The New York Times wants you to know that legislators in Arizona are mean to illegal immigrants trying to go to the state's schools on the cheap. The Times wants you to imagine that Arizona's new anti-illegal laws are oppressing those poor, illegal immigrant students that come into Arizona expecting to get all sorts of loans and financial breaks just because... well, just because they happen to draw a breath. The Times wants us all to tsk tsk the state of Arizona because it had the guts to finally do something about the billions of dollars lost to this flood of criminal aliens. Somehow, I don't feel so bad, though.
With the sensational headline, "Arizona Law Takes a Toll on Nonresident Students," the Times gives us the tale of woe of students that want to steal from Arizona's educational system. They begin their tale with the experience of Marco Carrillo who was asked by his college counselor if he was a legal resident or not. The Times acts as if even asking this question is somehow mean-spirited or shocking.
"The very first question she asked me was whether I was a legal resident here," said Mr. Carrillo, 20, now an electrical engineering student at Arizona State University in Tempe. "And I said, ‘Yeah, I am.’ And she said, ‘Oh good, that makes things easier."
But, see, Mr. Carrillo IS a resident. So, what is the problem here? The problem, as the NYT sees it, apparently is that it is unseemly even to ask. But, Arizona's new Proposition 300 requires the new focus on citizenship and the NYT is appalled by such a thing,
Such questions have become commonplace in Arizona, where voters passed a 2006 referendum, Proposition 300, that forbids college students who cannot prove they are legal residents from receiving state financial assistance.
To any real American, this seems like a sensible and good rule. If you aren't a legal resident, why the heck should you get all sort of financial breaks to go to school in Arizona? But, the NYT seems to want to warn us about how eeevil this law is.
One of several recent immigration statutes passed by Arizona voters and legislators frustrated by federal inaction, the law also prohibits in-state tuition for illegal immigrants. Administrators at several campuses fear that the provision has priced some out of their classes, particularly at the state’s popular community colleges.
Let's face it, these "administrators" don't give a rat's el'rearo if these kids of illegals get an education or not. They are mourning the loss of Federal money, the loss of loan money, and students in the seats of their institutions as a result of this law and that is ALL they care about. It's all about the cash. Fewer students means less money for them.
And now for the scaremongering and stupidity of the let's-give-the-store-away set:
More than enrollment declines, however, what worries some educators here is that nonlegal residents — some of whom have lived in the United States since infancy and attended American high schools — will be afraid to pursue any form of higher education.
"The most frightening thing about the policy in place isn’t necessarily its measurable effect, it’s the immeasurable effect,” said Paul R. Kohn, the vice provost for enrollment management and dean of admission at the University of Arizona.
What's "frightening" is the lies and demagoguery that these illegal coddlers resort to. Here is the thing that the appeasers and the Times don't seem to want to focus on; The new law does not prevent anyone from going to school anywhere (Though they do mention it at least). It merely forces them to pay their full and fair share of the costs.
The law does not forbid nonlegal residents from attending college or require colleges to report them to the authorities, something the colleges have worked hard to convey. Still, supporters said the law would save the state millions of dollars and provide a powerful disincentive to prospective border-jumpers.
Notice how, after mentioning that the law doesn't really prevent any educating, the Times goes on to focus on the supposed harm the law causes?
Again, why should an non-legal resident get all sorts of tuition breaks? And how does this provide any real "disincentive" for those who really want an education?
And here is another thought, perhaps it actually provides an incentive rather than a disincentive to these illegal resident students? Perhaps it provides the incentive to these illegals to go through the efforts to become legal?
In any case, it all comes down to what is right and what is fair. No resident of any other U.S. state can flood into Arizona and get all sorts of financial breaks to go to school there. So, why should a person who is not even a citizen of this country get these breaks that even other Americans don't get?
Whatever the case, the NYT and their pals in the open borders crowd are trying to spin this sensible Arizona law as the worst thing ever when it is just one example of a law that works just fine.
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January 27, 2008 - 14:58 ET by botgdoesn't the NYT offer free subscriptions to employees? Aren't they mean to me by not giving me the employee rate?
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Pray tell.....why
January 27, 2008 - 15:02 ET by BlondeShouldn't someone from Minnesota, who is a citizen, get in-state tuition if the illegals do?
Someone, please STOP THE INSANITY. Um, the INANITY.
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Dear NY Times: Prop 300
January 27, 2008 - 18:29 ET by motherbeltDear NY Times:
Prop 300 is frightening away illegal resident students?
Good.
Okay as a dubious service
January 27, 2008 - 15:13 ET by BlazerOkay as a dubious service to the NYT who's editor evidently got his journalism certificate from a Cracker Jack box, I took the liberty of correcting the headline:
"Arizona Law Cracks Down On Illegal Alien Students"
Much better.
I have a better idea shutter and liquidate the NYT and then they can send the proceed's to educate illegal's and finance terrorist's directly, instead of just carrying water for them, if thier so concerned.
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" The Cake is a lie."
AHHHHHH!
January 27, 2008 - 15:16 ET by DEVILDOCMOM“It’s expensive going to school in Mexico over there because there’s no such thing as financial aid,” he said. “You pretty much have to scrape it. But at least you’re not worried that you’re going to get deported.”
WELL, OF COURSE! You are a legal resident of Mexico and they will not deport you because of that! Duh.
Yep, I am from Arizona and TOTALLY support this law and any others which crack down on illegals. As mentioned in the discussion above a student from another state pays out-of-state tuition. WHY should illegals pay in-state or even have a free ride? They should not, of course.
As we on this site all know, the illegals have enough free stuff from the taxpayers of the United States and each individual state.
DDM...Plus what we also
January 27, 2008 - 15:19 ET by bigtimerDDM...
Plus what we also need is the a$$holes like the ACLU and all their ilk that keep filing law-suits to lose and go away...leave the states alone...period.
Talk about the enemy within...
BT
January 27, 2008 - 15:30 ET by botganother good reason that the SCOTUS is so important in the upcoming election. If they know activist judges will be overturned by a SC who upholds the Constitution they will file less suits.
Supreme Court, National Security, Borders, Fiscal Restraint, my litmus test for President.
Exactly botg... I just
January 27, 2008 - 15:37 ET by bigtimerExactly botg...
I just posted as such on Ct's forum thread.
Love your tag-line friend!
LOL....
What else would you expect, it's the NYT
January 27, 2008 - 15:19 ET by masslibertarianNotice how the NYT found someone named Marco Carrillo to interview for the story. They just as easily could have found a Sean O'Brien or John Smith and asked them the same question, because the law requires AZ to confirm the citizenship status of all students, not just those with hispanic-sounding names.
Kudos to the citizens of Arizona for doing what they can to put a stop to the invasion.
Eisenhower
January 27, 2008 - 15:28 ET by DontFeedTheTrollsHmmm, what can we learn from the past.
Operation W******.
Darn that history!
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Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.
The Cincinnati Rag
January 27, 2008 - 16:21 ET by ammo johnOur local paper, The Cincinnati Enquirer, has in its Sunday edition a front-page story on the murders of some illegals that happened a month ago. How they traveled here to get away from their poor Mexican town, blah, blah, blah. There was also a an extra section focusing on this, as well as guest commentaries by those for and against it. Needless to say, there were more sympathizers for illegals to stay here than there were for them to leave the country. If only there was a way to just get the ads and coupons without having to buy the Cincy Rag.
Personally, I agree with the
January 27, 2008 - 16:45 ET by Sonny LykosPersonally, I agree with the NYT. I think we should also let "nonresident students" from ever Middle East country come here at no cost, with no visas or other demands to access not only the US schools, but any government or private department or corporation the want to work, like the DOD, DOT, State Dept, Center For Disease Control, NASA, etc. And newspapers too.
After all, all "children" need a good education followed by a good job.
NY Pravda showing
January 27, 2008 - 17:53 ET by EdhenryNY Pravda showing stupidity, again, and again. Between AZ Prop 300 and the Oklahoma employment requirement, the states now have a template that works. One that Congress could never get done.
Good scenario. States with common sense get to push illegals onto social services and criminal roles of weak, anti-american blue states. And no argument. NY Times, you want them? Tell Albany and Sacramento, not Talahassee, Richmond or Lansing.
Yep, "Between AZ Prop 300
January 28, 2008 - 11:55 ET by Dan The Man 2Yep, "Between AZ Prop 300 and the Oklahoma employment requirement, the states now have a template that works" and this is also a testament to states rights.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Back to the drawing boards - Harry Reid in '93
January 27, 2008 - 17:55 ET by Gary HallBack to the drawing boards - Harry Reid in '93. Sen. Reid had it right back in 1993 - his view then, still reflect the view of a strong majority of US Citizens - something that the NYTimes continues to hide from it's readers. Misc. excerpts from Reid, circa 1993:
Reid's postition in 1993, is not unlike many well liked Democrats and Republicans in recent years, and indeed is representatative of a great many today. Perhaps they are in hiding, for fear of the backlash from the likes of the agenda driven NY Times. Imagine how the awarness and the resultant conversation amongst the voters in this debate on immigration reform would be elevated if only the media would fairly report the news and the views of all who have or have had a voice.
Hey
January 27, 2008 - 18:03 ET by bigtimerHey Gary....
Excellent!
I heard part of this quoted early last week somewhere regarding the fearless leader of the Senate...
What hypocrisy...why the repub's do not bring this up more and more is beyond me...wait a minute...some of them need to get a spine.
Gosh, do you think someone
January 27, 2008 - 18:32 ET by motherbeltGosh, do you think someone will ask him about that next time he's available for questions, and ask him what happened to make him change his mind?
OH, yeah!
BT & MB
January 27, 2008 - 19:30 ET by Gary HallThe simple answer is - the agenda of the media is to the left of Teddy Kenndy here. They are not about to do anything that reminds the vast public out there that they had it right all along. And there are plenty of others, besides Harry Reid, who have abandoned their old heart felt views here, all for the ease of getting along with the leftie media.
My angle with a number of journalists and candidates is that if they would ever phrase the question right here, or if the candidates would ever answer.. for example "well, actually you might be surprised to find out that my proposals here are right in line with a vast majority of the citizens, and in line with a number of folks on the other side of the isle. Take Sen. Reid, for instance......"
One sharp candidate here could turn the country around. (:~> gary
One sharp candidate here
January 27, 2008 - 19:41 ET by bigtimerOne sharp candidate here could turn the country around. (:~> gary
Bingo!
Hey Gary, you should email
January 27, 2008 - 18:34 ET by motherbeltHey Gary, you should email that, with the link, to Rush...if he talks about it, it won't stay in the shadows for long....
It just hit me that
January 27, 2008 - 17:57 ET by BlazerIt just hit me that another 300 is making it uncomfortable for another group of alien invader's.
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"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious. "
- Ben Kenobi on Liberals, and the MSM.
" The Cake is a lie."
thats not the only paper
January 27, 2008 - 18:18 ET by paulnashtnI live in Nashville and todays Tennessean(local rag) had a front page story about an illegal couple that would not take their child to the hosp till it was too late to save the child, all because of Oklahoma's new law that would require the hosp to ask about citizenship status. You can be sure that Oklahoma lawmakers are responsible for the childs death.
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I call on Republicans to Tax the New York Times
January 27, 2008 - 18:25 ET by Lame CherryI have had it with Republicans standing around testing the wind and corporations like the New York Times being "advocates" for policies which cost people in other states billions.
So therefore I call on Congressman Boehner and Senator Thune to implement the reciprocity tax.
It would work simple. New York Times has ceased being a company for profit, but is an advocate for terrorists, border busters etc.... So the law would state that when they do that that all their money be taxed and taken to make programs for their advocacy.
In this case it would be shipping all those border busters to New York where the Times and other corporations could educate, feed, clothe and house them their lofty content and the rest of America could be done with them.
In this broad Henry Pig Nose Type Waxman law rooting for free money, I see Ford would be covered as they only are interested in sodomy now, so all of Ford's money would become state funds to pay for whatever homosexuals are screaming about in research........and the rest of America could be free of them and using that worthless research money being wasted on a vaccine now which GIVES AIDS on something that would help ALL AMERICANS who do not have aidd as they are not perverts sexing anything in sight.
The same holds true with Microsoft and ole Warren Buffet of Buffet nation rapers. They are sticking money into advocacy so take their billions and and put their pet problems on their doorstep so the rest of America can have peace.
Top it off with hedge fund hog George Soros, confiscate all his raped loot off of Americans as he is so in favor of non profits and Chinese communist slavery and spend it on global warming.......toss Al Gore and Mike Bloomberg's money into the tax fund too.
The people and corporations who advocate spending my money on their projects deserve to have all their money spent for a change and find out how much fun it is.
Come on Republicans, come on Rush, comeon Sean, come on Bill, come on Michele.........honor it by calling it the Pig Nose Waxman bill rooting for funds and start taxing liberals for the problems they are creating so the majority of Americans can have peace.
Oh and Barak Obama chime in good buddy as blacks are finding out they are being tossed to the side in favor of border busters being a larger group and all those Mexicans are dumping into their neighbors.
Let us all work together and call it the Boehner, Thune, Obama, Pig Nose Waxman bill rooting for funds.
TAX THE TIMES. TAX FORD. TAX MICROSOFT. TAX SOROS!
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Great thought LC, even
January 28, 2008 - 12:41 ET by BeowulfGreat thought LC, even though the chances of it ever seeing the light of day are virtually nonexistant. Make these liberal morons actually PAY for their advocacy and watch how fast their lists of "things to do" dry up. The NYT, along with most, if not all, true die-hard liberals always say "we" when talking about funding their pet projects, but from their perspective "we" doesn't mean "me". So basically, whenever they spout off about doing something about something they see as a problem, they want their solution funded - so long as they aren't the ones paying for it...
The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers
The new law does not
January 27, 2008 - 18:45 ET by motherbeltThe new law does not prevent anyone from going to school
anywhere (Though they do mention it at least). It merely forces them to
pay their full and fair share of the costs. WTH
Warner, you hit the nail on the head with that. They just don't get the federal money. It's like people who say that they are "denied" certain medicines or treatments because their insurance company won't pay for them. No, no one is saying you can't have it. They are just saying they won't pay for it.
Since when is being denied a special privilege a hardship?
Tuition help offered in Mexico?
January 27, 2008 - 19:44 ET by NiftySwellThe emphasis is always on what the US is or isnt doing for illegals in this country...without any comparison to what kind of benefits an American would get in their countries. Next time someone in the government in Mexico demands access to jobs in the US, we need to ask for equal consideration. Let the US citizen have access to jobs or to buy property or to start a business down there and perhaps their economy will improve. Have you seen what the punishment is in Mexico for a non-citizen to be caught working there? Those in power in Mexico keep it by not offering any opportunity in their own country for the poor to move up.
RE:
January 27, 2008 - 21:29 ET by onlybeef42A couple of articles about Mexico's treatment of illegals in their country
http://www.renewamer...
http://www.cbn.com/c...
http://www.azstarnet...
The liberals see the government's money as free $$$
January 27, 2008 - 20:27 ET by c5thenThey do not realize, or wish to admit, that it is money taken from hardworking citizens and legal imigrants. Allowing illegal imigrants to recieve government benefits is taking money from hard working law abiding people and giving it to criminals. This is a modern form of slavery. Think about it. People work hard at jobs and the government takes some of that money via threat of incarciration just to give it to those who are breaking our laws and are here illegally.
The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.
from earlier today
January 27, 2008 - 20:58 ET by CatherwoodA second chance to see this exchange from ealier today:
http://www2.highlandstoday.com/content/2008/jan/24/breaking-news-2-students-charged-school-vandalism/
Catherwood
I wish all of you could have seen what gang-banging vandals did to the new school in my community last Tuesday night. The two did in excess of $10k damage to the school by smashing glass, spray painting walls with gang symbols and epithets, ruining the gym floor, tearing up office equipment, ruining audio visual equipment, etc. Their final act (you won't believe this!) was to tear down an American flag and urinate on it. They pulled the flag out into a hall to be sure they were on video. They also stole about $5k worth of stuff including radioes, computers, and clothing which they wore to school the next day to impress their like-minded friends. The two vandals were caught the next day and charged with multiple felonies. They were incarcerated in the local juvenile jail where they have to stay for a whole 30 days. They were 15 years old and in the eighth grade. And, it was all captured on video. You should see it; you really should.
Cather... God help thisJanuary 27, 2008 - 14:44 ET by bigtimer
Cather...
God help this country.
Did the local news report this, did they give any reason for the poor little misunderstood buggers...
Sickening, pathetic and maddening... I hope they get a full sentence possible coming to them, plus having to work off the damage they did when the leave...I don't care how long it takes.
vandalismJanuary 27, 2008 - 19:44 ET by Catherwood
Yes, the local news people covered the story in print and on the local tv stations. The damage was so extensive it attracted quite a bit of attention. Word is in the community is the vandals will be back in court in Thursday to face more charges. Textbook damage and other overlooked damage has now emerged. Another encouraging word was that the school's insurance company is going to try a recoup some off its losses with a civil suit. Discouraging word is that the vandals will be allowed back in the school system at the local alternative school. I am sure they will return there as heroes. It really is sickening to hear the vandals' apologists plead their case. For example, the school has already been blamed for not 'properly' securing the school.
this makes my blood boil
January 28, 2008 - 10:25 ET by pwozMy father came to the US (legally) in the 70s from Poland.. within 5 years he learned the language, graduated college, and spent the rest of his days as a chemist. He was very successful. Not rich, but successful, ya know?
It was hard to pay for my college, and I did not get squat from financial aid.. until almost 6 months after he died!
It's not just the illegals that take these benefits away. My family suffered something tragic, and it was impossible to continue paying for school.
I let my voice be heard to the financial aid department at my school, citing certain 'trends' I noticed.. and I was not the only white student with trouble from that department.
Finally, six months after his death, after many phone calls and confrontations, I got the aid I needed to graduate, where I am now successful.. thanks to the lessons learned from my father.
I tell you this because I can name at least 15-20 people at my former school who came from a different background *cough* illegal or from the poor side of the state, and got a free ride for just showing up.
The school showed no compassion for my situation, yet they do not hesitate for someone non-w.......
Do it the United Way way
January 29, 2008 - 07:53 ET by ThisnThatI think Arizona needs to go one step further -- post an Illegal Monitoring graph. You know, like the one United Way uses to track its donations? Arizona needs to set a goal of driving the illegals out of the state, and track progress against that goal every day. Make sure it's in the top right corner of every newspaper's front page so everyone can see the previous day's achievements over their morning coffee.
And just like United Way, everyone gets choices on how they can contribute. Things like: No free school; no free medical; no drivers licenses; no illegal hiring; and so on. This could be real fun.
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Better yet TNT
January 29, 2008 - 07:57 ET by Cool Arrow53 DAYS WITHOUT A LOST JOB INTERLOPER
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Excellent
January 29, 2008 - 08:05 ET by ThisnThatHospitals could put up a neon sign: 45 days of illegal-free treatment.
Schools could point out: $1,359,000 in saving this year due to illegal-less classrooms.
Worksites could compete by giving Friday afternoons off in June for 0 illegal hires.
You're on to something here, CA.
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→ Y'know what TNT?
January 29, 2008 - 08:13 ET by Cool ArrowI know we started out joking, but you're right. This looks practical.
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