Thompson to Drop Presidential Bid

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By Warner Todd Huston | January 22, 2008 - 15:36 ET

Carl Cameron reports that Thompson is calling it quits...

Thompson to Drop Presidential Bid

Fred Thompson plans to drop his presidential bid, FOX News learned Tuesday.

Thompson has begun calling friends, family members and supporters to tell them his campaign is over. He left Nashville Tuesday afternoon for McLean, Va., where he is expected to make an announcement about his campaign as early as Tuesday night.

The former Tennessee senator and actor has not won any early primary or caucus contests and finished third in the South Carolina primary Saturday.

Is this the end of a conservative Republican Party???

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congratulations RINOs

The party is yours.

It Always Was Ours

Perhaps you can start a third party and I dont know, maybe give the Green Party a run for their money or something.

No third party

No third party. I want a Republican in the white house. If the Dems get in it will be the RED house

News to Me

I didn't know he initiated one.

Well put,

CWG.  His whole campaign (or lack thereof) was a disapointment....he never seemed to have his heart in it.

don't panic

Thompson will accept the veep nomination from Mitt...

TM...

So what? I'm not following your logic. 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

i'm not following how you

i'm not following how you are not following...

Mitt will invite Thompson on board as his running mate...

TM...

I'm not so sure. The ONLY reason why another candidate would put Fred on their ticket is to try and make themselves LOOK more conservative.

Something tells me that Fred may decline an offer like that. He's a leader, not a follower. 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

don'd panic

I like the way you think. No matter what, I'm with Mitt

Actually my dream VP would

Actually my dream VP would be Cheney :) Just for the shock and panic from the left.

I think Romney would do well to not pick a politican as his running mate...esp since he is running as an outsider. There are plenty of strong conservatives out there to choose from.

Is this the end of a

Is this the end of a conservative Republican Party???

For this election cycle, yes.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

Tragic

It is a sad day for the true conservatives in this country.

FRED IS OUT. ROMNEY IS IN!!

MY VOTE IN FLORIDA NOW GOES HAPPILY TO MITT ROMNEY. I HAVE NO THIRD CHOICE!

I will not vote for mccain or hucabee. The republicans i know will vote for Romney in the primary and some were going to even before Fred pulled out. Thank God he is keeping his powder dry and not indorseing anyone.

geeze

"Is this the end of a

"Is this the end of a conservative Republican Party???"

It may be the end of authentic conservatism (for this round), but I don't see any of these moderates running to the left - yet.

Is this the end of a conservative Republican Party???

Yep.   :( 

Time to reevaluate the other candidates.  I'm sure the MSM will eat this up and jump for joy.

that too

I'm sure the MSM will eat this up and jump for joy.

Don't forget how much joy (and death wishes) we will see on the 'liberal' blogs that his mother is sick.

D

Keep the ILLEGALS out, join NumbersUSA to send free faxes to your reps.

DFTT... The msm is giving

DFTT...

The msm is giving him more attention now than they ever have...even the put downs included when he first announced.

Of course they are happy...now.

They had better be careful...we have a long way to go yet.

Sniffle, sniffle,

Sniffle, sniffle, :-(  

That leaves Rudy or John McCain, I'll pick Rudy as the lessor of two evils.   I surely hope Rudy wins the Florida primary...

I hope the averg Repub voter sees the problems with Huckabee and Romney, I don't want to have to see which comes first if I have to vote for either of these two, passing out or nose bleeds.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

So you'd pick a child killer

So you'd pick a child killer over a PRO-LIFE, ANTI- HOMOSEXUAL RIGHTS, war hero, who's tax and immigration policies you disagree with? That says a lot about you, who's the RHINO now? For your information and the information of a lot of the FAKE REPUBLICANS on this blog, the Republican Party platform which you can read here.....http://www.gop.com/images/2004platform.pdf

Speaks against abortion yet you doofus' are contemplating an abortion supporter like Romney as your president. See his lies on this issue below. For the racists on this blog, the Platform of the Republican party doesn't say ONE WORD about KICKING ILLEGAL ALIENS OUT.  Perhaps because Republicans above all others, have been financially benefitting from them being here! But it does say that this party is the PRO-LIFE party. So it's is YOU PEOPLE who are the RHINO'S as you consider either a lying abortion supporter (Romney) or a truthful abortion supporter in Guiliani.  And don't give me that Dope Addict Limbaugh nonsense about  "what can a President do about abortion or gay marriage, nothing, but he CAN give us tax relief". That drug addled moron wouldn't know morality if he fell over it. Out of the treasures of the heart the mouth speaketh and tax cuts are all that 's on his mind!  THIS is the lying morass of position switches and garbage you support by supporting Romney the Untruthful. 

 Here's a snippet of a great article by Joe Farah over at WND, find something to disagree with and then when you CAN'T, figure out wrong with you, that you support this (my dad marched with King) lying phony. Bold mine.

"Romney claims he had something of a Damascus Road conversion on abortion during his governorship as he studied the issue of embryonic stem cell research. As the legend has it, he decided in a moment of wrestling with his morality that both were wrong.

Left out of that official version of events, however, is this little tidbit: Romney still – to this day – owns stock in two companies involved in embryonic stem cell research.

Now, keep in mind, it was less than three years ago that Romney "saw the light" on the issue of life.

"In considering the issue of embryo cloning and embryo farming, I saw where the harsh logic of abortion can lead to the view of innocent new life as nothing more than research material or commodity," he said.

In other words, Romney claims to have awakened to the harsh realities of abortion by studying the issue of embryonic stem cell research.lol.

First, from a logical standpoint, this makes no sense. If you can't see why stabbing an unborn baby in the head with a pair of scissors is an overtly evil act, I don't think any amount of study of embryonic stem cell research will awaken your sense of moral outrage. But that's what Romney would like us to believe. After all, he's got to explain why he discovered so late in his public life that people have an inherent right to life.

But now we're supposed to believe this gazillionaire, worth about $250 million, didn't even bother to examine his own financial portfolio to see how he was actively supporting the killing of unborn babies with his own investments.

Or, are we supposed to believe this was just an oversight? If so – if this guy is so cavalier about his own investments – how are we supposed to trust him with the federal budget

 

 

Now let's move on to the flipperoos that escaped Ann Coulter's attention:

 

  • Immigration: As late as last year, the candidate who now ridicules amnesty proposals said: "I don't believe in rounding up 11 million people and forcing them at gunpoint from our country. With these 11 million people, let's have them registered, know who they are. Those who've been arrested or convicted of crimes shouldn't be here; those that are here paying taxes and not taking government benefits should begin a process toward application for citizenship, as they would from their home country.'' Wasn't that pretty much the Bush party line?
  • Gun control: He supported bans on so-called "assault weapons." He supported the Brady bill. He spurned the National Rifle Association. As late as 2002, he was still defending Massachusetts' confiscatory gun laws. But, last year, he joined the NRA and claimed to favor easing licensing requirements. ( Timing suspicious? Apparently not to you KOOL AID DRINKERS! btw what was going on last year that would make ROMNEY THE LIAR join the NRA I forget, OH, THAT'S RIGHT HE STARTED RUNNING FOR POTUS!)
  • Minimum wage: In 1994, he opposed an increase, but offered as a compromise tying a hike to the rate of inflation. By 2002, he supported an increase. In 2006, he vetoed an increase. Like some other notable politicians of the recent past, he was against it before he was for it, before he was against it.
  • Same-sex marriage: In 1994, he opposed the federal marriage amendment and promised to help establish "full equality for America's gays and lesbians." In 2002, he provided legal recognition to same-sex couples in Massachusetts, even though he was not required to do so under a state Supreme Judicial Court ruling, as he has suggested (LIED). As governor, he even threatened to fire officials who would not issue same-sex marriage licenses and perform civil ceremonies. Yet, now, in 2007, he miraculously supports the federal marriage amendment.
  • Homosexuals in the military: In 1994, he supported "don't ask, don't tell," saying it was a step toward "gays and lesbians being able to serve openly and honestly in our nation's military." Today he claims he doesn't want to change the policy to permit homosexuals from serving openly in the military.
  • Tax cutting: In 1994, he opposed a cut in the capital gains tax. In 2002, he refused to sign a "no new taxes" pledge. In 2007, he claims to support a cut in capital gains taxes. He has taken the "no new taxes" pledge. And he says he supports making President Bush's tax cuts permanent."

 In the age of fetal imaging, where every one with any serious political interests have SEEN PICTURES of BABIES SUCKING THEIR FINGERS IN THE WOMB, we're supposed to believe that Romney the Liar was moved by CELLS ON A FRIGGIN' SLIDE?????!!!!! How you people can rail against a religious man or a war hero who had a couple of policies you didn't like, which were UPHELD by SCOTUS by the way, in favor of a LIAR who would tell you whatever you want to hear at the moment is beyond me. 

That leaves Rudy or John

That leaves Rudy or John McCain, I'll pick Rudy as the lessor of two evils.   I surely hope Rudy wins the Florida primary...

Now explain to me how I'm a Romney supporter?  I said the only two choices I see, IMO, are Rudy and John, if I'm forced to pick it will be Rudy.  McCain has betrayed the Repub Party multiple times in his so called maverick behavior and so I don't trust him.  Rudy, IMO is the most honest of the 4 liberals on the Repub side there is to choose from.  At least he doesn't spin the fact he was for abortion, I can agree to dissagree over that issue with Rudy based on his stated commitment to appoint only conservative judges.  If Rudy is man enough not to spin the abortion issue, then he is man enough to stand by his word about appointing judges who won't legislate from the bench.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

Keith, you really need to chill out. Seriously.

All that hate is going to burn you up someday. I can see it dripping throughout your post.

I have as yet not made up my mind about Mitt. Still researching him.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

http://www.bizzyblog.com/200

http://www.bizzyblog.com/2008/01/03/one-more-time-why-is-it-objectively-unfit-mitt/ Some grist for your research, not everyone will agree with the findings. 

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

Yes!!!

It is the end! 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

Sad day for me as I have

Sad day for me as I have posted elsewhere already...

We must trudge on and defeat one of the leftist 3 Stooges...by hook or by crook...

We cannot let them take over all three branches of govt. we have so much to lose if we do...the Senate is spooky enough to at least try to keep the gains at a minimum there are 21 or 22 vacancies or are up for reelection.

I will always vote...always.

No matter how discouraged I get.

bigtimer...you had all

bigtimer...you had all three branches for six years.  Where did that get you?

Jer

Jer... We haven't been

Jer...

We haven't been attacked  since 9/11 plus we have made major progress in the Supreme Court...for starters.

How long should we give the "New Deal" jer ?

Can we pack it in yet?

Thompson is a Broker....he has votes to pass along

Thompson has voters behind him, he can "Endorse" and pass along votes, along with His plank in the Platform.

Matter - - Occupies space, and has weight -- Thompson matters.

"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp"  Doug Giles

If Fred's out...why Giuliani and Romney should be next...

"President Giuliani: My worst nightmare"

http://www.worldnetd...

I expect she could write a simular article about Romney who was "for abortion, before I was against it"

v

35 years - 40,000,000 and counting

You boy Huckleberry will be

You boy Huckleberry will be next!

McCain???????

Holy crud. McCain?? Oh my God. When the media loves one of our candidates I recoil.

Rudy maybe but McCain absolutly NO WAY!

Are you guys kidding

Are you guys kidding me!

The only reason Fred has had to drop out is because he never tried! He wanted to stay above it all. That's not how it works in today's society. I like Fred, but he simply did not put the effort in this he should have.

That has NOTHING to do with the conservative movement. Fred didn't start it, and he won't end it. The guy is a bad campaigner. Nothing more, nothing less.

At this point, we have several choices, whine like a bunch of losers, go hide under our pillows, and hope like hell the Socialists don't turn this county into the USSR, or get behind our nominee, and send them back to hell!

I for one am not about to cede one centimeter to these sons of bitches!

Go Mitt Romney!!!!!!!!!

Gary P and Delsa.... I

Gary P and Delsa....

I Second your sentiments!

Gary...

You are just repeating what the media told everyone. I followed Fred from day one, and I was witness to one hard working candidate.

I understand you not wanting to give them "one damn centimeter" so why on earth would you vote for a RINO? That's like giving up major yardage. 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

No Panic here

Fred was a conservative. As a conservative that is why i was disappointed.

That having been said, GO MITT GO

Well, that is just great! The last conservative is out.

Now we have six tax-raising liberals in the race for president.

Think I will go have a beer. Or four.

-While I can still afford to actually buy the stuff.....

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

I am genuinely sad. I guess

I am genuinely sad. I guess i'm an optomist in that I felt he had a fighting chance after the farce that had been the "republican" primaries so far. My rose colored glass have been shattered. I think this country is in a heap of trouble. We need a strong person and frankly I don't know who that is anymore.

Go Mitt and thank God for Tennis

All I can say is, Thank God the Austrailian Tennis Open is on. I need a place to hide form the talking heads

Me too, Delsa...some great

Me too, Delsa...some great tennis.  Did you see any of the Hewitt-Baghdadis match that lasted until almost 5:00 a.m. Aussie time a couple of days ago?

Jer

WTH, Didn't the

WTH,

Didn't the conservative Republican party already reach its end 8 years ago?

W's not conservative at all.

Leon...

For once I agree with you.

I knew we were in trouble when he first started using the term 'compassionate conservative'.

However, I back him 100% on the GWOT. 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

CT, Good to see we can

CT,

Good to see we can agree on something :)

GWOT is a myth.  Otherwise we'd actually be going after terrorists and terrorist supporters instead of just sitting back and letting them do whatever they want.  See Pakistan for prime example.

GWOT is nothing more than a bumper sticker. 

Gee, I don't know, Leon.

Aside from their re-taking of many parts of Europe and Asia, the Islamo-supremecists are making sizable inroads with our neighbors to the north, as they now have the Canadian government prosecuting those who do not seem to see the things the way the Islamists do.

And I will not even bother to get into what the CAIR crowd is up to right here in our own country.

I'd say the GWOT is rolling right along, and the Islamo-supremecists are winning.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

That's an interesting take

That's an interesting take RD,

I hadn't even thought of that. 

(I haven't spoken much with you but just a note:  I find Christianity and Islam to be equally as threatening to my freedom and I'd be happy as punch if they both disappeared forever)

But are those the terrorists that we are supposed to be fighting?

The issues with the Canadian government were not achieved through the use of terror tactics, were they?

I think of terrorists exclusively as groups of people that use violence to achieve their goals.  If they're exacting change through courts, legislation, petitioning, whatever, then they aren't terrorists.

Leon...

I find Christianity ... to be equally as threatening to my freedom

Christianity INVENTED and CREATED your freedom!

WTH, No it didn't. 

WTH,

No it didn't.  That's ridiculous.  Great men created my freedom.  God didn't defeat the British, Americans did.

Furthermore, I'll bet all those people that died during the Salem Witch Trials would disagree with you. 

Think about the witch trials, then think about Huckabee talking about interpreting the Constitution within a theological context.  Now that's terrifying.

You go

You go Leon

vr is slightly off balance

Leon,

Apparently you have no idea where the ideas our founders got about freedom and liberty even came from! Let me give you a little hint... Christianity. Whether in answer to or based upon, they all came from the founder's experiences with Christianity. Without it, you'd have bubkiss.

warner your speach to Leon

Rooted in Christianity and Founded on FREEDOM FROM RELIGION.

NO RELIGIOUS STATE or TEST!!

This is the TRUTH. Do NOT twist it.

Delsa,

Freedom FROM religion? I hope you were being sarcastic. If so, then I apologize, but if you seriously think this you are obviously not worth bothering with. You'd be shown to be so completely uninformed that it would be a waste of time.

Like I said, I sure hope that was sarcasm. If so, then point taken!

Warner

Freedom OF Religion. Sad attempt to inject sarcasm.

 

Sorry. Naturally you do not have to bother with me at all. I think i will read for awhile

WTH, Wasn't Jefferson a

WTH,

Wasn't Jefferson a deist?

Leon,

He was not a "Deist" proper, but still, even if we decide he was... so what?

Being a deist does not mean he rejected all Christian ideas and then came up with a new system empty of all Christian influence!

The founders, even the ones that were not enamored of Christian orthodoxy as evinced in dogma and sects, did not and could not divorce themselves from hundreds of years of Christian influences and philosophies.

To imagine that our founders suddenly created something out of thin air is absurd and not very informed.

WTH, Obviously they were

WTH,

Obviously they were influenced by Christianity, but they were influenced by a lot of other sources/teachings too.   Greeks, Romans, etc. etc.

To claim that my freedom is a result of Christianity solely is just not accurate.

My freedom with regards to the founding fathers is the result of a bunch of smart guys putting their heads together to figure out a better way to do things.

Even they knew that Christianity/religion could be dangerous to the political process.

 

Of course, I never said that

Of course, I never said that it was somehow impossible for Christianity to be "dangerous to the political process."

But, you act as if it is a non factor in the freedoms we enjoy when it clearly is NOT. I maintain that without Christianity we would not have the freedoms as we now enjoy them.

I am talking Christianity as a whole, by the way. You are talking about sectionalism.

Uhmm, Leon, have you read

Uhmm, Leon, have you read John Locke's Treatise of Government? http://www.constitution.org/jl/2ndtreat.htm   Take a gander and tell me if you don't see his influence in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution? So what influenced John Locke?  Yeap, back to Christianity.

Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. dscott's corollary: The line between malice and stupidity is called depraved indifference.

Was Jefferson the only

Was Jefferson the only founding father?

They were learned men, who

They were learned men, who looked at Roman Philosophy and government, the Indian tribes that were their neighbors, but took most of their thoughts from the Old Testiment ( and some from the NEw ). Freedom as a God given right is a Christian idea.

It is an insult to history

It is an insult to history to say that they "looked to Indian tribes" for their philosophy!

My GOD that is a PCism empty of any truth whatsoever!

and yet it is based in

and yet it is based in fact, are you saying there was no influence of the neighboring governing bodies on our founding fathers? Give me a break.

They were influenced by it, as well as by Roman thought, and Greek, and for that matter Babylon... oh my! But I agree with you, that the majority of the influence came from the Old Testiment.

It is not based in any fact

It is not based in any fact whatsoever. There has never been any proof of this ridiculous Indian influence claim. Not a single founder wrote about such a thing. It didn't even show up as a theory until PCism began to run amuck in our fetid Universities.

It is unequivocally wrong that our Founders were influenced by any Indian tribes! Completely and utterly false. You have fallen for PC bullcrap.

I urge you to study this false claim closer.

Acually, he's right, Warner

Our founders did look everywhere for inspiration and one source was, supposedly, the Iroquoi Constitution. 

The theory is still debated, but instead of knee-jerk denial, you could look into it.  For example, Ben Franklin had a significant knowledge of Indian culture.  Is it so far-fetched that there could be a bit of influence on his thinking?

Yes, JR, it is far fetched.

Yes, JR, it is far fetched. There is absolutely not a single article of truth, no proof, no writings, no indicators that the Founders considered the Iroquoi Constitution as any sort of template. Nothing, zip, nada. All you have to "prove" this is the late claims of some kitschy, PC leaning "professors" who merely WANT it to be true.

No Founder ever wrote about this supposed influence. None. Not one.

These men wrote millions of pages about their ideas, plans, thoughts, hopes and philosophies and not a single one ever wrote about how they got their ideas from the Indians.

It is absolutely absurd to imagine that out of the hundreds of Founders in all the colonies over a 30 year span of the creation of our Republic that not ONE of them ever mentioned in those millions of letters, documents, laws, books, pamphlets and other writings that they got their ideas from the Indians.

It is just plain absurd to claim they did.

Are you dyslexic, Warner?

Can't get my initials straight?  For a guy who gets all huffy when others get your name wrong, your carelessness is interesting.....

Your emotional protestations indicate an elitist horror that the backward "Indians" could create a sophisticated constitution.  Believe it.  They did. 

Given the attitudes of the day toward the natives (not unlike yours, apparently), why is it so strange that our founders would stop short of including native ideas in their writings?

I've met Iroquois who absolutely believe there IS influence shown, and they know their constitution better than knee-jerk denialist white men like you.

"The seemingly knee-jerk reactions of many academics as well as serious journalists, as mentioned before, indicate strong feelings about the subject, and maybe even suggest that something more than the search for truth is at work. There is certainly a sense in this debate that 'academic turf' is being protected at the expense of truth."   (from the link I gave you that describes the debate from both sides)

You don't know much about

You don't know much about subtle mockery, do you JR?

Now, did you even bother to read the very link you provided as "proof" about this foolish Iroquis Constitution influence idea?

It pretty much shows that there isn't a shred of proof and that few serious researchers believe this PC junk!

And, no I never said a WORD about Indians being "backwards" or unsophisticated.

Please DO try to stick to the subject, will you? I know it's hard, but do try.

Grow up, Warner.

Is your deliberate reversal of my initials supposed to bother me?   How childish you are.   :^)

Your belief that native americans couldn't have been sophisticated enough to influence the American Constitution has been shown in your anger.  

Yes, I did read the link, although I doubt you have.  I gave it to you to show that there has been a debate on the subject and that it is in no way settled. In fact, I even gave you a quote that indicates a suspicion of "turf protection" on the subject.   Of course, YOU'VE provided nothing but your angry assertions.

Dude, your link is old, old

Dude, your link is old, old news and has been long ago discounted and seen to be balderdash. Just because you recently discovered it does not mean it isn't old news! I heard of this story years ago. At first it intrigued me. But, I have since found out it is PC garbage without the tiniest bit of evidence.

And again, you are being disingenuous to say I made ANY detractions or derisions of any Indian cultures.

Ah heck... why beat around the bush. You are a lair, plain and simple. And THAT is where my "anger" is directed.

You have not one shred of proof that I think any Indian cultures are unsophisticated... but then proof is obviously something you do not require to have a "feeling" about something.

Warner, you blow your emotional stack so quickly

...you're hardly any intellectual challenge at all.  "Liar?"  haha.   At least I got you to admit your anger this time....it's always boiling just beneath the surface, isn't it, Warner?  But maybe you're still seething over my schooling you back when you blew your lid over sports?   :^)

Yeah, I knew about this "constitution" idea many years ago, too.  Big deal.  What do you want, a 20-year pin? 

But still nothing except your angry assertions to refute the possibility that our founders may have picked up an idea or two from native americans?

You DO have a problem with

You DO have a problem with staying on a topic, don't you? The only way you can prove your argument is to provide a long ago debunked story and then to start implying I'm a racist.

Still, you presented all the proof I need to refute you in your own link! Why must I add more?

Please DO actually go read it... or have someone read it to you, er whatever. If you do, you'll see that there is nothing to this absurd claim of an Indian influence on the Founders.

And, yes, I did offer proof. In fact, I offered far more than you did.

Add a lack of reading comprehension to the list of your defects, there JR. Or should I go back to calling you RJ because it enrages you so much when I don't?

With love, Warren.

(edit to say, now I have to go to bed. See ya'all tomorrow.)

Tsk, tsk, Warner, so immature.....

All the childish insults....poor guy....you're really hung up on me ain't ya?   You bull, me matador....eh, toro...toro....

So I guess that's a "no" you can't provide a link to show that it's impossible for native americans to have had any influence on our constitution.

This is the most fun I've

This is the most fun I've had in days.

We need a pow-wow and a

We need a pow-wow and a peace pipe. And some of those nice blankets.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

Warner and I have a dysfunctional relationship

....I dis him and he pretends to function.

(rimshot!)    :^)

Seriously RJ

How is this guy allowed to be a blogger on here? Morphing into a screaming ball of rage when someone disagrees, calling a member names like "liar" simply for using an old link to suggest the possibility of something he didn't like?

The Constitution was not taken verbatim from the Bible. Yes, the Bible had a deep influence, but so did the Magna Carta, ancient Greek democracy, and some creative fanangling to get 13 states in agreement. WTH is making it sound like they walked into a church one day and *poof* the Constitution appeared.

Don't get me wrong, I fully realize that freedom really does come from God and that salvation through Christ is the ultimate freedom for people to find. And I know God played a hand in guiding our early leaders. But Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin did not invent democracy.

I think to claim there was

I think to claim there was absolutely no influence from the Iroquois Nation is absurd. But you are right, Warren shows lack of professionalism with the consumers here. It is Warren's job to prove to RJ and others that his assertion is correct, not the other way around. And just stating there is a lack of evidence in the founding fathers writings is not proof, neither is the emotional logic that it came from PC, therefore it must be discounted.

It would of been more professional to assert it as opinion than as fact if he can't prove it.

It is my understanding that one of the reasons why we do things different in Congress than how England does things in Parliment is because of the influence of the Iroquois.

Well CV

I'm not sure if they consciously borrowed from the Iroquois per se, but it's a bit revisionist to say "the Indians" had no influence on America. George Washington fought alongside them in the French and Indian war. They helped us grow crops, navigate rivers, everything. And of course the founding fathers were not going to credit them. At that time most thought of the natives as heathens anyway.

And yes, after reading the exchange I do agree with RJ - WTH came off as saying America didn't need any help from those dumb Indians. I'm sure he didn't mean it that way, but that is the way it sounded.

 

I call it "bear baiting". 

Edit-edit: Screw it.  I want to keep my streak going.

I'm so knee-jerk forgiving that sometimes it nauseates me.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

Ack!

Well I dunno all about the history they have, I was just basing that on the few conversations I had read.

It's cool.  I took it

It's cool.  I took it back. 

But I don't think you have any idea how low some so-called conservatives are willing to go until you cross them. 

It's very tiring and detrimental to the board, since he's such a "high profile" member.

-PJ

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07

That's cowardly, trach

Candance's response shows that you made lengthy derogatory remarks about me, but then took them out before I had a chance to defend myself. 

I can only guess at what you said, but in all cases, it's been Warner who has attacked me.  Instead of becoming angry, I admit that I respond by laughing at him.  Would you prefer I respond to him in kind?

Leon,

Terror is but won of many weapons they possess. Remember, they are very patient. They can win through slow attrition just as assuredly as they can through force.

Look at the birthrates in Western Europe, and in other places today. The only people really having children over there are Muslims. The name Muhammed is now the second most popular name in Great Britain. One or two more generations of that and it's over for them.

All the Islamo-supremecists have to really do is wait. After all, they have waited for 1400 years. What is a couple hundred more?

Western society is beginning to die out. We ourselves are going to be in the same boat not too far down the road, but our problem won't be with Muslims so much as with illegal immigration and their offspring that are born here. Mexican culture is very family oriented. Ours no longer is, not to the extent that it once was, anyway. Last I checked, their birthrate was far higher than American's.

If that trend continues unchanged......

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Ok Leon...

I back him 100% on the GWOT myth.

You feel better now? 

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/ 

Actually Leon, it was ten years ago.

Some might even say it was 1988.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

Fair Enough RD, The point

Fair Enough RD,

The point is, it's been long dead.

Leon,

If it didn't reach its end 8 years ago, it sure did today.

WTH, Did you really ever

WTH,

Did you really ever think Thompson had a chance?

The guy was the least visible candidate I've ever seen. 

I saw Bill Richardson more than I saw Thompson.

WTH

Leon you mean you actually "saw" the "least visible candidate"?

You have greast eye sight

Ugh that was painful to

Ugh that was painful to read.

1)  Thanks, I do have tremendous eyesight.  20/10.

2)  I said least visible, not INvisible.

 

i'm dyslexic

Oh. I miss read

Leon,

Yes, I felt Thompson had a chance. That is why I supported him.

As to who I vote fr now... well, probably no one. It may be that I only vote for the billets down the ticket and leave president empty for the first time ever.

I see no other GOP candidate that has any respect for conservative views, so I see no reason to respect their candidacy.

WTH, Finally somebody

WTH,

Finally somebody speaks some reason around here.  This one goes out to all the Mitt fair weather fans.  Better jump on board before his creepy religion sinks his chances.

Best quote of the day, nay best quote of the primaries:

I see no other GOP candidate that has any respect for conservative views, so I see no reason to respect their candidacy.

I'm hearing ya Clear thinker

You are so right in what you say. I only wish Fred had with drawn, if he was going to, AFTER the first true Republician primary. I believe he and Mitt Romney would have done very well. Now i think it is Mitt first and a toss up between Rudy and Huck.

I will take Rudy over the huck anyday with Romney now #1

Kind of funny

I remember chatting on here during the last GOP debate and saying I liked Mitt Romney. Everyone lambasted me for it - he looks too slick, he's a RINO like the rest of them, he sounds like a car salesman, he's too scripted, etc.

Now people are running to him as the last line of defense.

Candance, That's what

Candance,

That's what happens when all you care about is beating your political enemies instead of supporting the candidate that believes in your principles.

Wow Leon, here we go again agreeing...

"That's what happens when all you care about is beating your political enemies instead of supporting the candidate that believes in your principles." Leon

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"Faith doesn't just influence me. It really defines me. I don't have to wake up every day wondering what do I need to believe," Huckabee says in the ad. "Let us never sacrifice our principles for anybody's politics. Not now, not ever."

"That's what happens when

"That's what happens when all you care about is beating your political
enemies instead of supporting the candidate that believes in your
principles."

No, that's what happens when you wake up and face life in the real world. You play the game with the cards you're dealt. If the only thing that mattered was finding someone who was 100% in agreement with my principles, I would write my own name in, because I'm the only person in existence that shares my principles 100%. If you're going to throw away your vote, who better to waste it on than yourself?

Though our current candidates aren't 100% in line with my principles, the dem candidates are 0% in line with my principles. Anyone who says our "RINO" candidates are identical to the dems aren't paying attention. And that's why I'll be voting (R) no matter who our candidate is.

Sadly, though, with so many "principled" conservatives around, not even Ronald Reagan would qualify as the next Ronald Reagan today. Don't worry though, they'll have the next 16 years to find the perfect conservative candidate, not that it will matter much by then.

Speaking of principles, I wonder how principled a starving vegetarian lost in the wilderness would be if his partner offered him some of the deer, rabbit, fish, etc he caught? I guess the truly principled vegetarian would choose death over eating meat; the smart vegetarian would eat that meat and live to be a vegetarian another day.

Who knows though. Maybe "conservative" is latin for "we pretend to hate dems but we secretly love them, especially that Clinton guy". May as well be because you're about to get 8 years of the Clinton gal, followed by 8 years of that Obama dude.

 

Actually, the word

Actually, the word Republican is Latin for "we pretend we are different than the dems but we really aren't any different at all."

Vote for Rudy, Huckabee, Romney or McCain and you will find that out in VERY short order.

Canwaltz......that's what happens when..

Candance that's what happens (Romney switch) when time passes and one investigates the background and does Research....the MSM propaganda is identified.

Would you Judge George Bush as "Pro-Abortion" just because he was president while Abortion was Legal in the USA ?

Besides, most of the information I had on Mitt (not living in Mass.) was the MSM Mormon label that the MSM was pushing ad nauseum.

I don't understand Mitt's position on Healthcare in Mass., or how it works in Mass., that is info to be determined....but if Mitt is good enough for Ann Coulter, he's good enough for me.

"Barack Obama is a Powerful Speaker—And so is My Bose Bass Amp"  Doug Giles

Well JayTee

I would agree with you if the change hadn't happened so fast. Romney has been running since before Fred was. People have had plenty of time to look him up but it was easier to buy into the media's spin.

I don't really like Romney all that much, but I've been saying for a while he'd end up filling the gap as Plan B. I do believe him for flip flopping on abortion because anyone can have a "Damascus Road" moment, and furthermore in this election he didn't need to become pro-life to get the nod anyway. So I tend to believe it's legit.

But as for healthcare, spending, etc he's a total