The list of Barack Obama associates that hold views that clash with mainstream America is getting longer every day and now we can add another notch in the "anti-American" column of Obama campaign workers and supporters. This time we find that the Obama campaign's official blogger, Sam Graham-Felsen, has spent time in France participating in labor riots, has written for a socialist magazine, hung a communist flag in his home, and was a fan of Marx while at Harvard.
Is this a case of the media not vetting another Obama associate? Why have we not heard of this man before and why is the media silent on him? After the stories of John Edwards' anti-Catholic bloggers, you'd think that the media would have been on the lookout for campaign blogger related stories. Yet, this guy and his questionable past has been ignored by the same media that tried to give Edwards' bloggers a pass.
A fellow that blogs at a site called "Common Ills" did a lot of leg work to dig up some of the publicly known utterings of Mr. Graham-Felsen prior to his elevation as the Obama campaign's official blogger, so he deserves the credit for raising a "red" flag on this one.
What we know for sure is that in May of 2006, Sam Graham-Felsen wrote a short piece in the socialist magazine Socialist Viewpoint describing his participation in some French labor riots.
Then, back in 2003, Graham-Felsen also wrote a piece for the Harvard Crimson praising Noam Chomsky, known for blaming the United States instead of the terrorists for the attacks on 9/11, and advising him to "tone it down" in order to fool people enough to get his anti-American message out.
Graham-Felson praised Chomsky for having "taken on (what he perceives as) the ultimate bully -- the United States," and gives Noam some unsolicited Graham-Felson advice.
Unfortunately, Chomsky continues to squander this potential by making decisions that destroy his credibility in the eyes of most Americans. In perhaps his most infamous move, on the day after the Sept. 11 attacks, Chomsky stated: “The terrorist attacks were major atrocities. In scale they may not reach the level of many others, for example, Clinton’s bombing of the Sudan with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and killing unknown numbers of people.” As a result of his poor timing and unwillingness to moderate his tone, his message was lost to anyone not already on the extreme Left. He sounded callous and dogmatic; instead of provoking change, he provoked disgust.
Yet, even if he is waiting for Americans to rise up in mass movements, he’s not going to spark widespread protest unless he can get more people to embrace his message. And if he wants to convince Americans, he’s simply got to tone it down.
Also in the Harvard Crimson in 2003, Sam Graham-Felson is noted for having hung a communist flag in his dorm room.
Behind the bar, in the corner, hangs a Communist Party flag that Sam and Kieran bought on their trip to Russia the summer after sophomore year.
So, what we have here is a kid who is an official blogger for the Obama campaign having written for a socialist magazine, is known to favor the anti-American views of Noam Chomsky, had a "communist flag" in his dorm room in college, and has attended riots in France and acted as a flack for them here in America. None of these ideas as espoused by our young Obama blogger are those commonly held by a majority of Americans. In fact, many people would consider a person who appreciates communism not an American at all.
The famous conservative blog "Little Green Footballs" calls this young Obama blogger a "hardcore Marxist." To be fair, it is not known in public records if Mr. Graham-Felsen claims himself to be a "hardcore Marxist" or not, but his known associations with foreign rioters and socialists is of public record.
What cannot be ignored is that this is yet another close Obama associate who seems to hate what most Americans love. Barack's wife could never be "proud of America" until her husband ran for president. His "spiritual advisor" wanted God to "damn America." Barack even launched his Senate bid in the home of a man that belonged to the Weather Underground, a radical, anti-American group that is responsible for murder. And these are just a few of the Obama associates that seem to hate what makes America great.
So, why does the Obama campaign surround itself with people like this, people who hold views that most Americans despise? And why is the media not looking into every Obama associate out there? Why does it take the Internet and bloggers to do this reporter's leg work?
Your guess is as good as mine. But the whole thing reminds me of an old saying: you lie down with dogs and you wake up with fleas.
The sort of people that Barack Obama surrounds himself with does say something about the character of the "candidate of change." It makes one wonder what sort of "change" Obama is interested in, anyway?
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Great job WTH...information
April 24, 2008 - 20:34 ET by bigtimerGreat job WTH...information of this type would of already been discovered if the candidate was a conservative republican long ago by the msm and the person would of been long gone, the candidate apologizing or gone by now...
Wanna' bet some in the msm already know but are keeping mum and hoping everyone else does too...
As far as I am concerned Obama and who he really is, is coming more and more to light, and will continue to do so....bet this may be on at least the radio shows....you may get mentioned again too on Rush.
Can't help but wonder if the Clinton Machine knows anything about this and are patiently waiting for others to leak this out and get traction from this....along with other info. yet to come.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Communist
April 24, 2008 - 20:50 ET by iveseenitallAs I've been saying for months, Barry is a communist. This is not an exaggeration or some wild-eyed accusation. It is obvious to anyone who knows anything about this evil. The extent to which he is involved is slowly slipping out. If the media meets its reponsibility for once, more will be revealed. Right BT, "Great job, WTH".
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
Those Marxists
April 25, 2008 - 09:37 ET by pbanks7It is obvious to anyone who knows anything about this evil.
You got that right. I've been telling people for weeks that I won't vote FOR McCain; I'll be voting against the Marxist.
MSM - shaping all the perceptions you need to believe.
I'm guessing as this
April 24, 2008 - 20:53 ET by Prof.ChaosI'm guessing as this election year trudges on more and more things about Barry are going to be brought foward.
This is going to get ugly,after the ABC debate the left wing loons were calling for George and Charlie to be fired...just for asking the anointed one a few question's pertaining to his character.
WTH, how does one become an
April 24, 2008 - 20:53 ET by mandrakeWTH, how does one become an 'official blogger'. I'm just wondering 'cause I don't have much to do right now and would like to become an 'official blogger' for John McCain.
Where do I send my resume?
I'm guessing...
April 24, 2008 - 21:00 ET by Warner Todd HustonI'm guessing that all you need do is send Barack a photo of yourself standing in front of a Hammer and Sickle flag, wearing a Che Goovera T-Shirt, and holding an I-Heart-Obama sign.
That seems to be the only criteria as far as I can tell.
LOL
Nice dodge, but you didn't
April 24, 2008 - 21:06 ET by mandrakeNice dodge, but you didn't really answer the question. What is an 'official blogger'.. It's your phrase not mine...so what does it mean??
Umm...
April 24, 2008 - 21:11 ET by Warner Todd HustonNo "dodge" intended. I didn't realize you could POSSIBLY be serious with the question.
Try clicking on the youngster's name in the first paragraph. It takes you right to Obama's campaign website.
Is that not "official" enough for you?
Did you read what he said Warner?
April 24, 2008 - 21:15 ET by shawn228He said he wanted to blog for John McCain
Ah, I see...
April 24, 2008 - 21:21 ET by Warner Todd HustonShawn, you are right, I did miss that part about how to become a McCain blogger. I didn't see that part.
Now, I have to apologize for being flip to him.
So, to answer that question, then....
You'll have to mark me in the category of "folks McCain condemns," and I have no idea how one might become a member of the McCain team. I also don't know why one would want to do so!
And, if I were to try, he'd probably tell me to take a hike.
But, I can't imagine I'd ever try.
Shawn, you are right,
April 24, 2008 - 21:25 ET by shawn228"Shawn, you are right,"
Oh, i'm ice skating home. Hell just froze over ;-)
Ok, I did click for the
April 24, 2008 - 21:20 ET by mandrakeOk, I did click for the SECOND time. This kid is just some person with a 'blog'..much like you!..What makes him so 'official'?
What do you want me to say?
April 24, 2008 - 21:23 ET by Warner Todd HustonWhat do you want me to say? If it is hosted RIGHT ON the candidate's OWN website... how much more "official" can it get?
He isn't "just some person with a blog."
I am just "some person with a blog" because I am not connected to a campaign and hosted on a candidate's website!
Four seconds...
April 24, 2008 - 21:27 ET by Warner Todd HustonA little websearch is easy though...
Took about four seconds.
Warner
April 24, 2008 - 21:31 ET by Free StinkerWarner,
If information can be found so easily, how come reporters can't seem to keep or get their "fact" right?
Are they lazy? Oh . . . yeah. Never mind. ;-)
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
No kidding! Lazy, lazy,
April 24, 2008 - 21:38 ET by Warner Todd HustonNo kidding!
Lazy, lazy, lazy.
You're quoting the NYT's??
April 24, 2008 - 21:41 ET by mandrakeYou're quoting the NYT's?? ya gotta be kidding :)
Everyone here knows their word is worthless... so I still maintain there is no such animal as an 'official blogger'.
And...
April 24, 2008 - 21:44 ET by Warner Todd HustonI am sure we can all agree that the Earth is flat.
Thanks for playing.
Even SAM says he's THE blogger...
April 24, 2008 - 23:30 ET by Warner Todd HustonHere Sam Graham-Felsen himself claims that title of "the campaign blogger for Obama" in a DailyKos posting.
It’s not that hard to figure out
April 25, 2008 - 10:52 ET by CobraMan"how does one become an 'official blogger'"
It’s not that hard to figure out. You’re an official blogger when your activities are sanctioned and approved by the local or national campaign manager. That’s really all it takes. It’s just like becoming an official organizer. If the campaign manager approves and sanctions your actions, then it’s official.
If you want to be an "official" blogger for McCain as you state, I suggest you contact your local McCain campaign headquarters and offer your services, for free of course. If they approve, you're now an Official Blogger for McCain. Have fun!
Communist
April 24, 2008 - 21:02 ET by ScrapironWhy would you expect the media (50% + Communist) or people who vote for the democrat party (50% + Communist) to worry about a baby Communist blogger?
Old, Retired and glad of it.
Another piece of the Obama puzzle...
April 24, 2008 - 21:05 ET by Parker1227...falls into place. The picture is definitely taking shape now and it ain't pretty.
I liked Kinky Friedman's take on Obama's associations problem (from a recent BOR show).
"You can pick your boogers and you can pick your friends, but you can't wipe your friends off on your saddle."
The Rev
April 24, 2008 - 21:11 ET by Prof.ChaosAll the loons are trying to wish Rev.Wright away.....unfortunately the ole Rev is stuck to Barry like a tick on a hound.
That stalwert american Bill Moyers has an interview with the Rev this weekend on PBS.
I cant believe the Dems did'nt vet this guy inside and out.How stupid.Not that I'm complaining...in fact I cant wait for another shoe to drop.
PC... Wonder how many
April 24, 2008 - 21:50 ET by bigtimerPC...
Wonder how many shoes he has left to drop before it matters to the msm of all venues....they are the ones driving this, let alone I do believe some have known all about this and kept it mum, hoping no one like this site and WTH would expose this, the internet is a wonderful thing...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Warner, shame on you ;)
April 24, 2008 - 21:41 ET by exLibDon't you know it doesn't matter who you associate with, it's about them there 'Issues'.
Didn't your mother ever tell you she doesn't care who you hang out with as long as they agree with "us" on the issues.
Don't distract mommy with the facts that you are hanging around with kids who do drugs or steal things, as long as they are nice boys and their parents vote Democratic Ticket.
(sarc off)
Does it happen to anyone else?
April 24, 2008 - 22:28 ET by Logic over emotionI clicked his name in the first paragraph and it brought me to Obama's official site. There's a picture of Sam Graham-Felsen and in the top of the box it has: "View Full Profile >>". When I click on that it does nothing - is it just me?
I tried it...
April 24, 2008 - 22:29 ET by Warner Todd HustonI tried that link and it took quite a while to come up. But it did come up.
Don't you know it doesn't
April 25, 2008 - 06:27 ET by motherbeltDon't you know it doesn't matter who you associate with, it's about them there 'Issues'.
I used to have a nun in grade school who would say "Show me your friends and I'll tell you what you are."
But in the brave new world of Barack Obama, that doesn't matter. He can lie down with dogs and not get up with fleas.
Oh, wait, wait... He's trying to "convert" him....he's emulating Jesus...the healthy have no need of a phyician...you have to go where the sinners are....
Oh, NOW I get it.....
<sarc off>
Is Obama carrying ecumenism a bit to far?
April 24, 2008 - 22:22 ET by pocomocoJust how deep is Obama’s rabbit hole going to go?
Each day another associate with a questionable background comes to light.
Thus far there’s been a anarchist, a white bigot, and a Communist.
You’ve got to admit that he is ecumenical in his associations making him ‘a man for all the people’.
And, isn’t that exactly how he is portraying himself as he runs for president?
I can see a Willy
April 24, 2008 - 22:43 ET by Prof.ChaosI can see a Willy Horton ad somewhere in B.Hussein Obama's future.
I find it truly amazing the dem's latch onto a candidate,in this case feeling so gratified over having a black candidate other then Jesse Jackson that they forget to vet him.
And I Am Supposed To Be Concerned Why?
April 24, 2008 - 22:49 ET by The7SticksWhile I do believe this blogger is an idiot for following an ideology like Communism, which has been proven time and time again to be a complete failure, I hardly believe this is an issue for most Americans to be concerned about. After all, everyday you see a moron wearing a Che T-shirt, and I bet the reason he wears it is because he's thinking "I'm rebelling against the establishment!", which is usually what a bunch of young people do as an act to disregard authority.
If this blogger really was as un-patriotic as you say he is, then there would be some evidence that he's attacked our troops by slimming them as murderers and baby-killers, Brian DePalma-style. But, as of yet, I have not seen any evidence to prove otherwise. Ergo, it is merely speculation.
So, right now, I'm just going to stick to the Jeremiah Wright issue, as I see it is a far more pressing matter than what some dumb young jock has to say.
If It Walks Like A Duck...
April 25, 2008 - 01:48 ET by geoff.galeI think that people are becoming concerned with the cavalcade of anti-Americans with whom Obama has associated. Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers, Rev. Wright, Dr. Hatem El-hady, Rashid Khalidi, Michelle Obama and now this blogger.
When you look at the whole group, you can't help but wonder how does Barack Hussein Obama feel about the country he's expressed the desire to lead?
I think the average American isn't all that impressed with the associations he's chosen for himself.
"All that is necessary for the trimuph of evil is that good men do nothing."
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)
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Warner, forget the commie Obamamaniac....
April 24, 2008 - 23:12 ET by R D Helm...as this is far more damaging to Barry O, IMHO.
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Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
Hey RD...what a find...a
April 24, 2008 - 23:21 ET by bigtimerHey RD...what a find...a keeper to-boot.
Seems like Dr. Hatem is gonna' be having some explaining to do down the road, now let's see what comes of any of this with the msm....
I hope this too isn't swept under the rug and ignored...Michelle's connections too...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
The Rev
April 24, 2008 - 23:33 ET by Prof.ChaosDo you realize how many times you're going to see Rev.Wright between now and Nov..Speaking for myself...I cant get enough of the old fart.
I'd guess when Barry goes to bed at night,just before he falls asleep he thinks to himself....why the hell did I ever set foot in THAT church.
Hi PC...this wasn't about
April 24, 2008 - 23:38 ET by bigtimerHi PC...this wasn't about the Hatepreacher himself Rev. Wright, did you read the link RD put here?
Just curious...it is pretty eye-opening for some that may not have an idea about Obama and wife's ties...once again.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
OBAMA...
April 25, 2008 - 01:19 ET by danybhoyProf.Chaos,
I want what you want, I want more Rev.J.Wright, 24/7 is possible. Keep exposing him for the kook he is.
Obama knows why he was at THAT church, between his political motives & his wife, there should be no questioning why he was there. He did'nt seem to pay too much attention to what was said though. That is a problem in my book, you are the leader of the free world, you are involved in some high level meetings & making life or death decisions about America, & you can't pay attention? Nope, & as President, you cannot skate & vote "present".
Obama = marxist...
Obama = inexperienced...
Obama = usefull idiot...
Obama = the next Jimmy Carter...
No thanks...
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
bt, Barry O's well known commie connections are one thing....
April 24, 2008 - 23:39 ET by R D Helm...as, at heart, he is a "true believer," which should be obvious to all, but his apparent chumminess with the Islamo-supremecists among us is far more troubling, IYAM.
This Obama clown is a total fraud.
It is sickening beyond words how many Americans have been duped by this idiot.
Stupid, we have become.
Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
RD...been a goal by the
April 24, 2008 - 23:45 ET by bigtimerRD...been a goal by the leftists for over fourty going on fifty years now to dumb down America...started in the school system in the late fifties, early sixties, it has now taken it's toll for all to hear and see, if people would just open their ears and eyes.
The truth...they can't handle the truth....it would be a National Therapy crisis if they did...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bt, as I have said here many times, we are truly living in the
April 24, 2008 - 23:56 ET by R D Helmbt, as I have said here many, many times, we are truly living in the age of the dumbMasses.
Fifty years ago, Obama couldn't get elected Head Manure Shoveler in East Bumblejerk Iowa. Today, there are a large number of government-schooled (indoctrinated?) types who are willing to vote this man into the highest office in the land.
Damned depressing, I say.
Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
The more I see about Harvard
April 25, 2008 - 00:12 ET by jefflebowskiThe more I see about Harvard graduates, I'm beginning to wonder what is the big deal about the place? I've always believed that many of the liberal ivy league ilk are over-educated and under-intelligent.
I believe Balack Osama is a communist (or commanist if you're from my less exclusive alma mater, NC State). I will not vote for a Commanist (Balack), a Socialist (Hitlery) or a Democrat (McPain). And you can't make me!
Death to the current Republican Party. Bunch of Mr. Wussypants! Long live Conservatism!!
Jeff Lebowski
Howdy Jeff...if we didn't
April 25, 2008 - 00:23 ET by bigtimerHowdy Jeff...if we didn't have a handful of real patriot conservatives in Congress since the beginning... this country would be long gone by now as we know it, or knew it as it once was.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Bigtimer
April 25, 2008 - 00:42 ET by jefflebowskiBut where are the real patriot conservatives now? Who are they? The current group of Republican leaders seem to be either Democrats of old or just plain scared.
I guess the USA has been on top of the world community for so long and hasn't felt a threat for a while. So everyone gets used to spending $8 for Starbucks coffee and complaining how bad they have it driving their Lexus. I'm afraid we have a bad wake-up call coming soon. Maybe we need it to clean out the trash we have Washington.
Our nation screams for statesmen and all we have is politicians!
Jeff, after all, there is such a thing...
April 25, 2008 - 00:34 ET by R D Helm...as being educated beyond one's intelligence (which, sadly, appears to be the affliction most degreed individuals come with these days, Harvard or otherwise.)
LOL-and, like you, I will not be voting for Teddy K's bestest "republican" buddy, either.
Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
R D,,, good for you!
April 25, 2008 - 00:45 ET by jefflebowskiI cannot stand McPain for the stunts he has pulled over the years to kill conservative actions.
I won't vote for him no matter what. Maybe every 40 years we need a Carter to show how bad it can get. Either way, we're going to get one!
JeffB... I agree with
April 25, 2008 - 00:51 ET by bigtimerJeffB...
I agree with you...and as to the conservatives in congress, I never said leaders, but they are the ones who when voting or filibusters can and do make a difference at times.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Jeff, good thing Viagra wasn't around in the days of Jihad Jimmy
April 25, 2008 - 01:08 ET by R D Helm...else, we would have gotten it even worse. :-O
Theme for Election '08: Who cares?
Aye, count me among the
April 25, 2008 - 01:31 ET by CortillaenAye, count me among the ranks of McCain Abstainers, too. I shudder to think what the country will be like under Clinton or Obama, but I can't help but think the greater damage would be done with McCain there. The actual immediate damage done might be less (I have reason to consider otherwise), but in the long run, I think it would be far worse to tell the Reps, "Yeah, us conservatives'll vote for you as long as you aren't quite as liberal as the Dems."
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hey bt
April 25, 2008 - 00:41 ET by owlpelletsWhat was it Barry said about increasing caiptal gains taxes for no reason except "fairness?"
Nuff said in my book.
I always wanted to get into politics, but I was never light enough to make the team.
Dang owl... Long time no
April 25, 2008 - 00:46 ET by bigtimerDang owl... Long time no see!
How's the global warming in your neck of the woods...most likely a lot better than mine.
Btw...you know I agree with your post...lol.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I think you are laying too
April 25, 2008 - 00:59 ET by cleverpigI think you are laying too big a claim to the term "mainstream." Mainstream does NOT mean conservative, you know! It doesn't refer only to people who live in the middle of the country and vote republican.
To wit, Chomsky is not mainstream, but agreeing with a statement he made could be. Being a communist isn't, but being a socialist while in college could easily be! And frankly there are few things more "mainstream" in France than a good labor riot. Everyone over there protests. Those guys call a nationwide general strike every time the [insert demeaning French stereotype about the price of baguettes that we can all laugh about together]!
So please stop using the word in such a way as to exclude liberals from the category. We're a good 50% of your precious mainstream! And stop trying to tar Obama with the views of people who have been written about by people who write about him. I'm sorely tempted now to take the time and play "2 degrees of separation" with McCain. I'll bet we could find some good stuff!
You claim...
April 25, 2008 - 01:08 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou claim to know better, yet you say this...
Being half the ELECTORATE does NOT equate to half the country! Especially when only half the folks of voting age even BOTHER to vote!
You have no real basis to say "50%" of the country is "liberal."
That doesn't change the fact
April 25, 2008 - 13:54 ET by cleverpigThat doesn't change the fact that you use the owrd mainstream to exclude anything with leftist leanings. That's simply not fair. We may not know the political affiliation of non-voters, but is there any reason to believe they aren't split about the same as the voters? Same with independents. Do you have any reason to think more independents sit on the right of the hypothetical middle line than on the left?
23% and not 50%
April 25, 2008 - 11:20 ET by CobraMan"We're a good 50% of your precious mainstream!"
No, you're not. You may think that you are, but that‘s a fallacy as the largest majority of people are independent and have no political affiliations whatsoever. They don’t belong to any political party and they don’t use party affiliation to determine whom they’ll vote for. That’s why they are called “Independent.”
A perfect example as how much you’re in the minority is the fact that, for the last 4 presidential elections, Democrats only received 23 percent of all possible votes, maximum. Since only 23 percent of the population, maximum, actually vote for Democrats, I'd say that you're in the minority, wouldn't you?
Now that's just silly.
April 25, 2008 - 13:59 ET by cleverpigNow that's just silly. First of all, I'm not talking about political parties, I'm talking about where people fall on the theoretical spectrum that ranges from far left to far right. Even Independents probably have a viewpoint or two and would place themselves either to the left or the right of the center. Maybe only a little, but that's my point! Second, the 23% number only makes sense if you compare it to the number for republicans. Got that one handy? If it is approximately the same than your point is null.
My argument is that not everyone who was a socialist in college is out of the "mainstream" as an adult. They may be mildly liberal independents who don't vote. I think it is a misappropriation of the term to label them all extremists.
Your just silly
April 25, 2008 - 19:04 ET by CobraMan"First of all, I'm not talking about political parties, I'm talking
about where people fall on the theoretical spectrum that ranges from
far left to far right."
You’re just silly. Most people don't "fall" within with in any political range, as most people are INDEPENDENT! Right? Since they are INDEPENDENT, you can't place them anywhere on a POLITICAL spectrum. In order to place them "left or right of center" you would have to first find the center, Independent means that political philosophy doesn’t enter into the calculations, so how can you define a center for Independents? You can't!
"My argument is that not everyone who was a socialist in college is out of the "mainstream" as an adult."
My argument is that all socialists in America, whether or not they attend or have attended college at some point, are out of the mainstream in America. Most Americans are not socialists and they don't believe in socialist policies.
Oh, and being a FORMER socialist means that someone has moved away from the "left of center,” wouldn't you agree? Therefore, you lose even more people from the extreme to the mainstream. That lowers your numbers even more. And contrary to popular belief, most college kids are not socialists, they’re capitalists. They go to college to learn a skill that will give them high paying jobs. That’s not something a socialist will do, they want government to make job decisions for them. It’s the administrators and professors who are the socialists. That makes it an even smaller minority, wouldn’t you agree?
"Second, the 23% number only makes sense if you compare it to the number for republicans"
You’re wrong because there's more than just Democrats and Republicans in America. You can't ignore Independents, Greens, Reformers, etc., etc., etc. People don't fall into only one of two political parties, remember? You have to take that into account. If you discard all but Democrats and Republicans to make claims as to what percentage is represented by Democrats, then you are the one who is making a null point.
You are confusing
April 27, 2008 - 23:24 ET by cleverpigYou are confusing yourself.
I think most independents would argue vociferously that they do, in fact, have a political philosophy. It may be a hodgepodge, it may not fit into one political party or another, but your assertion that they cannot be liberal or conservative because they haven't declared a party is just patently untrue.
And thank you for making my point-- people moving away from the extreme, like former socialists, can still be liberal and also be mainstream. That was exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks!
The multiplicity of political parties was also central to my point-- 23% is only a small number if you assume that there are only two options to choose from. Given the many other possibilities, I wouldn't be surprised if the number for republicans was about the same, with the rest split between people who don't vote and people who vote third party, and that would show a more even divide than what is implied by 23% offered as a standalone number.
I'm glad to see we agree on so many of these issues :)
this is troubling
April 25, 2008 - 03:18 ET by JWFThe President, Vice President, Senators, Representatives, and military all takes oaths to defend the constitution, not the United States, not the citizens of the United States, but to defend the constitution.
I wonder the same thing, it sounds as though he wants to bring on socialism, which would mean dumping the constitution. At least those around him certainly would like this to happen. Either way, it is troubling.
Warner
April 25, 2008 - 08:11 ET by ricklailI keep wondering when you guys will tie him to Frank Marshall Davis, another commie slob.
Here is a link to more 1014 on Graham-Felsen
"A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself, but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself." A.W. Tozer (Pharisee=modern day liberal)
Rick,
April 25, 2008 - 11:42 ET by Warner Todd HustonI had that link right in my story. As to the Davis bit, the only place I could find out info was one site and I don't like to go off with just one source.
Damm it! There goes his
April 25, 2008 - 09:05 ET by moonjohnDamm it!
There goes his grandmother under the bus again.