Will MSM Cover U. of Maine U.S. Flag Desecration?

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We have another incident of empty showboating by a college kid who imagines herself to be making "art" and a "statement" by placing American flags on the floor in hopes that people would disrespect them enough to walk upon them. One Miss Susan Crane of the University of Maine at Farmington decided that her "art" was going to be an exercise in desecration. Keep your eye on this and see if the MSM will cover it. It is just starting to make the blog rounds.

Unfortunately, all we have is another disrespectful kid doing the same thing that a dozen other disrespectful kids have done at anti-American campuses across the country over the last 40 years or so. There isn't a thing "new" or even unexpected about it at this point. This makes her "statement" empty and pointless. But Crane has been fooled by her anti-American professors into imagining she is sparking a "conversation" about patriotism and the flag.

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"Ninety-five to 98 percent of the people didn't walk on the flags," Crane said of her findings. The other reaction she was hoping for was one of thoughtful reflection on his or her individual patriotism.

"It sparked conversation and thought about how we feel about our flag, which I think is very important. It was a very hard thing for me to do, to put the flag on the floor," she said.

Oh, we get these sort of self-loathing, anti-Americans every single time there is national turmoil of some sort or another. They imagine they are being "edgy" and "artistic" with their displays of hate for their own country. And they get congratulated by their equally vacuous teachers and professors that were trained in the Marxist work shops of the Weather Underground, the SDS, or the equally Marxist NEA. But, when all is said and done, no "conversation" is sparked. Only emotions.Worse, the MSM come to cover such people with laurels for being "brave" enough to go against most people's love for their country.

Now, here is the question: does desecrating the flag help foster any debate? I don't think it does, but then again, my reaction with this project reflects about the only "conversation" that Miss Crane will get with her display of ignorance. It will be all of emotion and no substance.

No one goes away from one of these idiotic displays of hate with any newer understanding of the issues of patriotism or the actions of the government of the United States. No history is learned, no issues settled. All we have is the self-congratulatory, circle-jerking of the hatemongers in our Universities who are so proud to be sending out into the great world another American citizen indoctrinated to hate their own country.

Here is a perfect example of what I am talking about. UMF's president, Theo Kalikow, issued a completely empty statement after word got out about this unpatriotic display of hate.

"Art in all its forms is important. The anger that was experienced today. Students push the boundary of what learning is. First Amendment rights, freedom of expression. We share in a state of expression."

Kalikow's empty moralizing shows that this display of hatred was meaningless in the end. It resulted in nothing but anger even as the unpatriotic president of UMF tries to see some good, ANY good, in it. (You can email president Kalikow with this address: kalikow@maine.edu.)

At least one fellow was incensed enough to confront the educrats at UMF. Charlie Bennett, American Legion 4th District commander, a Vietnam Vet, went on down and began to pick the flags up from the floor. Naturally, the college administrators warned him that they'd call the police for his arrest.

So, a man who put his life on the line for that flag and for the folks wandering the halls of UMF was to be arrested for his patriotism? Typical.

There is a video of Mr. Bennett confronting these anti-Americans in the hallways of UMF. Bennett was confronted by the University Provost Allen Berger who told the veteran that he "didn't fight for a piece of cloth." (His number is 207-778-7279, and email is aberger@maine.edu.)


In any case, what we have here is but useless ginning up of emotions by a college kid who has been misled to believe that she is actually advancing the cause of Americanism instead of defeating it. She is the recipient of another wasted exercise in what is called “education” in this country. This is why our schools are becoming the laughing stock of real education everywhere.

Lastly, I'll bet that if the MSM does bother to cover this it will be presented as an innocent student being attacked by "right-wing" activists. Keep your eyes peeled and report back here what you've seen.

 


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It's all about flash and

It's all about flash and mindless rebellion with these people, substance and morality take back seat to superfical feel-good "advocacy."

Careful, her father is a

Careful, her father is a 25-year Vet who approved her project because as he said, he fought for her right to express herself.

She dismantled it b4 the night was over, because of the furor. She really wanted to see whether people would respect the flag or not. 

Missing Something Here

95% to 98% of the students DID NOT step on the flags. This is a good thing, the youth in this country is waking up to this kind of nonsense and rejecting the indroctrination attempted by some Universities.

I have no idea

Why liberals hate their country so much.

What do you think the

What do you think the reaction would be if they let an "Artist" put down an flag of a nation like Iran by this same crowd?

 

 

"How do you know when Hillary Clinton is lying?".."When She opens her mouth to talk."Neal Boort

there would riots due to

there would riots due to the disrespect we show that flag

 

"As a news consumer, however, the word of an MSM journalist isn't good enough." - Dabird

plenty of countries to choose from

mlong, excellent point. Or flags from China (for the free-Tibet crowd), Zimbabwe, Burma (aka Myanmar), etc. (not that I approve of placing flags on the ground)

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944

Or Mexico, or the UN flag,

Or Mexico, or the UN flag, or pages from a Koran, or pictures of Che Guevara......

or the koran

or the koran

The left sickens me.

Apparently now anything can be called art.

Pick up some dog doo with a stick and pose it and it is art.

I wonder how much that Provost would protect the rights of a student who wanted to display a war memorial artistically.

How far would he protect the rights of a ROTC group to hand out flyers.

Another disgusting example of left-over left-wing pinkos who don't know the sixties are over.

 

 

Victory in Iraq.

Liberals suck.

American Flags on the floor?

This is why every parent with a brain should home school their children.

Look up Calvert and Keystone.

Calvert is curriculum for the younger ones and Keystone is the high school curriculum.

Excellent and any parent can do it. More importantly, your children will get a Wonderful education.

AND OUR FLAG will be on the wall.

I have posted before

about Calvert...we used it for our son and it was wonderful and an excellent education. For the first three grades he was in a private school which gave him a wonderful base. We moved to a smaller town which was to have a great public school. NOT. Although he was put in the GATE program, it was a joke. A child who once loved to talk about learning was now talking about who was hitting whom on the playground. After part of one semester we pulled him out-talking to the school was useless. We checked and found Calvert. We all feel we were so fortunate to have this time together for learning.

WTH

"Whoa! Come on man, get a grip.

Some girl from Maine lays down a few flags at a college, and it's suddenly a call to arms. Ha!

More hot air about a non-issue from WTH.

Tiger, the wheels are coming off. "

:p

(anticipated Leon flamethrowing post.... tick... tick.....)

 

* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change

 

No wheels coming off here

I love ya and the cat BUT FLAGS on the floor is a BIG deal and if YOU can't see it Well?????.....

We do not "lay our flag on the floor". This is not art, it is DESECRATION!!

This so called artist uses the term "art" for her excuse. We do not put a crucifix in a jar of piss and we do not place our flag on the floor! Period!

I have an idea.

Lets lay the artist? on the floor and walk on her!

I he was spoofing the

I think he's spoofing the expected posts from our liberal interlopers.

Delsa and Chris.

Chris...I agree...he was.

Delsa...I feel the same read below, we have posted between each other at times...I feel the same as you though gal.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

bigtimer

We happen to think alike.

in answer to another post, this "artist?" does NOT know what VA means.

If she is half bright she will think it is Virginia

Delsa...thanks...finally I

Delsa...thanks...finally I am laughing some.

BuffnBone is who you are thinking of and he is right too.

For me this is beyond sad....just deplorable.

They can take these excuses for so-called experiments and stick them where the sun doesn't shine....it is all an agenda...always has been since Vietnam flag burnings...

Makes me puke.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Delsa:  Lets lay the

Delsa:  Lets lay the artist? on the floor and walk on her!

I'm pretty sure Yoko Ono already did that once.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

I don't know about Yoko

I don't know about Yoko laying on the floor and getting walked on, but she sure walked all over that weak spinned John Lenon!!!

What? John Lennon was weak

What? John Lennon was weak spinned? As I recall (and I was there) John along with his pal Paul reinvented rock'n roll while the rest of the world was listening to Andy Williams sing Moon River.

John always stood up for what he believed in. As for his relationship with Yoko..I guess it was just love! My wife pushes me around every day, I don't mind because I'm happy just to have her!!  

Lay the 'artist'?

Sorry, but I saw her picture. I do not want to see her laying on the floor. Vertical is bad enough.

Stand for something or fall

Stand for something or fall for anything. Some of us value the blood, sweat, and tears that we or our family members shed in defense of our country. That flag may not mean anything to you but it means a hell of alot to us.

Thank you for putting this

Thank you for putting this on here WTH...I have tears going down my cheeks at this moment, I am in between absolute outrage and love here.

I Salute Mr. Bennett....I wished I could hug him and say thank you, and they young man next to him.

I have to total disdain to put it mildly at the despicable POS Berger....and Kalikow to-boot. 

Crane can go to hell with her disrespectful project.

I am grateful and proud of the majority of people who walked around the flag, not a piece of cloth but a symbol of freedom that our men have fought and died for since the beginning of this country.....we need a revolution...in whatever from it takes. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Whoa! Slow down!

Did any of you bother to read the article linked to by her name?

For once I was encouraged by the student response because 95 to 98% of the people refused to walk on the flag.  Even she said ""It sparked conversation and thought about how we feel about our flag, which I think is very important. It was a very hard thing for me to do, to put the flag on the floor," she said. "

This wasn't so much art as it was a poll and while distasteful it at the very least elicited honest information, unlike the condescending, heavily leading polls I'm used to.

So, this time I applaud her...  Just don't do it again.  Grrrr.

David in Missouri

DNM... Yeah I read

DNM...

Yeah I read it....so what...our flag should never be used as any experiment, let alone laid on the ground to be walked on or not.

That is my opinion.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

experiment

Our flag represents an experiment and so far it is the most successful experiment ever conducted by man.  But if someone changes the experiment from one of expressing individual freedom and capitalism into a socialism or even on to comunism as I perceive the Democrat hopefuls want to do then the experiment finally dies and the flag looses its meaning.  A measure of this is meaning is how people treat the flag. This young lady quantified this by creating imperfect flags and found that almost all people respected what they represented enough not to walk on them.

Let me ask this, have you ever thrown a Bible away?  An old dog-eared, worn, scratched dirty Bible?  Does it elicit the same emotional response that stepping on fake flags does?

 Doing either is distasteful to me. But after seeing people burn our flag, fly the mexican flag over it and even seeing one taken down in the evening, wadded up and then thrown in the back seat of a car,  I can appreciate what this young lady has done.  And I think she now has more respect for it. As long as they continue not to teach civic responsibility in school what more can we expect?

 

DNM... We will just have

DNM...

We will just have to agree to disagree here.

I'm glad through all of this you think SHE has more respect now...isn't that just lovely...and isn't SHE important...

The only Lady that is Grand to me is the Flag...and a high flying flag at that...not one on the floor to be desecrated for some social experimental bimbo-ette.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

A 25-year Vet, her dad

A 25-year Vet, her dad approved the project as an expression of freedom of speech that he fought for. 

Think about this, if you deny her speech, how long will it be b4 your freedom to express here is abridged?!

Satan is trying to fool you. BT, your eye is clouded . There are some things that need to be left alone, lest we lose all things. 

Norto... Satan has

Norto...

Satan has nothing to do with this...my eyes are both clear....thank you very much.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

What bothers me most

is that as i read thru all of these comments know that for most part we would agree with each other 99% of the time.  Is this emotional response that much different than that of the many of the terrorists in Iraq?  Would you shoot me because I'll stand up for the young lady who "desecrated" a faux flag that doesn't even appear to have 50 stars on it?  If that is the case than I agree with Norto.  Satan does indeed have his hand in it.

Dang it, I'm the most traditional conservative in my office!

Satan might have his hand

Satan might have his hand in this alright but not on my end.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

I've put more than my 2 cents in..

Therefore, I wish you well.

David

Allowing someone to

Allowing someone to exercise their right to free speech doesn't mean you have to give them the last word.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Yes, but

Drizzle, Drazzle, Drozzle, Drone..  Time for this one to go home.

Davd:  Drizzle, Drazzle,

David:  Drizzle, Drazzle, Drozzle, Drone..  Time for this one to go home.

Translation: 

*fingers in ears*

IamnotlisteningtoyouIamnothearingyounowIamnotlisteningtoyouIamnothearingyounowLaLaLaLa. . ."

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Drizzle...

Aarrrrg!

It just shows you

even the rare vet can be a fool. I can assure you my son does not feel he spent nearly a year in Iraq so this overweight loser can use our flag this way. BTW, my eyes are bright and clear.

"...even the rare vet..."

hence Jimmy Carter, supporter of Hamas terrorists, and John Kerry..."they cut the ears off..."

You hit the nail on the head DDM.

My eyes too, are bright and clear.  Too bad so many others have eyes that are clouded by emotions and not reality.

BTW, I know it sounds really sappy, but I pray for all of my brothers, past and present. And now especially for your son, since I found out through NB.

We live in Vail. If we can do anything for you, please let me know.

Thank you so much for your thoughts...

and now, yes, I am laughing...how could I have not immediately thought of carter and kerry! We are north of you in Tucson. You live in a beautiful area. Thank you for your thoughts, I will tell my son and tho' he is a pretty quiet kid when I mention things such as this, I know he appreciates it.

AZ is all beautiful, babe!

I'm serious DDM...Please let us know if we can do anything. I know, I'm a Zoomie, but we're all in this together.  I know it sounds sappy.

 I have lived all over the world, and I have never seen such beautiful sunsets! 

 

One more thing..

i don't mean to diss you Mom, but he's a man now! Stop calling him "kid"!!!

Army or Marines?

Either way, he's a man now, Mom!!!!!

LOL OK

OK, I give up. You are right, of course...a man. He served in Iraq as a Navy Corpsman with the 5th Marines. Quite a few people I have met do not realize how the Corpsman is an integral part of his Marine unit and is in actual combat.

Fake?

"Does it elicit the same emotional response that stepping on fake flags does?"

Fake? Define a "fake" flag. If it's has the correct proportions, the proper layout, and the same colors of an American flag, then I'd hardly call it a "fake." Not all flags are made from cloth, you know. A flag is a symbol, not an object. I did't spend three months on Flag Duty at Ft. Eustis Va., proudly raising and lower our Flag every day, rain or shine, because it's an object, I did so because it's a symbol of this country and everything it stands for. When you reduce a flag to just an object, you reduce the country for which it stands to just an object as well.

BTW, America is not an "experiment." It’s a nation, a union of republic states, each with its own flag. There's no such thing as an "experimental" nation, especially one as large and as historic as America. This country is not a game, it’s not a test, and it’s not an experiment. Stop treating it as if it's only temporary.

Cobra.... Bulls-eye with

Cobra....

Bulls-eye with your post and thank you too for your service.

Every one who has served has my gratitude. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Your welcome, BT

You’re welcome BT.

Although I do appreciate your gratitude very much, I would like to point out that I, like most other veterans, served not for the gratitude I receive from others. I served because of the gratitude I have for others like youself and the nation that shelters and sustains us all.

What

a nice way to put your service.

I have an idea.

Why not use the Hamas, Palestinian, Iranian or North Korean flag for this experiment just to show a balance of ideas?

 I know, I know it won't happen.

That would be hate speech.

"It sparked conversation?"

A public school, supported by taxpayer dollars, where you cannot speak the word "GOD", but now you can walk on the flag.

Where I grew up, this never could have happened and instead of sparking a conversation, it would have ended with a bloodied nose.

Does she now intend to dispose of the desecrated FLAGS in the proper way?

Maybe the artist has not had that lesson yet!

Oh, please, the left's

Oh, please, the left's favorite excuse for whatever they do that's objectionable is to start a "conversation." Nothing's objectionable, as long as its "purpose" is to "spark a conversation."

You know what, Ms. Conversation-sparker? If you want to start a conversation about the flag...here's a hint: TALK to people!! Is that too obvious for your college-educated mind?????

And if it's just "a piece of cloth", here's a project for a Christian student: Come Christmas, set up a manger scene in the college square...the main area. When the administrators tell you to remove it, say: "Why?? What's the problem? It's only a man, a woman, and a baby!!" And say the purpose is to "spark a conversation" about freedom of speech and religion.

Would it be too much to ask

Would it be too much to ask that she take a trip through a ward at a VA hospital?

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

Really. They have

Really. They have demonstrated love of country and defense of liberty far better than any misguided imbecilic "art project", in terms that can't even begin to be compared. By the way, this a tired type of art project that has lost all power to shock and has descended into just predictable boorishness. It's become trite.

I agree, but...

I could not stomach seeing her walk through the same halls of my VA hospital knowing what she did. Especially when I have seen these people walk those hallowed halls:

A USS Arizona survivor

Several D-Day survivors

A Battle of Bastogne survivor

And many, many, many other survivors, nee, heroes from WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I and the current war.

She desecrated our flag and all it stands for, for nothing else but a good grade and notoriety.

She claims to be uneasy about laying our flag on the ground for this 'experiment'...she is a liar. She doesn't care.

No self respecting, true American would ever desecrate our the American flag, regardless of Her faults.

 

Her Dad is a 25-year Vet who

Her Dad is a 25-year Vet who approved the project.

I repeat myself. 

So that makes him morally right?

Her dad may have had a different motive than she or her professors did. After all, she had to have their permission first.

And we all know how most professors feel.

As far as THIS 24 year vet feels, IMHO, my flag is never, EVER used as an experiment and place on the ground just to see if others walk on it.  Worst of all, it's for a stupid college class.

Her dad is extremely misguided...or a lib.  I've read accounts from the Civil War of soldiers who, upon seeing the man carrying the flag getting shot, rushed to ensure the flag never touched the ground.

The Marines on Mt Suribachi sure unsured their flag never touched the ground.

Nor did the Honor Guard let it touch the ground as the casket was lowered into the grave. 

I guess her father never watched his friends being buried.

Approval? Or merely acceptance?

Crane's father, John McIlhinney of North Windham, retired from the U.S. Coast Guard, said he supported his daughter. "There is no law against it. I wouldn't step on it, but there is no law against it," McIlhinney said.

What he implied was that it was within her rights, and what he said was that it was within the law. That doesn't automatically mean approval of the thing itself.

I have a feeling he may be dismayed at her choice. But she's a 40-year-old woman -- presumably she is old enough to make adult decisions.

Adults display poor judgment all the time.

So let me get this streight

This "artist?" was conducting an experiment?

Ok so she sat in the halls of the school and counted how many stepped or did not step on the flag.

What was the scientific conclusion?

B...S...

This sad excuse is just that.

A sad excuse to desecrate OUR FLAG!

I think I finally have it figured out. . .

Yep.  Artists are now scientists.

Scientists are prophets.

Prophets are comedians.

Comedians are news commentators.

News commentators are salesmen.

And salesmen are entertainers.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Excellent! It runs

Excellent! It runs trippingly off the tongue...

an alternate version

Replace comedians are news commentators with

Comedians are sportscasters.
Sportscasters are news commentators.

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944

I love it.

Beautiful tweak there. 

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

mom rox...that it

mom rox...that it was!

Are you listening Olbie?

Heheheee...

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

You forgot: Politicians are

You forgot: Politicians are "rock stars" and "rock stars" are political pundits.

A meme is born. 

A meme is born. 

*snif*

I'm so proud.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

I meant to say

Let me get this "straight"

Where is my dictionary?

And by the way, we could take the stick with the dog poo on it, and place it in the principle's chair and call it art.

What would happen? 

Will the principal sit on it or won't he/she?

It would be an artistic experiment to see if the principal appreciates ART!

Quote:  "It sparked

Quote:  "It sparked conversation and thought about how we feel about our flag, which I think is very important. It was a very hard thing for me to do, to put the flag on the floor,"

But then she goes and does it anyway. . .she does it a lot. 

How selectively subjective of her.

Where's Rick Monday when you need him?

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Quote: "It sparked

Quote: "It sparked conversation and thought about how we feel about our flag, which I think is very important. It was a very hard thing for me to do, to put the flag on the floor,"

You can almost hear the sad violins playing in the background. Friggin useless college kid.


What doesn’t kill you, only makes you pissed off. -Children of Bodom  

poem or poor grammar?

quote: UMF's president, Theo Kalikow, issued a completely empty statement after word got out about this unpatriotic display of hate.

"The anger that was experienced today." 

Okay, aside from the obvious headscratching about why a quasi-sociology study is considered art, was the president's use of an incomplete sentence supposed to show that his statement was in the form of a poem or does it demonstrate the type of education being taught at UMF?

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
- George Bernard Shaw, 1944

"Apparently now anything

"Apparently now anything can be called art.

Pick up some dog doo with a stick and pose it and it is art."

 

Thats EXACTLY how it goes, nowadays. They can get away with anything as long as they claim it`s "art."  I  guess  putting the flag on the floor now ranks right up there with the works of Michelangelo and da Vinci. sarc/ 

It's only "art" to

It's only "art" to small-minded posers. Like "Piss Christ" and the elephant-dung Madonna.

These fakers wouldn't know real art if they were hit on the head with it. Which is tempting, at times like these.

On reading this, I was

On reading this, I was tempted to drop an email to this Kalikow person. But then I re-read his "statement."

"Art in all its forms is important. The anger that was experienced today. Students push the boundary of what learning is. First Amendment rights, freedom of expression. We share in a state of expression."

Any "college president" who could release such meaningless, ungrammatical nonsense probably wouldn't understand anything I sent him anyway. A complete tool.

Indiana Joe

Another reason to Home School. We have a dictionary and know how to use it.

AND my boys had to learn sentence diagraming.

 

The Chancellor is an avowed

The Chancellor is an avowed lesbian who we paid to have her lover moved to the Farmington campus when Theodora took over the helm there. He is a she IJ.

How 'bout an 'IT'

How 'bout an 'IT' Norto...that works for me.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

disgusting

the nutty provost is answering his phones so you should politely express you views directly.

Perhaps

when you are on the verge of being morbidly obese you need to try to call attention to yourself...

DevilDoc... I thought

DevilDoc...

I thought along those same lines too regarding her...if she gets her fifteen minutes of fame on the msm I am going to be more outraged, but I bet she will.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Of course this type of

Of course this type of dissent will be absolutely verboten when a Dem becomes president.

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

I can't even begin to express my outrage.

As an Air Force retiree, and one who has lost many friends to both enemy fire and training accidents (including one crash right in front oe me), one thing they ALL had in common when they died was that "piece of cloth" on their flight suits.

That same "piece of cloth" was draped their caskets, and a representation of that "piece of cloth" adorned the tails planes that flew over in the Missing Man Formation.

Damn these people to hell.

Yes, Wilber

the thought that this (I started to say little creep, but of course that isn't true) $%#&* creep would do this brought tears to my eyes. The fact that her father would go along with this is even worse.

The whole school, teacher, and her family should be ashamed.

Absolutely!

Add 'shunned' to that.

I agree with the 1st ammendment to a point. When a '&4%#' like this can get away with her 'experiment' using my country's flag on the basis the she is creating thought and discussion, why can't I put a Hamas/NKorea/Muslim, etc flag down and see what happens?

Can I urinate (sorry) on a picture of Che Guevera, Kim Jung-Il or the Provost with no fear of being punished?  It is, after all "art" and freedom of expression.

I e-mailed this article to Laura Ingraham/Limbaugh/HughHewitt sites as well as all my friends. I think the college needs to be flooded with (respectful) complaints.

 

LIKE YOURS?

LIKE YOURS?

You have a problem?

So what's disrespectful about my comment? Other than that I disagree with you.

Please give me a point by point anaysis.

'&4%# First and last point.

'&4%#

First and last point. Sleep well. Got  to catch some Celtics.

You must a lib troll.

The posts on Huffington, DailyKos don't even compare to my "disrepect".  Read these site then come back and tell me I'M disrespectful...?

Now that I think about it, your focus on my use of the shift key/number line may be an indication of my disrepect. You're right. I should have used other words, but my extreme rage at this issue has clouded my judgement.

At least I don't wish the death upon a real American like Mr. Heston just because he disgreed with the liberal view.

I know, because of your response about having to "catch some Celtics" that you must be a troll who runs when confronted with reality.

BTW. Do you know the true pronunciation of Celtics? 

Never mind, you'll just google it cuz you don't really know.

 

delete

double post...sorry.

 

Wilbur... I e-mailed this

Wilbur...

I e-mailed this article to Laura Ingraham/Limbaugh/HughHewitt sites as well as all my friends. I think the college needs to be flooded with (respectful) complaints.

Great idea...thank you, glad you did and thank you for your service too...hope Rush has something about this in the next two days. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Me too BT

I hope all the conservative stations pick up on this...are you listening NB Staff?

Spread this around! Everyone should write Laura/Sean/Rush/DocSavage, etc. Let everyone know how we feel.

Comments need to be respectful...which are the only comments I have ever seen from conservatives. See DailyKos and Huffington on Mr. Heston's passing to see what I'm talking about.

I know, like me, many are outraged at this, but I'll have a beer (homebrew of course), relax and have a good nights sleep before I write my response to this irresponsible university president and provost (capitalization left off to show my disrespect).

Thank you BT. I'm proud to have served and wish I could still.  I had a blast! I flew around the planet, met so many neat people and now realize that all good thing must come to an end.

Alas, my contributions were geared to the Cold War and the 'contingency operations' that ensued worldwide. I still can't discuss them  with my wife (damn they were fun though!).

I had no real input on War on Terror other than being a headquarters desk-jockey weenie just prior to retirement.

As such, as I walk the hallowed halls of the VA, I am so very humbled by those who gave so much more. 

 So very, very much more. That's why this story enrages me so.

Sorry to ramble on.

Wilbur.... Ramble all you

Wilbur....

Ramble all you want.

You earned it...and I love your posts.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Luv reading your stuff too BT.

I sit back and read everyone's post and love the interaction. There've been many times I wanted to post but realized I'm outgunned!

NBers are so intuitive and intellectual and I have a blast reading when you confront folks like Leon (the fly on the wall), et.al.

Keep up the good work BT and please spread the word about this issue. Our flag represents the best the world has to offer.

 

That's odd

"shunned" was the word which came to my mind, but I changed it...you are right, I should have left it in my post. Thank you for your years of service.

As I posted above, my son served nearly a year in Iraq...this is not what he fought and killed for in the war.

Don't thank me...

...let me thank you. With all my heart, as you are the mother of a patriot. We have no children.

I'm an old Cold War warrior. Our battles were with a different enemy, in a different time.  I can't say what we did during my years flying around the planet and that's fine with me. We were never 'officially' in danger nor "exposed to enemy fire".  I think our crew chief would say otherwise since he had to fix the holes.

Either way, I had a blast. 

My experince is NOTHING to what your son, and you are going through. As an aviator then it's hard to imagine what the 'ground pounders' went through.

Your son is exposed to such grave danger. My wife and I pray for his safe return.

Bottom line, this story is what our vets, past and present, fought for.

Sorry to ramble on.

We had our son when we were older

and he is a joy...most of the time. :) As you and I have discussed in these postings, I thank the vast majority of veterans for their service...there are a few who have IMO turned on the military for whatever reason.

I'll bet he is!

There will always be those vets, who for whatever reason, be it that they can't get a post war job or what ever, will be mad at the current administration, thus will do or say anything to get attention, no matter how vile their statements may be.

I seriously have a hard time when I walk down the halls of the VA here and see those who've lost so much for that "piece of cloth" and now am told to think that this project is about "art"..

Would Crane Be Expelled for Using a Koran instead of a Flag?

In addition to the flags, Ms. Crane could have placed mutilated Bibles on the floor.  I'm sure the college administrators would have found that innovative and artful.

But can you imagine the outrage on her campus if she had used a Koran as part of her Art?

LOL!

Great minds!!!! 

 

"Israel and Palestine should have their countries taken away from them, put in timeout, until they can prove they can get along." - balboa, ignorant bastard, 3/17/08

allanf.... EXCELLENT! "N

allanf....

EXCELLENT!

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

You are right...

if she had used the Koran it would be an outrage and I truly believe, it would be the lead story on every antique media outlet. Of course, Katie and Bobby would have to have chose between that story and the one they ran the sad saga of the dems destroying themselves.

"empty showboating",

"empty showboating", "exercise in desecration", "circle-jerking of the hatemongers", "self-loathing, anti-Americans", "Marxist work shops of the Weather Underground, the SDS, or the equally Marxist NEA". I can't tell: Is WTH in favor of this project or against it?

I can see why people would be upset about putting the flag on the floor where people might walk on it, but it is interesting to see how many people would avoid the flags, and it's already spurring discussion on this site.

So you're for desecration

So you're for desecration of the flag or against it? I can't tell. 

"Israel and Palestine should have their countries taken away from them, put in timeout, until they can prove they can get along." - balboa, ignorant bastard, 3/17/08

I'm in favor of you, and all

I'm in favor of you, and all you stand for. 

Wow. That's deep. I'm impressed.

"Israel and Palestine should have their countries taken away from them, put in timeout, until they can prove they can get along." - balboa, ignorant bastard, 3/17/08

Anything for you, Sunshine.

 

Really? Then heres a suggestion:

Never post here again. But I bet you lied. 

 

"Israel and Palestine should have their countries taken away from them, put in timeout, until they can prove they can get along." - balboa, ignorant bastard, 3/17/08

Well played. But I know you

Well played. But I know you don't mean it. You need someone to refer to as an ignorant bastard. :-)

Oh boa...how lovely that

Oh boa...how lovely that you can see why people might be upset with the flag being desecrated for an experiment, just a class project...ect ect ect...blah blah blah.......

Your comment isn't even one single bit cute this time. 

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

b-timer, what's wrong with

b-timer, what's wrong with understanding why people would be upset?

boa in this instance

boa in this instance here...don't play coy with me with your words.

This isn't one bit funny to me.

Save it.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Bal:  I can see why people

Bal:  I can see why people would be upset about putting the flag on the floor where people might walk on it, but it is interesting to see how many people would avoid the flags, and it's already spurring discussion on this site.

But Miss Crane is acting as an agent provocateur on our behalf. 

Thus, for discussion's sake alone, her act was totally unnecessary.

And another thing, I love how you use the word "interesting."

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

It's an interesting -- to me

It's an interesting -- to me -- experiment to see how many people step on the flag and how many do not. Would I conduct this experiment? No. I'm not interested in provoking people to such a degree. (despite what some on here might say) 

Bal:  It's an interesting

Bal:  It's an interesting -- to me -- experiment to see how many people step on the flag and how many do not.

Interesting = entertaining?

Interesting = educational?

Interesting = some sort of collective navel watching social introspection?

Interesting = like watching a car accident sort-of interesting?

Bal:  Would I conduct this experiment? No. I'm not interested in provoking people to such a degree. (despite what some on here might say)

Okay.  Nevermind my questions then.  You just answered for me.  Thanks.  Appreciated.

"Interesting" = a piece of pseudo-intellectualist libspeak substitute jargon for when you're too chicken to actually state your true feelings on a subject.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

It's an interesting social

It's an interesting social experiment. That seems pretty plain spoken to me, not pseudo-intellectual substitute jargon.

I'm not too chicken to state my feelings on here. 

Bal,

I found that comment particularly interesting.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

"Particularly" or

"Particularly" or "peculiarly"? Or "practically"? Or "pragmatically"?

Ah yes, I find that

Ah yes, I find that question very interesting.  It's very controversial and thought-provoking.  Some say it would "raise consciousness," "social awareness," or could "potentially enlighten" others. 

Or, I could say it was all just a joke.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

I dare that bastion of

I dare that bastion of intellect and bravery to LAY KORANS ON THE FLOOR AND WALK ALL OVER THEM. Then we'll see what they're made of. Because you know, its only a bunch of dead trees.

Walking the Koran... an

Walking the Koran... an excellent suggestion for an art "installation."

After all, we just want to start a "conversation" about something that's only paper.

Though I often wonder why it is that so many people like this talentless woman who have nothing to say insist on starting "conversations," with others who don't want to chat.

Lady -- YOU'RE SAYING NOTHING. But if you really want to get in peoples faces and insult a symbol others have fought and died for... heaven forbid someone should get in your face and call you a FAT GREASY HAIRED FREAK.

That's not an insult -- just trying to start a conversation.

Vote 4 change. Vote 4 anything. See Jack & Mr Shy's first campaign ad for the ONLY viable 3rd party candidate.

 I would settle for a

 I would settle for a Palestinian flag, or Iran, Syria, N Korea or any of their other friends. Walking on Flags is to stupid, how can one exspect any respect after pulling this stunt.

 

If I were walking down that hall I would bust my ass on that flag and sue their sorry asses big time school and that dumb twit. I wonder how many students tried to pick them up or complained about the sorry spectacle, I bet they were in the high majority. Even in the photo it looks as if their might be one or two protecting them. But she will probably sue the school instead, claiming they let the other kids ridicule her after this nonsense

 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Having served 20 years for

Having served 20 years for this country and idiots like her, I would have been tempted to pick up the flags. Although, that would have prompted an altercation which is probably what she wanted.

What I find amazing is that

What I find amazing is that 98% of the students refused to walk on the flags, and the flags were not easy to avoid due to their placement (they had to weave in and out). So, despite a constant anti-American barage from their liberal educrats, and from the liberal democrats, and from the MSM, and from hollywood; 98% still chose to respect the flag in the only way they could, by not walking on it.

This has to be disheartening to liberals. 98% of the students from a blue state college.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

I think you have a skewed

I think you have a skewed perspective on what people are actually like. I'm a Democrat. I wouldn't have walked on the flags.

With all due respect Mr.

With all due respect Mr. Balboa, I did say "Liberal" democrats.. the socialist/communist anti-American wing of your party. There are 3 types of democrats; 1. liberal democrats, 2. democrats who don't realize that their party has abandoned their values, and 3. democrats who are growing up into republicans. I think you are destined to fall into the 3rd category. :-)

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

I agree

Jerry, I agree with your characterization. I'll Simplify it.

There are three kinds of Democrats

#1- Democrats who are really European Communists

#2- Democrats not smart enough to know their leaders are European Communists

#3- Democrats that are smart enough to begin to think about leaving the party

But there is a fourth when you get down to it.

#4- The dead Democrats who do most of the voting

"#4- The dead Democrats who

"#4- The dead Democrats who do most of the voting"

 

Hey that is a Chicago Instatution, I resent you belittling the time tested, and comunity loved, way we do politics here

Chicago the first place to say " Vote Early, Vote Often"

 

"As a news consumer, however, the word of an MSM journalist isn't good enough." - Dabird

red... ...and King

red...

...and King County, Washington,... Seattle isn't far behind.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Lol WTH.. that would be

Lol WTH.. that would be funny if it weren't such a "grave" situation.

If only those dead voters would mobilize, they would have considerable clout as the largest voting block in the democrat party.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Yer Killing me with that

Yer Killing me with that "grave situation" line. Of course, I better watch out or I'll be snuffed out by those Chicago, broken-nosed "Democrats," eh?

Anyway, I always sort of thought that every person who voted Democrat was dead. At least from the neck up!

Thank you, I'll be here all week. Try the veal and don't forget to tip the waitress.

"Yer Killing me.." what

"Yer Killing me.." what deadly wit.

Let's play movie trivia...

Q: What quote from The Sixth Sense describes a young boys reaction on his first visit to a democrat precinct?

A: "I see dead people."

Q: What was Sean Penn's documentary on democrat voting practices?

A: Dead Man Voting

Q: What do you call a queue of democrat voters?

A: Flat Liners

Q: What movie is about inner city voting during a presidential election?

A: Night of the Voting Dead

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

I am a democrat who is

I am a democrat who is really a European socialist, and I wouldn't have stepped on the flags.

Yeah, but it's because you

Yeah, but it's because you don't want to get your feet dirty :-)

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Liberal U

Another successful brainwash at UMF (Univ of Moronic Fools). 

To be honest I hope the msm

To be honest I hope the msm does not pick up on this story. The msm attention is what this student is seeking. And one can imagine how the msm would spin this into a story on how our "youth" are so wonderful for expressing anti American rhetoric  and protest.

Of course not

98% of her fellow students avoided walking on the flag....not the hoped for outcome.  Of course the MsM won't report.

However....if had gone the other way...98% had just walked across the flag....well then....24/7 reportage by all of the media idiots.

I hope this young lady learns a lesson from this.  A BIG LESSON!  We won't be dissed by the likes of a fat little turd like you!

David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive

 

School is where we learn

NOT where we walk on Flags.

If she wants to express herself she should not be in the halls of learning.

I blame school officials. She could have simply passed a flyer around with this question on it

If the American Flag was on the floor, would you,

1. walk over it

or

2. walk on it.

those wanting to answer could have place a check mark beside the answer. They'd choose and she, the "artist", could then talley the responses. SIMPLE

And I do not care if her father served our country. This was a poor decision.

Good point Delsa, it would

Good point Delsa, it would have been much better handled by a simple poll.

Did she have the right to do this? Yes.

Should she have done it? No, she used poor judgement. Just because you have the right to do something, doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.

Now, to her credit, she did remove them once she realized how offensive it was to a lot of good people.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Susan Crane's parents are child abusers...

...as they clearly enrolled her in government schools.

As for Ms. Crane, it appears she needs to switch from consuming Hot Pockets by the box-full to the occasional Lean Pocket.

Theme for Election '08: Who cares?

Now we're getting to it:

Now we're getting to it: It's not her project you object to, it's her girth. 

bal,

I object to her project with every ounce of my existence. Every one of those flags should be taken out and burned, which is the appropriate way of disposing of a damaged or desecrated American flag.

In the case of Ms. Crane, she will get hers in the end, as when the no-doubt hideous socialized medicine system (that I am quite sure Ms. Crane fully supports) that we will most likely be living under, when she hits her late forties starts rationing healthcare for older Americans (after all, they are not as productive as younger generations) and particularly fat older people and their associated health problems, I expect she will be pretty much toast at that point.

And people say there is no God.

Theme for Election '08: Who cares?

So God will punish her for

So God will punish her for desecrating the flag by making her fall victim to the health problems associated with being overweight. Is that really your stand?

Not her overweight problem,

Not her overweight problem, bal. Well, Leon may think different, but I think it will be because of her ugly problem. She is one of those case of beer and fifth of Old Crow women.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

Thanks, bass.

:-)

Theme for Election '08: Who cares?

Uh

Not enough beer in the keg Bass. Not nearly enough.

bal, go back and read my post very s*l*o*w*l*y.

Get it now? No, you say?

You do not place American flags on the ground, period. As Ms. Crane probably went to government schools, she probably doesn't know any better.

As such, she will probably be a sucker (shiver) for socialized medicine anyway. Fine.

Imagine her surprise when she hits middle-age, towing what will surely be a buffalo-butt+++ behind her and (shock!) discovers that, due to rationing, she is no-longer eligible for health-care in any form.

Funny, that will be.

Theme for Election '08: Who cares?

Regardless the discipline,

what a pathetically lame excuse for a project.

My advisor would have taken off a letter grade up-front for even suggesting something so intellectually thin.

What was the rubric for this disaster?

Was there a critique by her peers?

Did she get an F?

Let's see...basic flag etiquettte...5th grade, 6th grade?

 

The article says they were

The article says they were supposed to conduct a social experiment for an art in politics class. 

Oh, now that explains

Oh, now that explains everything? Good grief.  The premise itself is beyond ridiculous

   

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Which premise? Social

Which premise? Social experiment or art in politics?

Geez

You realy are not THAT thick are you? 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

Final answer? I like

Final answer?

I like clarity. 

Art in Politics huh?

Now there's a deep, fruitful pursuit. Sure to round-out one's critical thinking abilities.

This young woman is a future nuisance.

I am so incredibly

I am so incredibly disappointed in your repsonses.

First of all, she made the flags out of duct tape and originally put them on paper so they wouldn't be on the ground. According to the article, she removed the paper because people were falling on it.

Most importantly, it is very clear that she didn't do this project in order to make people walk on the American flag, she did it to make people choose not to walk on the American flag and to study how many made the choice.

How many times a day do you walk by a flag, in front of a building or on someone's car, and not notice it? How many times when you do notice it do you actually make some adjustment in your own life in response. The point of this project seems to be to create flags that you can't ignore. Every person who walked down that hallway had to make a choice, a choice that I suspect you guys want more people in this country to have to make. The choice is: either you acknowledge this flag and go out of your way to show it some respect, or you might as well be walking all over it. Isn't that a dichotomy that you guys want complacent, naive liberals to have to think about more often?

Most of the time we don't have to make that choice, and we don't have to pay attention to the flag.  She forced people to do both.  I think you should be heartened by how few people stepped on those flags, and I'm impressed by the cleverness of the project. Think a little bit beyond your knee-jerk reactions for once and see the potential in this sort of exercise.

clever...knee jerk

clever...knee jerk reactions...

Funny, I think you have a typical leftist reaction.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Then why not hurdles? Let

Then why not hurdles? Let folks decide to step over them. But then that doesnt disgrace the flag now does it? If she tried that down hear they would be picking up the flags as fast as she could lay them down, and confronting her with vigor.

 How do you like it when idiot put unwanted obsticals in your way, is it "art" to you. Your analogy is asinine

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

So your objection then is

So your objection then is that it is annoying to have stuff in your way? I think you are missing the point of both my opinion and Warner Todd Houston's!

CP I agree

I am as conservative as they come and the comments to this article seriously shook me up.  They're like a lynch mob.  If these totally close minded, reactionary responses are they way they handle all issues then i'm in the wrong place... But that means I've nowhere to go because I surely am not a liberal progressive.

 

The one thing i can tell you.  Most all of these comments are from true conservatives as I would not be afraid to have my children read any of them.  the language in a liberal blog usually isn't fit to print.

Personally, I'd rather they

Personally, I'd rather they swore than ridiculed her for being overweight. But then I'm a liberal, and I'm young, and four letter words don't bother me that much.

It disturbs me greatly that I have only ever seen women mocked for poor appearance on NB-- well, women and Obama :)

I'd like to hear the response if I suggested Limbaugh is lucky to be on radio where no one can see how fat he is. You guys would freak.

:)

CP, I did a search for through the comments for the word "Overweight" and found one entry.  From the same person I found the one and only entry for the word "ugly"... and for the word "fat" I found 4... Really 3 because one was a duplicate.  And the fourth was your making fun of Limbaugh.

Maybe four letter words should bother you.  How can you expect to convince others of your possibly very rightous positions if every other sentence says "Bush is a MFSOB".  Liberals claim conservatives are the sole source of hate speech.  I see a lot of emotional anger in these 170 or so posts, and if you search for my name you'll see i disagree with 99% of them. But you'll see that conservatives go after the ideas rather than the person.  So far no one has called me a $%^&^%$.

You've probably seen this quote attributed to Winston Churchill and probably borrowed from the following fellow. "If you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart; if you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no mind".
Supposedly it was first quoted by Guisot, a French monarchist statesman under Louis Philippe:
Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head.

I certainly found this to be true... especially when i think of how fragile our democracy is.  It only works because you and I trust each other to do what is best for each other rather than just what is best for you.  If we ever let ourselves be overrun by people who have no such heritage, who don't want to be a part of this nation, but just want to take from it then our country will die.  This is why the illegal issue is so taken to heart by the conservative.

Oops, didn't mean to soap box.

Oh, by the way, Rush hasn't been fat for years. :)

mocked...

Most men don't get mocked because we is gener'ly all ugly. It's the pretty men that get mocked...  And it bothers me too when a woman is mocked for her appearance.  it's shameful.

This is not unique to NB.

Actually, It's Everyone Else Who Disrespects The Flag

Just think about it for a minute. What is more disrespectful towards the American flag than mass producing cheap plastic ones that are sold at dollar stores to be adorned on car antennas? How about the MSM's relentless degradation of the flag by posting it all over their newscasts just to attract ratings? I bet you any of these people who do that could care less about the flag because they just simply think it's some sort of fad or fashion statement. I bet you that they have never even heard of Betsy Ross, who is supposed to be the architect of the flag. Most likely, this young woman does. Nor do I believe they have heard of Francis Scott Key, who passionately wrote the Star-Spangled Banner from the porthole of a prison ship because he saw that our flag was still there.
Now I can't say that what she's doing is a happy, positive salute to Old Glory. Clearly, she understands the symbolism of putting the flag in a pattern of distress because she probably opposes the war. I may know better than that, but hey, it's a free country, and she has the right to express her opinion the way she wants to, whether you like it or not. After all, the KKK and Neo Nazis are also afforded the same right, so why not her?
Later, losers.

Later losers...

Now there's a endearing expression.

Why'd you waste your time even registering.

Of course she has the right

Of course she has the right to exercise poor judgement. Just as we have every right to criticize her poor judgement.

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Later, losers. What, did

Later, losers.

What, did mom call you upstairs because it's bedtime?

 

Consider this, will ya

"What is more disrespectful towards
the American flag than mass producing cheap plastic ones that are sold
at dollar stores to be adorned on car antennas?
"

I have a flag magnet on my refrigerator at home; does that make me disrespectful to the flag of America? I don't think so and I am a veteran who proudly took part in flag ceremonies while wearing the uniform.

Consider this, will ya? Displaying a symbol of America, and that's what the flag really is, is not disrespectful. It's a display of respect and admiration of this great country, it's citizens, and it's proud past. It doesn't matter if that symbol is made if cloth, plastic, paint, or spots of light on a screen. It's a representation of America, nothing more and nothing less.

I bet if Ms. Crane had placed Islamic flags on the floor...

...the Islamo-supremecist fascists would be beheading people in the streets, CAIR would be setting up a tent on the campus lawn, and the MSM would have their mindless slugs slithering all over the place covering it, too.

Theme for Election '08: Who cares?

RD... You are so

RD...

You are so correct.

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

Hhmm I would sure like to

Hhmm I would sure like to think so, but I am not sure it fits their agenda? 

 

"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg

"Ninety-five to 98

"Ninety-five to 98 percent of the people didn't walk on the flags..."

I wonder how many did not tread on the flags out of honor to the flag versus not wanting to damage someone's art?

Since Ms. Crane was not forced to desecrate the flag, I don't believe her decision was "hard".  "Hard" would have been telling your teacher to 'shove it' when they suggested this debacle, knowing that your grade will suffer.  More importantly, "hard" is all the men and women that suffered and died so you could be a smartass, safe and sound, surrounded by Leftists administrators cooing anarchy and debasement in your ear.

I have a suggestion for Ms. Crane and the shriveled-up shrews of UMF's administration:

Go to the nearest "hood", reenact Seinfeld's Michael 'Kramer' Richards' implosion on stage at the Laugh Factory in West Hollywood, and count how many "responses" you get.  Afterall, the "N-word" is just a symbol too.

More examples of turdblossoms without the blossoms.

RRAM Tough! 

I think ol' Johnny Cash said

I think ol' Johnny Cash said it best...

"That Ragged Old Flag"

I walked through a county courthouse square

On a park bench, an old man was sittin there.

I said, "Your court house is kinda run down,

He said, "No, it will do for our little town".

I said "your old flag pole kinda leaned a little bit,

And that’s a ragged old flag you got hanging on it".

He said "have a seat", so I sat down,

He said, "is this your first visit to our little town"

I said, "I think it is"

He said "I don’t like to brag, but we’re kinda proud of

"That Ragged Old Flag"

"You see, we got a little hole in that flag there,

When Washington took it across the Delaware.

It got powder burned the night Francis Scott Key sat watching it, writing

"Oh Say Can You See"

It got a rip in New Orleans, with Packingham & Jackson

tugging at its seams.

It almost fell at the Alamo beside the Texas flag,

But she waved on tho.

It got cut with a sword in Chancellorsville,

Got cut again at Shiloh Hill.

There was Robert E. Lee and Beauregard and Bragg,

And the south wind blew hard on

"That Ragged Old Flag"

On Flanders Field in World War I,

She took a bad hit from a Bertha Gun,

She turned blood red in World War II

She hung limp and low by the time that one was through,

She was in Korea, Vietnam, She went where she was sent

by her Uncle Sam.

The Native Americans, The Black, Yellow and White

All shed red blood for the Stars and Stripes.

And here in her own good land,

She’s been abused, burned, dishonored, denied and refused,

And the very government for which she stands

Has been scandalized throughout out the land.

And she’s getting thread bare, and she’s wearing kinda thin,

But she’s in pretty good shape, for the shape she’s in.

Cause she’s been through the fire before

and she can take a whole lot more.

So we raise her up every morning

And we bring her down slow every night,

We don’t let her touch the ground,

And we fold her up right.

On second thought
I do like to brag

Cause I’m mighty proud of

That Ragged Old Flag

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If it ain't a baby, you ain't pregnant....

Lv... Thank you for

Lv...

Thank you for posting this...

"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill

SARCASM- I would like to

SARCASM- I would like to congratulate the University of Maine on their bold stand and experiment to show that the flag is merely a symbol, even when the experiment greatly offended an honored segment of our population. I appreciate that they did not back down, or worry about the fire hazard or students slipping and falling, or lawsuits-something they normally would think of first. The only thing that could have added more to their experiment would be to bring in several disabled veterans in wheelchairs and study their patriotism when they could not make it through the flag maze without running over a flag. Now I expect to see the University carry out other experiments that offend other parts of our population starting by publishing the mohammed cartoons in the school newspaper.

Turn about is fair play

Have a student put an Islamic flag, a ERA-symbol (feminist) flag, or the Rainbow flag on the floor for students to tramble and see how long the staff at this college 'tolerate' this 1st Amendment expression. They won't.

This is why this exericse is nothing more than hate speech supported by aging hippies, Marxists, and leftist.

She's no kid

Ms. Crane is forty years old. But I guess a 40-year-old college student can be as credulous as puppy-brained teenagers.

Her defense of her motives is lame, the project has nothing to do with art, but she gets her name in the papers -- which I would wager was her real motive.

Freedom of speech is enshrined in the Constitution. But why would you do this if you actually revered that right? Rights are accompanied by responsibilities. If she is who she claims to be, she would not have designed this "art project" in this manner.

Will this be televised???

I certainly HOPE so!  I have emailed Fox and Friends asking them to televise it!  Hopefully, someone will show these people for the disgusting, anti-American scum they are!

Standing Order

  Hello. It is I, Mr. American Flag*, 20 year Navy vet, current American Legion Color Guard. I have left standing orders to be contacted first on all flag related matters.

Title 18, Part 1, Ch. 33, Section 700 has been struck down by the Supreme Court on 1st amendment grounds. That was for defiling the flag on free speech grounds however, maintaining on the ground may still stand. Oh, and flags made from duct tape count.
(a)

(1) Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.

(b) As used in this section, the term “flag of the United States” means any flag of the United States, or any part thereof, made of any substance, of any size, in a form that is commonly displayed.

Maine has it's own uniform flag law.

§ 254. Mutilation
No person shall publicly or openly mutilate, deface, defile, defy, trample upon, or vy word or act cast contempt upon any such flag, standard, color, ensign or shield. Any violation of this section shall be a Class E crime.

This is also unenforcable as it probably violates the 1st amendment.

So what this college student was doing was not against the law.

More important, mutilating a Mexican Flag on U.S soil, now that can land you in jail mister!

http://www.krqe.com/Global/story.asp?S=8103472

An Albuquerque jury today convicted a University of New Mexico student who hauled down and ripped apart a Mexican flag flying over the campus last year.

Thank God this country has it's priorities straight. ** 

* As the guy in the next cubicle affectionately has labeled me.

** Yes. that was sarcasm.

Bush dececrates flag...

To view the current Commander-In-Chief desecrating Old Glory [twice], please click here and scroll to "Flag Code Violations".  Click on photos for an expanded view.

Jer

Very interesting...if Obama

Very interesting...if Obama did this, he'd be run out of town by this website.

Unconfirmed

Can you provide a link to news outlet confirming this because otherwise
I suspect photoshop as I could find no news stories relating to either
picture.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

Both of the photos of Bush

Both of the photos of Bush list the news service and the photographer.  You might submit an inquiry to them.  Also there is a guestbook page at the flag website where you can email information or questions.

Jer

Why are they not in any news article I could find?

These seem like fairly significant photos yet I could not find any news article mentioning them anywhere.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

I don't know PT...maybe

I don't know PT...maybe they were just random shots not connected with a published news item; or perhaps part of a series of pictures in which one or more of the series accompanied an article, but these particular photos were not used.  

I responded to you on the other thread with a mention that the comment next to the second Bush photo noted it had made the internet rounds in the past.  It would seem the authenticity issue would have been raised at that time.

Jer 

Sources

I need a remotely reputable source before I can make a decision on the photos. I found some broken Yahoo links and some to Reuters so that does not help the case.

The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource

Well, in that case, I would

Well, in that case, I would urge you to continue your search.

Jer

shut her down.

 ok everybody. time to go home. newsbusters is closing for good.

Jer has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt for the 1st time in history that, indeed, 2 wrongs DO make a right.

Tu quoque. never heard of that fallacious argument, eh, Jer. Thanks for inventing it then, eh buddy?

 

Stick around, JWF...

Stick around, JWF...nobody's going anywhere.  My objective wasn't to prove two wrongs make a right, but rather that the "wrongs" in both cases were insufficiently grave to warrant the level of outrage which had permeated this thread.

I'm sure Bush intended no disparagement of the flag--just as I believe the young lady was not actuated by any such desire.

I do feel that our Commander-In-Chief [assuming the authenticity of the photos] should be somewhat more familiar with potential flag Code violations than a young college student...but I hardly consider the minor gaffes of either to threaten the foundations of our republic.

That shouldn't be difficult to grasp...eh buddy?

Jer

I respectully disagree sir!

  I did not see a level of outrage but there was concern.

  Congress has twice set penalties for flag code violations. The first attempt was shot down on constitutional grounds, so there has been no attempt to enforce the 2nd set. There is floating around out there somewhere, the makings of an amendment to the constitution to set penalties for flag code violations. This is a fairly serious issue, so there should rightly be some outrage and yes lots of concern.

  The President violated the flag code through ignorance. (yes ignorance of the law is no excuse) It does not justify his actions but it is a red herring here. The issue was this college student torquing pedestrians.

 The college student willfully violated the flag code in an attempt to annoy people. And spurred a veteran to take action.

By the way, thanks buddy. I have notified newsbusters that they are able to continue operations.

No outrage, JWF?

I did not see a level of outrage but there was concern.

In that case, I suggest you were either looking at the wrong thread, or else you have a rather odd definition of "outrage".

I culled the following comments and observations from just a portion of the thread:

It's all about ...mindless rebellion with these people...

I have no idea why liberals hate their country so much.

Another disgusting example of left-over left-wing pinkos...

This so called artist uses the term "art" for her excuse.  We do not put a crucifix in a jar of piss and we do not place our flag on the floor.

Let's lay the artist on the floor and walk on her.

They can take these excuses for so-called experiments and stick them where the sun doesn't shine....Makes me puke.

I have tears going down my cheeks at this moment....Crane can go the hell with her disrespectful project.

I know, like me, many are outraged by this...

Damn these people to hell.

...if she gets her fifteen minutes of fame on the msm I am going to be more outraged, but I bet she will.

She desecrated our flag and all it stands for, for nothing but a good grade and notoriety.

Do you really wish to stand by your statement that you see no outrage, only "concern"?

But, glad to hear you're permitting NewsBusters to continue operations.  :>)  See you later, JWF.

Jer

Thanks

I missed the one about puttng the artist on the floor and walking on her. That was funny.

Wait a minute, this is what you are taking umbrage at? My 1st paragraph? I would have thought para. 2, 3, or 4 would require more scrutiny.

Ok. Ya gots me sherriff! I will not stand by that comment and I will further take that comment and whip it like it needs a whipping or something equally whippy type statement.

Thank Gawd nobody is getting outraged by my outrage comment comment because otherwise they might grab ahold of it and just beat the whole "outrage and we all need perspective thing" thing to death.

Red Herring time: Hey, check out the lemmings thing. Man, that is so trivial. And people are so excited! Why are we worrying about lemmings now? People are making comments about killing lemmings now. Jeez peoples, let it go.

mea culpa... I had just

mea culpa... I had just jumped in with my own lemmings quip.  I could't help myself.  I guess it's the herd mentality...we are behaving like lemmings.

Jer

lights

  Does that mean this thread is finally dead? Cuz I have to walk the dogs.

Want I should get the lights?

Ok.

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Thanks for doing your part

Thanks for doing your part for energy consevation.  And, yes, I'm ready to give this one an honorable burial.

Jer