Killgrave,

Please read and consider WingletDriver’s comment above and Hero Squad’s comment below. Why should not these standard and very reasonable advice and consent procedures apply for abortions, which by the way almost always have side effects upon the woman, who has had an abortion, for days, and may increase her chances of getting breast cancer?

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

So Killgrave, are you saying there is no difference between a life and a light bulb? I think they are two seperate issues.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Your hardheartedness was foretold in that you have no "natural affection". If you think murdering the most innocent among us is in anyway justifiable then you are a reprobate. The idea that "lawmakers" and "judges" in any country can somehow justify and rationalize this barbarism is beyond disgusting. There is no creature on this earth more loathsome than someone who would participate or support this vileness in any way, shape or form.

Furthermore, this is not a conservative versus liberal issue. This is a moral issue. This is right versus wrong. There are some lines which should never be crossed nor ever tolerated by society. This is murder. Even you would not tolerate a law that says it is OK to kill your neighbor just because he was an inconvenience in you life. And if someone cannot see this, if they cannot comprehend this simple truth, then they have fulfilled the scripture which says, "having their consciences seared with a hot iron".

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31

"How, for cripes' sake, is a private conversation between a doctor and a woman anything remotely anyone else's business?"

When the topic of that conversation is the termination of someone else's life, be it an abortion, euthanasia, doctor assisted suicide, or simply pulling the plug on life support machines.

>>But when it comes to biological/reproductive self-determination, the
shoe is on the other foot. How, for cripes' sake, is a private
conversation between a doctor and a woman anything remotely anyone
else's business?<<

1. "reproductive self-determination"? Give me a break! Next you'll be saying that what John List did to his family was "household self-determination". When you're having somebody else put to death, it's somebody else's SELF that you're "determining".

2. If you think that women consult with doctors prior to abortions, you're living in a dream world. They get to talk to an "options counselor" whose main qualification probably is that she's had at least one abortion herself. The typical abortion patient is already sedated and in the stirrups before she ever meets the doctor who is doing her abortion. The law, therefore, is regulating what salespeople tell customers. Sort of like a "lemon law" requiring a used-car dealer to tell people accurate information about cars they're considering buying. Keeping unscrupulous salespeople from bamboozling customers with lies is within the scope of government regulation.

"You know, other then that there is a 100% chance that someone will die during this procedure."

Simply eloquent. 

"But I've never had a doctor sit me down and talk about how I would be terminating my existing constitutional rights."

If you've never had a medical procedure that terminates your existing Constitutional rights, why would a doctor explain this to you?

"It would make me feel like I should have brought a lawyer with me."

Look at the bright side though. At least you'll be leaving after the procedure. I'll take that over death any day.

Cureboy, I defy you to show me in the Constitution of the United States of America, where it even mentions "abortion" let alone list it as a right.

The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Amendment 9 states: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ref: enumeration

And I fail to find abortion rights listed anywhere in said document.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Another remedy states could try is a tax on abortions; say $10,000 per. Proceeds of the tax could be used to educate on abortion alternatives (like not getting pregnant), offsetting costs of adoptions, and funding foster programs. Much good could come from such a tax, not to mention, it might dissuade just a few abortions.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

I wouldn’t dare intrude on the private grief of that family. If I speak in generalities here, it isn’t to avoid the impact of reality. This is a real family, and the last thing they need is complete strangers passing judgments about circumstances we weren’t involved in. So I’d rather speak in generalities, just to leave the family alone.

The only point I want to make is that I don’t want society to do is surrender the first battle. I strongly resist the idea that “they’re going to have sex anyway” so let’s surrender there and just give them birth control. People who aren’t prepared for pregnancy shouldn’t have sex in the first place. The pregnancy is one thing, but that’s not the only issue. Sex is powerful. Sex can be psychological dynamite. Sex is where individuals are at their most vulnerable, where physical nakedness is more than matched by a psychological and spiritual nakedness that can be exploited and assaulted unless both partners have the maturity to handle it. But we live in a culture which tries to ignore the power of sex and strip it of any consequence.  Pregnancy is the obvious consequence that birth control doesn’t always fix – but how about all the other consequences? A culture that accepts “hooking up” without any commitment teaches its children to repress or avoid personal vulnerability. Down the line, we’ll have a generation of adults unable to understand compassion, because they’ve never been taught how to deal with powerful feelings.

There are other issues, of course, but I think we surrender too fast on this one.