Convincing is for the moderates and independents who swing like a pendulum in a clock during elections.
Without Carter, there would have been no Reagan. Without Clinton there would not have been a "Republican Revolution."
Saying you will never see something is a great way to hear God laugh. I would venture to guess that soon enough, there will be a voice that will inspire conservatives again. It has happened all my life (granted, only 30 years so far.) Then they can work on the convincing. That is the only real problem, the pendulum.
Mike
Evening Michael... You
December 19, 2008 - 01:50 ET by bigtimerEvening Michael...
You just made this semi-old gal smile...big time.
I know in my heart you are right.
You just remember the words you sent to me on down the long road ahead in your life when you feel beaten...and believe me that takes a lot for me to feel that way.
Promise me that.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT, it's a funny thing, being "beaten..."
December 19, 2008 - 02:31 ET by Michael30Being defeated only means that a person lost a particular battle. Heck, all of us in lives take a nice beating from time to time. That's just the way life is. You just need to have the ability to stand up again.
Heck, I just read the Mika Brizenski (no way I spelled that right...If so, it's completely accidental. Of that I am certain,) and read about small people beating the snot out of big guys. I'm 6'7 and about 270lbs. Now that I know that small people can destroy me, well, that's not much of a morale booster...
In all seriousness, I said those words about conservatism to you because it seems logical to me that they will happen. The torch of conservatism is more important than it's bearer.
Just as long as conservatives can prove to the people that bearer is worthy of the flame, conservatives will be fine.
It really isn't that hard to do. It's almost obscene how easy it SHOULD be.
Mike
Oh yea Michael, have so
December 19, 2008 - 02:55 ET by bigtimerOh yea Michael, have so much to learn yet...but like I said the other night...you just carry that torch....but I am no way, no how, done fighting yet.
...and by the way, it is not ever easy, nor will it ever be..that is why I am depending on youngsters like you...how easy something should be and is..well now, that is a different story...you and your generation that are like minded are going to have to take up the slack eventually...that is how life works, and with people like you to do so...I will rest easy.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Well BT, we have no other choice.
December 19, 2008 - 03:26 ET by Michael30If it were easy, everyone would do it. My generation grew up thinking that the democrats and liberals were for the people, whereas the conservatives were only for the rich like Scrooge and all.
It is a difficult struggle to correct that. Nothing in life is free, everything is difficult in life. It should be, it makes a person hard and determined. I find nothing wrong with that.
I actually like doing something to contribute to this nation that gave me everything, it doesn't matter what job I had, from washing dishes to managing a bar to going to a university. If nothing else, at least I paid my taxes and didn't complain.
I didn't have to worry about a Hutu rebellion hacking me to pieces with machetes though. I feel I owe this nation something for that, as well as the many other opportunities that others have realized. I feel this way because the country only owes me an opportunity, not a guarantee of success.
Mike
P.S. You asked me in the previous message to promise you to never give in, I answer now that, to the best of my ability I will not surrender. Luckily, there are people smarter than me, as well as more qualified, doing just that. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Mike... You are a
December 19, 2008 - 03:34 ET by bigtimerMike...
You are a blessing.
Simple as that.
I will have to catch you when I catch you next, which I look forward to...time for me to turn in.
Have a good one...
Always carry on.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT, you are probably gone now, but I had to respond...
December 19, 2008 - 03:43 ET by Michael30Well, I wouldn't go so far as to call me a blessing, but I do thank you for the compliment.
Yeah, you'll catch me again, I'm kinda like the flu in that regard.
I will carry on, as per your request, the beauty of it is that I'm not the only one to do so. This site proves that.
Mike
I know Mike. Bless you
December 19, 2008 - 03:53 ET by bigtimerI know Mike.
Bless you anyway.
Night all..catch you when I catch you.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Good morning Michael
December 19, 2008 - 03:50 ET by cocodrieYour way of thinking was the norm when I graduated high school in '57 because most of the teachers thought that way.
My wife was a teacher in high school until 2000 and it is unbelievable how many teachers are flaming liberals. It's a real struggle to teach the new generation a proper attitude when they are being dragged in the other direction.
Hopefully more and more of us will wake up before it"s too late.
Cocodrie, sorry about how long it took.
December 20, 2008 - 03:25 ET by Michael30You do have a point that most public school classes are rather skewed to a particular point of view. I do, however, offer you some hope. If I saw through it, I'm certain that others will as well.
I really am not that smart (I mean, I can spell my name and all, but you get the idea,) I just needed to live in the real world for a few minutes to figure out that I didn't know nearly as much as I thought I did.
Others will learn that same lesson, they really won't have much of a choice. Life takes a 2x4 to you pretty quickly if you think the world owes you something just for being born.
Granted, there are exceptions, but then again we all can't be named Kennedy.
Mike