The 'Silence of Feminists' Over Michelle

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Charlotte Observer columnist Mary C. Curtis is in high dudgeon. She is all twisted up inside over the seeming lack of support that feminists have for Michelle Obama. She has decided to scold all those recalcitrant feminists, too. Yes, she's all upset over this thing wondering in her June 21 Washington Post op-ed, "Where are Obama's feminist defenders?" Curtis is even moaning that black women are second-class citizens, even with feminists. She is all in righteous indignation about the "The Loud Silence Of Feminists."

Curtis is agonizing over the fact that women aren't defending Michelle Obama. She imagines that feminists have failed women, specifically black women. Well, I agree at some point. Feminists have failed women, but the least of which is Michelle Obama. Not that Curtis seemed to notice, but feminists have indeed been silent on the treatment of women in the Muslim world. They have sat silent over forced weddings, beatings, female circumcision of children, rape, stoning and so-called honor killings going on not just in the Middle East, but in every western country that has a sizable Muslim population.

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Still, Curtis is only interested in Michelle Obama. She warms us up with some hagiography of Michelle.

Michelle Obama has become an issue in the presidential campaign even though she isn't running for anything. An educated, successful lawyer, devoted wife and caring mother has been labeled "angry" and unpatriotic and snidely referred to as Barack Obama's "baby mama."

As if Michelle, the angriest possible first lady ever, doesn't have the spine to defend herself? Of course, like most Democrats whining about how Michelle Obama is being treated, Curtis forgets that Michelle is the one that went out on the campaign trail forcefully asserting her own point of view in the first place. Also, like most left-wingers, Curtis then wants to shut down anyone who reacts to Obama's "baby mama" by calling them a racist for doing so. There’s no better way to stifle debate than to start calling everyone a racist!

Amusingly, Curtis goes on to inform us that the feminist movement never much cared for their black sisters in the first place.

I've long been frustrated, as a black woman and a feminist, with our national conversation. I didn't hear the cause speaking up for women of color or for women who have always worked in blue-collar or service jobs. Choice was not their issue.

Ah, yes, when it comes down to it, it isn't about feminism at all for Curtis. Like most of her media activist type, it's all about the racism. As she says, "But in America, there's seldom a cost for disrespecting black women."

I would laugh at this next line if I didn't think she was serious: "As a journalist, I have stayed neutral about political candidates." Well, maybe she has stayed clear of "political candidates," mostly because racism is her interest, not politics.

But all this whining and gnashing of teeth over how feminists are not supporting Michelle Obama is appalling in the end. You see, I am angry at feminists for their silence, too. They have universally remained utterly silent where REAL female oppression exists. Curtis might think that Michelle Obama is really oppressed and mistreated, but let's talk about the story of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Or perhaps if the feminists don't want to talk of an individual they can discuss how women as a group are mutilated by the  practice of female genital mutilation? How about the story of how girls born in England are rounded up and sent to the Middle East as child brides? Maybe these silent feminists might find somewhere in their souls the ability to get just a tad upset over the increasing practice of "honor killing" that has left young girls dead all throughout the Western world?

Where are the feminists with these issues? Not visible at all. Silence on real mistreatment of women is what we get from the feminists.

So, yes, I agree with Curtis. There is a "loud silence of feminists" but it isn't over something as silly and inconsequential as the pampered, fortunate life of Michelle Obama. Yes, there is silence, indeed, from the so-called feminists over real abuse and mistreatment of women in this world.

Too bad Mary C. Curtis is just as silent as the rest of them.

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We must unite and come to MO's aid

The only solution is a Million Michelle March on Washington.

Let's All Rise

Feminism is dead! Long live racism!

Feminism is dead! Long live racism!

Feminism is dead! Long live racism!

Feminism is dead! Long live racism!

Feminism is dead! Long live racism!

Feminism is dead! Long live racism!

Hey, if Osama Bama can play the race card...

Gee, first it was Osama Bama playing the race card along with his MSM henchmen. Now, it's Mary C. Curtis blubbering and boohooing that BLACK feminists aren't backing up po' little Michelle Osama Bama. Hey, if they can do it, why not "Miss Congeniality" - aka Naomi Campbell? Read on...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080621/ap_en_ot/people_naomi_campbell

What a freakin' left-coast, bleeding-heart, 'do as I say, not as I do' cop-out!  

Someone pass the pepto, please?

"Everything you know is wrong!" - Firesign Theatre

gt.... I heard about the

gt....

I heard about the Naomi BS...and that is just exactly what I think it is...that woman needs to do some serious time...before she maims or kills somebody.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Silence of the Feminists

Thank God!

The shreiking of the radical feminists is too much to take.

I like it, WTH....relcalcitrant feminists in high dudgeon and righteous indignation!  Perfect.   Keep them focused on poor Michelle (the baby mama) being dissed by the silent feminist majority.  Too funny, really.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Yeah Mary...they were

Yeah Mary...they were silent when Bill Clinton was Prez too...

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Silent while Slick Willy was in office?

BT,

I thought they were all hiding under his desk.

"Everything you know is wrong!" - Firesign Theatre

Hi gt... LOL! Yep,

Hi gt...

LOL!

Yep, Waiting in line on their hands and knees under there...just a wishin' and a hopin'....

Sickenin it all was, and still is.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

What say you Michelle----????

"My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my `blackness' than ever before... I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."

Regardless of how many times I have read this, it seems to me that Michelle Obama thinks of herself as black first and an American second.

Si, se puede!

Well that might have

Well that might have something to do with the fact that her parents and grandparents weren't really considered Americans. 

They had to be black first or they would have been nothing.

She didn't have the same rights as white Americans until she 4 or 5.

    ....and the democrat

    ....and the democrat party has never apologized for its racist policies of the past.

you're absolutely correct,

you're absolutely correct, but it's completely irrelevant to my comment.

Oh really?

And your (irrlevant) comment was that MO's parents weren't considered to be Americans.

What were they considered to be then Gingerboy?

I'm sure you'll be happy to enlighten us. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Second class citizens that

Second class citizens that didn't have equal rights.

Obviously.  Not sure why you're attacking my comment.  It's 100% accurate.

Would identify yourself by a country that treated you like an animal?

 I wouldn't.

Why don't you back that statement up?

Please, describe for me exactly how this happened to MO's parents:

Would identify yourself by a country that treated you like an animal?  

You've been frenetically dropping all kinds of unsubstantiated, um, stuff, here.  That's why.

Time to put up, or shut up.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

You're right Blonde.  I

You're right Blonde.  I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Forcing people to go to seperate schools, give up their seats on public transportation, drink from seperate water fountains, use seperate bathrooms - is not how you're supposed to treat a human being.  All of this is substantiated so I'm not sure where your unsubstantiated claim is coming from.

Are you claiming that prior to Civil Rights, black people were treated like full American citizens?  B/c if you are, I suggest you crack that history book back open.

Yes I am right

I didn't ask you for generalizations, Ginger Boy.

I asked you specifically about MO's parents.  Yet you blather on.

So....care to try again?

I didn't suggest one single thing, merely called bu****it on your talking point posts.

Put up or shut up, there fella.   BTW, don't try the old bait & switch on me.  I've kicked more trolls to the curb than you can possibly imagine.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde, Were her parents

Blonde,

Were her parents black?  If so than they were subjected to everything I listed above.

Nothing general about it.  EVERY black person prior to Civil Rights was treated like a second class citizen.

I'm perplexed by your argument.  I'm not sure how you can call well-known history a talking point.

Put up or shut up about what? 

No, no, no, Ginger Boy

You don't get to pose any questions until you have first answered the one one I posed to you.  Generalizations don't cut the mustard here, fella.

You were the one who started with how opressed MO's parents were, specifically and to wit, you said:

Second class citizens that didn't have equal rights.

Obviously.  Not sure why you're attacking my comment.  It's 100% accurate.

Would identify yourself by a country that treated you like an animal?

 ....and I asked you to concretely prove your statement.  So once again, and I'm typing really slowly this time so you'll be sure to understand the question, how were MO's parents specifically treated like animals?  No can do, hmmmm?

Put up or shut up about THAT, Ginger Boy. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde, You keep

Blonde,

You keep repeating yourself.  I've already answered your question.  If you want to pretend that all black people weren't treated like second class citizens prior to Civil Rights, than I can't help you.

You want a concrete example.   M.O.'s parents went to segregated schools.

There you go.  Concrete example. 

This belligerent repeat the same question over and over even after it's been answered style is reminiscint of my hyperactive 8 year old nephew.

Whine on, Ginger Boy

Nooooo, you haven't given me a concrete example of how MO's parents were "treated like animals". Sorry, going to segregated schools doesn't qualify.

You haven't proven a thing except you are obtuse, a spouter of talking points, and reading impaired, to boot.

I'll keep repeating my question to you until you answer it, or admit that you can't without gross generalizations. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde, You are

Blonde,

You are helpless.  I gave you an example.  Keep on shouting, I'm sure you'll go far.

Or are you contesting my example?  M.O.'s parents weren't forced to go to a segregated school?  Hmmm.  They were way ahead of their time I guess.

I am helpless?

Oh....that is rich!

Well you are certainly confused.  Your thrashing about is amusing, too. 

You're the one who made an outlandish statement, and then can't back it up with one concrete shred of evidence....merely posting (and reposting, ad infinitum) sweeping generalizations.

You'll know when I'm shouting, there fella. 

My posts will be in caps. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Go Blonde!

You squashed that gnat. Good job.

THanks Dee,

There are an abundance of little annoying things around lately....in Florida, we call the little biting critters....no'see'ums.

I just get seriously tired of having these twits make outlandish statements here, and expect them to go unchallenged.  And then when they are CHALLENGED....they try to change the topic.  Circular arguments.

Nuff said.  One less annoying poster...I bet the red headed gnome doesn't show up again for a while. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Gingerboy, Blonde helpless? LOL-Hardly.

And I bet those splinters in your ass from your trip to her woodshed must be pushing heavily on the upper limits of your pain-threshold meter right about now. :-O

My advice? Surrender while there is still something left to save, as she has pretty well mopped the entire NB floor with your white-guilt ridden and ignorant behind.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

RD...Help me...I'm helpless!

Thank heavens....you also laughed so hard at that little statement that I could hear you from GA!

Serially....these new (progressive) posters just don't get it....the Ginger Boy even proclaimed to be an (R).....LOL.

But I am helpless.  Helpless, I tell you!!!!   Do me a favor...remind me of that one of these days.  I keep forgetting it.   I just CANNOT get it through my little blonde head that I am helpless.  (Liberal mindworks are apparently not working here).

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Gingerman...

 "You want a concrete example.   M.O.'s parents went to segregated schools. There you go.  Concrete example. "

So what, I went to a segregated school too and I'm white! 

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

Also - I've been a member

Also - I've been a member for over a year.  I read Newsbusters every day, just don't comment very much.

I've seen you do quite a bit of yelling and bullying, but I've never seen you say anything of substance, let alone win a debate so I'm not sure I understand your troll crowing.

Another nice attempt at a dodge, Ginger Boy

I have plenty to say, don't worry your little red head about it.

I just don't care for people who drop talking points like trash around here, and then expect the regular posters to put up with this childish b.s and subsequent whining when called on the trolling.

So answer the question.  Or not, I could hardly care less.....you've shown yourself to be what you are. 

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

How is saying that black

How is saying that black people were not afforded equal rights prior to Civil Rights a talking point?

It's a historical fact.  explain your talking point claim. 

I am what I am and that's all that I am.  Just b/c I'm a republican doesn't mean I have to act like a complete idiot.  I dislike M.O. as much as anyone, but I think this line of attack emphasized in this post is ridiculous. 

What do you not understand?

You got caught making an outlandish statement, I challenged you to back it up with substantiated fact, not sweeping generalizations, and you can't do it.

So you whine.  And dodge. 

You've splattered talking points all over this blog this afternoon, and I finally got sick and tired of it and called you out on your inanity.  And now you're stuck in a corner, can't prove your idiot statement so you're trying to change the topic. 

Not going there.  I never said ONE word about the Civil Rights movement, now, did I?  You have no idea what my opinions on the topic are, because I haven't said.  Nor shall I, in this conversation.

Sorry, you lose, Ginger Boy.  

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Questions...

Do you have specific examples of how Michelle's parents were kept down, or are you speaking in generalities?

Further, can you find me another land where different races and religions were never oppressed? Any religion that was never oppressed? Any race, color or creed that was never oppressed? Any political position that didn't find oppression at some time, somewhere?

Or are you just wallowing in victim mentality and IGNORING any changes for the better that have occurred contributing to the easy, rich, fortunate life that Michelle Obama has always enjoyed?

Warner, You're kidding

Warner,

You're kidding when you ask me how black people were kept down prior to Civil Rights, correct?

Example?  Being forced to go to a segregated school. 

As for the rest of your post, I've never made the argument that America isn't great or isn't typical.  I simply stated the fact that prior to 1968 black people were treated like second class citizens, so I can understand why someone who lived during that time period might consider themselves black first and American second

That's all.  And how has she always enjoyed a rich fortunate life?  Her parents were working class. 

Gingerman --- come on down

I believe you were asked how MO's parents were treated like animals not what the average black experience was in the 50s.  It also seems you have a penchant for extrapolating from the general to specifics (a classic logical mistake btw)

Support our Troops    

Sir

I figured this would be your kneejerk reply...

You're kidding when you ask me how black people were kept down prior to Civil Rights, correct?

I think English might be your second language if THIS is the reply you have to my post. I made no attempt to dispute what some, even many, blacks went through in the 1940, 50s, etc.

But YOU claimed that Michelle Obama's parents were oppressed, so I asked for SPECIFIC examples of THEIR oppression to prove that Michelle Obama HERSELF or even her parents faced severe oppression and racism in order that we might better excuse her hatred of whitey.

Instead of replying to the ACTUAL question, you go off on some victimology with generalities. You give no answe3r to the actual question on the actual subject.

The fact is, we were talking about Michelle Obama NOT the whole lot of black America past, present and future. But, you are utterly unable to follow a simple subject.

I didn't really expect that you'd be able to stay on subject, though. Without wild-eyed ranting, the left has nothing.

Consequently, there is little reason to even try to have a discussion with you. So, have a great night.

WTH

You'll get nowhere with this one on specifics, I've been at it for an hour and all I get from Ginger Man is effete whining in the most sweeping generalities.   Obama victimhood, redux.  Sheesh!

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Oh, I get it.  Someone's

Oh, I get it. 

Someone's flip-flopping from the indivudual member of the minority to the minority as a whole.

WTH is on the right track here.

I thought the argument was to Mrs. Obama alone. 

As an individual human being.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Blonde and WTH:  It

Blonde and WTH:

 It appears the foreign press has once again done a better job at getting closer to the truth about the Michelle Obama's history than the American press:  http://www.obamatruth.org/Mrs%20O%20-%20The%20truth%20about%20Michelle%20Obamas%20working%20class%20credentials.htm.

The bottomline is that Michelle's family and upbringing was pretty good.  Heck, daddy had political connections and made good money and Michelle went to a prestigious magnet school as a teen.  From there, the opportunities kept a rolling.  Not bad for crappy hateful Amerika.

Just so that the forum recalcitrants don't get apoplectic, Sharon Churcher, the DailyMail.co.uk writer of the Michelle Obama story above, also writes about Mrs. McCain... the FIRST wife... and the distasteful details surrounding their dissolution.  Not to worry, wife numero uno says all's OK between her and Johnny Reb... now.  (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1024927/The-wife-John-McCain-callously-left-behind.html)

Why am I getting the impresion that the Daily Mail's gossip pages are more honest and factual than the vast majority of American MSM coverage of the presidential race by our "respected" Clark Kant's and Lois Lame's?

Pitiful whitewashing of a bitter malcontent.

RRAM Tough! 

Thanks, strat

A very interesting and enlightening article about the oh-so-oppressed Michelle O.

Jimmy Choos....at 400 pounds a pair (don't have the correct symbol, sorry). 

She sounds bloody oppressed to me! 

The American media will continue the oh-so-humble origin spin, though.  You can take that to the bank.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Hi Blonde...I have been

Hi Blonde...

I have been thinking about this Michelle crap and I think I understand what's happening. Surprise, surprise, I'm going to blame the media. Buuuut, I have a slightly different angle to propose.

What if... we have become so scared of PC in this country that it has gotten to the point where NOBODY in the established media has got the guts to say anything negative of Mrs. Obama? Because she's black she cannot be criticized. Of course we have the liberal media that will go far beyond the call of duty and grovel at her feet, but even some half-assed respected media outlets refuse to question ANY of her motives (or her husbands).

I guess my point is, we have reached an irreversible point in this country where you can no longer question a person of color for anything they say. I guess free speech is not meant for the un-PC... sigh.

The one quote made by a black man that my parents made me memorize "I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."  How I wish we could teach this lesson to liberals!!!

I hope that all made sense. I'm getting increasingly aggravated with how we are being manipulated by PC and felt a need to vent.

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

No worries, Clear

Michelle & Barry will be hoist upon their own petards.

They can speak all the smack they want to, but the truth always comes out, just like the "bitter gun lovers" comment.

These two are about as elite as they come, and social climbers to boot.  Check out Strat's first link.   

And one of these days, someone (white or not) will take them on, they'll be flabberghasted and totally lose it.  It will be a sight to behold.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Blonde... "...they'll be

Blonde...

"...they'll be flabberghasted and totally lose it." 

But will it be reported?

Or will the PC Central Committee cover it up for them?

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

That's the beauty of the internet

All that needs to happen is that the meltdown be recorded....it hits the net, and so it goes.

Obama thought he could get away with the "bitter" comment....oops, that didn't work too well.

And he's an idiot if he thinks he can declare his wife to be "out of bounds" as long as she runs her mouth in high gear.   I despise the elitism these two exude...and their expectation of a bubble of privacy and and a right to refuse to answer anything they deem unseemly.

It's going to be rubber meets the road time soon.  And it won't be pretty.  These two unscripted are a disaster waiting to happen.  I wish O'Reilly's body language girl would do five minutes on Michelle's "View" appearance.  It would be rather amusing, I suspect.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

The only melt-down that is

The only melt-down that is going to happen is after they lose in Nov...by the msm.

IMHO.

I can't wait to see that.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

bt, your opinion...

If Obama loses on election day, do you think there will be riots the following day?

45 Communist Goals for America http://www.nationmakers.com/com_goals.htm

CT...Most likely

CT...

Most likely so...perpetuated by the msm/leftist ahead of time.

If they don't win with their messiah, they are going to attempt to have this in the history books of their msm chronicles....

Btw..you can be sure the leftist party will have trial lawyers at the ready ahead of time...the likes of what we have never seen before. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Michelle endured colored water fountains at the magnet school

There you go Ginger, you kept running your mouth and finally the truth comes out.

You said you've been a member but haven't posted for a year.  Why not give it another year?

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

Excellent point... Michelle

Excellent point... Michelle Obama never in her life saw a "whites only" drinking fountain. They were LOOOOONG gone before she reached an age to remember anything.

You have a deliciously warped---

You have a deliciously warped---sense of logic.

Was there a rite of some kind at 4-5 years of age???

I posted just a short while back, an ecerpt from Dr Rossiter. This part fits you, the item in bold is exactly you.

Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:

  • creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
  • satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
  • augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
  • rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government

 

No Milo, There was Civil

No Milo,

There was Civil Rights.  Michelle was born in 1964.  You're quick on the uptake.

Michelle nor her parents created a sense of victimization, they WERE victimized.  So I'm not sure what you're point about liberals is.

Ginger, if Obama was victimized

by mean ol' whitey, she has been repaid in spades (pun intended). I wish I was victimized and forced to go to a Ivy League school and get cushy jobs and make $400k a year.   I may have even been proud of my country.  Tool!

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

Jeff - Do you also wish you

Jeff - Do you also wish you could have spent 5 years of your childhood being forced to drink out of a black only water fountain?  How about having to give up your seat on the bus simply b/c of your skin color?

Your post is absurd.

Tool?  Classy.

 

Gingertool, I wouldn't remember

I wouldn't remember what happened to me my first 5 years and I seriously doubt if Michele Obama's family rode the bus.  My point was, if she has suffered any racism, she has been repaid.  I don't know about her but I do know that her husband was given preferential treatment getting into Harvard because of his skin color.  I believe that the 40+ years of affirmative action, government set aside contracts, welfare, midnight basketball, etc have made up for a water fountain and the back seat of a bus.

We all find your posts absurd.  No, I'm not classy but I'm not a tool either!

Jeff Lebowski

www.angrywhitedude.c...

jeff, You worked in

jeff,

You worked in Harvard's admisions office when Obama applied?  That's crazy, otherwise you would have no clue how he got in so you must have worked there.

Did you enjoy working at Harvard?  Like Boston?  Pretty interesting town.  Must have been a tremendous experience.

 

Gingerwuss (or should I say guilt-ridden WG, I was born in 1964)

Right here in Atlanta, Georgia, for that matter.

Crawford Long Hospital, to be exact.

I have no recollection of black people being forced to be separate from myself in any way.

Your point is what?

Should all of us vote for a freedom-hating Marxist twit simply because he reflects less light than the rest of us, and, helps salve your WGS (White Guilt Syndrome?)

You are an idiot.

The truth is insensitive. - Neal Boortz

Evening RD... GingerM is

Evening RD...

GingerM is a troll..always has been...just one of the more intelligent/sly ones..if you get my drift. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

biggie

Gingerman is DEFINITELY a grade A, number 1 troll. He can't even engage in a sentient conversation. I don't know where you get the "intelligent" part of your description? LOL

   Democrats were the

   Democrats were the prime force behind segregation and Jim Crow laws.  But when segregation could no longer be supported because of protests by the Civil Rights movement the democrats continued their racist view of blacks which saw them as not able to help themseves even if barriers were removed so they instituted policies and programs which eventually destroyed much of the cohesivness and pride of the black community.  Ironic isn't it that the decendents of slaves and the party of the nightriders are still connected together more than 100 years later.  Both unable to let go of the other.

Your comment--

Your comment--was completely irrelevant.

Is it  a rainy afternoon where you are?? A little cabin fever???

 

Not even close.  I'm in

Not even close.  I'm in Lexington KY.  Beautiful day here.  Sun is shining.

Aaahh lexington ky----

Aaahh lexington ky----  horse country. You sir, epitomize an old man's question of me--"why are there more horse's butts than horses?". The answer I gave him--"It is caused by liberalism".

I agree Gingerbreadman

I actually agree with you and most likely MO parents probably were not treated very well and were subjected to racism.

The thing is, do you think blacks are the only one minority that has had it tough. Japanese people were put in concentration camps after ww2, Chinese people had to work slave labor on the railroads. They did not complain about being opressed and got the best revenge. They worked hard and many of them are very rich and successful.

Also how about the Governor of Louisiana? Bobby Jindal. How often do you hear about him whining about race?  Race is an issue only because the Democrats want to play that card.

Add Steele and all them to

Add Steele and all them to the list.

 

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"It could be the answer to our age-old, philosophical question, 'Why are we here?' PLASTIC!"

MA... ...nor will

MA...

...nor will they.

Ever.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Well, Warner, the

Well, Warner, the mistreatment of women under Islam is not our problem; nor is the lopsided number of girl babies aborted in China...no biggie.

But Michelle Obama being criticized!! Now THAT's something that SHOULD get feminists fired up!

Right?

 

Shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out! - Marge Simpson

mb... Yeah, but...

mb...

Yeah, but... Islamic women and Chinese women don't have nice dresses like Michele does.

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In short: My whine is better than your whine.

Warner, I don't know how you folks at Newsbusters can uncover this insanity without double dosing on pain killers (or laughing yourself silly). Clearly in ObamaNation idenity politics and the culture of victomhood are starting to eat their own. I mean, who'd have thought in their wildest dreams we would live to hear the Clintons, Geraldine Ferraro, and now the whole feminist movement called racists.

Yeah, sure, Ms. Curtis, poor Michelle Obama who "isn't running for anything" was just minding her P's and Q's when the bad ol' right wing starting to attack her but let me pose a few questions.

1- Wasn't it people like youself who derided women like Nancy Reagan who publicly took a subserviant role when it came to her husband's politics and applauded the assertive, equal partnership of Bill and Hillary? With that bar raised, Michelle Obama clearly has followed the Hillary template but according you she is supposed to be hands off as if she is nothing but the boss's wife. What gives?

2- Since you have become a racial cop along the likes of Spike Lee ("What!" No african-americans in Iwo Jima!"), let me ask you this: Where were both the feminist movement, the civil rights community, and yourself when the left attacked Condelezza Wright?

Let me guess. You were busy staying "neutral."

Speaking of Spike

Speaking of Spike Lee,

The Obama's first date involved going to see Lee's Do The Right Thing.

In audacious retrospect, how positvely mythical.

RRAM Tough! 

I have an observation that

I have an observation that kind of meshes with this whole thing.  I noticed years ago that white women who are feminists have a different set of priorities than black women whose interest seems more oriented to racism. What stuck me is the lack of participation of black women in things such as DV groups versus the lack of participation of white women racial equality issues.  

It seems to me that the only thing binding them is their mutual dislike of conservative white males.  Is it me or do others get that impression?  Funny thing is both Michelle and Curtis are talking to white feminists as though they are required or morally obligated to support Obama. What they fail to realize is they have to foster or enlist their cooperation not expect it.  But that's what happens when you feel entitled and not feel you have to negotiate or cooperate toward a mutual end.  I believe the Obama camp have thoroughly burned that bridge with their emoting and vilification of anyone not supporting their candidate 100% from the getgo.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

dscott... Yep...they all

dscott...

Yep...they all agree on one thing...their hatred for white conservative men. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

dscott...  "It seems to

dscott...

 "It seems to me that the only thing binding them is their mutual dislike of conservative white males."

We all know it's conservative white males that are calling them Bitches and Whores.

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As soon as Obama reminds all

As soon as Obama reminds all of the feminists that he supports killing children who survive abortions (see his vote in the Illinois legislature), the feminists who aren't in his camp now will orgasmically rush to Obama's open arms.

Feminism is a disease

Feminism is a disease arisen out of fake concerns for fake problems. Anyone who believes it is likely a POS.

 

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"It could be the answer to our age-old, philosophical question, 'Why are we here?' PLASTIC!"

I love it how these liberal

I love it how these liberal fringe-groups like the radical feminists, the Clintonites, the Obamaites, the radical homosexuals and the racialists are all starting to piss one another off with their BS.  

Feminists owe Michelle Obama nothing.  The only people that might owe Michelle something are the socialists, the communists and maybe the Republican's if her big mouth causes Obama to lose to McCain.   

 Keep on talkin' Michelle!

Liberal fringe-groups are

Liberal fringe-groups are owed nothing.

 

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"It could be the answer to our age-old, philosophical question, 'Why are we here?' PLASTIC!"

No they aren't.

No they aren't. Liberal-fringe groups are what ruined the Democratic Party.  The party actually meant something long, long ago.  Not anymore.

mm... Yep...Just ask Zell

mm...

Yep...Just ask Zell Miller...

Who I would vote for in a heartbeat for Prez over either of the choices we have now!

I watched his speeches on the floor of the Senate for years, he is far more conservative than McCain ever thought of being and is pretending to be now at times. 

You are exactly right!"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

Yea, I can't even visualize

Yea, I can't even visualize the word "conservative" and the word "McCain" at the same time.  It is very unfortunate that he was somewhat *forced* upon us.

McCain is not just "not a

McCain is not just "not a conservative" but, aside from what his war service makes him, is really just a pathetic excuse for a human being who does not represent conservatism in the slightest. An adulteror, can't even treat his colleagues with respect, makes a power grab every chance he gets, and has the audacity to think he would make a suitable president?

 

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"It could be the answer to our age-old, philosophical question, 'Why are we here?' PLASTIC!"

The only way you could

The only way you could possibly think that American feminists have been "silent over forced weddings, beatings, female circumcision of children, rape, stoning and so-called honor killings" is through willful ignorance. 

Five minutes of web searches found me:

Equality Now and the Women's Action Network's campaign against FGM

NOW's campaign against child marriages

The Feminist Majority Foundation's program to help Afghan women

Grants from the Global Fund for Women to help victims of rape in African conflicts

The National Women's Political Caucus's statement on internation human rights for women

An article at Planned Parenthood about forced marriages

These are just a few examples, most of the organizations here address several of the issues on your list.  Lots of them have campaigns against sex trafficking, which wasn't on your list.  And these are just the feminist organizations I could find linked on NOW's webpage.  I'm sure there are more.

Feminism has it's problems, but it is stupid to claim that they have nothing to say on these issues when it is so ridiculously easy to prove you wrong!

Women are not forced into

Women are not forced into weddings in the U.S.

Women are not stoned in the U.S. (except my old girlfriend, she was QUITE stoned)

Never hear about female circumcision in the U.S.

Honor killings in the U.S????

 CleverPig, the U.S. Military is in Iraq as we SPEAK trying to make those barbaric atrocities that you speak of a thing of the past.  Unfortunately, libtards think we shouldn't BE there.  What do you have to say for yourself now?

I have to say that some of

I have to say that some of us think the military are not the best people to send in when you want to inspire lasting social change in a foreign culture.  I think it has something to do with the guns.

Anyway, liberals do think we should be in Afghanistan.  We don't think we should be in Iraq.

CP...

Why?

Are you guys afraid of losing your Heroin connection?

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I'd love to answer that, but

I'd love to answer that, but I can't NewsBust without a good fix...

That's what I thought! 45

That's what I thought!

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cp...Well their loud

cp...

Well their loud shouting voices sure have been silent over the years...where are they on the msm's screens regarding any of these issues?

where were they when Bill Clinton was going to court for sexual harassment, where were they when it was Juanita Broderick, where were they when he had been found out to cheat numerous times against Hill, where were they about Monica or Kathleen Wiley...

HUH!?!

Give me a freakin' break, these so called women have been nothing but a detriment to us normal women out here in the real world..they are loud mouthed, screechin', ugly jokes..without a cause, always have been...with the exception of the power and their agenda they had for awhile....thank God that is over with...now I hope we just eventually get rid of the evil likes of Boxer, Feinstein, Snow, Collins, DeLaurio, Pelosi and others...with time.

Deal with it. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

First of all, if their

First of all, if their campaigns aren't garnering media attention, you have a problem with the media, not the feminists.

Second, don't think I intend this as a general defense of feminism.  As I said, the movement has problems.  It doesn't need Warner Todd Huston making up fake problems to saddle it with!

I am not a feminist.  I just don't like it when people lie.  

Warner a liar?...

Am I understanding your post correctly? Are you accusing Warner of lying?

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CT,

She did have him on "forced weddings, beatings, female circumcision of children, rape, stoning and so-called honor killings. . ." 

And CP did say "American" at the outset. 

If WTH had an editor for him to submit to, I think he'd flag it for him.  Do I think WTH did it intentionally?

No. 

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

I assume he didn't do it

I assume he didn't do it intentionally.

I object not to getting facts wrong, but to the assumption that a group you dislike is incapable of doing anything right.

It would be like me claiming the Bush administration has done nothing to help the fight against AIDS in Africa. I hate Bush so he must be sitting on his hands ignoring the plight of suffering people around the world, right?  Wrong.

It's fine to dislike feminists.  Just dislike them for real reasons.

»→ Come on CP

Super Feminist was First Lady for 8 years and senator for 7.  Whre's Hillary's important statement on female mutilation?

Truth is, Hillary and you couldn't give a lesser damn.

And those references you offered?  Obviously the Feminist movement chooses low circulation rags to talk about those things they might want to show some cred about later.

What the heck is "capwiz"

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With the exception of

With the exception of capwiz, all of those statements are on the organization's home site.  I don't think they count as "low circulation rags."  Such an old-media concept!

OK, Cleverpig

I dislike feminists because they're a bunch of foul-mouthed, angry (and unsatisfied) women, who have nothing better to do than rail against the male of the species, for each and every one of their own stupid and pathetic life-altering inadequacies.

How's that?  Does that suit your "real reasons"?

And bah to Hillary, and Michelle Obama too.  They are both pushing the "feminist" agenda, each to their own advantage.  Nasty women, the both of them.

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

Funny, I dislike feminists

Funny, I dislike feminists for similar reasons, though I ascribe different motives for their annoyingness.

CP, you've peaked my

CP, you've peaked my interest, according to you what are the feminist motives that make them annoying???  Let's compare notes.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

I don't dislike them for

I don't dislike them for their motives.

My problem with feminism is that as a whole the movement seems unwilling to acknowledge strides that have been made and the large measure of equality that women in this country enjoy.  It is as though they feel like they need to keep fighting as hard as ever, keep objecting to every possible little slight, or that will be lost.

I disagree.  I think we aren't going to lose the rights we've gained, and I think that their failure to express any satisfaction with how things have turned out creates more hostility towards women.

I am profoundly grateful for the work that feminists and feminism have done-- I enjoy the fruits of their labor every day.  Now I just wish they would ease off a little and try enjoying it themselves :)

Awesome

Brilliant.  I agree with CP's post above completely.  

CP:  It is as though they feel like they need to keep fighting as hard as ever, keep objecting to every possible little slight, or that will be lost.

A couple more questions, just asking your opinion on this. 

- Do you imagine that the feminist movement would also be willing to make up new "issues" just for the sake of keeping it afloat?

- Do you believe one can be financially successful as a feminist leader or organizer?

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Trach,

- Do you imagine that the feminist movement would also be willing to
make up new "issues" just for the sake of keeping it afloat?

- Do you believe one can be financially successful as a feminist leader or organizer?

Let's just say that if Scooby and gang removed Al Sharpton's mask, they would gasp and shout: "Gloria Stienem???".

"This
liberal would be all about socialize -- uh, uh, would be about
basically taking over and the government running all of your companies."-Maxine Waters 2008

Oh wow, that was the

Oh wow, that was the greatest, LOL!!!

Can I borrow that?

*applause*

-PJ

You have expressed it well

You have expressed it well CP.  I agree. And just as you feel this way regarding feminists and their victimhood, we conservatives feel the same way about Obama and his Black victimhood, it's been overdone and rubbed in everyone's face.  They all need to move on and live like the rest of us.  If you want to be equal, start acting that way.

 Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, starving the poor one gallon of ethanol at a time. Fill your tank with E85 and cull a village.  

If WTH had an editor for

If WTH had an editor for him to submit to, I think he'd flag it for him.  Do I think WTH did it intentionally?

No. 

Mighty big of ya' there trach...what would WTH do without you? 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

BT,

I'm not WTH's editor.

-PJ

...or anybody

...or anybody else's...

Thank God.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

BT:  ...or anybody

BT:  ...or anybody else's... Thank God.

I was just sayin' if he had one in the first place, he wouldn't have it handed back to him by CP.

-PJ

Right BT - WTH doesn't need and editor CP and Trach don't get it

He is like a column writer. A very very good one with lots of personality, humor and passion. People who bother to read him regularly know exactly where he is coming from. He couldn't be saying that there has never ever been any feminist who spoke out against these things because he linked to a famous feminist and articles that did!

He's saying that the U.S. feminist media types are silent about it.

They didn't used to be by the way, when we were about to invade Afghanistan, the media were all over the treatment of women there. It's only now that it's not PC to complain about Muslim practices.

CP links to web sites not articles and these web sites think money can solve the problem. These feminists don't seem too thrilled at how so many women in Afghanistan no longer have to wear burkkas and can attend school and don't get their heads chopped off for some minor infraction. They'd still be throwing money at the problem and making no progress.

Exactly Dee... Cp is

Exactly Dee...

Cp is Cp...

I'm used to her.

I just think it is mighty rich after I posted here and you too, that trach decides to post what he did...if you know what I mean.

It figures.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Wilson

You have a quote where a

You have a quote where a prominent feminist expresses her lack of enthusiasm for the advances in Afghanistan?  I'd like to read that.

CP - that's not the point of WTH's article

It's the feminists in the media who are silent about it. They don't think that the invasion was justified and the women would still be wearing burkkas and not able to attend schools if their policies were followed.
You just don't get that intentions don't' change things. Only actions do. Some actions work and others don't. Invading Afghanistan worked. Funneling money there through feminist programs (prior to the war) didn't.

What is meant is that they

What is meant is that they don't have anything IMPORTANT to say. I mean, not that feminists ever have anything important to say anyways. But it's so hilarious to watch them whine when nobody listens to them. Except for them of course, but they don't count. Guess why?

 

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"It could be the answer to our age-old, philosophical question, 'Why are we here?' PLASTIC!"

Really?  What would you

Really?  What would you consider an important statement to make about these issues?  I'll be happy to compare and contrast your statements with theirs.

WTH did a good job of pointing out the important statements

that should matter to feminists. Maybe you should read his blog.

Please link to the blog

Please link to the blog entry where Warner makes the important statements that should guide feminist thought on international human rights.

I'm going to assume you're not talking about this entry, wherein all he says is, to paraphrase, "these things are bad and feminists should care about them more than Obama's wife."

If that's all it takes to qualify for an "important statement," I think the websites I linked have that pretty well covered!

How's "make feminism

How's "make feminism illegal" sound?

 

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"It could be the answer to our age-old, philosophical question, 'Why are we here?' PLASTIC!"

You are missing the point. 

You are missing the point.  The radical feminists are still directly and indirectly supporting the vermin who are committing these acts.

How?

How?

How are you missing the

How are you missing the point? Or how are radical fenminists supporting people who are abusing women?

The latter

The latter