Conservatives Told they Must Throw Away Principles

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Scripps Howard Editor: Conservatives Should Be Like JFK

It is getting tiresome already, but we are starting to see a new kind of story on this issue of McCain and his tiff with the conservative wing of the GOP and that is the shut-up-and-take-it style of commentary, the style were conservatives are told to throw away their principles and just vote McCain anyway.

I am sure that you all have noticed that John McCain is not the conservative's hero? There has been story after story expounding on how McCain has a lot of cajoling to do before principled conservatives will vote for him in November. He hasn't made those efforts yet, at least if looking at the primaries and caucuses that have occurred since McCain became the "presumptive nominee" -- at least according to the media -- are concerned. These last few early February events did not make him look much like an obvious winner, either. Even president Bush has said that he has some convincing of conservatives to do before he could expect their vote. All this clearly shows that McCain lacks serious conservative credentials.

A recent editorial by former Scripps Howard News Service editor Dan K. Thomasson serves as a perfect example of this sort of wrist slapping that conservatives are increasingly receiving from so many quarters, both from the left and their own reputed party members. Thomasson even takes it a step further by positing that conservatives should act like John F. Kennedy who allowed Lyndon Johnson to become his vice presidential pick even though they were rivals for the Democrat nomination for president in 1960. Similarly, he says, conservatives should accept the ideologically impure McCain and then work with him to put one of their own guys on the ticket in the second spot.

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All of these stories have a singular concept underlying them and that is that conservatives should throw away their principles and vote for McCain without a whimper. In other words, the press imagines that conservatives should rather be more interested in a White House win than in upholding their principles. But this raises an interesting question: where were all the stories that chided Dail Kos, netrooters for holding to their principles by attempting to take over the Democratic Party during the 2006 midterms? Far from scoffing at the netrooter's too stiff spines, they were praised for their campaign to force the Party into going their way.

In any case, the argument against conservative principles is laid out fairly well by Thomasson who sets the perfect pitch in scoffing at the conservatives that have the audacity to feel that principles mean something. He starts out by setting a negative tone.

"The current position of conservative ideologues on Sen. John McCain's worthiness to be the Republican presidential nominee reminds one of the young man who threatens to punish a strict father by joining the Army. The result is likely to be far worse than accepting the fact that not everyone is as philosophically perfect as one would like. Thank the good Lord."

You see, conservatives are "ideologues" and are like petulant children running away from their father (presumably McCain is deemed the grown up in Thomasson's opinion). Obviously, Thomasson does not think much about conservatives and this fits well with the flogging that the MSM and moderates are handing conservatives over their lack of support of McCain.

Thomasson goes on with his dismissal of conservatives by wondering if there is any moderation in the GOP at all.

To keep from having to stay home from the polls in November if McCain is nominated, the purists on the right end of the party -- assuming the spectrum doesn't just go from right to right -- want to certify the conservative credentials of anyone he picks as a running mate. Actually, they want to have a say in the selection. Otherwise, they profess at this stage, they will do the ideologically honorable thing. They will cut off their noses to spite their faces.

As Thomasson decries that the party goes "from right to right," intimating that there is no moderation there, he seems to be suggesting that the party constitute itself in precisely the opposite terms. If he doesn't imagine that the right side of the party should be allowed to have a say in what the party does, then he is directly positing that there BE no right end of the party. After all, why have a wing of the party that has no say, no power and no seat at the table? Obviously, Thomasson (and like minded pundits now chiding conservatives over their deserved pique at McCain) thinks that a large section of the party should forever just shut up and do what the left-wing of the party demands that the party do.

Thomasson also seems to fall for the same misconception that many others have been. Saying, "The party's hard rightists seem to favor former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney," Thomasson imagines that the newest, new Mitt Romney is the real conservative here. But Thomasson and many others are really missing the point of the late surge in support by conservatives for Mitt Romney. It isn't that Mitt is suddenly so conservative, but that until he left the race, he seemed the only one able to take out McCain. Conservatives, by and large, did not support Romney during 99% of his campaign for a reason... he isn't much of a conservative.

Then, Thomasson goes for his JFK analogy:

McCain and Romney showed a considerable amount of acrimony toward one another in the long run-up to this point in the nominating process. But one could draw an analogy here involving John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson in 1960. There was little love lost between the Kennedys and LBJ. But this didn't keep JFK and RFK, the top adviser on his brother's campaign, from inviting Johnson to join the ticket in a bid to improve the chances of winning the election -- nor did it stop Johnson from accepting.

What Thomasson misses is that there wasn't a whole lot of difference between Kennedy and Johnson's positions in 1960 in comparison to the differences between McCain and conservatives now. On the main issues, Kennedy and Johnson were on the same path. However, on the main issues today McCain and conservatives are walking down increasingly divergent roads.

Lyndon Johnson, however, had no such major differences from Kennedy, only a different base of support. Johnson commanded the old-line, southern Dixiecrats and felt he had the Senate so in his iron-fisted rule that he could easily take the nomination. For his part, Kennedy represented the eastern, intellectuals and did not have the same support from among the southern Democrats. But neither candidate had wildly divergent ideological positions. LBJ didn't waste much time on platforms and issues as he geared up to run for president, and there was little by way of ideological debates between he and Kennedy. So, in the end, between Kennedy and LBJ was more power play than ideological battle.

The same is not true at all between McCain and conservatives. There are many major differences between McCain and conservative voters. McCain stands on the opposite end of the issue on the some of the chief issues conservatives care most about. Just to name a few, McCain is for stem cell research, conservatives are not. McCain is for open borders, conservatives are not. McCain voted against tax cuts, conservatives are for them. McCain is a fool for the myths of global warming, conservatives stand against that foolishness, etc., etc.

This goes to prove that Thomasson's point is rather empty of any meaning. It was far easier for Kennedy to take on LBJ as a VP since neither of them had any major policy differences than it is for conservatives to acquiesce to supporting McCain as those two have major differences.

Thomasson next takes on the major item that keeps moderates and the leftist mainstream media form understanding why conservatives despise McCain, and he them.

Another problem conservatives seem to have with McCain is his ability to work closely with some Democrats, a trait that any thinking person would believe is a major asset at a time when the government is all but shut down because of virulent partisanship. What the purists don't mention is that some of these centrist stances and his penchant for working with the opposition to break the frequent gridlocks that stall the legislative agendas make him more attractive to independents and increase the likelihood that he could attract Democratic crossovers.

No, Mr. Thomasson, conservatives don't "seem" to have a problem with McCain's pandering to the Democrats, they have a major problem with it. They have a problem with it because McCain does not merely work with Democrats utilizing the art of compromise, McCain runs screaming into their arms to give them all they want without giving his own side even a few scraps from the table. Conservatives wouldn't be so wounded by McCain's penchant for "working with" the Democrats if they felt he attended at least to some of their needs. But, McCain has consistently kicked his own side in the head, climbing over them in his efforts to be loved by the other side of the aisle as well as the press. McCain has done all he can to let his own side know that he distrusts them, disdains them, and does not think they are important.

Then comes this late lovefest he is offering the right. Suddenly McCain is captain conservative. Needless to say, no conservative believes his sudden feigned claims of love and most know that McCain will go right back to being McCain the second he wins his campaign for the White House.

Then we come to the final point, and it is one that is constantly made by those who cannot "get" why conservatives are still resistant to the Media's candidate, McCain.

Besides, what choice does the right have? Well, they can fix McCain by staying home and end up like the kid who joined the Army to show his parents he couldn't be shoved around, or they can put aside their animosities, strive to elect their party's candidate and work on things from the inside instead of pressing their noses against a White House window.

Thomasson assumes that conservatives would have to just stay home and not vote at all if they don't like McCain. But there is a third and fourth choice: not voting for president but voting the rest of the ballot or voting third party. Further, Thomasson and like-minded scolders in the press assume that winning the White House is surely more important to conservatives than standing up for principles if he imagines they can so easily vote for McCain if he is the GOP nominee. So, yes, conservatives do have a choice. Like I said, though, that does not mean that conservatives must "stay home" and not vote at all.

Lastly, there is a consideration that many pundits and MSMers simply reject out of hand and this also precludes them from understanding the principled position of many conservatives. Conservatives are in this game for the ideas and policies that they hold dear. These ideological positions lie in a plain above mere parties and candidates. So, the Republican Party is only "their party" by virtue of default not by virtue of first choice. If another viable party were better on their base ideals, they'd abandon the GOP in droves. So, not to vote for the GOP nominee does not cause many conservatives as much heartburn as those who don't understand conservatives think it should cause. Many don't understand why folks like conservatives would hold to principles over winning elections and that is mostly because, unlike conservatives, they don't hold to any true principles themselves.

Of course, there is a lot to be said for accepting half the loaf, voting for the less than "pure" candidates, just to keep a conservative seat at the table. In normal times, this is a sensible thing to do, and certainly the art of compromise is the American way. But, again, compromise means that each side gets a little something. However, conservatives have been getting exceedingly less from McCain’s ideas and policy mingling with Democrats since being defeated by George W. Bush in 2000. And, with a major Democrat sweep about to befall the country, now is the perfect time for the conservative movement to stand up and say, "not one inch further left. "

Who can deny that a full-throated support of John McCain by conservatives would be interpreted by McCain as an excuse to indulge his constant reaching across the aisle as well as encourage his further drift left. He will imagine he is being excused for it and encouraged to be even more like John "the maverick" McCain. Worse, it will mean the rise of even more moderate, left leaning candidates all down the line in emulation of McCain the winner of all that adulation and support.

If conservatives mean to make their ideas and policies meaningful in the party again, there has to be some reason for the rest of the party to take them seriously. If conservatives are going to loudly proclaim their druthers yet meekly vote for apostates to those ideas anyway, not a single candidate will have any reason to expect that conservatives are serious with their ideas in the first place. Conservatives will become the boy who cried wolf. Winning is nice, but if there is no consequences for politicians who eschew conservative principles, eventually there won't be any reason to even mouth conservative principles -- even if only to ignore them later.

Now is the time to rebuild the party and reassert conservative principles. That alone is enough reason not to support any of the last three "top tier" Republican candidates.

And that is why moderates and their pals in the MSM don't get it.


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In that clip of Russert

In that clip of Russert asking McCain about his comments that HRC would make a good President, McCain replied about her integrity etc., and then said that his philosophy was different from hers because he was a "conservative Republican."

And he said it with a straight face. I imagine he's going to be saying that a lot.

But as Abe Lincoln said: Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one.

we're called "purist" like it's a bad thing

I couldn't have said it better myself.

I've noticed that no one talks about how they can't wait for McCain to be president so he'll do (insert your favorite issue).

I'm one of those "Reagan Republicans." I remember telling people how I couldn't wait for Reagan to lower taxes (he did) and to strengthen the military (he did) which Carter had eviscerated.

I don't hear any McCain supporters talk about how they can't wait until he's president so he can do, what? Reach across the aisle to the Left? Save the planet from the hokus pokus known as global warming?  Grant amnesty to illegal aliens?

...

I don't hear any McCain

I don't hear any McCain supporters talk about how they can't wait until
he's president so he can do, what? Reach across the aisle to the Left?

And "reach across" he will. McCain will do whatever it takes to maintain his "adored" status in the MSM.

I've never understood what makes John McCain so dependent on the approval of liberals and the media. The only ones he seems to not care about angering are his fellow Republicans.

But I do know that it makes him ripe for the Liberals and MSM to use the psychological Withdrawal of Love technique to get him to implement their agenda.

 

dissent is once again bad and juvenile (notates MSM dictionary)

they also call us conservative like it's a bad thing:)

oh no they are calling us names - that is very new and different

i guess i will vote for mc then, i mean jeepers - if they're going to write essay after essay of humorously tortured logic and call me names - what else can i do

curse those MSM-ers - resistence is truly futile

Pretty much said it all

Good post, Warner. Most of the replies that occurred to me, I found you made the same points further down the story.

What I don't get is why anyone would believe that these lefties in the MSM would want to give conservatives any valuable advice. To me, it's plain that they want McCain in the race as the "designated loser." And if by chance he DID win, well, they know he's willing to "work with" them.

Why should Thomasson object to the conservative "rebellion" against McCain? Isn't the Left the home of rebels? As you state, it's clear that victory trumps principles in the leftist mind-set. As if we needed further proof.

I agree that the half-a-loaf policy is tempting. I think you're right that a McCain victory would just encourage emulation. So, I find it more tempting to let the Dems have the White House and Congress, to fumble the ball badly with no one to blame. Then, get set for the next Republican take-over of the legislature in 2010. I'll probably hold my nose and vote for him, but I won't really be rooting for him.

I find it interesting that he uses a JFK analogy in his argument. MY JFK analogy to people is that were he alive today, he'd most likely be a modern "conservative." Today's Democrats would hardly agree with "ask not what your country can do for you," now would they? 

Indiana, the only advice libs will give conservatives

Indiana, the only advice libs will give conservatives is stay home and don't vote OR Vote the way we want you to.

I have been on many left-leaning blogs and the one comment I get allot, as a Conservative-Christian, is that I should not let my faith influence me in the voting booth, and that a politican should not let his faith influence his policy.  They say it "makes them nervous" that someone would vote according to their faith (ie principles).

I tell people it's the opposite for me, and that people who claim to have a faith and don't guide their life by it make me nervous and I don't trust them.  They usually don't get it.

But the upshot of it all is, liberals don't want Conservatives with morals, principles and values voting that way and making decisions and policy that way.

Welcome to

My world. You'll get used to the feeling, eventually...
JMR

If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...

The best of the least

The best of the least wasn't good enough then and it isn't good enough now.

John McCain

The reality of the coming election is this . No matter who wins ,conservatives lose. If we think we can undo the damage after four years then I would ask you; how do you seperate two cans of different color paint that have been mixed? The truth is we will be and have been living in a liberal dominated culture for decades and our distinct culture , history and sovereignty are about to be obliterated forever. I refuse to accept liberal/socialism and will never vote for John McCain.

I am sad and unyielding. The foundation of this great Republic is so riddled with holes , defects and destruction it probably cannot survive . Like all of mans creations it is imperfect and temporal. So I rejoice . When the New World comes and we are resurrected we can remember we tried and for awhile we succeeded.

May God have Mercy on us.

Sorry, just a little too defeatist for my taste

No disrespect, but I can't see sitting on our hands and giving up. To just wait for Judgement Day and plead that we tried, but failed and gave up, won't cut it for me. Nor will it, I think, to our Judge.

Our culture and history can't be obliterated if we maintain it. True, there are people trying to do this, but it's been tried before. American resiliency, as mentioned in another post here, has always triumphed in the end. There's no reason to give up over one election.

We may strike out in this at-bat. But the game is far from over. We just have to keep on keepin' on.

Your sentiment is exactly

Your sentiment is exactly what is wrong with the GOP. The happy warrior that grins while voting for people he KNOWS will not uphold his principles is not the kind of person that will save the very culture and history he doesn't want obliterated.

The person who swallows all principle and votes for a candidate regardless of the history of the candidate just because he attaches an "R" to his name is responsible for NOT maintaining the very stuff he wants to save when he vote for RINOs... and it's because RINOs couldn't care less about that vision.

Warner... Thank you. I

Warner...

Thank you. I have tried in many ways to convey the same sentiment but am not as good with wordsmithing as you.

Over the past few days I have seen a turn for the worse in people's response to my principled stand. I am now being called some very nasty names. Fortunately, it hasn't happened here in this forum yet. 

Set the GOP back on the right course. http://gopteaparty.com/

American’s resiliency

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan: Well, there they go again!

The MSM are in a ‘let us redefine conservatism’ mode by asking the majority of Americans to forget our values and principals in order to establish Camelot III and once again sing Kumbaya.

As for the Democrat party, its values and principals have deviated so far down that even JFK wouldn’t recognize it, and even be considered an outcast. 

As for McCain, his election might be decided on a ‘hold your nose vote’ by conservatives. However, whoever is elected, it will only be for one term as Clinton or Obama try to push their socialist agenda down our throats, and especially if McCain signs his amnesty bill.

As we saw with Carter, a lot of damage can be done to the country in four years, but with all that was done to it by Carter, it was eventually repaired. A true testament to the resiliency of the American people.

John McCain can go to

John McCain can go to hell!

Yes I know I already used that line on Matt Lauer earlier. I guess it's just one of those days that's gonna piss me off. 

Set the GOP back on the right course. http://gopteaparty.com/

when conservatives lost

I was talking to my pastor last night about the election and he made a very astute point - conservatives lost America two years ago.

In 2004 when Bush was afraid of losing to Kerry, he rallied the conservative base by bringing social issues like gay marriage and abortion to the front of public discussion. He lured us into voting booths with the promise of advancing the conservative agenda.

And now four years later, what do we have to show for it? No marriage amendment. No law protecting people like Terri Shiavo. No definiton of English being our only language. As soon as Bush got into office, he stopped the conservative agenda cold and did nothing to live up to his promises.

The message has been clearly sent to the religious right that their ideas will never be respected. Telling us to vote for John McCain is only the beginning.

They can tell me to vote

They can tell me to vote for McCain until the cows come home and it still ain't gonna happen.

I don't care if people try to talk me to death, argue with me, cajole, bribe or even threaten me there is nothing that will make me vote for him. He is NOT one of us!

Set the GOP back on the right course. http://gopteaparty.com/

You speak only of social issues

Which to me aren't nearly as important as the fiscal betrayal we've seen from Bush. It takes a lot of spending to be the first President to sign the USA's first $2 trillion budget at the beginning of your term & then sign the USA's first $3 trillion budget this year. I wish "trillion" didn't sound so damn much like "billion" like I used to wish "billion" didn't sound so damn much like "million."

Believe it or not the fiscal issue is just a tiny bit more important to me than crap like the control-freak lobby with too much time on their hands second guessing state courts in vegetable-cases. On your issue, the "conservatives" put up a fight. On mine, they rolled over & spread the cheeks, to be brutally-frank about it.
JMR

If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...

okay sarc

I agree with you about government spending being out of control, but just like everything else, there is zilch we can do about it.

But if you think Terri Shiavo was the end of the euthanasia agenda, you're naive.

I don't think she was the end of it

I do think her side lost in state court, and that politicians need to let courts take care of individual cases. For one thing, that way they could focus more on cutting instead of increasing spending. I don't believe Republicans want to cut spending, or they would-have when they had full control.

Social conservatives may feel betrayed, but so do I, and I've been holding my nose as a fiscal conservative for social conservative politicians long enough. It's going to be very hard to convince me to do so this time.
JMR

If this is winning, I think I'd rather lose...

well sarc

Don't get the idea that conservatives are okay with big government spending. That's supposed to be something Republicans stand against as well.

But like I said, Bush couldn't convince us on his spending record, his immigration record, or his other policies, so he used social issues to rally our vote and then abandoned them the day after he won.

In short, none of us are gettting what we want and the only explanation seems to be "at least McCain is not a Democrat."

We have 2 SCOTUS judges, one

We have 2 SCOTUS judges, one moderate and one more conservative.  I think that is worth it.  Prsident Bush may have not fufilled some of his "promises" but 2 judges pretty much evened the slate.  He did make a fight for SS but tried to screw us on amnesty.  All in all its a wash.

Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.

"All of these stories have

"All of these stories have a singular concept underlying them and that
is that conservatives should throw away their principles and vote for
McCain without a whimper."

 

And that is the prime reason why the Republican Party will continue to lose elections. They are straying too far from their conservative principles. Think earmarks, McCain/Kennedy, Etc.

It is past time for people to stand up to the Republican Thuggery and tell them enough is enough!

Thank you, Mr. Huston, for

Thank you, Mr. Huston, for taking the time to examine the problem I've been trying to point out. Contrary to what many people (including some well known and respected here) are saying, I believe taking a "shut up and vote the party line" approach this year will have results far worse than not controlling the Whitehouse for the next 4 years. Voting for McCain strikes me as handing over the last bits of conservative voice in politics to the left, leaving us with an endless string of "bad or worse" elections and no recourse but third parties in a political world that refuses to acknowledge them. In my opinion, letting McCain and the media continue turning the Reps into the Dem-lite party (oh yes, they've been at it for decades) will kill this country.

www.rhjunior.com Great comics with a hefty dose of Christian and anti-nutjob goodness.

"With your mind as high as Mt. Fuji you can see all things clearly. And you can see all the forces that shape events; not just the things near to you." -Miyamoto Musashi

letting McCain and the

letting McCain and the media continue turning the Reps into the
Dem-lite party (oh yes, they've been at it for decades) will kill this
country.
Cortillaen

My belief, which I've stated here before, is that the Republican party is moving left and becoming "Dem-lite" because the country as a whole is moving left.

People are starting to want government to provide more and more of the necessities of life. And the party that promises the most free stuff is the one that gets elected.

And since the name of the game is not, as politicians would have us believe, "public service" but getting elected and re-elected, and becoming part of the "ruling elite," Republicans have no choice but to buy into the socialist, redistributive policies of the Democrats. It's either that, or ther are out of power permanently.

We (the country as a whole) get the government we are asking for.

Did someone say 'Republican by default'?

So, the Republican Party is only "their party" by virtue of default not by virtue of first choice. If another viable party were better on their base ideals, they'd abandon the GOP in droves.

Could not have said it better myself.

Excellent piece.

It would be nice for a

It would be nice for a change if the GOP would at least attempt to practice their "base ideals". 

Set the GOP back on the right course. http://gopteaparty.com/

Well, its bye-bye McCain and hello McClinton for me again.

Every time I sorta-kinda-maybe start to think about possibly softening my oppostion to McCain just to keep HRC or BHO out of the White House, something like this comes along and jolts me back into the realm of reality.

I really do not mind my republican friends suggesting I might want to rethink my opposition to McCain, as they make some interesting points at times (although, I hate to tell them that stories like this aren't exactly convincing me to warm to their cause).

However, I am more than a little fed-up with the liberals in the dumbMass media telling me to.

Hi RD... Excellent

Hi RD...

Excellent link....another one I added to my list.

'noon bt,

LOL-Must be quite a list!

hey RD Helm

Whenever I think about considering McCain as the least of the evils, I watch this and remember what he did to become "the least evil."

Hi, candance,

Thanks for the reminder, as I really feared I was beginning to perhaps think about maybe, possibly, kind of sort of begining to think about wavering in a few months, purely out of fear of the other side. :-O

I do not know if McCain was intentionally lying about Mitt's position on a timetable for withdrawal, or his mental capacity has diminished to the point where he actually believes Mitt said that he supported one.

Regardless of which way it went down, I am now convinced more than ever that McCain is unfit to serve as POTUS, and particularly CIC.

 

If conservatives mean to

If conservatives mean to make their ideas and policies meaningful in the party again, there has to be some reason for the rest of the party to take them seriously. If conservatives are going to loudly proclaim their druthers yet meekly vote for apostates to those ideas anyway, not a single candidate will have any reason to expect that conservatives are serious with their ideas in the first place. Conservatives will become the boy who cried wolf. Winning is nice, but if there is no consequences for politicians who eschew conservative principles, eventually there won't be any reason to even mouth conservative principles -- even if only to ignore them later.

Thank you WTH...this says it all. 

EXACTLY...Unless something

EXACTLY...Unless something fairly drastic changes my mind before Nov, I'll be writing-in Ronald Reagan.  For my part, that sends the exact message I want the blue-bloods to get.

WTH - not one inch further left

not one inch further left

Right on Warner!

I'm still going to vote in November. . . my Congressman Rodney Frelinghuysen deserves re-election to the House, but I won't vote for McCain.  Maybe I'll write-in Fred Thompson.

 

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No McCain no way.

McCain would perform like a hardcore far-left liberal. I can get that by just staying home. Why vote for someone who will immediately sell me out and flip me the bird while he laughs with Kennedy and I go over the cliff.? All you "hold you nose and vote McCain" folks will be sadly, sadly, sadly surprised if old-man McCain gets in. McCain will make the cornerstone of his legacy dismantling the Republican party. Go find some stone somewhere and carve that into it.

Finally, McCain is not "strong on defense". Don't give me a solitary ounce of that stinking "strong on defense" bull. If the borders are not defended, the country is not defended at all. If the borders are not defended, start the count-down to another 9/11.

The election is already over - why vote, the only people left are far-left liberals. I'll vote Obama. At least Obama doesn't make me sick to my stomach.

Andfall, thats some retoric

Andfall, thats some retoric there. You would vote for Obama but not for Mac??? Obama is the most liberal person in the Senate. Talk about selling you out down the river! He has promised to raise your taxes. And that aint squat compared to his defence policy, not to mention what he will do the the Armed Forces. You want to go ahead and kill some of out men and women in the military, who stand in the gap on Iraq and Afgan soil, vote Obama. Go ahead. At least Mac wont sell them out, but you can, by voting Obama.

Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!