Media Celebrates Successful U.S. Military Recruitment Stats? Not Really!

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The Armed Forces Press Service issued a press release on Thursday morning, July 10, in celebration of the fact that the U.S. military has had 13 consecutive months of meeting and/or exceeding recruitment goals. Sadly, the media stayed sullenly quite all day, taking no notice of the success of our military on OR off the field.

Regardless of the fact that the media ignored the good news, there is good news, indeed.

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The June recruiting and retention figures reflect recruiters’ hard work and young people’s continued willingness to step up and serve, Lainez said. The Army signed up 9,365 new soldiers in June, 101 percent of its 9,250-soldier goal. The Marine Corps recruited 4,531 Marines, topping its monthly goal of 3,934 recruits by 15 percent. The Navy met its goal of 4,209 sailors, and the Air Force brought in 2,203 airmen, six recruits over its June goal.

The numbers for the reserves and National Guard were also strong and retention also rolled on a pace.

Of course, when the media does bother to report on military recruitment being up they still have to focus on the supposed "unpopularity" of the war even as they report that the military seems to have little trouble making their recruitment goals.

So what about that "unpopular war," anyway? Isn't it affecting the armed services?

"There were concerns about how today’s fight would affect retention, and yet, retention has been as strong as any period in our history,” he (Bill Carr, deputy undersecretary of defense for military personnel and policy) said on the all-volunteer force’s 35th anniversary. “Volunteers want to serve; their performance is strong, their behaviors are strong, and their discipline is high."

So, the big question is: where are the media on this?

Well, the answer would be that the media are in the same place on reporting healthy recruiting goals being easily met by the U.S. military as they are reporting on the incredible successes seen in Iraq. Consistently silent.

The media are obviously so out to discredit the U.S. military that they refuse to even report the news.

(Photo credit: CBSnews)


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Maybe the military can task

Maybe the military can task some of their recruits to infiltrate the media. They seem to be the enemy after all.

Sweet!

I would be willing to head up that task force.  

enemies - both foreign and

enemies - both foreign and domestic:)

all this US Military success is indeed very bad news for Democrats

they've been working so hard these last 8 years to hamper US mil efforts - all to seemingly no permanent avail...

these democrat "patriots" need some cheering up, dangit...

what's the Iraq death toll up to now?

Enemies is the correct term

I was debating with my wife the other day and I said the exact same thing.  The DIMs do want us to lose.  They truly are the enemy.  To think we fought a Revolution over less than the agenda put forth by the DIMs. 

http://thelazytriathlete.blogspot.com/

winning the WOT would

winning the WOT would indeed be very bad for dems and their AQ soul-mates

interesting strategy - i guess...?

   I was offended when I

   I was offended when I saw the link on Drudge that California was going to ask for federal troops to help fight their wildfires.  Well..... isn't this the state that has a lot of 'anti-military' protests that have been trying to shut down and shout down military recruiters?  I say put shovels and fire hoses in the hands of the code pinko's and the other crazies and let them fight their own fires.

(sub)Human Torches

Great concept, but not practical Mid...

The Benjamin crew's tutus, glitter and feather boas are HIGHLY FLAMMABLE 

 Hmm, that sounds even

 Hmm, that sounds even more appealing

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

The beauty of it is that we

The beauty of it is that we WILL go to California if ordered.  Men and
women who wear the flag will swap their rifles for hoses and fight to
save the people and property threatened by the fire.  This will be done
in spite of the anti-military attitude in California. We protect all
Americans.  Even the douchebags.

That is simply the measure of our character.

And that character is to be commended...

Hoorah!

i'd love to see the marketing budget

strangely absent from the public relations press release are the numbers for how much money the military spends on all those slick ads. if anyone has those numbers, please post them. i'd appreciate it.

really beauty

I love the way you don't address the actual point of the articles you read here but instead try to find some distraction to complain about.

That's like saying national employment numbers are tainted by money wasted on HR. It simply makes no sense.

a distraction?

ummm maybe you have deep pockets and want to spend all your hard earned money financing the military machine, but not everyone does.

this isn't some profitable company that simply needs to beef up its staff numbers, its the tool some people use because they are incapable of solving problems without shooting, exploding and demolishing things.

AND there is no profit. the country's infrastructure, educational system, care for the elderly, sick (including war veterans) etc, is all hamstrung because tax $ are funneled into things like increased budgets for recruiting. (i am not even going to get into the tactics used by recruiters.)

there is no reason to celebrate.

So all of us who serve (or

So all of us who serve (or have served) were simply 'taken in' by some recruiter?  None of us are there on our own accord, for our own reasons?  Did you seriously just imply that the troops are so simple-minded as to have been duped by a recruiter, thus explaining the 13 consecutive months of exceed recruitment goals?

nope did not.

don't put words in my mouth.

but if you are suggesting that a five-fold increase in marketing has nothing to do with inciting people to sign up, then you are not connecting the dots.

standards right now, are clearly lower than they have ever been. efforts have never been greater. 

and i'm not going to bother to answer your leading question. 

here's another sad reality that no one here has considered: scary economy, increased joblessness = more recruit applications. 

It was a question, not a

It was a question, not a statement, but I appreciate the answer.

As to your idea that more recruits are swearing in because of the 'shambles' in which the economy finds itself, I'd point you to the study showing that today's recruits are better educated and wealthier than their civilian counterparts.  

http://www.heritage....

I'm absolutely convinced an increased marketing budget will have a positive impact on recruiting numbers.  I am not, however, even close to convinced that marketing by itself can explain the steady meeting of goals over more than a year.

dude, it's the kool

dude, it's the kool aid

his odds of recovery are not good

but thank you for trying anyway

The five fold increase in

The five fold increase in necessary simply to remain on par with the hatespeech coming out of the MSM and Hollywierd.

 

Five-fold increase in

Five-fold increase in marketing? Where did that little 'fact' come from?

A few minutes previously you just said "if anyone has those (marketing) numbers, please post them."

You're either an amazingly fast researcher or fabricating-on-the-fly.

Actually

Actually we don't spend nearly enough on the military. We should never, ever spend less than 10% of GNP. War OR peace.

Justification?

WMEAT (state.gov)

Please provide a coherent

Please provide a coherent comment.  Simply posting a link does not tell me what you are thinking.

When I know what you are thinking we will be able to start the debate.

this isn't some profitable

this isn't some profitable company that simply needs to beef up its staff numbers, its the tool some people use because they are incapable of solving problems without shooting, exploding and demolishing things.

Sigh!  As if the world is full of people skipping with baskets in one hand and a daisy in the other singing joyfully.  Reality Check - some tall buildings in NYC are no longer there!  Compliments of your daisy carrying friends al Qaeda.  The reality is jihad is a murderous ideology embraced by gun toating thugs and fanatics willing to blow themselves up all in order that you and me should bow to their god and worship in the manner they proscribe.  Anyone not complying with their demands will be killed.  The reality is al Qaeda setting off bombs in the public market killing Sunnis and Shiites alike and is passed off as "collateral damage".  Their songs are not of peace and tolerance but hateful rants of "Death to America".   Denial maybe a way to for your mind to cope with things it can't handle but then you shouldn't be getting in the way or detracting from those who can handle reality.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

 Please, remind me of the

 Please, remind me of the last time your group solved a problem, with or without fire arms.

Your little rant is about as enlighting as a brick, congrats.

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

every time leaders sit down and talk...

... a war may have been averted. every time people come together to better understand each other, war is averted. no war is unquantifiable. duh. 

why it even needs to be said speaks volumes of some people's inability to envision. 

Nice panacea

Nice panacea, would you like a drink with that order?

Unfortunately for you, your claim of diplomatic fantasy rarely works. So, no, NOT "every time leaders sit down and talk" is war averted. In fact, damn FEW times is that ever the case.

So, thank you for your foolish, utopian peace-in-our-times gobbeldegook.

Warner, I think Beauty

Warner, I think Beauty should recall a little history.

Probably the most famous: "Peace in Our Time!" 

Equally successful: "North Korea."

Appeasers always meet with such great success.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Ok beauty, we will leave it

Ok beauty, we will leave it to you. You go and talk to Osama and smooth things out for us. But dont lose your head in the process.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

You are showing a notion of

You are showing a notion of diplomacy that is peculiar to western Democratic nations liberal population.  That being somehow negotiation in an of itself is worthy.

Most other nations do not view  things this way.

Every time a tyrant sits in a peace conference, another opportunity to free his people is wasted.

"every time leaders sit down

"every time leaders sit down and talk..."

Homicidal despots and maniacs are NOT "leaders"... they're just that.

duh. 

there is no reason to

there is no reason to celebrate.

Why not.  Young people having enough social conscience to join an organization that swears to defend their nation is ALWAYS A REASON TO CELEBRATE.

ummm maybe you have deep pockets and want to spend all your hard earned money financing the military machine, but not everyone does.

I do not have deep pockets, but I rather have the money spent on the "military Machine" than in a self destructive "Social Machine" that breaks up families and holds US Citizens in financial bondage.

Which do you think we have spent more money on, the War in Iraq? Or the war on poverty?

its the tool some people use because they are incapable of solving problems without shooting, exploding and demolishing things.

Is it your assertion that diplomacy

a. Always works,

b. SOmetimes works,

c. Rarely works?

AND there is no profit.

The stability that comes from the nations security allows for profit.

the country's infrastructure, educational system, care for the elderly, sick (including war veterans) etc, is all hamstrung because tax $ are funneled into things like increased budgets for recruiting.

Boy, do you NOT know how the federal government works.  I remember back in the 70's seeing those great bumper stickers "Wouldn't it be great if the schools had everything they needed and the military had to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber." Nonsense.

Questions for you. 

How many students has the Department of Education ever successfully instructed?

If the patient count of the VA was halved over the course of ten years, should their budget actually increase in real dollars adjusted for inflation?

(i am not even going to get into the tactics used by recruiters.)

Please do, I cannot wait for THAT debate.

your bias is showing

maybe you have deep pockets and want to spend all your hard earned money financing the military machine, but not everyone does.

I don't like wasting my money on failing government schools, free birth control, keeping NPR on the air, or funding the DNC convention, but that's what happens when we live in a democracy.

its the tool some people use because they are incapable of solving problems without shooting, exploding and demolishing things.

Translation: I'm a pacifist who thinks the military has no right to exist, so I'm going to criticize it no matter what.

 the country's infrastructure, educational system, care for the elderly, sick (including war veterans) etc, is all hamstrung because tax $ are funneled into things like increased budgets for recruiting.

Ah yes, the old "we could all have free healthcare if we weren't in Iraq."

If you're really and truly concerned about government waste you need to look at places where money is actually wasted. Here are a few examples:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/14/meatball.justice/index.html

http://www.bi-bestpractices.com/view-cases/4774

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/health/20080710-9999-1n10health.html

 

So before you go on a rant about money wasted on the military I suggest you do some homework.

Oh, and if you'd like to continue to insinuate that we don't have the money for infrastructure, please get some facts about exactly how much money the state of MN had in excess of their budget, and how every dime of the profit was promised to special projects even as they blamed the bridge collapse on Bush. The MSM did a real fine job of hiding that story so "educated" people like you can sit around blaming it on the military.

 

Good examples of waste Candance

here are some more

Disability fakers cost $10 billion

Medicare Fraud Costs Billions each year

Earmarks Cost taxpayers 63 billion in 2006

We could go on and on with billions more in examples.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Peace keepers

I was in Pakistan when the Taliban took over Afganistan.  I was scared to death most of the time.  I remember one time I was sick and waiting for my group to come back to our building, I was on the top bunk, afraid to breath because someone might hear me.  My group was over 2 hours late comming back.  I also remember going to someone's house with a group of women to pick up some clothes we had made for us.  The man there liked me, told everyone to leave and made me stay.  He started to gather his things and had someone bring me tea and was ready to lead me out of the home and into his car...probably to disapear forever.  I was 19, I did not speak Urdu, I had no idea where the consolate was, I had no means to protect myself and I was there teaching.  I had heard about a 12 year old girl who showed up in a hospital, pregnant and unable to speak.  She was kidnapped when she was 7.  Not everywhere is free and safe.  The people who made the world unsafe are not content to stay where they are.  They are comming for us, for our children, for everything we hold dear and they aim to destroy it.  Our armed population and our military not only keeps us safe, but frees people from their grasp.  Say what you want about our military, but they are the real peacekeepers.  The women of Afganistan were not freed by a sit-in.  The women and children and men of Europe were not freed by a concert.  The Jews were not rescued through negotiations.  Blessed are the peacekeepers.  I know who they are, they wear a red, white, and blue flag on their uniforom every day.

"Always remember that you are unique.  Just like everybody else." --despair.com

Amber

Thanks for sharing some of your story, wow. 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Hey Beauty.  Here's a

Hey Beauty.  Here's a little experiment we can perform together in the real world.  We'll go to East LA.  We'll each take a $100 bill and fold it long-ways and put it in our shirt pockets.  Then you can take your bunch of flowers and I'll take my shotgun and we'll start down the street.  I'll bet you the $100 that I'll make it further down the street than you.  The shotgun is the thing that will determine who gets attacked first.  I probably won't have to use it, but knowing I have it will influenece any thugs.  Someone may end up with my $100 and my shotgun, given the sad state of affairs in our country today, but it take a fight and my shotgun will be empty.  When you decide to defend yourself, those flowers aren't going to be much of a deterient.  The military that safeguards the interests of our country, at great personal sacrifice, isn't some nice-to-have accessory, but a vital component in keeping the wolf at bay.  We wouldn't have an educational system or infrastructure to maintain without them.  You may not be able to see it through those rose-colored glasses, but the rest of the world contains a lot of bad people who look at what we have here with envy.   When you put your children to bed in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, have them say a little prayer of thanks to that military willing to put their lives on the line for us at a current rate of compensation nowhere close to what they deserve.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

PS.  Eisenhower came back

PS.  Eisenhower came back from WWII, having seen the effectiveness of Germany's highway system in their war effort, and with the need to be able to move troops around a country 3000 miles wide and 1000 miles deep quickly in times of crisis.  He started the interstate highways system, an important cog of your infrastructure, to aid that mobility requirement, not primarily to make it easier for ABP to drive to Grandma's house. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Giles: Please refrain

Giles:

Please refrain from simply posting links as it is a waste of time in the battle ground for ideas.

Your first link does not post.

Your second link reminds me how under control our military is in comparison to all others in the world for the past 2000 years.  Only the US Army would stand by and allow a long haired flake to position a flower in the barrel of their weponry.  I guarantee any other Army would have shot the crowd in front of it.

The link to the burning Budhist monk is an unusual selection.  Did you post it to remind us that only in a free country is someone capable of setting themselves on fire without threat of consequense to thier companions?  I Also guaranteee you that all such protests held in Vietnam post '75 did not have as happy an outcome - and in fact family and freinds of protestors simply "Disappear.".  In fact, please look to the Tienamen Square for best examples. 

Your recruitment links do not read. 

Please refrain from simply posting links as it is a waste of time in the battle ground for ideas.

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Actually, National Guard.

Actually, National Guard.  But then, there was Kent State.... (and that's 'long hair'?)

Tienamen Square ( or Tiananmen Square)  is in China, different country, different basis for protest, and I think the iconic image from that is a single man stopping the line of tanks. So, I'm unclear on the point you're attempting to make about 'consequense to thier companions'.

Links work fine, thanks for trying them. Both discuss recruiter techniques and ploys, educationg HS kids on their rights. Oddly you don't mention Eyes Wide Open.

Actually, National Guard. 

Actually, National Guard.  But then, there was Kent State.... (and that's 'long hair'?)

Actually, the picutre of the protester placing the flower in the barrel of the rifle if memory serves is fromthe protest at the Pentagon and the troops involved were from the 3rd US Infantry.

Reference the Kent State abberation.  Heap enough abuse on any group and formations become unpredictable.  For quite a while the Angelic Kent State Protestors abused the Troosp who responded.  Not an excuse in total, but the protestors were not totally innocent either.

Kent State was an abberation.  In general, US police and military troops generally acquitted themsselves MARVELOUSLY during the Vietnam phase of our nations history (And I will even say the Democratic Convention in '68 was approriate action). 

Best example I can think of involved the ROTC detachments on many campuses.  THose soldiers who saw their offices siezed by protestors and simply walked away while personnal possessions were vandalized deserve a far greater respectt than the dirty long haired "children" who siezed them.

Years ago I worked at a campus in Nebraska thats ROTC Building still showed the signs of the treatment it received by the "Children" who occuppied it.

Tienamen Square ( or Tiananmen Square)  is in China, different country, different basis for protest, and I think the iconic image from that is a single man stopping the line of tanks.

Yep, they hauled him away, never to be seen again as far as I can remember.  Ahhh, the enlightened Communists, right?

So, I'm unclear on the point you're attempting to make about 'consequense to thier companions'.

When was the last time a protestor in the US had to seriously worry (Not worry based on Marijuana paranoia, but really WORRY) that the US Army was going to show up at the door of their parents or childrens house and arrest them based on the actions of the protestor?

DId the US troops seize the rest of the monks and begin torturing them based on the actions of the monk who immolated himself?  NOOOOOO......

But most of the countries we face DO actoins such as that.  (See Iraq, Iran, China, Burma, North Korea, etc)

Links work fine, thanks for trying them

Nope, still out of whack.

Both discuss recruiter techniques and ploys, educationg HS kids on their rights.

Yep, they have rights.  They also have responsibilities. 

Oddly you don't mention Eyes Wide Open.

Please summarize.

BD eyes wide open

is a 720 million dollar propaganda campaign emphasising the human cost of the the war.  It speaks not to any relevant factors which make military action necessary.  Based on my experience with actual troops in the middle east, they know the human cost much more personnally than Giles here and THEY SUPPORT THE MISSION.  What Giles doesn't get is we didn't start this but we do need to finish it.

Maybe with Giles-thought we should have ceded the west coast to Hirohito after Pearl Harbor to avoid the human cost?

In the End, God will Speak   

Totally foolish statement...

...one key element of the charter of the US Government (you know, that entity that taxes us to death) is to protect and serve We the People. This means funding the military by the very taxes you don't want to go to the "military machine". Educate yourself before you post here erasing all doubt that you are a fool.

These same tax dollars were NOT supposed to be "wasted" on all the entitlement programs that the charlatan politicians (and those who think like you) champion day in and day out.

 

“The world is a dangerous

“The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it.” - Albert Einsten, speaking of people like abeautifulperson.

The U.S. Government's top priority, as is the Commander-in-Chief's, is to protect the country. The U.S. Government is not responsible for funding your socialist views of a Utopian society.

You remarked "some people are incapable of solving problems without shooting, exploding and demolishing things." Tell that to the terrorists.

It just warms my heart that

It just warms my heart that people like you are paying my mortgage, my kid's education, my farm, my sheep, my vacations...thanks a million.  I especially liked the last 2 tax free years you all gave my family.  Paid off the truck with that.  But please, let my husband do the job you all are paying him for. 

Oh, and did you know that in the off time of the military personel in Iraq, many of the medics volunteer to run free clinics for Iraqis.  Since Sadam decimated their hospitals to fund his mansions and his son's raping and murdering lifestyles they have not had good medical care and their hospitals do not have the medicine they need.  Thankfully the American soldiers and their families search out medication to send them for their clinics (can not use to troop medication, it all has to be donated).  We also build schools and orphanges and the smiles on those kids faces when they received brand new crayons and a new notebook and markers and glue and colored penciles and backpacks all donated by military families and those who love them...priceless.  The military families and troops make sure what we send them for the people get in the right hands and not to some tribal leader who will hold it hostage and not in some UN leader's son's hands to play with... Oh, and did I mention we kill bad guys too?  lots of them. 

Minnesota Army National Guard Family, full time, and damn proud of it.

"Always remember that you are unique.  Just like everybody else." --despair.com

Read the Constitution

"ummm maybe you have deep pockets and want to spend all your hard earned money financing the military machine, but not everyone does."

Read the Constitution, will ya? The Constitution REQUIRES Congress: “To raise and support Armies” and ‘To provide and maintain a Navy.” Part of the method of raising and supporting armies and navies is the process of RECRUITMENT, which is much better than a draft, wouldn't you agree?! That requires funds, does it not?

Since it is well documented that America needs it’s military more than it needs it‘s diplomats (remember Dec.7, 1942? That‘s what happens when diplomacy fails) it behooves us to fund recruitment of the military.

If you have any complaints, I suggest you bring them up with the Founding Fathers as they understood the need for a well-funded, well-equipped, and well-trained military.

some interesting statistics on military recruitment...

max enlistment age raised from 35 to 42

percentage of recruits with high school diploma has dropped by almost 20% to just over 70%

# of waivers granted to army recruits with criminal backgrounds has increased 65% between 2003-2006 

in 2003, the budget for recruitment was $4bn

in 2008, the budget for recruitment was $20.5bn

that's over a 510% increase

tell me, at what point should we celebrate this?

 

sources: 

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080602/mcduffee 

http://www.nytimes.c...

how far will army recruiters go http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/02/eveningnews/main692497.shtml 

  Educational

 

Educational Requirements

Success in any branch of the Military depends on a good education, and a high school diploma is most desirable. Candidates with a GED (General Education Development certificate) can enlist, but some Services may limit opportunities. It is very difficult to be considered a serious candidate without either a high school diploma or accepted alternative credential. In any case, staying in school is important for entering the Military.

 

Yea ok, anything you say

http://todaysmilitary.com/before-serving/entrance-requirements?=gmilitaryrequirements

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

abeautifulperson....please....

We all know your not cerebral enough to understand the need for a military. But it is a fact that there has been one from the beginning of this country, and will continue to be. Your little quote from thenation, (left left wing there), are construed. The crimminal backgrounds are minor, (HS students throwing eggs). You have more than likely engaged in some of the same crimes your refering to. A speeding ticket requires a waiver.

And as for your infering that the military provides no benefit to this country or its people, you have no idea what your talking about. The very fact that you can sit there, all safe and secure, and say that is proof that the military has provided a benefit. Even to you.

As for the age limit, if they would up it a few more years, I would go back, again. But I am sure you would not understand that.

You people that have never, will never, could never or would never serve are pretty much worthless, in my view. You sit around and suck up all the goverment give aways you can, sit in the security the military has provided over the years, and whine.

Edit: BTW, the military education level is still higher than the general populus. All military personel aquire their GED while a member of the Armed Forces.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

that's all the time i have for now.

but thanks for sharing. its really enlightening andhelps me to understand the conservative american psyche.

have a terrific weekend. 

Run away! Run

Run away! Run away!

Cannot defend my positions...

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Bass, She probably had to

Bass, She probably had to go because of a medical condition: her heart was bleeding.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

LOL Hunter. The profile

LOL Hunter. The profile sayes it is a male in his 40's. Long drawn out ramble. But you may be right, if he is in Cal. Mass. or NY.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

seriously beauty

I'm half tempted to just stop replying to you altogether. It's the same story on every thread: you start an argument, make vague accusations, and then disappear as soon you're given a comprehensive rebuttal. That's the definiton of a troll my friend.

Very good Grasshopper, very

Very good Grasshopper, very good...

Trolls hurl assertions and accusations, intelligent people present and exchange ideas in a discussion.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

thought i'd peek in one last time before the weekend

guys guys guys...

just because i don't have all day to be insulted doesn't mean i don't love you all.

this site needs dissenting opinions. but i don't have all day to debate this. i've said some valid points. i disagree with a good percentage of what was said. i don't feel the military machine is completely useless but is being used very badly by an inept administration and there have been many enemies created because of it.

i'd love to jabber about this all day and all night (actually not, i do put a time limited on this site), but work and family calls. so have a terrific weekend.  

 

 and there have been many

 and there have been many enemies created because of it.

 Such as?

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Valid points? I disagree, I

Valid points? I disagree, I saw no valid points made by you.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Once again, you are correct.

Once again, you are correct. This website does need dissenting opinions. Unfortunately, you are ill-equipped for the task. Not an insult towards you; just stating the obvious.

what we need

this site needs dissenting opinions

What we really need is someone who can articulate dissenting opinions with vigor - not someone who starts a debate and then wanders off in the middle of it. Some lefties thrive here, like Balboa and Shawn, because they contend for their views.

In other words, invest the time to defend yourself or don't bother starting an argument.

i've said some valid points.

What valid points? Insinuations about poor infrastructure that were never explained? Asking for stats and then providing your own at random?

You actually think the military is useful? Glad to have that nailed down somewhere.

You make some great points.

You make some great points. I, too, do see the folly of uneducated petty criminals having the chance to do something positive with their lives. That's just plain silly.

Leave it to

Leave it to Beav..er...Roger...:-)

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Right Bass ABP uses selective satistics with an agenda

The recruits with wavers only make up approx 11% and of those 11%, 90% of the wavers are for misdemeanors.

Of course it's harder to recruit in War time than in piece time. Duh! There are people who like to sign up strictly for the travel, job training and benefits during peace time. Maybe those type people should be weeded out in peace time, but I would think that would be impossible to discern. People like ABP think that the military should only be used for that (travel, job training and benefits for people who can't find other jobs). Sorry but that's not the purpose of the military.

The military wouldn't need nearly as large of an advertising budget if it didn't have to combat the media bias. If APB cares about the recruiting dollars spent then she'd be better of complaining to the media about their coverage. As it is, the recruits go in knowing the absolute worse picture created by the media. They have both sides of the story. People like APB hate that. They want them to only have one side.

 

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Do you think Beauty will

Do you think Beauty will protest BHO's expanded civilian corps, which is expected to have an equivalent cost? 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Great point Hunter - APB

will love that program because it's consistent with socialism. Give all these people jobs (cushy jobs with better benefits than most people) with the major goal of getting more people hooked on Government. The more people forced to rely on the Government for their livelihood the better for these people. That's socialism.

 

"Constantly attacking (peaceful) religions rather than politely sharing your own shows lack of faith " DB

Something about that

Something about that program makes me very nervous.  If it is expanded, I'll bet you a steak dinner that in a few years we'll discover a scandal where the federally-funded "volunteers" are out there campaigning for the latest liberal. 

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last."  - Sir Winston Churchill

Oh really?

 

"It has also increased the number of so-called “moral waivers” to
recruits with criminal pasts, even as the total number of recruits
dropped slightly. The sharpest increase was in waivers for serious
misdemeanors, which make up the bulk of all the Army’s moral waivers
.
These include aggravated assault, burglary, robbery and vehicular
homicide.

The number of waivers for felony convictions also increased, to 11
percent of the 8,129 moral waivers granted in 2006, from 8 percent." (NYT )

The offenses you list are

The offenses you list are felony's.

I have yet to receive a felon to train here.

crimminal backgrounds are minor

Glad you can cite a source for that.......

"Recruits were allowed to enlist after having been convicted of crimes
including assault, burglary, drug possession and making terrorist
threats."

"But the Pentagon statistics showed the Army allowed 106 convicted
burglars to enlist in 2007, up from 36 the year before. It also granted
waivers to 43 recruits convicted of aggravated assault that year, up
from 33 a year before; and to 130 people convicted of possession of
drugs other than marijuana, a rise from 71 in 2006." (CNN)

" The Army is meeting its recruiting goals partly by accepting more
enlistees who lack high school diplomas, who have low scores on the
military's aptitude test or receive waivers for criminal and medical
problems.

Army documents obtained by NPR link the lowered
standards to a drop since November 2001 in the number of men interested
in joining up."( NPR -  Morning Edition Apr 2008)

"Applicants who have committed a single felony such as arson,
burglary, aggravated assault, breaking and entering, or marijuana
possession must also receive a moral waiver to join. Applicants with
more than one felony - or with a single conviction for a more serious
crime such as homicid