I guess we shouldn't expect any sense of decorum from Kossacks, but it is pretty lame that they had to unleash their hatred only minutes after the announcement of the passing of famed American actor Charlton Heston. A Daily Kos "diarist" named doriangz started out calling Heston a "gun-nut" and ending with his life and causes being considered "political nutdouchebaggery," and the incivility just flowed like the opening of a damn from Kos posters' keyboards after that. Not much respect for a man who's film career spanned many decades, who marched with Martin Luther King, Jr., and fought to uphold our Constitution.
One poster said that Heston tore into the "victims of Columbine," one Marcus Tullius said he laughed when Jerry Falwell died and that Heston's death made the world a better place. And Fairy Tale echoed that with a post that said, "Things are already getting better in America" now that Heston was dead. RandySF said that he was sorry but that he "can't think of anything nice" to say about Heston. Aqualad08 seemed to think that if there were "no guns in heaven" that would make it "hell" for Heston.
And they were just getting warmed up.
Then, we always have to have the "he's a crappy actor" types like poster jazzmaniac and the ones that have no respect, like ohcanada who said, "As we sow.. I didn't respect him in life..and I won't in death." Then FischFry jumped in to say that he assumed that mention of the Heston film "A Touch of Evil" was really a description of Heston himself.
And, predictably, there is the foul mouthed type that we have all come to associate so specifically with uncivil leftists, too. PerfectStormer posted a loving "So long, motherf***er" when he heard the news of Heston's death.
But remember, these are the same sort of people who claim that it is they that are the more "compassionate," more "caring,", and more "civilized" in our society. Well, if the compassion they displayed for Charlton Heston is any indication, we are in more trouble than we thought... either that or the left has no real compassion at all.
I favor the later, don't you?
Still, there were several posters that were chagrined by the hate and uncivil postings by their fellow lefties. So, at least some of the Kos posters were sorry to hear of Heston's passing and upset at the ignorance of the other posters.
But, all the vitriol is sadly to be expected from the more "loving" left, unfortunately. I can only imagine how the media will treat him over the next few days. Who can doubt that their compassion will quickly fade to be replaced by sniping and attacks of this iconic and quintessentially American personality?
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Well to be fair Warner
April 6, 2008 - 02:30 ET by BlazerWell to be fair Warner there is a more respectful diary here, far be it from me to defend the Krazy Kos Kid's, but not all of them are drinking the cool-aide over this one.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/6/02832/57771/230/490983
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Well... I DID say SOME of
April 6, 2008 - 02:37 ET by Warner Todd HustonWell... I DID say SOME of them on the diary I wrote about were as incensed as I that posters were being so ignorant. I didn't say anything like all of them were being jerks, after all!
Still, are you saying that the post I am focusing on should just be ignored, that what was said there is no big deal?
No that's not what I'm
April 6, 2008 - 02:56 ET by BlazerNo that's not what I'm saying at all Warner, I brought it up myself in the open thread, me, Jer, and Shawn have been discussing it for awhile now. I just think if your going to point out the more insidious diary, you should also point out the respectful one.
Slap em' around when they need it, but also pat em' on the back when they get it right.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I guess it isn't surprising
April 6, 2008 - 12:38 ET by Warner Todd HustonI guess it isn't surprising that so many extreme leftist visitors here are wanting to excuse away all the hateful comments made daily on Kos and their other favorite sites. It's pretty transparent, though. But, I have to say, that is why the so-called "progressives" win battles so often in our political arena. There is no shame, no sense that anything they've ever done could be wrong-- and it's because the ends justify the means.
Warner...Who are these "extreme leftist
April 6, 2008 - 12:56 ET by JerWarner...Who are these "extreme leftist visitors" and how have they "excuse(d) away all the hateful comments made daily on Kos..."?
Jer
There you go Warner, using
April 6, 2008 - 12:58 ET by BlazerThere you go Warner, using leftist tactic's by branding me an "extreme leftist" because I didn't wholeheartedly agree with you. I'm sure many on here will find your branding me an "extreme leftist" or a "leftist" at all extremely laughable. I didn't disagree with you, I just said you should be a tad bit more objectionable. Two third's of the comment's over at Kos were tasteful and I'm sorry you got your panties in a wad because I pointed that out.
Maybe you will learn to deflate that blimp of an ego you have and quit pointing out to everyone on a daily basis why your the least talented and objectionable of all the writer's here at NB.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Um, did I say "Blazer" was
April 6, 2008 - 13:36 ET by Warner Todd HustonUm, did I say "Blazer" was an extreme leftist?
Gee, I've re-read that several times and can't seem to find a "Blazer" in there.
So, to repeat, Warner...to
April 6, 2008 - 14:02 ET by JerSo, to repeat, Warner...to whom were you referring?
Jer
You didn't have to
April 6, 2008 - 14:28 ET by BlazerYou didn't have to Warner, since there are no left-wing apologist's on this thread or any other pertaining to Heston and the comment's posted over at Kos, at the time I didn't take it as coincidence you decided to put your "left-wing extremist" comment directly below mine. If it is knee-jerk on my behalf I apologise and will change my post.
At any rate I would like to add that me, Jer and Shawn had a discussion on the open thread from yesterday where I came out and lambasted the kossack's for thier comment's pretty early on ,and after they pointed out that probably two-third's or better of the post's were respectful I went over and found them to be right. There were plenty of them over there that found a few of thier fellow kossack's tastless comment's pretty offensive and let them know about it, plus there were a few tastful thread's that went up after the initial one that weren't snarky and celebrated the man and his work.
Now if were gonna judge the many by the few, how is it any different when some on our side do the exact same thing when member's of the left pass on, should that reflect poorly on every single one of us?
Like I said if were gonna slap em' around we need to pat em' on the back when they deserve it also
I'm not defending the vile one's, I have had my share of battles with the left and been banned at Kos, DU, Huffpo and countless other "leftwing" sites and find it rather refreshing to be called a "left-wing extremist" along with "nazi" and "racist", so thank's. : )
Here's a decent one one:
http://www.dailykos....
....and another:
http://www.dailykos....
To add insult to injury though Warner in a less respectful one they give the hattip to stop the ACLU and dont' even give you credit:
http://www.dailykos....
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
I apologize if I was
April 6, 2008 - 14:31 ET by Warner Todd HustonI apologize if I was unclear, but I was not calling you a leftist.
Apology accepted, and
April 6, 2008 - 14:45 ET by BlazerApology accepted, and returned Warner. Unfortunately the edit function is not appearing at the moment in the thread so I cant' change my post's. I'm not a big fan of infighting, so I would rather they just disappear. I apologise for calling you "least talented", now the ego thing, that's another issue. : )
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
No need to expunge anything.
April 6, 2008 - 15:29 ET by Warner Todd HustonNo need to expunge anything. I'm for transparency, myself. If it was here it should stay. As to the "least talented" crack, well, you are entitled to your opinion on my talent or lack thereof, certainly. I am satisfied that I do the best I can and that I do so with integrity. That is all I need. If enough feel what I have to say is interesting, then I succeed. If no one cares a whit, well then I do a lot of huffin' and puffin' for naught. I say let history judge my efforts.
As to the ego, well, hellsbells man. Who the heck would write as much as I do, filled with surety of opinion, AND slap my ACTUAL name on it if there weren't any ego involved!!??
Like every writer I have an ego as big as all outdoors.
You know what they say, accepting it is the first step toward recovery! Ha, ha.
Warner I apologise again for
April 6, 2008 - 15:45 ET by BlazerWarner I apologise again for the remark and would like to add that what you guy's do takes talent and dedication. Mr. Bozell and you guy's and gal's at the MRC and NB perform a great service for us all, that's why NB is my favorite site above all.
I would like to add for what it's worth, that during the Colorado church shooting's the kossack's were not as kind to evangelical Christian's and I found the majority of the comment's over there then disgusting and offensive and I was the first to point it out, I just think they got it mostly right this time.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
blazer
April 6, 2008 - 17:51 ET by shawn228I guess Warner clarified that he was not calling you a leftist. Jer asked him twice who the extreme leftist are and the sound of crickets is deafening.
Warner says he does not have to answer questions because he is too important because he post for different sites and is too busy of a person.
Glad he made it clear that you are not a leftist, I wonder if he will grace us with an answer. Or he will make fun of my spelling or call me a retard.
I understand your
April 6, 2008 - 17:59 ET by BlazerI understand your sentiment's Shawn and agree, with that said me and WTH have exchanged apologies and I'm just gonna' bury that hatchet on this one. But as I'm sure you will agree, I'm anything but a leftwing, or a rightwing extremist for that matter..........sometimes. ; )
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Blazer
April 6, 2008 - 18:14 ET by shawn228No problem Blazer, and I am glad you have no beef with WTH. I think I have proved myself of being a person not wanting to start an argument for just the sake of provoking somebody.
WTH consistently writes articles that are very clearly bias and when you ask him a difficult question he usually does not answer or it is done with biting sarcasm.
The only reason he bothered to reply to me in this thread is because I cut him down in front of Noel. He decided to respond with a very classy chiding of my spellling. I very much agree with your original statement about talent for NB writers.
Just so I clarify my
April 6, 2008 - 18:30 ET by BlazerJust so I clarify my stance Shawn, I choose to come here and relish the time spent because I clearly recognise an overwhelming liberal bias in the media. I am a conservative, although I would most likely not pass the litmus test of a neo-con. With that said, I do not however think an opposite conservative bias play's in any ones best interest, although WTH may beg to differ. A biased leaning and un-objectionable party slant in any direction serves to undermine everyones liberty, liberal or conserv.
We must strive and demand a healthy un-objectionable press to for the preservation of our liberty, a healthy balance imho. There be zealot's on both sides.
"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
Shawn
April 6, 2008 - 18:13 ET by botgwho do you think the extreme leftists are?
"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house." Groucho
Sorry Bruce
April 6, 2008 - 18:15 ET by shawn228I'm not taking the bait today.
so Shawn
April 6, 2008 - 18:19 ET by botgyou agree with WTH that it's not about individuals but rather types?
"Television is where you watch people in your living room that you would not want near your house." Groucho
Shawn, you know that answer!
April 6, 2008 - 18:25 ET by balboaShawn, you know that answer! It's you, me, Jer, JasonC! We're craaaaaaazy!
bal
April 6, 2008 - 18:30 ET by botgare you giving me a new tag line?
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
That would be perfect to
April 6, 2008 - 19:33 ET by bretzysdudeThat would be perfect to close out your every comment.
lol Bal
April 6, 2008 - 18:33 ET by shawn228Well I sure proved people wrong when they finally admitted Mr Snufleupagus is real.
Ha, ha
April 6, 2008 - 19:25 ET by Warner Todd HustonProve that claim.
I'm glad I ain't in this
April 6, 2008 - 19:44 ET by bigtimerI'm glad I ain't in this mess....but I am sure laughing my rear off at...
....Prove that claim.
Slow Sunday's can be fun.
"Never murder your opponent when he is committing suicide." ~ W. Churchill
Lol Warner
April 6, 2008 - 22:05 ET by shawn228First you still refuse to answer the question about who the extreme leftist are.
Here is a sniplet from your More Tolerent left squanders free speech thread.
"First of all, I see no reason to allow YOU to set my schedules. If I decide to let it "take two days" then too bad for you.
But, truthfully, I haven't the time usually to keep up too closely
on these replies. Once a thread starts to get over 70 replies, it is
just too much for me to stay up on. I just don't have enough time in a
day to do it. I do two podcasts, write for about 12 different sites,
manage three sites, and also keep up on TV, Radio, and print news to do
what I do."
I mean you contradict yourself all the time, you write articles about how the msm twist language, but you do ityourself quite frequently
Take the example that quote I highlighted from you. The left did not supress free speech, it was the students that protested. Or your article on Amazon publisher of racist bilg. I suppose technically it is true, but again you are distorting facts. They are only republishing what an original author wrote. You make it sound like it is only hateful books, when most it will be used for important literature.
All the other contributing writers that I mainly deal with, Noel, Matt, Gary and Tom. They all seem to find time to anwer questions, when they are asked to clarify something and most of their replies are not snarky either. Maybe they just aren't as busy as you.
Again...
April 6, 2008 - 22:34 ET by Warner Todd HustonAgain...
I ask you to prove your claim that I ever said that I was "too important" to answer questions.
You seem to be the arbiter of who "twists language" and who does not. In light of your expertise, I ask you to prove your direct claim that I said I am "too important to answer questions."
Further, you seem to assume that "answering questions" is some sort of bellweather of a man. If that be the case, perhaps we might ask of you to live up to your own seemingly closely held principles?
So, perhaps we might all be enlightened by the exact quote you seem to have stored away, where I said that "I am too important" to answer your questions?
Thanks and looking forward to your reply.
Again
April 6, 2008 - 22:47 ET by shawn228Who are the extreme leftist?
You did not say you were too important, but at the same time you did not copy the whole sentence.
"Warner says he does not have to answer questions because he is too
important because he post for different sites and is too busy of a
person."
If you decide to nitpick about this tiny detail. I will retract the "too important comment" I will replace it with too busy to bother with it.
Now kindly tell us who the extreme leftist are, unless you have to do work on your other blogs.
Oooo! Can I answer that one
April 6, 2008 - 22:51 ET by balboaOooo! Can I answer that one too?
Thanks for the clarification...
April 6, 2008 - 23:00 ET by Warner Todd HustonI see. So, now you are saying I did not say what you said that I did say only a few posts ago?
Interesting.
Thanks for answering the question. I appreciate that the status of your honor and veracity is now perfectly clarified.
Please do enjoy your weekend.
Shawn,
April 6, 2008 - 23:31 ET by Warner Todd HustonShawn,
As an adjunct, I will begrudgingly admit one thing, though. I am often too "snarky" for my own good.
WTH
April 6, 2008 - 23:41 ET by shawn228"As an adjunct, I will begrudgingly admit one thing, though. I am often too "snarky" for my own good."
Aren't we all Warner? :-) I don't have the luxury of being snarky most of the time because I will be called the T word.
I guess you just bring out the best in me ;-)
warner
April 6, 2008 - 23:36 ET by shawn228I answered your question, but It looks like you will not answer mine about who the extreme leftist are. I understand It might make you look foolish since you probably cannot back it up and afraid to answer.
I hope you have a good rest of your weekend as well. Good night.
To WTH, anyone who disagrees
April 6, 2008 - 23:05 ET by balboaTo WTH, anyone who disagrees with him is an extreme lefty.
drain the swamp, the scum dies....
April 6, 2008 - 03:00 ET by spiderdanIt may be true some of the morons contributing to the Koz cause expressed dismay at the legions of pond scum taking time villify Mr. Heston at the time of his passing, but it is hardly a consolation for those recognizing the legitmacy of Mr. Heston's career and contributions to Americans (the world, in fact).
The fact Koz and his flock of idiots haven't moderated that site in order to immediately delete those posts, suspend or ban the posters, etc., is all the proof I need that sort of vitriol is not only encouraged, but promoted.
Gutless, feckless simpletons -- the entire lot of Koz contributors.
Blazer, I did not find any
April 6, 2008 - 13:48 ET by bassndudeBlazer, I did not find any mention of the fact that Mr. Heston campainged for Adlai Stevenson, and John F Kennedy in that blog. Nor much in the line of praise. There was a measure of respect given, but I think there was little thought given to the writing. Mr. Heston accompanied Mr. King, in 1963. In 1961, when he had heard that one of the theaters that was showing one of his movies was segerated, he traveled to Oklahoma City, and joined the prostesters out side the theater. Black protesters. Where were these Kos Kids when the Black American needed them? Where was the Democrat party then? If you want to know, ask Robert Byrd.
Mr. Heston did not change his political party untill after Carters election, from Democrat to Republican.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Warner, there were also
April 6, 2008 - 02:47 ET by JerWarner, there were also many on DKos who condemned the tasteless comments, and mourned Heston's passing.
Look, I can't understand how anyone would use the occasion of Charlton Heston's death to make disparaging remarks about him.
Of course, I also can't understand how an endless stream of Kennedy haters could make sick jokes about John Kennedy Jr. at the time of his tragic death in a plane crash a decade ago.
I suppose there are insensitive jerks of all political persuasions.
Jer
Don't Forget Tony Snow
April 6, 2008 - 08:51 ET by Del DolemonteSome of the Kos Kids comments after Tony Snow's announcement of his cancer were disgusting.
"If only people who deserved cancer got cancer Rove would've never survived his twenties. "
"One: What if this is a pure fake?
Two: What if the man was in some way poisoned by someone in the Regime, in a manner analogous to the way Putin has apparently poisoned some people who opposed him or "knew too much"..?"
"The third thing I thought as I watched on CNN this morning, was just that. How far would Snow go in cahoots with Rove to falsify his condition in order to help create an additional smoke screen to the Iran attack buildup that is taking place in the Gulf. Is he that much of a loyalist hack? "
"no one deserves it but it doesnt relieve you from your dastardly deed"
"Cancer is not a get out of jail free or get absolution card........"
"I simply can not feel any sympathy for Snow. Tony is a mouthpiece and apologist for a President who has spread a cancer in America. It is not outside the realm of possibility that Bush's cancer will overspread our beloved country. I have no positive feelings toward a man (Snow) who aids and abets the most evil man (Bush) ever to hold the Presidency of our nation."
"not only has the President 'spread a cancer in America' in a metaphysical way - he has cut funding for cancer research for the past five years (well, maybe there was a tiny increase some years but they did not meet inflation and the number of research projects has been going down).
There has got to be some poetic justice in here somewheres . . . ."
"I've had cancer, it sucks. So what? It's part of life and Tony Snow doesn't get a pass from me.
Would we all be saying the same positive thoughts if deadeye Dick had a heart attack and was in ICU. No. I'd be wishing for a long, lingering painful death. Then I'd want to piss on his grave."
"Now get ready for Fox's "report" that Dailykos and the other liberal blogs are all "eager" to report "gleefully" the news of Snow's illness and "couldn't wait to predict his demise". And Limbaugh and the wingnut sites will happily echo that...
Does anybody think they will take even a minute off from spreading manure over the airwaves, even as one of their own is staring into the abyss?"
"bad things happen to evil men, I see it as retribution"
"Tony Snow is a piece of sh*t and I have little sympathy for the man. He is not the first person to have cancer nor the last. Many great men and women have died from cancer, and if that is his fate, he won't be on the list. "
"One of my best friends took time off from Umass-Amherst to serve in Iraq and died there because of scumbags like Bush and Tony Snow. I shed no tears for evil men, I shed tears for those who have died at the hands of evil men"
Funny thing-I did a Google search for JFK Junior airplane crash jokes" and only found a single website with such stuff, and it didn't even ID itself as "conservative". And let's not forget that many on the left blamed Junior's plane crash on the government. One theory claimed that Al Gore did it to prevent Jr. from running for President in 2000, another claimed that Mossad shot his plane down. One nut even claimed Hillary whacked him because she was afraid that he would run for the Senate seat from NY she was coveting.
In fact, Junior Kennedy caused his own death, as he flew into conditions that he was not qualified to fly in. He was not rated for instrument flying, and wasn't qualified to fly at night.
You just gotta love those
April 6, 2008 - 09:36 ET by motherbeltYou just gotta love those sensitive liberals....It's conservatives who spew hate, right? Hate speech, like saying marriage should be for one man and one woman....
Wishing someone a painful, lingering death and then pi**ing on his grave is just speaking truth about what he deserves....
I hope it really galls those libs that, out of all his movie roles, the one he will be most remembered for is "The Ten Commandments."
God rest his soul.
Del... Kim "The Great
April 6, 2008 - 10:42 ET by JerDel... Kim "The Great American" Peterson show in Atlanta: Conservative talk show host--callers overwhelmingly conservative. On the day of the memorial service for John, Jr., there were numerous calls containing tasteful comments such as "I thought the Kennedys only killed their women one at at time." The service [at sea] is "catch and release". "John-John didn't bother to shower before he left figuring he would 'wash up' on shore."
It went on for three hours...a regular laugh riot.
Jer
I never heard of this
April 6, 2008 - 12:57 ET by NewsbusterbrownI never heard of this lunatic before, Jer, but he certainly doesn't speak for me.
According to Wikipedia, he's off the air. Good.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
Newsbusterbrown...Let me
April 6, 2008 - 19:28 ET by JerNewsbusterbrown...Let me add a little to the perspective on Kim Peterson. True, he was a highly partisan conservative who engaged in a good deal of--what I believe must be construed as--"hateful" banter targeting liberals and Democrats with his callers. The JFK, Jr. incident is just one example.
On the other hand, Peterson--an ex-Marine--was very supportive of our military and donated much of his time hosting many benefits and charitable events aiding members of our armed forces. He deserves a great deal of credit for those efforts.
Jer
Wow, I'm Impressed
April 6, 2008 - 14:09 ET by Del DolemonteA guy with a show on one radio station in one metro area, not a nationally syndicated program?
Any more examples?
Del...This may come as a
April 6, 2008 - 20:41 ET by JerDel...This may come as a shock, but I really don't come here to impress you. Based on past history, I think I could make an assertion as simple and self-evident as "the sky is blue", and you would suddenly pop up demanding "objective, multi-sourced links" in support of my "claim". And after I complied, you would then fade away without comment.
Kim Peterson, the "guy with a show on one radio station in one metro area", hosted a three--sometimes four--hour show in prime "drive" time in a metro area market of well over a million potential listeners. Furthermore, the JFK, Jr. incident to which I referred involved numerous callers making tasteless comments over the course of several hours. Your "one radio station" observation would be analogous to my contending that Daily Kos is just one web site.
Peterson's show became available on the web, and was streamed to military facilities around the world. However, my guess is that Kennedy's death preceded internet accessibility. It probably predated most of the political web sites which now exist. Otherwise, I strongly suspect Peterson's callers would have been posting their crude jokes on one or more of those sites.
A couple of points...
--Please note my above response to Newsbusterbrown regarding recognition of Peterson's pro-military efforts.
--Additionally, I must make a positive statement about FreeRepublic. Somebody mentioned on Daily Kos that there were many critical remarks from Freepers about Ann Richardson at the time of her death. I checked it out and discovered just the opposite--at least with respect to the first humdred or so comments. Maybe there had been redactions--I really don't know--but there was not a single negative word among all the ones I viewed. They were unanimously thoughtful and sympathetic. [I did run across a replication of a FreeRepublic thread which contained some rather tasteless comments about John and Elizabeth Edwards right after the disclosure of her cancer. However, I have not seen the original thread. There are also--reportedly--some pretty nasty things that were said about Paul Wellstone at the time of his death. I haven't had the opportunity yet to verify or debunk that claim.] I have been gone most of the afternoon and evening.
Jer
Saul Alinsky 101, And No More Examples
April 7, 2008 - 00:43 ET by Del DolemonteLOL!
Once again class, we have a response from a Leftist right out of the Saul Alinsky textbook. Insult the intelligence of who you are responding to immediately, before you follow with a more intelligent conversation. Since you cannot credibly respond to what they say to begin with, calling them stupid is the next best thing.
Saul Alinsky RULE 5: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions"
Here's a really stupid person, Jer. Spin what he said.
"In receiving a special filmmaking achievement award from the National Board of Reviews, actor George Clooney joked that “Charlton Heston announced again today that he is suffering from Alzheimer’s.”
Clooney still had a chance to apologize for the bad humor day. When questioned about the remark by New York Newsday, Clooney sputtered: “I don’t care. Charlton Heston is the head of the National Rifle Association. He deserves whatever anyone says about him.”
Relax, Del...Nobody
April 7, 2008 - 01:26 ET by JerRelax, Del...Nobody insulted your intelligence or called you stupid. Nor is it necessary to type almost your entire post in bold print. I think we're all capable of reading regular text.
Clooney's ill-mannered remarks are old news, have been hashed and rehashed at this site, and would never be defended by me. During my ten months here, I have on several occasions condemned behavior such as Clooney's, and have even posted my objections to personal smears on liberal websites. You can rummage through the conservative websites as easily as I...it won't be too difficult to find plenty of rude, offensive, and hateful comments. As I've said, both sides are guilty.
If you would like to engage in civil exchanges, I would be more than happy to do so. It just seems to me that your interactions with me are limited to nothing beyond a demand for sources; or, as on another occasion, after my making a passing remark about my long-held interest in military weaponry, your insistence on knowing my "background". [After taking the time to provide a comprehensive summary, you didn't even give me the courtesy of a response.] Consequently, I've become a little put-off by your hit and run demands.
However, I'm certainly willing to iron out our differences if you are.
Jer
You have to hand it to the left.
April 6, 2008 - 03:00 ET by landsharkWhat's really astounding is that they don't even see the intellectual disconnect between how they perceive themselves - tolerant, caring, etc. - and how they behave at a time like this. How sick do you have to be to celebrate the death of someone merely because he held an opposing viewpoint on a constitutional issue?
They're so invested in their ideology that everything must be turned into a political statement. It's actually kind of sad.
Liberalism is a disease of the mind
April 6, 2008 - 03:13 ET by 10ksnookerThat is why they don't see any problem with their actions.
It's actually sick, a sick mind.
LIBS...
April 6, 2008 - 07:01 ET by danybhoyI disagree, these ain't liberals, these are PROGRESSIVES, & they are worse then libs. These people will destroy America in the name of the world community, gun control is 1 issue they promote, & that's 1 reason they despise Heston.
"Some of us are wise, some of us are otherwise" Mark Levin
This is really just too sad
April 6, 2008 - 03:23 ET by MindwerkzThis is really just too sad for words. He was a great and proud man who will be missed and remembered. I pity those who cant see that.
I just goes to show you
April 6, 2008 - 04:28 ET by BritcomI just goes to show you that the courseness and inhumanitity of the left knows no limits. All forms of vileness are acceptable to them and every patriot is an enemy to them.
R.I.P. Charlton Heston.
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Q. Is Panamanian born John McCain a "Natural Born Citizen"
Charlton Heston will be
April 6, 2008 - 12:48 ET by NewsbusterbrownCharlton Heston will be remembered long after these cretins die themselves.
First movie that I remember watching him was "Skyjack" at a drive-in with my family during the early Seventies when I was around seven. While not his best picture, he was still good in it and I thought he had one of the greatest names for an actor ever. No one oozed more authority on screen then Chuck Heston did, either.
Later on, I got a chance to see "Planet of the Apes," "The Ten Commandments," "Ben-Hur," "The Greatest Show on Earth," "The Passion and the Ecstasy," and countless others (including "Will Penny," which I believe showcased his best acting).
One of my favorite actors and one I have always enjoyed imitating (respectively), his service to conservatism and his country only added to my respect for him. He will be missed.
“There are no easy answers' but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964 Republican Convention)
NY Times
April 6, 2008 - 07:28 ET by planetrepublicanOn the other hand the NY Times had a rather favorable article on his death today.
My Fondest Memory of Chuck Heston
April 6, 2008 - 08:04 ET by ricklailMy fondest memory of Chuck Heston will be him holding up the rifle at the NRA Convention and saying "From my cold dead hand." Great actor, great American. RIP Chuck
If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes.-Lewis Grizzard
Evil
April 6, 2008 - 08:48 ET by totalkaosdaveTotalKaosDave
To paraphrase Dennis Prager, conservatives are the only evil the liberals recognize because we disagree with them.
Let's see if the wussies can pry it loose.
April 6, 2008 - 08:50 ET by CrashThanks for standing up for our rights Sir.
To think that Mr. Heston owned guns for years and never went on a crime spree.
"Take ya stinking paws
April 6, 2008 - 08:52 ET by Jack BauerGod bless Charlton Heston. Devoted husband, father, and patriot.
A GREAT AMERICAN
April 6, 2008 - 09:07 ET by Der AlteCharlton Heston was a Great American whom we all could be proud of and his detractors are not worthy enough to shine his shoes.
May he rest in Peace!
oooooh call me a gun nut i love being a gun nut
April 6, 2008 - 09:33 ET by lunaticcringeradiofunny thing though, if owning a gun makes an individual a reckless nut, then how come the anti gun nuts are so eager to taunt and tease someone who is suppose to be so dangerous? i mean wouldn't it be as stooopid as running in front of a hungery polar bear wearing a fish suit. come on i thought all of us gun toting crazies are just waiting for anyone to piss us off so we can shoot them. that's the way the anti gun nuts portray us.
lunaticcringeradio
"seal suit". Polar
April 6, 2008 - 09:55 ET by NL207"seal suit". Polar bears prefer to prey upon seals, walrus, etc. Fish don't contain blubber, which is a big deal to Polar Bears. Hmmmmmm.... Al Gore would do well to stay away from hungry polar bears.
"Their primary prey are ringed seals (Pusa hispida). They also hunt bearded seals (Erignathus barbatus), harp seals (Pagophilus groenlandicus), hooded seals (Cystophora cristata), walruses (Odobenus rosmarus), sea birds and their eggs, small mammals, fish and scavenge on carrion of seals, walruses, or whales."
obviously missing the point
April 6, 2008 - 10:18 ET by lunaticcringeradiothe point of the fish suit was exaggerated humor and to paint a mental picture of some idiot wearing a fish suit and walking in front of a polar bear, it was not to be taken as a serious debate topic.
lunaticcringeradio
Do you not see any humor in
April 6, 2008 - 11:16 ET by NL207Do you not see any humor in my post? Was it to be taken 100% literally? Obviously mentally challenged!
Someone buy Al Gore a Free Trip
April 6, 2008 - 12:04 ET by JayTeeSomeone buy Al Gore a Free Trip to Polar Bear land, so he can Hug a Polar Bear to keep Warm. . . Possible headlines...
"Hypothermia Kills Al Gore, before he is Eaten by Blubber seeking Polar Bear."
The taunting and teasing
April 6, 2008 - 18:11 ET by JasonCThe taunting and teasing has more to do, I think, with the perception that those who own multiple firearms, do not hunt, and are fanatical about complete deregulation of gun sales and ownership to the point that they think a totalitarian task force is going to round up civilian-owned weaponry and toss it all into a big fire pit a la The Simpsons "Treehouse of Terror II", are so obviously unhinged and paranoid and obsessive that they deserve a bit of ribbing. They probably also get teased because of this particular stereotype: http://www.theonion....
I certainly don't want to see the second amendment repealed, but I think the NRA is a bunch of thugs. I'm fully against criminalizing the right to carry concealed weapons, but I see nothing wrong with being required to get a permit for same. I would characterize this position as making me a "Gun Law Moderate."
As for the thrust of WTH's article, well, Blazer nailed it. Plucking out a few crude comments from a left-wing message board that is notorious for having immature and ignorant participants is easily in the Top 5 of Huston's flimsiest pretexts under which to attack liberalism across the board.
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
An armed society is a polite society...
April 6, 2008 - 21:33 ET by Army BratI live in Alaska where there is no requirement for a permit for a citizen of the United States, of which I am one, to "carry concealed." Those that bother to get the permit, have the added bonus of not having to wait through a background check to purchase a new weapon. Some states even recognize other states carry permits.
Some folks, like yourself, were convinced that giving cirizenst the right to carry a concealed weapon wou lead to gunbattles in the streets. (With the Crips and the Bloods and all the other gangs, we already had that.) They were quite sure that blood would fill the streets and people woud die everywhere.
Crime went down. No increase in what you would call, "gun deaths."
Why do you feel that it's necessary for the Government to determine which people deserve the right to defend their lives from those that would take them, and which ones do not? What number of children need to be present in a houselhold before Mom can carry a gun with her to protect them from harm on the way to the Mall, or once inside the Mall?
Most governments are slow and stupid. They move like glaciers on issues like this...even when prodded. It was all but impossible to get a permit for years...
My concealed weapon has saved me from certain death on 2 occasions in the 33 years I've been carrying. Nothing else would have filled the bill, and I'd not be here. If you had your way in the matter...I'd be dead.
I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6
I'm willing to bet that virtually none of the Koskids have guns...
See what happens?
A complete and utter lack of manners and civility.
To the liberal mind, there are no bounds to go beyond...they don't exist...so I'm not surprised at the depths of their depravity.
Happy Trails...
Just to provide a different
April 6, 2008 - 21:39 ET by balboaJust to provide a different perspective, I own zero guns which have never had to save my life on any number of occasions.
Not that you shouldn't own one.
Did you even read my post?
April 7, 2008 - 10:18 ET by JasonCDid you even read my post? Are you sure you replied to the right one?
I live in Alaska where there is no requirement for a permit for a
citizen of the United States, of which I am one, to "carry concealed."
Those that bother to get the permit, have the added bonus of not having
to wait through a background check to purchase a new weapon. Some
states even recognize other states carry permits.
God forbid a person exert the maturity and patience to wait a few weeks to purchase that shiny new glock without chalking it up to anti-2nd Amendment conspiracy.
Some folks, like yourself, were convinced that giving cirizenst the
right to carry a concealed weapon wou lead to gunbattles in the
streets. (With the Crips and the Bloods and all the other gangs, we
already had that.) They were quite sure that blood would fill the
streets and people woud die everywhere.
I didn't say that. At all. I said "I am full against criminalizing the right to carry concealed weapons." Direct quote. I'll chalk it up to misreading on your part. I personally would not walk down the street carrying a concealed firearm. No way. I do, however, enjoy shooting and would like to purchase a rifle and/or shotgun when (if) I move back to a more rural place. What am I going to use it for here, shooting at a paper target indoors? Sounds boring.
Crime went down. No increase in what you would call, "gun deaths."
That is an arguable and statistically mangled "factoid." I'm not saying you're wrong, but it's far less simple than you make it out to be and is surely not proven to be a causal relationship in any case.
Why do you feel that it's necessary for the Government to determine
which people deserve the right to defend their lives from those that
would take them, and which ones do not? What number of children need to
be present in a houselhold before Mom can carry a gun with her to
protect them from harm on the way to the Mall, or once inside the Mall?
See my first response. Why is it so unreasonable to have to submit to a basic background check, and prove the same credentials of responsibility as one must in order to get a driver's license, work with children, even serve alcohol (really; I used to tend bar, and you have to take a state licensing program and become certified to do so). If we're keeping track of V.I.N.'s on cars that people buy, surely we should keep track of firearms. Again, you're acting like I'm saying "ban all guns." I could go out and purchase a gun today if I wanted to, and I live in Massachusetts! But oh, woe is me, I'd have to wait two whole weeks to actually be able to shoot it!
My concealed weapon has saved me from certain death on 2 occasions in
the 33 years I've been carrying. Nothing else would have filled the
bill, and I'd not be here. If you had your way in the matter...I'd be
dead.
Once more, you construe my take on the matter. But, glad to know you got out of those tight spots.
I'm willing to bet that virtually none of the Koskids have guns...
See what happens?
A complete and utter lack of manners and civility.
Again, you interpolate a causal relationship here? If they'd grown up with guns, they'd be decorous and polite? Yeah, I'm sure the two are intimately related...
Who can revolt if man has become a simple conglomerate of organs, a person barely free enough to use a remote control to choose his channel? -J. Kristeva
Humor is clearly not your strong suit.
April 7, 2008 - 13:19 ET by Army BratDo you really think that I believe if the left had guns they'd be more polite? Jeez....