So, why did the Old Media seem to miss the John Edwards Love Affair story? Well, maybe it was because the Old Media hadn't deigned to decide for us that it was "news" until after the New Media had chewed up and spit out the story for days and days? Apparently, that is what David Carr of The New York Times thinks, anyway. In an interview with CNN he alludes to the fact that he is used to the Old Media deciding when something is officially "news" and that maybe he and his contemporary journalists have lost that level of control they were used to enjoying. This fall from grace is being seen most readily in the Edwards story that the New Media had digested for a week before the Old Media got to it
CNN's Election Center Blog posted the Carr interview on August 10 with the headline "Edwards affair: Was media part of a 'conspiracy of silence'?" This CNN posting purports to explore why the Old Media seemed absent from the story for so long?
The CNN piece cites many factors from the fact that the Old Media has a disdain for National Enquirer stories to a claim that the Old Media is reticent to exploit sex stories. The former is a sensible precaution and the later an outright laugher. After all, the Old Media had no problem whatsoever in exploiting the rumors of George H.W. Bush's affair, Newt Gingrich's affair, Newt's successor to be Bob Livingston’s affair, the John McCain affair story, Larry Craig's restroom stall story, or Mark Foley's Page Scandal... but then again, THOSE are Republican sex scandals. The same delicacy the Old Media handles sex stories with as claimed by CNN does not exist for those sorts of stories.
There was one section of this CNN piece that was telling about John Edwards' character. The story recounts how the National Enquirer brought up the Edwards love child story last October and that, since the Enquirer had some incorrect assertions, Edwards used those inaccuracies to claim, "The story is false, it's completely untrue, it's ridiculous."
Edwards on Friday said he used the fact that the Enquirer story "contained many falsities" to deny it. "But being 99 percent honest is no longer enough," he said in a statement.
Of course, even in October, Edwards knew that the story was basically true even if the Enquirer got some of their facts wrong.
But wait a minute. Let's follow Edwards' logic here. So if a witness says he saw you rob a store and it was true. If he said you killed the clerk and that was true. If he said you had stolen a car to make your get away and that was true. But he said you had on a red shirt when in fact you had on a blue shirt then if you were to categorically deny the story you'd be in the right because you were "99 percent honest"? There's some nice John Edwards logic, eh?
Another funny part of this piece is where ABC correspondent Kate Snow was claiming that they "broke the story" officially when they got the John Edwards admission on TV.
"Until he called -- and it's on the record that he called us on Friday and said, 'I want to talk.' You know, that's what broke the story. He was willing to admit that he had been lying," Snow said.
What amusing arrogance. Everyone else in the world already knew the truth. But, because Edwards decided to tell ABC, why it was that interview that "broke the story."
The CNN posting goes on to give all sorts of Old Media excuses for why they waited so long to cover the story but they saved the most interesting one for last. It was a few quotes from New York Times columnist David Carr that is of special interest.
"I was taught when I was a young reporter that it's news when we say it is. I think that's still true -- it's news when 'we' say it is. It's just who 'we' is has changed," Carr said.
"Members of the public, people with modems, people with cell phones are now producers, editors. They can push and push and push on a story until it ends up being acknowledged by everyone."
Notice the arrogant assumption that only they have the official standing to let us know what the news is? That is where the Old Media comes from, for sure. They think they are the arbiters of what we, the great unwashed, should be allowed to know.
But, it is interesting that he is beginning to get the notion that the exalted place the Old Media used to hold up there on Mount Olympus is beginning to change. The lowly "members of the public" are beginning to change the Old Media's role and challenge their claims as the oracles of the news. Notice, by the way, that Carr refused to use the vulgar term "bloggers" preferring to say "members of the public, people with modems, people with cell phones" in place of the term "blogger."
Still, it is an interesting series of quotes on the Old Media and its changing role all coming sharply into focus with this major failure to report a story that everyone already knew -- everyone but the Old Media, of course.
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Still lying
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 04:36 ET by Cool ArrowEdwards waxes maudlin with that "99% honest" line.
He's a lawyer and a fetus clairvoyant who can find 99% dishonesty in the NE's story when he's already copped to at least 50% of the allegations.
With statistics like that, forget Attorney General, sign him up for director of HUD.
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Cool Arrow, Hell hath no fury...
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 12:58 ET by goldenthroatCool Arrow,
Now look at what Ms. Hunter has done - I'll bet the Breck Girl never anticipated this one:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,401324,00.html
This woman is going for the jugular! What's next? Movie deals?
At this point, the only way to describe Pretty Boy is what Bugs Bunny once said: "What a maroon!"
"I think we're all bozos on this bus!" - Firesign Theatre
Look for This
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 05:37 ET by TexndocThere were three people in the Beverly Hilton hotel that night, and a baby. John Edwards, girlfriend Rielle Hunter, and a mutual friend forgot-his-name.
The LA Times did a piece on Rielle Sunday. Unbalanced, slightly psycho, flake. The NY Times did a piece on forgot-his-name Sunday. Unbalanced, slightly psycho, flake.
The "John Edwards Road to Public Rehabilitation Tour" has begun. That poor child*!
*John Edwards, not the baby.
Tex, you're so right.
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 11:34 ET by marpelTex, you're so right. Edwards isn't finished until the fat lady sings. I heard a few pundits on TV this weekend saying that this is not the end of Edwards' political career...wishful thinking, people. I also heard many using the excuse, "he's not a public official anymore, therefore, it's not news". What a bunch of creeps...
Infuriating, but in a way
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 05:35 ET by motherbeltInfuriating, but in a way he's right.
The internet can publicize a story that the old media won't cover, but because of the sheer numbers and independence of bloggers, can't decide to bury a story.
Carr is correct: who "we" are has changed. And that's what they can't stand, because it's out of "their" control.
The networks and newspapers seem to have decided en masse that there was no story.
But they don't think alike, do they?
Erased from history
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 08:45 ET by ThisnThatMB, I looked at the front page of NYT.com this morning (9:30am ET) -- not a single word on Edwards. As far as the NYT is concerned, it's a non-story.
I would have thought it would be a story, at least, that Edwards has not only been left off the DNC convention roster -- but he won't even be in Denver during the convention. How could that not be a story???
It's like the Soviet Union or China -- when a person falls out of grace, there is no story -- he simply disappears. No more pictures; no history; nothing. Edwards will be erased from memory, from now to forever.
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NYT - "All the News...
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 05:48 ET by on-the-rockswe see fit to print."
Yeah, we get it.
We do need to find some journalists without axes to grind.
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 05:59 ET by ZachJonesIsHomeAmerica
came together for a brief time after 9/11.
What a good feeling that was during such a tragic time. I think most of America
remains regretful that that feeling did not last. So what happened? Why didn’t it last? Well - it seems to me…. I
hope you will consider Cult Obama and The Media vs. Center Left, Center, Center
Right, and Right “Thinking” America. This is found at:
http://zachjonesishome.wordpress.com/2008/08/08/obama-media-vs-thinking-america/
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...UMM
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 06:12 ET by Tyler DurbinNewsflash, David Carr: It’s news if Matt Drudge say’s it is.
"Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience."
Posolutely Tyler
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 06:21 ET by Cool ArrowDrudge is my daily hookup.
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the Drudge Factor
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 08:40 ET by mom_roxTD, so true. As I noted on a separate post, I found this site based on a Drudge link.
I also did a double-take when Kate Snow mentioned that ABC "broke the story". Too bad the split screen with the National Enquirer editor had been removed because I would have loved to have seen his reaction to her statement.
A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944
I saw part of Reliable
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 11:30 ET by marpelI saw part of Reliable Sources on Sunday and noticed Kurtz said that ABC broke the story. I thought that was a hideous, idiotic statement....but I would have loved to see the guy from the Enquirer's face too.
This from the CNN
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 06:47 ET by MidAmericaThis from the CNN piece:
Kurtz said news organizations were clinging to a very important standard: Don't run allegations that you can't prove.
Can he say that with a straight face?
You know they would never run a story with the only sources credited being 'anonymous' or 'confidential' or one of my favorites 'some say'.
Don't run allegations that
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 06:54 ET by motherbeltDon't run allegations that you can't prove.
Right. That's why the NYT ran a story about an unfounded rumor of a suspicion of a possible "improper relationship" involving John McCain from years ago.
But MB...
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 06:56 ET by MrShy"some said".... I mean, that was sufficient.
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
Not to mention
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 06:57 ET by Cool Arrow"Those who would say"
"It's been said"
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Oh and...
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 07:07 ET by Warner Todd HustonOh, and don't forget that old stand by "Experts say," and "our unnamed source says."
My favorite
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 07:09 ET by Cool Arrow"What do you say to those who claim?"
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oops!
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 14:12 ET by Tyler DurbinI’m so embarrassed by the bad grammar. I had an early morning brain freeze.
"Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience."
good ones Cool
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 07:14 ET by MrShyAnd may I add a couple more nuanced ones:
"To many Americans..."
"But if you ask ( Mr./Mrs. Downtrodden Here )..."
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For REAL Change
Another tired cliche
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 07:20 ET by Cool Arrow"As I travel around this country"
"At the end of the day. . . "
OK, I'm getting off topic.
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Haha...
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 07:29 ET by MrShyYes, good ones :) And then the top-prize:
"Although what I'm about to report does not reflect the reality of the situation I'm reporting whatsoever, here goes, because we have an agenda....."
I love when they use that one.
:p
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And CBS
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 06:56 ET by Cool ArrowAnd CBS tried to hijack the election with Dan Rather leading the charge.
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Oh, that's so rich
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 09:25 ET by JohnMcGrewHow long did they try to beat that completely baseless McCain non-affair drum? The allegations were so non-existant that even the tabloids yawned.
The customer is always wrong
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 07:11 ET by Iowa BoyOnly the MSM lives by that business model even while their circulation continues to plummet, their subscriptions tank and their stock prices avalanche. Pretty soon, they'll ignore their customers right into bankrupcy court.
"Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain." Official Motto of the State of Iowa
At this point
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 07:15 ET by Cool ArrowAt this point, only investors with lots of money and a specific agenda would throw money into NYT stock.
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It's very simple...
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 08:36 ET by c5thenThe DNC didn't give them permission to run the story.
The New York Times, Public Relations arm of the DNC.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
the next widely repeated msm statement,
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 09:05 ET by larry on LIjohn edwards was never really in contention for the v.p. spot.
David Carr wrote the first
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 09:45 ET by ConservativeRexDavid Carr wrote the first truthful statement to come out of the NYT in decades.
This is exactly what the NYT does. Prints news that they "say" is news. Of course, everyone above a two digit IQ knows the NYT is full of crap. But they honestly believe they are printing the news. And it is this kind of hubris that is slowly killing the Old Gray Lady. And not a moment too son.
So the incredibly bright
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 10:08 ET by benrandSo the incredibly bright and tactile minds of the Deciders following Edwards didn't catch him publicly flirting with a well-known Manhattan party chick, and then Edwards giving her a fat contract?
They missed that?
I keep on thinking that they have dug such a deep hole to bury their credibility, yet they keep on shoveling even deeper.
The China Syndrome, I think it can be called.
Words
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 10:19 ET by NorthCoasterHubris and arrogance seem to apply to much of what the MSM and the Left stand for. Why do so many people get sucked into believing that their best interests are served by the Left? Does everything sound like it fits what they wish to be true?
Slightly off topic, but one
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 10:38 ET by Hunter12Slightly off topic, but one of the main fall-outs and big tragedies of the Edwards Affair has been stated as the lose of Elizabeth Edwards as a champion for universal healthcare. Does anyone see Elizabeth Edwards going onto a waiting list for chemotherapy? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that a wife and mother was able to use her wealth to get the best healthcare she could afford and was able to prolong her life and be with her children. I just find it incredible that someone who will never be subject to the waits and whims in a Canadian style of medical treatment would be consider a good spokesperson.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." - Sir Winston Churchill
→ Hunter
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 10:47 ET by Cool ArrowIt's an "elitist" thing. You wouldn't understand.
No, maybe it's more like the Pharisee praying in the Temple:
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As I see it, there are 1.5
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 11:25 ET by marpelAs I see it, there are 1.5 victims affected by this; the child and only half of Elizabeth Edwards. Elizabeth had to know his ways (I'm sure this is not the first affair he's had, only the first the public got wind of). Most women know their husbands and what they are capable of. She may have been a little too occupied trying to save her life, and took her "eye off the ball" (I don't blame her). At any rate, I feel for the child more than anyone. I believe Edwards is the father of the baby; therefore, this baby's dad is a schmuck and a jerk; the baby's mother is a nutjob. Wonderful start to your new life, little one...poor thing.
Navel gazing
Mon, 08/11/2008 - 11:57 ET by Kenny BunkportRegarding the Edward's story. Again the MSM media has a perfect opportunity to do some hard self-examination. They could use this opportunity to address their obvious bias, a major factor that is contributing immensely to their loss of relevance. However, the obvious Democratic bias is an unacceptable explanation. It's not even up for discussion.
The bias issue is so prevasive in any explanation of the old media's problems, but they steadfastly refuse to acknowledge it. Even in the discussion of declining relevance, the media will glom onto factors such as cost, convenience, gee-whiz factor, etc. when explaining the migration to alternative media.
Ironically, every poll of alternative users states bias as a top reason they no longer use traditional media for news. Again the media gives a quick dismissal of the obvious. It ain't so, because we said it ain't so.
Reminds me of a board meeting of a failing company where the execs discuss the various reasons why their sales are down. All kinds of reasons are put out except the obvious one - the customers don't like our product.
A gun in your hand beats a cop on the phone.
Re; This article!!!!!
Tue, 08/12/2008 - 23:48 ET by BearoneHello,
This IDIOT from the NYT is only saying this because they were up-"STAGED" by the National Enquirer, and I wonder how in the HELL that makes him feel, and all the other IDIOTS at the NYT. Especially when they decided to go with the lies about John McCain, and they cannot get a simple story straight, and now the National Enquirer tears them a new one. This news-paper if you want to call it that anymore, well I have said it before, and I will say it again, and again. The NYT is not fit to lay on the bottom of a birds cage, and that is the truth. For one-(ME)- I would not make my bird sick if I had one. I would never do that to an animal. May God have Mercy if we cannot see a "BLANTANT" attempt at making a story go away, because it was one of the left-leaning medias PRETTY-BOYS, and it will not go away. Oh but come a couple of weeks, and we will be seeing this man most likely speaking on morality at the democrap convention, and I will be damned if that could not happen the way that they operate.
Thanks for your time,
Larry D. Crumbley
bearone.