Barack Obama has been airing a shamelessly anti-business TV ad in Pennsylvania for a while now. In the ad Obama himself, in his own voice, makes the claim that he doesn't "take money from oil companies." But there is a two-fold deception in this claim that Obama doesn't tell his sycophantic fans. So where is the media to pounce on these cynical deceptions? They’re nowhere to be seen.
Recently I saw the ad where Obama claimed he didn't take contributions from oil companies and the claim struck a chord in my memory. I was under the impression that oil companies could not legally donate to a campaign at all. So, I did some checking and it seems that FactCheck.org did an entire page on Obama's deceptive Pennsylvania ad.
Here is the transcript of the Obama ad:
"Since the gas lines of the ’70s, Democrats and Republicans have talked about energy independence, but nothing’s changed -- except now Exxon’s making $40 billion a year, and we’re paying $3.50 for gas.
I’m Barack Obama. I don’t take money from oil companies or Washington lobbyists, and I won’t let them block change anymore. They’ll pay a penalty on windfall profits. We’ll invest in alternative energy, create jobs and free ourselves from foreign oil. I approve this message because it’s time that Washington worked for you. Not them. "
Yet, as FactCheck.org reminds us, it has been illegal for the last 100 years for an oil company to directly donate to a political campaign. So, while it is technically correct that Obama isn't taking money from oil companies, it is ALSO true that neither is anyone else! Yet, here is Obama saying he doesn't take oil money as if he has made a conscious decision to refuse their support. Someone who does not know that oil companies are barred by law from donating to politicians might easily be led to imagine that Obama is standing up against Bigoil with this ad. It is truly deceptive.
But, there is also another deception, one of omission, in Obama's ad. Again, FactCheck.org reveals the reality that two of Obama's biggest "bundler" donors are executives at oil companies. "Two of Obama's bundlers are top executives at oil companies," FactCheck.org says, "and are listed on his Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the presidential hopeful."
The Clinton campaign has made some complaints about the Obama ad be known, but it doesn't seem that the deceptions in this ad are getting much play. I have seen a few blogs like the Huffington Post discuss this thing, but not very many MSM sources of news have investigated the charge.
Clinton complains that Obama's ad amounts to "false advertising" and that his claims of not taking money from PACS and Bigoil are deceptive. For once, I agree with Hillary.
Here is FactCheck.org on this charge:
When the Clinton campaign criticized Obama's ad, calling it "false advertising," Obama's campaign quickly noted that he didn't take money from political action committees or lobbyists.
We'd say the Obama campaign is trying to create a distinction without very much of a practical difference. Political action committee funds are pooled contributions from a company's or an organization's individual employees or members; corporate lobbyists often have a big say as to where a PAC's donations go. But a PAC can give no more than $5,000 per candidate, per election. We're not sure how a $5,000 contribution from, say, Chevron's PAC would have more influence on a candidate than, for example, the $9,500 Obama has received from Chevron employees giving money individually.
In addition, two oil industry executives are bundling money for Obama – drumming up contributions from individuals and turning them over to the campaign. George Kaiser, the chairman of Oklahoma-based Kaiser-Francis Oil Co., ranks 68th on the Forbes list of world billionaires. He's listed on Obama's Web site as raising between $50,000 and $100,000 for the candidate. Robert Cavnar is president and CEO of Milagro Exploration LLC, an oil exploration and production company. He's named as a bundler in the same category as Kaiser.
And still we get silence from the Obammites in the media. It is becoming clear that the MSM has dumped their longtime favorite Clinton and jumped with both feet onto the Obama bandwagon. It is just as clear that they have abdicated to the Internet their proper role as reporters and watchdogs.
(Favorite Newsbuster Motherbelt also saw this one and tipped us)
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Time and again this Obama
April 13, 2008 - 12:24 ET by ConservativeRexTime and again this Obama will attempt to pull the wool over every ones eyes. By the looks of things, he's done it his entire life. He has the MSM fooled, but then again, when you're a lib you can pretty much say anything you want and the MSM will believe you. Well, anything but tell those little monkeys to get out of a tree, that they will crucify you over and throw another supporter under the bus.
It pretty much clear that it is illegal to take money directly from Oil Companies, but his constituency doesn't know or care on the veracity of that statement. And he knows his constituency. But, that's not enough to win, he needs enablers from the majority. But he'll not get enough of them either.
WTH
April 13, 2008 - 12:25 ET by BlondeBill Clinton was whining about this very fact, I believe Thursday (they played it over and over on Friday's Morning Joe)....whilst also bemoaning the reaction to Hillary's being tired and "misstating" her Bosnia experience.
They all lie like rugs.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Obama – Black is Wright
April 13, 2008 - 13:12 ET by olandugObama – Black is Wright
Obama attracts thugs and bullies to his campaign and personal life and is able to do so with impunity.
If Obama where Caucasian, he would have been bulldozed by the media long ago.
Look at Obama’s affiliations:
- Senator Meeks who openly hates whites and gays and is listed prominently on Obama’s campaign website as a major Obama supporter and backer and is one of Obama;s super-delegate. Mr. Meeks has been integral in helping Mr. Obama succeed in politics.
- Mr. Ayers of the Weather Underground, a group that killed police and tried to bomb the US Capitol, served with Obama on the board of the leftist foundation called the Woods Fund.
- Robert Malley a close senior adviser to Obama who advocates negotiations with Hamas and providing international assistance to the terrorist group.
- Larry Sinclair alleges in 1999 Senator Obama’s arranged to meet him in a limousine, sold Senator Obama cocaine and then gave Senator Obama oral sex. Larry then claims that he and Obama went to a hotel and preformed oral sex again. Mr. Sinclair is testifying in court under oath that these allegations are true.
- Mr. Auchi is an Iraqi billionaire and major financial sponsor and closely connected to Obama’s rise to power.
While working with Saddam Hussein, Auchi made his fortune through the selling of arms in Iraq and the funneling off of money from the Oil for Food program.
- Mr. Rezko an Iraqi citizen and Obama’s and Auchi’s long time friend and a major mob figure. Rezko is NOT known for his civic sense of duty and does not do favors without asking something in return. Coincidently in the Chicago Times today it was reported that Rezko was negotiating to purchase rehab buildings in Obama’s district.
- Mr. Wright a racist who hates America and whites with Hitleresque triads. Mr. Wright has been Mr. Obama’s spiritual mentor for over 20 years. Before the media exposed Mr. Wright, Mr. Wright was on Obama’s campaign staff as Obama's chief religious advisor. Mr. Wright and Mr. Meeks are ideologically closer to Karl Marx and Black Nationalism, than to Christianity.
- Rashid Khalidi a fundraiser for Obama and is one of Obama’s close friends. Khalidi Khalidi claim Israel as a "catastrophe", and supports Palestinian terrorist groups.
- Mr. McPeaks is Obama’s military adviser and national campaign co-chairman who publicly states that American Jews are the "problem." and “Christian Zionists were driving America's policy in Iraq to benefit Israel.”
- Michelle Obama trumpets Obama as “the second coming of the messiah,” and also states that she “has never been proud to be an AMERICAN in her adult life".
The list goes on…
How can Obama’s bad judgment to choose to affiliate with criminals and fanatics be justified?
Had Hillary Clinton had any of the above ghosts in her closet, she would have been thrown out of the election long ago.
Hey everybody - am I missing something here?
Are we so in love with the color black that we forget to see the man?
→ olandug
April 13, 2008 - 13:16 ET by Cool ArrowI don't think there's any steam to the Larry Sinclair story anymore since he flunked his polygraph.
If you're sure this has gone to court, what is the charge? What tort is identified?
If you have more information, let us know.
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I was watching one of the
April 13, 2008 - 12:37 ET by Republic1I was watching one of the network talking head shows (can't remember which one) and they had Ed Rendell on with Senator Robert Casey. Rendell is for Clinton, Casey for Obama. Rendell actually mentioned this ad and called it "disingenuous". I do believe that's lib-speak for "dishonest". Obama is lying about his campaign funding and trying to fan the flames of anger at an easy target. Rev. Wright taught him well. Let's hope someone outside of the new media will take note.
"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." -Muhammad
Notice
April 13, 2008 - 12:44 ET by Warner Todd HustonNotice how it is only Clinton people trying to get the message out? The MSM itself isn't taking up the issue at all.
Obama
April 13, 2008 - 13:06 ET by iveseenitallRise up against those "evil" capitalists! Class warfare! The dictatorsip of the proletariats! It's Animal Farm; follow the pigs!
But be careful what you wish for. The Clintons and the Gores are worth $100,000,00+. Rev.Wrong is in his million dollar mansion. The Obama household income has tripled.
Who will benefit from their brand of liberalism/socialism/communism? Not you, that's for sure.
BTW, You've outlined the problem, Barry. Now what's the solution--government takeover of the oil industy, al la Venezuela?
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
The Clintons love to tell
April 13, 2008 - 16:26 ET by motherbeltThe Clintons love to tell us how they are in that group of "wealthiest Americans." Rev. Jeremiah howls from his million-dollar mansion about white keeping the black man down. And Michelle Obama says the only reason they have all this money is that Barack wrote two books (We'd be poor if we didn't have all this money!!)
Hypocrisy, they name is Liberal.
Oil With Your Kool-aid?
April 13, 2008 - 13:23 ET by acumenBut wait. Barack (redacted) Obama does take money from America's wealthiest, I mean the really, really rich, that accumulated their fortune in....gasp....big OIL.
Seems to me I read recently where BO had his hand out at a big fund raiser held at the mansion of Ann and Gordon Getty -- yes that would be the Getty OIL heir.
Well, he went to his home,
April 13, 2008 - 16:32 ET by motherbeltWell, he went to his home, took personal donations from him and his oil friends, but that money isn't tainted?
That's a pretty fine line he didn't cross....<sarc>
really he doesn't take money from oil companies
April 13, 2008 - 13:26 ET by lunaticcringeradioas a senator i wonder how many times he voted to continue or to raise taxes on gas. isn't that taking money from the oil companies and in proxy me.
who was it, i think it was rush limbaugh either thurs or fri in his 5 minute precast where he laid it on how much profit the oil companies are in the billions, money they earned by finding the oil, drilling the oil, transporting the oil, refining the oil, and storing it ready for our use. all through those efforts there are sandwiched inbetween each majorstep tariffs and taxes slipped in there, and the oil companies still only make a single digit precentage of profit. yet the government who does nothing to make any effort to lift a finger to work for "us" taxes oil compaines in the trillions. so basically the governments parasitic profit margin is basically 100%.
but oil companies are the greedy ones, and if obama, being a democrat who never turns down a vote for increasing taxes, ever voted to continue or increase taxes on oil, then yes, he does take oil money. obama has taken oil money in the worst way possible, he's taken it by force instead of as a campaign contribution. at least the later is a more respectible.
oil companies get billions
the government gets trillions
lunaticcringeradio
Who's Financing Obama?
April 13, 2008 - 13:35 ET by geoff.galeThis discussion brings up a point that I think has gotten precious little scrutiny - exactly who is financing SnObama? When he brings in that $55M in a month, where exactly does it come from? Is it all $5, $10, $20 contributions from the masses? Or, is most of it coming from PAC's that tie back to corporations, foreign sources, or advocacy groups? My gut tells me that there's a big story waiting to be told about who SnObama is going to owe, if he get elected.
"All that is necessary for the trimuph of evil is that good men do nothing."
- Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797)
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Yes. We're all supposed to
April 13, 2008 - 14:00 ET by QueenMumYes. We're all supposed to believe the the millions and millions of $$$ pouring into Obama's campaign coffers are all from the "grassroots" supporters. You know, all those 'po foke whom the government has neglected and whom Obama intends to lift up out of poverty?
I'm sick to death of the "Pander of the Week" style of Obama's campaign. If the MsM decided next week that the incidence of foot calluses constitutes a national health crisis and that Dr. Scholl's is enjoying record profits as a result, Obama would deny any campaign contributions from Dr. Scholl's and promise to increase the availability of public transportation so that people didn't have to walk so much. Which would in turn provide more opportunities to pander to those who have health problems because of lack of exercise. See. The liberal/socialist just never runs out of things to do for the common people because socialism creates a new problem for every problem they claim to have solved.
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"Favorite Newsbuster"????
April 13, 2008 - 14:08 ET by motherbelt"Favorite Newsbuster"???? Why, thank you, kind sir!! <blushing>
Now if the MSM would only show a gram of interest in this....I know, I know, but I can hope, can't I???
Hey mb.... I'm
April 13, 2008 - 16:32 ET by bigtimerHey mb....
I'm sobbing...you're the favorite!
....sniffle sniffle....boo-hoo...
....seriously though you great are in my book, I miss you when your presence isn't here contributing....
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Oh, pshaw.... he's just
April 13, 2008 - 23:00 ET by motherbeltOh, pshaw.... he's just being a gentleman ;-)
Thanks for the compliment...the two of us get some pretty good back and forth going, don't we? Especially when the GMTA kicks in and we start cross-posting! LOL
Picking Nits here but..
April 13, 2008 - 14:11 ET by CobraMan"I don’t take money from oil companies"
doesn't equate with
"They’ll pay a penalty on windfall profits."
I may be doing a little nit picking here, but isn't that taking money from oil companies?
Here's what he's saying; "as a presidential candidate, I won't personally take money from oil companies and reinvest it in my campaign, but, as President, I'll take a lot of it in the name of "The People" and reinvest it as I deem necessary for the greater good. Am I not a Saint?”
Hay, Obama, you're not fooling anyone.
Hay, Obama, you're not
April 13, 2008 - 23:10 ET by general companyHay, Obama, you're not fooling anyone.
Well actualy, he is. There are many fools in the good ol USA
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
We’ll invest in
April 13, 2008 - 14:16 ET by QueenMumWe’ll invest in alternative energy,
We, who? And how about allowing oil companies to take advantage of our own oil resources. It's not the job of the government to "invest" in the free market.
create jobs
Jobs are created when a free American citizen figures out a means to meet the needs of the people, not when anyone in government decides what the people need or simply creates another bureaucracy that accomplishes nothing but increasing the tax burden.
and free ourselves from foreign oil.
Not a bad idea. But we're already capable of accomplishing this - again, if the government would just get out of the way.
And the lame will walk, the blind will see, the deaf will hear. Wait a minute. Haven't we heard this before?
P.S. Well stated, CobraMan.
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They all talk about "energy
April 13, 2008 - 16:18 ET by motherbeltThey all talk about "energy independence" but they only mention wind and solar (and ethanol). When they do this, no one in the media asks them about nuclear, or about drilling here in the US. They simply accept the claim that they will make us "energy independent."
(HRC says that as soon as she is inaugurated, the price of oil will come down, because the sheiks know that she has a plan for energy independence and they will be worried. What a steaming pile in the road that is. The sheiks won't care. Is she going to make the whole world not dependent on Middle Eastern oil? Fat chance).
And Obama says he will "invest in alternative energy" and his pathetic sycophants in the media dutifully report it, without ever asking even the very first question any 4th-grade student would ask....WHAT alternative energy?
...and McCain isn't any
April 13, 2008 - 16:25 ET by bigtimer...and McCain isn't any different on this issue regarding oil and being self-dependent here...
Oh he loves to say we have to stop aiding terrorists with oil money as he votes agains drilling safely here every single time...which I guess he depends on the majority of most people in this country not knowing, same as others, what with the msm agreeing with this and protecting all of the greenies with their constant bitching about gas prices but never saying who is at fault....
Congress!
It really is beyond sad.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
"HRC says that as soon as
April 13, 2008 - 16:31 ET by QueenMum"HRC says that as soon as she is inaugurated, the price of oil will come down, because the sheiks know that she has a plan for energy independence and they will be worried."
motherbelt: Did she really say this? That's Hillaryious! Does she mean those Arab sheiks who won't even let a woman go out of the house without covering up? LOL Yeah. They're really going to be cowed by Hillary's "plan". BTW, did she say what her plan is - other than "taking the oil profits", which will never happen.
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Yes, she did, QueenMum...it
April 13, 2008 - 16:48 ET by motherbeltYes, she did, QueenMum...it was reported in a couple of places; here's one
Thanks, motherbelt. First
April 13, 2008 - 17:57 ET by QueenMumThanks, motherbelt.
First of all, hasn't Pres. Bush been talking about energy independence and alternatives since 9/11? How is it that if Mrs. Clinton "talks" about it, the oil producers will be more convinced?
"Clinton argued that former President Jimmy Carter in the late 1970s actually started moving in the right direction toward energy independence, but his successor, Ronald Reagan, "dismantled" that work."
And can someone please explain to me how Jimmy Carter was "moving in the right direction". As I recall, we were all waiting in line at gas stations. Didn't seem like the right direction to me.
I'd also like to know under which administration the construction of nuclear power plants came to a halt. I don't think it was under Reagan.
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QM... Jimmy Carter was
April 13, 2008 - 18:06 ET by bigtimerQM...
Jimmy Carter was the person who stabbed Ted Stevens and others behind the scenes with the ANWR deal in Alaska.
I have or had a link long ago on this, but I listened to a long speech by Stevens on the history of all of this on the Senate floor, granted he isn't a great speaker, but I was astounded by his words adn what went on regarding all of this.
By the way I posted a couple links to you that are below at the exact same time mb did that are now in between posts regarding Hillary and her oil, but their is a great one comparing her and her plan to Chavez.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
And can someone please
April 13, 2008 - 18:15 ET by motherbeltAnd can someone please explain to me how Jimmy Carter was "moving in
the right direction". As I recall, we were all waiting in line at gas
stations. Didn't seem like the right direction to me.
Don't expect an explanation from HRC on that...You're just being petty. Liberals love to use catchy phrases like "Moving in the Right Direction" and "Standing up for Working Americans" without ever having to explain what they mean. Obama is the newest champion at this
"Change We Can Believe In"
"A new kind of politics"
"The Audacity of Hope"
What the H do any of them mean?????
A new kind of politics: A
April 13, 2008 - 19:34 ET by red_dragon311A new kind of politics: A double standard where you say and do just about anything and get a fee pass where if your oppsition did the same thing thier politcal career would be over the second it happened.
Change We Can Believe In: seeing is believing and when we start to SEE our country go down the road to socilism people will start to believe everything we conservitives have been saying for about 2 years
I was a professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world's first analrapist
Afternoon QM... Here are
April 13, 2008 - 16:48 ET by bigtimerAfternoon QM...
Here are two of Hillary's plans...this one is the best, it follows Hugo Chavez's example.... here is the other written by Balz from WaPO.
I wouldn't be so sure that it couldn't happen depending on the House/Senate majorities they end up with...
Oil companies will leave IMHO.
We have found this here just recently making news, bigger than ANWR... wanna' bet this gets stopped too by the greenies.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Hi, bt....I am patiently
April 13, 2008 - 16:50 ET by motherbeltHi, bt....I am patiently waiting for the "Gridiots" (Green idiots) to come up with a reason we can't drill in the Dakotas, either. They are probably researching it madly even as we write here.
MB, I have 2 simple
April 13, 2008 - 16:53 ET by LeonMB,
I have 2 simple reasons:
1) Because it's unneccesary. We now have plenty of viable alternatives.
2) It's anti-progress. It's stagnant. Time to move forward. No need to fight the inevitable.
Oil is a necessity Leon,
April 13, 2008 - 16:55 ET by bigtimerOil is a necessity Leon, now and will be for some time to come....deal with it.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
That's simply not the
April 13, 2008 - 17:01 ET by LeonThat's simply not the case. Oil is anti-progress. It's obsession with the status quo.
Most of the posters around here will be gone in the next couple of decades. The rest of us that have to be here for a while would prefer that you wouldn't try to make decisions for us.
Just quiet down and accept reality. Your time to do something in the world has passed. You blew it. You old heads made a mess of everything. Time to accept your grievous errors, come to terms with your arrogance, and move on. Your opinion is outdated and irrelevant.
Wow Leon, You are sounding
April 13, 2008 - 17:10 ET by bigtimerWow Leon, You are sounding like the old leon/hater here today, makes one wonder here if someone is using your name today or if you are drinking, in either case you are reverting to your old self fast today, you usually start out somewhat more diplomatically...be careful there...your slippin'....
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
No BT, I just find this
April 13, 2008 - 17:12 ET by LeonNo BT,
I just find this topic to be so fundamentally annoying. It's a clear example of people taking a political position out of petty spite.
There's no other plausible explanation.
Oil is a necessity ...deal
April 13, 2008 - 17:16 ET by bigtimerOil is a necessity ...deal with it.
The only thing annoying today is you showing up.
Unfortunately.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
No need to fight the
April 13, 2008 - 23:30 ET by general companyNo need to fight the inevitable. Leon
And the inevitable being? So you have all of the solutions? Lets here them? I get it you just suggest there are solutions, when in fact you, again, haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about,,,right
And can someone please explain to me how Jimmy Carter was "moving in
the right direction". As I recall, we were all waiting in line at gas
stations. MB
I think they meant the lines being the right direction, you know, like the USSR was. They had lots of lines as I recall
"Television is a freak show" Bernie Goldberg
uh Leon
April 13, 2008 - 17:16 ET by botgyou do realize where plastics come from? And are used as major components in computers, phones, cars, buildings, houses, roads, etc. I, for one kinda think these things are not anti-progress and would rather keep them around. You can eschew them after i die. Deal?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
You can tell him that til
April 13, 2008 - 17:20 ET by bigtimerYou can tell him that til you are blue in the face botg...it does no good.
simplicity for the simple-minded....they live in an unreal world. I wished just once we could take every single thing that is derived from oil away from people like Leon for three months...they would be on their knees for immediate oil production here in the good ol' USA.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Brucie
April 13, 2008 - 17:21 ET by BlondeLeon hasn't a clue....it's like trying to argue with a turd on your shoe.
But it is kind of humorous....in a certain, sick, tired, sad kind of way.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
I need more explanation. I
April 13, 2008 - 17:21 ET by LeonI need more explanation. I don't know what you're point is.
BWaaahhhhaaaahhhaaaahhhhaaahh
April 13, 2008 - 17:27 ET by botgBWaaahhhhaaaahhhaaaahhhhaaahhhhaaa
what part of obvious don't you understand?
Everyday items are made from oil
April 13, 2008 - 22:57 ET by PopularTechThe point is simple, many everyday items are made from oil:
A partial list of products made from Petroleum (144 of 6000 items)
Products Made From Oil
The Anti 'Man-Made' Global Warming Resource
Exactly PT... I would
April 13, 2008 - 23:05 ET by bigtimerExactly PT...
I would love for the rose-colored greenies and all their followers to go for three months at the minimum without any oil derived products...as in said earlier in above post a few up.
They'd be beggin'.....soon.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Oil is
April 13, 2008 - 17:53 ET by Gary P JacksonOil is ANTI-PROGRESS!?!
Leon, you've outdone yourself. Just when I thought you couldn't say something sillier, you prove me wrong.
OIL is ALL about progess. Oil completely fuels our civilization. Oil took us out of the 19th century in a hurry. Oil has elevated the life of every man woman and child in the industrial world.
If for no other reason, we don't ride horses anymore. Horses are ill tempered big stupid animals, but the real issue is their by product. Talk about harmful emissions! Horses did their "business" where they stood, or walked. (still do) The amount of horse manure on city streets, along with the accompanying flies and other insects, played a big part in the disease problems of the era.
Oil is indeed progress. And you have no answer for it's replacement. Wind and solar ain't gonna do it. And there is no whizzbang new science fiction fuel out there either.
Bio-fuels, forget it. Besides the obvious stupidity of using food for fuel, there is simply no way to make enough of it, or make it without using more energy than it produces or without unbelievable amounts of water per gallon of fuel produced.
Bio-fuels are nothing new. Rudolf Diesel developed his engine in the late 1800's to run on vegetable oil, or whale oil. Obviously we don't do that now, because it's not cost effective for mass markets. Sure there are guys who buy up old Mercedes and other diesel powered cars, that go and recycle restaurant cooking oil. But those are one offs.
As for ethanol, Henry Ford, who grew up on a farm, played with the idea as he was developing his new automobile. I'm talking late 1890's early 1900's. Back then gasoline was expensive, rather poor grade, and not easy to get. For safety most supplies were kept outside of populated areas. Ethanol was actually a better fuel, but even at the turn of the last century, when cars were still little more than a curiosity, Ford, and others realized bio-fuels were a non-starter. The scale of production was impossible. Still is.
Oil is the engine of democracy. It has made everyones life better. It's not evil. It's not all that unclean of a power source. And only really stupid people think it is.
We absolutely do NOT have
April 13, 2008 - 17:02 ET by Warner Todd HustonWe absolutely do NOT have "viable alternatives" to oil. EVERY alternative is far, far more expensive than oil. That makes them NOT "viable" at all.
In fact, were you to suddenly eliminate oil and try to substitute any of your so-called "viable alternatives" you would send the third world into the dark ages and impoverish billions.... yes EVEN worse than they now are.
Of course, to a environazi, human lives are meaningless, so... whatever.
WTH, Alternative enery is
April 13, 2008 - 17:11 ET by LeonWTH,
Alternative enery is inevitable. It's the guaranteed future. There's no reason to fight it.
Furthermore, Alternative Energy is an amazing stimulant for the economy. Creates jobs, rewards innovation, and is an amazing opportunity for America to dominate a market of ever-increasing revenue.
I see no down sides to moving towards alternative energy exclusively. Oil is finite. There is a limit. Why invest in something that will ultimately be obsolete? It makes no sense.
Are you afraid? Is that it? I really don't understand. I genuinely think the only reason you all support these position is b/c of your hatred of all things liberal. It's more about attacking your opponents than advancing a viable position. Very petty.
PS WTH where'd you go the other day? I was really hoping you'd chime in on your aggressive bullying of some highschool students (who according to you are nothing more than children meaning you like to attack children). Alas, you were AWOL. Not wishing to comment on your rambling hatred of people in general.
Wrong...
April 13, 2008 - 17:28 ET by Warner Todd HustonWrong on every count.
#1- I never said we should STOP trying to develop alternative energies. So, your claim that I am "fighting it" is just plain stupid.
#2- We have HUNDREDS of years of oil that we still have not gotten to. So, financially it makes NO sense to rush to untested and unprofitable alternatives.
#3- The ONLY reason you support these so-called alternatives is for political/religious reasons. It is a matter of pure faith for people like you to dream the dreamy dream that alternatives are plentiful. They are not. Someday they will be and we should move to put them in use then. That ain't NOW.
#4- I have been in Washington D.C. since last Wed. and only got back yesterday, so I am not aware of the thread you are talking about.
I must say, however, I have enjoyed my time off from the three stooges of stalkers, of which you represent Moe.
Enjoy your Sunday. There is a Church pew with your name on it. You should warm it every once in a while.
WTH
April 13, 2008 - 17:45 ET by MrShyTHAT...... was good.
:D
(or using Noel's favorite word..... delicious :))
* * * SOCKS THE CAT '08 * * *
For REAL Change
"Enjoy your Sunday. There
April 13, 2008 - 18:29 ET by contrary"Enjoy your Sunday. There is a Church pew with your name on it. You should warm it every once in a while."
This could quite possibly be the best quote ever.
"Republicans always get a huge pass on the racist issue. Huck is just another example. Provided they don't start up with the N word, they seem able to pander directly to the racist vote."
-- Chuck Davis, intellectual heavyweight, bigot
contrary... That is
April 13, 2008 - 18:32 ET by bigtimercontrary...
That is exactly what I thought too out of that whole post of WTH's that was the best.
Maybe he (leon) took heed...hopefully.
I do have to add the three stooges reference too...lol.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
WTH: "...I have enjoyed
April 13, 2008 - 23:28 ET by stratmanLOL!
Who's:
Larry
Shemp
Joe (Besser)
Curly Joe (Joe DeRita)
Curly? (best for last)
Feel free to ignore #3 & 4. Most people did/do as they were fairly forgettable.
RRAM Tough!
Please define plenty of
April 13, 2008 - 17:21 ET by motherbeltPlease define plenty of viable alternatives.
And, move forward to what?
And I know your comment about this was below, but I simply have to take umbrage with your contention that I have screwed things up. Please elaborate and tell me what "I" did to screw things up.
Not you specifically, but
April 13, 2008 - 17:22 ET by LeonNot you specifically, but your generation.
You grew up in paranoid times, it's not your fault.
Here we go....full tilt Leon
April 13, 2008 - 17:26 ET by BlondeThis ought to be mind-bending.
Whine away.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
If they want drilling...
April 13, 2008 - 18:03 ET by SyriusLeon,
Let's start in their backyards first! Have those oil rigs drilling all day long without any complaints. Let's see who starts whining first. Who's going to step up first? Oh, by the way, rest assured if Cheney has anything to do with it, they will make zilch, zippo, nada. How are those gas prices?
Syrius
"...the dire consequences to society when people begin to believe that by
renaming someone to erase their humanity opens the door to the
devaluation of everyone's life..."-dscott
Syrius: I for one am
April 13, 2008 - 19:15 ET by QueenMumSyrius: I for one am shocked to learn that there are citizens of our country who have to deal with oil rigs drilling in their very backyards. And I must commend you for being the first to use a Halliburton reference today. Can't let the folks get complacent, eh?
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How Liberals Form a Sentence
April 13, 2008 - 19:20 ET by Free StinkerQM - don't you know?
Everything out of a Liberals mouth is:
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
Hey! I haven't once said
April 13, 2008 - 19:23 ET by balboaHey! I haven't once said anything about Dick Cheney dry-humping the profits of Halliburton!
I thought you were still a
April 13, 2008 - 19:25 ET by Free StinkerI thought you were still a "moderate" ;-)
Pledge to not support RINOs ever again!
Are you kidding me? Talk
April 13, 2008 - 19:18 ET by Gary P JacksonAre you kidding me? Talk about stupidity. It's liberals who proclaim all real sources of energy evil, while proscribing 17th century solutions like wind farms as the answer! Of course, these same liberals don't want them in THEIR backyard. (See Teddy Kennedy)
As for an oil rig, if they found oil in MY backyard they could set up shop, no problem. I'd love to sell crude for over $100 bucks a barrel.
GaryP... You beat me to
April 13, 2008 - 19:24 ET by bigtimerGaryP...
You beat me to it!
My backyard is just fine....drill away!
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
As for an oil rig, if they
April 13, 2008 - 19:25 ET by QueenMumAs for an oil rig, if they found oil in MY backyard they could set up shop, no problem. I'd love to sell crude for over $100 bucks a barrel.
Yup. I'd be loadin' up the truck and movin' to Beverly ... Hills, that is. And I'd be takin' my Bible and my guns with me. LOL :)
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The best you can do is
April 13, 2008 - 19:26 ET by NL207The best you can do is imply Dick Cheney is a dishonest businessman without a stick of proof to back up your slanderous claims? Some big shot debater you are. You plan to come in here and show all of us how stupid and wrong we are and this is the best you can do? Bah! I get more resistance from my teenager's ignorant science teacher.
Think about this: Could the high price of gasoline have anything to do with the high price of oil? Gasoline couldn't actually be a by-product of oil could it? And oil couldn't possibly be in short supply because environmentalist wackos the world over have for years been seeking to limit its production. And demand for oil couldn't be skyrocketing because of enormous economic growth in the two most populous countries on Earth, China and India, could it?
Nawww... none of this could possibly be true. It has to be an evil plot by the dreaded Dick Cheney!
Syrius, I don't recall oil
April 13, 2008 - 20:22 ET by motherbeltSyrius, I don't recall oil being discovered in anyone's back yard since "The Beverly Hillbillies." Oil rigs don't go in anybody's back yard unless they own the land and want them there. They don't even look for oil in populated areas. The rigs off the Gulf Coast would be 10 miles out...well out of "eyesore on the coast" range. Here is a graphic of where the drilling would be in ANWR. Look like anyone's back yard?
motherbelt & Syrius
April 13, 2008 - 23:57 ET by botghere's a picture of said 'backyard'
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botg... Beautiful! A
April 14, 2008 - 00:04 ET by bigtimerbotg...
Beautiful! A picture says a thousand words....and by the way that is priceless.
You made my day and night....thanks...I'm grinning ear to ear as I type this.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
bigtimer
April 14, 2008 - 00:11 ET by botgdid you use the arrows to see other pics and look about the site?
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botg...ummm...no...I didn't
April 14, 2008 - 00:15 ET by bigtimerbotg...ummm...no...I didn't notice them, I am going back right now though.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
for example BT
April 14, 2008 - 00:14 ET by botghere's the plain in summer trees? they don't grow north of the artic circle the no sun for 6 months kinda kaboshes that
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botg...I just got back from
April 14, 2008 - 00:22 ET by bigtimerbotg...I just got back from looking at all...the pictures are even dearer to my heart...they are filed too.
thanks...like I said the pictures say it all...
Thanks.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
sure BT
April 14, 2008 - 00:24 ET by botggoodnight
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Catch ya' later botg...have