Nonsense 'Survey' Says Americans 'Struggling in Life'

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By Warner Todd Huston | May 13, 2008 - 02:23 ET

How about I ask you if you "feel" like you make enough money each year? Let's say you make $48,000 a year, OK? (That's the median household income in the US) You'll likely tell me, then that you "feel" you need more. Now, from this, can I conclude that you are "struggling in life" as a citizen of the USA? Not if you use actual data instead of "feelings" to determine what "struggling" means and not if you then try to add context to what we all have compared to what others in the world have, of course. But, this is exactly the sort of nonsensical "survey" that Reuters gravely warned us about this week. Without bothering with any statistics or context, Reuters excitedly reported that "Many Americans struggling in life, survey finds", and decided that everyone is downtrodden and filled with "suffering" in the United States today.

But this is just another so-called survey that is reported backwards. It turns out that, even by their unscientific criteria, 49 percent of the Americans they surveyed said that they were "thriving, with few health or money worries." So, why is this reported as if the preponderance of our fellow citizens is claiming to be "struggling"?

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Here is how Reuters begins their report:

Many Americans are struggling through life but only 4 percent are truly miserable, with no hope for the future, according to a survey released on Tuesday.

Nearly half -- 49 percent -- describe themselves as thriving, with few health or money worries, according to the researchers at the global polling organization Gallup and health consulting firm Healthways.

Then the report goes on to say that 47 percent claim they are "struggling" and that 4 percent are without hope.

So, why did the survey get reported that Americans are "struggling" when most said they were doing just fine? Why, because it makes for a better beat-up-America story, that's why.

So, to “prove” it’s all doom and gloom, Reuters assures us that this is America and we are all in dire straits. "You are getting the detail of what it is like to live in this country," Reuters reports Daniel Kahneman, a professor emeritus at Princeton University in New Jersey, as saying.

I find it a bit hard to believe that this gives us any "detail of what it is like to live in this country," though. According to what Reuters is reporting, the results of this survey were obtained by "... asking 70 different questions about well-being. These include questions about diagnosed diseases and daily physical discomfort, employment and income but also subjective questions about mood and happiness." In other words, the claims presented here are based on the "feelings" of those surveyed, not on scientific and economic data. In fact, no data but what people claimed on the telephone seem to have been used to formulate the results of this report.

So, when we call someone on the phone and ask them if they "feel" they are struggling, is this "feeling" based on anything concrete, or is it based on the "feeling" that Americans want to do better and are frustrated that they aren't? Further is it even legitimate when compared to what is going on elsewhere in the world so that we can measure what "struggling" might even mean?

In Australia, for instance, the median household income is about $38,000 and it's about the same in New Zealand. In Hong Kong it is $31,000. In Israel, $37,000. In Ireland and Scotland it's around $35,000. But in Canada it is about $43,000 and in Switzerland $54,000. Still, when looking at these western nations (or a western styled economy in the case of Hong Kong), the US fares pretty well. So, comparatively on the basis solely of income, the average American household has little to "feel" despondent about.

On the other hand, in China you'd be lucky to make $2,000 annually. In India $4,500 is the number. It's $2,000 if you are a citizen of Mexico and somewhere near $9,000 in Brazil. Let's ask Americans what their "feelings" would be if they made that amount annually?

Naturally, the people conducting this "survey" want to use it to push their political agenda.

Dr. Virginia Gurley, senior medical director of Healthways, said the results can directly inform the political debate on health care, the future of programs such as Medicare and even international trade. "We are having trouble competing because of the cost of health care and its effects," Gurley said.

Ah, there you have it. It isn't that Americans are really doing so badly when compared to folks in other western nations, and it is for sure that Americans aren't doing as badly as those in second tier and third world nations. It's really that these people want a platform so that they can use these so-called results to push their ideas to "inform the political debate" in the US. And Reuters is happy to comply.

So, let's push American's uninformed "feelings" that they are in worse shape than ever, that they are downtrodden and misused by those eeeevil rich folks, and let's play on those "feelings" so that we can create socialist programs that give people like Dr. Virginia Gurley the power she craves.

Thanks, Doc, but I think your prescription is nothing but placebo pills while you wring your hands in expectation of killing the patient! And thanks to Reuters for chasing the ambulance.

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Political Economy: Let's Get to the Nitty Gritty

China is still reeling from a 7.9 magnitude earthquake in its Sichuan province. As reported:

"Wenchuan's Communist Party secretary appealed for air drops of tents, food and medicine. 'We also need medical workers to save the injured people here,' Xinhua (Chinese news agency) quoted Wang Bin as telling other officials who reached him by satellite phone."

China is one of the largest states in the world, has about four times the U.S. population, and apparently "is on track to beat the United States in GDP by 2050." Never mind that the Chinese rely on the United States' middle class to buy their cheap labor-driven products so they don't have to pay their workers surplus capital to buy their own products. This is one reason China can keep its currency deflated and benefit so much from foreign trade. But that is beside the point.

Why is it that when a disaster hits the United States, other countries don't rush to our aid? Better put, why is there no need to?

Sure the Russkies tried to win some PR points by sending six helicopters to aid Katrina victims in 2005, but how much did that really help? The United States Navy and Coast Guard did as good a job as any organizations in the world could have when faced with the reticence to act of an incompetent local government, and indeed, the United States Navy is probably the pre-eminent disaster relief body in the world. Why does anyone suppose that is?

It is because the political economy of the United States, historically founded on individual liberty and individual market choices, is the most efficient in the world.

And, as few media outlets will admit, the American people are the most generous in the world. Anytime a disaster strikes abroad Americans are not only willing but able to send effective relief.

So let me ask the assuredly socialist Dr. Kahneman this: Are Americans really struggling, or is this phony poll simply a facade of the left's fictitious "class struggle"?

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius

This survey is right out of

This survey is right out of the leftist handbook. I remember similar surveys of years past (President Reagan's administration) where they would interview fourth graders in a survey on hunger in America. They asked a sampling of these children if they were hungry. Of course they got several affirmative responses to that question. It was quickly determined by the left that there was too many starving school children in America. The real question is: When is a fourth grader not hungry?

Professor Idiotus at Pinhead University

Daniel Kahneman : idiot.

Enough said.

What the ...

How in the sam-flippin'-hill did this get posted twice?

Damn 100 megabyte webpage ... am I the only one who has 100-150 megabytes of memory eaten up by the NewsBusters page?

Yep

I'm not having that kind of memory load problem as I block all the ads (sorry NB). I bet most of that memory is being consumed by flash ads and the like. I suggest you get an ad blocker as that will reduce the memory requirements and speed up page loading. Personally, I use firefox with adblock plus.

This reminds me of all those

This reminds me of all those who say teachers are "underpaid." I used to think so, then started to investigate how much teachers make. Then I started to look into it. Here in Texas, for 2008 the state minimum pay scale for a first-year teacher is $30K, with an increase of about a thousand every year. I've heard it said from teacher organizations that you can't live on that. If you can't live on thirty thousand a year, then the problem isn't the pay, the problem is you. I was once in rural Arkansas, and seeing the people there, I came upon a realization: you can tell America is a great country because our poorest people are FAT.

Right you are, Mister

Right you are, Mister Joseph.  In Oklahoma there is a website that tracks teacher pay and other statistics about the indoctrination system.  Almost without exception, in every school district in the state, teachers earn above the median income in their district.  The marxist-makers need to stop for a moment and realize that if they get their way and turn this country totally socialist, they will no longer make more than the median income, they will make exactly the same as a fry cook at McDonalds, a dish washer at Chili's, a physician, or a factory worker. 

"A communist is someone who reads Marx.  An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx."  Ronald Reagan

Don't forget, they only work

Don't forget, they only work 9 months of the year, so they could get other jobs.  I know a few teachers wh do construction durring the off season.  I do thing 30K a year makes college a waste, though.  My husband employs 4 guys who never went to college and they all make over 50 a year.

depends on the circumstance mister joseph

In NC starting wage is more like 25K and they won't even talk to you unless you have a four year degree. I know someone with a master's in education who currently makes 35K, and this is not in some rural county where expenses are cheaper.

You can't judge a whole industry by one state.

Just until the election

These surveys will stop after the election of a democrat. They are designed to get a democrat elected. They will have served their purpose and can be discarded. In early 2009 we will begin to see all sorts of upbeat "news stories".

Don't you ever sleep?

   Reuters headline should read "Life is a kick in the head" or "Life is not fair". Oh wait, that is common wisdom. And yet, 49% manage to thrive, and a full 32.2 % hang up the phone when they learn they have to answer 70 questions from some nutball on the phone. Ok, I HANG up the phone and I am doing ok, does that skew the poll?

My kids (6,7,9) hang up the

My kids (6,7,9) hang up the phone, but not before something funny comes out of their mouth, like, "We're voting Republican" click.

Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics

Rush cleverly surmises about polls that they are always tilted left because when the pollsters call, conservatives are at work and liberals are on the public dime.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius

Even though my job is

Even though my job is paying nowhere near the median, I'm doing okay...still making much more than those other third world nations. Some people are just unhappy they can't afford to live in the large house or get that 50 inch tv. As if that determines happiness in life.

"They need to have a course in college called common sense and everyone should take it. Problem is there isn't too many people that could pass or teach it." -my grandfather

I'll bet

that if Obama is elected and the economy goes into the tank even further the front pages will be all sunshine and lollipops.

 

Unbiased media my hindquarters.  Where were they when the economy was en fuego? Still searching out any item that could be spun as even the slightest bit negatively.

 

I repeat.

Nope, it will be, "Obama

Nope, it will be, "Obama battling 8 years of destructive economic policy"

OT: Check out the spin on

OT: Check out the spin on this link/headline I found on the MSN page: "Name-calling, bomb-threats alarm Obama foot soldiers"

 

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Grizzly Bear '08

Politicians take in record monies, all resturants full, ball par

At a time when politicians are taking in record amounts of private donations, when you can't find a parking space at the mall, can't get into a resturant without waiting, when atheletes make record amounts of money, when race tracks and ball parks are full, and on and on, but the average American is hurting, in dire straits-guess it's DIRE STRAITS song, MONEY FOR NOTHING, that we have.  The Treasury just took in record revenue(that's tax revenue) but the Congress spent a record also.  What have we had in the time the DIMS have controlled Congress?  Have any bills of significance been passed?  And they think a TAX is best thing when people HURTING.  In Virginia our Dim Gov has asked for 4 tax increases.  If we are hurting sooo BADD, why increase taxes? 

Brilliant

Another do-nothing Democrat Congress that drains the economy, are we seeing a pattern here?

At least when you get a do-nothing Republican Congress, it's intentional and you don't have to pay for it.

 

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius

that is an insult

Coming from a third world country, where misery is a reality, these surveys are an insult to me.

The major difference is that if you want to be succesful in this Country, you can. It's up to you and only you. Everybody struggles in life for some time. It's part of growing up. If people don't struggle for what they have, they don't give any value to anything. I feel sad to see so many people taking for granted what they have and throwing their opportunity away.

Where I come from, people are so heavilly taxed that it is almost impossible to progress in life. Inflation created a imense gap on the social structure that it's rare to ascend in life.

 

Had they conducted their

Had they conducted their fishing expedition here in Michigan, they would have obtained more favorable results, for them. Especially if they centered on Detroit.

Canadian born Granholm is working diligently towards changing Michigan into a little Canada. Our state economy started tanking during her first four years. And during her campaigning for re-election, she promised "Give me another four years and what I do with this economy is going to blow you away". The dive into the tank has become steeper. Everyone heard of the state budget crisis last year? She tried to blame the state deficit on Pres. Bush, of course. What was not mentioned is that in the budget she proposed, the deficit was created from increased spending in almost every area, with the largest increases in social programs. In addition to creating new taxes on services from baby shoe bronzing to tarot card reading (which has been rescinded in exchange for raising state business tax again). And people, and businesses, are leaving the state in droves.

Even Rush has pointed out that Michigan is in a full blown recession. So Reuters really missed the mark on this one. Their 47% would have been much higher had they conducted their survey here. Seems that Reuters is so out of touch, that they don't even know where to look to get the best results.

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayana

impressive

"Nearly half -- 49 percent -- describe themselves as thriving, with few health or money worries"

That's pretty impressive.  Half of people say they have few money or health worries?  I'd say I'm thriving, but I still have some worries.  It's a mazing that this can be spun into something negative.  Ridiculous.

After taxes are included in

After taxes are included in those numbers we are doing really well compared to the world, or are they included already?

I don't think we have seen anything yet.  I am really concerned for people in our country and the world.  Seriously.  The ethanol and bio diesel is causing rapid price increases all over the place.  Since I live on a small farm and raise animals I see it first hand.  2 years ago it cost me $8 for a bag of feed for my chickens, now it is almost $17.  The cost of ethanol is just beginning to show in the US and salaries are not keeping up with the increases.  I also want to know what happens when we start to run out of water because of the ethanol plants.  I see a self induced depression comming and I don't see any political candidate with balls enough to stop it.  So here I am, the only member in my family who grows their own food and who has a stable job that will not fail us.  Yup, I am a little worried.  Sorry to be so depressing. If anyone else has another view and can convince me otherwise, let me know, I would appreciate it. 

Amber

You speak the truth. While reading the news today, I see how the press is pushing this election for Barry, a canard I hope Americns won't fall for. "Liberalism"/socialism/communism is not the solution to America's problems. And you are right, America is in a self-induced depression. Things have been good under President Bush, but "liberals" can't handle success; they thrive on "depression". Sad.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Longer misery?

"We are having trouble competing because of the cost of health care and its effects"

So, we're struggling because we are competing (and winning the competition) to have access to the best medicine that money can buy and we're living longer, more productive lives because of the access to medical care that is the envy of most, if not all, other countries in the world?

In other words, we'd be better off if we died young, dumb, and happy instead of old, wise, and satisfied with the life we led? Yea, that makes sense, NOT!

Struggling?

Anyone who has traveled outside the country knows how good 95% of Americans have it. Even my friends who are truly struggling have it better than most of the world. I'm sad and disapointed for those who struggle to make it. I know many people who spend less or work extra so that they don't have to struggle so hard later.

Most of us have no problem getting in to a Doctor, Surgeon, or Dentist whenever we want to. In many countries they're lucky to see a Doctor and may never see a Dentist or Surgeon, because feeding and clothing the family comes first.

(sarc on)

Maybe I should feel bad because I can't by the trendiest clothes, newest car, motorcycle, boat, motorhome, stereo, MP3 player, or 4th flat screen TV to keep up with the Joneses. Hey, I'm starting to feel bad already! Maybe I'll feel better when we start drilling for oil and gas where the proven U.S. reserves are.

(sarc off)

The article is just one big whine!

 

NorthCoaster... Good

NorthCoaster...

Good comments. 

We Americans are very spoiled because we have become so succesful at being succesful. In the big picture, even some of our poorest people are far better off than most of the rest of the world. This finally sunk in when I spent a day with a client from Sweden. It just so happened that we both are mineral collectors and part time rock hounds. While he was in town I invited him on a dig to one of my favorite sites. As the day wore on we talked about many things. One of the subjects that came up was poverty. He told me he had been to almost every country on earth thanks to his wealthy parents. He mentioned that of all the countries he had visited, he stated that the USA had the fattest and healthiest poor people in the world.

We are truly blessed in this country and we should NEVER take it for granted.  

"Abstain from McCain"

Mo Money

Aside from folks in the Bill Gates/Warren Buffett income group, there aren't many people who wouldn't like to have more money than they have, to be able to buy more and better products than they do. It's called human nature. I'm retired, with a rather low fixed income, but I get along ok. Of course, I'd like a new car and a bigger house [and the servants to take care of it], but that hardly means I can't go on without them.

Chai

“A liberal is a man who will give away everything he doesn’t own.” —Frank Dane

Well.......

My Dad would tell me this when I complained growing up:

"Life's tough, then you die!"

Wonder what he would say to all these struggling folks out there!

 

Rated G version

You got the rated G version. I got the rated R version:

"Life is a bitch, and so's your mom."

 

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius

no cost health care

"We are having trouble competing because of the cost of health care and its effects," Gurley said.

So we just have the government take it over and Wala! no more cost. It magically disappers. Except for the huge tax increase to cover it. But, never mind it's free.

BTW... if you weren't looking, its the darn government that caused healthcare to be so expensive in the first place. Duh! The latest abuse is to force insurance and health providers to provide equal dollar coverage for mental health that they do for physical health. I can tell you exactly how to fix a broken arm and what it will cost. Try doing that for 'depression', or female neurotic episodes, bipolar syndrome, kleptomania, gambling addition, etc., etc., etc.

LOL

"female neurotic episodes..."

I am not ready to pay for monthly visits for every woman in America.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius

"female neurotic episodes"

Gee, what makes me think both reasonsjester and wizardjr are guys????

 

Chai

“A liberal is a man who will give away everything he doesn’t own.” —Frank Dane

Jokes

Its only a joke, if you want to male-bash, it's all fair play.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. - Marcus Aurelius