We have another incident of empty showboating by a college kid who imagines herself to be making "art" and a "statement" by placing American flags on the floor in hopes that people would disrespect them enough to walk upon them. One Miss Susan Crane of the University of Maine at Farmington decided that her "art" was going to be an exercise in desecration. Keep your eye on this and see if the MSM will cover it. It is just starting to make the blog rounds.
Unfortunately, all we have is another disrespectful kid doing the same thing that a dozen other disrespectful kids have done at anti-American campuses across the country over the last 40 years or so. There isn't a thing "new" or even unexpected about it at this point. This makes her "statement" empty and pointless. But Crane has been fooled by her anti-American professors into imagining she is sparking a "conversation" about patriotism and the flag.
"Ninety-five to 98 percent of the people didn't walk on the flags," Crane said of her findings. The other reaction she was hoping for was one of thoughtful reflection on his or her individual patriotism.
"It sparked conversation and thought about how we feel about our flag, which I think is very important. It was a very hard thing for me to do, to put the flag on the floor," she said.
Oh, we get these sort of self-loathing, anti-Americans every single time there is national turmoil of some sort or another. They imagine they are being "edgy" and "artistic" with their displays of hate for their own country. And they get congratulated by their equally vacuous teachers and professors that were trained in the Marxist work shops of the Weather Underground, the SDS, or the equally Marxist NEA. But, when all is said and done, no "conversation" is sparked. Only emotions.Worse, the MSM come to cover such people with laurels for being "brave" enough to go against most people's love for their country.
Now, here is the question: does desecrating the flag help foster any debate? I don't think it does, but then again, my reaction with this project reflects about the only "conversation" that Miss Crane will get with her display of ignorance. It will be all of emotion and no substance.
No one goes away from one of these idiotic displays of hate with any newer understanding of the issues of patriotism or the actions of the government of the United States. No history is learned, no issues settled. All we have is the self-congratulatory, circle-jerking of the hatemongers in our Universities who are so proud to be sending out into the great world another American citizen indoctrinated to hate their own country.
Here is a perfect example of what I am talking about. UMF's president, Theo Kalikow, issued a completely empty statement after word got out about this unpatriotic display of hate.
"Art in all its forms is important. The anger that was experienced today. Students push the boundary of what learning is. First Amendment rights, freedom of expression. We share in a state of expression."
Kalikow's empty moralizing shows that this display of hatred was meaningless in the end. It resulted in nothing but anger even as the unpatriotic president of UMF tries to see some good, ANY good, in it. (You can email president Kalikow with this address: kalikow@maine.edu.)
At least one fellow was incensed enough to confront the educrats at UMF. Charlie Bennett, American Legion 4th District commander, a Vietnam Vet, went on down and began to pick the flags up from the floor. Naturally, the college administrators warned him that they'd call the police for his arrest.
So, a man who put his life on the line for that flag and for the folks wandering the halls of UMF was to be arrested for his patriotism? Typical.
There is a video of Mr. Bennett confronting these anti-Americans in the hallways of UMF. Bennett was confronted by the University Provost Allen Berger who told the veteran that he "didn't fight for a piece of cloth." (His number is 207-778-7279, and email is aberger@maine.edu.)
In any case, what we have here is but useless ginning up of emotions by a college kid who has been misled to believe that she is actually advancing the cause of Americanism instead of defeating it. She is the recipient of another wasted exercise in what is called “education” in this country. This is why our schools are becoming the laughing stock of real education everywhere.
Lastly, I'll bet that if the MSM does bother to cover this it will be presented as an innocent student being attacked by "right-wing" activists. Keep your eyes peeled and report back here what you've seen.













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It's all about flash and
April 16, 2008 - 18:23 ET by zfIt's all about flash and mindless rebellion with these people, substance and morality take back seat to superfical feel-good "advocacy."
Careful, her father is a
April 16, 2008 - 20:26 ET by NortoCareful, her father is a 25-year Vet who approved her project because as he said, he fought for her right to express herself.
She dismantled it b4 the night was over, because of the furor. She really wanted to see whether people would respect the flag or not.
Missing Something Here
April 17, 2008 - 08:27 ET by Mendol95% to 98% of the students DID NOT step on the flags. This is a good thing, the youth in this country is waking up to this kind of nonsense and rejecting the indroctrination attempted by some Universities.
I have no idea
April 16, 2008 - 18:27 ET by 10ksnookerWhy liberals hate their country so much.
What do you think the
April 16, 2008 - 18:29 ET by mlongWhat do you think the reaction would be if they let an "Artist" put down an flag of a nation like Iran by this same crowd?
"How do you know when Hillary Clinton is lying?".."When She opens her mouth to talk."Neal Boort
there would riots due to
April 16, 2008 - 19:06 ET by red_dragon311there would riots due to the disrespect we show that flag
"As a news consumer, however, the word of an MSM journalist isn't good enough." - Dabird
plenty of countries to choose from
April 16, 2008 - 20:07 ET by mom_roxmlong, excellent point. Or flags from China (for the free-Tibet crowd), Zimbabwe, Burma (aka Myanmar), etc. (not that I approve of placing flags on the ground)
A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944
Or Mexico, or the UN flag,
April 17, 2008 - 10:17 ET by richflanjOr Mexico, or the UN flag, or pages from a Koran, or pictures of Che Guevara......
or the koran
April 17, 2008 - 15:15 ET by amberor the koran
The left sickens me.
April 16, 2008 - 18:38 ET by superconApparently now anything can be called art.
Pick up some dog doo with a stick and pose it and it is art.
I wonder how much that Provost would protect the rights of a student who wanted to display a war memorial artistically.
How far would he protect the rights of a ROTC group to hand out flyers.
Another disgusting example of left-over left-wing pinkos who don't know the sixties are over.
Victory in Iraq.
Liberals suck.
American Flags on the floor?
April 16, 2008 - 18:41 ET by DelsaThis is why every parent with a brain should home school their children.
Look up Calvert and Keystone.
Calvert is curriculum for the younger ones and Keystone is the high school curriculum.
Excellent and any parent can do it. More importantly, your children will get a Wonderful education.
AND OUR FLAG will be on the wall.
I have posted before
April 17, 2008 - 13:18 ET by DEVILDOCMOMabout Calvert...we used it for our son and it was wonderful and an excellent education. For the first three grades he was in a private school which gave him a wonderful base. We moved to a smaller town which was to have a great public school. NOT. Although he was put in the GATE program, it was a joke. A child who once loved to talk about learning was now talking about who was hitting whom on the playground. After part of one semester we pulled him out-talking to the school was useless. We checked and found Calvert. We all feel we were so fortunate to have this time together for learning.
WTH
April 16, 2008 - 18:43 ET by MrShy"Whoa! Come on man, get a grip.
Some girl from Maine lays down a few flags at a college, and it's suddenly a call to arms. Ha!
More hot air about a non-issue from WTH.
Tiger, the wheels are coming off. "
:p
(anticipated Leon flamethrowing post.... tick... tick.....)
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
No wheels coming off here
April 16, 2008 - 18:53 ET by DelsaI love ya and the cat BUT FLAGS on the floor is a BIG deal and if YOU can't see it Well?????.....
We do not "lay our flag on the floor". This is not art, it is DESECRATION!!
This so called artist uses the term "art" for her excuse. We do not put a crucifix in a jar of piss and we do not place our flag on the floor! Period!
I have an idea.
Lets lay the artist? on the floor and walk on her!
I he was spoofing the
April 16, 2008 - 19:06 ET by Chris NormanI think he's spoofing the expected posts from our liberal interlopers.
Delsa and Chris.
April 16, 2008 - 19:13 ET by bigtimerChris...I agree...he was.
Delsa...I feel the same read below, we have posted between each other at times...I feel the same as you though gal.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bigtimer
April 16, 2008 - 19:36 ET by DelsaWe happen to think alike.
in answer to another post, this "artist?" does NOT know what VA means.
If she is half bright she will think it is Virginia
Delsa...thanks...finally I
April 16, 2008 - 19:41 ET by bigtimerDelsa...thanks...finally I am laughing some.
BuffnBone is who you are thinking of and he is right too.
For me this is beyond sad....just deplorable.
They can take these excuses for so-called experiments and stick them where the sun doesn't shine....it is all an agenda...always has been since Vietnam flag burnings...
Makes me puke.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Delsa: Lets lay the
April 16, 2008 - 20:10 ET by tracheostomyDelsa: Lets lay the artist? on the floor and walk on her!
I'm pretty sure Yoko Ono already did that once.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I don't know about Yoko
April 16, 2008 - 20:16 ET by Warner Todd HustonI don't know about Yoko laying on the floor and getting walked on, but she sure walked all over that weak spinned John Lenon!!!
What? John Lennon was weak
April 16, 2008 - 20:36 ET by mandrakeWhat? John Lennon was weak spinned? As I recall (and I was there) John along with his pal Paul reinvented rock'n roll while the rest of the world was listening to Andy Williams sing Moon River.
John always stood up for what he believed in. As for his relationship with Yoko..I guess it was just love! My wife pushes me around every day, I don't mind because I'm happy just to have her!!
Lay the 'artist'?
April 17, 2008 - 11:10 ET by FranksamSorry, but I saw her picture. I do not want to see her laying on the floor. Vertical is bad enough.
Stand for something or fall
April 17, 2008 - 09:33 ET by BenderStand for something or fall for anything. Some of us value the blood, sweat, and tears that we or our family members shed in defense of our country. That flag may not mean anything to you but it means a hell of alot to us.
Thank you for putting this
April 16, 2008 - 18:51 ET by bigtimerThank you for putting this on here WTH...I have tears going down my cheeks at this moment, I am in between absolute outrage and love here.
I Salute Mr. Bennett....I wished I could hug him and say thank you, and they young man next to him.
I have to total disdain to put it mildly at the despicable POS Berger....and Kalikow to-boot.
Crane can go to hell with her disrespectful project.
I am grateful and proud of the majority of people who walked around the flag, not a piece of cloth but a symbol of freedom that our men have fought and died for since the beginning of this country.....we need a revolution...in whatever from it takes.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Whoa! Slow down!
April 16, 2008 - 18:53 ET by David N MODid any of you bother to read the article linked to by her name?
For once I was encouraged by the student response because 95 to 98% of the people refused to walk on the flag. Even she said ""It sparked conversation and thought about how we feel about our flag, which I think is very important. It was a very hard thing for me to do, to put the flag on the floor," she said. "
This wasn't so much art as it was a poll and while distasteful it at the very least elicited honest information, unlike the condescending, heavily leading polls I'm used to.
So, this time I applaud her... Just don't do it again. Grrrr.
David in Missouri
DNM... Yeah I read
April 16, 2008 - 19:04 ET by bigtimerDNM...
Yeah I read it....so what...our flag should never be used as any experiment, let alone laid on the ground to be walked on or not.
That is my opinion.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
experiment
April 16, 2008 - 20:06 ET by David N MOOur flag represents an experiment and so far it is the most successful experiment ever conducted by man. But if someone changes the experiment from one of expressing individual freedom and capitalism into a socialism or even on to comunism as I perceive the Democrat hopefuls want to do then the experiment finally dies and the flag looses its meaning. A measure of this is meaning is how people treat the flag. This young lady quantified this by creating imperfect flags and found that almost all people respected what they represented enough not to walk on them.
Let me ask this, have you ever thrown a Bible away? An old dog-eared, worn, scratched dirty Bible? Does it elicit the same emotional response that stepping on fake flags does?
Doing either is distasteful to me. But after seeing people burn our flag, fly the mexican flag over it and even seeing one taken down in the evening, wadded up and then thrown in the back seat of a car, I can appreciate what this young lady has done. And I think she now has more respect for it. As long as they continue not to teach civic responsibility in school what more can we expect?
DNM... We will just have
April 16, 2008 - 20:17 ET by bigtimerDNM...
We will just have to agree to disagree here.
I'm glad through all of this you think SHE has more respect now...isn't that just lovely...and isn't SHE important...
The only Lady that is Grand to me is the Flag...and a high flying flag at that...not one on the floor to be desecrated for some social experimental bimbo-ette.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
A 25-year Vet, her dad
April 16, 2008 - 20:33 ET by NortoA 25-year Vet, her dad approved the project as an expression of freedom of speech that he fought for.
Think about this, if you deny her speech, how long will it be b4 your freedom to express here is abridged?!
Satan is trying to fool you. BT, your eye is clouded . There are some things that need to be left alone, lest we lose all things.
Norto... Satan has
April 16, 2008 - 20:39 ET by bigtimerNorto...
Satan has nothing to do with this...my eyes are both clear....thank you very much.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
What bothers me most
April 16, 2008 - 21:12 ET by David N MOis that as i read thru all of these comments know that for most part we would agree with each other 99% of the time. Is this emotional response that much different than that of the many of the terrorists in Iraq? Would you shoot me because I'll stand up for the young lady who "desecrated" a faux flag that doesn't even appear to have 50 stars on it? If that is the case than I agree with Norto. Satan does indeed have his hand in it.
Dang it, I'm the most traditional conservative in my office!
Satan might have his hand
April 16, 2008 - 21:24 ET by bigtimerSatan might have his hand in this alright but not on my end.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
I've put more than my 2 cents in..
April 16, 2008 - 21:36 ET by David N MOTherefore, I wish you well.
David
Allowing someone to
April 16, 2008 - 21:41 ET by tracheostomyAllowing someone to exercise their right to free speech doesn't mean you have to give them the last word.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Yes, but
April 16, 2008 - 21:47 ET by David N MODrizzle, Drazzle, Drozzle, Drone.. Time for this one to go home.
Davd: Drizzle, Drazzle,
April 16, 2008 - 21:52 ET by tracheostomyDavid: Drizzle, Drazzle, Drozzle, Drone.. Time for this one to go home.
Translation:
*fingers in ears*
IamnotlisteningtoyouIamnothearingyounowIamnotlisteningtoyouIamnothearingyounowLaLaLaLa. . ."
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Drizzle...
April 16, 2008 - 22:46 ET by David N MOAarrrrg!
It just shows you
April 16, 2008 - 22:31 ET by DEVILDOCMOMeven the rare vet can be a fool. I can assure you my son does not feel he spent nearly a year in Iraq so this overweight loser can use our flag this way. BTW, my eyes are bright and clear.
"...even the rare vet..."
April 16, 2008 - 23:22 ET by Wilbur747hence Jimmy Carter, supporter of Hamas terrorists, and John Kerry..."they cut the ears off..."
You hit the nail on the head DDM.
My eyes too, are bright and clear. Too bad so many others have eyes that are clouded by emotions and not reality.
BTW, I know it sounds really sappy, but I pray for all of my brothers, past and present. And now especially for your son, since I found out through NB.
We live in Vail. If we can do anything for you, please let me know.
Thank you so much for your thoughts...
April 16, 2008 - 23:48 ET by DEVILDOCMOMand now, yes, I am laughing...how could I have not immediately thought of carter and kerry! We are north of you in Tucson. You live in a beautiful area. Thank you for your thoughts, I will tell my son and tho' he is a pretty quiet kid when I mention things such as this, I know he appreciates it.
AZ is all beautiful, babe!
April 17, 2008 - 00:18 ET by Wilbur747I'm serious DDM...Please let us know if we can do anything. I know, I'm a Zoomie, but we're all in this together. I know it sounds sappy.
I have lived all over the world, and I have never seen such beautiful sunsets!
One more thing..
April 17, 2008 - 00:28 ET by Wilbur747i don't mean to diss you Mom, but he's a man now! Stop calling him "kid"!!!
Army or Marines?
Either way, he's a man now, Mom!!!!!
LOL OK
April 17, 2008 - 13:28 ET by DEVILDOCMOMOK, I give up. You are right, of course...a man. He served in Iraq as a Navy Corpsman with the 5th Marines. Quite a few people I have met do not realize how the Corpsman is an integral part of his Marine unit and is in actual combat.
Fake?
April 16, 2008 - 20:44 ET by CobraMan"Does it elicit the same emotional response that stepping on fake flags does?"
Fake? Define a "fake" flag. If it's has the correct proportions, the proper layout, and the same colors of an American flag, then I'd hardly call it a "fake." Not all flags are made from cloth, you know. A flag is a symbol, not an object. I did't spend three months on Flag Duty at Ft. Eustis Va., proudly raising and lower our Flag every day, rain or shine, because it's an object, I did so because it's a symbol of this country and everything it stands for. When you reduce a flag to just an object, you reduce the country for which it stands to just an object as well.
BTW, America is not an "experiment." It’s a nation, a union of republic states, each with its own flag. There's no such thing as an "experimental" nation, especially one as large and as historic as America. This country is not a game, it’s not a test, and it’s not an experiment. Stop treating it as if it's only temporary.
Cobra.... Bulls-eye with
April 16, 2008 - 20:51 ET by bigtimerCobra....
Bulls-eye with your post and thank you too for your service.
Every one who has served has my gratitude.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Your welcome, BT
April 16, 2008 - 21:04 ET by CobraManYou’re welcome BT.
Although I do appreciate your gratitude very much, I would like to point out that I, like most other veterans, served not for the gratitude I receive from others. I served because of the gratitude I have for others like youself and the nation that shelters and sustains us all.
What
April 16, 2008 - 23:52 ET by DEVILDOCMOMa nice way to put your service.
I have an idea.
April 16, 2008 - 20:08 ET by Wilbur747Why not use the Hamas, Palestinian, Iranian or North Korean flag for this experiment just to show a balance of ideas?
I know, I know it won't happen.
That would be hate speech.
"It sparked conversation?"
April 16, 2008 - 19:01 ET by DelsaA public school, supported by taxpayer dollars, where you cannot speak the word "GOD", but now you can walk on the flag.
Where I grew up, this never could have happened and instead of sparking a conversation, it would have ended with a bloodied nose.
Does she now intend to dispose of the desecrated FLAGS in the proper way?
Maybe the artist has not had that lesson yet!
Oh, please, the left's
April 16, 2008 - 20:29 ET by motherbeltOh, please, the left's favorite excuse for whatever they do that's objectionable is to start a "conversation." Nothing's objectionable, as long as its "purpose" is to "spark a conversation."
You know what, Ms. Conversation-sparker? If you want to start a conversation about the flag...here's a hint: TALK to people!! Is that too obvious for your college-educated mind?????
And if it's just "a piece of cloth", here's a project for a Christian student: Come Christmas, set up a manger scene in the college square...the main area. When the administrators tell you to remove it, say: "Why?? What's the problem? It's only a man, a woman, and a baby!!" And say the purpose is to "spark a conversation" about freedom of speech and religion.
Would it be too much to ask
April 16, 2008 - 19:14 ET by BuffNBoneWould it be too much to ask that she take a trip through a ward at a VA hospital?
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
Really. They have
April 16, 2008 - 19:54 ET by Chris NormanReally. They have demonstrated love of country and defense of liberty far better than any misguided imbecilic "art project", in terms that can't even begin to be compared. By the way, this a tired type of art project that has lost all power to shock and has descended into just predictable boorishness. It's become trite.
I agree, but...
April 16, 2008 - 20:27 ET by Wilbur747I could not stomach seeing her walk through the same halls of my VA hospital knowing what she did. Especially when I have seen these people walk those hallowed halls:
A USS Arizona survivor
Several D-Day survivors
A Battle of Bastogne survivor
And many, many, many other survivors, nee, heroes from WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I and the current war.
She desecrated our flag and all it stands for, for nothing else but a good grade and notoriety.
She claims to be uneasy about laying our flag on the ground for this 'experiment'...she is a liar. She doesn't care.
No self respecting, true American would ever desecrate our the American flag, regardless of Her faults.
Her Dad is a 25-year Vet who
April 16, 2008 - 20:35 ET by NortoHer Dad is a 25-year Vet who approved the project.
I repeat myself.
So that makes him morally right?
April 16, 2008 - 21:55 ET by Wilbur747Her dad may have had a different motive than she or her professors did. After all, she had to have their permission first.
And we all know how most professors feel.
As far as THIS 24 year vet feels, IMHO, my flag is never, EVER used as an experiment and place on the ground just to see if others walk on it. Worst of all, it's for a stupid college class.
Her dad is extremely misguided...or a lib. I've read accounts from the Civil War of soldiers who, upon seeing the man carrying the flag getting shot, rushed to ensure the flag never touched the ground.
The Marines on Mt Suribachi sure unsured their flag never touched the ground.
Nor did the Honor Guard let it touch the ground as the casket was lowered into the grave.
I guess her father never watched his friends being buried.
Approval? Or merely acceptance?
April 17, 2008 - 12:27 ET by cheefloCrane's father, John McIlhinney of North Windham, retired from the U.S. Coast Guard, said he supported his daughter. "There is no law against it. I wouldn't step on it, but there is no law against it," McIlhinney said.
What he implied was that it was within her rights, and what he said was that it was within the law. That doesn't automatically mean approval of the thing itself.
I have a feeling he may be dismayed at her choice. But she's a 40-year-old woman -- presumably she is old enough to make adult decisions.
Adults display poor judgment all the time.
So let me get this streight
April 16, 2008 - 19:20 ET by DelsaThis "artist?" was conducting an experiment?
Ok so she sat in the halls of the school and counted how many stepped or did not step on the flag.
What was the scientific conclusion?
B...S...
This sad excuse is just that.
A sad excuse to desecrate OUR FLAG!
I think I finally have it figured out. . .
April 16, 2008 - 19:32 ET by tracheostomyYep. Artists are now scientists.
Scientists are prophets.
Prophets are comedians.
Comedians are news commentators.
News commentators are salesmen.
And salesmen are entertainers.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Excellent! It runs
April 16, 2008 - 19:44 ET by Chris NormanExcellent! It runs trippingly off the tongue...
an alternate version
April 16, 2008 - 19:58 ET by mom_roxReplace comedians are news commentators with
Comedians are sportscasters.
Sportscasters are news commentators.
A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944
I love it.
April 16, 2008 - 20:12 ET by tracheostomyBeautiful tweak there.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
mom rox...that it
April 16, 2008 - 20:20 ET by bigtimermom rox...that it was!
Are you listening Olbie?
Heheheee...
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
You forgot: Politicians are
April 16, 2008 - 20:20 ET by motherbeltYou forgot: Politicians are "rock stars" and "rock stars" are political pundits.
A meme is born.
April 16, 2008 - 20:37 ET by tracheostomyA meme is born.
*snif*
I'm so proud.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
I meant to say
April 16, 2008 - 20:02 ET by DelsaLet me get this "straight"
Where is my dictionary?
And by the way, we could take the stick with the dog poo on it, and place it in the principle's chair and call it art.
What would happen?
Will the principal sit on it or won't he/she?
It would be an artistic experiment to see if the principal appreciates ART!
Quote: "It sparked
April 16, 2008 - 19:27 ET by tracheostomyQuote: "It sparked conversation and thought about how we feel about our flag, which I think is very important. It was a very hard thing for me to do, to put the flag on the floor,"
But then she goes and does it anyway. . .she does it a lot.
How selectively subjective of her.
Where's Rick Monday when you need him?
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Quote: "It sparked
April 17, 2008 - 10:12 ET by sunandsteelYou can almost hear the sad violins playing in the background. Friggin useless college kid.
What doesn’t kill you, only makes you pissed off. -Children of Bodom
poem or poor grammar?
April 16, 2008 - 19:28 ET by mom_roxquote: UMF's president, Theo Kalikow, issued a completely empty statement after word got out about this unpatriotic display of hate.
Okay, aside from the obvious headscratching about why a quasi-sociology study is considered art, was the president's use of an incomplete sentence supposed to show that his statement was in the form of a poem or does it demonstrate the type of education being taught at UMF?
A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944
"Apparently now anything
April 16, 2008 - 19:36 ET by chessplayer"Apparently now anything can be called art.
Pick up some dog doo with a stick and pose it and it is art."
Thats EXACTLY how it goes, nowadays. They can get away with anything as long as they claim it`s "art." I guess putting the flag on the floor now ranks right up there with the works of Michelangelo and da Vinci. sarc/
It's only "art" to
April 16, 2008 - 19:45 ET by Indiana JoeIt's only "art" to small-minded posers. Like "Piss Christ" and the elephant-dung Madonna.
These fakers wouldn't know real art if they were hit on the head with it. Which is tempting, at times like these.
On reading this, I was
April 16, 2008 - 19:43 ET by Indiana JoeOn reading this, I was tempted to drop an email to this Kalikow person. But then I re-read his "statement."
"Art in all its forms is important. The anger that was experienced today. Students push the boundary of what learning is. First Amendment rights, freedom of expression. We share in a state of expression."
Any "college president" who could release such meaningless, ungrammatical nonsense probably wouldn't understand anything I sent him anyway. A complete tool.
Indiana Joe
April 16, 2008 - 20:01 ET by DelsaAnother reason to Home School. We have a dictionary and know how to use it.
AND my boys had to learn sentence diagraming.
The Chancellor is an avowed
April 16, 2008 - 20:44 ET by NortoThe Chancellor is an avowed lesbian who we paid to have her lover moved to the Farmington campus when Theodora took over the helm there. He is a she IJ.
How 'bout an 'IT'
April 16, 2008 - 20:53 ET by bigtimerHow 'bout an 'IT' Norto...that works for me.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
disgusting
April 16, 2008 - 19:45 ET by CattleDogthe nutty provost is answering his phones so you should politely express you views directly.
Perhaps
April 16, 2008 - 19:46 ET by DEVILDOCMOMwhen you are on the verge of being morbidly obese you need to try to call attention to yourself...
DevilDoc... I thought
April 16, 2008 - 19:50 ET by bigtimerDevilDoc...
I thought along those same lines too regarding her...if she gets her fifteen minutes of fame on the msm I am going to be more outraged, but I bet she will.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Of course this type of
April 16, 2008 - 19:51 ET by wiwfOf course this type of dissent will be absolutely verboten when a Dem becomes president.
The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy
I can't even begin to express my outrage.
April 16, 2008 - 19:58 ET by Wilbur747As an Air Force retiree, and one who has lost many friends to both enemy fire and training accidents (including one crash right in front oe me), one thing they ALL had in common when they died was that "piece of cloth" on their flight suits.
That same "piece of cloth" was draped their caskets, and a representation of that "piece of cloth" adorned the tails planes that flew over in the Missing Man Formation.
Damn these people to hell.
Yes, Wilber
April 16, 2008 - 20:03 ET by DEVILDOCMOMthe thought that this (I started to say little creep, but of course that isn't true) $%#&* creep would do this brought tears to my eyes. The fact that her father would go along with this is even worse.
The whole school, teacher, and her family should be ashamed.
Absolutely!
April 16, 2008 - 20:43 ET by Wilbur747Add 'shunned' to that.
I agree with the 1st ammendment to a point. When a '&4%#' like this can get away with her 'experiment' using my country's flag on the basis the she is creating thought and discussion, why can't I put a Hamas/NKorea/Muslim, etc flag down and see what happens?
Can I urinate (sorry) on a picture of Che Guevera, Kim Jung-Il or the Provost with no fear of being punished? It is, after all "art" and freedom of expression.
I e-mailed this article to Laura Ingraham/Limbaugh/HughHewitt sites as well as all my friends. I think the college needs to be flooded with (respectful) complaints.
LIKE YOURS?
April 16, 2008 - 20:46 ET by NortoLIKE YOURS?
You have a problem?
April 16, 2008 - 21:40 ET by Wilbur747So what's disrespectful about my comment? Other than that I disagree with you.
Please give me a point by point anaysis.
'&4%# First and last point.
April 16, 2008 - 21:52 ET by Norto'&4%#
First and last point. Sleep well. Got to catch some Celtics.
You must a lib troll.
April 16, 2008 - 22:29 ET by Wilbur747The posts on Huffington, DailyKos don't even compare to my "disrepect". Read these site then come back and tell me I'M disrespectful...?
Now that I think about it, your focus on my use of the shift key/number line may be an indication of my disrepect. You're right. I should have used other words, but my extreme rage at this issue has clouded my judgement.
At least I don't wish the death upon a real American like Mr. Heston just because he disgreed with the liberal view.
I know, because of your response about having to "catch some Celtics" that you must be a troll who runs when confronted with reality.
BTW. Do you know the true pronunciation of Celtics?
Never mind, you'll just google it cuz you don't really know.
delete
April 16, 2008 - 22:30 ET by Wilbur747double post...sorry.
Wilbur... I e-mailed this
April 16, 2008 - 20:47 ET by bigtimerWilbur...
I e-mailed this article to Laura Ingraham/Limbaugh/HughHewitt sites as well as all my friends. I think the college needs to be flooded with (respectful) complaints.
Great idea...thank you, glad you did and thank you for your service too...hope Rush has something about this in the next two days.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Me too BT
April 16, 2008 - 21:37 ET by Wilbur747I hope all the conservative stations pick up on this...are you listening NB Staff?
Spread this around! Everyone should write Laura/Sean/Rush/DocSavage, etc. Let everyone know how we feel.
Comments need to be respectful...which are the only comments I have ever seen from conservatives. See DailyKos and Huffington on Mr. Heston's passing to see what I'm talking about.
I know, like me, many are outraged at this, but I'll have a beer (homebrew of course), relax and have a good nights sleep before I write my response to this irresponsible university president and provost (capitalization left off to show my disrespect).
Thank you BT. I'm proud to have served and wish I could still. I had a blast! I flew around the planet, met so many neat people and now realize that all good thing must come to an end.
Alas, my contributions were geared to the Cold War and the 'contingency operations' that ensued worldwide. I still can't discuss them with my wife (damn they were fun though!).
I had no real input on War on Terror other than being a headquarters desk-jockey weenie just prior to retirement.
As such, as I walk the hallowed halls of the VA, I am so very humbled by those who gave so much more.
So very, very much more. That's why this story enrages me so.
Sorry to ramble on.
Wilbur.... Ramble all you
April 16, 2008 - 21:40 ET by bigtimerWilbur....
Ramble all you want.
You earned it...and I love your posts.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Luv reading your stuff too BT.
April 16, 2008 - 22:09 ET by Wilbur747I sit back and read everyone's post and love the interaction. There've been many times I wanted to post but realized I'm outgunned!
NBers are so intuitive and intellectual and I have a blast reading when you confront folks like Leon (the fly on the wall), et.al.
Keep up the good work BT and please spread the word about this issue. Our flag represents the best the world has to offer.
That's odd
April 16, 2008 - 22:33 ET by DEVILDOCMOM"shunned" was the word which came to my mind, but I changed it...you are right, I should have left it in my post. Thank you for your years of service.
As I posted above, my son served nearly a year in Iraq...this is not what he fought and killed for in the war.
Don't thank me...
April 16, 2008 - 23:52 ET by Wilbur747...let me thank you. With all my heart, as you are the mother of a patriot. We have no children.
I'm an old Cold War warrior. Our battles were with a different enemy, in a different time. I can't say what we did during my years flying around the planet and that's fine with me. We were never 'officially' in danger nor "exposed to enemy fire". I think our crew chief would say otherwise since he had to fix the holes.
Either way, I had a blast.
My experince is NOTHING to what your son, and you are going through. As an aviator then it's hard to imagine what the 'ground pounders' went through.
Your son is exposed to such grave danger. My wife and I pray for his safe return.
Bottom line, this story is what our vets, past and present, fought for.
Sorry to ramble on.
We had our son when we were older
April 16, 2008 - 23:59 ET by DEVILDOCMOMand he is a joy...most of the time. :) As you and I have discussed in these postings, I thank the vast majority of veterans for their service...there are a few who have IMO turned on the military for whatever reason.
I'll bet he is!
April 17, 2008 - 00:48 ET by Wilbur747There will always be those vets, who for whatever reason, be it that they can't get a post war job or what ever, will be mad at the current administration, thus will do or say anything to get attention, no matter how vile their statements may be.
I seriously have a hard time when I walk down the halls of the VA here and see those who've lost so much for that "piece of cloth" and now am told to think that this project is about "art"..
Would Crane Be Expelled for Using a Koran instead of a Flag?
April 16, 2008 - 20:01 ET by allanfIn addition to the flags, Ms. Crane could have placed mutilated Bibles on the floor. I'm sure the college administrators would have found that innovative and artful.
But can you imagine the outrage on her campus if she had used a Koran as part of her Art?
LOL!
April 16, 2008 - 20:08 ET by Mr. KafirGreat minds!!!!
"Israel and Palestine should have their countries taken away from them, put in timeout, until they can prove they can get along." - balboa, ignorant bastard, 3/17/08
allanf.... EXCELLENT! "N
April 16, 2008 - 20:24 ET by bigtimerallanf....
EXCELLENT!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
You are right...
April 16, 2008 - 22:37 ET by DEVILDOCMOMif she had used the Koran it would be an outrage and I truly believe, it would be the lead story on every antique media outlet. Of course, Katie and Bobby would have to have chose between that story and the one they ran the sad saga of the dems destroying themselves.
"empty showboating",
April 16, 2008 - 20:03 ET by balboa"empty showboating", "exercise in desecration", "circle-jerking of the hatemongers", "self-loathing, anti-Americans", "Marxist work shops of the Weather Underground, the SDS, or the equally Marxist NEA". I can't tell: Is WTH in favor of this project or against it?
I can see why people would be upset about putting the flag on the floor where people might walk on it, but it is interesting to see how many people would avoid the flags, and it's already spurring discussion on this site.
So you're for desecration
April 16, 2008 - 20:07 ET by Mr. KafirSo you're for desecration of the flag or against it? I can't tell.
"Israel and Palestine should have their countries taken away from them, put in timeout, until they can prove they can get along." - balboa, ignorant bas