Back on September 10 in a visit to Chicago's Lincoln Park neighborhood, Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden seemed to hint that al Qaeda forced down a helicopter he was traveling in when he was visiting Afghanistan in February of 2008. He made the claim again on September 22 in a campaign stop at the National Guard Association. The truth, however, is not exactly what Biden may be trying to allege. Thus far, only ABC's Jake Tapper is exposing the ruse for what it is, a misleading tale pumped up to make his Afghanistan visit seem more menacing than it really was.
The Chicago Sun-Times reports that on September 10 Biden told a Chicago audience a harrowing tale about his helicopter ride.
"The superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan where my helicopter was forced down...John McCain wants to know where Bin Ladin and the gates of Hell are? I can tell him where. That's where Al Quaida is. That's where Bin Ladin is. It's not in the country of Iraq."
Wow. Forced down was it? Biden says this as if it were some attack that forced his helicopter down, doesn't he? However, immediately after that September 10 campaign stop, it came out pretty quickly that Biden's helicopter was not forced down by enemy weapons fire. No, it was a snow storm in the mountains that "forced" the aircraft down and then only because the pilot thought the better decision would be to err on the side of safety. He had generals and Senators in his craft, after all. You can imagine how nervous the pilot was in that case.
Now, let's face the truth here. Biden would not be using the words "forced down" without explaining that it was weather that forced him down unless he meant to convey that he was forced down in some extraordinary circumstances, as if he'd been fired upon. If he didn't mean to mislead the audience into imagining that weapons fire "forced" his craft down he would say that "when the weather forced down my helicopter." If he didn't mean to give his helicopter ride more gravity, the "forced down" part was meaningless to the greater point.
After all, Biden linked the war, the hunt for bin Laden, al Qaeda and his helicopter going down in one story as if they were all directly linked. But, in truth, the helicopter going down had absolutely nothing to do with al Qaeda, bin Laden, or the war. It was all because of a little snow and THAT could have happened right in Delaware.
Tapper was too nice to say it outright, but Biden was basically trying to mislead his audience into imagining that his helicopter was forced down by the enemy and that while in Afghanistan he was in mortal danger because of al Qaeda. All that is marginally true in a lawyer's fashion. But linked together as they were, these details present a misleading picture of a danger that Biden did not face.
Now, we have seen the media blast McCain several times for using his being shot down from the skies over Vietnam. We even heard Wesley Clark claim that getting shot down was no qualification for being president. The media have echoed Clark's jab in several ways subtle and direct. But, there is no denying that McCain really was forced down by enemies that wished to kill him and in a time of war.
Biden, on the other hand, was not in danger. He did not face the enemy in Afghanistan. Yet, he seems to be trying to make it look like he was in mortal danger.
So, the big question here is, if the media is ready to scoff at McCain's very real incident of facing enemy fire, is that same media ready to bash Biden for pretending to face such a harrowing experience when he didn't?
What if a Republican was going about pretending his aircraft was "forced down" as if by the enemy in enemy territory? Would the media simply turn the other way at such a misleading claim on the campaign trail?
And lastly, we get a hint in this tale of the disdain... and if not disdain, then at least the discounting of the man... that others in the Senate feel for Joe Biden. Look at how John Kerry told the tale of the helicopter going down:
"The weather closed in on us," the Associated Press quoted Kerry as saying. "It went pretty blind, pretty fast and we were around some pretty dangerous ridges. So the pilot exercised his judgment that we were better off putting down there, and we all agreed."
"We were going to send Biden out to fight the Taliban with snowballs, but we didn't have to do it." he said. "Other than getting a little cold, it was fine."
Now, on that helicopter was Senator Chuck Hagel (R- NE), Kerry (D- MA), Biden (D-CT), and a three star general. Yet, Kerry made a joke about Biden snowball fighting with the Taliban. Biden is the subject of ridicule. Does this just not show how little Kerry thinks of Biden? It has been reported that Biden is generally thought of as a fool and blowhard in the Senate, and this offhanded treatment by someone like Kerry really says a lot about Biden's standing among other Senators. If Biden was well respected, Kerry would never have made Biden the butt of jokes.
Great choice, there, Barack.
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Good thing Hillary wasn't
September 22, 2008 - 19:12 ET by illinois conservativeGood thing Hillary wasn't there, they would have had to dodge snowball snipers too.
The superhighway of terror
September 22, 2008 - 19:14 ET by dboThe superhighway of terror between Pakistan and Afghanistan where my helicopter was forced down
You think that's bad Joe. Did you hear what happened to Hillary at the airport in Bosnia...?
Snipper Fire....Help Me Hillary!
September 22, 2008 - 19:17 ET by BlondeGaffe attack! LOL.
It has been reported that Biden is generally thought of as a fool and blowhard in the Senate, and this offhanded treatment by someone like Kerry really says a lot about Biden's standing among other Senators.
Thanks for that one...it made my day!
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
WHat is it with these
September 22, 2008 - 21:03 ET by BDWHat is it with these liberals? Do they all need some sort of Walter Mitty like existance because their political positions inherently disallow bravery?
I have never flown on the space shuttle and feel no need to relate space relatred anecdotes to crowds while near either Cape Kennedy, Huntsville Space Center, nor Houston. But one gets the impression these democrats would find some "There I was..." story.
I would watch
September 22, 2008 - 19:18 ET by 30yrdem-not any moreI would watch the Hillary bashing comments on this, many of her supporters are voting McCain/Palin and right now do you want to offend them? I know I am one of them.
On another note Biden lied when he said a drunk driver killed his wife. The guy is dead now and his family is upset that Biden is lying about it...no MSM on that?
Sorry 30yrdem
September 22, 2008 - 19:21 ET by BlondeHillary said it....she exagerrated about the "snipper fire"....she has to live with it.
If that offends you, vote for the One.
We like FACTS. If you don't, oh well.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
You don't think
September 22, 2008 - 19:28 ET by 30yrdem-not any moreYou don't think I know that?
Does the media twist words on Palin and McCain...How about the Bridge to Nowhere?...How about I didn't ask her to ban books?
Yes I have read that she did stop the bridge because the people in the state didn't want to pay, but it was killed before that...I know when she asked about the books it was more of a "Would you ban books?" not will you ban books...I know why she ask.
I am just saying I know women and you don't want to Bash Hillary ...McCain needs the votes, right? No I won't vote for Obama but I might just sit it out if I feel my vote is not needed for McCain.
Hillary deserves the bash for that LIE
September 22, 2008 - 19:32 ET by BlondeAnd quite frankly, I don't care about anyone else's sensibilities in that regard, other than mine.
I find HRC offensive in the max. She lied. Hugely. The media had nothing to do with that LIE (other than kind of go along and not call her out on it, for quite a while).
So, if you choose, focus on the media. Whatever.
You may vote however you'd like, it's up to you.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I can see
September 22, 2008 - 19:41 ET by 30yrdem-not any moreI can see you don't want Hillary supporters to vote for McCain, fine. I will remove the signs from my yard and help spread the lies about him. I have many friend on-line who I have seen my way of things and decided that McCain/Palin are the way to go...I won't have to much trouble changing thier minds...I will let them know that the republicans really aren't welcoming us into the fold. Fooled yet again, maybe independent is the way to go.
Oh and yes there was no media bias against Hillary...yes I know...that is all saved for republicans.
I'm not going to pander to you.
September 22, 2008 - 19:50 ET by BlondeYou're a Hillary backer? Great.
You can't admit she lied about "snipper fire"? Great.
If your beliefs are so shallow that a blog will change your vote, because another woman insulted you over Hillary's truthfulness (lack thereof, actually), fine.
As for your media bias about Hillary's campaign, I absolutely agree there was. I am capable of evaluating the FACTS, without prejudice.
You're a big girl, do as you see fit. Whatever.
But don't expect a pander because you are a "Hillary voter".
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
lol Blonde
September 22, 2008 - 20:13 ET by shawn228Interesting how this Hillary supporter does not acknowledge about how Clinton lied about the sniper fire and just decides to warn you about pissing her off. Oooh that just scares the bejesus out of Republicans right?
I wonder if it is also a myth Clinton placed people in the audience to ask selective questions.
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Yes & No, Shawn
September 22, 2008 - 20:15 ET by BlondeYou can see how scared I am, right? (of an Obama plant, LOL).
And no...it's no myth. Hillary planted questioners....sick, huh?
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I know what she said
September 22, 2008 - 20:14 ET by 30yrdem-not any moreI told you I knew what she said in the first comment.I have no idea why she kept saying it...she lied when she kept repeating it, maybe there was danger but she knew when she landed there was not.
We have been insulted in comments for months now by members of the democratic party...now repubs are going to insult us and Hillary why would we come over and vote McCain?
Do you have any idea how many people have left the dem party over the lying cheating dems and media? Some go indy and some go rep. (because they have no choice in their state.) She won my state and the SD's went to Obama, so many people left the dem party in my state that the dems no longer have 50% of the registered voters. First time in state history. Yes Obama is bringing change alright.
McCain always was our number two, we never would vote for a one term senator.
We are not stupid. We are tired of seeing Hillary being bashed, (she is not in the race so move on) now we have to fight for Palin...it has been a long election and sometimes you feel if you see one more comment bashing Clinton or Palin, well you just want to say the hell with it all and vote Barr.
Get over it 30yr dem
September 22, 2008 - 20:23 ET by shawn228"it has been a long election and sometimes you feel if you see one more
comment bashing Clinton or Palin, well you just want to say the hell
with it all and vote Barr."
Gee, your voting out of spite and not for the good of the country. I thought Republicans were angry people...lol
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I am a republican
September 22, 2008 - 21:14 ET by 30yrdem-not any moreI am a republican, I have always thought McCain was best for our country.
You all don't really read you just jump.
I got hung up on the phone sorry.
Altering history?
September 22, 2008 - 21:25 ET by CobraManAre you altering history now? You said previously that "McCain always was our number two," and now you claim "I have always thought McCain was best for our country." Well, which one is it? Is McCain your first choice or your second?
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Between Obama and McCain
September 22, 2008 - 21:57 ET by 30yrdem-not any moreAnd you don't read all the comments here...I voted dem in primary , I was a dem, can't vote anyother way, the way the media played them up everyone else dropped out (Thank God)
Would I vote for Clinton Now? No
look for the reason it is here in comments.
I DID read the comments
September 22, 2008 - 22:10 ET by CobraManI DID read the comments! Don't try to hide the fact that you made two DIFFERENT statements in regards to your support of McCain. First you said that "McCain always was our number two," then you said that "I have always thought McCain was best for our country." If Hillary was your first choice, and your last statement tells me that she was, then you must have LIED about believing McCain was "best for our country."
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
No problem 30yrdem
September 22, 2008 - 21:57 ET by shawn228I did not jump. Let us rewind and talk about what you said ok? You said you were a Hillary fan, sick of the bashing. After Blonde pointed out a fact about Clinton, you threatened to not vote for McCain and tell your friends as well, because of that comment.
Now you are saying you are Republican after threatening to vote for Bob Barr. I assumed you were going to vote out of spite, and I am jumping on you? Lol. Very interesting.
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That is your perogative, 30yrdem
September 22, 2008 - 20:32 ET by BlondeHowever, Hillary is the one who lied about Bosnia.
Can you explain to me how pointing out that lie was an insult to you? By me, I mean?
I perfectly understand your frustration with the media (ever watch MSNBC?) and the in-the-tank members of the dem party for Obama. But you are here, on a site that is dedicated to fighting media bias. If that's your complaint, BRING IT ON!
I live in Florida. Obviously, I didn't vote for Hillary in the primary, but if I had....I'd be furious. The dems changing the rules half way through was insane.
As you said, Hillary's no longer in the race, time to move on. But because she's no longer in it, doesn't mean she gets a pass for her former bad behaviour. Trust me, we get on McCain here for his past stupidity as well (his stance on immigration, for one).
As for Governor Palin, we conservatives are just thrilled to have a great example of our values in this race. She talks the talk, walks the walk, and is successful because she believes in the good in people, and in the potential of this great country in which we live. We don't need a Presidential nanny.
So, finally....vote your conscience. It's your vote, it's precious.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
If you all have to
September 22, 2008 - 21:43 ET by 30yrdem-not any moreIf it makes you all feel better to go after Clinton go ahead and do it. I don't care. I said she lied but you all don't read. I wanted to let you all know her supportes have started coming here to get information. They never really did before.
I usually am at sites that can't get over Hillary being bashed in the media. And yes they need to move on but don't...They are getting ready for 2012...I just thought you all wanted her supporters. If you jump them as you have done me don't count on the votes.It was comments like this from democrats that made them leave the democrat party.
I left the dem party when Pfleger went on his second rant at the end of May. I don't think I could vote for Clinton now or in 2012...she lied and didn't take on the party. If she couldn't do that she couldn't be president in my opinion.
As for Palin, I think she is great and I am what is called a rapid responder, (in my own way) out here trying to get the truth out. I have read the book Sarah and it is great and I think she has a lot to offer Americans.
I came here to get some information on Biden to get it out to the media. Will it do any good? I doubt it but you never know... I keep trying...
And what is up with Fox news still saying she banned books and used her personal e-mail for her work? I heard it on there two times today.
You all have fun going after someone who is not in the race, silly to me but go on and do it...I wonder what it would be like to go after Mitt, or Mike now...I never did but I guess I could give it a try...why? I don't know, because they aren't running I guess.
Good Grief, Lady!
September 22, 2008 - 21:53 ET by BlondeGet a grip. I heard you the first time, but didn't excuse your continued griping moan about HRC.
HRC is a bad bump in my rear view mirror. But if you think for one minute I will excuse her bad behaviour, to placate anyone, think again!
You got jumped on for your whining. Look at your own behaviour, then deal with it. Defend HRC all you'd like, you'll get smacked down.
Again, if your gripe is Media Bias....well, you've found the right site.
As I've said numerous times to you (which you also fail to acknowledge)....vote your conscience. It's your vote.
If you want to support John McCain, please do. If you don't, don't.
Just know one thing. If you come here, be prepared to defend your positions, and don't whine. We're happy to discuss things reasonably. Once. Maybe twice. Okay, nuff said.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Who's "going after" Clinton?
September 22, 2008 - 21:59 ET by CobraMan"If it makes you all feel better to go after Clinton go ahead and do it."
Who's "going after" Clinton? The only time she was even mentioned was in reference to her "sniper in Bosnia" story, a false story that is eerily similar to Biden's false story of being forced down because of Bush‘s war policies. It makes perfect sense to reiterate Hillary's false statements in regards to similar statements made by another member of her party.
Like I said before you seem to be obsessed over Hillary. Hillary didn't get the nomination and she didn't get the VP slot. I suggest that you need to get over it.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Hillary who??? Sarah
September 22, 2008 - 22:06 ET by Clear thinkerHillary who???
Sarah Draws 60,000 video of rally in Florida.
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Just who do you support?
September 22, 2008 - 22:20 ET by CobraManFor someone who wants us to believe that you're NOW a McCain/Palin supporter ("I don't think I could vote for Clinton now or in 2012"), you seem to be defending Hillary quite a lot here. Are you SURE that you no longer support Hillary?
And please don’t tell me that you are worried about losing Hillary supporters who might vote McCain because we keep “jumping on” Hillary. Her supporters have heard republicans “bash” Hillary most of her political life, so that excuse isn’t going to work.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
You seem obsessed with Hillary
September 22, 2008 - 20:59 ET by CobraMan"We are tired of seeing Hillary being bashed"
What's this "we" crap, you got a mouse in your pocket? I'm sure that you don't speak for the Hillary supporters, you only speak for yourself.
You seem obsessed with Hillary. You even find "bashing" where none occurred (this thread is about Biden, not Hillary), unless, of course, it's considered "bashing" to remind people about the falsehoods that Hillary was spreading during her campaign.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
An idea
September 23, 2008 - 00:47 ET by MazziWhy don't you write in Hillary's name?
This is not a popularity contest to most of us. We are interested in the truth, and make our decisions based on that.
The truth is that Hillary lied, even after she was discredited, and that says alot about her.
The truth is that Biden lied about his wife's death, and fabricated a mental image of danger in the line of duty for his country, and that says alot about him.
If Obama lied about.. oh Jheeze.. where do I start?...
That is totally different from "spin" which all politicians do to some degree. None of us like the spin, but it's usually harmless enough.
Palin may have spun the bridge.. Hillary spun about her qualifications... no big deal because they are BASED on truth, just padded a bit to make each look a little better. Like fluffing a resume. But out and out lies? That is unacceptable.
MSM is the big loser here. They think we are too stupid to figure it out. And, they think it's a popularity contest that they can control. Either way, they are 100% wrong.
"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." ~ Barrack Hussein Obama ~
"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." ~ Sen. Joe Biden
Hillary is very offensive
September 22, 2008 - 19:50 ET by cocodrieI figure I know which way her preferences go by all the manly "women she had Slick Willy appoint to his cabinet. Her handlers did a good job though in making her look less "Butch" after a while.
Actually
September 22, 2008 - 19:33 ET by Warner Todd HustonActually, the media DID do a bang up job making Hillary look foolish with the "sniper" comment. In comparison to this Biden situation, there is a great difference in treatment.
Hillary properly paid for her offhanded, misleading comment. Biden is being allowed to slide by.
So, bringing up the Hillary comment here seems to me not to be apropos.
Tomorrow's another day, WTH
September 22, 2008 - 19:54 ET by BlondeThis is the first I'd heard of Joe's little exagerration (funny, his own words, for once!).
Give it a day or two....we shall see.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Already been since the 10th
September 22, 2008 - 20:29 ET by Warner Todd HustonIt's already been since the 10th and no media outrage. He's done it twice now and no media outrage. If he'd have been a Republican, he'd have been mauled by the Old Media on the double!
Hillary's not running
September 22, 2008 - 20:28 ET by CobraMan"I am just saying I know women and you don't want to Bash Hillary"
I "know" women too, I'm married to one. Hillary's not running, and Obama already "bashed" her for passing her up as his VP. he women who already support Hillary and NOT going to vote for Obama simple because people bring up her false "sniper in Bosnia" story, and woman who would have felt that way would ALREADY vote for Obama.
It seems to me that you just don't want Hillary to be associated with false war stories. Well, it's a little too late for that sentiment. The truth of her false story has been known for months.
"McCain needs the votes, right?"
I would say that Obama needs those vote far more than McCain, and we already know Obama isn't going to get them. You want to sit this out because of some perceived slight to Hillary? Great, go ahead as that is one vote for Obama that won't be cast.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
Sometimes I get sad.
September 22, 2008 - 19:20 ET by JWFMr. Huston completely missed the mark, came back around, ran over it, then sped away.
It was not that he was "forced" down. It is what happened on the ground.
He saw Bin Ladin behind a rock. He pointed and everything. But with the wind howling and the snow blowing, no one else believed him.
THAT is how he knows where Bin Ladin is.
Now c'mon people. We
September 22, 2008 - 19:24 ET by MidAmericaNow c'mon people. We need to look at Joes story the way they teach some kids nowadays. We don't want to discourage Joes ability to learn. If he 'believes' his copter was shot at then we need to be supportive. And when he finally realizes that indeed he wasn't under fire then we can all gather around and congratulate him on his breakthrough and we can be thankful we didn't injure his self-esteem by telling him he was 'wrong'. (and the best part....group hug!!)
OK MA
September 22, 2008 - 19:32 ET by cocodrieI'll be supportive - thank God it wasn't the U.S. Marines doing the sniping, Plugs would have been plugged.
You sure
September 22, 2008 - 19:25 ET by 10ksnookerSomeone didn't throw a snowball while O-Biden was under his seat?
Al Qaeda made it snow. The
September 22, 2008 - 19:56 ET by GregEAl Qaeda made it snow. The snow wasn't regular snow - no it was laced with chemicals.
And den, uh, den we saw da big bad men on de ground, wunning awound yelling. It was scawy.
Biden's a bigger liar than Hillary!
September 22, 2008 - 20:41 ET by CobraManBiden's a bigger liar than Hillary. The military would never let Senators into a dangerous situation in Afganistan where they could possibly come under enemy fire, or any other place that would put the lives of those senators in danger.
Biden likes to pretend that he was in danger of coming under fire by Al Quaida. Well, Biden, I know that you were NEVER in danger! You want to face real danger? Then pick up a gun and join our troops on the ground. Your "fly over" tour was no more dangerous in Afghanistan than they are in America.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
»→ Biden learns nothing
September 22, 2008 - 20:45 ET by Cool ArrowIn other words, a la Hillary Clinton, The United States Military is incapable of clearing a safe path for a Senator?
So here's Biden making a joke of our combat forces just so he can say he faced danger?
"Don't taze me bro" - Joe Biden
If you all
September 22, 2008 - 22:03 ET by 30yrdem-not any moreIf you all don't want my help getting the truth out on Palin I will stop.
No problem...you all can do it just fine. I just thought my contacts that I had made during this election would come in handy to use now in the GE to help McCain/Palin...been working so far..
I am tired of fighting for women against women.
Sigh
September 22, 2008 - 22:08 ET by shawn228Who said they did not want your help?. People are calling you out on your words and you are wanting to take your ball and go home.
We are here to talk about issues, not about appeasing someone because they have clout with voters.
Real life video games are cool
shawn
September 22, 2008 - 22:10 ET by BlondeAre you going to vote for McCain?
Truth time.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Blonde
September 22, 2008 - 22:15 ET by shawn228I will say what I have said for a while. I am going to wait until after the debates to make my decision. It is 50/50 for me right now, but unlike others, I am not going to use my vote as leverage for someone not to insult a candidate I like.
Real life video games are cool
Good for you, s.
September 22, 2008 - 22:17 ET by BlondeDavid Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
shawn
September 22, 2008 - 22:32 ET by MrShyAnd after McCain and Palin sweep the floor with Obama and Biden in the debates (or possibly Shrills, not Biden, by the second one) your decision willll...... be??
NOW PLAYING:
Governor Palin Get Your Gun
shy
September 22, 2008 - 22:35 ET by shawn228It could be vice versa Shy. Don't count your chickens just yet , this election is far from over.
I was convinced Obama would win, but after picking Palin, i'm no so sure. This bailout thing could have negative consequences for the GOP though. It happenned on your heros watch as well :-)
Real life video games are cool
shawn
September 22, 2008 - 23:07 ET by MrShyYes, last week's economic/Wall Street crisis did move Obama back into the lead in most polls...
Obama & Co. will have to continue hoping for bad economic news to have a real shot here. I'm sure they all ask each other at 4:00 pm each day, "did the Dow tank? did the Dow tank?"
Without that, or some other major news that reflects poorly on my "hero", the Democrats don't stand a chance.
When a sorry party has no platform and lacks any concrete values or ideas, all that remains for them are hopes of more suffering by it's own people under the watch of the opposing party's current administration.
NOW PLAYING:
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Shawn
September 22, 2008 - 22:38 ET by well99Yah right.I know how a neocon like you will vote.Just Kidding.Dont send Super Mario after me.
Lol Well
September 23, 2008 - 01:08 ET by shawn228You computer geek :-) As long as you don't send Leisure Suit Larry after me
Real life video games are cool
Shawn
September 23, 2008 - 01:15 ET by well99lol no problem but watch out for The Witcher..)
The Witcher
September 23, 2008 - 01:35 ET by Cool ArrowI guess Leather Goddesses of Phobos is way too far back. 1989.
"Don't taze me bro" - Joe Biden
CA
September 23, 2008 - 03:03 ET by well99Shoot that is way back.Never heard of it till now.The first game I put on a comp was called Warcraft.That was the 90s.
Go home, we don't need to pander
September 22, 2008 - 22:42 ET by CobraManIf your support is dependent upon us PANDERING to Hillary and her supporters, well you've come to the wrong place. Most of the members here don't PANDER to anyone, for any reason. So, go home and tear up all your yard signs. Tell all your "contacts" not to vote for McCain. It won't make any difference. Your threats are empty here.
Obama: My job is above my pay grade
By all means, please continue
September 22, 2008 - 22:51 ET by MichelleC...helping McCain/Palin if you feel they are the best choice. Sometimes in a blog things get misconstrued or taken the wrong way. No biggie. From what I read, people were just showing the comparison between Hillary's sniper story and now Biden's helicopter story. It's a fair comparison and should be discussed because of the media treatment of the two stories (that is what we discuss here). The media are letting Joe's false story slide whereas Hillary's sniper story was all over the place (because it made her look bad). Of course, we know why this is happening - because the media desparately want Obama to win and don't care what they have to do to help him.
Since Hillary was attacked so much I can understand her supporters being a little trigger-happy in viewing statements as attacks. I will admit to being sensitive to things said about Sarah. However, I think we can all agree that Obama is dangerous and we should keep our eyes on that ball. Off my soapbox now.
Republicans believe every day is the 4th of July. Democrats believe every day is April 15th ~ Ronald Reagan
welcome friend
September 23, 2008 - 01:16 ET by JWFI think we can all agree that Obama is dangerous
The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Sincerely,
a Veteran of a 1000 psychic wars.
It's all true -- CBS is
September 23, 2008 - 04:48 ET by Jack BauerIt's all true -- CBS is producing the heroic mini-series on Biden's Jolly Big Adventure in Afghanistan. They hope to get it out before Nov 4. Look out in the TV listings for