Once again, we see the long knives sharpened against the right by employing innuendo and outright lies. This time it is against the movie "An American Carol." On Tuesday, I reported that there was some concern that ticket sales for the movie were being diverted to other movies at certain theaters across the country. But, I never said there was a "conspiracy" to do so.
The filmmakers also attempted to do some detective work to find out the veracity of the claims. But they didn't call it a conspiracy either. Apparently simply asking the question, though, is too much for Wonkette and Huffington Post to handle. They had to gin it up as some wild-eyed claim of a "conspiracy" on our part.
In the blog's typical unprofessional style, Wonkette claimed the filmmakers are saying some great, leftist conspiracy is destroying the movie. The next day, an entry at the Huffington Post asserted the same thing. From there the lefty blogs took over to add to the din. Unfortunately for their hyperbole, the movie folks never asserted any such thing (for that matter, neither did I).
In fact, the folks that produced "An American Carol" went so far as to take down their page offering movie goers a place to report the incorrect ticket sales. I have been told by a spokesman from Mpower pictures that they had no intention of claiming there was some nationwide conspiracy being mounted against their film and that they will not be making any further public comments for the time being. But, there have been reports from many theaters that, among other things, fans have been handed tickets stubs from other movies instead of from the movie they came to see. It was the responsible thing to do, in my opinion, to give fans a place to report the matter if they felt they had been one of those defrauded.
The concern here is if individual theaters or their employees were purposefully crediting ticket sales to films other than what should be credited. Concerns ranged from cineplexes showing the movie not placing the title on marquees, to ticket sales being credited to other films. Also, some theaters had the rating of the film incorrect -- showing an "R" rating instead of the proper "PG13" -- some theaters did not mention the film in recorded movie time phone messages even when the theater was showing the film, and tickets not being offered for sale on-line at individual theaters.
This isn't the first time, though, such a thing has happened to politically charged products. Spike Lee has for decades complained about these sort of things, yet no one is attacking him for saying the same thing. And, we all have heard time and again the reports that books published by conservative radio and TV personalities have been hidden in books stores so that sales are hindered. Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, they have all seen reports of this sort of thing.
Even so, no one is claiming that the booksellers are secretly conspiring to hinder book sales. What we are saying is that there are many millions of people out there that are not above taking it upon themselves to defraud or hinder the sales of politically charged products like books and movies. This is the case with "An American Carol." If lone employees or individual theater owners are pulling a fast one on the film, it should be exposed. But, no one is saying there is some vast left-wing conspiracy going on.
In any case, do go see "Carol." It's an enjoyable romp with the right message that deserves our support. And don't listen to these untruths emanating from people that hate the movie solely for its political motivations. Don't forget to buy it on DVD when it comes out, too!


















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It looks like there is a
October 10, 2008 - 05:06 ET by motherbeltIt looks like there is a conspiracy to claim claims of a conspiracy!
Yeah...
October 10, 2008 - 05:16 ET by Warner Todd HustonThat's just so!
Don't forget to buy it on
October 10, 2008 - 06:30 ET by The Peoples DJDon't forget to buy it on DVD when it comes out, too!
It better be on Blu-Ray. I didn't buy my PS3 just for games.
But, no one is saying there
October 10, 2008 - 06:38 ET by JasonCBut, no one is saying there is some vast left-wing conspiracy going on.
You did refer to the theaters that might be doing this as engaging in a "fascistic campaign." That does have a ring of conspiracy theory to it...
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
Inferred not implied.
October 10, 2008 - 06:41 ET by Warner Todd HustonInferred not implied.
WTH
October 10, 2008 - 11:19 ET by balboaAh, but evil liberals aren't satisfied to allow the market and reality
to come to their aid. As they are wont to do, fascistic campaigns must
be organized and undertaken. They cannot help themselves. It's in their
blood.
But no conspiracy, right?
Bal! Taking a person's
October 10, 2008 - 11:28 ET by JasonCBal! Taking a person's writing and making logical inferences concerning their meaning/subtext is both unpatriotic and a symptom of liberal bias. Just move to Iraqistan with your towelhead buddies already. Sheesh.
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A.
it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street
bankers in Gucci loafers?
WTH _should_ be talking
October 10, 2008 - 11:30 ET by balboaWTH _should_ be talking about that new Kirk Cameron movie, which is actually making money, as opposed to this turkey.
WTH above
October 10, 2008 - 12:22 ET by daberkmanIs claiming that he meant this comment as biting and witty sarcasm. He's funny enough to be a writer for the American Carol sequel! Which everyonewillclearlygoseebuttheliberalkidswhoworkforminimumwageastickettakerswillsubvert!
He's funny enough to be a
October 15, 2008 - 06:36 ET by JasonCHe's funny enough to be a writer for the American Carol sequel!
Ya got that right...
Who would have dreamed that when socialism came to the U.S.A. it would be brought not by Bolsheviks in blue jeans but Wall Street bankers in Gucci loafers?
In the comments section you wrote:
October 10, 2008 - 07:30 ET by daberkman"Ah, but evil liberals aren't satisfied to allow the market and reality
to come to their aid. As they are wont to do, fascistic campaigns must
be organized and undertaken. They cannot help themselves. It's in their
blood."
If they aren't satisfied with the market and reality and then choose to mend it, then they are committing a conspiracy. So, in fact, you ARE saying there's a conspiracy. Although you didn't use the word conspiracy. I can imply you're an idiot, but if I don't say it, are you still just as stupid?
You needed me to add I see.
October 10, 2008 - 07:43 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou needed me to add < /sarcasm > I see. I can imply you can't understand sarcasm, but then I'd just be stating the obvious.
partisan again
October 10, 2008 - 07:48 ET by abeautifulpersoni hate conservatives who behave in a partisan manner. BUT i HATE those on the left who do it, even more. these sound like the acts of robin hood-style left leaning movie theatre employees.
now, all that said, are you recommending people see this movie because it is conservative and it slams liberals, only? because if you are, you are no better than those who fiddle with its rating.
the consensus with critics is this movie is a DAWG. not because it is conservative. because it isn't funny.
or is there a conspiracy there, as well? believe it or not, liberals can laugh at themselves.
this is a challenge to all conservatives, please, lampoon us liberals. but you have to be more than just mean, you have to be funny.
although, you gave us sarah palin. so i'll give you that. ever since it became apparent she isn't going to get into office, her rants are much funnier.
Uh...
October 10, 2008 - 07:57 ET by Warner Todd HustonHey, wanna see a statement that makes no logical sense? Try this one
Thanks for giving me a non sequitur to laugh at this morning. By the way, could I recommend a concept called capitalizing? I'll wait while you go look up both non sequitur and capitalizing.
YOU'VE GOTTA SEE IT
October 10, 2008 - 08:15 ET by theduck6I laughed my keister off. If you are skeptical about Michael Moore, the ACLU, Academia and brain dead liberal professional protesters you will love this movie. It ain't "Airplane" but what is?
I checked out the movie
October 10, 2008 - 09:20 ET by BDI checked out the movie last night and while it had some sections that dragged (the portion with the terrorists at the beginning, and the physical comedy of continually pratfalling one of them, as well as the concert footage in particular) the part with the ACLU Zombies was FANTASTIC. I thought it was the stronger portion of the movie and deserved to have a larger role in the final movie.
Kelsey Grammer dressed as George S Patton hunting them with shotguns was priceless.
its my style
October 10, 2008 - 12:43 ET by abeautifulpersonglad you got a laugh out of it. my job is done and you didn't even have to pay for a movie ticket.
OH AND WHEN I USE CAPS, YOU'LL KNOW IT.
... and you just proved that
October 10, 2008 - 12:46 ET by Warner Todd Huston... and you just proved that you still don't know when or how to use them. Sad the poor state of education these days.
Sometimes a crappy movie...
October 10, 2008 - 08:11 ET by Smoking HotIs just a crappy movie.
http://www.rottentom...
This talk of conspiracy is embarassing.
not surprising some find it not funny
October 10, 2008 - 08:19 ET by theduck6When your oxen are being gored you rarely find it amusing. It was funny and I will see it again and I'll buy it on DVD.
Rotten Tomatoes
October 10, 2008 - 09:37 ET by TheCynicDon't think that Rotten Tomatoes is somehow immune to political bias. They have Religulous rated almost 5 times higher than An American Carol, and yet An American Carol is making slightly more money in the theaters.
Okay
October 10, 2008 - 12:14 ET by jquamBut AAC is also in more theatres. And second...money made certainly does not determine the quality of the product, while sometimes that theory can easily be supported (The Dark Knight) most often it is not (i.e. almost any spoof film ever made).
Think Well.
Bull
October 10, 2008 - 14:46 ET by stratmanIrrelevant.
Religulous is a boutique movie that will NOT sell well in much of the country (ie, anything not of the coasts, certain cities inbetween notwithstanding).
Also, the more theaters a movie plays dilutes the gross per theater.
Per theater gross is ONLY important to the individual theater owners. Everyone else connected to the movie is concerned about countrywide theater gross (and international markets and DVD sales and cable TV revenues).
I do agree with you about production cost vs. movie quality. Ishtar, Heaven's Gate, Waterworld, Battlefield Earth, and on and on.
Wow, a supposed bad movie
October 10, 2008 - 08:34 ET by general companyWow, a supposed bad movie sure has our resident lefties all in a tissy. I guess when the shoe is on the other foot, it dont feel to good. Although I never go to movies, I think I will go see this one tommorrow. I am sure all of those bad reviews were made honestly as well.
I heard BOR claim that his new book is out selling the #1 book by 30%, but the time will not put him at #1 because they dont want to drop their resident columnist to #2. Nice isnt it.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
And THEIR movie
October 10, 2008 - 08:53 ET by Warner Todd HustonAnd THEIR movie irreligiloose is making even LESS than An American Carol! They must be REALLY mad at that.
Mathematically speaking...correct.
October 10, 2008 - 12:33 ET by UberconWTH,
Lets look at the numbers just for fun...
Religulous $4,221,206, 568 theaters, 8 days...total $7431.70 per theater...$928.96 per day per theater.
An American Carol $4,354,000 (Estimate), 1,639 theaters, 6 days...total $2656.50 per theater...$442.75 per day per theater.
With a difference of only $132794.00 between the two...if the current trend continues, Reigulous should overtake An American Carol by this weekend...Most people will want to watch a "funny" movie over a "crappy" movie. Numbers matter, trends emerge, the truth is revealed...May we visit this topic at the end of both movies run in the theaters?
How about "W."...predictions?
Ubercon
A Movie Update...
October 14, 2008 - 12:25 ET by UberconWarner,
Looks like I was spot on with my prediction...
Religulous surpassed An American Carol this weekend. Total take, so far, is above $6,730,000 million for "Religulous" which had a budget of $2.5 million. "An American Carol", which had a budget near $20 million, has only brought in a total of less than $6 million. Gosh,"Religulous" looks to be a profitable movie.
It will be interesting to see how Oliver Stone's "W." will do this weekend...
Ubercon
sorry ubercon
October 14, 2008 - 12:33 ET by candanceFireproof has blown them both out of the water having earned 17 million in three weeks with far less advertising and negative reviews from the MSM.
American Carol didn't bomb because it was a conservie film - it bombed because it was a *stupid* conservie film. And Maher's success only proves that a lot of people get their jollies watching smart alec atheists poke fun at religion for two hours.
Okay...? How does this compare?
October 14, 2008 - 13:20 ET by Uberconcandance,
Hope all is well...
As for the movie, Fireproof, it seems to be a heartwarming tale of a firefighter, his wife and the mending of a marriage through the power of...love, communication, compassion for the wife through Christian values. Promise-keepers comes to mind and their recommendation of the movie.
By the way as a side note, how many Promise-keepers are on this site?
How does Fireproof compare to a politically motivated movie, An American Carol, losing money and vague references to Maher's movie not being as successful as An American Carol. I was pointing out the money being made by both films in the same time frame. I was showing the money trend and how it was a bold audacious claim to say An American Carol was a success.
Fireproof is a successful movie with a relatively small audience focus. It's being promoted and recommended by Christians everywhere. Okay, so?
Ubercon
Supposed
October 10, 2008 - 12:34 ET by jquamhttp://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/americancarol
I know many people think this film is getting bad reviews just because of its right-wing orientation...but take a look around...lefties hate their own movies as well...
Think Well.
Left wing conspiracy
October 10, 2008 - 09:09 ET by TheCynicThere IS a left wing conspiracy in the sense that everything has been done to create an atmosphere where individuals feel inspired, perhaps obligated, to engage in "mother knows best" style censorship of right wing publications. Isn't that the aim of MoveOn and Daily Kos? To create "artificial grass roots efforts" (astroturf) by funding a massive internet campaign with money and marketing at its core?
Well, it's working. If you need more evidence that it's widespread, go to YouTube or SlashDot and make a pro-Republican comment, then watch your comment get marked down to the point where nobody can read it.
I didn't have any problems
October 10, 2008 - 09:43 ET by GameGridI didn't have any problems at the theater I went to, although I'm in Utah ;) I even took my liberal friend to see it (who is a student filmmaker as well) and he enjoyed it more than I thought he would.
it's a dud
October 11, 2008 - 01:51 ET by AjtlawyerI went to "American Carol" hoping it would be a great satire about liberals. Some of it was funny, the opening bit about the inept terrorists, the zombies from the ACLU and the Christian terrorists. Jon Voight's turn as George Washington was pitch perfect. But the rest of the movie dragged and dragged and just wasn't funny. It's too bad because there is a real market out there that will support satirzing liberals but like anything, it has to be good if people are going to pay money for it.
you left the door open
October 11, 2008 - 08:14 ET by nicholas nicklebySorry Warner, you never said "conspiracy" but you did write in the main post:
"it wouldn't surprise
me if it turned out that certain people are trying to doom this film."
What did you mean by "certain people"? Did you mean individual workers at various theaters? Or did you mean the vast Hollywood machine? Or did you mean Obama and the DNC? Did you mean ACORN? The Illuminati? The Gnomes of Switzerland? The Group of Eight?
I don't know--you left the door open on that one by commenting that "certain people" are doing it--and I think you left it open intentionally.
Warner, be a man and own up to your own rhetoric.
"Own up" to what. I said
October 11, 2008 - 08:32 ET by Warner Todd Huston"Own up" to what? I said "certain people." You INFERRED what it meant. I did not elaborate. Why don't YOU "own up" to the fact that you read whatever you want to read into what you see?
Go on... "own up," man.
I inferred what you implied?
October 11, 2008 - 09:34 ET by nicholas nicklebyWarner, what did you mean when you said "certain people" were trying to doom this film? Did you mean that it was a bunch of teenage ticket takers? You devoted an entire post to what amounts to a prank?
I mean, if this wasn't a conspiracy of the left--and you never said it was!--then you just devoted an entire post to... well, to judge from the fact that the filmmakers took down their fraud-report web-page, you devoted an entire post to nothing.
So, those are your options: you're either someone who wants to make a whole lot of something about nothing; or you're someone who really thought there was something going on.
So, you're either distracting us or you're trying to make us see a conspiracy. Your choice. I don't want to put words in your mouth, so I'll leave it up to you.
"Certain people" simply
October 11, 2008 - 09:46 ET by cocodrie"Certain people" simply means the people involved. Is that too simple for you to understand?
Such a narrow mind!
October 11, 2008 - 10:50 ET by CobraMan"So, you're either distracting us or you're trying to make us see a conspiracy."
You have such a narrow mind. Do you always perceive malice in what is posted here at NB? Is enmity the ONLY possibility for posts such as Mr. Huston’s? Isn't there room for any other possibilities in your rather limited perceptions?
For example: Could it be that Mr. Houston is simply trying to DEFEND himself from the false accusations and innuendo that were brought up in left-wing blogs, and by people like YOU? No, that couldn't POSSIBLY be the reason for his post, could it?
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
bwah?
October 11, 2008 - 11:05 ET by nicholas nicklebyCobra,
I never charged Warner with enmity--gosh, now I'm taking a page from his playbook, clarifying what I said.
My point about distraction/conspiracy had to do with his first post. Not this post--I'm fine with people clarifying their statements, and I agree with you: he's writing here to defend himself against innuendo. So, Warner here says "I never said conspiracy!"
All I'm pointing out is that Warner didn't say much of anything--that he left himself open to innuendo, and I think, did so purposely. So, to make sure that I'm not unfairly pillorying him, I asked him to clarify what he meant by that first post--who those "certain people" might have been who might be trying to doom this movie.
I'm still waiting for an answer.
"own up"
October 11, 2008 - 09:36 ET by nicholas nicklebyOh, and by "own up" I meant to point out how your rhetoric left the barn-door open to a number of interpretations--probably because you wanted to imply that more was going than you could prove.
To prove me wrong, answer my question: what did you mean by "certain people"?
okay, one last comment
October 11, 2008 - 09:51 ET by nicholas nicklebyWhat's so striking about your post today, Warner, is how it seems to fit what we're seeing with McCain walking back the inflammatory rhetoric of his campaign.
That is, after Palin and Fox News/McCain campaign adds started hyping the notion that Obama pals around with terrorists, we started seeing a bunch of people yelling out things at their rallies--"terrorist," "treason," "kill him." So,yesterday, McCain addressed a crowd and told them that Obama was not Arab, that he was a decent, trustworthy man, and he got booed by his audience.
Now here you are saying "I never said conspiracy"--which is true, but you sure did imply there was something going on in that ticket fraud--otherwise, as I pointed out, you merely devoted a post to nothing. (Which would make you the Seinfeld of NB, I suppose.)
You're trying to walk back your own rhetoric--rather than to admit that you might have been wrong--rather than admit that you might have jumped the gun--rather than admit that you might have done better to wait until you had good, actionable intelligence, rather than hollow insinuations...
In other words, Warner, you could own up to your mistake, or you could try to walk it back. I can't say I'm surprised at your decision to avoid personal responsibility here.
You have a MAJOR
October 11, 2008 - 10:02 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou have a MAJOR problem with understanding English. I sure hope that your first language is Spanish or french or something because your English comprehension is el horriblo (that's a little Spanish lingo to make you feel at home).
You accuse me of walking back... here is the thing. To "walk back" one must reverse something said. I have not reversed something I wrote in any of my main posts.
And, just because I won't jump through YOUR hoops does not mean that I am "walking back" on anything.
In the long run, you'll have to suffice with my main posts. I said exactly what I wanted to say in them. If you infer things into them, I cannot help that.
actually, an English Major
October 11, 2008 - 10:13 ET by nicholas nicklebyokay, Warner, you have a point--you didn't walk back your comment, you clarified what you didn't say.
So what did you say?
Why can't you answer the question: who did you mean--or better yet, who could you have meant--by "certain people"?
I'm not saying you have to mean only one group or one person--it was a supposition, after all, not a statement of fact on your part. All I'm (still) saying is that you left the door open on this one with your supposition.
I would charge you with doing that deliberately, so that you could defend yourself from charges ("I never said conspiracy") and at the same time, leave those possibilities open ("dirty left conspiracy!").
Unfortunately, that safe, deniability-ensuring rhetoric you used makes you look like you posted about nothing. You waste time, Warner.
I mean, look at it--you posted frivolously then, and now you say I have to be satisfied with that post--why? I suppose because you're too busy coming up with more frivolous posts.
... sayeth the expert on
October 11, 2008 - 10:21 ET by Warner Todd Huston... sayeth the expert on frivolous!
Amen, brother.
difference
October 11, 2008 - 10:24 ET by nicholas nicklebyHey Warner,
Sure, we're both frivolous--why aren't we writing the great American novel we know we could!--but two differences spring to mind between you and me:
1) I admit when I'm wrong (as I did when you pointed out that you didn't really walk back any statement); and
2) I'm right. Oh, you still haven't answered my very open question on who you could have meant by "certain people."
why aren't we writing the
October 11, 2008 - 10:39 ET by Warner Todd HustonTell ya what... we'll write that novel together. You already HAVE that cool, literature-like name and all. It could be called "A Tale of Two Americas." The one I'm in where America is a great nation with a proud history, and the one your in where America is the scourge of the world and the worst blight on humanity ever!
We'll make millions and be remembered for generations to come.
Heck, maybe if you look hard enough in that other America you live in, ya might even run into "certain people"? Squeeze your eyes shut tight and repeat this phrase "There's no place like the people's home, there's no place like the people's home."
;)
it was the best of times, it was the bestest of times!
October 11, 2008 - 10:45 ET by nicholas nicklebyit's true, I do love science fiction.
but I hope you don't mind if I correct you on one issue--I never said anything about thinking America was a scourge. Some people on the left might, but I don't always agree with them. I reserve the right not to be reduced to a stereotype--even if I am not helping matters by commenting on the internet.
Sorry to interject, but . . .
October 11, 2008 - 10:47 ET by Free StinkerI reserve the right not to be reduced to a stereotype--even if I am not helping matters by commenting on the internet.
Or as "certain people" might call it - "Self inflicted harm" ??
Nay--
October 14, 2008 - 13:29 ET by misterbillI think you like science friction--you do rub folks the wrong way!!!
How about by certain
October 11, 2008 - 08:36 ET by BDHow about by certain people, the people that tend to steal college newspapers of the conservative variety and destroy them?
Could it be possible that that same TYPE of person might be selling tickets at theaters?
By the way, when was the last time a liberal newspaper complained about being stolen and destroyed? Hell, that would IMPROVE their circulation and they probably joyfully do it to themselves.