Boston Globe Celebrates Feelings Above Education

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We no longer educate in the United States of America. No, instead of making to educate our children we emot-ucate them. It's all about our children's tender egos, their vaunted self esteem, their itty bitty feewings. We don't want them to know or understand so much as we want them to "feel good" about themselves. If they don't know during what years the civil war was fought, that's OK as long as they think they are "good people" anyway. If their math skills are substandard, who cares as long as they really like themselves?

The Boston Globe, for its part, seems to agree that everything is better when our students "feel better." As far as real life's lessons go, as far as hard work, good grades, educational standards go... well, not so much. No, it’s "group therapy, "liberation", and "collective defiance" meant to make kids "feel good" that the paper seems to feel is a story worth pursuing.

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On April 8th the Globe published a story titled "Wall of rejection letters is teen's group therapy," wherein the Globe celebrates the "defiance" evinced by the kids in Newton South High School who sought a measure of catharsis by posting their college rejection letters on a community bulletin board designated the "wall of shame."

The Globe was pleased to see these kids making themselves "feel" better by each gathering his rejection together with others' and transforming individual failure into a festival of self-pity aimed at mitigating responsibility. "Gosh," the feeling seems to be, "if everyone else is failing too, I must not be so bad after all!"

The truth is, though, if so many others are failing, perhaps there is something wrong with the education these kids are receiving at the High School level? Instead of everyone breathing an undeserved sigh of relief that they are "in the same boat" as others, it would do far more for their futures should they endeavor to find out how to get in a different, more seaworthy boat.

But, look at the delusions these kids are under as described by the Boston Globe.

With each maddeningly thin envelope, each remorseless rebuff from another top-choice college, Kellen Mandehr died a little death. In search of catharsis, the senior at Newton South High School posted the offending documents on the school's "Wall of Shame," a hallway bulletin board blanketed with dozens of college rejection letters.

With each punch of the stapler, each slam of his fist, Mandehr won a small measure of payback. And a large measure of liberation.

"It was definitely a good feeling," he said yesterday, reminiscing by the mural of rejection letters. "I pounded it pretty good."

Payback? Liberation? From what? A successful life? This young student did not win anything here. All this student did was fool himself into imagining that everything was just fine. Sort of like whistling through the graveyard. Its a scary walk, but the whistling does make one feel better despite the gravity of the situation.

Yes, Mr. Mandher got a "good feeling" but he still has no college acceptance letter. But if a "good feeling" was all one needed to carry one through life then all that annoying learning and hard work would be unnecessary.

High school seniors everywhere have traditionally posted their rejection letters as an act of collective defiance against the high-pressure and hypercompetitive college admissions process. But this year, with top-tier colleges rejecting more applicants than ever before, dejected students say they are especially in need of what amounts to a group hug.

No, a "group hug" won't get them the better grades that they need to get into the best schools. It won't make those sought after colleges change their minds and it won't pave the way to a better future, either.

In fact, it will serve to make their drive less effective as they wallow in their self-pity and substandard position in life, or, perhaps, allow themselves to become complacent instead of goaded to higher levels. It makes them settle for less instead of striving for more. These kids should not so offhandedly reveal their failure to the world, but double down and try harder. The school that allows this foolishness and the paper that approvingly reports on it should be excoriating these children not indulging in their excuse making.

Then again, maybe we should also be wondering how bad the education really is for these kids? Maybe the kids at Newton South High are failing because they haven't really been taught what they need to succeed at being admitted to the school of their choice? At least, if a decent grasp of the English language is any indication, these kids are not very well equipped to succeed. Let's review some of the quotes as reported by the Globe.

Mr. Mandehr, we can be reminded, was reported as saying:

"It was definitely a good feeling," he said yesterday, reminiscing by the mural of rejection letters. "I pounded it pretty good."

No, Mr. Mandehr, you didn't pound it "pretty good." You should have pounded it "pretty well."

On this so-called wall of shame one rejection letter had scrawled upon it this wonderful example of grammatical expertise: "Don't worry, I got in other places!" It makes one wonder exactly what was "got" in those "other places"? Perhaps "got into" might have cleared up the matter?

Then the story ends with this bit of inarticulateness from one Daniel Rabinowicz, 17.

"That rejection letter can be tough," he said. "But look at this, and you know you're not alone."

Of course, Danny probably meant "But when you look at this..." instead of just "But look at this."

I certainly hope that these kids didn't speak so badly during their interviews with the college admission boards. If they did, perhaps that might serve to inform them of one of the reasons why they got those pesky rejection letters?

Yet, to the Globe and these seemingly half sentient kids, rejection leads to "acceptance" when it should lead to shame.

Calling the postings the Wall of Shame is meant to be sarcastic, students say. In many ways, posting the rejection letters is a way to find acceptance.

Of the vocabulary that we are teaching our children, shame is one of the worst omissions.

Yes, it's all about the feelings, not the achievement. Along those lines, the Globe gives us this gem to paper over failure.

"It's unifying, and kind of celebratory," said Max Lorn-Krause, who was denied at several schools and plans to study theater at Ithaca College. "It's a rite of passage."

A "rite of passage," Mr. Lorn-Krause? No, a rite of passage is usually a celebratory event. Failure is nothing to celebrate.

Alex Kaufman told the Globe, "There's nothing worse than getting a rejection letter, but knowing you're in the same boat as lots of other people, that definitely helps." It helps? How? By making you "feel" better, maybe, but it certainly does absolutely nothing to fulfill your goals. But, Mr. Kaufman has been taught that "feeling better" is far more important than achievement, so to him posting his failure for all to see "helps."

This is the same empty sentiment expressed by Sofya Rozenblat who said, "It's very therapeutic. Letting everyone know made me feel so much better. I realized that almost everyone gets rejected, so it's one more thing we all have in common."

Such meaningless twaddle.

But it is revealing that for many of these kids failure isn't something they had ever been faced with until a college rejection letter appeared in their mailbox.

"These are kids who are used to getting their way their whole lives," said Newton South college counselor Barbara Brown. "For many, this is their first major disappointment. That can be very difficult, especially in a community like this."

This is no evidence of the brilliance of the kids at Newton South but it is evidence, rather, of the sparsity of challenge they have faced their entire young lives up until that very moment. If it took until their 18th birthday before the shock of failure ever knocked at their door, then it is obvious that the bar had been far too low for them. Oh, it isn't the kid’s fault as much as it is the School's. What is their fault is this obscene sentiment that failure is nothing to get all wound up about This foolhardy dismissal of failure that the "wall of shame" represents is certainly a step in the wrong direction right at a time when they need to be pushed ahead, not coddled.

Instead of the wake up call that their failure should be, the slap in the face that should send them back to the books to work harder to see how they might improve, they wallow in lowered expectations, assemble with other failures, and commiserate with each other, assuring themselves that it's no big deal.

Well, it is a big deal. It should be a big deal. You should be ashamed, not "defiant” – except where that defiance might spur you on to greater effort. Of course, that shame shouldn't stop you from harder work and it shouldn't be a cause for depression. But it is something that shouldn’t be brushed off as insignificant.

But, these are concepts that our schools fail to impart to our children and that failure does none of them any good. For that matter, as more kids every year are belched out of our High Schools without any useful knowledge imparted to them throughout their too easy lives, we endanger our very future.

Our schools are sending more idiots than ever into our greater society. But, the fortunate thing is they "feel good" about themselves.

Hooray for us. We’re number one… for now.


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Cue the three stooges of

Cue the three stooges of stalking...

[In hushed golf-commentator

[In hushed golf-commentator whisper]: Warner attempts an interesting strategy here. By being the first to comment on his own message board and using said comment to predict the presence of argument against his article, he simultaneously invites such argument and casts it as mundanely predictable. Furthermore, by referring to the few posters who recognize the appalling nature of most of his articles, or at least the tone and attitude taken toward his subjects, as 'stooges of stalking', WTH further throws down the gambit, as any response whatsoever could be construed as simply proving WTH right. As always, nothing but class and professionalism from Huston, especially in this penetrating expose of high school students who not only should be denied 1st Amendment Rights (as established in Huston's previous work on free speech issues in private high schools), but also foretell the ruination of education by engaging in a cathartic gesture of displaying college rejection notices. Let's see what happens....

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

Who is trying to curtail first amendment rights here?

Sheesh. Warner griping about snotty kids is dangerous, and apparently stuff like McCain Feingold political censorship isn't worth comment. Hint: The FEC can make your life more miserable than Warner's most appalling post X10.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

→ good one sarc

Just don't call those snotty kids monkeys.

Obama might think it's a slur.

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Well, it's not like I was all that mature...

I burned all my rejections. :) 

One thing that's not mentioned much in these stories is that the application process involves large fees these days. When you get rejected, the fees don't get refunded, either. It's a substantial income stream to some schools, but nobody seems to talk about it much.
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Those fees go up every

Those fees go up every year. A student who applies to 10 schools, maybe a mix of state and private universities, can expect to drop $700-$1000 in nonrefundable application fees. I know they've got to pay all the administrators and secretaries who deal with all of them, but considering how many schools use online or common forms, and how much work it is to put together a decent application in the first place, it's a real insult added to injury kind of thing for kids who don't get in anywhere.

It also torpedoes the common, snide belief that academia is totally anomalous and detached from the real world. Universities are as capitalistic as any other institution and the sheer volume of people who want in just demonstrates the demand.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

Prediction:

Ralph Nader will NOT agitate for a "full fee income disclosure" law to expose this little-known aspect of academia. "The University of YYYY took in a total of $XXXXX.XX last year off these nonrefundable fees from students we rejected."
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

A possible solution

Perhaps students could prepare themselves such that they have a very high degree of confidence in being accepted based on their academic merit and then just apply to 2 or 3 schools (at most).

 

That's certainly one

That's certainly one strategy to consider, but unfortunately, academic merit is one of many many considerations. Generally, the safest strategy, financial blow aside, is to really spread out your bets, so to speak. Or just apply to the flagship school of the state in which you reside; unless you're a fundamental failure, they're sort of obligated to take you.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

JasonC, Tremendous

JasonC,

Tremendous post.  Superior dismantling of WTH's consistent tactics.

Truly hilarious. 

Wow....where's Curly?

...Moe and Larry jumped in right on cue...where's Curly?

v

"V,
You've officially won the award for least value added to Newsbusters." - Leon

And it's V with the

And it's V with the devastating rhetorical beatdown! Way to transcend your tagline.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

And it's V with the devastating rhetorical beatdown!

Always happy to oblige Jason.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

btw: you even have a picture of the three of you on your profile, although it's an early one when Curly had hair! ):

v

Face piles of trials with smiles. It riles them to believe that you perceive the web they weave.

At least you recognize when being called

At least you responded in predicatable fashion.

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

Well the whole premise is

Well the whole premise is absurd, of course. I may not have majored in psychology, but WTH is obviously baiting those who criticize his stories to do so. The "here come the stalkers" post is a defense mechanism so that when we inevitably do reply to his outlandish, insulting, poorly-written screeds, he can say "See?"

And surely, you can't expect us to ignore such an inflammatory "story."

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

Shocking? Well, not really...

Not to play the role of the little boy Leon here, but really, is this news?

I have known for a long time now that public schools, as they are now designed, are NOT in existence to educate students.  They exist for other reasons:

1) To provide subsidized babysitting.

2) To provide warm, fuzzy self esteem (as noted here).

3) To provide kids a GREAT social environment where they can hang out, participate in endless extracurricular activities (so long as it doesn't involve TEACHING them anything!), and otherwise give them something they can reminisce endlessly about decades from now (all of this is especially true in high school).

How DARE you insist the public schools teach our kids something useful!  What next, are you going to insist that schools teach our children to think for themselves and otherwise look at the world with a critical eye?

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

Don't mean to shock...

And I don't mean to shock you, but I ALSO think we should fire teachers who fail to teach!

I know, I know. It's beyond the pale.

YOU RADICAL!!!

WHAT?  You can't POSSIBLY be suggesting that people be fired for doing a poor job!

What next, Mr. Huston?  Are you next going to suggest that we reward good teachers with higher pay and bonuses?  You know, as an incentive??? 

Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.

I once read a satire about

I once read a satire about the next "victims of discrimination" group...people who were denied jobs, or fired from jobs, just because they were......stupid. That's not so far-fetched any more!

Regarding the self-esteem push...it's working. There are some studies that show that although education-wise, our kids are way behind the rest of the world, they think they are performing near or at the top.

It starts way back in the toddler years, where children begin to get praised for everything they do. I was once in a public restroom with a mother, who, after they were done at the sink, said to her little daughter, in that sing-song voice we mothers tend to use with our little ones...Thank you...for washing your hands!

I would have to conclude

* But this year, with top-tier colleges rejecting more applicants than ever before...*

Unfortunately this means students from all over the country are less educated then the previous years.

 

 

Logic, Considering your

Logic,

Considering your name, you should try some.

It doesn't mean students are less educated, it means that more students are applying to top tier colleges.

Ha.  Great post!

Leon, Could it

Leon,

Could it be teachers are filling students heads with mush and telling them how good they are, thereby setting them up for failure when they have to compete on a higher plane? 

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

Could be Buff,But highly

Could be Buff,

But highly doubtful considering school's average SAT's and ACTs are public information.

As are their average GPAs and class percentile. 

So regardless of what a teacher tells you, you know what the bar is.

I'd imagine the kind of pressure you're talking about comes more from parents than teachers.

As noted in previous

As noted in previous discussions, prep sessions can raise the scores for standarized testing. 

The "bar" at a given school or district may appear to be a reliable reference, but GPAs and class percentiles in a grade inflated environment don't do anyone any favors.  In fact they probably contribute to a false perception of the students' abilities.

"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"

This is what we get for allowing the feminization of America.

Many people (you know the ones I mean) think that emotions are more important than reason. If children are not taught to reason instead of emot, they become unable to cope in the world of employment and business.

The trouble with emotions is that they equate to instincts in lower animals and are counter productive in modern man-made world (as opposed to the days when cavemen and cavewomen lived like animals in the wild). They were designed to guide humans through life, but that prehistoric wild life no longer exists. When we give in to emotions, we become like animals, and humans who act like animals end up in a cage (i.e. prison).

Mammalian instincts must be suppressed by logic and morality if we are to maintian a civilised society. The failure of that leads to crime, murder and war; as we now see.

Some people don't undersand that if emotions were allowed to run wild, we would devolve into lawless Gaza.

We need a separation between emotion and State.

Religion did not create morality. Our past failures did. Our rejection of morality is the same as a dog returning to eat his own vomit.

---
Communist vs. Statist '08

Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"

"Some people don't

"Some people don't undersand that if emotions were allowed to run wild, we would devolve into lawless Gaza."

Good point. That could apply to the whole Islamo-fascism movement.

I agree, this is old news,

I agree, this is old news, with a new face on it. This is merely the logical result of the direction public education has been headed in this country for years.

It's why I knew in 1997 that my yet-to-be-born son would attend Catholic school. And I STILL had to counter the AGW propaganda they feed him. I say "had" because he now knows it for what it is, and just nods and "talks the talk" for the sake of his grades. But at least he's not in the "feel good failing" public school system.

Who was that Al Franken character from SNL, back when he was still a comedian? Something-Smalley? "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and darn it, people like me."

Must be our SecEd.

"I pounded it pretty

"I pounded it pretty good."

Therein lies the problem. Sport, if you had spent more time studying and less time "pounding it pretty good" you might have made it into one of the top tier schools (with better vision too, I might add).

“There’s nobody (white) on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any (other) ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)

(parentheticals added for clarity)

RHB, I thought you better

RHB,

I thought you better than this.  Getting rejected from a college is not necessarily a sign of failure.

Many people get rejected from schools despite having the same exact credentials and accomplishments as those who get in to the schools.

There are so many factors that go into it, that it's hardly fair to call someone that gets rejected, a failure. 

Exactly, Leon. Not to

Exactly, Leon. Not to mention, Newton is among the richest and whitest of Boston suburbs, so I'm surprised this article isn't about some sort of dastardly, affirmative action-rooted bias against good, clean-cut upper-middle class kids in the admissions process.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

→ Thanks, Jason

I was wondering when a lefty was going to jump in there with their mother hen protectionist condescension.

Y'all done plantin' on the plantation yet?

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JasonC, The affirmative

JasonC,

The affirmative action approach would definitely have not been surprising.

It's just so absurd to claim that getting rejected from a college is a sign of failure.  It's simply the nature of the beast. 

Warner routinely makes arguments based out of his own ignorance and this is a perfect example.  What does he think happens in the application process?  Everyone who meets a certain minimum gets accepted?  If you have a 4.0, you automatically get into a top tier school?

Well, that's not how it works, thus rendernig WTH's entire argument worthless...again.

→ Heeeere's Leon

But you manage to fill in for Jesse Jackson even though this thread has nothing to do with race.

What was that about staying on topic?

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Yeah, I was being

Yeah, I was being sarcastic, pointing out the way that some masthead members and posters will twist a benign story any way they can to malign public education. I call it EDS.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

Leon, first, that post of

Leon, first, that post of mine was intended to be humorous (would a smiley face have helped?). Second, failing to accepted by a college is not necessarily a failure? Aack!  What would be a failure then? I think you might be better served saying that failure is not the end of the world that many people make it out to be. For example, there are many successful people who failed and went on to greatness (i.e., Einstein, Emerson, etc.). I could agree with that. The real issue, I think, is that people are afraid to fail.  Those who have never failed have never tried.

“There’s nobody (white) on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any (other) ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)

(parentheticals added for clarity)

→ RHB on clarity

I'm delighted you have further clarified Barack (redacted) Obama's statement to indicate he was not being disengenuous with his Imus comment.

The technicality that only Whites can be racist was obviously in play when the comment was made.

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Thanks. My humble desire

Thanks. My humble desire is to help translate the higher musings of Senator Obama to the low-life right wingers on this site so they can appreciate the true genius that he is. If not for my efforts they might be lost in their conservatism forever.

“There’s nobody (white) on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any (other) ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)

(parentheticals added for clarity)

Cheap shot, RHB...

Cheap shot, RHB...but funny, nevertheless.

However, it sounds as if you could be speaking from personal experience.  How's your eyesight? 

Jer

I wear contacts and

I wear contacts and glasses. At the same time.

“There’s nobody (white) on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any (other) ethnic group.” -Obama (talking about Imus)

(parentheticals added for clarity)

WTH,This is a post only

WTH,

This is a post only someone who never went to college could write.

You clearly have no understanding of the application process, which can be highly subjective.  People routinely get rejected who have the same credentials and accomplishments as those who get accepted.  Top Tier universities can't accept everyone that acheives a certain level.  Any moron knows this. 

Furthermore, your utter disdain for these highschool students is frightening.  Ugh.  It's disturbing to watch a grown man attack like this.

I would respect your criticism of the education system much more if it wasn't rooted in your own personal academic failures.

Good stuff, Hust! Maybe if

Good stuff, Hust! Maybe if the high school students received education and not emot-ucation or indoctrination, then they wouldn't be failing to get into community colleges so much... it makes sense. Plus it's a waste of school dollars to put on a program like this. Just do what sarc did: burn them, or be creative!

The Rocky Mountain Collegian: Illustrating Idiocy

Right, Good stuff:

Keep up the good work, Hust. Denial is part and parcel of the "liberal" game. Nothing is a "problem" unless THEY say it is. We are in an educational mess due in part to "liberal" denial of what is going on. Admitting there is a problem is the first step toward doing something about it. Sticking your head in the sand ( for your own ends) obviously doesn't work. You are right about "feel good" education, Warner. It's a failure.

Read Michelle Obama's "thesis" from Princeton. It's poorly written,"liberal" tripe from an affirmative action gal. But I'll bet she really "feels good" about it.

BTW, IMHO Warner's larger point is being ignored (deliberately?). What does this posting of rejection notices teach and encourage in young people? Bad "feelings"? Hatred? What good does it do?

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

"People routinely get

"People routinely get rejected who have the same credentials and accomplishments as those who get accepted.  Top Tier universities can't accept everyone that acheives a certain level.  Any moron knows this."

People also get routinely rejected who have credentials superior to others who were admitted.  This happens all the time.   It happened when Harvard University admitted Ted Kennedy, whom it later expelled for cheating.  It happens because of patronage.  Since 1972, it has been happening routinely because of misguided government and university policies which assign value to the racial, gender and ethnic charactersitics of applicants.  The Government and Universities call this policy "Affirmative Action".  People with any intelligence call this policy "Racism, Sexism and Bigotry".

Top tier universities that evaluate the merits of applicants according to race, creed, and gender are guilty of racism, bigotry and sexism.  Any moron can see this.... at least any besides Leon.

 

Huh? Leon didn't even

Huh? Leon didn't even bring up affirmative action; in fact, the only person who did was me, in jest. Any moron who reads this thread can see that... 

But since you make a pressing point with your affirmative action remarks, let me ask you this: should the kids who get rejected, in favor of less-qualified but demographically-desirable candidates, be considered failures? Some people here seem to think so, and your post, despite its intent to malign Leon, actually just solidifies his case.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

Exactly Jason, If a

Exactly Jason,

If a student with a 4.0 gets rejected b/c he was competing for the same acceptance slot as another applicant who has a family history of alumni from that university, should he really be considered a failure?

Again, to reiterate, acceptance is subjective.  When I was recruited by several Ivy League schools for sports, one of the first things they told us is that they have a certain number of slots for athletes who could not otherwise get accepted due to low grades or poor SATs.   

So the act of getting rejected is not necessarily a failure.  There are many factors aside from academic achievement that go into the acceptance process. 

This article is just another clear example of Warner tackling subjects he knows nothing about.

"This article is just

"This article is just another clear example of Warner tackling subjects he knows nothing about"

 

What's the big deal about that?  It never stopped you!

Touche NL, Good one for

Touche NL,

Good one for you.  Very clever.

I'm also don't make my living pretending to be a journalist.

A Gentle Kick In the Ribs

"I'm also don't make ..." 

So which response do I settle on, "could have fooled me," or, "clearly." :o)

V/R
Clyde

"...the aspirants to tyranny are either the...men of the state, who in democracies are demagogues,... or those who hold great offices, and have a long tenure.." - Aristotle, Politics, c350BC

"should the kids who get

"should the kids who get rejected, in favor of less-qualified but demographically-desirable candidates, be considered failures?"

I think I was suggesting the rejecting institution itself was a failure.

Glad to see you lefties are still so sensitive to the mentuion of A-A.  That's a strong indication that even you characters believe A-A is racial, sexual and ethnic discrimination and therefore contrary to the moral and legal principles of America.

It's problematic, that's

Ah, but demographic acceptance standards (aka Affirmative Action) are not necessarily set by the college itself. Or if it is, it's the result of a lot of issues concerning funding, alumni pressure, etc.

It's problematic, that's for sure. And just another reason why rejection from a college is not necessarily a failure on the applicant's part.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

Wow...It's almost like both sides agree with me that

Barry Goldwater was right way back when about government enforced racial preferences in the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Nah! Couldn't be! There must be some mistake! ;)
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Theater major?

Scott: And now over to Kent Brockman for some grim economic news.

Kent: Scott, things aren't as happy as they used to be down here at the unemployment office.  Joblessness is no longer just for  philosophy majors.  "Useful people" are starting to feel the pinch.

Barney: I haven't been able to find a job in six years.

Kent: Hmph.  And what training do you have?

Barney: Five years of modern dance, six years of tap.

Rog...Barney is obviously a

Rog...Barney is obviously a Democrat.  All of the Republican tap dancers have a job in the Bush administration.

Jer

Ar Ar Ar    

Ar Ar Ar

 

 

Spongebob? Or is that Mr.

Spongebob? Or is that Mr. Crabs?

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!

"Barney is obviously a Democrat"

You may have something there:

A) Anyone’s natural reaction would be that such a person as Barney in this little exchange is your standard issue Democrat.

B) But statistically, out every dozen or so million Republican there is likely to be a flaky tap dancer. And assuming that is the case, it is a fair bet they all have jobs.

Impunitas semper ad deteriora invitat.

A job as a "flaky tap dancer"?

A job as a "flaky tap dancer"?  Does it pay well?

Jer

Only if it's

"Exotic." :)
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

I'm really creeped out by

I'm really creeped out by this "wall of shame". Probably for the first time these kids are competing as individuals, and risk being "rejected" as individuals.

So what happens when they get rejection letters? They run to the soft, warm collective for solace. An individual's rejection letter gets lost in a generic collective.

I pin 90% of the blame to leftist intellectual bankruptcy. But WTH labels of "failure" and "shame" strikes me as a bit too German. These kids are under a tremendous amount of stress, and are certainly facing tougher competition then those of us 20 or more years ago. Though I agree 100% that these kids shouldn't be encouraged to indulge in leftist sour grapes, we shouldn't be hacking on them so hard, either.

I suspect the willingness

I suspect the willingness to accept and even celebrate failure has a lot to do with why they end up rejected. I doubt very many individuals who were determined to be successful and made every effort to ensure that they were ended up posting rejection notices on the wall of shame.

 

Wow, Warner...you really

Wow, Warner...you really busted [or should it be "burst"] those kids over their incredibly grotesque mangling of the English language.  Really...scrawling "got in" instead of "got into" on a bulletin board;  saying "pretty good" instead of "pretty well";  and, finally, omitting the word "when" while uttering a casual remark.  Oh, the horror!  To what depths have our institutions of learning sunk when such moronic, uneducated blather flows from the lips of our children? 

I believe it was the departed SportPolitics who, when confronted with yet another grammatical irregularity, would scream:  "This is a freakin' blog comment...not an English thesis!" I think a similar point could be made with respect to the context in which these students' remarks were made.

Warner, I suspect a competent English grammar authority could even locate a fair number of usage, syntax, and context errors in this blog of yours...and you write good!

Jer

"I think a similar point

"I think a similar point could be made with respect to the context in which these students' remarks were made."

Passive Voice!

This might be the

This might be the singularly most moronic story ever posted on NewsBusters.

feelings...blah, blah, blah

We're sorry you feel that way. Liberals allow feelings and emotions to control their decisons often devoid of facts.

Get it!!!???

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.

I don't feel it; I know it,

I don't feel it; I know it, with every fiber of my logic center.

So you're saying a story

So you're saying a story about kids wallowing in collectivist sour grapes is pretty stupid? I agree.

"Liberals"

More proof here. NOTHING is important to a "liberal" accept what the "liberal" thinks is important. The educational system in America is a mess, a disaster! Deny it as much as you wish to deny it. Refuse to see the big picture. Go ahead. Warner's piece demonstrates a symtom of a larger problem. "Liberals" wish to be blind to it do it for their own personal reasons. It's the narrow world of "liberalism". It's the "liberal" mentality as demonstrated here by the trolls. Sad.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Warner's piece demonstrates

Warner's piece demonstrates a symtom of a larger problem.

Yes it does.

Warner's piece demonstrates

Warner's piece demonstrates a symtom of a larger problem.

It's true. There are problems in education, particularly public. But 'education' is not just some massive public interest group; these problems, and the responsibility to fix them, are on the shoulders of students, teachers, parents, politicians, lawyers, and the general cultural climate. Warner's problem is his attempt to critique these problems with a sledgehammer. High school kids having a sense of gallows humor and camaraderie in the face of huge disappointment concerning something they've worked hard towards (yes, just applying to a top-notch school is a lot of work) may not be worth a Globe story, but it's not indicative of a damn thing. But it sounds silly, and has all the necessary ingredients - Academia! Failure! Lazy, enabling teachers! - and so Warner fumbles at it in his inimitable way. And even comments on the message board to pre-empt/bait any potential criticism.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

Warner's presentation

So it's Warner's presentation that you object to. There are ways to criticize that. You just demonstrated one. But to attack the message, as many did in this case, is wrong.

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No, I'm attacking

No, I'm attacking everything about it. There are problems with public education, but WTH makes clear he doesn't even know where to begin discussing them if this is his critical vehicle.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

"But 'education' is not

"But 'education' is not just some massive public interest group"

You're right!  It is a massive PRIVATE interest group consisting of the NEA, AFT and tenured faculty everywhere,  greedy and influential labor organizations whose primary goals have nothing to do with the proper education of any students at any level from K --> Phd and everything to do with the enrichment of educators.

NL207

So right, NL207. And until that problem is addressed honestly, nothing will change. The difficulty is, as with our political system, it may be too late. Too many special interests. Sad.

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Well Jason, c'mon, some

Well Jason,

c'mon, some of you can be quite predictable.  Besides, he baited you and you took it, right?  why?  you should have let it go, correct?

I don't think that at any moment did the author of the article above said, "This is THE problem with education..."  I believe he was pointing to ANOTHER problem with our educational system. 

Furthermore, parents are fixing the problem, by sending kids to private school or homeschooling them, right?  Now, shouldn't the teachers and schools step up?  Sorry, it doesn't take a village, it takes a few individuals, sometimes ONE person to fix the problem.  Look at how many politicians are against vouchers.  How too many of them love choice when it comes to murdering an unborn baby, but hate choice when it comes allowing a family to choose where they want to send their children to school.  why?  care to explain? 

The self-esteem problem is but one aspect of the complete and total failure of our public educational system.  I see this day in and day out.  I see students who are homeschooled to be 100% more respectful, better educated, better prepared over all to start a univeristy than those that attended either a public or private school.  Obviously, like in everything else, there are exceptions. 

Just to tell you a short story....I was born in Venezuela and went to schools in Venezuela for many years, I attended both, private and public schools in Venezuela.  (by the way, same here in the USA, public, private AND homeschooled).  The biggest difference that I saw back before the monster Hugo Chavez took power, between the American system and the Venezuelan system was that schools and teachers did as the parents wished, not the other way around like it is too frequent the case in the United States.  In the USA teachers and schools believe that the schools and teachers know better how to raise a child than his/her own parents. 

The other difference was that in Venezuela there was and still there isn't this self-esteem stupidity.  Finally, students in Venezuela take 7 to 10 courses a year and these are not home-economic courses, rather, World History, Algebra, English, Spanish literature, Sciences, etc, etc, etc. 

Schools today, in the USA, want to make their students feel good about themselves, so instead of challenging children, they water down curriculms in order to make sure that the student doesn't fail. 

Look at England, how they have banned the use of red pens to correct exams.  Look at how many schools in the USA don't allow teams to keep score during sport matches.  So that the team that loses doesn't feel bad about themselves.

Yes, this whole self-esteem issue plays a huge part of why our educational system is garbage. 

Believe it or not, I am

Believe it or not, I am very much in favor of homeschooling when it is done well. However, the majority of families haven't the time, resources, or know-how to properly do it.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

JasonC, Question, how do

JasonC,

Question, how do you know the majority of families don't have the time, resources or know-how to do it well? 

c'mon, you are generalizing about an awfully lot of people and families. 

This statement is like the statement that Liberals attack when any Conservative generalizes by saying, "All Liberals..."  or "All Democrats..." 

I think you are falling into a Liberal mind thinking that parents do not know better than schools. 

I 100% disagree with you on this. 

Millions of kids are homeschooled today, most of them are enrolled in some type of homeschooling system, like Seton, that mails parents books, exams, materials, etc, etc. 

Furthermore, there have been studies done on individuals that were homeschooled in the late80s and through the 90s.  They are compared to their counterparts who went to public and private schools at the same time.  What was found was that people that were homeschooled were on average way more succesful in all aspect of their lives work, family, etc than those that went to public and private schools

If it is true what you are saying, how come the facts don't agree with your statement?

This is just common sense.

This is just common sense. I do think parents know better than public schools what skills and values they want their individual children to have, and if core academics can be taught through vetted materials, then fine.

But...

Between the number of households with only one parent, or in which both parents work, or in which the parents aren't skilled at teaching the material, or in which the parents start teaching it and then sort of lose interest...and on and on with potential problems. Your last large paragraph is preaching to the choir, but it's wholly impractical, bordering on delusion, to think you can convert the US to a country of homeschoolers.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

JasonC, 1)  what?  when

JasonC,

1)  what?  when the hell did I ever say I want to convert the USA into a country of homeschoolers?  don't put words into my mouth my friend.  I have my own feelings about homeschooling, I haven't expressed them here, I have only stated facts.  Don't claim that I am bordering on being delusional when you obviously didn't read my posts thoroughly.

2)  Well I am glad that we can agree that parents know better than schools what their own children should be taught.  However, your problems with homeschooling are the same exact problems that are found in the public school system.  How many incompetent teachers do we have today teaching?  WAY too many.  how many teachers teach a subject they know nothing about and who are completly bored with the subject, way too many.   

3)  Just so you know, i am no fan of homeschooling, I am not.  I know the statics, but I will not homeschool my children.  However, I will not send them to a public school either.  They will go to a private school.  However, the statistics about homeschooling stand there.  What I plan to do is complement, what the school teaches.  My wife and I will not use a school as a private babysitter, rather a place that helps us teach our children.  Get it?  I think this is the best of both worlds. 

Sorry if I misread, fut. I

Sorry if I misread, fut. I guess I assumed that since you were claiming public schools are basically a mess, a general shift toward homeschooling was desirable. Do you concur with my list of reasons why it's untenable for so many families, at least?

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

JasonC, 1)  I do believe

JasonC,

1)  I do believe that the public school system is a complete failure.

2)  Just because I believe this, it doesn't mean that I believe homeschooling every kid in America is the answer.

3)  While I agree to a certain extend that the problems you present about homeschooling exist, the same problems and more exist in the public school system. 

Fut, This post is

Fut,

This post is absolutely hilarious considering the amount of generalizations being thrown around in your post at the bottom of the thread.

You consistently generalize about everything.  Re-read your post below and then read this post to Jason and tell me you don't see any hypocrisy.

Thanks for the laugh again.

Leon, How predictable of

Leon,

How predictable of you.  Instead of engaging in the debate, showing your side of the story, you make a feable and pathetic attempt at attacking those you disagree with

grow up.  Try to mature a little bit, ok? 

now say something meaningful that adds to the debate or just move along.  Stop wasting internet space. 

Fut, You should re-read your

Fut,

You should re-read your original post.  Nothing but unfounded generalizations.

Sorry champ.

Leon, Sorry champ?! 

Leon,

Sorry champ?!  talk about an arrogant person.

Leon, please do yourself and your side a favor, grow up. 

If you can't add something meaningful to the debate, shut-up and go away. 

Be nice Bal, Can't you

Be nice Bal,

Can't you see Warner's just trying to change the world one worthless blog post at a time?

Rome wasn't built in a day you know.

Barack

Oh, I thought it's Barack and Hillary who want to "change " the world. Now it's Warner who wants to change the world ---and that's a BAD thing. See what I mean -- "liberals"  want it all their way. Sad.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Leon, Bal and my friend

Leon, Bal and my friend Jason,  I am sorry, but you guys are something else.  I work in academia, more precisely in an admissions office of a top tier medical university. 

Mr. Warner Todd Huston is RIGHT ON.

I have worked in this world of university admissions since 2000 and moved up the ranks and let me tell you that high school education AND college education, private and public, has declined immensely just since 2000. 

how do I know? By comparing the students ACTs, SATs (these two are for high schoolers that want to secure a seat in the medical school in the future), GMATs scores (for people with a BA/BS degree) to their actual grades.  While the standardized tests scores are getting lower and lower, somehow student grades remain the same or go higher.  Care the explain? 

You also see a level of stupidity and irresponsibility that is alarming.  Our school demands that all students divulge their criminal background.  Our State requires that all medical schools have their prospective students finger printed and criminal background check done on them through the State police (Yes, totalitarian State controlled by the Democrats).  DUIs, DWIs, and plenty of other types of misdemeanors increase with each passing year.

Furthermore, you can see it with each class that starts, they are self-absorbed, self-esteemers.  You see it all the time with how some of our students react when they deal with older professors that will not take their BS.  You see it in the classroom, how disrespectful the majority of students are with the tougher professors that will not allow their feelings to get on the way of the grades these students deserve!The feel good professors who always complement their students, who hold students by their hands, but who don’t necessarily teach the tough material, are the professors that are loved, adored and who constantly receive teacher of the year award from the student body.  The professors that challenge the students, who teach the tough material, who do not curb exams, grades, who kick students out of their classroom for blatant disrespect, who give the grades that the students deserve are the ones that the student body hates. 

The scary part is that these are medical students graduating from a top notch medical university.  Oh and don't even get me started with the whole affermative action crap and the quotas that the admissions department HAS to meet, if not there could be big trouble.  How many excellent candidates of ALL races (yes black and latinos included) we have had to deny do to the fact that they were not of the right race at the moment the university had to make sure all racial quotas were being met...but I digressed

yes, the feel good society is upon us and it is devastating our schools, colleges and universities.  This is a very important subject, only stooges that want to hide their head in the sand can't acknowledge this truth.  But why would they, they want to feel good and don't want their self-esteem be hurt, right?  RIGHT!

 

futbolisgreat1

Hear, Hear! Like you, I witnessed it from the inside. But only those with honesty will ever admit the great tragedy of modern "education". You can see it's results as you read some of the posts here. The arrogance of ignorance--those who are blind because it suits them to be and because they have never seen what a real "education" is. Everything you wrote about the system, teachers, and more is true. Sadly, as you point out, it gets worse as the years go by. The "liberal" establishment has prevailed, because it is so easy to be a "liberal". To educate takes hard work, discipline, and repect -- all lost to the mind and attitude of the modern "liberal". We are in deep soup. God help future generations.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Iveseenitall, Right on! 

Iveseenitall,

Right on!  as of right now, the Liberal attitude towards education has won.  it has become so ingraged in our educational system that when it is pointed out, as I do on a daily basis, people don't see it. 

Funny thing is that I work with a great majority of Liberals and they themselves complain about the water down education that so many of our candidates have received.  When I point out and give examples of how it is the fault of Liberla ideology all you get is silence.  They are unwilling to look at their Liberal ideology in the face and recognize how it is destroying the educational system that they hold dear and believe in. 

The scariest thing is when we deny admissions to a student, they call in demanding to know why, or when a student is denied a university based scholarship, same thing.  They all have a sense of entitlement, that these things are owed to them because they were born.  You see this attitude with the younger candidates, not the older ones.  Very sad, very, very sad. 

The arrogance of ignorance.

Right. Those student complaints are an example of the arrogane of ignorance. I have have a friend in medical school admission. Ironically, I just had a conversation with her about how many times she has been yelled at by students. Furthermore, the school actually overlooks student incompentence becasue of race. The incompetents will be our doctors in the future, simply because they are minorities. 

The sense of entitlement exists in all phases of society today. The educational system is one of the worst places to foster it. Yet, in many cases, that's where it begins. The young are great targets for the "liberals". That's one of the things that is so scary about Obama's campaign. "Yes We Can" comes from their mouths, but not from their minds. Sad.

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Iveseenitall, Exactly,

Iveseenitall,

Exactly, this "Yes We Can" slogan by the Obama campaign plays right into the self-esteemers.  Obama doesn't tell you how, when, why or what, all he needs to tell this mindless, self-esteemers is, "Yes We Can". 

and yes, I have seen students yelling at a professor.  It is a sad sign of our times when young people do not respect their elders (and not that I am old, I am a mere 32 years old). 

I have seen students cry, whine, complain, etc when a professor decides to put tough questions in a medical exam, quiz, etc.  I have seen students storm out of classrooms because the teacher told them that their answer to a question was wrong.  Yes, this self-esteemers, who believe they are entitled to everything, are but simple, uneducated spoil brats. 

People, these are the future doctors that will operate on you...these self-esteemers who demand that their exams be watered down so they don't feel bad for failing a class two to three times. 

Difficult

Fotbolisgreat1:

I am many years your senior. I received a Ph.D from a major university years ago. It was difficult. But my colleagues and I understood that those who were teaching us knew of what they spoke. When they said we were wrong, we knew we probably were and accepted it, at least for the moment. Only after further research did we ever come back with a counter argument. They taught us to think. Yet we were always humble about learning. Humility is gone today. And what's most annoying is that student conceit is based on ignorance. It is simply so difficult to tell a young person that they do not know what they are talking about, mainly because of their lack of experience and lack of education. They won't accept it. I agree, it is because they are just young acting like the young. But the system fosters the arrogance , rather than pointing out the ignorance. And therein lies the problem.

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I don't know enough about

I don't know enough about medical schools to legitimately argue with anything you've said here, though I do thoroughly take issue with your comment that "you can see it with each class that starts, they are self-absorbed, self-esteemers." First of all, since when do 18-year-olds not act like they've basically got the world by its tail? Second, I guess I'm just lucky that, in spite of that, the overwhelming majority of students I've had (in admittedly only three years of teaching) have been humble, hardworking, respectful, and intelligent. I totally know what you mean about the student that thinks there is a grade they are entitled to no matter what, but I submit that they are few and far between compared to what you suggest. But again, comparing our respective personal experiences isn't the best basis of debate.

My issue with Warner is threefold, and that is why I have attacked this article, in which, no, he is not spot on about anything.

1. He implies that students deciding to collaboratively create a venue of catharsis in order to deal with a major disappointment is symptomatic of all sorts of major problems about emotionalism, academics being de-emphasized, and so forth, when really it's just teenagers being teenagers. Hell, at least they're not dealing with their disappointment like adults and hitting the bottle. If you want to argue that teenagers doing silly little things to deal with their problems has that much significance, you'd better really argue it. And WTH does not.

2. He implies, and several posters seem to agree, that not getting into a particular school is necessarily tantamount to a personal failure, when anyone remotely familiar with the workings of admissions offices (as you are) knows that there are dozens of little contingencies regarding specific needs of the school in question that the student has no way of planning for.

3. But neither of these things would really rile me up enough to respond if WTH didn't consistently criticize such things with such patronizingly juvenile language and attitude. "itty bitty feewings"? Suggesting that a student who made a minor grammatical slip while talking to a reporter basically deserved to be rejected from his school of choice? It's one thing to make unfounded statements based on flimsy premises, and quite another to resort to sneering cruelty; especially since WTH is on record as claiming that before age 21, everyone is just a child without free speech rights anyway.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

Winner-winner, chicken

Winner-winner, chicken dinner!

Snarc

There's the snark of which we speak. Balboa, you are very immature. How old are you? There are intelligent reponses to what your friend Jason just wrote. But no, you chose snark, not intelligence. I know you do it to elicit another snarky reponse. And sometimes you get the response you are looking for. But people are on to you..

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal'

 

Dang....

I was all set to compliment you on thinking up a new nickname for me, and it's about Balboa instead!
JMR

The tax & spend drug war looks racist in the real world.

Not sure you can classify

Not sure you can classify it as snarky when I'm agreeing with Jason.

There are plenty of responses I have posted that are devoid of snark.

Precisely.

Bal, that response demonstrates precisely the arrogance and conceit of which I speak. You are never wrong, are you? Always have a snarky comeback.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

I didn't even get it.

I didn't even get it. Chicken dinner?

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

winner winner chicken dinner

You never heard the saying "Winner-winner, chicken dinner?" I don't know where it comes from originally, but I was trying to indicate that your post was absolutely correct, IMO.

(Actually, just googled it: "Years ago every casino had a 3 piece
chicken dinner with potato and veggie for $1.79. A standard bet back
then was $2.00, hence when you won a bet you had enough for a chicken
dinner.")

Well, you've put me in a

Well, you've put me in a real position here because I tried to answer your post honestly and earnestly, yet you accuse me of being arrogant and conceited. Don't know how to really answer you anymore.

→ Careful, bal

Leon's liable to jump in on this thread and claim your reference to "chicken dinner" is an endorsement of Fuzzy Zoeller.

♣ a seal

Haha. You know, I'd

Haha. You know, I'd forgotten all about that. Poor Fuzzy. He's a really good guy.

Frank Urban

Frank Urban Zoeller...sacrificed at the altar of political correctness.  Even Tiger's dad said Fuzzy got a raw deal.

Jer

Jason

I agree with point #3. This kind of thing doesn't help anyone's argument. Teachers, in particular, should never do it, yet they do. Good point. Tell Bal.

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JasonC, 1)  You don't

JasonC,

1)  You don't usually get accepted into medical school at 18.  Most of the prospective students I deal with are 22 and above.  Very few, usually geniuses, get accepted or are able to apply to medical school at 18.  Some medical schools use the "apply to our undergraduate, get accepted and we will save a seat for you after you graduate in our medical school."  So, we are not talking about babies, here. 

2)  That is also the problem with our society today.  We accept at face value that being 18 means being an idiot, self-absorbed, immature moron.  Maybe, just maybe if we demanded and expected more from our teenagers, our teenagers would be such immature, moronic fools, right?  Teenagers, being teenagers?  this excuse is used way too frequently by our society to excuse, pathetic, moronic, infintile, dangerous, stupid behavior.

3)  As for not dealing with their disappointments as some adults do by hitting the bottle...wow!  now that is the understatement of the year!!!  Do you know the level of teenage drunkness in America?  Obviously you don't, if you did, you would not have made this statement. 

4)  As for WTH snarky remarks, wow...don't be so sensitive my friend.  Don't be such a cherry pie.  That's the problem with America today, we get offended so easily at the slightest remarks that we don't like. 

5)  I happen to agree with WTH, anyone that is 21 should not be able to vote, drink, be in the military, etc, etc.  Our society babies these individuals way too much, they are NOT ready for the real world. 

6)  As for a spelling mistake causing a person not to be accepted to their school of choice....Sorry to disapoint you JasonC, I have seen quite a few rejection letters go out because the student didn't use proper grammar and spelling.  WTH is right on here.  Regardless of grades, letters of recomendation, etc, etc.  If you screw up your grammar and spelling on an admissions letter, you are doomed!  FACT! 

7) As for pratonizing and juvinile language...I think it only bothers you because you disagree with WTH.  I haven't seen you go after Balboa, Syrius, or Leon when they use juvinile and pratonizing language against Conservatives.  In fact, I believe that WTH is just taking a page from the Liberal play book.  I hope you criticize Liberals that act like WTH, but seeing how you haven't once criticize Syrius, Leon or Balboa, I very much doubt it. 

8)  WTH is right in saying that not getting into your prefered university/college is a personal failure.  IT IS!!  JasonC, you have fallen deep into the, Feel Good society!  Of course it is a personal failure.  It doesn't mean that you won't get up and try harder the next time, but it is a huge, huge personal failure.  I see this all the time JasonC.  But personal failure doesn't mean the end of the world. 

 

 

fotbolisgret1:

Wonderful points, fotobolisgreat1. I especially like your point about failure.The "liberals" have pushed so many wrong premises on society. One is that failure is the worst thing that can befall someone, especially the young. We have lost the idea that something we do just may not be good enough and that we should go back and do it 'till it is right. This has so many ramifications. One is grade inflation in the schools. Many "teachers" accept pure garbage simply because they do not want to harm a kid's psyche. Instead of holding to standards, schools have lowered them. I've witnessed teachers being told to raise the grades by administrators, no matter how poorly the students have performed. And this is just one of hundreds of ways the "liberals" have ruined education in America.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

 

Ivseenitall, Thank

Ivseenitall,

Thank you...and yes, you are correct, personal failure doen't mean it is time to take the gun and pull the trigger and splatter your brains all over the floor.

However, this is the problem with the Liberal mentality.  They want to feel good, they want to avoide feeling bad, even if it is just for a few minutes or days.  So they rather feel good by lowering standards.  So, when most Liberals are faced with huge, tragic, personal failures, like not getting into the undergraduate or graduate institutioin of yoru dreams that you have worked hard all your life for, they usually end up depressed, on prozack, etc, etc.  A few of them take their lives, literally.  There is a reason why suicide rates are up.  The feell good at the moment society we live in. 

 

Personal failure is a reality in the world, it is the truth of this world.  It doesn't mean that it is the end all to everything.  It just means that you try harder and move on. 

The problem is that if a person believes that they have never failed, how can they become better individuals?  improve on their skills. 

But it is the feel good society that we live in that has lowered the standards in our schools, why?  So the "poor" student doesn't feel for a few moments that he has failed.  C'mon, we all need to stop being such great cherry pies.  I mean, in no way shape or form do I believe that we should all gang up on someone and put them down constantly, like I don't believe in the tearing down, scold, insult type of management, but geez, we all need to grow some thicker skin and accept constructive criticism.  Many times being denied to your school of choice is constructive criticism.  But since most of our children today are not given constructive criticism while growing up, they do not know how to deal with it when facing it in real life.

 

I don't understand how good individuals like JasonC can be completly blind to this fact. 

Well, I disagree with just

Well, I disagree with just about everything you say, except #1, as I forgot you weren't talking about undergrads. If you think this is a perfectly reasonable piece of writing, I suppose I'm not going to convince you otherwise. I can't put it any plainer than I have all over this board. Agree to disagree, I guess.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

JasonC, well I am glad

JasonC,

well I am glad that we can agree to disagree....

I just want you to keep some things in mind though.

1)  Failure is good, not bad.  Failure can either improve you, or destroy you.  Depends how you deal with it.

2)  I have worked in the world of university admissions for almost a decade now.  Yes, mispelllings and grammar errors will destroy an otherwise very strong candidate.  My friend, this is life, this is reality.  Funny thing is, that it is usually, (in my experience) the so called compassionate Liberals in academia that are more than willing to deny these candidates.

3)  You can and will probably be denied admissions to a university/college because you don't fit into the racial quota that an admissions department has to meet at the point in the universities life.  I have seen this happen countless times.  From incredibly well qualified, MUCH better qualified Latinoss and Blacks being denied admission because the universisty needed more Caucasian applicants to the oppossite.  Incredible much better qualified Caucasians being denied admission because at that point the university needed ot meet Latino and Black racial quotas.  This is a reality created by Liberal ideology, correct? 

hmmm....liberals should demand the end of Affermative Action because oops, ssomeone is not going to feel good becausse Affermative Action caused them to be denied admission. 

4)  You are a teacher, I know that you must know that we must raise our standards, that we must raise the bar of what we demand from our teenagers, we have to.  Our teenagers today are a mess...God help the world in the future.  I am not an old fart, I am 32 years old and I can see a huge difference between my Generataion, Generation X and the coming generations. 

I hope you truly don't excuse teenage, risky, dangerous, moronic, pathetic, foolish, etc behavior by saying....well, they are teenagers being teenagers. 

Teenage behavior is getting worst and worst, not better, when will we stop excusing them by saying, they are just don't know anything teenagers.  Honestly.

 

but you are right, we won't convince each other.

 

Fut, just a few quick

Fut, just a few quick things:

1. Yes, fine, but not being accepted to your first choice of schools simply does not always reflect on the candidate. You could have what you honestly believe to be a perfect application and it could be rejected for reasons that are purely out of your hands. You know this. And unfortunately, those large application fees do not guarantee any sort of feedback, beyond a vaguely-worded form letter, as to what was lacking in your application. How is one to grow and ameliorate from that experience?

2. Oh yes, in academia impeccable grammar should always be demanded. But the incident in question here was a kid who misspoke in front of a reporter. Think of how many grammatical blunders we let slip when we speak, as opposed to when we write; then compound that with the fact that he was probably nervous speaking with a reporter. His words came out awkwardly, that's all.

3. I agree that this presents problems.

4. But I'm not excusing "risky, dangerous, moronic, pathetic, foolish, etc behavior"; I'm saying that collectively displaying their rejection notices is a perfectly harmless little gesture, albeit definitely the sort of thing that 18-year-olds would cook up and regard as rebelliously cathartic.

Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva

Warner!

I'm not going to be commenting on the main topic because I don't have much interest in this topic. I admit I actually see your POV.

I take issue with your first post. Cue the three stooges of stalking? If people disagree with your POV, you think they are stalkers?

I am trying my best not to be snarky and use any cheap shots, so I will phrase this as polite as possible.

As a contributing writer to NB, I feel you should hold yourself to a higher standard. You are the ones that are setting examples of behavior for the rest of the board. If posters disagree with you POV, there might be a better way than to call them stalkers right?

IMO it is also pretty petty to chide them on spelling mistakes or call them a retard.

Shawn

I will not support either side here other than stated the truth: a few posters here do not like Warner. It is evident in their quick to respond snarky way. Usually not adding any value to the topic (hmm sounds like trolling).

Go back and look for yourself at the last months posts by Warner and see if this is not true.

Let's debate the issue not the issuer...

v

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will