Talk about an idiotic assertion, but the Associated Press just claimed that Governor Sarah Palin is a racist for saying that Obama used to "pal around with terrorists." According to the AP's Douglass K. Daniel, Palin is a racist because the word "terrorist" is construed now-a-days to mean a "dark-skinned radical Muslim" so that makes her a "racist" in his blinkered view.
See, it isn't overt, according to Daniel, but there is a "subtext," don't you know? And, yes, he's serious with this absurd claim, sadly. This Olympics award winning back stretch has to be seen to be believed.
Palin's words avoid repulsing voters with overt racism. But is there another subtext for creating the false image of a black presidential nominee "palling around" with terrorists while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn't see their America?
In a post-Sept. 11 America, terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims, not the homegrown anarchists of Ayers' day 40 years ago. With Obama a relative unknown when he began his campaign, the Internet hummed with false e-mails about ties to radical Islam of a foreign-born candidate.
Whether intended or not by the McCain campaign, portraying Obama as "not like us" is another potential appeal to racism. It suggests that the Hawaiian-born Christian is, at heart, un-American.
The FACT that Obama has close ties to an AVOWED American domestic terrorist has absolutely nothing whatever to do with race. It has everything to do with Obama's terrible judgment. Obama isn't being at all attacked for being "black" with this exposure of his ties to Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers.
There is also nestled in this story another bit of spin that has become the media's excuse making for Obama's ties to Ayers. (My bold for emphasis)
Obama, who was a child when the Weathermen were planting bombs, has denounced Ayers' radical views and actions.
What does Obama's age during the 1960s have to do with anything at all? Is it impossible for a person to accept and adopt the views of anyone that perpetrated crimes when that person was a child? Can 30-somethings of today not like music of the 1960's because they were but children when that music was fresh, for instance? And what does that say about adopting the views of people from before one's birth? Does that mean that anyone that claims to be a Nazi can't be one because they weren't alive during Hitler's reign? For that matter, it might make being a follower of Jesus or Muhammad quite impossible. After all, who is still alive when those men were around?
Obama's age during the time that Ayers was trying to murder people is immaterial when discussing Obama's bad judgment in choosing that person, even though much more aged, as a close associate. Or are these Old Media types trying to say that Ayres' murderous intent is OK after all this time? Does time excuse murder?
No, this is but a bit of Obama spin that the media is regurgitating to give Obama cover for his terrorist ties and it is quite disgusting.
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Can You Say Bradley Affect?
October 5, 2008 - 11:32 ET by flyingmonkeyThese accusations made by the MSM will only serve to help the McCain/Palin ticket. White people are getting sick of being accused of racism at every turn and I believe they will vote against Obama in protest. I see the Bradley affect becoming a bigger obstacle for Obama every time this happens.
Stolen Thunder
October 5, 2008 - 11:55 ET by Copperhead RidgeI was going to post something very close to what you just did.
I'm not a big believer in the Bradley Effect, especially in how playing the race card repulses a lot of voters. Liberals want there to be such an effect, so they can say that Americans rejected their candidate bacause of race and not because his ideas are wrongheaded or because they can't stand the taste of creeping socialism.
I do wih the McCain campaign would prompt the Obama camp and the rest of his liberal followers to stretch and play the race card on the most piddling statements. If I were in that campaign I'd find how to do it, and do it every stinking day for the rest of the run-up to the election.
White people have grown weary of this false label, and the left is on the verge of overusing it. They have made the word "racist" meaningless, and the danger is that they have cheapened it by using it on good people. The danger is that when someone who truly is racist is labeled with the term, no one listens.
Right now, if you said, "Barack Obama speaks beneath a blue sky," they would claim that it's a racist statement.
The left needs to go practice self intercourse.
I'll take the Bradley effect...
October 5, 2008 - 22:36 ET by killbill2if that's what it takes to defeat 99% MSM bias and voter fraud... you betcha!
This is no surprise...
October 5, 2008 - 11:36 ET by AgentAmericanDaniel knows Obama's connections with Ayers are absolutely true, and the media spin machine is already at full steam.
Also, the disgusting race card is in play. The McCain/Palin ticket is running against the press, not Obama.
Also, there's an analysis out there saying that the race could end in a tie...is that telling or what?
http://www.reuters.c...
Drill ANWAR
and the press is a threat to democracy
October 5, 2008 - 21:38 ET by wdhorningAny news organization with any reasonable budget that fails to report on Obama's "terrorist" related background is a threat to democracy, because in a democracy, the news must be fair and balanced, or it proves that news org to a threat to democracy. This is because an election is no longer a fair election, where the voters are unfairly informed of the backgrounds of all presidential candidates.
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October 5, 2008 - 23:27 ET by Indiana JoeShameless plug warning.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
X
October 5, 2008 - 11:36 ET by serfer62She's white, therefore she's racist. With that criteria, who is the racist?
If palin is a Racist, count Me In!
October 5, 2008 - 11:39 ET by ChasvsI feel the same way about the Marxist SOB Barack Obama!
If Sarah Palin is a Racist, I'm one too so let's bring it on!
AP, which country will you destroy next?
Goes right along with New
October 5, 2008 - 11:41 ET by GregEGoes right along with New York Governor David Paterson a few weeks ago making the claim that somehow "community organizer," when used by Republicans, is codeword for "black". Obama said months ago the Republicans would go after his race, (his infamous "Did I mention he's black" nonsense), but since that hasn't happened, they have to make it up as if it is happening. What freakin idiots these people are....
Paterson: "I think the Republican Party is too smart to call Barack Obama 'black'
in a sense that it would be a negative. But you can take something
about his life, which I noticed they did at the Republican Convention –
a 'community organizer.' They kept saying it, they kept laughing. I
think where there are overtones is when there are uses of language that
are designed to inhibit other people's progress with a subtle reference
to their race… At this point, Americans wouldn't tolerate a racial
appeal. What I'm saying is that there are sneaky ways to try to hurt
someone."
Did I mention he's stupid? Oh, wait can I say that or will they say that's a codeword? Idiots.
Obama has established his
October 5, 2008 - 13:19 ET by celatorObama has established his default response whenever someone is critical of his backroom tactics: racism. Never mind defending or explaining his position or clarifying some of the extremely strange chapters in his life. Nope. It's all racism for those who raise questions about Obama. What is this guy, 12 years old? Pathetic.
So if he were to become President and had a veto override from Congress, the Congress would be racist, of course. If a Republican should question a decision he made if Obama were president, that Republican would be racist.
Now we see Obama's own racism in full bloom. 20 years ago some people might have bought the racism charge. But no more. Obama is a radical Marxist, and will populate the White House and federal agencies with the worse of America's enemies.
And that ain't a racist charge. Them's the facts.
The major media report only half the news. Why are they surprised they have only half the potential audience?
To Governor Patterson (sp.?);
October 5, 2008 - 13:32 ET by on-the-rocksThe last time I checked, Barack Obama's "community organizer" mentors were white, Bill Ayers and Saul Alinsky.
Just because Bill Ayers and his wife were never prosecuted does not make it OK.
It isn't so much the "actions while Obama was a child", but the fact that Ayers shows no remorse and stated that he wished they had done more bombings and the fact that Ayers worked with him for several years. We know where Ayers' heart is. And we know where Saul Alinsky's heart was. Maybe he didn't set any bombs, but he probably tutored and inspired those that did.
If Sarah Palin or John McCain had worked with an unrepentant Klansman (or former Klansman) in a similar situation - what would the media reaction be?
Well, as for McCain he did work with a former Klansman. Did Robert Byrd ever renounce what he did? At least there is no direct accusation against Byrd for any violence. I don't think Robert Byrd was any sort of mentor of John McCain.
I just call it part of Obama's "AA problem" - Ayers-Alinsky, that is.
GregE
October 5, 2008 - 23:57 ET by Indiana Joe"Obama said months ago the Republicans would go after his race,... but since that hasn't happened, they have to make it up as if it is happening."
Yeah, I've tossed that in the face of a few people who try to play the "race card." They count on it, but no one has mentioned it but them. Now, they're desperate to put it in play. Now they're reduced to "reading meanings," talking about "code words," and all this other BS.
All it really does is point out their bias: They think all white people are secretly bigots. How do you prove there isn't some big "secret" out there? That's the kind of thinking that keeps the "troofer" movement alive. And every other whacko conspiracy theory going, too.
Except the fake moon-landing. I mean, c'mon, we know that was a con job. ;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
not the homegrown
October 5, 2008 - 11:45 ET by Jack Bauer#1. Ayers is not, and was not an "anarchist." He's a communist/Marxist. Big difference dumbkopf. Though their terrorist antecedents and use of violence are very similar.
#2. Obama was a "child" when Dr King was making HIS mark on history.
#3. Grow a brain, dimwit "Douglass" (sic) KKK Daniel. what's the "lass" in Douglas mean. You're a girl?
I won't Vote for A Racist - - and BHO Qualifies
October 5, 2008 - 11:44 ET by JayTeeIf Your Friends are former Terrorists, What does that say about your Possible Presidential Cabinet appointments ?
And if Your Presidential Appointments are similar to your FIRST Choice, Joe Biden for VP . . . Then BHO isn't Qualifed as a POTUS in my opinion.
Jane Fonda Secretary of State ?
Code Pink as Secrtary of Defense ?
Jerimiah Wright as White House Counsel ?
Ayers as HUD appointee.
The Republican Revolution will not be Televised
JayTee,
October 6, 2008 - 00:03 ET by Indiana JoeCan anyone play? Looks like fun:
I think Ayers would belong in Homeland Security.
Jane Fonda would be SecDef.
Alec Baldwin as SecState. Or Sarandon/Robbins... tough choice.
HUD would probably be a good fit for Rev. Wright, that's Interior, right?
And Tony Rezko as Secretary of the Treasury.
Oh, almost forgot. Al Gore as "Energy Czar," whatever that means. On second thought, I don't even want to think about what that means!
;^)
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Any criticism of the "new messiah" is racist
October 5, 2008 - 11:46 ET by AFCloneDoesn't matter if it's true or not. It's racists. Or sacrilegious, in their minds.
True, AF. Any criticism
October 5, 2008 - 19:03 ET by motherbeltTrue, AF. Any criticism amounts to Six Degrees of Racism.
Not only that, thy hypocrisy is jaw-dropping. Here's the hitback at Palin:
The problem is the messenger. If you want to start
throwing fire bombs, you don't send out the fluffy bunny to do it.
(emphasis added)
Is that a sexist remark or what? Palin is weak because she's a woman?
But LittleGreenFootballs shows them that they'd better be careful...
Fluffy Bunny may be a bigger threat than they thought.
Scroll down to the video.
....while assuring a
October 5, 2008 - 11:51 ET by MidAmerica....while assuring a predominantly white audience that he doesn't see their America?
Well duh!! Since the 'non-racist' blacks are voting almost 100% for the 'black' guy I suppose the Republican audiences will be fairly 'white'.
We ask that you please
October 5, 2008 - 11:58 ET by GregEWe ask that you please refrain from infusing your absolute spot-on logic against our propagandistic liberal agenda and related support of the Democrat Party. This will not be tolerated.
Sincerely,
All of us in the MSM
Still playing that race card.
October 5, 2008 - 11:55 ET by CobraManOnce again, Obama supporters default to the race card in order to deflect criticism of their "chosen one."
AP, you can keep playing that race card as much as you want. Americans are already tired of it and it won't help Obama at all. As a matter of fact, the more you play that card, the more people will regard Obama as just another race baiter who's using the color of his skin to garner votes, and not as a man of integrity who believes people should be judge on their actions and no on their race.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Can 30-somethings of today
October 5, 2008 - 11:57 ET by NewsbusterbrownCan 30-somethings of today not like music of the 1960's because they were but children when that music was fresh, for instance?
As a 40-something, besides many CDs from '50s and '60s stars, I have music in my collection all the way back into the '20s. IOW, you're 100% correct that it's a stupid statement.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Yes, there is that word again. subtext.
October 5, 2008 - 11:58 ET by JWFWe racists are just too stupid to listen to very real arguments that Obama has many many marxists friends.
We can't understand those arguments that are out there in the open flopping around like a fish out of water.
No, we can only get the arguments that slyly tucked in under some other straw man argument. You know, like the email that claims he is a muslim, the one the Obama team likes to knock down over and over so they can ignore the real arguments about him and his marxist buddies, one of which is a very real home grow American terrorist.
Oh, and he was born in Kenya, and his birth was registered in Hawaii. He was born to a Kenyan muslim. That makes him a muslim by birth and an apostate by leaving the Ismamic religion, at least he would be if you ask the islmafascists outside the country terrorists.
I was born 2 years after Obama, and I missed the whole Beatles mania movement. I have heard their music and no I do not like it. They were the original boy band in my opinion. If only the Rolling Stones were around then, man that would be really cool. Those guys I could have gotten into. *
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
* I hope WTH likes the Stones, cuz that was a buttload of sarcasm there. If he likes the beatles, I think I just walked into a whole tornado of Doom.
Ha, ha. To be honest,
October 5, 2008 - 12:02 ET by Warner Todd HustonHa, ha. To be honest, besides Bruce Springsteen, I think the Stones are the most over rated band in rock history. And, yes, I am a Beatles fan.
LOL
Wow
October 5, 2008 - 12:39 ET by well99Beatles?J/K I prefered Steppenwolf or The Animals.
»→ Ayers' Snowblind Friend
October 5, 2008 - 13:49 ET by Cool ArrowHe said he wanted Heaven but praying was too slow.
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
Stupidest thing ever writen by WTH
October 5, 2008 - 21:24 ET by general companyI think the Stones are the most over rated band in rock history.
Yea right, Good greif, Stickey Fingers, or Let it Bleed, or Some Girls or, Tatto You or, Emotional Rescue or, Undercover. What is the standard? The only ones close are The Who, and Arosmith, and the Dead.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Smartest thing ever written by WTH
October 5, 2008 - 21:26 ET by MrShyI am a Beatles fan.
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Shy... I found Obama's
October 5, 2008 - 21:32 ET by Clear thinkerShy...
I found Obama's fav...Fuhrer Obama Hitler Youth - Sing for Change
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CT
October 5, 2008 - 22:06 ET by MrShyYes, I saw that !! Frightening !!!!!
(funny, too, but well.... scary as all heck :p)
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Easy pick
October 5, 2008 - 21:40 ET by general companyThe Stone kept it together longer and have sounded great much longer, 35yrs my count.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Say it aint so Joe
October 5, 2008 - 21:41 ET by well99The Beatles had some good music but Steppenwolf rocked!So did The Animals.Those were the hot groups IMABHO.
How about Rare Earth with
October 5, 2008 - 21:44 ET by Clear thinkerHow about Rare Earth with Ina-gada-davida (sp?).
Fuhrer Obama Hitler Youth
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CT
October 5, 2008 - 21:50 ET by well99I thought Iron Butterfly did that?
I love them all, and much more.
October 5, 2008 - 21:57 ET by general companyBut the Stone are still not overated like WTH sain
They did Well, {In the Garden of Eden}
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC here you go
October 5, 2008 - 22:19 ET by well99http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rucCH1b12vw
Rolling Stones were good band and they are still going.Amazing.Shoot I take all the music back then to todays.
Well & Gen
October 5, 2008 - 21:59 ET by MrShyThere is only one truly great band, The Beatles.
They alone cranked out, at an alarming rate, the greatest music in just a 6 year period. Period. It's astounding.
With all due respect to the Stones, and I love'em to death like a brother, still The Beatles catalogue in 6 years hands-down beats out The Stones in 35 years.
Off the top of my head, I think there are three or four songs of The Beatles I don't really have to listen to. THREE or FOUR... that's it! The rest range from really, really good (the minority) to simply brilliant (the majority).
Another never-before, never-again to be seen/heard from a band is how there were three great songwriters, each bringing a different style and sentiment to the table, and yet perfectly blended together under an amazing producer.
All the music and bands from the '60's were amazing, yes. It was a truly sublime era.
But The Beatles, they are "it".
And I won't even go into more intangibles, of how they pioneered so much of what became pop music during and after them, the influence of the great fifth Beatle, George Martin, and the whole orchestral elements, the creative, visual and political culture of the '60's in general, and so on...
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Wow, know way I could suggest such a thing
October 5, 2008 - 22:15 ET by general companyLook I can listen to every song on every album of the Stones or Beatles, but with the Stone I will be listening MUCH longer. To compair music is impossable for me. I am a music lover!!!!
Vodoo Fest in 2 weeks,,,yea
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"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I love music, too
October 5, 2008 - 22:37 ET by MrShyAnd yeah, the Stones have been around so much longer, obviously, and have indeed assembled quite a fine anthology of great music.
Just gotta stand up for my Beatles... or, to say it correctly, my The Beatles. :p
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Mr Shy
October 5, 2008 - 22:22 ET by well99I know you never had much music expierence so let me suggest you check this out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6tqgYyYNFc
Well
October 5, 2008 - 22:38 ET by MrShyYeah, that is one amazing piece of music right there. And an ingenious video, too boot.
:)
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Mr Shy
October 5, 2008 - 22:58 ET by well99Excellant job by you and VR.
Thanks w99 !!
October 5, 2008 - 23:02 ET by MrShyThanks a lot! :)
* oh, and "to boot" (above... not "too boot" :))
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I'm with you General - Beatles were a pop band
October 5, 2008 - 21:53 ET by Dee BunkStones were very unique. I like the Beatles, but the Stones had much more range and successfully mixed many different genres. Their albums are all sooooo different. From the disco influenced Some Girls to the scrappy street music of Exile on Main street to the rivetingly dark Black and Blue - they were unique and talented.
Admittedly the Beatles will always appeal to more people because their music was sappy happy stuff. I like that stuff also, but for those of us who had a complicated life and went through some hard times in our youth, the Stones were amazing.
Dee
October 5, 2008 - 22:03 ET by MrShyTo me, The Beatles were everything. They were a lot more than a pop band.
Maybe it's unfortunate that they stopped touring in 1966 (the tail end of their shaggy-haired pop/rock period) but those last albums have many, many of the great *rock* songs of all time.
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I agree that they were very good Shy
October 5, 2008 - 22:07 ET by Dee Bunkand I love many of their songs. It's just that the Stones had much more range. They were much more scrappy and wouldn't appeal to as many people but they got me through some very difficult times that the Beatles never could have. I like them a lot now that I'm older but the Stones have been with me since I was in Jr High and I still love them.
Very good examples Dee, but
October 5, 2008 - 22:19 ET by general companyVery good examples Dee, but I was always a Who fan to be honest
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
I loved the Who too
October 5, 2008 - 22:25 ET by Dee Bunkand many others.
The best Album ever was
October 5, 2008 - 22:37 ET by general companyQuadrophinia, start to end. After almost 30yrs I am still in awe. When it comes to Drums, Bass, Guitar, Vocals, and Harmony it is The Who for me.
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
greatest song ever
October 5, 2008 - 22:52 ET by MrShyDon't know about albums, as there are so many great ones. But as far as greatest songs ever, it's really no contest:
http://www.youtube.c...
:)
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Hhmm pretty bad
October 5, 2008 - 22:57 ET by general companyI am here
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Tha'
October 5, 2008 - 23:01 ET by MrShyTha' bluuuuuuuueeesss.......
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GC
October 5, 2008 - 23:03 ET by Noel SheppardGC,
I love Quadrophenia. But best ever? I'm not sure it's even the Who's best album, as I might rate Tommy and Who's Next ahead of it. Maybe.
That said, I must say that one of the best concerts I've ever seen was the Who doing Quadrophenia in a reunion tour back in '95. Absolutely astounding.
However, I think Led Zeppelin One is better than Quadrophenia. I'd put Gentle Giant's Power and the Glory ahead as well. I'd probably put Tull's Stand Up and Benefit ahead, too.
Hendrix's Are You Experienced is up there, too. Nirvana's Nevermind. Allman Brothers at Fillmore East.
Yet, we're completely ignoring Jazz in this mix. I'd put Weather Report's Black Market, Tail Spinning, and Heavy Weather ahead of Q. Ditto Return to Forever's Romantic Warrior. And there are any number of Zappa albums that I'd rank higher, as well. ns
Great Albums in deed Neol
October 5, 2008 - 23:46 ET by general companyGreat Albums indeed Neol. Zep one, very good, but I thought Pysical Graffiti was their best. And all of the others, and I am a huge WR fan and Zappa, Jethro's Bursting out, Filmore, sure I could add a bunch. Seriously, just listen to Quad (i-pod straight through), it is 2 whole lp's of very inteanse music. I have seen all of these folks, many more, I really dont like choosing.
Voodoo fest 2 weeks away
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
GC
October 5, 2008 - 23:46 ET by Noel SheppardGC,
You thought Graffiti was Zep's best? Ah, I much prefer the early stuff. They began losing me after Houses.
Don't get me wrong, I love Quad. On my iPod. Really amazing album from opening to close. Definitely one of my favorites -- especially when my family isn't home, and I get to turn the amp to 11...if you know the reference. :-) ns
... but why not just make 10
October 6, 2008 - 00:15 ET by Warner Todd Huston... but why not just make 10 the highest?
I had a sneaking suspicion if I answered to the Stones vs. Beatles question this thread would suddenly turn into a bad episode of VH1. I go to bed (I work overnights so I sleep in the day) and I see over 200 replies on this thread so many I can't read 'em all!
But here are some of the bands I like (in no order)
Beatles
Pink Floyd
Planet P Project
Eurythmics
Who
Eagles
James Gang
Talking Heads
Tom Petty (his new Mudcrutch album is great)
Metallica
Stevie Ray Vaughn
George Harrison
Wings
Steely Dan (LOVE 'EM)
Peter Gabriel (So is great)
Santana (never did better than Abraxas)
Hendrix
Cheap Trick
Smash Mouth
Static X
Annie Lennox (Whatta voice)
Queen (Whatta voice)
Various Movie Soundtracks
Hearts of Space new age stuff
Blue Grass (Bill Monrore rules)
Some classical
NO (c)RAP EVER
NO OPERA EVER
Well, there are many more but these were off the top of my head.
Just got to thinking about Live shows,
October 5, 2008 - 23:58 ET by general companyJust got to thinking about Live shows, The Who, Zep, the Stones, Tull were all so good. Arosmith even just a few yrs ago, Yes, Floyd, Seager, ELP, GD, Allman Bros/without, Little Feat /wLowel, so many others, all these guy were great, but the most suprising to me were ZZ-Top, Asia (2 lp's), and the Firm (1lp).
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Also Robert Crey soon
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
Late to the party,
October 6, 2008 - 00:05 ET by Indiana JoeBut this would have ruffled some feathers:
I like 'em both, Stones and Beatles!
There I said it.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
AP is short for APE!
October 5, 2008 - 12:06 ET by CrashI suppose that any of us who use the word "terrorist" to identify monsters who commit TERRORISM are just ... how did Obama put it, "Typical white people." If we didn't like Obama because he happens to be brown with an African father, and a white bred American mother ... we'd say so. Sorry you bunch of dunces over at the AP, but, we are conservatives and we believe in using nouns that define people in place of innuendo.
This won't be the first
October 5, 2008 - 12:03 ET by billbThis won't be the first time that politics has degenerated to such a degree it makes the USA vulnerable to outside forces.
"Obama... has denounced Ayers' radical views and actions."
October 5, 2008 - 12:07 ET by nicholas nicklebyYou're right, Warner, that being a child doesn't excuse Obama on the charge of supporting Ayers' terrorist actions. But one would think that denouncing/repudiating those actions would excuse him from the charge of supporting Ayers' terrorist actions--which is the part of the sentence that you quoted but didn't bold. Don't worry, I'll help you out here:
"Obama, who was a child when the Weathermen were planting bombs, has denounced Ayers' radical views and actions."
nicky, let me help U OUT
October 5, 2008 - 12:18 ET by upcountrywaterYou're right, Warner, that being a child doesn't excuse Obama on the charge of supporting Ayers' terrorist actions.
No, this is but a bit of Obama spin that the media is regurgitating to
give Obama cover for his terrorist ties and it is quite disgusting.
CLIMATE CRISIS
IranianUranium
MRC's spin
October 5, 2008 - 12:49 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi UCW,
I agree with Warner on that--the aside "who was a child when the Weathermen were planting bombs" isn't really an adequate answer, and the fact that it happens in an aside (technical term: parenthetical phrase) makes it seem--well, sneaky and subtextual.
But, in attempting to root out the subtextual spin here, Warner has ignored the main clause of the sentence: "Obama ... has denounced Ayers' radical views and actions."
(So, Warner ignores text and focuses on subtext, which should sound familiar, since this is part of Warner's complaint about the article's author; I'll admit, Warner does it a little less torturously than the article's author did, but he is doing the same thing in that part of the article.)
Santa is a main clause as well
October 5, 2008 - 14:59 ET by acumenBut, in attempting to root out the subtextual spin here, Warner has ignored the main clause of the sentence: "Obama ... has denounced Ayers' radical views and actions."
It should be obvious to anyone cognizant of the establishment media's long-term, well documented infatuation with BO, refusal to fully investigate BO's past, coupled with their consequent covering for all things BO that Warner gave Obama's denunciation of Ayers the amount of attention such a meaningless, insincere bit of tripe (or as you prefer - the main clause of the sentence) deserved. Unless of course you believe Obama's repudiation of his terrorist acquaintance to be sincere. Do you? If so then the motive for your attack on Warner becomes all the more understandable while your argument becomes less convincing.
Previously on Sit On It & Spin:
October 5, 2008 - 12:22 ET by Crash''I don't regret setting bombs,'' Bill Ayers said. ''I feel we didn't do enough.''
enough is enough indeed
October 5, 2008 - 12:52 ET by nicholas nicklebyTry again, Crash--we're talking about Obama's repudiation of Ayers' terrorist methods. We're not talking about whether or not Ayers has repudiated those methods.
(Also, I think you might want to look into the context of that quote--he goes on to explain that "do enough" doesn't mean that he wished they had thrown more bombs. But, even if he did, that wouldn't matter for this argument, since what we're talking about is the fact that Obama has repudiated Ayers' terrorist methods.)
Tomato, you say?
October 5, 2008 - 14:29 ET by Crash"I don't regret setting bombs," Ayers wrote in 2001. Yet, Obama did not denounce Ayers' actions until the press put a spotlight on their association. Obama has since referred to Ayers as "mainstream" and "respectable."
I think I'll ask OJ to be my new BFF. What's a beheading between pals, why let a spotty past cloud my better judgement?
»→ Crash
October 5, 2008 - 14:35 ET by Cool ArrowI can't find a quote from Obama denouncing the actions of Ayers much less denouncing the man himself.
Nickleby needs to pony up with a direct quote from Obama instead of his Huffpo talking points.
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
cut and pasted from another comment of mine
October 5, 2008 - 15:43 ET by nicholas nicklebyA) Obama referred to Ayers' actions as "detestable" in a debate with HRC.
B) Obama spokeman Bill Burton stated that "Senator Obama strongly
condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all
acts of violence." (Russell Berman, "Obama's
Ties To Left Come Under Scrutiny," The New York Sun, 2/19/08)
»→ nickleby
October 5, 2008 - 15:49 ET by Cool ArrowDo you have more than a one word quote?
Hate to have you googling all day, but you do realize if you do find a full quote of Obama denouncing Ayers' actions, you've also stated Obama has denounced Ayers, himself.
Happy hunting.
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
whoa now.
October 5, 2008 - 17:06 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi Cool,
a) in my post directly above this one, I gave a full quote from an Obama campaign spokesman. (You can argue that a spokesman quote isn't the same thing, but I think surrogates are fair mouth-pieces unless repudiated or corrected. For instance, didn't McCain repudiate Phil Gramm's "mental recession" statement? Therefore it would be incorrect to say that Gramm spoke for McCain in that instance. In this instance, however, Burton speaks for Obama.)
b) Sorry, I've got a cold and am a little slow today, so I don't get your second paragraph (the one that starts "Hate to have you googling all day"). Are you claiming that I said that Obama denounced Ayers? I don't think I said that--I tried to make clear that Obama repudiated Ayers' terrorism, not that he repudiated Ayers himself. I don't think I slipped up anywhere, but if I did, that's what I meant. (Did I slip up anywhere?)
(Or did you mean something else?)
»→ OK
October 5, 2008 - 19:32 ET by Cool ArrowSo the words of a spokesperson are the same as though spoken by Obama himself. That's a great way to say something without really saying it. Brilliant!
And I did a search, and you're right. You did not go so far as to say Obama renounced Ayers.
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
that's how it's done in our age of 24-hr news
October 5, 2008 - 19:57 ET by nicholas nicklebyNow, I might think the 24-hour news cycle is ridiculous in some ways, making big stories out of nothing, but one thing that makes sense to me is that the candidate has to run his campaign like he would the White House--that is, you have to pick the right people for the right job.
So you have to have your advisors who stay in the background mostly, and yes, you have to have your spokespeople (just as the White House has its spokesperson). And anything that comes out of the spokesperson is the candidate's voice unless we hear otherwise. So, when Holtz-Eakins said McCain helped create the Blackberry, that was quickly retracted by the McCain campaign. (You could say this is the flipside to gotcha journalism--the ability to take a mulligan.)
now that's a point
October 5, 2008 - 15:42 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi Crash,
That's a much better (or much better explained) point--that Ayers said something about not regretting bombs in 2001 whereas Obama said he does not condone those "detestable acts" only in 2008. (At least, the quote that I gave below from the Democratic debates was from then).
What about those 7 years in between? That's a better argument to make, and I don't think I have an answer that will satisfy you; I could point out that Ayers was a well-respected professor in 2001, who had done some work for Chicago (all of which might be red-flags to some posters here--"a professor! a Chicagoan! hang him!"), so it doesn't entirely make sense to make a statement out of left-field to condemn the bombings.
I mean, can you imagine that--maybe there's a memo going around from when Obama was working for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, written by Obama, that says, "Mr. Ayers has presented a good proposal, and--even though I repudiate the bombings that he carried out 40 years ago--I'd endorse this proposal for a new math curriculum."
I mean, I know people on the left who are unhappy that Obama supports the death penalty and is against gay marriage--they feel like he's changed his position to become more centrist. In fact, he's always held those positions (pro death penalty, anti gay marriage), but they didn't come up until someone asked his position on those topic.
Similarly, he may always have felt that Ayers' terrorist methods were detestable, but Ayers was mainstream and respectable by the time Obama knew him, and so Obama never felt the need to vocally repudiate Ayers' past, which was simply not an issue when they were working together on schools.
(The OJ joke is not going to work either, because it doesn't fit: the undisputably guilty Ayers turned himself in in 1980 and has since worked to become a respectable member of society--he owns a house, he raises his kids, he teaches. OJ, on the other hand, was just convicted for another crime. That's the main difference I would point to: Ayers cleaned up, OJ didn't.)
Why talk at all.
October 5, 2008 - 18:40 ET by JWFwhen talking just gets the foot in further.
but Ayers was mainstream and respectable by the time Obama knew him
A terrorist is never mainstream or respectable. Only in hippie lovey land and corrupt Chicago politics does the man ever ever ever ever approach respect.
Your logic and the logic of loonytunes lefty America haters hurts my brain.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
What a pile of vomit. Ayers
October 5, 2008 - 18:43 ET by Clear thinkerWhat a pile of vomit. Ayers should NEVER be considered mainstream, unless of course you support terrorism.
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Hmm.
October 6, 2008 - 00:19 ET by Indiana JoeWell, I would say that you should be against the fact that the man seems to be an unapologetic terrorist. Seems like the right call. It wasn't called that when he did it, and Obama was a kid. But it is what we now call terrorism. Better it comes from the candidate's mouth, clearly and with no "filter," but I guess it meets the minimum criteria for a candidate's "stance." I'd want to put it a lot more directly and bluntly, but that's just me, maybe. Nick's examples address the campaign correcting something someone else said, but maybe that's splitting hairs. Is it?
I guess it's possible to repudiate someone's actions, without repudiating the man. But this is politics, remember, not a court of law. Appearances mean a lot. To promote certain appearances and downplay others is standard advertising tactics, whether one is selling a candidate or laundry detergent.
And "I disagree with his actions, but he's not a bad guy," or words to that effect will, rightfully, be weighed and judged by people in making their decisions. Maybe to come right out and say, "Look, circumstances forced me into a situation that I would have preferred not to be in, but the man did his job, and I did mine, and that's really all there is to it," would be better. Prettied up, of course, but along those lines. Now, if they were bowling buddies or something, it gets a little stickier.
Off the top of my head, given a choice, I must say I'd rather have someone who isn't ambivalent about terrorists in the WH.
But maybe that's just me again.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
Okay, so if Palin
October 5, 2008 - 12:26 ET by JerryOkay, so if Palin associated with a KKK grand poobah who STILL holds firm to those KKK beliefs, and announced her candidacy in this grand poobah's home, it would be ok if she later claimed to denounce this grand poobah's activities? Uhh, don't think so Nikita.
When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).
Jerry, the only differences
October 5, 2008 - 12:42 ET by CrashJerry, the only differences between Ayers and the Oklahoma City terrorists was that their bomb was bigger, they only bombed once, the media coverage was live, and the press didn't apologize for them. By all accounts Nichols & McVeigh should be on a book tour (sarcasm).
Nicholas,
October 5, 2008 - 12:36 ET by R D HelmSo, Obama has denounced Ayers.
That would be like Mussolini denouncing Hitler the day after he was canned by Victor Emmanuel III and the Fascist Grand Council.
Its too little, too late.
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
I agree that this is
October 5, 2008 - 12:54 ET by nicholas nicklebyI agree that this is possible, Dave--that Obama's repudiation of Ayers' terrorist methods might be too little, too late.
But we all have to agree with the facts, that it happened.
Dear apologist...
October 5, 2008 - 14:19 ET by acumenBut we all have to agree with the facts, that it happened.
Would you care to offer an opinion of why it happened? Do you believe that BO's repudiation of Ayres (among many others - more on that later) was genuine or politically expedient? Or do you believe that it is of no concern that the person that wishes to be our CIC in a time of war against terrorists is compelled to repudiate his long relationship with a terrorist?
We may be focusing on an isolated incident in the context you have provided; however, this is far removed from an isolated incident.
BO's repetitive pattern of rebuking former acquaintances (and typical white granny's) is so frequent that not only has this questionable behavior made the phrase 'under the bus' an ongoing source of campaign humor but more importantly raises the critical question of BO's decision-making ability. An ability that is paramount for someone desiring to be the CIC of the US.
A chameleon has the ability to change appearances....but remains a chameleon.
again, a good argument
October 5, 2008 - 15:12 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi acumen,
You raise a good question--if Obama repudiates Ayers and Wright because it's politically expedient, can we trust him? Frankly, I was sort of pointing to the same thing when I brought up Palin using the NY Times--she seems willing to grasp at any politically expedient straw, so can we trust her?
Those two questions are something that I guess each person will have to answer for themselves.
I know Obama has been taken to task in some circles for giving in to political expediency (for instance, in the case of the flag pin, which he now wears--Jon Stewart at the Daily Show humorously criticized Obama for seeming to give in to political expediency).
On the others side, the McCain/Palin campaign has been criticized for bringing up/repeating a lot of discredited talking points (as, for instance, the idea Palin mentioned on Thursday that Obama voted 94 times in the last two years to raise taxes, when, using the McCain campaign's formula for what counts as voting to raise taxes, McCain has actually voted 105 times in the last two years to raise taxes).
So, when politics brings out the worst in people, how can we tell who to trust? As I said, that's a gut feeling that everyone will have to answer for themselves.
Hmm...
October 6, 2008 - 00:26 ET by Indiana Joe"Does Obama's constant, frequent, excessive-beyond-the-norm-even-in-politics-to-the-point-where-it's-become-his-trademark willingness to shift his position and go for what's expedient politically make him appear less principled and trust-worthy?"
"Well... Palin!... McCain!... They all do it!"
IIRC, that line never worked for Nixon.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré
heh
October 6, 2008 - 11:32 ET by nicholas nicklebyI think, IJ, you and I agree on this part--shifting your position for political expediency makes you look, well, shifty--but that we disagree on what actually counts as shifting.
For instance, Obama and Wright--Wright said some inflammatory things, Obama repudiated those statements, Wright continued to say some inflammatory things (and claimed that Obama believed those same things), so then Obama repudiates the man himself. To me, that doesn't sound like he's shifting for political expediency, it looks like he's shifting to address a change. (That change being that Wright claimed to speak for Obama, instead of claiming to speak for himself.)
On the other hand, McCain's shifting positions on the economy (it's strong, it's at risk, I have to rush to Washington to save it) seems more erratic and motivated by political expediency rather than being changes motivated by a changing situation.
(Heh, maybe this is like Heinlein--we both like him, but maybe for different reasons. (Although, actually, probably for some of the same reasons--he can tell a story cleanly.) Hey, you didn't go to the Kansas City Heinlein convention two summers ago did you?)
"Obama, who was a child
October 5, 2008 - 12:58 ET by motherbelt"Obama, who was a child when the Weathermen were planting bombs, has denounced Ayers' radical views and actions."
Really? And when did he do that? Do you have a link, other than to someone else who says that he did?
Was it before or after he held a fundraiser in his home?
Because I've been searching "Obama denounces Ayers" and all the links seem to be about Obama and Ayers, but I can't find where he actually did denounce him!
Even Obama's ad, in response to McCain's ad tying him to Ayers, pretty much says "Why is John McCain talking about the 60's?"
(Variation #11 of "this is a distraction!"
»→ The child Obama
October 5, 2008 - 12:58 ET by Cool ArrowMakes me wonder if maybe Obama is encouraging his children to pen-pal with Charles Manson who hasn't been charged with a crime in over 40 years.
Maybe even Barack could get some pointers on how to punish them when they're bad.
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
Excellent question
October 5, 2008 - 13:08 ET by GBAI keep seeing MSM references to Obama "denouncing" Ayers, but I've never seen a citation or an original source. I admit I'm not some Obama true believer who hangs on his every utterance, so I could have missed it, but none of the reports include a link to support the claim of denunciation. I suppose if your "source" is a memo from the Obama campaign, it might not be within accepted journalistic practices to cite it, even if it's an accepted practice to repeat it!
Democratic debate with Hillary Clinton
October 5, 2008 - 13:08 ET by nicholas nicklebyDuring a debate with HRC, Obama noted
"And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who
engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow
reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George."
(transcript here: http://www.iht.com/a...)
And not to distract from this conversation, but did you guys see that Palin got the story about Obama/Ayers from the New York Times:
"Turns out one of Barack’s earliest supporters is a man who, according
to the New York Times, and they are hardly ever wrong, was a domestic
terrorist and part of a group that quote launched a campaign of
bombings that would target the Pentagon and US Capitol."
(http://thecaucus.blo...)
I assume she's being ironic there, but I don't know.
Thanks for trying to carry
October 5, 2008 - 13:20 ET by Roger the ShrubberThanks for trying to carry Obama's water, but your bucket has holes in it.
You have not answered any of the questions brought up on this thread, aside from WHEN Obama started the under-the-bus-throwing.
Oh, and nice try deflecting the issue with a rather insipid anti-Palin reference.
Feel free to come back when you can actually bring something to the table besides what little you have so far.
anti-Palin?
October 5, 2008 - 13:55 ET by nicholas nicklebyFirst: the main question seems to be when/where did Obama denounce Ayers' terrorist methods--and so, I provided an answer to that: during the Democratic debates, April 2008. (We might be able to find earlier examples, but that's the first that comes up when I google it.)
Second: I'm confused by your charge that I made an anti-Palin reference--the fact that she gets her news from the NY Times doesn't seem negative to me. (Though, we could ask why she references the NYT when the McCain/Palin campaign manager Schmidt so recently excoriated that paper.)
As for the Palin issue being a distraction from the Obama-Ayers issue, I disagree: she referenced the NY Times as one source of her information (though she apparently didn't read the whole article, which says "Mr. Obama, 47, has played down his contacts with Mr. Ayers, 63. But the two men do not appear to have been close.")
Now, did she do that just because it said something that she wanted to bring into play, or does she actually think that the NY Times does a good job? Because, if she actually does think they do a good job, than we have to pay attention to what the article said--"the two men do not appear to have been close"--and not to what we wish it had said.
»→ nickleby
October 5, 2008 - 14:12 ET by Cool ArrowThere you go again.
The record shows Obama denounced the actions of Ayers, but in the same vein as Jeremiah Wright, Obaqma has not denounced the man himself.
If you have proof Obama has renounced Ayers, I'm thinking you'd show it instead of going straight to HuffPo info.
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
»→ Second thought
October 5, 2008 - 14:28 ET by Cool ArrowI'm having trouble finding where he denounced the actions themselves.
Scratch what the record shows until nickleby comes up with proof.
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
I don't get paid for this, you know!
October 5, 2008 - 15:20 ET by nicholas nicklebyA) Obama referred to Ayers' actions as "detestable" in a debate with HRC.
B) Obama spokeman Bill Burton stated that "Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence." (Russell Berman, "Obama's
Ties To Left Come Under Scrutiny," The New York Sun, 2/19/08)
(Also, a historical note, if anyone could confirm this, that would be good--I mean, why should I be the sole source of information here?: when Ayers was a part of the Weathermen, didn't they phone in their bomb threats and target empty buildings? I mean, this wasn't exactly Baader-Meinhof, is it?)
Saying Ayer's actions are
October 5, 2008 - 15:50 ET by ThisnThatSaying Ayer's actions are detestable and condeming only the Weatherman Groups violent acts is different than saying the following:
Tell me -- why can't Obama make simple, clear, declaritive statements like that, instead of trying to parse words that seem to, but really don't, condemn Ayers at all?
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»→ TnT
October 5, 2008 - 16:10 ET by Cool ArrowObama keeps a form letter handy at all times:
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
What's so bad about Ayers, tax-payer, teacher, father?
October 5, 2008 - 17:33 ET by nicholas nicklebyLook, Ayers has a terrorist past, but he has done work to reform himself and has shown remorse. (cf. wounded lawyer Elrod's comment, "they were remorseful", http://www.chicagoma... )
As for saying he didn't do enough, he's commented on that to point out that "enough" doesn't mean bombs: "When I say, 'We didn't do enough,' a lot of people rush to think, 'That
must mean, "We didn't bomb enough s---."' But that's not the point at
all. It's not a tactical statement, it's an obvious political and
ethical statement." (qtd. from http://blogs.abcnews... )
So, is Ayers an unrepentant terrorist who wishes he had done more violence back in the day?
If that were so, then I might expect a repudiation of the sort you draft out, but evidence seems to suggest that, in fact, Ayers is a respected teacher whose violent past seems to be a cause of remorse. And that's why Obama doesn't repudiate Ayers as the person he is today (a law-abiding, upstanding citizen), but does repudiate Ayers' past terrorist methods.
(Now, if Ayers continued using those methods today, that would be another story.)
»→ Nothing nickleby
October 5, 2008 - 17:45 ET by Cool ArrowOf course your argument also defends the pedophiles who are fathers, taxpayers, teachers.
No way would I wish on your children the penalty of your unbridled liberalism.
Please tell me you were smart enough not to have any.
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
no, it doesn't, Cool Arrow
October 5, 2008 - 18:07 ET by nicholas nicklebyMy argument doesn't defend pedophiles who are fathers, tax-payers, teachers.
My argument defends pedophiles who have paid the price for their crimes, who have shown remorse, and who are seeking help.
That's a big difference--my argument is based on the possibility that people can become better. (I mean, Bush no longer sniffs coke, Palin and Obama no longer smoke marijuana--people can change their ways and become better.)
(Also, just to be clear, the fact that Ayers is a father, tax-payer, and teacher isn't just me saying "look, he's an okay guy just like us." Since his previous political activities were against American institutions, I think it says something that he has become a part of those institutions--he's a father, a husband, a teacher, a tax-payer. He has joined the mainstream institutions he once opposed. That's my point--he's reformed.)
And brother, personal attacks aren't helpful.
»→ Yes it does nickleby
October 5, 2008 - 18:13 ET by Cool ArrowOK, so you would trust your young children to a pedophile babysitter.
It doesn't surprise me, but it does nauseate me.
How's that "Free Sirhan-Sirhan rally going?
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
nickleby - what have you been smoking?
October 5, 2008 - 18:13 ET by Dee BunkHe didn't protest those liberal institutions he protested the war, and government. He he has not reformed - he has said he would do it all over again and more. He's unrepentant and didn't even serve his time because Clinton pardoned him.
I don't disagree that people can become better
October 5, 2008 - 18:17 ET by AFCloneI will disagree that Mr. Ayers has. 2001, stepping on a flag, ring any bell?
Just because someone is a father or a teacher doesn't make them necessary a "good" person or someone who is worthy to be a mentor or associate of. Saddam Hussein loved his children. Adolf Hitler loved his country. But you would have to agree, neither gentlemen were a "good" person.
While I applaud those who work in a non-violent or confrontational way to change what they believe is wrong, Mr. Ayers does not fall in that category. He took a violent approach in his earlier career and it appears still applauds those who follow that path.
not all fathers are good
October 5, 2008 - 19:21 ET by nicholas nicklebyAFClone,
I wasn't arguing that all fathers/teachers/tax-payers are good men--I was arguing that Ayers seems to have changed his views. That is, he used to belong to the Weathermen, and one of their slogans was "Smash monogamy," right? But now he's married--so, you can see, he has changed some of his ways/beliefs.
(We could follow this further: he used to be against the American government's war in Vietnam, but now he pays taxes--some of which goes to fund other wars, and whether or not he agrees with those wars, he isn't planning, inciting, or taking part in violent protest against those wars.)
(Also, you say that "it appears [he] still applauds those who follow that path [violent protest]," but I'm not sure I see any evidence of that. Do you have some quotes or citations?)
Just the photo from 2001
October 5, 2008 - 19:23 ET by AFCloneStanding on the American flag the day after 9/11. Not quite dancing in the street, but actions speak very loudly.
Did you or did you not read my post?
October 5, 2008 - 19:26 ET by JWFThe man is a killer! You can't change your views after KILLING someone.
I used to kill people but now I am reformed. Horseshit.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
double-standard
October 5, 2008 - 19:44 ET by nicholas nicklebyhi JWF,
I did read your posts, but you said you didn't want to hear from me, so I thought I wouldn't respond to your post.
If you argue that killing people is a mortal sin, then there's nothing more to talk about--except possibly to point out how many innocent civilians die in wars. I mean, you're not calling for Bush to be tried as a murderer, right? So, why the double-standard?
(P.S. "Horseshit"? Isn't that what McCain said under his breath at the last debate?)
nick... Now I get it, you
October 5, 2008 - 19:49 ET by Clear thinkernick...
Now I get it, you were actually one of Bill Ayers students!
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Clear - you broke the
October 5, 2008 - 19:52 ET by Free StinkerClear - you broke the code! ;-)
Gee, I thought it was
October 5, 2008 - 19:55 ET by Clear thinkerGee, I thought it was getting obvious.
Obama Must Prove He’s American Born
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ROFL!
October 5, 2008 - 19:59 ET by Free StinkerROFL!
Someone help me out.
October 5, 2008 - 20:01 ET by JWFWill someone tell me how someone this stupid manages to operate a computer?
The president has the authority as Commander In Chief, defined by the CONSTITUTION, to command others to kill. THAT IS THE LAW! You gonna argue the law with me now tinybrain?
Who in the name of all the is wooly said ANYTHING about mortal sin?
Innocent civilians? Really? Wars? Plural? Wars? I was right the first time, you are a waste.
You are Michael Malone personified on NB. And you need even more slapping than he got.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
did you look at the box office for American Carol?
October 5, 2008 - 20:15 ET by nicholas nicklebyA "mortal sin," JWF is a sin that, if it goes unconfessed and unabsolved, will condemn a soul to hell. It's a term used in Catholic theology and in some Protestant sects. (The other common type of sin is "venial"--a partial rather than total loss of grace.)
I was using it in the sense that it refers to a sin which totally cuts one off from God. So, you were saying that murder is a clear line dividing the reformable from the unreformable--in my book, we could call that the line between mortal and venial sins.
I'm not sure what the rest of your post is meant to communicate, other than that you'd rather not argue with me. In which case, I don't know why you called me out for not responding to you.
(In case you were wondering, by "wars" I meant the two theatres of war we're engaged in, Iraq and Afghanistan. By "innocent civilians" I mean people who get caught in crossfire for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. By comparing Bush to Ayers, I meant to point out that both were in advisory or commanding capacities when those under them engaged in deadly violence. We could argue about the il/legality of those actions, but I don't think you really want to, so I'll just say good night.)
P.S. In case you were wondering, American Carol did about 3.8 million this weekend; Religulous did around 3.5 million; so, American Carol did about 10% better, though it was at 300% times the theater-screens. And that's one reason why Hollywood doesn't make overtly political movies (right or left)--they don't make a lot of money.
Talk to the hand
October 5, 2008 - 20:18 ET by JWFI am done with you loser.
HE IS A KILLER!
October 5, 2008 - 18:49 ET by JWFPeople, very real people, DIED as of the results of the actions of the group this man was with. They were KILLED!
He is only walking free because a mistakes on the part of law enforcement. He walked on a technicality!
The things you are saying here have crossed a very clear line. You don't reform after KILLING PEOPLE.
I am absolutely disgusted. I don't want to read any more from this complete waste of oxygen.
Leave now.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Nick
October 5, 2008 - 18:12 ET by well99When they talk about stretching exercises being good for you they are talking about physical exercise.You are really stretching with this.Can you show where he actually expressed remorse?Just a note:
"Thank you for helping to call Obama ans Ayres out. Now could you please do something about ABC News misinformation that "nobody was killed," by WUO. Three of their own members died in a bomb blast, an armor car guard and two NJ Troopers died during a botched robbery, and a SF police sergeant died at the hand of a Weatherman."
Do you think those officers were fathers?
Obama didnt distance himself from Rezko til Rezko came up on charges.Even though Rezko had bilked all that money to renovate apts and didnt do the job.No surprise about his connections with Ayers.
weather underground's malice aforethought
October 5, 2008 - 19:40 ET by nicholas nicklebyhey well99,
I don't think it's any stretch to say that a guy who now owns a house, teaches at a school, and has two kids might have changed a bit from the guy who planted bombs. (As for showing remorse, my evidence of that was that he expressed remorse to a private citizen who was hurt by his activities/friends' activities.)
Thanks for the historical note re: WUO-related deaths, although it doesn't exactly address my main question, which is whether or not the WUO phoned in their bombs beforehand to prevent people from dying.
(Actually, it reminds me of a distinction someone once made between Israeli and Palestinean forces: if you separated out people into civilians and armed combatants, the Israelis will only go to kill the armed combatants, whereas the Palestinean terrorists would go to kill both. We can argue about this, but it seems that the Weathermen fit more the Israeli model: going after armed targets and trying to minimize damage to civilians (by, for instance, calling in bomb-threats beforehand).)
As for Obama not cutting off ties with Rezko until his criminal charges came up, I don't know what you're saying. I mean, McCain said he was happy to have Rev. Hagee's support, until it became clear that Hagee was an anti-Semite, anti-Catholic, etc.--people tend to react to things only after they become known. I guess you're arguing that Obama knew before that Rezko was no good, though I've not seen any evidence of that. (Was Obama a frequent visitor to the buildings that Rezko owned? Why would he be? He wasn't, after all, the health and fire-code inspector.)
Are you completely brain dead?
October 5, 2008 - 19:48 ET by JWFThanks for the historical note re: WUO-related deaths, although it doesn't exactly address my main question, which is whether or not the WUO phoned in their bombs beforehand to prevent people from dying.
They were killers! Ayers is a MURDERER.
SFTU already. You are sounding a lot like an accomplice after the fact with your continuing hearty hearty touchy feely love for a stone cold killer.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Nick
October 5, 2008 - 19:55 ET by well99"Obama, who has worked as a lawyer and a legislator to improve living conditions for the poor, took campaign donations from Rezko even as Rezko's low-income housing empire was collapsing, leaving many African-American families in buildings riddled with problems -- including squalid living conditions, vacant apartments, lack of heat, squatters and drug dealers."
Rezko was given money to do renovations.Obama turned a blind eye to Rezko neglect of his state contract.
dates
October 5, 2008 - 20:23 ET by nicholas nicklebyhi Well99, the only thing your account is missing is the dates:
in 1995, Obama was working as a lawyer, did about 35 hours of work on a Rezko-related deal, and took donations from Rezko when he ran for state senate;
in 2001, Rezko's empire was collapsing.
So, if you want to argue that Obama (as a lawyer) turned a blind eye on Rezko's obvious misdealings, you also have to admit that Obama can see 6 years into the future!
(Now, I'm not disputing everything you say here: in fact, after Rezko's company started having problems, Obama continued to associate with him as a campaign finance manager. But what I am disputing is that Obama somehow turned a blind eye as a lawyer (to something that hadn't yet happened), or that he was necessarily in the know about Rezko's dealings. I mean, take some neighbor of yours that you're reasonably friendly with--do you think you know how his business is going? Very possibly, but not necessarily. As Obama said later, it was "boneheaded" to get involved with Rezko, but I don't think it was criminal or even wrong. But we may disagree on that! :) )
Nick
October 5, 2008 - 21:07 ET by well99Gee Nick let me post that again
"Obama, who has worked as a lawyer and a "**>legislator<**" to improve living conditions for the poor, took campaign donations from Rezko even as Rezko's low-income housing empire was collapsing, leaving many African-American families in buildings riddled with problems -- including squalid living conditions, vacant apartments, lack of heat, squatters and drug dealers."
It might be my mistake but arent State Senators suppose to look after the people in their district and state?Just a note:Ayers is a terrorist.In no way shape or form can you compare him and his group with Israel soldiers.See unless their is a hostile act you cant fire on civilians includeing police.With US forces it is a violation of the UCMJ.For you slimey civilians(J/K) that is the Uniform Code Of Military Justice.
oops, my bad re: Rezko
October 5, 2008 - 21:38 ET by nicholas nicklebymy bad, well99, I addressed a point that you didn't make! I think, just for that, the debate this round goes to you. (I mean, how many posts could we save if people--including/especially me--read more carefully.)
And you're right when you say that a state senator should be aware of what's going on in his district. (This is, after all, very much the same thing I said about Palin in regards to her police chief charging for rape kits--that an executive has to be aware of the people he/she works with.) I don't agree with the charge that, as a lawyer, Obama failed his duty, but definitely as a state senator, he seems to have dropped the ball on this one.
Advantage: well99.
Hey Nick
October 5, 2008 - 22:01 ET by well99It wasnt in reference to Obama as a lawyer.It was about the his position as State Senators.As someone who has done volunteer work with homeless way back when it is a sore spot with me when public officials dont do their job.Just a note:We didnt register any to vote.We provided food and helped them with non profit and public sources of help.IE shelter homes and such.
Nickleby
October 5, 2008 - 20:29 ET by ThisnThatHas Ayers ever appologized for standing on the American flag? Did he ever make ammends for doing this? He posed on the American flag in 2001. His support of Obama began in the 1990's.
Has Obama ever condemned Ayers for stomping on the American flag? Did Obama do that in 2001? Or has Obama been silent about this?
Finally, why are you defending Ayers in the face of all these facts? Are you just plain stupid, or are you anti-American like all the other leftist looneys?
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He is a dolt.
October 5, 2008 - 20:39 ET by JWFHe is a dolt defending a stone cold killer, and trying to argue about innocents being killed on the battlefield.
Yes, anti-american fits the mold he popped out of.
He is an abomination to every gold star mother and father that have ever graced this planet.
I spent 20 years ready to die for this country and I want to slap the ever lovin s#&t out of him.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Don't question my patriotism
October 5, 2008 - 20:42 ET by nicholas nicklebyThisnThat,
My America isn't just a flag, but set of rights and promises--my America actually stands for something: it's a shining city on a hill, a place where people can be the best they can be. It's a country founded an an ideal of liberty and equal opportunity. I believe in an America that promises that American troops won't be used recklessly in an unnecessary war, an America that won't privatize profits and publically-subsidize loss.
I love my country, ThisnThat, but my country isn't a flag. Ayers can step on a flag if he wants to, but that doesn't hurt my country. You know what hurts my country? There are a lot of things that potentially hurt my country, from terrorism to global warming, but a guy standing on a flag--that doesn't hurt my country at all.
And if some guy standing on a flag does hurt your country, then I think my country must be stronger than yours.
Ayres has the freedom to step on a flag
October 5, 2008 - 20:54 ET by jefflebowskiJust like I have the freedom to break his little pencil-neck if he does it beside me.
You're right in that the flag is a piece of cloth but it does represent a lot of people....many hundreds of thousands of them a whole hell of a lot better than that POS Ayres...have given their lives so he would have the freedom to step on the flag. But he would be very wise to watch where he does it.
Jeff Lebowski
www.angrywhitedude.c...
nicholas knucklehead,
October 5, 2008 - 21:17 ET by R D HelmI have a news flash for you:
There is no way that a man who clearly detests the very country and culture he came from, and who has willingly associated himself with a slew of others with similar sentiments, be it Ayers, Wright, his very own wife, or whoever, will EVER be elected President of the United States.
Socialism/Marxism/Communism/Fascism/Nazism/Progressivism, or whatever other left-wing tag you wish to apply to totalitarianism, was responsible for the deaths of nearly 200 million people during the 20th Century. It is inarguably the most murderous, oppressive and dignity-robbing form of government the world has yet seen.
Socialism and true freedom are totally incompatible concepts. They are the oil-and-vinegar of the political spectrum.
Most here at NB stand for freedom. You, however, clearly do not.
As such, we at NB are not only legitimately questioning your patriotism, given that this country's foundation was true freedom, but given your oft-stated support for the socialist candidate for president, we are also questioning your intelligence.
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
Dave's new job, perhaps?
October 5, 2008 - 21:19 ET by MrShyProfessor, Fundamentals in the Art of Liberal Smackdowns
However, jobs in the universities for this position might be hard to come by these days. :p
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Obama not that left
October 5, 2008 - 21:33 ET by nicholas nicklebyDave, you and I are clearly not going to agree on this--for one thing, Obama isn't all that left. Do you remember that moment in the Biden-Palin debate where both candidates agreed that they were against gay marriage?
Second, there are a lot of socialist and labor parties that work in various governments around the world, and that work within a multi-party system. (Many of those parties are religiously inclined, like the Christian Socialists of Italy, Netherlands, Switzerland, etc. And before I get jumped for this, I'm not saying that we should be more like Italy, Netherlands, Switzerland--I'm just pointing out that religion and left-wing politics can go hand-in-hand.)
Third, I think that showing love for your country would be to think about how to continue our greatness--in case you haven't noticed, we've got a bit of trouble here both financially and militarily. All I hear from McCain is how he'll give money to Americans (a plan which no economist seems to agree with); but what I hear from Obama is a plan for restoring our national strength and our international standing.
And that's why, if things continue like this, I'll be voting for Obama.
But like I said, I don't think we'll agree on this any time soon.
Obama isn't all that left
October 5, 2008 - 21:39 ET by Clear thinkerNot all that left?????? Are you completely out of your mind???
He is the most liberal of all Senators! Good God man, don't you pay attention to anything other than propoganda? Fuhrer Obama Hitler Youth
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the National Journal's flawed methodology
October 5, 2008 - 21:44 ET by nicholas nicklebyfirst, the National Journal's "most liberal" analysis is kind of a joke. So, let's look at his policy proposals:
He wants to cut taxes on the middle class--what's so liberal about that?
He opposes gay marriage.
He's for the death penalty.
He believes in prosecuting the war in Afghanistan until we capture the people responsible for 9/11.
Like McCain, he voted for the revised bailout bill. (So, if you think this is liberal, than you have to put McCain on the list also.)
Seriously: an Obama win in November won't be the end of the USA.
Nicholas... Wow, a true
October 5, 2008 - 22:32 ET by LiberalliesNicholas...
Wow, a true Obamabot! holy cow. Do you truly believe what Obama says?
So, he opposes gay marriage. Why, because he says so? may want to look at how he voted for pro-gay agenda in the Illinois Senate. My foot he opposes gay marriage.
He believes in the death penatly? hahaha!!! another lie from Obama. May want to look how he voted against death penatly laws in Illinois.
He believes in prosecuting the Afghanistan War by getting us into Pakistan!
He also believes that we should send our military to Darfur.
So let us get this straight. Obama wants us out of Iraq to put us in Pakistan and Darfur. So, in the eyes of Obama, and by extension that of anyone that votes for him, the life of an individual in Darfur is worth more than that of the life of an Iraqi. Wow! and Republicans are suppose to be the racist.
He wants to lower taxes on the middle class? HAHAHAHA!!! that's right by raising taxes on those individuals and corporations that make $250,000 or more. Guess what? Small Business in America would be devastated under Obama's tax plan. It is small business in America that make the majority of $250,000 and above, not filthy rich Americans.
I am sure you fall for the line that Obama will lower taxes on 95% of Americans, right? I bet you swallow that line, cheer it up and down.....right? Problem......less than 70% of Americans pay taxes, so how can he lower it for 95% of Americans when 25% of these do not pay taxes? Obamabots truly do not think, do they?
Furthermore, why do you and Obama have something against success? Why do you want to punish with taxes those individuals that make a good living? why? Since when it the place of government to tax your success? Only in the mind of an Obamabot!
An Obama Presidency would mark the biggest decline in American morality, values, power, etc.
By the way, funny that you mention that he would bring back our standing the world. How?
France currently has a pro-America, pro-Bush government, so does Germany, so does Italy and England is headed in that direction too. So, what do you mean by bringing back the standing of the United States around the world?
Furthermore, as my parents have said, they have heard this crap that America is not liked around the world since Eisenhower. It is a bunch of crap and bullsh....t Liberal propaganda.
Furthermore, since when is the world a Liberals high school playground where you do what is popular and not what is right? when will Liberal grow up? when?
who the hell cares what the world thinks of America! do you think France cared what the world thought of her when they meddled in the Ivory Coast? do you? Do you think Germany cared what they thought of her when they were in bed with Hussein? and how about France and Russia? all nations that have the blood of millions of Iraqis in their hands since they backed up and protected the Iraq dictator! do you think they cared?
Obamabots are mindless fools who do not care to learn how to think. They just spew Obama propaganda without thinking further than the lies they have been taught.
Obama is playing on the lower denomanator of Americans, their lack of education and their lack of historical knowledge.
I know this will happen. If Obama is elected to the Presidency, the majority of those that voted for him will come to regret their vote in less than two years! I have seen these types of electiosn before, I have read about them in history books. People are dazzled by the populism of a candidate and they do not care to go deeper than the shallowness of the message of the candidate.
God help this nation if Obama is elected President.
bolded for your reading pleasure
October 6, 2008 - 12:26 ET by nicholas nicklebyWow, Liberallies, there's a lot there, so I may not get to all of it or in as much depth as we would like.
First, the obvious one, gay marriage: if you watched the Biden-Palin debate, you know that both candidates' platforms support civil unions for gays and are opposed to marriage for gays.
Second, on the death penalty, he has noted that the death penalty "does
little to deter crime," but he supports capital punishment in cases "so
heinous, so beyond the pale, that the community is justified in
expressing the full measure of its outrage by meting out the ultimate
punishment."
Third, on Iraq vs. Darfur, no one would ever say this is a choice between Iraqi and Sudanese lives--it might better be phrased as a choice between getting involved between two armed factions in a civil war (unless the Kurds are also fighting, in which case, we're in the middle of three armed factions) and getting involved in stopping a genocide perpetrated by an armed faction against an unarmed faction. It's genocide, Liberallies--nothing more, nothing less.
Fourth, on the economy, you might look at this report on how many professional economists prefer Obama--both because his plans are better and because he seems more able to deal with crisis. ( http://www.economist... ). The only thing I'll say is that you're confusing small business taxes with income taxes (you wrote: "by raising taxtes on those individuals and corporations that make $250,000 or more")--you're right that people who make more than 250k a year will face a tax increase, but that's income tax on people not on businesses.
And I don't understand why conservatives are so up in arms over the Obama plan to cut taxes on people who don't pay taxes (i.e., to give tax credits and rebates) when so many conservatives here applauded the Bush stimulus checks--which went out even to people who didn't pay taxes! If it helps, you can think of Obama's tax plan as a stimulus plan.
Fifth, in international standing, Obama has a number of points in his favor (not least of which is remembering that Spain is a NATO ally in Europe). But in particular, what I meant by improving our international standing is that we would not engage in wars that have no moral backing, and we would engage in war as a last resort. Look, the Global War on Terror is a war for hearts and minds, and you can't win hearts and minds by blowing off people's arms and legs. It's true that some people will always not like America, but it will be easier to deal with those outlaws if we establish some standards that will attract allies to us on our terms. (And your list of pro-Bush European allies is missing Britain, of course, since our pro-Bush friend there was voted out.)
And if we're bringing up history, I don't think anyone can declare to have historical knowledge if you don't mention how the US was supporting Hussein for most of his rule. (In fact, remember Rumsfeld went over in '83-'84, and Cheney under Bush Sr. supported increasing financial credits for Iraq. Actually, Hussein probably got his start in '59 through CIA contacts. So, yes, there's blood on the hands of people who protected Hussein and his dictatorship, but there's plenty of blood to go around. I could also point out that preventing needless slaughter of innocent, unarmed civilians is exactly what intervention in Darfur is meant to accomplish--you just haven't heard of al-Bashir as a dictatorial, genocidal maniac yet.)
Now, I don't know what the future holds, but Obama's plans are similar to McCain's in many ways (not supporting gay marriage), and where they differ (the economy, the Iraq), they seem better. Liberals may be disappointed when he gets into office and we see how centrist many of his policies are (the ones where he agrees with McCain), but overall, well, I won't speak for future history. We'll have to see.
focus.
October 5, 2008 - 21:50 ET by JWFWhen the dolt is not busy kissing the behind of a stone cold killer, he ponders over the national journal and the leftiness of Obama's behind.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
nicholas, you have got to be kidding, right?
October 5, 2008 - 22:16 ET by R D Helm...but what I hear from Obama is a plan for restoring our national strength and our international standing.
National strength? What, by slamming small business owners with a huge (and I mean confiscatory) tax increase?
Small business is responsible for creating 80% of the new jobs in this economy, and you are going to vote for a man who is going to put a sizable percentage of those very people out of work? Oh, that is just brilliant!
As for restoring our international standing, I can only surmise that you hope Obama so weakens this country that the French, Iranians, Russians, etc., and lets not forget those third-world leaches at the U.N will like us again, right?
Two points here:
1) They never liked us to begin with.
2) Just exactly who, that matters, anyway, really cares?
Maybe you lay awake at night wondering what a bunch of candy-ass Europeans think about this country. I don't give a flying fornication what they think.
Hell, if it wasn't for this country (and not a few of my family members, both living and dead) most Europeans (and not a few North Africans) would, to this very moment, be conversing in German while driving around in Volkswagens, swilling beer and consuming mass quantities of viener schnitzel on a stick.
Not only that, but Japanese would be the spoken language in Australia and throughout most of the Pacific Rim.
And you are worried about our international standing?
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
oh, noes, foreigners like Obama
October 6, 2008 - 11:59 ET by nicholas nicklebyHi Dave,
First, on economic principles, the candidates' plans have been examined by professional economists, and though experts may not always be right--well, do you know the old phrase "The race is not always to the swift. The battle is not always to the strong. But that's the way to bet." (Damon Runyon)
So, according to this survey done by The Economist, more professional economists like Obama's plan: http://www.economist... -- like I said, the experts may be wrong, but that's the way to bet.
Second, I really have to address this ridiculous notion that America exists all alone and doesn't need foreign allies. You do know, I'm sure, that we have a web of connections with many foreign countries, whether it's a military alliance with our European NATO allies, or a financial relationship with the banks of China and Japan. The idea that we don't need to care about the international stage is just ridiculous because we're on the international stage. (That seems like a fair definition of what it means to be a superpower--whether we want to or not, other nations have relationships with us.)
Now, don't get me wrong, Dave, I'm not saying we should vote for Obama because Germans love him--that would be as ridiculous as voting for someone because other countries hated him/her. What we have to do is vote for the best person for the job.
But you have to admit--if you take the Global War on Terror at all seriously--that part of the job of the president is to be an international leader. And John McCain, with his erratic and confused actions doesn't seem able to do that. (Did you hear the interview with him about meeting the president of Spain, a NATO ally?)
Now we are really hurting.
October 5, 2008 - 21:40 ET by JWFThe dolt wants us to stop picking on him or he will not vote for McCain. That has me shaking in my boots.
First we call him unpatriotic and now we are making him reconsider his voting conundrum. Man, we are the biggest bunch of meanies ever!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Now we hurt his feelings. We questioned his patriotism. Awwwwww.
October 5, 2008 - 20:51 ET by JWFAnd he wants to talk about the flag now.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2008/05/27/campbell-concurs-obama-flag-pin-issue-nonsensical-ridiculous#comment-623122
I will speak for myself, a 20 Navy vet. It is important, here is why:
I saluted the U.S Flag every day for 20 years at 0800 every morning and held that salute while the national anthem was played. I saluted the flag every day at sundown when the flag was lowered. Sometimes it was me, putting up the flag.
The U.S Flag was displayed on the quarterdeck of every command I was stationed. It flew over every installation I was stationed or visited. It flew off the back of every ship in port and at the top of the mast underway. I saluted the U.S. Flag when I boarded the ship and I saluted the flag when I left.
There was a flag at every ceremony I attended. Displayed indoors, held outdoors. That flag was saluted by all.
The day I retired, I received a U.S. Flag that was flown over the USS Arizona on December 7 2000. 900 men are still intombed on that ship Mr. Roland.
I am a member of the American Legion now. The flag is sewn on my A.L. uniform. I proudly hold the U.S Flag while there is a 21 gun salute when a veteran is buried. The surviving members of the veterans family is presented with the flag covering his coffin. It is the last thing they receive. I expect my family members to get my last flag someday.
So, yes, honoring the American Flag is the very least I can expect from our next Commander In Chief.
Hundreds of thousands of men have died for this flag, and honoring it is important to me.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Yeah, JWF, and I will
October 6, 2008 - 17:48 ET by ThisnThatYeah, JWF, and I will question the patriotism of anyone and everyone who support Ayer's dishonerable display of anti-Americanism by stomping on the flag.
Nickleby has no idea what patriotism is all about. He's read something in a book once; and then he's talked about this with his looney-left friends, and is doing what leftists always do -- redefining terms, words, and meanings to fit his world-view, with the expectation that we will abandon this country's history, symbols, and standards for his. He's wrong, and he feigns indignation with his stupid words "my country ... vs. your country". What a buffoon.
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definitions
October 6, 2008 - 18:08 ET by nicholas nicklebyWell, ThisnThat, what does patriotism mean to you?
(And, actually, my little "my country" vs. "your country" was not entirely serious since we share the same country, but obviously not the same vision for what makes this country great. I gave my little spiel about why I think America is great, and I'd be glad to hear yours. Maybe without the name-calling, this time.)
(Also, and I really don't mean to be a jerk by doing this, and I rarely do it to fellow posters, but "honor" is spelled with all o's--so it's "dishonorable," not "dishonerable." It's a mistake that I've seen a bunch of times on this thread/forum from a bunch of different people, and I think we might start spreading good English skills here. Spread the good word: "honor," like "good," has two o's.)
The traitorous dolt speaks.
October 6, 2008 - 18:50 ET by JWFI did not say screw my country. It was just a joke guys. ha ha ha.
Really, I am not a traitor. Really, guys, come on. I was joking when I say I have a crush on Ayers and want to big feely huggy hug hug Obama.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Yes. It is distracting.
October 5, 2008 - 13:22 ET by JWFIt was a sarcastic comment, not ironic. sarcasm is irony with mocking, might want to check on that there junior.
And why assume? Since you don't know, we are here to help you out. Palin is right. Obama is wrong. There. Ok?
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
I assume she's being
October 5, 2008 - 13:23 ET by Jack BauerWell humorless lefties do have a problem with irony. It's very nuanced you know.
»→ Irony
October 5, 2008 - 13:32 ET by Cool Arrow"Being ironic" would be something like John McCain debating that he will put a stop to earmarks and following with a vote endorsing the biggest honey glazed ham in history.
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
Exactly! Both Mr.
October 5, 2008 - 13:41 ET by MidAmericaExactly! Both Mr. Maverick and Mr. Change who are going to shake up Washington pushed this bail-out bill with enough pork in it to keep us all in sausage for a lifetime.
I do have one concern though... what are we going to call the 'earmarks' to our growing Muslim population centers. We can't be giving them 'pork'.
ho ho ho. funny mid! Or
October 5, 2008 - 13:43 ET by Jack Bauerho ho ho. funny mid! Or asking them to keep their snouts out the trough.
»→ Camel
October 5, 2008 - 14:03 ET by Cool ArrowThey can call it camel which is evidently clean for many purposes. From the Ayatollah Khomeini:
And you thought "camel hump" referred to that bulge on their back.
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
I like the part about
October 5, 2008 - 21:14 ET by RESTLESS 1I like the part about selling the meat to the next door village. LOL. "Hey, does this meat taste funny to you? Oh, hell, just keep it. <wink, wink>."
"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008
I try to be ironic, but end
October 5, 2008 - 13:42 ET by Jack BauerI aim for ironic, but invariably hit on sardonic.
»→ It's OK, Jack
October 5, 2008 - 14:04 ET by Cool ArrowNapoleon was Corsican. I think Sardonia is close by.
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
Ohhhh. Lovely logic there.
October 5, 2008 - 13:05 ET by JWFI have murdered 7 people. But now I denounce murder.
This excuses my previous actions.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
"Obama, who was a child
October 5, 2008 - 13:16 ET by Jack BauerWhen exactly did he first "denounce" Ayers?
Ten days ago? Ten weeks ago? Ten months ago? Ten years ago?
I'm only using the same standard that the left holds conservatives to. That's only fair I think.
You know, the old "what did he know, and when did he know it" litmus test.
When a judge says, "disregard that last statement,"...
October 5, 2008 - 13:24 ET by ThalpyWhen a judge says,"disregard that last statement," does the statement go away or is it denounced? How many things and people does Obama have to denounce before he can be considered a patriot with allegiance to the United States? Obama doesn't have it in him to do what is necessary. Racist! Traitor.
Raise your hand if you didn't see this charge coming from 10 mi.
October 5, 2008 - 12:19 ET by R D HelmKeep it up, AP!
After all, McPork needs all the help he can get!
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
Douglass Daniel
October 5, 2008 - 12:35 ET by NorthCoasterWhat a poor excuse for a journalist. The article is an illogical mix of facts and personal opinion. How is the mention of terrorists "Racist" when Bill Ayers and his cohorts are white? Sarah Palin is a better journalist than Douglass because she is presenting the facts accurately.
Crash is right. Bill Ayers continues to be unrepentent about his actions in the 60's. His past opinions affected everything that he did when he and Barak were working together and what he continues to do today.
Hmm terrorist
October 5, 2008 - 12:29 ET by well99Let see some groups
GEORGIA
Zviadists
GOALS: Extremist supporters of deceased former Georgian President Zviad Gamsakhurdia. Overthrow Gamsakhurdia's successor Eduard Shevardnadze's rule.
GREECE
Revolutionary Nuclei (RN) a.k.a. Revolutionary Cells
GOALS: Believed to be the successor group to the Revolutionary People’s Struggle (ELA), RN is a leftist group with an anti-establishment, anti-U.S., anti-NATO and anti-EU agenda. The ELA, which sought to oppose “imperialist domination, exploitation, and oppression,” has not been active since 1995.
JAPAN
Aum Supreme Truth (Aum) a.k.a. Aum Shinrikyo, Aleph
GOALS: To take over Japan and then the world.
Japanese Red Army (JRA) a.k.a. Anti-Imperialist International Brigade (AIIB)
GOALS: To overthrow the Japanese government and monarchy and to help foment world revolution.
NORTHERN IRELAND
Continuity Irish Republican Army (CIRA) a.k.a. Continuity Army Council
GOALS: The reunification of Ireland and to forcing British troops from Northern Ireland.
Irish Republican Army (IRA) a.k.a. Provisional Irish Republican Army (PIRA), the Provos
Removing British forces from Northern Ireland and unifying Ireland.
Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF)
GOALS:Prevent a political settlement with Irish nationalists in Northern Ireland by attacking Catholic politicians, civilians, and Protestant politicians who endorse the Northern Ireland peace process.
SPAIN
Basque Fatherland and Liberty (ETA), a.k.a. Euzkadi Ta Askatasuna
GOALS: Esblish an independent homeland based on Marxist principles in the northern Spanish provinces of Vizcaya, Guipuzcoa, Alava, and Navarra and the southwestern French departments of Labourd, Basse-Navarra, and Soule.
Italy
The Red Brigades was a Marxist-Leninist left wing terrorist group active in Italy in the 1970s and early 1980s.
Germany
Bader Meinhof
Red Army Brigade
Some of us still remember the last three from the old days.This is just a few and I didnt add islamic or many others.AP or Al-Queada Press needs to look in the mirror to see the true racist.
MSM
October 5, 2008 - 12:33 ET by ConLosRepublicanosNoThe first thing the MSM did after they heard
Gov. Palin was say this is an attack from a desperate McCain camp, instead of
looking at the connections. What Palin and McCain needs do is keep pushing at
some point they'll have to cover it.
Obama: "No, if we're going to ask questions about who is promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily"
Anyone
October 5, 2008 - 12:38 ET by NorthCoasterAnyone want to place bets on when the MSM does some real investigative journalism on BHO?
The Obama Race Baiters?
October 5, 2008 - 12:39 ET by XfreeXThis does not strick me as anything new coming from the Obama camp and their radical left wing side kicks. Race baiting has been the sum of the Obama campaign. From AL. Sharpton and Jessy Jackson to Oprah and her band of redundant celebs. This has always been the top scare tactic use by the Obama camp and the democratic congressional leadership. What i dont understand is how the heck can Obama's many followers ignore such lack of integrity and honor such as Obama's and still support him.
The Democratic Party Disgusts Me ! (And I'm A Democrat)
but obama was only 8 years old!!
October 5, 2008 - 12:48 ET by political mavenWhat kind of silly answer is that by Obama? If you hang out with him NOW is shows you don't mind what he did THEN.
It's like saying that an admirer of Hitler isn;t so bad, because Hitler was dead befor the guy was born.
Why is McCain so braindead that he can't give this answer??
Everyone seems to be missing
October 5, 2008 - 12:51 ET by Paul GEveryone seems to be missing the 9th paragragh in the piece. The last line says,"No evidence shows they were 'Pals' or even close when they worked on community boards years ago and Ayers hosted a political event for Obama early in his career". WHAT?? He 'HOSTED' a 'political event' and there's no evidence they were close?
Racist!
October 5, 2008 - 13:07 ET by spiffRacist is the second to the last thing some people stoop to when they have no more arguments to fall back on. In a rush to find an argument to use against their opponent they reach for the most detectable thing in one's mind and unless you have been living under a rock for the last fifty years racism is right at the top at that list.
Google reductio ad Hitlerum.
Vote NO on Arizona Proposition 202
It's not what they say it is!
http://stoppropositi...
I will correct you now sir.
October 5, 2008 - 13:10 ET by JWFI was... You are... But... No, he said.... And then... oh, crap. Racist!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
So, when is McCain going to apologize to Obama,
October 5, 2008 - 13:13 ET by R D HelmSo, when is McCain going to apologize to Obama, denounce Palin as he throws her off the ticket, and replaces her with Arlen Specter?
-Dave
If this nation is to be saved, it will be libertarian principles that save it.
»→ Better yet
October 5, 2008 - 13:28 ET by Cool ArrowHe can chunk himself under the Straight Talk Express bus.
If he really wanted to distance himself from Obama and Bush, he would have stood up for Americans and rubbed the noses of both houses in the stench of that butt burrito they call a Rescue Plan..
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
Can you imagine the outrage if Gov. Palin acted like B.O.
October 5, 2008 - 13:36 ET by john5750Can you imagine the fury if Gov. Palin began her political career with the help and money of an anti-American terrorist bomber and cop-killer.
And, if she had worked closely with that scumbag over many years and is still close to him, but denying it.
Add to that, what if Sarah Palin had a convicted criminal involved in her house purchase and a rich Iraqi criminal involved in the money end of it.
What if she spent the last 20 years listening to an anti-American racist preacher, and subjected her children to it.
Oh my God, all hell would break loose.
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Barack Obama and Bill Ayers: Stanley Kurtz Makes the Connection
By Rich Noyes | September 23, 2008
Writing in today’s Wall Street Journal and National Review Online, Ethics and Public Policy Center senior fellow Stanley Kurtz traces Barack Obama’s partnership with former domestic terrorist William Ayers when the two collaborated at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, established to help Chicago’s public schools that was commandeered by Ayers to promote his radical agenda.
The project failed after millions of taxpayer's dollars were lost.
McCAIN-PALIN 2008 and HILLARY-ANYBODY 2012
Yeah righto!
October 5, 2008 - 13:58 ET by Intellectual HonestyYou're right, Warner, that being a child doesn't excuse Obama on the charge of supporting Ayers' terrorist actions. But one would think that denouncing/repudiating those actions would excuse him from the charge of supporting Ayers' terrorist actions--which is the part of the sentence that you quoted but didn't bold.
Answer this Nick - Why, since Ayers has not repudiated his terrorist past, is the educational establishment from Chicago on up to a national level comfortable in employing him? The simple answer is that they DON'T think he was wrong for what he did.
Ayers is the poster child for the former radicals that were fighting the establishment back that then decided to force the mainstream educational systems to their view by marxist/Alinsky methods. Liberals can bitch all day about how the Patriot Act has eliminated a myriad of freedoms without any proof but in fact are the very ones, through affirmative action, speech codes, hate crime legislation etc. that has completely eradicated the very idea of innocence before proven guilty.
By the way Nick - Obama NEVER repudiated Ayers' former activities before five months ago. And he never repudiated with any specificity so his claims of being outraged have no basis in fact.
The Main Stream Media
October 5, 2008 - 14:07 ET by Kenny Bunkport"Alienating white voters since 2008"
A gun in your hand beats a cop on the phone.
Baraks education at Harvard
October 5, 2008 - 14:15 ET by VinncyGHey Barack! Oh great messiah, who is Khalid Al-Mansour. Exactly how did you receive your money to go to Harvard. It seems your despised grandparents couldn't afford it, and you didn't have the smarts to get grants and scholarships. So exactly how did you get the money Oh great one! Could it have been from Saudi Prince Alwaleed. Nah, that would give you ties to Muslims, can't be that, your pure as the driven snow according to the mainstream media.
Sure would like to know how you got that money.
Terrorists a Race?
October 5, 2008 - 14:23 ET by RHRobinsonMDSo Terrorists are now a Race? Who knew?
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.
Robert A. Heinlein
»→ Yes, a race
October 5, 2008 - 14:26 ET by Cool ArrowThey are the children of the Obamanites
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
Racist
October 5, 2008 - 14:31 ET by RHRobinsonMDO.K. then, I'm a racist.
Never insult anyone by accident.
Robert A. Heinlein
article claims BHO is a "Hawaii born Christian". . .NOT
October 5, 2008 - 14:26 ET by JayTeeIf you mama and your Daddy are Muslims, and take your buns to Indonesia for an Inslamic school, I would think you would be a Hawaii born Muslim ?
Especially if your Daddy is a multi wife practicing Muslim.
But the Real story here, is the AP is a mouth piece for BHO and the Democrats. McCain can't get this type of coverage.
Rasmussin: 59% of Americans want to replace ALL congressmen/women.
Vote AGAINST
October 5, 2008 - 14:35 ET by RHRobinsonMDI'm voting against my Congressman and he's actually a friend. And running unopposed.
No statement should be believed because it is made by an authority.
Robert A. Heinlein
RHR that's pretty hard core there, un opposed, but he will WIN
October 5, 2008 - 15:06 ET by JayTeeMaybe only by one vote, but all the Write ins will send a message.
Could Not Be Any Better
October 5, 2008 - 14:49 ET by Old VetThis is exactly the type of reporting we hope for to light a fire under those free thinking independents and Democratic Sheep. The racist card only energizes the black voting block and their sympathizers (probably less than 20% of voters). At some point is just pisses off the rest of us and we become something most of us are not proud of, a vote against "them" and a vot for "us". Regardless who wins, this presidential election will set back race relations 25 years in this country.
Racism my *ss
October 5, 2008 - 14:51 ET by geoksterScrew them. I’ve had it up to here with phony “racism” charges. The media has helped them push the atrocious notion that if you are white and even hesitant about Obama, you are racist - period. Obama already has 95% of the black vote anyway.
But the McCain compaign keeps dancing around Obama’s real vulnerability - his intense association with “community organizing”. Note how quickly the press jumped on that as “racist” after Palin’s first speech. Now apparently McCain won’t use that phrase anymore.
“Community Organizing” was pretty much invented by Saul Alinsky, an avowed communist rabble rouser in the 1960’s, with the stated purpose of bringing down this country from within. Push every grievance possible, by whatever means necessary. Lie, cheat, distort, manipulate, intimidate, threaten, play on the good will of the American people until you bankrupted them. (Gee, sounds like a certain democrat campaign.) He had disdain for mere “liberals” because they were wusses who wouldn’t be nearly aggressive enough.
He dedicated the first edition of his book, “Rules for Radicals” to LUCIFER (Satan) for crying out loud. And Obama used it as the textbook for his classes to train more good little radicals for ACORN.
Alinsky wasn’t very successful at getting the typical white worker to go for his communist BS. However, groups like the Black Panthers and the National Welfare Rights Organization adopted his tactics enthusiastically.
Tom Wolfe wrote a book about it in 1970 called “Radical Chic and Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers”, where Black Panther types would intimidate and threaten government bureaucrats until they got bushelbaskets of money.
From that humble beginning, ACORN and other “community organizing” groups were born, directly resulting in the Community Re-investment Act, eventually leading directly to the current meltdown in the financial markets over loans made to people who should never have had them. With a hefty assist from Mr. Obama himself, who was the attorney representing ACORN in the landmark case that led to the 1995 revisions to the CRA that expanded the role of Freddie and Fannie in buying riskier loans.
If criticizing communists and “community organizers” is perceived as racist, so be it. If we are not allowed to look at all the real causes of the current crisis, even if it casts a negative light on minorities, or communists, or even white lying radicals, too damn bad. If we don’t, it will make it as difficult to find real solutions as it would be to make our airports safe from Muslims terrorists by randomly strip-searching 6 year old Swedish girls, Catholic nuns, and 90 year olds in wheelchairs.
Oh, wait…
These are two extremely important articles detailed all of this, documented to the hilt. Please read them and send them to everyone you know, if it isn’t already too late.
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=303605575673142
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html
Color of Obama's Terrorism or Daniel's Racism
October 5, 2008 - 15:17 ET by Lame CherryDouglas K. Daniel is a propagandist and editor of the AP Washington Bureau
whose middle letter K stands for Obama Butt Kisser as today he came up
with the ludicrous attack that it is racist for McCain Palin to make
note that Barack Obama hangs around with terrorists.
Mr. Daniel never had a problem when his Black Arab Barack Obama (Barack Sr. is by
heritage more Arabian than Black) was terming people "white folks" as
being racist, for his terming rural white people as "gun owning and
Bible believing" and he had not one problem with Barack Obama in racism
slapping around the white Clinton's and using a Hispanic woman in Patty
Solace Doyle to slap Hillary around some more.
It is amazing from
Doogie Daniel to not see one racist attack from Barack Obama, but to be
the racist himself in claiming that only minorities are terrorists.
To educate Doug and his ilk as propaganda shills for the failing Obama
campaign, I ask what color are Muslim terrorists like Bosnian war
criminal Naser Oric who was showing off to the New York Times the
beheaded trophies of Serbians he cut off himself? He is white.
Doug what is the color is the President of Bosnia, Haris Silajdzic who with
Semsudin Mehmedovic with Irfan Ljevakovic who are at the head of the al
Qaeda pyramid system of international terrorism using mosques in Bosnia
to recruit terrorists? They are white.
What race are all the Kosovo Muslim terrorists? They are white.
What race are the Russian military forces who are beheading, raping, robbing and murdering Chechens? They are white.
What race are the Semite peoples of Saudi Arabia? Shem son of Noah was
white. Abraham who fathered Ishmael was white. We know this from Jewish
scholars who have noted the people of Iraq were fair skinned as they
are just like Spanish and Portugeuse peoples who are white.
Gee Doogie, if you check your facts, you will find Stanley Ann Dunham who
is the mother of more than half white Barack Obama was white too.
So what kind of racism are you trying to talk about here Doogie?
The color of William Ayers and his entire terror network who are supporting
Barack Obama are white. So Doogie don't try this scare the Black and
Jewish voter which is your racist intent and herding Hispanics in your
"brown skinned" comments which only reveal your utter racism in lumping
all people into color groups.
For the record, Ashkenaz Jews are
white due to the fact they are southwest Asian sons of Japheth, son of
Noah who fathered the Russians.
For the record, the Hispanic
heirachy which rules over much of Latin America, including the founding
families of California were white.
For the record, the majority of
Black people in the United States are 1/3rd to 3/4 white in their
background just like Barack Hussein Obama.
So it is you Mr. Doogie Daniel who is the racist in not even understanding the
terrorists who carried out 9 11 are of the ethnic class of white people
and it is you Mr. Doogie Daniel in your political rape writing which
shows absolute racism in if people are a darker shade of white than
you, that they must all be of another race.
Go right ahead Mr. Doogie Daniel in opening this can of racist worms crawling around in
your soul as you shill for the Barack Obama racists, because we can
take this right into Jeremiah Wright's Black Liberation which is racism
for blacks, created by South American white Marxists to create a
"change we can believe in" or better known as the Obama Revolution all
run out of central Europe, but money man George Soros, a white person,
with the same European financiers who tanked the derivatives market for
Barack Obama who are white and then we have Nancy Pelosi last week a
white woman shilling for Obama who committed economic terrorism by
ruining the bailout bill so Obama could have one more week to play this
economic terrorism issue.
Oh and by the way Doogie Daniel,
Barack Obama is 1/2 Shemite from Stanley Ann Dunham, a majority Arab
from his father Barack sr in being a Shemite and a minority Hamite, so
Barack Obama is classified white by his racial identity just like his
father was termed African on Barack Obama's bogus birth certificate in
being African and not Black.
Doogie your even bringing this garbage up shows what a racist you are in being a whore for Barack Obama. You are ignornant and racist like most of
your leftist ilk. Whenever you start loosing, you pull out the race
deck and start spewing such idiocy it only appeals to you.
The majority of terrorists in this world are communists who happen to be of
white heritage. That doesn't make white people bad, but it sure as
Truth makes your Doogie Marxist Daniel communism thee problem in racist
attacks on plundering the 3rd world, bigoted attacks in the 2nd world
plundering and anti Christian attacks in the first world.
What a wonderful stage act you are playing the Obama stooge, Doogie Daniel,
your one moment in the stage lights after whoring yourself to your
leftist mentors to get that job, and you end up playing the absolute
fool with everyone laughing at you.
Performance is over Doogie. You are dismissed.
Oh and tell cocktail racist David Letterman hello at your "all white" get togethers.
agtG
*HIC IACET ARTORIVS REX QVONDAM REXQVE FVTVRVS
Support Bill Ayers! (Academic Leftist petition)
October 5, 2008 - 15:22 ET by michael.098762001http://www.supportbi...
633 signatures so far. My fave is from the editor of, "The Essential Stalin, " H.Bruce Frranklin, a Doubleday Anchor mass market pb. from '72.
When to play the race card
October 5, 2008 - 16:02 ET by MexNobamaI have only played it once in my entire life....
Now, for this election.
I was raised to believe that my race, my Latino background, was not to be used as an excuse for any personal set backs on my part.
America has always been and I believe still is the land of opportunity. We have also sought to right our wrongs and eliminate injustice as our country matures.
So how have I used the race card?
To say: "Hey, I am Mexican and I think Obama sucks donkey balls as a potential president. I would assume vote for a dead cockroach as that pathetic loser, so don't just assume my vote because I am Latino."
I wouldn't even use the nickname MexNobama if Barry O and his team were not trying to hump my leg for my vote without even the smallest credibilty or accomplishments in terms of Latino issues.
These dung dwellers have demonstrated that they are willing to say anything in order to slander Sarah Palin. Why should this lastest spin be any surprise at all?
What's next? "AP has discovered photos of Sarah Palin having oral sex with Adolf Hitler."
Don't belive me? Well on this very site one of our members has already called Palin a Book Burning Nazi Bitch.
Why not go all the way?
All the left does when they pull this ridiculous stuff is weaken genuine desires to end bigotry when it does occur.
I have actually seen its effects first hand and I don't like it, but I choose to believe that vast majority of decent Middle Class Americans are not operating in a state of racism, but true good will.
That would BTW be the gun toting bible clutching ones....
Well put, Mex...
October 5, 2008 - 16:34 ET by AgentAmericanWhat Sarah Palin is masterfully doing is that she is attacking Obama's association with Bill Ayers in justifiable self-defense. The Rat Bastard media has been sliming her and her family on behalf of Obama and she's is launching her counterattack.
Of course the AP (al-Jazerra Press) pulls a "how dare she fight back" move.
And whites will be sick and tired of being labelled racists come the 4th of November.
Drill ANWAR
Sucks donkey balls?????
October 5, 2008 - 16:39 ET by misterbillToo funny, Mex. I loved it!!!!!
»→ Pelotas del burro
October 5, 2008 - 16:41 ET by Cool ArrowI believe that's what he said. "sucks donkey balls"
"John McCain has not talked about my Muslim Faith" - Barack Hussein Obama
I admit to being a huge South Park fan
October 5, 2008 - 18:44 ET by MexNobamaI owe Cartman big time for swiping his line.
Maybe I'll buy him a box of cheesy poofs.
BTW I just about died when I saw his Chicano Teacher bit:
"Two to not'ing ese....two to not'ing"
Seriously, thanks for the feedback.
I am always for the smallest, least obtrusive government possible. In the wake of the American people being forced to pay for a $700 billion crisis caused by the American Government (thank you Barney Frank) I would say that my concerns about government again growing too powerful and too greedy are well founded.
As for Palin VS the MSM: They fear her because she is a true conservative with popular appeal. They have good reason to fear her.
We are called South Park Conservatives.
October 5, 2008 - 19:14 ET by JWFhttp://www.amazon.com/South-Park-Conservatives-Against-Liberal/dp/0895260190
We can no longer be ignored. Welcome my friend!
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Dicimos "Cajones" en Espanol....
October 5, 2008 - 20:33 ET by MexNobama....no "pelotas".
Mex......I blurted out the above....
October 5, 2008 - 20:55 ET by BEGRUNTspanish phrase....and my wife, whose hispanic, said "WHAT"??? LMAO!!!
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Hmm how curious
October 5, 2008 - 23:47 ET by MexNobamaThere are various dialects in play.
My dad is a Norteno, and they are like the cowboys of Mexico.
Nevertheless if your wife is confused you could say:
"No me chinges mujer" but I assure you if she understands that one you will be sleeping in the dog house for a week.
What part of Mexico is your wife from?
BTW Some also use "Juevos", which of course Obama does not have, but Sarah Palin does.
(Now Michelle Obama does have juevos, Obama's in the clutch purse she borrowed from Oprah.)
Mex.....her family is originally from....
October 6, 2008 - 12:17 ET by BEGRUNTGuadalajara.....which explains her blues eyes and brown hair. To look at her you would never know. Spanish was her first language. All our children are bi-lingual as well. It really blows people away when our son, who is blond hair blue eyes, speaks flawless spanish. Me, I still speak "pidgeon" spanish, enough to get by. Her whole family by the way, are Republicans. Her family emigrated to the US, LEGALLY, in 1925. They all are US citizens.
"If a man does his best, what else is there"?
General George S. Patton Jr.
Scared to death
October 5, 2008 - 18:15 ET by FaridSince the days when Ronald Reagan shifted the United States to the right, I have been watching for a "perfect storm" that would once and for all lurch America back to the left. I fear that is about to occur in November.
The problem is that once the left takes total control, they will immediately change the rules and changed the laws so that the right will never again have any real hope of having any say in American political thought.
That the Democrats will take over the presidency and keep both houses isn't unheard of. Total control has happened many times over the years. What is unusual - terrifying really - is that this new generation of liberals believe that their way is the only way and will quickly rewrite every code, change every law so that America will be no different from Canada and the other Socialist countries. It will be against the law to quote from the Bible. Think that's crazy? Canadian ministers are constantly getting in trouble through their human rights tribunal - or whatever they call it - because quoting a verse that decries homosexuality is illegal under their anti-hate speech codes.
And that, my friends, would be just the tip of the iceberg.
Talk radio would normally attack a stupid law like that and embarass its writers, but the fairness doctrine will soon be the law of the land, silencing Rush and Sean and any loud minority opinion.
I guess I'm surprised we stayed sane as long as we did .....
Farid... How I wish you
October 5, 2008 - 18:22 ET by Clear thinkerFarid...
How I wish you were wrong, but I fear you are dead-on accurate.
Keep your powder dry folks!
Obama Must Prove He’s American Born
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
Racist
October 5, 2008 - 18:31 ET by TheAssessorAll these whack jobs talking that crap today are going to be responsible for setting us back to the pre-MLK days. Putting racists back in their box till they died off, was the result of a lot of people standing up for what was right, and dying for it. These whining losers probably don't even stand up to pee.
"I have a bracelet too" ..Barak Obama, Political Sociopath
Welll..
October 5, 2008 - 18:33 ET by TheAssessorWell.. maybe Michelle does..
"I have a bracelet too" ..Barak Obama, Political Sociopath
You're replying to yourself
October 5, 2008 - 18:36 ET by AFCloneI'll reply....what's wrong with peeing sitting down, especially if you're a girl? Ever try peeing standing up as a girl? Makes a mess. Basically, well, I won't continue, but you see my point. I also got yours. I grew up in John Wayne country, afterall.
replying to myself
October 5, 2008 - 18:52 ET by TheAssessorThis is how crazy this is making me. But look.. I'm *not* schizophrenic, and neither am I.
"I have a bracelet too" ..Barak Obama, Political Sociopath
Maybe that is why people flip-flop
October 5, 2008 - 19:10 ET by AFCloneThey are schizophrenic.
TA
October 5, 2008 - 19:15 ET by well99Can we have a poll on that.
Poll
October 5, 2008 - 19:43 ET by TheAssessorYes, poll complete..
both of them said I'm fine.
(Except for those pesky msm voices my microwave is beaming into my airplane hat)
"I have a bracelet too" ..Barak Obama, Political Sociopath
lmao
October 5, 2008 - 22:44 ET by well99Stay away from sharp objects during those times.Remember to call 1-888-IAM-NUTS.Then again you can go to www.wehavedeluxepaddedcells.com .
The Ayres Connection?
October 5, 2008 - 19:23 ET by pbthinkerIt seems to me I read where Bill Ayres got some sort of degree from Columbia University and was there about the same time as Obama. Does anyone know more about that?
Also, Tony Blankly had an editorial ripping the MSM for not following up on this, and yet the Washington Times hasn't done anything either. Why? Are they afraid of the consequences or is there no there, there.
Democrats: Stuck on Stupid since 2000.
pb... I don't think
October 5, 2008 - 19:34 ET by Clear thinkerpb...
I don't think that's correct. Obama may have been in a class of his but not a fellow student.
Here's the real kicker... Not to long after coming out of hiding, Ayers started preaching a type of anti-American philosophy of education. Then he got $50 million dollars for a grant he wrote. It was a 2 to 1 matching grant so he had to gather other sources. He got the matching funds and ended up with $150 million dollars in grant money. He then needed an executor of the grant. Guess who he chose??? Obama!
Now tell me they were not close... I dare anyone!
Obama Must Prove He’s American Born
Making Fun of AGW http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/
We Are All Outlaws In The Eyes Of (Liberal) America
October 5, 2008 - 20:59 ET by SquonkamaticFriday evening I found out that I was a racist, bigoted, homophobic religious extremist because
1) I am not voting for Obama,
2) I consider Bawney Fwank's romantic association with a Fannie Mae executive to be a downright criminal conflict of interest that should at least be investigated by an ethics committee, and
3) admitted that I find Sarah Palin to be something of a fox.
Imagine my surprise! And then of course the liberal I was having this exchange with said that "Sarah Palin and all her ilk should be lined up against a very long wall and shot" with little flecks of spit flying from her lips and her face contorted with an expression of rage, once again echoing the left's enthusiasm for hypothetical mass exterminations of anyone who doesn't toe the line of their beliefs, and their own intolerance for anybody who has the slightest bit of disagreement with them.
Be careful.
October 5, 2008 - 21:05 ET by JWFNone of those flecks landed on you hopefully.
Whatever eats the hole into the logic parts of their brains might be contagious.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Thats it!
October 5, 2008 - 21:12 ET by well99Off to the Gulag with you.Hmm no gulags so I guess it will have to be Butte,Montana.I hope BT doesnt see this.
w99... Well I did, I am
October 5, 2008 - 21:19 ET by bigtimerw99...
Well I did, I am laughing... and it is fine with me.
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT
October 5, 2008 - 22:47 ET by well99A friend told me Butte was the Siberia of the FBI.I prefer Missoula or Helena myself.It was pretty country.
LOL w99... You thought
October 5, 2008 - 23:24 ET by bigtimerLOL w99...
You thought Missoula was pretty...you really need to travel west from there my friend...
...Seriously!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
BT
October 5, 2008 - 23:42 ET by well99Like up towards Whitefish?More northwest and it was beautiful up there.It has been since the 70s except for one weekend I went up to Helena to check out Bradleys of the Montana NG in the late 90s.
w99.. . Then there is Big
October 6, 2008 - 00:01 ET by bigtimerw99.. .
Then there is Big Fork, first place I lived and worked after leaving Ca., largest fresh water lake in the W. US...
It is something to behold...
Whitefish area and westward...
You got it my friend..
Of course I'm prejudiced!
"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh
NEWS ONLY, racism? dare we say 'BLACK' !!! war on word2
October 5, 2008 - 23:14 ET by annTlike OBAMA, let me say: 'i reserve the right to..." say the following, any objections? i submit to YOU, smart peoples in every town of America. Of ourse Hillary Clinton would like to take you by the village, New York is becoming her cosy village. Ponder why dems were dismayed at Palin being folksy.
Media, media !!! Analyzing both sides now...BUSH acted easy to let ya go down the tube..poor McCAIN. Hey.. just things on tv and media. i watch it and i am fed with those, call me newsjkie? i'm a VOTER with Ggranted RIGHTs. (dare say Black, but skip GOD)
I face it: the mainstream media is BLACK, such as New York Times, the Washington Post, Newsweek, TimeCNN, MSNBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, PBS, LA TIMES...done America in BLACK. done.
Institutions matter, journalist names NO MORE. they are democrats generic. Read one, read the others. All the same soundbites, same line. Even the one tried to stand out saying he masturbated while watching a debate. Without republicans, dems cannot get their private parts on air and on shows.
Yo, WANT ANSWERS? here's an answer for the boys and girls, i say it with a BLACK heart. GO Obama GO. halloween is coming, do a BLACK white house. We all go to the BLACK HOUSE and noSE see. yikes.. it's white..it's white.. Michelle obama now wear white only, Obama flashing more white teeth commercials..heehee.. A dem said,, Americans will live like color-blind. still, about COLOR.
See the dems LIVE? t go naked, go porn. go elite. Dems are 'elites' (so dying to be clever and elites, like those Jewish movies and shows, like some Chinese influence nowadays, we know those ivy league students!!! ) ..fight on harder to say the simple things that pull that heart's strings, every one does it like a tour de force. Name another man who still chokes on a former wife's death 30 years ago? Not even humanly possible, that person would be dead and long gone from depression. Yes, the VP candidate story is 'big deal', like Barrack is 'big deal'.
it's the news, news bits that said who he is, LARGER THAN LIFE. I don't know Barrack, i don't know what Barrack will be doing. IT'S THE NEWS ! If turned out to be a timid toothless OBAMA, sue all of those media, help 'em go down the drains like Wall Street.
huh?
October 5, 2008 - 23:20 ET by JWFWhatever that was left me terribly confused.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
Ayers Obama Ties
October 5, 2008 - 22:11 ET by VinncyGCheck it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-45A6I-N5I&feature=iv&annotation_id=event_582657
Incredible
October 5, 2008 - 22:25 ET by TheAssessorAnother incredible video. Are the only AMERICANS left .. just here on NB? Where's the doggone outcry? Where'd ya go Joe? Where's the pillory Hillary? Oh nevermind, the socialists are in charge. Shhhhhh...
"I have a bracelet too" ..Barak Obama, Political Psychopath
very nice.
October 5, 2008 - 22:28 ET by JWFDon't let nicknick the dolty d##k see it. He has the hearty feely touchy love going for Ayers and Obama.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
More transference
October 5, 2008 - 23:00 ET by Indiana JoeWho else but a prejudiced bigot would assume that all "terrorists are envisioned as dark-skinned radical Muslims?" What about whatzizname, the "shoe-bomber" that gave us all the joy of walking unshod in airports? Richard Something? Wasn't he a (shudder) "white guy?"
Oh, I get it. Daniel doesn't feel that way, he just knows we feel that way. Uh-huh.
Gotcha.
"To doubt everything or to believe everything are two equally convenient solutions; both dispense with the necessity of reflection." - H. Poincaré