Naturally, the U.S. media is following the terrorist crimes in Mumbai, India, as well they should. But, the attacks seem to be the Old Media's only interest where it concerns India and Pakistan, of late, for they've completely ignored the several mistakes that Barack Obama has already made with his attempts at foreign policy with the two embattled nations.
Back on November 11, I noted that Obama had made his first mistakes with both India and Pakistan by mishandling early talks with their leaders (or not having them at all, as the case may be). During his first major effort to contact foreign leaders as president elect, Obama called Pakistan’s President Asif Ali Zardari but neglected to call India's Prime Minister, Manmohan Singh. This short shrifting did not sit well with the Indian government.
Then, Obama appointed to his transition team a woman named Sonal Shah whom the Pakistanis say has ties with a violent Hindu Nationalist Party in India that they claim is responsible for a rampage in Gujarat, India that killed many Muslims and Christians.
Worse, during his outreach to Pakistan's Zardari, Obama promised that he'd help settle the trouble between India and Pakistan over Kashmir and he did this without asking India if his help was wanted by India. As a result, India got its nose out of joint and immediately said that Obama's "help" with Kashmir was not wanted.
Well, more on Obama's unwanted offer with the Kashmir problem has been reported by various Indian and Pakistani news agencies. An Indian official has reiterated that Obama's help with Kashmir was neither asked for nor wanted. External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee refused Obama's offer again at a recent press conference held with Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi.
The Indian Express news group reports that on Wednesday Mukherjee "shot down US President-elect Barack Obama’s suggestion that former US President Bill Clinton could prod India and Pakistan into making peace over Kashmir."
The remarks were also reported at KashmirWatch.com.
On Jammu and Kashmir, Mukherjee rejected any third party interference, when asked to comment on the reports that the US president-elect was moving to appoint Bill Clinton as his emissary to settle Kashmir issue. "There was no question of the intervention of third party. Kashmir is a bilateral issue between India and Pakistan. It is part of composite dialogue process," he stressed.
These are some embarrassing stumbles on India and Pakistan and shows that Obama won’t be able to flash his dazzling smile and have the world's leaders just fall at the feet of The One happy to follow his policy ideas.
Curiously, I can't find this news reporting Obama’s thus far failed attempts at diplomacy in any American news source. Why do you think that is?
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Because they don`t want to
November 28, 2008 - 05:11 ET by chessplayerBecause they don`t want to see him fail at anything, they will completely ignore any mistakes he makes.
How come...
November 28, 2008 - 05:23 ET by Red Jeep...Obama hasn't had a conversation with the terrorists yet? Maybe the terrorists are misunderstood. Have a dialog with our world neighbors... See if we can work things out.
Obama Capone
November 28, 2008 - 06:03 ET by StargodWhenever
anyone tells me that Obama is going to change things now that he's in the White
House, I always compare it to this...Substituting Barack Obama for George Bush
is like switching from Al Capone to John Gotti. Both are members of the
criminal syndicate which runs this country and the world at large.
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Alex Jones? Ummm,
November 28, 2008 - 07:28 ET by ckc1227Alex Jones?
Ummm, yeah.....
Yeah, nothing says
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Its amazing these bots can type enough to blog. Wackjobbery on the march...
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wow
November 28, 2008 - 12:02 ET by nathanbforreststocked up on tin foil for hats, did you ?
never look a gift skunk in the tail
US president-elect was
November 28, 2008 - 06:16 ET by motherbeltUS president-elect was moving to appoint Bill Clinton as his emissary to settle Kashmir issue
Isn't it rather arrogant to think that someone from the US can waltz in and "settle" anything?
Isn't this attitude the same thing he has excoriated President Bush for?
Oh, I get it....this is "The One" imposing the solution. What was I thinking?
Wasn't Joe Biden
November 28, 2008 - 06:44 ET by littlemissmuffinWasn't Joe Biden supposed to be the expert on foreign relations? Guess "That One" didn't consult "Mr.-Gaffe-A-Day" before he made his call to Pakistan and forgot to call India.
Of course the MSM will allow "That One" to get by with anything. "That One" can do no wrong! (heavy on the sarcasm)
"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!"
Get used to it!
November 28, 2008 - 07:06 ET by flyingmonkeyThese are the actions of a person who has achieved his greatness with the help of affirmative action. He has as much of a clue as a two sport athlete on scholarship to MIT.
This does not surprise me.
November 28, 2008 - 07:33 ET by NortonalecI am sure this will be the first of many pratt-falls we will see in the next four years. Sit back and enjoy.
Is it just me, or does anyone else hate how he pronounces Pakistan? Pak-e-stan, with the e really exaggerated. That really makes me itch. Also, the way he over devliers the s at the end of words. He kind of whistles them. I truly can't stand listening to him.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever."~David St. Hubbins
Yes
November 28, 2008 - 07:36 ET by littlemissmuffinI've read and reread the word Pakistan, and there is still no "E" in it. Grates on my nerves.
"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!"
You're not alone
November 28, 2008 - 09:55 ET by Lee BoggsIrritates the hell out of me. I've said many times that his voice annoy me. You summed it up.
Obama shall be the ultimate failure of Affirmative Action
November 28, 2008 - 08:00 ET by PopularTechOnce people wake up to the fact that Affirmative Action is a racist socialist policy we may get real change.
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Did I miss something...
November 28, 2008 - 08:04 ET by Jcon96Or do most his "mistakes" seem to be against India? Besides the Shah appointment, his mis-steps seem to be designed to get on India's nerves. Interesting...
india's nerves
November 28, 2008 - 13:15 ET by nathanbforrestdidn't bidet make some ridiculous comment about indians and 7-11's ?? .. the cow patty doesn't fall far from the cow ..
never look a gift skunk in the tail
Yes he did
November 28, 2008 - 18:38 ET by MichiganVetI think that was part of Plugs-Biden's opening act.
Followed by knee-slappers like "Stand up, Chuck, let 'em see ya.", "When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television", "a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S, jobs" and the classic "next President of the United States — Barack America!".
Remember he's a heartbeat from the presidency!
I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy
Afraid of What Will Happen
November 28, 2008 - 08:07 ET by MystapittI agree that he is a gaff machine and the media will always cover for him. Unfortuantately I am fearful of the gaff he will make that turns into an international crisis. He is very flip and overconfident. Say what you want about President Bush, but he was always humble. Nothing wrong with a little cockiness, but President Elect Obama better watch himself.
Circle the wagons!
November 28, 2008 - 08:11 ET by billbHe's not even president yet and the media is already in damage control mode. CNN has really got to be kidding....Joe Johns cannot possibly be that dumb! He suggests that maybe "The One" needs to start negogiating with world leaders before 1/20/09. It's so predictable to watch this new administration jump back and forth between, "We have only one president at a time" and "We need to hit the ground running and should take over now" Of course the choice is determined by the political outcome. This empty suit hasn't realized that the campaign is over and voting PRESENT won't work any more. Don't get me wrong, it doesn't do me or anyone else any good to have him fail. I just don't share the MSM's confidence.
Dec 1st surprise?
November 28, 2008 - 08:36 ET by littlemissmuffinThe Supreme Court has called for "That One" to provide his birth certificate by December 1st. I googled it and clicked on the link, but my browser was redirected (I'm having severe computer problems), so I cannot provide the link to the article. However, I can provide the google link. It's the first one on the page:
http://www.google.co...
"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!"
He needs more than proof of
November 28, 2008 - 09:34 ET by NL207He needs more than proof of live birth in the US.
Why? Because it is common knowledge he was adopted by his step-father, Soetoro, in Indonesia as a child, a formal renunciation of his former citizenship by his mother.
He also needs an oath of citizenship taken here in the US after his majority along with an approved application for reinstatemnet of his US citizensip, again, applied for by him after his age of majority. By this means he repudiates his mother's choice of citizenship made for him as a minor and re-establishes US citizenship, providing he was indeed born here in the first place.
Perhaps---
November 28, 2008 - 12:41 ET by misterbillPerhaps--- proving his citizenship is above his paygrade!!!!
ha ha ha
November 28, 2008 - 14:01 ET by littlemissmuffinmisterbill: You made me laugh! Ah, such a nice feeling to be ABLE to laugh occasionally with this disaster our country is in. Thanks, misterbill.
"If we conservatives moved to those seven non-existent States, the government couldn’t find us and tax us to death!"
best explanation of why "o" is not eligible
November 28, 2008 - 16:41 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionaccording to attorney leo donofrio, "that one" is not eligible no matter where he was born! at issue is his father's british/kenyan citizenship, creating a divided loyalty for "o", and thereby disqualifying him, per our constitutional definition of "natural born citizen". best explanation: http://www.lanlamphere.com/public/2008/11/22/what-is-a-natural-born-citizen-by-leo-donofrio/
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Here is more info also
November 28, 2008 - 16:49 ET by bigtimerHere is more info also with a lot of links inside.
h/t to needle.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
thanks, bt!
November 28, 2008 - 17:04 ET by clinging to my guns and my religiongreat link! very informative.... this issue, thank goodness, just isn't going to be swept under the rug.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
ctmgar...I wished you
November 28, 2008 - 17:26 ET by bigtimerctmgar...
I wished you were right, but I think it will be swept under the rug, otherwise we would have heard about this issue on the msm somewhere long ago, let alone conservative talk radio, which I haven't heard a word about, with the exception of Rush once, and briefly at that.
Last week a caller into the Washington Journal brought this subject up and the guest Alexis Simendinger from the National Journal I think it is, said it was IRRELEVANT and the host Greta something asked "What does it MATTER?"
I came unglued!
So much for the Constitution...once again.
If this is swept under the rug, I will never address O as President...ever.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I agree bt. I go absolutely
November 28, 2008 - 17:34 ET by sherylsimsI agree bt. I go absolutely nutball, flippin crazy over the fact that this is happening and we have yet to see ANY of it on ANY of the news outlets. My own son thinks I am crazy for doubting Obama is a citizen because he says if it were so he would have seen it on the news SOMEWHERE. I think they are hoping it will all get swept under the rug and then if they haven't reported it at all there will be nothing to follow up on and they can just pretend that it was all a bunch of "nutcases" who hated him so much they were grasping at straws. They figure that by reporting it they validate it somehow.
Hi sheryl... I have been
November 28, 2008 - 17:41 ET by bigtimerHi sheryl...
I have been more than disappointed with the right talk radio silence...I just do not understand this at all.
Are they afraid of being called racist or off their rockers, when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.
I just shake my head anymore...I read a lot about this before I ever commented about any of this here, just to make sure myself this wasn't just a bunch of bull, you would think others would do the same that have the air waves.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I know. I try really hard to
November 28, 2008 - 17:54 ET by sherylsimsI know. I try really hard to not sound like some crazy lunatic when I am around people who don't do as much research of current events and politics as I do. When I first read about this, I was already pretty deep into reasons why Obama wouldn't be good for the country, and I followed the story with hope that something of this magnitude couldn't possibly be ignored for long, and that once there was proof that the birth certificate was a forgery or that there were actual lawsuits that we would hear about it in the more mainstream news outlets. When nothing was reported anywhere (except here and WND) I began to wonder how that could be. That is about the same time the crazy set in. Now I am just a ranting, drooling, nutcase. (I hope it doesn't show...)
the scotus is set to "conference" on the donofrio suit 12/5...
November 28, 2008 - 17:58 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionbut i would not take bets on how much farther it will go. still, i'm praying.... (gave up "hope" on 11/4!)
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
I don't have much HOPE that
November 28, 2008 - 18:16 ET by sherylsimsI don't have much HOPE that anything will CHANGE but I do have this great fantasy where it is decided he is ineligible to run and the electoral college doesn't produce enough votes for him and poor little guy sitting there in his "Office of the President Elect" in front of his "Official Seal of the Office of the President Elect" looking at Michelle with confusion and saying, "Uh... umm... No Honey, I don't know why they won't let us live in the white house... maybe because they are all RACISTS..." and then Michelle beating him over the head and making him pay for not giving her the life she so richly deserves.
I think perhaps that is part of why they keep harping on Sarah Palin's lack of "qualifications" just in case the electoral college had to go with the "second runner up" and she ended up in the White House after all. My fantasy life is rich and full, but I doubt any of it will happen that way.
At this point
November 28, 2008 - 18:27 ET by Warner Todd HustonAt this point, whether he is actually a real citizen or not, I doubt anything will come of it. He's the prez and that is that. I sincerely doubt the SCOTUS would take the case.
yeah, he's gotten a pass on everything so far...
November 28, 2008 - 18:39 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...but we are talking about the highest law in the land. as a good American, who has always been proud of America, i just cannot fathom that the men and women of the scotus will not uphold our constitution. it is beyond me. in this case, i would rather cling to my fantasy that good will triumph over evil. wow, scary......
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Yeah Warner...doesn't
November 28, 2008 - 18:50 ET by bigtimerYeah Warner...doesn't Thomas have to have four others on the bench to join with him to bring this up?
I may have the number wrong but I think that is what I read last week somewhere.
Anyway, there isn't a possible way I see that happening, which is just plain disgusting as it is their job after all to follow the Constitution, but hey, a little thing like that never got in the way before with quite a few of these leftist wonders sitting high above.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
And really, the REAL
November 28, 2008 - 19:06 ET by sherylsimsAnd really, the REAL question is: Say they deem him ineligible, what happens then? Do they go with the second runner-up? Or would it still be a Democrat? (like, Hillary?) Or would they have to do the election all over again? Since nothing like this has ever happened before, and since the Democratic party is partly responsible by running an ineligible candidate they really should just have to forfeit. (Like THAT would happen...) Imagine if it were given to McCain and Palin after all... There would be no END to the uproar we would hear from the people who said that BUSH stole the election twice. It won't happen. Warner is right. He is our president and we just have to get used to the idea. Yuck
i'm afraid y'all are right...
November 28, 2008 - 19:14 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...but that doesn't mean i have to accept it. even though it will probably be forced on us, i will never, ever believe it is legal.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
ctmg... Like I said
November 28, 2008 - 19:20 ET by bigtimerctmg...
Like I said before, unless these questions are answered I will never address O as President, ever.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
I think
November 28, 2008 - 19:27 ET by Warner Todd HustonI think the decision will be made that it would just be too divisive and prone to social unrest if Obama were disqualified. I think that the SCOTUS will weigh safety and riots against his Constitutional eligibility and they will come down on the safety factor. I think they will decide "for the good of the country" not to take the case. That's just what I think they'll do.
but wth, wouldn't it be better...
November 28, 2008 - 19:37 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion... to have unrest at the prevention of having a usurper in office, than to have unrest because the usurper is in office? still me and my silly "good conquers evil" notion....
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Warner...so do I...I mean
November 28, 2008 - 19:38 ET by bigtimerWarner...so do I...I mean that, this is exactly what the excuse will be all the while shoving the middle finger to the Constitution once again.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
same, bt!!
November 28, 2008 - 19:30 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionit's just immensely unsettling, because if the constitution is overlooked on (what is very possibly) the most important issue in our country's history, all is lost. how can this be happening???? how is it that we even have to have this "conversation"? i am inconsolable....
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Check out reply...
November 28, 2008 - 19:40 ET by Warner Todd HustonCheck out my reply at the end of the comments section. I'll reply in a fresh thread that way it won't get so thin...
The One
November 28, 2008 - 09:57 ET by Lee Boggs"One president at a time" means BHO wants to be The One president at this time.
or no precedent
November 28, 2008 - 13:20 ET by nathanbforrestmaybe it's a 'present' vote
never look a gift skunk in the tail
It's Too Complex
November 28, 2008 - 09:51 ET by Lee BoggsThat story is too complex for most of the ill-trained BHO reporters to understand, explain, analyze and report objectively.
Stories about Palin pardoning turkeys is easier.
CBS terror analyst...
November 28, 2008 - 11:40 ET by mizflame98agrees with Obama. That is the only reference that the MSM has made on the subject. Imagine that.
watch it here.
Perfect Demotivator for the Obama Administration
http://www.despair.com/government.html
Obama called Pakistan’s
November 28, 2008 - 13:39 ET by Jack Bauer"Indians" are wonderful people with an amazingly rich culture that goes back thousands of years-- and they are very proud of their new country.
They really don't like the thought they are being dissed -- but in comparison with Pakistan, multiply that by a thousand.
They have a schitzophrenic view of the US that mixes admiration with ignorance ... but the next President should get the message that India is IMPORTANT.
Barrack Hussein Obama is an incompetent boob...
November 28, 2008 - 14:20 ET by R D Helm...and his "presidency" is going to be an unmitigated disaster for this country.
This man is utterly clueless when it comes to international relations, as he appears to believe that if we are just nice to other countries somehow the world is going to love us. This line of thinking is extremely dangerous.
What is more, I believe the recession we are now entering into will last until at least 2014, and perhaps longer, if there is anything left of our economy by that point.
-Dave
When in doubt, always side with freedom, as it sure beats the hell out of the alternative.
Some foreign affairs questions
November 28, 2008 - 17:04 ET by needle"Then, Obama appointed to his transition team a woman named Sonal Shah whom the Pakistanis say has ties with a violent Hindu Nationalist Party in India that they claim is responsible for a rampage in Gujarat, India that killed many Muslims and Christians."
Considering Obama’s close ties with Odinga, the Scourge of Kenya, we should expect more of this kind of “Hope and Change.” In fact this may be among the reasons the hopeless media decided that this development was not newsworthy.
++++++
"Worse, during his outreach to Pakistan's Zardari, Obama promised that he'd help settle the trouble between India and Pakistan over Kashmir and he did this without asking India if his help was wanted by India. As a result, India got its nose out of joint and immediately said that Obama's "help" with Kashmir was not wanted.
"Well, more on Obama's unwanted offer with the Kashmir problem has been reported by various Indian and Pakistani news agencies. An Indian official has reiterated that Obama's help with Kashmir was neither asked for nor wanted. External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee refused Obama's offer again at a recent press conference held with Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi."
One thing is very newsworthy here, and that is: Just how much has super smart Obama’s brilliant foreign affairs expert Joe Biden been active in guiding Obama’s foreign overtures in this situation? Can someone please find out?!?
+++++++
"These are some embarrassing stumbles on India and Pakistan and shows that Obama won’t be able to flash his dazzling smile and have the world's leaders just fall at the feet of The One happy to follow his policy ideas."
I wonder if deficiencies in Obama admiration and worship will be instrumental in dissolving foreign relationships in the future administration, and also what role the media will play effecting such changes. This may not auger well for all those foreign affairs problems – all Bush’s fault, natch – that Obama is expecting to dispel with his supernatural diplomatic skills.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
Do you guys have that
November 28, 2008 - 17:15 ET by AizlynneDo you guys have that sinking feeling yet??
Yet?
November 28, 2008 - 18:13 ET by Warner Todd HustonI had that sinking feeling the second it became obvious that Obama had beaten Hillary for the Dem nomination. I knew he was going to be Prez from that moment.
we're on the titannic...
November 28, 2008 - 19:44 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionand he's the iceburg.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Contunied from above...
November 28, 2008 - 19:45 ET by Warner Todd Huston(to recap: this reply is to the question above where the thread was starting to get too thin to read)
I mentioned that I think the SCOTUS will not take the Obama birth certificate case...
I certainly do think we should uphold the Constitution no matter if there will be riots or not. But, I am not saying what I want done, I am saying what I think the SCOTUS will decide. Whatever the correct decision is or isn't I think they will not take the case for fear of massive unrest. I think they'll measure safety against the eligibility factor and come down on the side of safety.
Let's face it, the actual Constitution has not been a matter of supreme importance to the law, the government or the SCOTUS for decades (though Roberts, Alito and Thomas have been changing that at long last).
unfortunately, i have to agree with you, wth...
November 28, 2008 - 19:59 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionbut in my heart - my American heart - i know our forefathers wrote the "natural born citizen" item into the constitution to prevent someone with divided loyalties from usurping the presidency, and thereby stealing our country from within. i know they didn't have crystal balls, but they knew that might one day be a great threat. it's just really sad to think that the highest court in the land may overlook in the short run what will destroy us in the long run.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
...and to sum up what I
November 28, 2008 - 19:59 ET by bigtimer...and to sum up what I said above... I agree.
Middle finger is once again being shoved to the Constitution.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Warner,
November 28, 2008 - 20:03 ET by R D HelmWhatever the correct decision is or isn't I think they will not take the case for fear of massive unrest.
I agree. After all, it was the SCOTUS that "stole" the election for Bush in 2000.
Not only that, but 75+ years of ignoring the Constitution have finally come home to roost.
For the record, I do not believe that Obama is even eligible to be POTUS, as I firmly believe he was born outside of this country to a father who was not a US citizen.
If Obama's US citizenship was such a slam-dunk, why has he spent so much money thwarting all efforts at trying to establish his true status?
-Dave
When in doubt, always side with freedom, as it sure beats the hell out of the alternative.
Hey, howdy Dave... Did
November 28, 2008 - 20:12 ET by bigtimerHey, howdy Dave...
Did you read above, I have a link also you may have never seen and we were posting a lot about all of this earlier...I just wondered if you caught any of this.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Sorry, bt.
November 28, 2008 - 20:18 ET by R D HelmYou'll have to forgive me, as I have been a little distracted of late. Impending financial doom has a way of doing that to a person.
-Dave
When in doubt, always side with freedom, as it sure beats the hell out of the alternative.
Dave... Hey, I thought I
November 28, 2008 - 20:44 ET by bigtimerDave...
Hey, I thought I saw you post the other day you had a new job upcoming in about a week or so?
Good luck whatever you do...just do anything you have to for now to get by, until you can get where you want in the mean-time.
I've had to do that more than once or twice in my life.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
bt,
November 28, 2008 - 21:07 ET by R D HelmGod love ya, as do I, but if I were even to tell you 10% of what is about to befall me, you wouldn't believe it.
Hell, I still don't believe it either, but happen it will. :-O
-Dave
When in doubt, always side with freedom, as it sure beats the hell out of the alternative.
Hey Dave... Well talk to
November 28, 2008 - 21:19 ET by bigtimerHey Dave...
Well talk to me if you want to, you know where.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
That is part of why the
November 28, 2008 - 20:09 ET by sherylsimsThat is part of why the media won't cover the story. If the general public hasn't even HEARD of the situation then they won't riot, however if they were to decide Obama couldn't be president then EVERYONE would know and those who are prone to do so would riot. Everyone knows conservatives don't riot, especially if they don't even know there is something to riot about.
alas, where knowledge is folly....
November 28, 2008 - 20:14 ET by clinging to my guns and my religion...ignorance is bliss.
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
sheryl, You know what
November 28, 2008 - 20:18 ET by bigtimersheryl,
You know what bothers me with this riot problem, there were implications there would be riots if O didn't win the primary, then once again if he didn't win the election...I say so the hell what...we can handle that all if we WANT to.
This is America dammit...we are supposed to go by the rule of law... especially the CONSTITUTION.
Oh but hey, don't let little matters like that get in the way, the left want a LIVING Constitution...and we are seeing this happen now.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Well, the only reason I
November 28, 2008 - 20:24 ET by sherylsimsWell, the only reason I still hold out ANY hope over this issue is because of how things went for Bush when it went to the courts for him. They followed the law and BOY were the libs hopping mad. But maybe they will do the right thing again, who knows. Someone (I think it was here, and maybe it was Clingingtogunsand religion) said that the Supreme Court is very jealous of the constitution and would not be afraid to enforce the law even over the presidential situations. I mean, talk about POWER. They can't ignore the weight of the situation. They know half the country will know they didn't follow the law if they don't. (The other half may not be bright enough to know, or they will know but not care.)
sheryl... I would like to
November 28, 2008 - 20:38 ET by bigtimersheryl...
I would like to say hope springs eternal here... but I just realistically can't.
If memory serves me since Thomas has taken this up, I think he needs four to be with him for this to go to the whole court...(I think, I have a real bad cold/flu thing going so I am super lazy today, I should go back and reread one of my many links I have saved from others and my own that I have posted about this) I know possibly he would have four, but five...who left would do that?
Ideas anyone .... Kennedy or very iffy with Stevens IMHO.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
Yeah, well actually I had
November 28, 2008 - 20:48 ET by sherylsimsYeah, well actually I had already come to terms with Obama as the prez (as much as will ever be possible for me) so, of course, this is all fantasy and speculation on my part. I have a firm belief that everything that is happening now is part of a greater overall plan of which I am just an interested specatator. When I pray, I no longer ask God to do what I think should be done as much as I ask Him to make me ready for whatever it is He is doing. I do agree with you though. I don't really think anything will come of this either, but I am glad that at least someone is bothering to take it to court. It would be worse if it were ignored altogether.
i agree, bt!!
November 28, 2008 - 20:25 ET by clinging to my guns and my religionas i wrote above, it would be much better to have riots because a usurper was not allowed in office than to have riots to get a usurper out of office. beforehand, the military would still be on our side. afterward, can you imagine the poor soldiers having to decide? wow, what a horrible thought!!!
"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." Edmund Burke
Calling a spade a spade
November 28, 2008 - 20:47 ET by needleI agree with you, Warner.
I think that the same fine institution that decided that Dred Scot was slave, despite the just and obvious reasons for recognizing that he should not be a slave, will come through and display the same kind courage – er, I mean expediency -- as they did 150 years ago, and shirk their responsibility to sustain the meaning and purpose of The Constitution and call a spade a spade.
I wonder what Chief Justice Roberts will be thinking when he swears in the next President and asks him if he will uphold and defend The Constitution.
Oh, yeah. And about safety. Yeah, the Supreme Court has sure shown a lot of concern about the safety of 50 Million dead babies. Yeah, they are indeed safely dead.
Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.
Evening needle... I
November 28, 2008 - 20:55 ET by bigtimerEvening needle...
I posted your link you gave me above again...it is one of the best on this subject...also gave you the h/t you so richly deserve too...
Now on to Roberts swearing in O...I really do not know how any real conservative could do that, one who is suppose to uphold the Constitution, if I was him, I would call in sick, assign the job to the wonderful ACLU defense lawyer Ginsburg.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
It kills me that Obama's
November 28, 2008 - 20:53 ET by islero47It kills me that Obama's supposed to "restore" America's international standing. More like take it down several pegs. Maybe Europe will hate us less, but it looks like everywhere else will be looking at us like a punch line.
Looks like a brutha can win the White House, but can't diplomacize...
Sarah Palin/Jason Lewis 2012
Obama, pathological nacissist: http://www.faithfree...