So, What Should We Call The Media, Anyway?


Many of us have taken to calling the media establishment the "MSM," or "Mainstream Media." But is that a fair and properly descriptive monicker to bestow upon them? A New York Times Blogger pondered that very question on July 21 in a "The Caucus" blog entry -- one that was a barely disguised effort to highlight and advertise the opinion of one Markos Moulitsas of the DailyKos.

Still, regardless of the origin of the question, it is an interesting point to ponder. With the failing of newspapers country wide, with the ever falling audience that the big three TV networks are seeing for their news product, and with the corresponding rise of the Internet as a news source, is the old media still properly to be called "mainstream"? Does it still represent the most common way that America gets its news, thereby deserving of the term "mainstream"?

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Katherine Q. Seelye of The Caucus blog quotes Kos laughably to the effect of Kos taking the occasion to flatter himself and his nutrooter compatriots that they are they mainstream.

We, on the other hand, are firmly on the mainstream on just about every major issue facing our country, and our numbers are growing. We aren't outside the mainstream, we are representatives of the mainstream, and the country is embracing what we're selling.

Hardly. But he should get high points for his comedy stylings.

To prove his wild claim, Kos cites some stats that shows that people admitting to being Republican have fallen in numbers. But this is of recent origin and can hardly be assumed to be a permanent aspect of how Americans see themselves, at least not any more than conservatives can assume they've won the debate over ideology because many of today's issues are followed along, or leaning toward their principles in the rhetoric of the national debate (Abortion, 2nd Amendment, tax policy, etc.).

Still, Kos' delusional and grandiose assessment aside, the question remains: if the old press is no longer "mainstream," what are they?

Kos himself offers "traditional media" which I find unsatisfactory for the very reason he finds "MSM" unacceptable. Kos says that calling the old media "MSM" might assume in contrast that Internet news sources are "fringe" sources and that the old media is more mainstream. But his replacement term, that of "traditional media," does no better at defining terms. After all, if Kos thinks "Mainstream Media" is not a good term because it casts Internet news as outside the ordinary, how does "traditional" fit any better under the same logic? The opposite of traditional is untraditional, it should be pointed out. But, Kos does have a point. If the regular, old fashioned media is no longer the dominant form of news, then shouldn't we hang them with a name that better fits their lowered status?

There actually are some better terms we could be using. "Left-Wing Media," or LWM, is a good, derisory one. I've already called them "old media" in this piece and that one fits as well and I favor that one, as it happens. Conversely, I already call Internet news the "new media," so it is a natural fit to call TV and newspapers the "old media."

Whatever we call them, it should be something that befits their less than supreme status.

And now we can deal with Kos' last bit of foolishness proving what sort of blinkered guy he really is.

The right wing needs to co-opt or destroy the traditional media because, quite frankly, reality isn't a friend of conservative ideology. The last thing they need is anyone reporting "the truth". Instead, they need to create their own alternate reality to justify their beliefs. And any bit of reality that doesn't conform to their rigid conservative ideology is "liberal".

This from the website that attempted to destroy Joe Leiberman because he wasn't sufficiently "liberal" enough? This from the side of the political aisle that sponsors extremist groups like Media Matters? This from the party that created the Clinton attack machine in the 90s?

This silliness proves that Markos Moulitsas is not only insufferably unable to see past his own hate-filled ideology, he is a man of little ability to grow as a person. He will wallow in his hate unwilling, if not completely unable, to look inside himself, see his foibles and excesses, and make of himself a better person.

The ancients used to say that one must know oneself, that a life unexamined was one not worth living. We call it introspection. But whatever it is, Markos Moulitsas doesn't seem to possess it. And anyone who blindly marches forward in life never looking inward is a small man, indeed.

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.....Markos is a mental

.....Markos is a mental midget....so is the msm...they are hand in hand.

Just wait.

Watch what they end up being worth in the end.

Something akin to when they have to bend over and kiss their wittle arses good-bye...

Actually...some are seeing the train-wreck coming on down the road...and are bright enough to start moving themselves from those train-tracks of a wreck...why they have integrity and a reputation to protect doncha' know.....

LMAO at all of them...it is gettin' to  be fun.

"America isn't the problem...America is the solution." ~ Rush Limbaugh

Name Change

How about "FPPP."

"For Profit Political Parties" 

What to call the media?

I have been calling them the Lame Stream Media for decades.

Antique Media

My favorite is the Antique Media - stuck in the past and not working very well. I would go for Dinosour Media. But dinosour's had a big footprint.

I can't go with Antique...

I can't go with Antique Media as most antiques rise in value.  I would say Old Media, or OldStream, or the aforementioned LameStream.

But, now that I think about it, there's one thing that doesn't get more valuable as it gets older.

Garbage.

Well...

Apparently, Hillary didn't rise in value with age!!

Ha, ha!

But, maybe we get back to your last example: garbage.

What About Mordant?

Yes antiques rise in value. How about the Mordant Media? Something corrosive and pungent.

I use Pravda.  Wait, that

I use Pravda.  Wait, that one is already taken. How about Pravda Am?  Am Pravda?  Pravda Americana?

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana

the Bible calls them the

the Bible calls them the anti-Christ

founding fathers would call them traitors

communists is also a good fit

sophmoric

as long as they have distribution to the vast majority of America I call them the mainstream

in terms of ideology they reside squarely in the kook fringe

in terms of numbers it's probably not even a million people comprising the MSM message management - may not even be in the tens of thousands - the AP and Reuters drive much of the content, as does Hollywood, the NYT, LA Times, Tribune family, CNN and the big three networks, the DNC, Soros, DKOS - it's not very many people - and they are all fringe left fanatics

I tend to favor...

Yellow Stream Media.

 Their output belongs in a toilet.

 

  Hey Snooper, You say

  Hey Snooper, You say you've been using "Lame Stream Media" for decades? How many decades is that? Because the term "Main Stream Media", which you're obviously referencing and mimicking, is a recent addition to the lexicon. So either you are a liar or everyone else is mimicking your decades old phrase.  

   And you wonder why Kos said that reality isn't a friend of conservative ideology. Instead you need to create your own alternate reality to justify your beliefs.  

   That's a fair criticism and you illustrate the point beautifully by concocting this story about "The Lame Stream Media." 

Hey flashking, you are just

Hey flashking, you are just as guilty because you just took ONE GUY'S comment and made it represent ALL CONSERVATIVES.

You are a hypocrite.

um....yeah...

Memo to NB: flashking has become aware of the term "mainstream media" quite recently and is thus an expert on its origin.

He is also an expert on all specialized jargon includinging talk radio, the blogosphere, the Libertarian party, and the religious right.

Slang that is not found in the proper lexicon obviously does not exist - and if you claim to use any of these nonexistant words you are a liar.

 

Lame Stream

They lost the right to be called the 'Main' stream media when they made the decision to become lackie's for the DNC. The main source of  'accurate' news is the net and the old media will not rise again even if the democrats led by Botox brain infected Peeeloshi try to push the unfairness doctrine on the people. Peeeloshi and Reid are hastening the first shots of the next war. They couldn't manufacture a civil war in Iraq but they are quickly bringing one to this country that they won't like or survive.

 

Old, Retired and glad of it.

Thy name is ADP

Agenda Driven Propaganda

 

To know and not do, is to not yet know

→ How about

The Tank

  • LYDSEXICS UNTIE

inquiringmind

Big Media

The Axis Media

The Axis Media

This term inables the inclusion of oM (old Media), MsM and NwM (New Media). While differing in formats, the biased population of all three, form an axis of cooperation for liberal to extreme liberal bias. It also serves to make a statement each time that they are not so independently driven but do cooperate and support one another.

(I do realize the MsM is a more generic reference that sometimes is part of both the oM and NwM but they also contain parts not easily identifiable with either the oM or NwM so their distinction here is kept).

Next Please! If you claim to be a conservative, please don't disgrace yourself and conservatism by thinking and arguing like a liberal.

Call them what they are "THE

Call them what they are "THE ENEMY WITHIN"

"Liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots, and on the matter of America's self-preservation, the difference is irrelevant."  --- Ann Coulter (my hero)

Works better than MSM

BSM

 

"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" -- Obama, the next president?

How about the "measured and

How about the "measured and found wanting media"? - MWM

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31

Better look out Warner..

Better look out Warner.. you keep making sense like this and you're going to find youself on Olbiedog's "Worst Person of the Week," spot.

Gary (;~>

Media Center Leftists (MCLs

Media Center Leftists (MCLs for short)

They're old and worn-out - and they stink

The old media can't hold a candle to that of my youth, and I've taken to calling them has-been media.

They still call older and lesser actors - and many conservative entertainers and actors they never liked - has-been, they are just that.

 

 

I have often wondered

why NBers still refers to the failed media as "Main Stream". They certainly are not any more-I now wonder if they ever were. I still read and subscribe to one of our local papers, but I am beginning to wonder if it is worth it. I think I do it because I have always read and subscribed to a paper. Creature of habit.

Big Media

I think Big Media fits, but is not a perfect name since Fox News is now the "biggest" cable news network when it comes to ratings and some internet outlets are beating well established newspapers. The Big Media tag still works to an extent though because the decline in MSM news outlets (like so many of the national newspapers, CNN, network newscasts, etc.) are offset by the rise in other liberal media outlets that now serve as news sources to the consumer. So the influential Big Media are not so much those traditional news outlets as they were in the past, but rather they include the network and cable shows like Today, Good Morning America, Oprah, The Daily Show, etc., and even fictional television programming and movies.

I am encouraged by the success of the internet and talk radio and other non-traditional outlets to drive stories, and by the decline in well established liberal newspapers and network news, but looking at the numbers enjoyed by the morning chat shows and other liberal "non-news" media I still see "Big Media" as incredibly powerful.

"Big Media" also plays off the Big Oil, Big Drug Company, Big Tobacco, etc. boogeyman that has been used for some years now. Big Media is at least as scary as any of those.

DNC Media

DNC Media.  Sis-boom-bah...  gooooOOOOO TEAM!

Call the Media?

Why "Mediacrats" of course.

I believe in labeling accurately, so...

how about Manufactured Opinion Outlet?

Really, does anyone report just the news anymore? Or is it their opinion on the news? 

 

If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love youBut if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Don Marquis 1878-1937

WHAT ARE THEY???

The MSM are exactly what El-Rushbo calls them, the Drive-By-Media. They come along, report on something, & move on. Whether or no what was reported was true & whatever mess they made is in their wake.

Of course, in reality, the MSM is a part of the DNC. They are in the tank for the Dems & they don't even bother to hide it, but get pissed when accused of their bias. It's very funny.

 

 

"...it's still We The People, Right?"  Megadeth 

Wow, what a screwball. I

Wow, what a screwball. I guess by "the country is embracing what we're selling," he means the three or four percent of all the bloggers / blog commenters in the country.

StoryTribe.com

Nowadays it's more like

Nowadays it's more like ObaMedia. Or ClyMedia.

"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"

Duh-ly Kos

I think I know what Kos' problem is, or at least part of it.

He believes that because he thinks a particular way, so does everyone else.

I used to do that too . . . when I was 10 years old. But I grew up. I guess it's too much to hope that Kos will grow up some day.

 

"They're both doofuses!" --Mark Levin (speaking of Obama and McCain)

Well..

Well, he certainly LOOKS like a ten-year-old boy. Why is it that liberals all look and sound like emasculated, little she-men!?

Does Kos even have to shave?

Shave? Not a chance.

Does Kos even have to shave?

Of course not.

BTW - I like that pic you got of him. It's a real "Deer in the headlights" moment. ;-)

 

"They're both doofuses!" --Mark Levin (speaking of Obama and McCain)

Yeah...why can't they be

Yeah...why can't they be big, hairy, liberal-stompin' he-men like Rich Lowry or Gary Bauer?

Jer

Jer,

I have to admit, that is funny. Dammit!!! :)

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

To be honest, Restless

To be honest, Restless, those are about the only two names I could come up with.  Have to admit there are probably more 'wussies' in the liberal ranks.  [And I meant no disrespect to Lowry and Bauer.  They are both fine men.]

Jer

I don't know. Why do

I don't know. Why do conservatives all look like constipated country club board members annoyed at the idea of "outsiders" gaining membership?

If you cover up one side of

If you cover up one side of his face he looks like he's about to cry, and if you cover up the other side he looks like he's about to snap. When you read this don't say you didn't try it, hehe...

Don't ask me how I figured that out, I'm not sure myself : ) 

"Nuke 'em 'til they... oh hell, just shoot 'em!"

You're right. Let's just

You're right. Let's just leave it at that.

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

OLD Mainstream Media or OLD

OLD Mainstream Media or OLD MSM seems appropriate for the name. Since MSM makes it appear they are NOW the mainstream and the term OLD media all on its own will lose those making the transition to the new reality. This is a good midstep for people transitioning to understanding the term Old Media..

Gil.