American Idol Contestant Mocked for Christian Beliefs by Idol Host

American Idol Contestant Mocked for Christian Beliefs by Idol Host

By Warner Todd Huston (Bio | Archive)
Mon, 01/21/2008 - 19:32 ET

Now, I have never seen this show, so you'll have to excuse me if I am misunderstanding the whole American Idol "thing," OK? As I seem to recall, the deal is that you sing for a washed up 80s pop star, a fat guy no one ever heard of and some English dude and they rate you on your talent. Right? Or is it that they are supposed to rate you on your sex life and moral beliefs? Because, it seems that host Ryan Seacrest has given some unwanted "advice" to a recent contestant that offered that at 19 he'd never kissed a girl. In response, Seacrest told him to "go kiss some girls," and hoped that once he came back to audition again he'd "come back less a boy and more a man." This did not amuse contestant Bruce Dickson who says the reason he'd never kissed a girl was because of his Christian moral convictions.

So, is being a Christian with closely held moral convictions now a disqualifying thing to be a proper contestant on TV's American Idol? If Seacrest has anything to say about it, it would seem so.

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CNSnews is reporting the outrageous mocking of Dickson's religious morals.

When the 19-year-old from Bastrop, Texas, was asked to share something about himself, he said he'd never kissed a girl.

"What?" Randy Jackson asked. "On purpose?"

"On purpose," Dickson said. "I want to save everything for that one special woman. On my wedding day, that will be my first kiss."

Jackson's advice to Dickson after the judges sent him packing: "Go kiss some girls."

Simon Cowell, eyebrows raised, told him cryptically: "Avoid Ryan (Seacrest) on the way out."

Seacrest himself ended the segment featuring Dickson with these words: “Maybe next year he’ll come back less a boy and more a man.”

Is this what a singer on American Idol signs up for? Somehow I doubt that Seacrest would make so much fun of a girl that told them she had been with 20 guys by the time she was 19.

For his part, Bruce Dickson is standing true to his principles. He told CNSnews that,“a real man would rather wait than just do whatever with whoever."

Good for him not to let these immoral, blowhards to shake him from his ideals.

Of course, we all know that this is an attack on both Christianity and homeschooling.

Dickson said his family is Christian and attends a non-denominational church. He and his siblings are home-schooled. Dickson did attend two Christian schools in high school so that he could play sports. He was crowned homecoming king in his senior year at Vacaville High School, in Vacaville, Calif.

Fortunately, Dickson isn't going to let this all get him down. He's said he'll continue to try for a singing career and his beliefs aren't to be shaken by the loose morals of a Ryan Seacrest. And young Mr. Dickson is fortunate to have a family that is there to help him.

"I think of myself as a regular guy...This is an important thing for me, and I knew I might not be able to handle it on my own, so I asked my father to help me."

So, good for this young man and I wish him luck on his future endeavors.

Now, I have one last question. Does Ryan Seacrest really have any discernible talent?

Anyone?

Beuller?

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I've never seen "Idol"

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 19:49 ET by motherbelt

I've never seen "Idol" either (Warner you and I are probably the only two in the country LOL).

And once again, I'm certain that I'm not missing a darn thing.

I'm not missing a darn thing

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 19:52 ET by drillanwr

I dread having taken the time and watched all of last season ... my first and ONLY and LAST.

It WAS a lesson in exactly WHY the "popular vote" should NEVER be used in our Presidential elections ...

Having said that, I find Seacrest a mouse among rats in Hollywood ...

Motherbelt,

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:00 ET by Warner Todd Huston

I am proud to admit that I have never in my life watched a "reality show" (including American Idol) nor have I ever once done an illegal drug.

Never.

Ever.

And I don't plan to.

However, it may be true that an intoxicating drug is not much different than a reality show! So my admission might be redundant here.

WTH -

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:15 ET by drillanwr

Illegal drugs ...

Reality shows WILL lead you straight to them.

I'm with you

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:19 ET by ToddonCapeCod

I've never seen "Idol," either and after reading this, am more likely than ever to never watch it.
In fact, the more popular a program it becomes, the less likely I will ever tune in.

Three - I've never seen it

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 12:30 ET by misterbee241

Three - I've never seen it either.

There is none so blind as they that won’t see. Jonathan Swift 1667-1745

→ Misterbee

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 12:34 ET by Cool Arrow

You'll find more innuendo in reruns of "Everybody Loves Raymond".

Thankfully, HIV/AIDS has now become a chronic disease - Hillary Clinton

The mass media has always

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 19:52 ET by mostlymoderate

The mass media has always ridiculed Christian beliefs. Movies, music, magazines and television. I never understood why.

Shakin' my head...

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:04 ET by Syrius

WTH,

'Idol' for all of its idiocy, has been on the TeeVee for how many years & you have never seen it?!? I guess with this site you can yell at the screen, the same way most of us do at 'Idol' and the rest of the slop presented to the masses...

I've found myself asking my wife- why, why are we watching this mindless crap? Oh, well...

It's just a comment and kudos to you for keepin' your mind sharp while I go into brain lock...

NOTE- Please Mr. Murdoch, I know you're making butt loads o'money but have you no decency??? Get rid of it PLEASE!

Syrius

Get a grip Warner!

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:04 ET by IamTinman

Ryan is a product of Los Angeles/Hollywood/the entertainment business, and as such is very likely to have no discernable skills. As far as Paula, Randy, and Simon, you may possibly be right, but trashing people that you don't know is about as unchristian as it gets. Sorta makes you like Seacrest.

Just remember that it wasn't all that long ago that most christian people were married and starting families long before the age of 19.

I saw the show. That comment was not terribly derogatory, and most certainly not some sort of "attack" on either home schooling or christianity. It was a surprised comment made by someone with very little frame of reference. So get that twist out of your knickers and lighten up.

Anti-Christian

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:14 ET by iveseenitall

Thanks for pointing out anti-Christian bias wherever it exists, Warner. Keep up the good work.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

IamTinman

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:15 ET by Warner Todd Huston

... interesting how you just told me not to trash people I don't know.... then you felt it okiedokie to trash me... who you don't know.

Cool, huh?

okiedokie?

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:42 ET by IamTinman

Warner, I trashed no one. I just pointed out how hypocritical you were being and gave you some friendly advice.

You said you had never watched the show and didn't know anything about the judges, but were perfectly willing to denigrate 3 people that you wouldn't know if you met them on the street.

I on the other hand have read your articles, agreeing with you on some and disagreeing on others. This is one of the "others".

Judge Not that ye be not judged!

You are very confused. First

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:51 ET by Warner Todd Huston

You are very confused. First of all the Bible does NOT require that we go through life not "judging" others. Second of all, you don't know me ANY better than I know Ryan Seacrest!!

Nice try at spin, though. Keep trying. You might make a good Democrat one day.

Sorry, I don't mean to be

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:32 ET by AJ

Sorry, I don't mean to be super nerdy by starting some Bible debate, but here is a verse I live by as best I can:

Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no ttention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in our own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

Matt 7:3-5

I take it as meaning that you shouldn't be critical of fellow Christians without first being sure that you have no problems yourself.

Just a thought... from a fellow Christian, Tinman.

ducks

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:34 ET by candance

Happen to agree that this was a hit piece with very little context.

My mother is a fan of Idol

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 08:15 ET by BobAnthony

My mother is a fan of Idol no end. She just needs to be home, get her bath in early and take care of any little things before that TV goes on for the program, one I myself do not watch.

Now Seacrest is from the South--Atlanta to be exact. And I think he worked at WSTR--Star 94 there. His first TV gig was hosting the teen gameshow Click, created by the late Merv Griffin in the late 1990's.

You know, if you ask me Seacrest fits the mold of the Metrosexual--or as we Real Americans call him--A GIRLIE MAN!

Not looking to create a theocracy here, but for Seacrest to do such a thing like this shows how severely our culture has fallen into hell. A little help from God sure would help..and certainly not Allah!

Try watching some of the

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:21 ET by the struggler

Try watching some of the later rounds after they wittle down the competition.Some of these people are EXCELLENT singers and very enjoyable to watch.Ignore Seacrest,he's a jerk.As for the judges,it seems kind of condescending to belittle them when you've never watched the show.I think they do a pretty good job.Again, some of the talent on this show is outstanding.

My daughter says the best

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:35 ET by motherbelt

My daughter says the best episodes are the first ones. She and my husband loved to watch them and hoot at the embarrassingly untalented people. She says they always show the worst ones ones that they've gotten rid of.

And the show is going downhill; I read that the past season was way down. I can't escape getting tidbits about it here and there, and it will be interesting to see if they come up with a new gimmick to liven things up.

Reading the wrong columns Mother.

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:56 ET by IamTinman

Thanks to the writers strike and the lack of new shows, Mr Murdochs company has raised the advertising rate for "Idol" from last years $600,000 per minute (about $12 million per hour) to $900,000 +(about $36 million for a two hour show). Last week they had 2 two hour shows.

The only higher rate is for the Super Bowl. I don't think they are going to mess with an incredibly profitable formula.

This was last April This

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:40 ET by motherbelt

This was last April

This was last week.

Murdoch isn't in it for viewership,

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 02:37 ET by IamTinman

He's in it for the money. I can pretty much guarantee that he will take a small drop in the number of viewers if he can make more money.

In TV world viewership =

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:05 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love

In TV world viewership = money.

So, it follows that if you have fewer viewers, you will make less money.

I don't understand how you think more money can be made with a drop in viewership. Please enlighten me.

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." --Robert A. Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon", 1942

It would be based primarily

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:48 ET by Hero Squad

It would be based primarily on the drop being felt on other shows. If AI can maintain 90%* of its audience from the previous year, while other networks are losing 50%* or more due to a lack of original/quality programming, he can, in effect, increase his prices based on a widening gap between this show and others.

*(percentages are for illustration and not actual.)

*****

"People only insist that a debate stop when they are afraid of what might be learned if it continues." - George Will

O.K. That makes

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 13:02 ET by Mean Gene Dr. Love

O.K. That makes sense.

Now my next questions for Iam Tinman is: So what if Murdoch's motivation is money? That's why he does what he does right? Is there something morally wrong about maximizing profits? Isn't that what his shareholders expect him to do?

Why do you work? For the money? How is that different from Murdoch (or Branson, Gates, Soros, Jobs, Turner, Winfrey, etc, etc, etc.)?

See this column: http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/08/greedneedandmoney.htm

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." --Robert A. Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon", 1942

Methinks you misunderstood Mean Gene,

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 22:15 ET by IamTinman

A comment was made that viewership was down and that AI may be done for. I just pointed out that viewership wasn't Murdochs goal, revenue was! Usually viewership equals revenue, but in this years market IDOL is able to increase revenue while suffering a slight decline in viewers.

I both:

a.) Happen to like the show

b.) Wholeheartedly support the idea of maximizing profit as I own a business myself.

LMAO!!

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:22 ET by Khyris

Advice on how to become "more of a man"....

.... coming from Ryan Seacrest?!?!??! LOLOLOLOL

I think I'd get better tax advice from Helen Keller. Yes, I know she's dead.

Ryan Seacrest and kissing girls?

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:27 ET by SATerp

This is really TOO easy, regarding Ryan Seacrest and kissing girls. Needless to say, as rumor has it, he might not be of much help in advising this contestant about HOW to kiss girls.

Warner.I've read Tinmans

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:30 ET by the struggler

Warner.I've read Tinmans post a couple of times and I can't see where he trashed you.Maybe if he called you washed up and fat,but he didn't.Seems like he made a good point.

anti-Christian bias

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:54 ET by iveseenitall

Thanks again for pointing out anti-Christian bias in the media, Warner.You do a great job.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

Does Seacrest have any

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:47 ET by balboa

Does Seacrest have any talent? You try hosting that show. Then get back to me.

Good for him not to let these immoral, blowhards to shake him from his ideals.

You can't see me, but I'm rolling my eyes.

Of course, we all know that this is an attack on both Christianity and homeschooling.

If you want it to be.

Thanks, Warner

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:06 ET by iveseenitall

None so blind as those who will not see. They are blind when they want to be, aren't they.

NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"

You can't see what's not

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:07 ET by balboa

You can't see what's not there. This is a ridiculous article about a completely innocuous moment.

Cut Seacrest some slack.

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:51 ET by tomchris

As a fan of the show and this website I don't think Seacrest had any malicious intentions. While I'm sure many here would applaud the young man's values, not kissing ANY girls until wedlock and wearing that fact on his sleeve or, in this case, around his neck, did seem to me somewhat extreme. (For the non Idol fans, the man shared a chain with his dad symbolizing his yet to be fullfilled heart. His Dad! Does that make your heart swell or creep you out?). Seacrest played the moment with a wink, wink- not a Whack! Whack!

In the land of sex, drugs, and sheer moonbattiness, Seacrest is a class act.

Yup. It had nothing to do

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:55 ET by balboa

Yup. It had nothing to do with his Christian values. It was because it's hard to believe he's never kissed a girl...on purpose. And those key and heart lockets were heart-warming, and yet really creepy.

Reality TV

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 20:57 ET by doug1950

I will admit to watching the first "Survivors" but haven't watched but a couple epiodes since. First off, if they really wanted to make it Reality some of the winners would never had made it past day one. I don't have to watch any of them as my wife watches them and feels compelled to give me a SITREP (Situation report) even after I tell her I am not the least bit interested. Like someone else mentioned, I find myself coming to my senses when they come on, wonder aloud why am I watching this mindless drivel and leave the area. The few times I have seen Idol, it was so bad I left due to acute embarassement for the contestant. Some folks have zero singing ability but some family member lied their a** off and told them they did. Now, as to Mr Seacreast, I doubt he has much talent in that area either. What exactly is his talent?

I watched this episode and

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:00 ET by crumii

I watched this episode and saw this particular audition. I didn't think the comments by Ryan Seacrest were that bad. It seemed like he was just poking fun, although I sort of felt sorry for the kid. Anyway, I find it interesting that so many people are proud to say that they've never watched an episode of American Idol. It's a show that my whole family can sit down and watch together and laugh hysterically. I think that's a good thing. Of course after the no-talent singers are gone, my daughters lose interest.

Thanks Warner,

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:17 ET by JAB

because I don't watch AI either. After watching (some of) the dimocratic debate and taking a badly needed shower, this post was sorely needed. This young man will go far in life, I would venture to guess farther than seacrust ever has. Stick to your morals my man and consider a singing career with a christian band, at least you would be in better company.

"Too bad Ignorance isn't painful..."

I agree, kinda

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:27 ET by Mike Hammer

I agree there was some anti-Christian bias in how they reacted, but you can't deny the creepy-ness of that kid and his dad.

I did the same kind of thing until I met my wife, but I never had a key and heart combo with my dad; It was between me and God and my future wife. The relationship the kid and his dad had made me feel ... awkward. Because of that, I made fun of him too.

I watch Idol

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:50 ET by candance

Judging from the comments posted here, I guess that puts me somewhere between a pothead and a heathen. I do admit it, it kinda bothers me for someone who doesn't watch the show to offer critcism with no content.

I saw the episode where Ryan said that and it didn't come off to me as that big a deal. Many contestants who believed in God have spoken with Ryan about their faith and he has always been nice about it. Ryan meant that particular comment as a joke.

You also have to consider, the guy said he felt that way because his dad was a big influence on him and his dad even showed up at the audition with him. Since the guy was almost into his 20s Ryan felt like maybe he relied on his dad too much.

The show really does find some talented people and also a lot who are outspoken Christians. In fact, a couple seasons ago one guy auditioned and mentioned Jesus Christ and Randy Jackson told the guy to preach it to Simon.

Ryan Seacrest is paid to be an emcee which he does well enough and he doesn't go around making fun of "untalented" bloggers.

"doesn't....make fun of 'untalented' bloggers" Lol, Candance!

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:58 ET by RJ

I watch it, too. It's a variety show, for goodness sakes. As your effective jab points out, you have to be something of a pretentious, judgmental snob to claim there's something wrong with a little light entertainment.

That would be true if it

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:13 ET by doug1950

That would be true if it were entertaining. I just do not find it to be so. If it floats your boat rock on. Like I said, my wife watches them all but then she is easily entertained.

Youse must be one a them pretentious, judgmental snobs

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:19 ET by RJ

I heerd about...one a dem guys dat's not so "easily entertained."

BTW, your all italics post makes your words really impressive.

:^)

rolls eyes

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:28 ET by candance

easily entertained = code talk for stupid.

Wrong

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:43 ET by doug1950

She is interested in absolutely everything. Has more hobbies than the law allows. Can watch 4 hours of jewelry on QVC and have the best time. Just a happy person. And she is smarter than a whip. Please do not put words in my mouth. Thanks

RJ

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:37 ET by doug1950

Just the opposite...I think. We did not have a television most of my childhood for various reasons so I never developed an affection for the tube. One of the major reasons I do not like watching those kinds of shows is people who think they have talent when in fact they are completely devote of any makes me uncomfortable to watch. Watching someone make a fool of themself gets up the crack of my behind about a foot and half and I have to leave. Some people like musicals. I'd rather have my knee drained than sit through 10 mins of a musical. My brother in law loves show tunes!!! Still haven't made up my mind about him but I watch him real close. And I apparently have a program in NB that prints in italics unless I tell it not to and I am too damn lazy to click it off every time

Take it easy Doug....no explanation needed.

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:46 ET by RJ

Just having a little fun. Even with your "easily entertained" slap, I didn't take offense....but your wife may not be so forgiving....I suggest flowers. :^)

candance...

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:01 ET by Clear thinker

American Idol is a mainstay in our house. It's one of those shows that I can sit down with my graddaughter and watch together without the normal cuss-a-thon or lowly crap that other programs have. A.I. is at least family friendly.

My granddaughter and I have watched every single show except the first season because it's one of the few shows I will allow her to watch. She's now 14 and very impressionable, so I decide what we watch.

Rush Limbaugh stated that of the top 5 Republicans running for the presidency, only one was a true conservative. http://www.fred08.com/

exactly Clear

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:27 ET by candance

It's harmless entertainment with no cussing, violence, nudity or despite popular opinion on here, no blatant attempts to insult anyone.

Not quite...

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:44 ET by ontheright

Inuendo is a dangerous tool and oft times stealth by nature...those who are "easily entertained" should not worry however...they would not be the intended target, as they are already "hooked"...

of course ontheright

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 12:15 ET by candance

What you're really saying in a polite way is that I'm too stupid to recognize sexual or religious innuendo. Cause ANYONE who watches that cesspool must have the IQ of a 12 year old.

Nice to know where I rank on NB.

Candance, it seems to me that the "easily entertained" ones

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 12:30 ET by RJ

are those who invest so much Sturm und Drang significance into what is nothing but a light entertainment variety program. :^)

... or to those who claim

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 12:34 ET by Warner Todd Huston

... or to those who claim that such "significance" isn't very significant... but repeatedly visit sites to SAY it isn't significant?

Over... and over... and over...

Huh? Um, Warner,

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 12:41 ET by RJ

...in case you haven't noticed, having a two (or more)sided conversation is the purpose of this site....or did you think we're just supposed to lurk and read?

...by "read," I assume you

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 13:52 ET by Warner Todd Huston

...by "read," I assume you mean that you are reacting to what someone read to you? So, "read" is meant metaphorically?
;)

Wow, Warren

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 13:56 ET by RJ

Great stuff! I bet you're a real hit at the Cub Scout meetings. ;^>

First of all, it's Warner,

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 14:02 ET by Warner Todd Huston

First of all, it's Warner, not Warren. But, don't worry about the Boy Scouts. I'm sure if they thought you were thinking about them again they'd renew that restraining order they took out against you.

I knew that. Sorry for the typo

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 14:10 ET by RJ

Come on, Warner, tell the truth.

You lost a bet and have to post those lame jokes until the end of the writer's strike, right? :^)

Well, JR, call it my way of

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 14:15 ET by Warner Todd Huston

Well, JR, call it my way of poking a finger in the eye of another fetid union by "crossing the picket lines" of the strike!

Yeah, Warner....but

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 14:20 ET by RJ

do the rest of us have to suffer so you can display your anti-union position? :^)

Have you not...

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 14:26 ET by Warner Todd Huston

Have you not noticed that EVERYONE has to suffer for me to get my opinion aired, JR!?

..a'course, there is always that option for you not to READ what I write. Remember that one? You are quite welcome to stop responding my my posts. I won't have my feelings hurt ya know?

That was your first intentionally humorous joke, Warner

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 14:38 ET by RJ

....of course you had to spoil it with your silly challenge to not respond to you......um, Warner, you jumped in and responded to my post to Candance.

As such, "there is always that option for you not to READ what I write. Remember that one? You are quite welcome to stop responding my my posts. I won't have my feelings hurt ya know?" :^)

I'm all disappointed that

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 15:06 ET by Warner Todd Huston

I'm all disappointed that you found your day "spoiled." Chagrined, even.

My day, Warner?

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 15:14 ET by RJ

Hardly. I only pointed out that you managed to spoil the single, mildly humorous, joke you've made. :^)

... and, JR, you speak from

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 15:21 ET by Warner Todd Huston

... and, JR, you speak from wide, personal experience, so I can take the warning as fairly made!

First of all, it's RJ (back atcha) ;^)

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 15:25 ET by RJ

Warning? I gave you a warning?

OK, here's a "warning:" I hate single-word threads. When this gets there, I'm outta here.

Excellent

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 15:42 ET by Warner Todd Huston

Excellent

Congratulations!

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 15:57 ET by RJ

Congratulations!

Am I the only one...

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:34 ET by Reality Check

...am I the only one who thinks that regardless of your religious beliefs, that saving your first kiss for marriage is a little... um...

...weird?

I'm just askin'.

I was raised Christian, and I kissed pretty much every good-looking girl who'd kiss me back. I'd do it again, too.

Oh, and Simon's a record producer - right job to be a judge in a singing competition. Randy Jackson was in Journey. And Paula... well, Paula's Paula. Touche on that one.

Warner, I don't think it was meant as anti-Christian - maybe just anti-WEIRD?

Reality Check

No, you're not the only one,

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:36 ET by balboa

No, you're not the only one, but let's not let that get in WTH's way of raising a ruckus...

Actually...

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:42 ET by Reality Check

I had second thoughts about that post and tried to edit it, but your reply was too quick. Frankly, it was thoughtless of me to say that someone who saves their first kiss for marriage is 'weird', and I apologize to anyone who was offended.

Reality Check

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:45 ET by candance

No it's not weird to save your first kiss, but it is weird to let your dad hold the key to your heart until you get married. That seriously came off to me as borderline gay. Sure, God holds the key, you keep the key locked away, etc but you don't go around with a key on a necklace and say you're holding your son's heart.

But that little detail conveniently didn't make it into WTH's segment.

Hmmm

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:50 ET by ontheright

Judging someone you don't know...seems contradictory to earlier posts...who really knows about this young man's personal life and what really guides him? Now had he been wearing a pentagram and an AC/DC t-shirt, I don't think this thread would exist - religious bias it seems, is alive and well.

"Weird" is OK, I think.

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:47 ET by balboa

"Weird" is OK, I think. "Odd," too. I mean, not kissing a girl until you're married...to what end? Kissing isn't a sin. I wonder where hand-holding falls?

RC, I agree with your first post.

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:01 ET by R D Helm

Not having at least kissed a girl by the age of nineteen is weird.

Sorry. It just is.

Maybe he bought into the "girls have cooties" angle a little too deeply.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

About American Idiot, oops, I meant American Idol.

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:39 ET by R D Helm

First of all, I will predicate my comment by flatly stating that I hate pop music with a flaming purple passion. I believe it to be one of the most mediocre, talentless, useless "art forms" going-appealing only to the lowest common-denominators of our society.

I'll take real classic rock over this mindless drivel any day.

American Idol, in my humble opinion, is in many ways, a microcosm of all that is wrong with this great country. The idea that many of these people actually vote keeps me awake nights.

Which gives me an idea:

On election day, I would like to see Fox run an American Idol marathon. I mean, an all day long marathon, from the time the polls open on the east coast until they close on the west coast.

At least it will keep these idiots away from the voting booths.

Question: Has Ryan Seacrest ever even kissed a girl?

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe

I wonder why Seacrest want

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:43 ET by RESTLESS 1

I wonder why Seacrest want Dickson to come back a man so badly. Hmmm?? Just asking.

Ted Mack Amateur Hour

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:55 ET by Lame Cherry

I lost my affection for amateur performers when Ted Mack was on Sunday afternoons. I disliked Lawrence Welk and thought the Gong Show lame.

So I do not understand a program where really bad performers go on stage to be made fun of by B grade industry geeks.
I watched one episode of American Idol out of compassion as a woman online was alone, so we chatted as I kept her company. I really do not recall allot about it as it seemed the best sounding artist was out voted by the person who sang the most bad country song.

I hope the Christian child learns to figure out that there are always jerks like Ryan Seacrest who think dipping your tongue or penis into openings like Bill Clinton. If this person is a real Christian, the Father has heard Mr. Seacrest and will not be amused and recompense will come.

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I hope the Christian child

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:04 ET by balboa

I hope the Christian child learns to figure out that there are always jerks like Ryan Seacrest who think dipping your tongue or penis into openings like Bill Clinton.

I don't know what that even means, but it shows that you never saw the aforementioned clip and are just blathering, blathering, blathering.

warner

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 21:58 ET by shawn228

I don't see how telling this young man to kiss a girl is anti Christian. Its not like they asked him to french kiss or sleep with girls.

How does Romney stop the applause?

Romney shows his compassion

MB, Like you and Warner I

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:19 ET by jcrapes4

MB,

Like you and Warner I have never seen Idol. I have absolutely no desire to either. I have seen a few reality shows. I believe the last full episode I watched for the complete hour was The Apprentice when it was a star wars theme.

See for yourself

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 22:29 ET by NJ Infidel

I don't think Ryan was trying to mock Bruce Dickson. In fact the audition/segment might even inspire others out there that it's ok not to "give it up so freely". I did however think Wow! how will he ever know she's "The One" if he won't even kiss her till her wedding night.

You can see the segment on YT if you want to see how it all went down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T9EywLx2AE

NJI

The fact that "American

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 23:03 ET by CJK51

The fact that "American Idol" continues to be part of the chum bucket that is prime time TV renews my hope that the apes will soon take over. Help me, Dr. Zaeus!

My nuns screwed up!

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 23:04 ET by

I went to Catholic school, somehow our nuns missed telling us the "no kissing" rule.
To think Our Lady Help was a bunch of misfit Christian kissers.
Not knowing it was wrong, I never even confessed to it.
Am I going to hell or what?

Paranoia strikes again.

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 23:05 ET by Zap

People can read anti-christian digs in everything.

The boy was met with increduality and a few friendly jests because he has a behavior that is far outside the norm. It's exactly the same kind of thing I get when I tell people that I don't like pizza. It has nothing to do with Ryan or the judges despising christians.

Half the contestants on the show are christian (at least). One of the winners was a devout christian country girl who has released several popular christian songs. She was never mocked for her beliefs by Ryan, nor were any of the several contestants who have sang christian songs on the actual show.

While I have some problems with the way the show sometimes exploits the mentally handicapped, Ryan is always friendly to people. I never remember him mocking people for their beliefs or limitations.

Also, the article seems to suggest as if the contestant was turned down because of his beliefs, which wasn't the case at all. He was turned down because he wasn't very good, plain and simple.

lol "Bueller?"

Mon, 01/21/2008 - 23:54 ET by wiwf

lol "Bueller?" Perfect.

Eh, I think getting these jabs were a lot better off than getting humiliated by the judges when you go in wearing a thong and weighing 400 pounds, belting away Like a Virgin in an unidentifiable "key."

But would Seacrest have made that crack if this guy were Muslim, that Allah demands it? Hayll no!

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taking this way too serious

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 00:01 ET by candance

But would Seacrest have made that crack if this guy were Muslim, that Allah demands it? Hayll no!

Seacrest has no record of being anti-Christian and like many of us on here have said some very outspoken Christians have won on the show and gone on to sing openly Christian songs on the stage.

People who did not watch the whole clip to see why Ryan was justifiably suspicious should not be on here jumping to conclusions.

→ candance

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 00:25 ET by Cool Arrow

You're right. And this contestant benefitted from his novel state by getting some TV exposure when he normally would have been an off-camera dismissal.

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you will notice Cool

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 00:40 ET by candance

In the transcript WTH provided above, he shows Bruce explaining his desire to wait for Miss Right and then completely skips over the judges' reactions. Once they understood it was a religious thing, they all said it sounded sweet and were nice to him the rest of the time.

And Simon tells everyone to ignore Ryan. They have a little ongoing rivalry.

IMO the guy is using it to get some free publicity when there wasn't any "there" there. Everyone on here who actually saw the whole exchange agrees the AI staff was nice to him and Ryan was making a joke - just like he does with every single other audition.

→ But candance

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 00:47 ET by Cool Arrow

This thread gives all the purists a chance to preface their pontifications with: "I don't watch American Idol because it . . ."

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kinda makes you wonder

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 01:02 ET by candance

...what else really does get taken out of context on NB and how quick people are to assume the worst.

→ Well, candance

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 01:09 ET by Cool Arrow

I guess it's just our version of "Entertainment Tonight". Must have been a slow news day and most MSM sitcoms are reruns.

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Typical Hollywood Attitude

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 07:28 ET by Mr. Terry

I'm sure this is only what Seacrest's first reaction was because it is deemed ridiculous to abstain from sex in Hollywood. Whether it was malicious I can't say, doesn't seem to me like it was, necessarily.

If it was, so what? Consider what you're watching and where it was produced. I think Americans are too sensitive about what people say and American Christians are WAY too sensitive. I've lived in Russia for nine years; I think we could take a few tips from Russian believers at how to handle a perceived slight. As they say in Brooklyn, "Fuhgit about it".

BTW, during the time I have been home in the states I've had to endure that show myself so I'm not speaking as one who has never viewed it. My opinion is that I can't run out of the room fast enough when that crap is on. I like TV and will watch something which interests me, but that kind of pop culture just isn't my cup of tea.

Information is the currency of democracy...

"Be fruitful and multiply."

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 08:22 ET by Crash

I don't see the exchange as anything more than an attempt at humor, CNS is reading way too much into it. By biblical standards the "boy" should have a wife and at least three children by now.

Simon's comment about Seacrest was pretty funny.

I happened to be watching

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 09:26 ET by Smartypants

I happened to be watching this show when this exchange took place and I do not remember Ryan Seacrest making the statement, "Go kiss some girls." I believe it was one of the "judges" on the program--"the fat guy nobody's heard of" who told the contestant to "go kiss some girls" after the contestant asked for some advice from the expert judges. I thought it was a pretty harsh statement and truly disrespectful.

I was unaware that not

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 10:41 ET by Hero Squad

I was unaware that not kissing a girl was a Christian value. I think it's safe to assume Ryan Seacrest wasn't aware of that, either.

It looks to me like Dickson mentioned that Christian values was the reason for his abstention after Ryan made his joke.

So I'm not sure this really qualifies as Seacrest making fun of Christians. I think he was poking fun at someone doing something many would consider odd who happened to be a Christian.

(TWIB Note: I've watched the show in the past, but I've tired of it and my wife and I are giving it a pass this season. If it was one hour a week, maybe. But it's just too much of a time investment into watching performers that, when all is said and done, I don't care about.)

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Well the Christian values

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:51 ET by tater

Well the Christian values would be purity and chastity. Kissing other people like you would a family member wouldn't be considered bad...the more passionate kissing should be saved for marriage (as well as everything else), at least that's what I consider these virtues portray.

Either way...what Randy and Ryan said isn't that big of deal, it's like high school insults. What many people don't realize is purity is a very attractive quality to have, so I commend the kid for standing up for what he believes in. Heck I can relate...I didn't kiss a girl until I was 25. I wanted to wait for someone who was worth kissing.

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Good Lord . . .

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:18 ET by FAR52

Have we become so sensitive about our christian beliefs that we can't poke fun of a guy who proudly announced that at age 19, he has never kissed a girl? The kid was promoting this fact to anyone who would listen. In my opinion, he was asking for it, and the ribbing he got from Ryan and others was pretty tame if you ask me.

So he got his feelings hur. Who cares? Maybe next time, he'll keep this weirdo fact to himself.

Considering what the judges

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:50 ET by Hero Squad

Considering what the judges put contestants through in this competition, if he isn't thick skinned enough to handle this, he's grossly ill-equipped to compete on American Idol.

And he can just forget about trying out for Big Brother.

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Ehh, you're getting all spun

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 11:48 ET by jimpryor99

Ehh, you're getting all spun up over nothing. He didn't get cut because of his Christian beliefs...he got cut because he couldn't sing.

Randy Jackson is a very well known musician and record producer with many hits to his credit.

Simon Cowell is an extremely successful person in the music industry.

And calling Paula washed up is a cheap shot. She moved on from recording, that's all.

In other words, if you don't like the show (which you wouldn't know since you've never seen it), then don't watch it. But cutting down the three judges just to make your point about being a Christian is just as bad as what they did.

I watched American Idol for

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 12:07 ET by LilyPearl

I watched American Idol for two seasons and this does not surprise me. Now there has not been alot of mocking of Christians because, well, there are not alot of Christians on there. However, Mandisa was a contestant a couple of seasons ago and she sung a Christian song during the competition. Simon Cowell told her he did not get it. She, in my opinion, is the best vocalist they have ever had on there.

Expert Advice?

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 12:12 ET by Tom Paine

What would Ryan Seacrest know about kissing Girls?

WTH, This kid knew that

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 12:45 ET by Leon

WTH,

This kid knew that he was exposing himself to ridicule when he signed up to participate. Anyone that's seen the show knows how brutal they are the try-outs.

It's safe to assume he's seen the show or he wouldn't have tried out, therefore, you can also assume he realized the petty criticism he'd be subjected to.

Tough turkey. This IS what you sign up for when you join American Idol.

So I don't feel bad for this goober at all. Furthermore, it was sound advice. That kid does need to kiss more girls.

As for Seacrest's discernable talents, the only people that MIGHT have that answer are his boyfriends.

→ Seacrest

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 12:54 ET by Cool Arrow

Having a daughter who has tried out for AI, I can tell you the questionnaire definitely does not ask: Have you ever kissed a boy/girl.

It is evident then, that the boy volunteered his little tidbit as a hook to get him some airtime.

I agree, it's about time he kissed a girl.

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Cool, Interesting. I

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 12:59 ET by Leon

Cool,

Interesting. I did not realize that. He definitely brought that up himself. Definitely wanted air time. Why he would want to share that information is another question all together.

The kid was lame, he was proud of his lameness, and he got lambasted for it.

It's the same thing that's happened to hundreds of untalented/wacky/insane people before him.

Leon and I agree shudders

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 14:05 ET by candance

It seems to me a lot of people here have it in for AI and were looking for a chance to play gotcha.

Back when the show invited Carrie Underwood to come on and sing "Jesus Take the Wheel" ... or when Mandisa told the judges they had hurt her feelings but Christ commanded her to forgive, and Simon gave her a hug and apologized ... or when a camera crew followed Fantasia Barrino home to shoot footage of her going to church and then highlighted it on the show ... or when a certain guy auditioned and told them he was a praise & worship leader, and they passed him onto the next round ... no one on NB applauded the show for promoting Christian values.

But one snide remark and it's front page news.

Shhh! You're ruining the

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 14:10 ET by balboa

Shhh! You're ruining the moment with your logic!

Candance, Great post. I

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 15:08 ET by Leon

Candance,

Great post. I just wanted to comment on this line:

But one snide remark and it's front page news.

Only at Newsbusters, but what can you expect from a place where The View dominates coverage.

i guess it's just getting

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 15:11 ET by TruthMonger

i guess it's just getting harder to find MSM bias now...

kudos to NB:)

candance...I have yet to

Tue, 01/22/2008 - 15:18 ET by Jer

candance...I have yet to see a single episode of AI...but based on this and your other eloquently persuasive posts concerning the show, I think I'll start watching.

Jer