Andrew Breitbart: 'Something's Desperately Wrong' in Hollywood

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Andrew Breitbart, CEO of Breitbart.com, had a great op ed in the Washington Times yesterday about how Hollywood oppresses Republicans and conservatives in La La Land. Detailing the travails of Republicans in Hollywood -- including destruction by Hollywood's liberals of personal property owned by identified Republicans -- Breitbart laments the "bullying" the self-proclaimed tolerant lefties mete out to those who walk the Republican side of the street.

Breitbart says of this ideological inbreeding:

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But Los Angeles is a one-company town. And because of bullying (or what Democrats would call blacklisting or “political discrimination” if the shoe were on the other foot), Hollywood has become a one-party town. History will show this dynamic hurt both the creative and the political processes. In the absence of checks and balances we end up with a system that creates a mainstream film about Ronald Reagan -- written, produced and directed by narcissistic and myopic partisans who only viewed the Gipper through the lens of partisan AIDS activism. Like anyone would watch an epic movie about America’s victory in the Cold War.

Hollywood is so left-wing that it hurts its own bottom line by constantly producing films that no one wants to see. Especially their current crop of dreck about the war in Iraq. Breitbart mentions the many failures of these left-wing, anti-Iraq war films.

More than a dozen box office failures vilify the troops without a single counter-perspective seeing the light of day. Yet one impactful and heartfelt pro-war film, Brothers at War, dares to tell the story of a noble and patriotic American family yet can’t find a distributor.

But there is another way to see how little America cares for these anti-American bombs. It is instructive to take a quick look at the box office takes for these unmitigated disasters to see how Americans have reacted to these films.

  • Lions for Lambs $15 million
  • Stop-Loss $10 million
  • Rendition $9 million
  • In the Valley of Elah $6 million
  • No End in Sight $1 million
  • Gunner Palace $601,000
  • The War Tapes $255,000
  • Iraq in Fragments $205,000
  • Redacted $66,000
  • Home of the Brave $52,000
  • Grace Is Gone $51,000
  • Battle for Haditha $9,000

Now, in contrast, some of the current crop of films at the theater have earned so much more than these flops that it boggles the mind. Even those films considered flops, like Speed Racer, have so far out earned Hollywood's dreary, anti-American Iraq war films that it seems impossible to believe.

Winners thus far this Summer are:

  • Iron Man $300 million
  • Indiana Jones 4 $300 million
  • Kung Fu Panda $200 million
  • WALL-E (After only two weeks) $163 million
  • Sex in the City $148 million
  • Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian $139 million

And here are some of what are being called box office bombs this Summer:

  • The Happening $63 million
  • Speed Racer $43 million
  • The Love Guru $31 million

Even the execrable Eddie Murphy debacle "Meet Dave" earned $5 million thus far and it just came out on July 11. Comparing these numbers to the paltry box office take of Hollywood's horrible Iraq war movies is an eyeopening exercise.

Breitbart sums up his point thus:

The litany of negative consequences to the ideological rigidity of modern Hollywood is virtually limitless. The lack of tension between competing ideas has made the arts increasingly tedious and rendered the celebrities woefully uninteresting.

Well, if nothing else, the box office earnings I just recounted tend to support that, at least to reveal that Americans simply don't agree with Hollywood's point of view. Yet they persist in being as far off target from how the average American feels about this country as possible.

Breitbart is right. Hollywood does not reflect the ideology of most Americans. And its militant, hatred of the ideology of the largest number of America's citizens, as well as its hypocritical comportment in reaction to that ideology, makes the lie to its claim of being the more "civilized," "caring," and "intelligent" spot in the country.

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Don't forget television!

It's interesting I just read an article regarding television, specifically day-time and late-night talk shows, that made my blood boil because it's more of the same talk from people who all go to the same church:  Obama is not a good topic for their "jokes" because unlike every other previous President (and politician for that matter), Obama is just not ... how do they put it ... "a buffoon"!  He's serious!  Not to be laughed at! 

 

http://www.iht.com/a...

 

I tell you, this is why El Rushbo is worth every penny of his gazillion dollars.  I've laughed louder at his parodies, and he's not afraid.  Reminds me of the scenes of families gathered around the living room in a semi-circle around the radio.  It's practically all we have.  If Obama was white, talk shows like Leno or Stewart would be telling every "Beaver Cleaver running for President" joke, but given the circumstances they are petrified of offending Whoopi, Barbara, or Joy.

clap clap

bravo breitbart

that wasn't so hard to say now was it

been waiting for this for about 20 years now 

any other prominent conservative big wigs out there care to speak out about the entertainment industry, now...?

come on, its fun, it's heroic, it's adult behavior!

I agree with what you have said

and the ideas you have expressed. There are shows I enjoy watching on TV, BUT I do not enjoy their obvious digs at those of us who are conservative. I have written to express my displeasure, but have never heard back from ANY network-what a surprise.

I remember an episode of Shark (which is now off the air) where they were trying to say a woman was unattractive so they compared her to Laura Bush; of course there are countless shows which make the bad guy an Iraq war veteran…a particular rant of mine since my son served there for nearly a year. It truly does not end; the President and VP Cheney are constantly dismissed in many ways and this does not even begin to mention Leno and the other late night comedians. Then there are those of us who support the 2nd amendment, boy is that rich ground for them.

I guess we have our reward when this type of show fails as the media is failing.


 

Money drying up

I wish there was a connection between hollywoods recent trouble with finding money for thier upcoming projects and thier political bias. Most banks have had to tighten up the rules on lending money and Hollywood Studios are finding it more difficult to find new money. The poor showing of a lot of the more politically positioned films have put a few studios in positions where they will have to use more of thier own money due to outside sources for money drying up. I can only hope this will force them to be more circumspect when deciding to greenlight upcoming films. I can only hope that the upcoming Oliver Stone hack job on President Bush crashes and dies at the box office but there is a good chance that because of his past box office performance he will have a good opening weekend. I do not think it will sustain, but that is only my opinion.

Hollywood is nothing if not a money making factory. Eventually the bottom line will make it impossible for the trash that impersonates as movies to continue being made. 

Richb313 the audience is saturated

for this kind of material.

I think some of the bombs mentioned above were produced by famous producers and starred many famous actors like "Lions for Lambs" was basically an all-star cast.  So even the supposed "Star-Power" of these people can't entice people to spend good money to see the movies.

These movies don't even do that well in pay-per-view on Comcast either.

I think Michael Moore really did all you could do with FH9/11 and now I don't think anyone cares about another Bush picure.  The MSM has done way too good a job at making GWB irrelevant, so the only people that would see a Bush movie are the ones who would like to see a positive view of the President and we all know that one is not going to get made.

The irony of what I said above about making Bush irrelevant of course flies in the face of one of the left's favorite "slogan's" McSame, saying mcCain is the same as Bush.  So for that purpose they have to make Bush relevant.  This may backfire in the end, since Bush has had many successes lately from the Iraq War, Wiretapping, NKorea and hopefully soon Drilling. 

It will be interesting to

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. It's running parallel to, but a little bit behind, the newspaper industry. Newspapers are facing steep declines in circulation and profits. Many are facing bankruptcy and have been laying off people for quite a while.

They blame the internet for the falling readership. While this is partially true, they should also look at their own left leanings. Most people who read (I'm not talking about the sheeple who have to have the talking heads tell them what to think) do not want want to know the opinions of some arrogant journalist. They want the facts so they can come to their own conclusions.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 - "The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."

Related Question

I apologize in advance for this, but I don't know what terminology to search for, so I'm going to wing it and hope that someone will post a better articulation or specific citations to back up my premise.

 

I remember, sometime in the mid 1990's, President Clinton signing a new law or bill that in effect changed the taxable rates for anyone who made more than one million dollars a year.  I dont recall the exact provisioning or wording, but I do remember that professional athletes and actors were excluded from this new tax policy.  

 

How about we remove that exemption for them?  Would that cause them to see the burgeoning weight of the government?

 

If I am completely off-base on this, please laugh at me and continue on ... 

 

Thanks!

I just want...

a space based laser and surgically remove Hollywood, Burkeley, and San Francisco...is that to much to ask for?

"9 out of 10 doctors agree that flag burning is the number one killer of liberals."

That's one solution...

Or where's Gene Hackman's Lex Luthor - with his plan to nuke the San Andreas Fault and turn Nevada into beachfront property - when we really need him?

I couldn't help but notice that the entire list of anti-Iraq films combined took in less money than Speed Racer.

And I also can't believe Speed Racer managed to bring in $43M...

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I admire FDR for not insisting on getting the approval of France and Germany before going to war.
--Anne Coulter

Real men and women in Hollywood

Who can deny Breitbart? But here is another problem with Hollywood: It seem that Hollywood can not make a movie about a real and believable man with redeeming virtues. Look at the entire list of movies above and search your mind for releases of movies ever since outing homosexuals became in.

Most male roles are patently ridiculous (Batman, Indiana Jones, and similar such stuff), or rely upon special effects (Prince Caspian, etc.) that separate it from the real world that the rest of us walk in.

Maybe there are a few exceptions (i.e., non-silly movies with good male roles) that prove the rule, but I suspect that even they have some disqualifying flaws or gaps. The problem seems to be that one way or another there is always something queer about Hollywood movies nowadays.

There are no real and believable women with redeeming virtues in Hollywood nowadays either, but that is a different and also older story.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Are these...

Well...

There are no real and believable women with redeeming virtues in Hollywood nowadays either, but that is a different and also older story.

Are these the ones that go topless in every other film/tabloid/magazine spread/porn video perhaps?

Tell me what movies are you

Tell me what movies are you talking about for these role models.  Apparently you might not understand why people go to movies in teh first place.  usually they go to escape reality and see teh larger than life like Batman, Ironman.  If you look at the roles they are human, frail and vurnable to what happens in ral life.  They overcome adversity and persevere just like the rest of teh rabble.

So what are your movies for role models.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

well the first Indiana

well the first Indiana Jones movie was great because it was a regular guy, the special effects were pretty much just a few explosions, and then the ghosts at the end, everything Indy did in that first one was conceivable - maybe not likely, but he didn't have magic powers, he used his brains and his fists to get himself out of situations, and that is why that movie will always remain in such high regard for so many people

the sequels sucked in comparison, they were fun movies, but the charm of Indiana Jones was gone and slap-stick humor replaced good plot lines

 

Raiders of the Lost Ark

Yes, I agree with you, “Raiders of the Lost Ark” was a good film (the actual Ark part was pretty hokey, though). I looked it up on the web, and found that it was released in 1981 (27 years ago). Some time after that things ‘went South’ in Hollywood.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Speaking of Hollywood - have you seen this bar fight WTH?

It seems the left wing Josh Brolin and others in Oliver Stones new Bush Bash film got into a bar fight

Hollywood Bar fight

It also appears from the end of the article that Brolin is another liberal wife beater.

Yes the liberal peace makers are at it again. If only everyone could live their lives according to Holywood morals America would be a better place.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Dee

Yeah, I saw that story. But please always remember and never forget, they are the more "civilized" people than we lowly Republicans!

I was thrilled to hear the Oliver Stone crew was jeered in LA!

I thought that part of the story was the greatest. Seems those Hurricanes victims don't all blame Bush.
We only get that story when we read between the lines of other stories because the media likes to keep that a secret.

 

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Great observation Dee

Now if we could only get the average Joe to understand how much the media biases the news by selectively filtering their reporting. 

                A gun in your hand beats a cop on the phone.

Kenny B - I'll never forget when ABC covered the President's

Speech with people from the Astrodome (or what ever the place was in Houston) watching and when they interviewed them after, none had bad words to say about Bush, only Mayor Nagen. You could tell they were shocked. It was live and I don't think they ever aired the clips again.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

I have suggested this

I have suggested this before, but Hollywood was built by patriots and hard working Americans. Who is now there that can hold a candle to the great actors and personalities of yesterday?  Many of them must be rolling in their graves. Now they are embarrassing shameful uneducated idiots who claim moral authority at every turn, while having none.

 

 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

12 Anti-war, anti-American

12 Anti-war, anti-American flicks - Total :   $42.2 million
 1 Summer Box Office Flop (Speed Racer):  $43   million 

Gee, 1 flop is worth more than 12 flip-offs.

What's that old saying about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

When asked if he went to war with Iraq  to derail the impeachment vote:  “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Conservatives as lepars in tinseltown

What a great article and thanks for sharing. I worked in the entertainment industry and as a registered Republican/conservative, I had to watch my P's and Q's, not get into political discussions and pretty much operate as if I was Anne Frank in the attic.

But seriously, they will NOT accept conservative or right leaning material. I've seen it happen and even good work gets the cold shoulder b/c it may be right leaning or Pro American.  But as you've pointed out, lefty films don't make money. And it's hurting the industry, it's unbalanced and unchecked. As you will see that Deutsche Bank just pulled away from financing Paramount.  Less movies are getting made every year and more of them are making less money. 

And b/c of all of this, the economy in Hollywood is getting worse as w/ the job market.  I'm not talking about the muckety mucks.  I'm mean the lowly assistants, production people and lower tier executives who can barely pay their rent. But hey, they can tell people they work in Hollywood.

Mr.L

Lala Still Seeing Red

What a fantastic piece.  It appears Obama's marxist dream of silencing the opposistion is alive and unwell in Lala land.  Coming to your city soon?

I can just see Babs Streisand after reading this op-ed;  I'll get you my little Breitbart pretty, and your little red Lexus too. 

Liberal Bullying

This article writes about the few openly conservative players in Hollywood. The only one who I am familiar with is Dennis Miller. Dennis Miller is a famous comedian who turned conservative after 9/11. Dennis Miller now has a radio talk show and is also a frequent guest on "the O'Reilly Factor" on Fox news. I have heard Miller talk about how he was ostracized by much of Hollywood after he became a conservative. He says that the liberals in Hollywood are clearly intolerant of opposing political view-points. He says that conservatives must remain "in the closet" least they lose their chance of getting lucrative contracts and advancing in Hollywood.

I have also noticed a similar type of bullying on the Yahoo Answers web-site. This is a web-site where you can ask and answer questions on a variety of topics in any of about a hundred categories. I usually participate in the categories of politics & elections, religion & spirituality, lesbian, gay, bi-sexual &transgendered and global warming. I have had scores of questions and answers reported and removed and over a dozen accounts suspended. The reasons are usually because I am critical of "gay pride", atheism, and Barack Obama. My questions and answers are usually thoughtful, reasoned, non confrontational and non insulting. However, because of my opinion, my answers often get reported and removed and eventually my account gets suspended. Apparently, I am not the only one that this is happening to, because I notice that a majority of people who post in the "religion and spirituality" category are atheists, witches, and followers of pagan religions. Often they make very hateful, intolerance comments about Christianity. I believe that Christians are being intimidated by having their questions and answers removed and their accounts suspended, just like me. After a while they just give up, and the atheists have taken over. The same thing happens in the "LGBT" category if you are critical of celebrating homosexuality, and in the political & elections category if you are critical of Obama. So far, the global warming enthusiasts seem to be more tolerant of differing views.

Just like the article in the Washington Times says, I find liberals, homosexuals and atheists to be very intolerant of opposing views. There are many examples of liberals who are actively stifling free speech when they disagree. I have written about some of these in previous articles. This is a far cry from the liberals of the 60s who said " I may disagree with what you say, but I defend your right to say it". Ben Stein's movie "Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed" is another example of liberal bullying by the Universities.

I mention this bullying on Yahoo Answers, because I think it is exemplary of what is happening in Hollywood and on college campusses. For example, you see many hateful bumper stickers on automobiles mocking and insulting President Bush, but you rarely, if ever, see bumper stickers praising Bush or mocking Obama. People dare not affix conservative bumper stickers, lest they risk vandalism to their car, yet liberals often go ever-the-top, calling for Bush's conviction and impeachment and they are widely accepted. Students at a Georgia university, recently protested to have Supreme Court Justice, Clarance Thomas, disinvited from speaking at their commencement hearing. It has been reported that over 80% of all speakers invited to speak at University commencement ceremonies this year were liberal. Often conservative speakers on University campuses get booed, heckled or bullied out of appearing in the first place.

Most people, especially conservatives, just want to get on with their work or their studies without getting hassled. They maintain a low profile, so as not to attract the ire of pacifists, gay activists, atheists, and believers in man-made global warming. Those activist groups may be small in number, but they are quite vocal, offensive, intimidating, aggressive and "in-your-face". Most sane people don't want to get into a confrontation with these "loons", so they either join them or keep their mouth shut. As a result, it appears that everyone is on their side and more people join them, just to fit in with what seems to be popular on college campusses, Hollywood and most major cities".

Good post

 

The real sad thing about liberal bullying, is they are often cowards and resort to vandalism and name calling. I go out of my way to have debates with liberals in person, so often they say something like "we will have to agree to disagree" or some other nonsense. They don't want to know the truth OR even the arguments of the right.  So I am always sure to ask them "what are you afraid of?"

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Gary - here are my questions that got delted from the Religion

section of Yahoo Answers. They are still in my list but grayed out and not accessible. I'll copy and paste

Do People who are so upset with Ben Stein's Doc prove his point?

In Religion & Spirituality - Asked by Nobody Girl - 0 answers - 3 months ago- (Question has been removed)

Are there even any religious people on the R&S section?

In Religion & Spirituality - Asked by Nobody Girl - 22 answers - 4 months ago (Question has been removed)

 
Do atheists rule the R&S section?

In Religion & Spirituality - Asked by Nobody Girl - 18 answers - 4 months ago

- (Question has been removed)


These sound so outrageous and offensive don't they? And don't think that they were deleted because of the answers. The answers were bad, but they delete those separate. They don't delete a question because of the answers given. Most of the people who responded to these three questions (except the one deleted before an answer could be given) were Atheists.

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Dee Bunk

Dee, I got several of my YA! accounts suspended for linking to this page on my blog (My Views on Homosexuality) or copying portions in my questions and answers. Can you please tell me what is so offensive in this blog? Every-time I copy from it, I get hateful, insulting, offensive comments, then my account gets suspended.

garyganu

Gary G - I read your blog on homosexuality and think

that it made some great points and was certainly nothing to get banned over. I would still understand yours more than mine (I didn't get banned, just these questions deleted) because mine where in the Religion section and they certainly couldn't be offensive to religious people.

I don't know what section you had your answers in, but I'd say that what you are saying is more appropriate for the politics section than the G&L section. Either way though I can't see anything worthy of being banned or deleted.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

 

Gary...

I know you were talking to Dee, but I read your post and wanted to make a comment.

I found nothing offensive about what you wrote and I find it disturbing that people would want to edit your opinions right off the internet.

Here's an opinion I have held for quite a long time... The biggest reason young people turn to to a gay lifestyle is for the fast and easy sex! It has nothing to do with being attracted to the person on an emotional level, it's simply easy sex. 

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

Gary,

I second Clear Thinker’s remarks above.

I just did a little test. I lifted the apparently unique passage
"70% out-of-wedlock birth rate, the Hispanic community"
From your blog titled “My Views On Homosexuality”
And did a web search using Altavista. I got exactly one hit; namely, your blog. (Before I included the last three words I got over 600 hits.)

I then tried the same thing using Google. I got zero hits. But I did get tons of hits involving stuff that uses portions of your passage.

It is generally known that Google has an activist liberal outlook; it appears that a more thorough study about this may be warranted. Do you have any suggestions?

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

Needle

It should be 70% out-of-wedlock-births in the black community.

Google and Yahoo are changing definitions to fit the homosexual agenda. Try googling: define: marriage and see what you come up with. I got about 20 definitions and only 2 of them, somewhere near the end of the list mentioned a union between a man and a woman.

I don't know what we could do. One person on this post recommended opening up conservative movie studios. However I do not have the ability nor financing to do that.

If you meant how do we prove that Google and Yahoo have this agenda, I don't know, besides the two examples I already provided. Do you have any ideas?

LA. CONSERVATISM: MAKING A DIFFERENCE!

Cutting the Pork
Source: BR Business Report, 7-15-08
Jindal State Sen. Yvonne Dorsey called Gov. Bobby Jindal “asinine” after his 258 vetoes in House Bill 1. Asinine is defined as “foolish, unintelligent, or silly; stupid.” I would bet that few people, if any, would accuse Jindal of being any of these for his actions. Dorsey is angry because more than $300,000 was vetoed for the McKinley High School Alumni Association in her district. (How come the proud McKinley alums don’t fund this organization?) Because of these vetoes, Dorsey, like so many other legislators, can no longer play Santa, doling out jobs and stockpiling political favors with their slush funds. There are many other government and nonprofit programs that provide the same type of services. Jindal is to be applauded for looking out for the taxpayers and making the tough decisions. Legislators now are discussing a veto-override session in August.
Warning: If they thought the public was mad over their pay raise, just wait until they return to the Capitol to recapture their slush funds and pork.
CRAWFISH NOTE: If only more voters knew it. If only Bush knew it and did likewise the past 7 years. Buying votes with your tax money is a political cancer. Tens of billions by the 9% congress and tens of millions for states. This is what is meant by REFORM. This is what is meant by PRINCIPLES. This is what is meant by CONSERVATISM.

Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)

LIBS: LA LA SECULAR LAND

Hollyweird is the heartland of secular socialism. Sort of an "Alice In Wonderland" where "up is down". It creates the alternative universe.

As I tell my wife, "its another least likely" when a show or commercial actually portrays a "least likely" situation. Its amazing.Women kick butt of 200 pound men, minorities are noble family-moral value strongholds, its never your fault, christians are extreme kooks, children tell parents what to do, people fornicate like it was just entertainment without any consequences beyond disease, terrorists are mostly white american conservatives, diversity is akin to saving grace, thugs are somehow misunderstood nobility, quotas have quotas, morality is what you make it and liberalism (secular socialism) is always the superior life path. This is 90% of the time. This is the alternate universe our young are shown 24-7.

And you wonder why so many youth have serious problems in the real world?

I don't. The secular socialism team is winning. Hollyweird is the quarterback.

 

Doug Schexnayder, Ph.D. (theconservativecrawfish)

Well said reelman

I knew all those things but never looked at it that way. "least likely" is a good term. I will probably borrow it.

It always gets me mad when I am watching a TV show or commercial. The kids are always the clever ones that the parents learn from. If one of the parents has an occasional good idea, it is always the mother. That is in the unusual circumstance that the kid has both a mother and father of course.

are these fair comparisons?

i agree with you that hollywood is definitely leaning heavily to the left. this is no surprise since most of the arts are a draw for lefties. 

i also agree it is a disappointment that there is a need to shoot so many war dramas. is it a need to better understand war, which america (and other countries) have been involved in for seven years? or is it just another backdrop for the purposes of entertainment? is war so ingrained in the american culture that war films are something to expect? i suspect your list of movies falls into all three categories. 

but then you started comparing super heroes to documentaries and then you lost me.

i loved IRON MAN. but to compare it to IRAQ IN FRAGMENTS isn't appropriate.

IRAQ IN FRAGMENTS is not a hollywood blockbuster, nor does it try to be. it stars real people, tells real stories and has won several international awards.

http://www.imdb.com/...

GUNNER PALACE (2004) is another documentary which tells stories of american troops.

BATTLE FOR HADITHA was shot in jordan and is a UK film, not from hollywood. again, this wasn't made to be a popcorn blockbuster.

some movies are made because they are important and the stories need to be told. the audience isn't huge, but it exists. then there are some movies just for fun (far too many, actually). there's room for both.

i do want to thank you for topping your list with IRON MAN. this movie actually speaks volumes of the american dichotomy, right now. it is a lot closer to reality than one would like to think. there is certainly something to the battle between the well-intentioned, brilliant-if-oblivious/uncaring Stark who then has his eyes opened to what he represents vs the character played by Jeff Bridges. 

this is a battle that many see as america itself. the dark hand of the military industrial complex; the moving of terrorists around like chess players on a board; the epiphany of Stark (the well-meaning america itself) when he discovers what his products actually represent and how they affect those outside his luxurious lifestyle, and the hope that he will make an effort to right the wrongs he obliviously was responsible for. 

IRON MAN is a war movie. and its success (of combining action while delivering an important message) illustrates that the american people are beginning to get it. 

 

conservatives suppressed? it is only the creative limitations of people that suppresses. great ideas and stories are never suppressed. because in hollywood, they're so uncommon, their bound to be profitable.

ABP, the depth of your

ABP, the depth of your perception is amazing.  A brilliant analysis worthy of a hollywood mogol that puts movies like GUNNER PALACE out in th first place.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

DTM2

ABP doesn't care about Conservative's Lexus!

we've had this alleged

we've had this alleged American dichotomy beaten to death

there are other views equally valid, if not more so

boomers run hollywood now

they have always been a staggeringly self-absorbed generation, everything handed to them on a silver platter, spoiled brats

completely obsessed with cynicism regarding traditional American ideals - and now mostly pouting about their 60's delusions of grandeur hitting the walls of reality

they've heavily underestimated great American tradition - particularly Christianity - they can't kill it off, and now in their waning years throwing these pitiful film and television punches in the air as a desperate last ditch effort for vindication

entertainment has always been their church and religion

built not on the rock, but on shifting sands

hollywood used to be in God's corner, and it was powerful 

Another good one

Good post TM 

I really like this line, most fitting I think.

 and now mostly pouting about their 60's delusions of grandeur hitting the walls of reality  

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

is it possible?

are we both in agreement when it comes to your take on boomers ?!

minus the christianity part. 

close is better than not

close is better than not close:)

Okay - here are some documentary comparisons for you ABP

Young at Heart - a non political documentary did better than all the docs WTH mentioned.

The Singing Revolution about Estonia's non violent win against communism also did better

Ben Stein's Expelled - also did better than all the one's mentioned.

These did better despite not having free advertising by the networks and Hollywood and the Oscars and liberal movie critics. I saw all three and all were very good. 2 of the three are foreign films and spread by word of mouth. Ben Stein's had a marketing budget but little free publicity.

Then the film Persepolis about an Iranian's girl's experience growing up in Iran also did way better (in the U.S. )than all the anti-American non documentaries he mentioned . Persepolis was definitely critical of the U.S. but it was even more critical of Radical Islam.

Another foreign film "The Counterfeiters" - a German film about the Jews who unwittingly helped the Nazi's also did better.

"Black Book" a foreign film about the Dutch resistance to the Nazi's did better in the U.S.

Great ideas take financing to make them happen. The rich Hollywood liberals are only willing to finance anti-American propaganda. It's funny how other countries can make less anti-American films and do better at our box offices despite the fact that many people don't speak these languages and don't like to watch subtitles. Can you imagine how well they would do if they were in English?

We don't have to even imagine because Werner Herzog (a German Director) did just that. He made a film about a heroic Soldier in Vietnam in English called "Rescue Dawn". It's the first film to do with Vietnam that I know of that does not demonize the U.S. It out did all of these films by a long shot - it was something like $60-70 million. This film had little free advertising from the media. If it had been promoted heavily by the Networks and critics, it would have done much much more.

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

I noticed that ABP conveniently ignored these fair comparisons

not that WTH's were unfair - these just spoke directly to ABP's false premises.

this is a battle that many

this is a battle that many see as america itself. the dark hand of the military industrial complex;

What dark hand of the Military Industrial complex?  I wish we HAD a military industrial complex.

Even the lefties complain that we cannot equip our troops as fast as they would desire with certain items, yet we have a problem with a MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX?

What the HELL!!!!

If a liberal ever complains about the slow delivery of Uparmored HMMWV or lack of approriate body armor, or any other devices, i shall refer them to "Abeautifulperson" who believes we have a "military Industrial Complex."

D Eisenhower is now rolling at 30,000 RPM.

Excellent point BD - this was also ignored by ABP

those inconvenient truths are just best ignored by leftists.

Warner

Yes Hollywood is very liberal, but If someone can come up with the financing for a conservative type movie, no one is saying they can't make these movies

Flags of our Fathers and The Passion of the Christ, both were quite successful

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

the distribution channel is

the distribution channel is fascist liberal

Mel had a hell of a time getting a distro deal

promo channel also liberal

Today-type shows only promo's liberal sh*t

As usual

As usual, Shawn, you miss the point. Sure a "conservative" movie can be made if the maker can find the financing. But, HERE is what we are saying. No one without $100 million dollars to waste on a movie production CAN get a movie made because the Hollywood establishment mercilessly blocks it. This takes 99.9% of those who might want to make a conservative based movie... or even a traditional American values movie... and blocks them fom ever being able to make a movie.

This is the sort of cabal, good-old-boys network YOU would decry elsewhere.

Ah, but for Shawn, when it blocks the ideology of HALF THE COUNTRY... well, that's just fine with him!

even if it gets made - and

even if it gets made - and many do - you still can't get major distribution (Target, Best Buy, Walmart, Theatres, etc) or promotion (MSM) - that's all fascist liberals

Mel Gibson started his own

Mel Gibson started his own distribution company to get out the "Passion of The Christ". No established distribution company would release it.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

exactly - he gambled most

exactly - he gambled most of his personal fortune on the production AND distro

most people will never appreciate the balls it took to do that

hw also unleashed a major slander campaign against the film

turned out to be great free PR actually

God has a damn fine sense of humor - and justice:)

good for mel

people gamble their personal fortune all the time. its called investing. you make it sound like mel was some kind of victim. people don't like his work, they can say so and not work with him on it.

mel's made some terrific films (but i wouldn't spend a minute of my time on that production).

someone please write a screenplay for one of BOR's books. let's see it produced. keep in mind, there is a difference between suppression and dismissing.  

 (but i wouldn't spend a

 (but i wouldn't spend a minute of my time on that production).

 I would ask why, but I think we all know why.

 someone please write a screenplay for one of BOR's books. let's see it produced. keep in mind, there is a difference between suppression and dismissing. 

Seems to me this is exsactly what this thread is about. Hard to see it when you cant open your eyes, right?

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

ABP and Shawn refuse to see the point even when restated

by WTH and others.

The point is that the left wing loones can try lots more stuff because they get free publicity and easier access to distribution.

Liberals talk about the fairness doctrine on radio, but on radio - they have been given lots of chances and they bomb every time. The distribution companies won't take the chance on conservative films despite their success.

My post above that was late details how even Foreign films can have a better chance here (one's that are not anti-American) than an American made conservative film.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

i'm not about to write a BOR screenplay

and i am allowed to choose the movies i want to watch, or not. but i have no interest in suppressing someone else from making and distributing whatever they want.

so go ahead. i would think newsbuster folk are the perfect group to galvanize, come together, produce and distribute BOR and other conservative type films. you've identified the problem, you know the solution...

talk minus action = zero

  Who said anyone wants

 

Who said anyone wants to produce a BOR "movie"?,,,oh thats right, it was you.

Ever heard the term "dumb as dirt"?

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

you've heard it a lot eh?

people can be so mean. just don't listen to them when they call you that.

 

absolutely not - people

absolutely not - people hardly ever "gamble their fortunes" when they are investing - that's the point - a film is a partnership of many groups distributing and sharing the risk - but Mel had to take a huge amount of it all on his own back - we was definitely a victim of the liberal entertainment mafia on this 

the main reason he survived was Jesus:)

well you must hang with a posh crowd

i know plenty of people who've risked their life savings investing in small businesses and a few who have lost. his is simply the same thing on a larger scale. besides, i wouldn't quite call it gambling. 

mel takes a risk. and why not? should he be immune from risk? was he forced to do this project? his win with this movie made the victory all the sweeter. he's no victim.

besides, mel's worth between $850m - $950m. there's no way he risked more than a fifth of that. 

a look into the lib mind

In other words.....

An obscure lib can write a screenplay on a whim, sell it to Rob Reiner, wait for the gushing review in the NYT and call it a hard day's work.

A conservative must have millions of private capital to invest, write a dang good screenplay worthy of an Oscar, work himself to exhaustion to make a perfect film, ignore the automatic ridicule from critics, work endlessly for months to get the word out, and finally come out with a profit - all for Hollywood to call it a fluke and throw his next project out the window.

And in beauty's world this system is perfectly fair.

remember what i said about absolutes?

thanks for fortifying that point.

then change my mind

You've given me no reason to believe any different. There was no nuanced, thoughtful approach coming from you. Your original posts read something like "oh well Gibson was rich enough to do it so it got done." If my above post is not your position then you need to articulate that.

it takes way more than tons

it takes way more than tons of money to survive entertainment industry back-stabbing and undermining - Hollywood makes the mafia look like amatuers - check out "Get Shorty" sometime:)

they even admit it themselves

Nothing wrong with Mel

Nothing wrong with Mel taking a risk

just that you will obviously never understand how big of a risk it was - which was my original statement in the first place:)

and it wasn't just $$$ he was risking

films are major collaborative efforts

Mel was on his own for most of the Passion - until it was demonstrated that there was a vast market - then a few others jumped on board for distro 

Warner

Nobody is a bigger defender of free speech than I am. I will defend someones right to say something, that I strongly oppose with my life if need be.

People have the right to make whatever movies they want to make whether it is about the war, gay rights, pornography, global warming etc.

This is a free market. Liberal talk radio does not make money because they have not found a strategy that works and they are cash strapped. I don't see you saying talk radio is blocking the idealology of liberals :-)

Again...if conservatives want to make conservative movies,  nobody is stopping them from opening up their own studio and having their own distributors. Free market is considered capitalism right?

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

shawn - the films get

shawn - the films get made

they can't get distribution or promo - due to ideological blacklisting

can't get to the market in other words - barred from the marketplace by the liberal mafia

TM

The Passion of the Christ did not seem to have that problem. Yes Mel financed the movie.

Again TM. If there is a market for conservative movies, nobody is stopping them from opening up their own distribution company.

It just might work, look at FOX News. I'm not a very big fan, but they are the number 1 rated news network, because that is channel of choice for conservatives and MSNBC and CNN have to fight over the liberal viewers

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

Shawn, did you not read

Shawn, did you not read that the established distribution companies would not release the film, and Mel had to start his own production and distribution company to release "Passion Of The Christ"??

It had exactly that problem.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

I did read Bass

....and that is why i am saying conservatives should open up more of their own distribution networks. Instead of being like Air America and whining about conspirisy, do something about it.

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

we are trying and libs

we are trying

and libs are trying to block it with legislation

Shawn look it up

Mel could not get major distribution - sony, disney, anyone - to promo and move the product - that's a plain and simple fact

Mel could not get major promo - Today, GMA - they fought the film tooth and nail

Mel had to take it tons of this work all upon himself personally - this is something lefties like Spielberg, etc never have to do...

The Passion proved there was a huge market - despite all out efforts from the HW mafia to stop the film - it would probably have grossed 2 or 3 times as much $$$ in the first year of release without all of the liberal resistence

FOX news is not film distro - and Murdoch still has the liberal mafia out to get him at every turn - they even try to get government legislation to put him out of business - same deal with clear channel (conservative radio)

 I will defend someones

 I will defend someones right to say something, that I strongly oppose with my life if need be.

You can prove that by joining the military. That is exactly what they do.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

what a load of bunk

there is a list of movies in the opening of this thread which were all made with very little money.

liberals conspire to suppress conservative movies?! ha ha.

WTH you should be writing comedy. 

suppressing half the country.... >chuckle< 

it's undeniable as long

it's undeniable

as long as your head stays out of your ass:)

liberals conspire to

liberals conspire to suppress conservative movies  ABP are you saying suppression of any kind does not happen on a massive scale if the masses do not rise up and defeat it.  I guess in the 60's the argument you just made was teh same your kind used when they tried to block the civil rights laws from being passed.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

what??

i don't know if you think you know what i think i said. but my argument has you thinking that you thought my thoughts were about... whatever....

just nuke me and shoot me. it would be less painful that trying to figure out that question. (it sounded like a question but i saw no question mark).

simplify, try not to make it a leading question and i'll try to answer it for you. 

Shawn I disagree

In theory your idea sounds great, but in real practice it's much, much harder than you presume.

Conservative film makers are not simply up against lib producers -they must take on the entire establishment. The Passion of the Christ, One Night with the King, and several others were funded through private resources not linked to Hollywood. Even then, the films were given bad reviews almost unanimously, the actors were attacked and belittled as cheesy amateurs, and promoters had a hard time convincing theaters to give them a few screens.

And then, despite the financial success these films often achieve, Hollywood is no more persuaded to invest in them. Big name actors still refuse to take part in them. Producers still refuse to read the scripts. When the Veggie Tales opened their second major theater release the NYT had never even heard of them and accused "the pirates who don't do anything" of being an attempt to steal the pirates of the carribean - even though the Veggie Tales came up with their pirates first.

As a freelance writer I see the massive resistance religious works go up against. 

Right Candance and you reminded me about Indoctrinate U

That was blocked and couldn't get shown most places. It's finally out on DVD (has been for a few months) and Netflix won't carry it. They carry really obscure stuff and it's outrageous that they are not carrying this.

If there are any Netflix members here - please put in a request for it. I did.

I think I'm going to buy it from their Web site - but please people -request it if you belong so I can rate it.

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Dee is on track

When Netflix and Blockbuster refuse to offer a film on video - when Yahoo refuses to put it on their movie page - when Regal Cinemas won't give them enough screens - when the media writes a condemning review about a franchise they've never heard of...you can spend all the money you like but you can't force people to take it.

Air America was given a fair shot in the way conservie playwrites only dream of.

libs overwhelmingly

libs overwhelmingly run entertainment distribution and promotion - and absolutely refuse to give conservative productions a fair chance at the market - we probably will have to build our own - there's now Murdoch's Newscorp (owns Fox TV and Searchlight pictures now) and Clear Channel (live venues) - and notice how the libs are trying to outlaw these via the FCC, anti-trust and other government measures - entertainment is how they control the people...

candance

Your right conservatives have it harder that libs. NB has taught me that. The thing is, sometmes you have to suck it up even if the odds are against you.

Farenheight 911 for example. Disney refused to support it after backlash from conservatives. They found a way and it made a ton of money just like the Passion of the Christ.

As far as bad reviews go, that cannot be helped, but I find word of mouth usually is what makes a move. If people like the film, then the movie makes money

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

we mostly agree

 sometmes you have to suck it up even if the odds are against you.  

That was the only point Warner was making in his article, that Hollywood has the odds stacked conservies.  

They found a way and it made a ton of money just like the Passion of the Christ.  

And then guess what happened - Hollywood set to making an endless stream of anti war movies with headline actors and glowing reviews. The Passion's success was met with disdain and labeled a "one in a million" success story, a fluke, not something worth an investment down the road.

"That was the only point

"That was the only point Warner was making in his article, that Hollywood has the odds stacked conservies"

It is also the trait of conservatives to adapt and make the most of a situation right? Unless I can steal  wi-fi connecton from my uncles cabin, I'll talk to you in a couple of days. Have a good one.

Some folks can dish it out but cannot take it

Disney WANTED to do the

Disney WANTED to do the deal - that's the difference

When Mel showed up with the Passion they couldn't abide a pro-conservative production

it's judgemental predjudice against conservatives - Disney and the others have a liberal agenda to promote first and foremost

Hollywood is dying a slow, painful death.

I predict that within 10 years, it will no longer be anything other than a tourist stop for greying entertainment history buffs and a haven for out-of-work and retired former actor/has-beens.

And it isn't just Hollywood's rigid ideology that is killing it, either, although I think that is certainly part of it.

I mean, we just had a writer's strike. Did anyone (other than Shawn-lol) really notice? Now there are rumors of a possible actor's strike. Will anybody even care?

The movies essentially suck, the TV shows suck, and most of the people out there who pass for "stars" belong in a circus freak show. Most of them are famous for just, well, being famous, and not much else to speak of.

Not only that, but there are numerous alternatives available today that weren't around before. Cable, mack-daddy home theaters, the internet, X-Boxes, and a ton of other things.

Young people in this country are no-longer reading books, either. Their attention spans are getting much shorter-too short to follow along for a two-hour feature film.

I'd say Hollywood has pretty much out-lived its usefulness, and those that are left are going to be fighting over an ever diminishing number of crumbs.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

agreed RD

It's getting harder and harder to enjoy television on a daily basis. There was once a particular show I found that was very well written and well made. Then all of a sudden in the third season they decided to go political. They made an episode that featured a villain named Hal E. Burton. A few years later, that same network ran a show in which a villain worked for a company called Bushwell.

Thier politics are soo deeply ingrained in them that it just feels like common sense to include them in their products.

I find myself watching TV less and less all the time.

Hollywood and TV

Most movies today stink. Why is it that 99% of "stars" are complete wastes of skin? I truly don't understand our culture's fascination with celebrity.

I find TV programs and commercials even worse than the movies. Try this experiment: watch the TV for an entire evening (if you can take it) and count how many times a male is depicted as remotely intelligent or competent in any way. I guaranty you won't need more than one hand. Males are almost universally portrayed as incompetents, losers, slackers, sexists, criminals, etc. Women, on the other hand, are intelligent, competent, kind, trustworthy, problem-solvers, etc. It's a wonderful message we hammer our young boys with day after day.

This begs a very simple

This begs a very simple question. If America doesn't like the politics of Hollywood, why is it that Americans consistently vote for Hollywood's picks of political candidates? This is perhaps the greatest single irony today in this country.

"Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." Acts 16:31

we do...?

we do...?

War Inc.

For all the hub bub of War Inc and that idiot John Douchack I looked it up.  $515,000.  And was released on DVD July 1.  Nice.

 Link: http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2008/WARNC.php

Amazing.