**Update below fold**
Target department stores apparently haven't gotten the memo that dissing the Internet and bloggers can be a dangerous game for a retailer these days. And, Target isn't just dissing blogges and "non-traditional media" they might be claiming they won't even interact with them. All this over a new advertisement that shows a woman in Winter clothing, spread-eagled atop the Target logo, the center of which appears right between the model's spread legs. Just what the "target" here is, can be a pertinent question to ask and several consumer advocates are asking just that question.
Amy Jussel of the organization Shaping Youth (shapingyouth.org), for instance, raised her concerns that this Target advert places an unwanted emphasis on a woman's genitals and points out that it is part of the overly sexualized nature of too much of our advertising industry. Jussel says, "This Target ad is senselessly subversive on so many levels," and wonders if Madison Avenue types care if "kids’ psyches are being trashed" in this country.
Jussel has also been following other ad campaigns that feature women in spread-eagled poses and pointing out the overly sexualized nature of our media.
Jussel wrote to the Target corporation about her concerns and received this curt reply:
Good Morning Amy,
Thank you for contacting Target; unfortunately we are unable to respond to your inquiry because Target does not participate with non-traditional media outlets. This practice is in place to allow us to focus on publications that reach our core guest.
Once again thank you for your interest, and have a nice day.
Smooth move, Target. Does Target not "get" that blogs and the Internet ARE the people that they want to reach to bring into their stores? Is Target completely unaware of the power of the Internet? Did Target not notice that Dan Rather, for instance, was laid low by the power of the Internet?
You'd think that Target would have learned their lesson when they banned the Salvation Army bell ringers from collecting donations in front of their stores last year. That Internet storm caused Target some heartburn.
Someone needs to update the Customer Relations Department at Target that the Internet is not something that you can just blow off and that the future resides on the world wide web!
So, I've got a little advice for you Target. Why don't you set your aim on the FUTURE! Stop imagining the Internet is just a few nuts that no one cares about. Your unconcern with "non-traditional media outlets" may come back to bite you.
**Update** 01/22/08
Amy Jussel sent me this to let you all know what she and her site is all about...
*"Question: Has anyone bothered to read our ENTIRE blog post besides
Warner? *The blogosphere banter is becoming misinformed minutiae, like one of
those bad games of ‘telephone’ as a kid where the message keeps getting
further tweaked out of context to become ‘parenting crazies
over-reacting’ in a diluted dialog of one-off ad focus.The larger issue of normalizing objectification via mass market retail
and Web 2.0 being dissed is instead being skewed into a thumbs up/thumbs
down UGC opinion-style vote for ‘snowangel vs. spreadeagle.’
Objectification is a worthy discussion, but NOT this one ad alone, by
ANY stretch of the imagination. Fergawdsakes, stop trivializing the part
that’s newsworthy!If you’d actually READ the rest of my piece, /(toddler tees that say
"Hooter Girl in Training" and "Playground Pimp" in ‘aren't we clever &
amusing to use our babies as human billboards’ style)/ you’d see that I
was REALLY railing about the fact that 'tarzhsay,' a purported 'family
firm' drank the Koolaid and joined the ranks of all the other wink-n-nod
hipster-wannabes that like to flirt on the edge of crass innuendo by
normalizing’ objectification…and how the impact of that act relates to
the APA research on adolescents.As for the facts, (skewed again) I simply called to fact-check Target’s
motivation & campaign context to try to be ‘fair’ and was dissed as
‘non-traditional media’ via unsigned e-mail response. Being a VERY
“core” customer, I was pondering how I should best send a nastygram to
corporate, with a slap on the wrist for their short-sighted stupidity,
when Lisa Ray, one of our loyal readers, picked it up in Target HQ
central, and was called in for a CBS interview. From there, the viral
spiral began…Senseless personal attacks sans issue focus, and
media-mamas fanning the flames w/their outrage.It’s been quite an education for us both. Two outspoken moms running two
diff. orgs in two diff. parts of the country suddenly media morphed into
‘one,’ referenced interchangeably, and slammed with inaccuracy and
incivility. A brilliant lesson in media literacy to point out how
discourse can devolve into sensationalized, superfluous slapfests when
conversations get hijacked…
So, there you go. Just thought I'd pass that along.













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How can they not
January 17, 2008 - 11:46 ET by stealth punditget the power of the internet. When I want to find something at a store I almost always look on line - even if I plan on going to the store to buy it. Sure, I look through the ads in the Sunday paper - but that's just a way to kill time before Mass.
I'd call myself a fairly typical shopper - male, age 48, probably more computer savvy than most (managed an IT department for a few years) but on-line shopping is not exactly tech heavy. Companies whose web-sites are difficult to navigate don't get my business - its the modern equivalent of having enough parking spots, good shopping carts (hate it when the wheels turn the wrong way) and clean, organized aisles. Target has a nice web site - but someone needs to clue them in that this means their shoppers can see other articles about Target.
"Target does not
January 17, 2008 - 12:05 ET by kg"Target does not participate with non-traditional media outlets. This practice is in place to allow us to focus on publications that reach our core guest."
Well, considering the "traditional" media is Democrats I would say Republican shoppers are not needed nor desired in their stores.
Hitting (the)Target
January 17, 2008 - 11:47 ET by Apostate_FritterMy goodness! Target was unresponsive to a legitimate question and criticism about a tasteless ad?
Damn. And I was going to go shopping at Target today....
Well - lets see: There's Walmart, Costco, Sams, Walgreens, Sears, JC Penny, Dillards, ...
Gee. Guess I don't need Target anymore.
"Tasteless"? C'mon.
January 17, 2008 - 11:57 ET by balboa"Tasteless"?
C'mon.
Agreed, bal. Whoever found
January 17, 2008 - 12:34 ET by motherbeltAgreed, bal. Whoever found that ad objectionable had their mind in the wrong place, and was looking to be offended.
As Sigmund Freud said: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
And sometimes an ad for a store is just an ad.
Target is run by
January 17, 2008 - 12:52 ET by TruthMongerTarget is run by Minneapolis feminist libs - but their ad outfit is in NYC, I believe - probably also run by NYC feminist libs...
I doubt Target Corp is targeting what the complainers are complaining about - it looks like a peace sign take-off to me...
If it causes Target flack I'm fine with it - these are the liberal jerks who banned the Salvation Army Christmas greeters from the storefronts a couple years ago...
After that fallout the greeters are back now - but Target still continues to strive in Satan's service wherever they can:)...
Regarding this ad, there
January 17, 2008 - 13:29 ET by lotrRegarding this ad, there is, without a doubt, a sexual undertone. It may be subtle, but it's there. Such undertones are becoming more and more common in media advertising. Located at the very center of the photograph, in the center of the bullseye, is her wide-open crotch. The "view" is further enhanced by the intentional angle of the photograph from below. While I'd like to be naive and say I'm the one with a dirty mind here, the fact is that most men will cue in on the same thing, even if unconsciously. Am I offended by it? Can't say that I am -- it's not like it's obscene or anything. But the sexual undertone is undeniable.
My wife and I refuse to shop at Target -- sometimes this can pose a minor inconvenience, but it's one we can easily live with. Money talks, and we believe in putting our money where our mouth is.
well I'm quite happy not to
January 17, 2008 - 13:50 ET by TruthMongerwell I'm quite happy not to defend Target on any of this:)
but they probably love the attention actually - maybe that's why I hesitate to push it - their soul-mates in the MSM will just milk it - very effectively - for their right-wing-prude templates
You raise a valid point.
January 17, 2008 - 15:43 ET by lotrYou raise a valid point. "right-wing-prude templates" -- I love it.
Using that same logic,
January 17, 2008 - 14:09 ET by balboaUsing that same logic, there's a "sexual undertone" in every single ad in existence.
That is correct.
January 17, 2008 - 14:43 ET by azholmesAnd that is Amy's point. Most ads for the last 25 or so years have used a "sexual undertone", think Brooke Shields. We have now become so accustomed to it, that most don't even notice (or think they notice.) But the kids are watching our behavior closely...
She is trying to turn the tide the other way.
Getting advertisers not to
January 17, 2008 - 14:52 ET by balboaGetting advertisers not to use sex to sell things? Yeah, good luck with that one.
So why not...
January 17, 2008 - 15:08 ET by azholmesJust go ahead and use topless women on billboards. Full-on nude, even. I think it would be great. My kids are grown, or nearly grown, not my problem.
Budweiser ad with a guy in a bar full of women getting naked. That'd be great. What's stopping them? I guess they can only do that if they strategically place beer bottle labels in the ad?
There's a difference
January 17, 2008 - 16:56 ET by balboaThere's a difference between a fully-clothed woman spread eagle and full-on nudity, methinks.
Much like...
January 17, 2008 - 18:36 ET by azholmesMuch like a woman sitting with her legs together and a woman spread-eagle... The real difference is time (and apathy).
Everything's dirty! You're
January 17, 2008 - 19:14 ET by balboaEverything's dirty! You're dirty! I'm dirty! AIEEE!!
Uh, no. Let me try to
January 17, 2008 - 15:40 ET by lotrUh, no. Let me try to follow balboa's "logic":
Sexual undertone in this ad (spread-eagle, shot from below, vagina in center of "Target")
+ General trend toward sexual undertones in advertising
= All ads have sexual undertones
Sorry, but it does not follow.
I caught it immediately, and I don't think it's just me having "a dirty mind." There are certainly ads with more blatant overtones or innuendos out there, but I'm just calling the spade a spade.
No, I'm saying if you can
January 17, 2008 - 15:44 ET by balboaNo, I'm saying if you can get sexual undertones out of that ad, then you can get them out of any ad for anything from shock plugs to cooking oil. You must be positively mortified by the Conservative T-Shirts ad on this web site.
No, no. Those shirts are
January 17, 2008 - 15:47 ET by Warner Todd HustonNo, no. Those shirts are only sold to conservative prostitutes! LOL
Good point -- the ads on
January 17, 2008 - 15:54 ET by lotrGood point -- the ads on this sight all have sexual undertones as well, and I've noticed that from the get-go.
"Mortified"? Who said anything about being "mortified"? I've seen it all, Bal (as I'm sure you have too), trust me. I'm just making the observation, that's all.
Actually, I hate them, I
January 17, 2008 - 21:35 ET by amberActually, I hate them, I have frequently contemplating no longer using sites that have them, but my desire for information and my lack of media resources keeps me comming back. The target add was not bad, I did not think anything of it, but those T-shirt ads are degrading and frankly, they are insulting.
Okay lotr, imagine
January 17, 2008 - 15:51 ET by tracheostomyOkay lotr, imagine yourself walking in the snow; up the base of a bunny hill.*
You see a 16-17 year-old girl in snowpants making snow angels and laughing.
Getting nervous?
What's missing?
Your general distrust of the media and one corporate logo.
That's it. That's all man.
Time for all of us to get off the F---in' internet and go sledding.
-PJ
*No undertones in that. Not trying to set you up here.
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
LOL
January 17, 2008 - 15:56 ET by lotrLOL
I'm sorry, lotr, I think
January 17, 2008 - 15:17 ET by motherbeltwithout a doubt, a sexual undertone?????
"undeniable"??????
I'm sorry, lotr, I think your mind is in the gutter. My first thought when I saw that was making a "snow angel."
You can find sexual "undertones" in almost anything if you're looking for it.
I'll buy that "making a snow
January 17, 2008 - 16:05 ET by lotrI'll buy that "making a snow angel" is a valid interpretation. Perhaps I'm wrong; I honestly wouldn't have caught that because there wasn't any snow, only a big Bullseye...
Well gee, lotr, having snow
January 17, 2008 - 19:05 ET by motherbeltWell gee, lotr, having snow would cover up the Target logo and make the ad pretty pointless, don't you agree? The point is the winter clothes and Target.
Believe me, I am more prudish than a lot of people....sometimes I feel like a dinosaur as far as morality goes.... but I just can't read a sexual anything into this ad.
mb, It didn't meet my raised
January 17, 2008 - 19:09 ET by Chris Normanmb,
It didn't meet my raised eyebrow test, either. Someone has way too much capacity to be offended here.
You're my new best friend.
January 17, 2008 - 19:15 ET by balboaYou're my new best friend. ;-)
Yeah? Well, just don't call
January 17, 2008 - 19:31 ET by Chris NormanYeah? Well, just don't call me up at two in the morning for a ride home. :) Hey, despite your probable estimation of me as a humorless prude, it generally takes a lot to get me offended. However, I recognize when others may be offended. I think to be offended, in this case, this woman was trying real hard - too hard.
That's fair. And humorless
January 17, 2008 - 19:44 ET by balboaThat's fair.
And humorless prude is harsh! "Questionable Humor Levels" sounds more like it. :-)
I like to think of my humor
January 17, 2008 - 19:46 ET by Chris NormanI like to think of my humor as cold, bitter, and dark - like day old coffee. :)
That's also I like my
January 17, 2008 - 19:48 ET by Roger the ShrubberThat's also how I like my women....
"Stewardess, I speak jive."
January 17, 2008 - 19:50 ET by balboa"Stewardess, I speak jive."
Chump don wan no help,
January 17, 2008 - 19:53 ET by Chris NormanChump don wan no help, chump don git no help. Jive ass dude don got no brains anyhow.
HA!!! "Get off the phone
January 17, 2008 - 22:00 ET by red_dragon311HA!!!
"Get off the phone you big dope!!!!!!!!!!" Mark Levin
motherbelt,
January 17, 2008 - 19:41 ET by R D Helm.... but I just can't read a sexual anything into this ad.
Neither could I. And I really tried, too. This is the sort of thing that makes conservatives look, quite frankly, silly. I cringe every time something like this happens.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
Not at all -- I was
January 17, 2008 - 22:06 ET by lotrNot at all -- I was thinking that the "snow-angel" would reveal the Target logo beneath. Gosh, I should go into advertising!
Having morality on sexual matters does not make one a prude -- nor does seeing sexual undertones in an ad and pointing it out. I realize in today's age we see far worse, though, so maybe I just have some anti-Target bias.
Not at all -- I was
January 17, 2008 - 22:06 ET by lotrNot at all -- I was thinking that the "snow-angel" would reveal the Target logo beneath. Gosh, I should go into advertising!
Having morality on sexual matters does not make one a prude -- nor does seeing sexual undertones in an ad and pointing it out. I realize in today's age we see far worse, though, so maybe I just have some anti-Target bias.
I second Motherbelt. Bal
January 17, 2008 - 14:27 ET by tracheostomyI second Motherbelt.
Bal = thirded?
I haven't seen it on TV, but when I looked at the pic in the blog, all I saw was a girl doing snow angels in cold weather wear.
And I'm probably one of the more perverse members here on NB.
So A&F this ain't. >:p
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
GMTA trach: see my reply
January 17, 2008 - 15:18 ET by motherbeltGMTA trach: see my reply to lotr just above...and I hadn't seen your post yet!
It doesn't matter if it was
January 17, 2008 - 12:43 ET by Warner Todd HustonIt doesn't matter if it was tasteless or not. That Target felt it so easy to diss ALL the non-traditional media" just because they don't think their ad is tasteless is amazingly shortsighted of them.
Yeah, I'm surprised that
January 17, 2008 - 12:52 ET by balboaYeah, I'm surprised that they took that stance. Kinda silly in this day and age.
Me too. As to if the ad is
January 17, 2008 - 12:55 ET by Warner Todd HustonMe too. As to if the ad is tasteless or not, I'll leave that determination up to others in this case.
Do we know exactly what the
January 17, 2008 - 13:07 ET by balboaDo we know exactly what the request was from the blogger?
The blogger is the woman I
January 17, 2008 - 13:13 ET by Warner Todd HustonThe blogger is the woman I mentioned in my piece. I think she emailed her concerns that the ad was too sexual in nature. Looking over her website will show that she is not the sort who would call names or use foul language in the email she sent to Target, but I did not see in her story exactly what it is she sent them.
Sorry, I think Target should
January 17, 2008 - 19:06 ET by motherbeltSorry, I think Target should have told her to "get a grip."
Ok, Bal had a good point.
January 17, 2008 - 21:43 ET by amberOk, Bal had a good point. Mr. Huston, I am offended by the t-shirt adds NB has on this site. I think they are about the same as Mr. Shy's underwear adds, but I do not have to click on yours to see a teenage whore trying to help a 40 year old news junky get a rise in his pants, you have them in plain view. I never commented about it to anyone because I thought it was your perogative to put up whatever adds you all wanted to put up and mine to not visit. So, what is the NB response?
Before anyone comments, I
January 17, 2008 - 21:57 ET by amberBefore anyone comments, I am sorry about the rude overtones of my post, I was just trying to make a point.
I truely do love this site and I truely do hate the adds and I truely believe it is up to NB to decide who they want to advertize, not me.
Target...
January 17, 2008 - 12:07 ET by heldmyw...They certainly seems to go out of their way to be rude, effete, elitist and dismissive.
Dumb, considering Target is just K-Mart with pretentious dementia.
Anybody know how their numbers are trending?
Held, take a look
January 17, 2008 - 14:31 ET by MikeBHeld, take a look here.
TGT is doing rather well. The analyst recommendation is somewhere between "buy" and "hold", with only one analyst with a "sell" recommendation.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
BOR
January 17, 2008 - 12:27 ET by allanfI guess if Bill O'Reilly picks this up, Target will say FOX is not a traditional media outlet so BOR is not worthy of a response.
I understand their viewpoint
January 17, 2008 - 12:28 ET by roscoe swackhammerI'm not sure this approach will work for them, but as a new car salesman I can assure you that internet shoppers are, in general terms, unresponsive, arrogant, misinformed due to their lack of hands-on experiece with the product and their belief that everything they see on the internet is true and that they have understood everything they've seen. They rarely make appointments or keep them, and once they do come in and test-drive(and eat up an hour of my time), I find out they bought one on e-bay for $50 less and want me to help them with their problems with their new car.
Target may very well be simply trying to focus on their in-store customers who exhibit loyalty and manners.
Don't ignore the obvious just because you're the only one who sees it.
..."YOU MUST COME BUY FROM
January 17, 2008 - 12:41 ET by Warner Todd Huston..."YOU MUST COME BUY FROM ME," says the car salesman, "All others are eeeeevil."
LOL
You are a car
January 17, 2008 - 12:45 ET by Roger the ShrubberYou are a car salesman?
Shocking.
How uninformed and arrogant
January 17, 2008 - 14:41 ET by Airforce_5_OHow uninformed and arrogant of me to think I knew how think for myself on my consumer needs and using the internet. I must revert back to the Stone Age where I walk on to the lot and deal with some pesky car salesman to badger me all over the lot.
What was I thinking?
Nice.
January 17, 2008 - 14:47 ET by azholmesReliability? don't worry about it, just smell that new car smell.
As a salesman you have a
January 17, 2008 - 15:10 ET by Dan The Man 2As a salesman you have a poor attitude "(and eat up an hour of my time)" and your buisiness will improve if you have the law of averages in mind. Selling is like fishing sometimes they are biting and sometimes they are not, some fishin holes are productive and some arn't and some fish are bigger than others. But at the end of the day if you work at it you have fish in your cooler. So selling is all about how to sell to a particular customer and a record over the long haul.
If you don't like it then move on.
I am shopping for cars now and there are some really good salesmen and some really crappy ones and some who seem dumber than rocks. I state exactly what I'm looking for and tehn they try to steer you in a direction sometimes one I dont want to go.
I realize the salesman has limited time so I am specific and say to teh point I have little time, some listen and some don't. I leave the ones who don't and tell the ones that do the truth. One thing I don't brook is the shell game of back and forth to the manager, I get up and leave.
I dont buy off the net because it is worth it to have a customer service. I do try to buy at fleet because of the "shuffle."
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
as an ex-carsalesman I can
January 17, 2008 - 16:23 ET by red_dragon311as an ex-carsalesman I can say that I agree wholheartedly with the first carsalesman.
not trying to be a jerk but you said "I am shopping for cars now..." thats leads me to believe that you have been "in the market" for a while and not ready to buy yet...if you were ready to buy you go out with the intention of coming home with a new car.
See you are waiting for the right salesman to hold your hand and tell you what you want to hear about a car that catches your eye. and if you feel the price is right you will go to another dealership just to see if you can get it cheaper, and this salesamn will give you a cup of coffee, or a free soda and you will end up buying from him because he was nicer to you then the other guy...
and don't be ashamed it's a fact...this is how it's done...if you are a salesman and you know the "up" is coming from a different dealership that sale is in the bag.
"Get off the phone you big dope!!!!!!!!!!" Mark Levin
I would never buy a new car.
January 17, 2008 - 16:25 ET by Warner Todd HustonI would never buy a new car. So, I can avoid that whole "salesman" thing.
good man"Get off the
January 17, 2008 - 16:54 ET by red_dragon311good man
I never buy new either, and i don't sell cars anymore
"Get off the phone you big dope!!!!!!!!!!" Mark Levin
You show ignorance whn you
January 17, 2008 - 16:51 ET by Dan The Man 2You show ignorance whn you say this "See you are waiting for the right salesman to hold your hand and tell you what you want to hear about a car that catches your eye" and the reason you are an EX-car salesman. I tell these people up front I am only looking. I am buying from fleet sales so I dont have the idiot hassle lasting hours of psuedo haggling. As I mentioned before teh art of sales is like fishing, some you win some you lose but ya gotta enjoy the sport.
If ya really want to try and be a salesman sell vacuum cleaners door to door, now that is really being a sportsman. I did it for 3 years but it was too much hassle so I quit.
And you are partially right, sales is about making your customer feel like part of the family, wanted and valued. That is why I commented on the first one.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Spent 30 years in the
January 17, 2008 - 18:04 ET by Gary P JacksonSpent 30 years in the Automobile Industry, and I'm proud of it. Most customers who have ONLY looked at the internet have preconceived ideas. It's like folks who don't think they need to drive a car (new or used) before they buy it. To a customer, those are the folks with the most after-sale complaints. Just like in politics, information is king.
And I can understand the concern for the "time waster". In automobile sales, you work on a commission only basis. You don't sell something, you don't eat. No minimum wage here! There are some real weasels in the business, but by and large most sales people are professionals. A good salesperson can help you meet your needs better than you can yourself. Of course a good salesman spends tons of time learning not only his product, but the competition's. I never got upset if someone told me what they were doing up front. I know if you treat people courteously. Even if you lose the sale (or never had it) the next go around they will look your way. It's the basic treat people the way you want to be treated philosophy. In fact, the last five years I sold cars, I never took "ups". Too busy with repeat and referral business!
Sorry to hijack the tread!
On that, let me say I would have never seen a sexual undertone in the pic, had it not been pointed out. I just see a cute gal on a Target logo. As someone else posted, sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar!
Now as far as the issue of not responding to the new frontier out here in internet land, they're stupid! Folks have changed the way they do business, and right or wrong, blogs attract readers and shape opinion. A successful business changes with the times, or dies. Period.
"As someone else posted,
January 17, 2008 - 18:29 ET by Chris Norman"As someone else posted, sometimes a cigar, is just a cigar!"
Gary,
Unless, of course, you're Bill Clinton or Monica Lewinsky. Then, it can be so much more...
My Grandmother at age 92
January 17, 2008 - 18:35 ET by Dan The Man 2My Grandmother at age 92 bought her last car. A 2003 Mote Carlo, she saw it on teh showroom floor and said I want that one, no haggling about price options or such. The car salesman foolishly asked if she wanted to drive it and she said no and when pressed a second time No,Young man I want that car,do you want to sell it or not." At least teh salesman had the intelegence to shut up the second time, say yes mam and sell her the car she wanted at full sticker price.
I now have that car after she and my dad have passed. Wish she had gotten the SS.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Target and their "Guests"
January 17, 2008 - 13:00 ET by FaulknerFanI stopped going to Target when they started calling me a "guest", thereby implying I'm so stupid as to be more persuaded to buy something from them if they change what they call me from what I am, a customer, to what I am not, a guest. The situation with the Salvation Army, and now this convince me I was right all along. To me, it is the height of contempt and extremely insulting to use this 1984 double speak and assume that their customers will blindly, like limmings, swallow it. It is also directly in line with things like this. Non traditional media outlets? It is Target that is non traditional and I hope they pay a heavy price for it.
Seems to me...
January 17, 2008 - 13:20 ET by MassConservThat there might be some confusion here. The ad photo on this blog isn't the same as the one linked to at shapingyouth.org site.
While I'd say the photo here could be considered of questionable taste, the ad in the photo on the other website is quite a bit more suggestive. Along the lines of the auditorium entrance from the movie Patch Adams.
I think the confusion is
January 17, 2008 - 13:25 ET by Warner Todd HustonI think the confusion is yours. The ShapingYouth blog has two different reports. One about the Target campaign (with the picture I used attached) and one about an ad campaign that showed two female legs split across to adjacent billboards looking as if the legs were spread open.
Thanks WTH.
January 17, 2008 - 13:30 ET by MassConservI just clicked on the link supplied and expected to find the same picture you posted.
Evidently the link has been changed.
Which link are you using?
January 17, 2008 - 13:34 ET by Warner Todd HustonWhich link are you using? There are two, one going to each story. The first one says "shapingyouth.org" and the second one says "women in spread-eagled poses."
I clicked on
January 17, 2008 - 13:36 ET by MassConservthe "women in spread-eagled poses" link.
I did find the blog entry with the picture you posted, but it was under the Advertisements link on the right menu.
Gimme a break
January 17, 2008 - 13:39 ET by Jack BauerGimme a break "Amy."
Calvin Klein made an underwear brand by running giant posters of almost naked men showing off their packages.
...She don't like dat one
January 17, 2008 - 13:57 ET by Warner Todd Huston...She don't like dat one much either!
Ha. Just no pleasing some
January 17, 2008 - 14:11 ET by Jack BauerHa. Just no pleasing some people.
First step?
January 17, 2008 - 14:54 ET by azholmesAnd away we go. the grade is slight at first, but it gets steeper (and slipperier...)
Yes, yes, I know, and the
January 17, 2008 - 14:56 ET by balboaYes, yes, I know, and the next thing you know 5-year-olds are sleeping with animals.
...
January 17, 2008 - 15:13 ET by azholmesNot that there's anything wrong with that.
Bullseye!
January 17, 2008 - 14:48 ET by Roger the ShrubberBullseye!
Come in #6, your time is up
January 17, 2008 - 14:56 ET by Jack BauerI was wondering what this pop-art image reminded me of... roll out the yellow Morgan
Greatest TV show of the 60s.
I AM NOT A NUMBER, I AM A FREE MAN.
(until Hillary gets into power)
Who is number one? You are
January 17, 2008 - 15:01 ET by Warner Todd HustonWho is number one?
You are number six!
Remember...
January 17, 2008 - 15:08 ET by Jack BauerBe seeing you!
The very last show was the
January 17, 2008 - 15:13 ET by Dan The Man 2The very last show was the weirest of the series, did he really get his freedom or was it another prison?
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
where am I?
January 17, 2008 - 15:24 ET by Jack BauerI've read that half way through the show which Patrick McGoohan conceived, wrote, directed and starred in, he was cast in his first big Hollywood movie (Ice Station Zebra).
I think the insane schedule caused the series to implode, and was pulled early. The last ep being a stitched together effort which tired to pull all the themes into a finale.
Last year Sky in the UK annopunced plans for a new series, but they pulled out. It remains in the air.
It takes a village.
But in the village you
January 17, 2008 - 15:32 ET by Dan The Man 2But in the village you never know exactly who is, and who is not a Prisoner. Right number six.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
Exactly Number Dan.
January 17, 2008 - 15:36 ET by Jack BauerExactly Number Dan.
Unlike Hillary's Village of course.
Here everyone is a Prisoner of the state, and we all know who NUMBER ONE is.
I think I just had an idea about my next video.
Looks to me like she's
January 17, 2008 - 15:19 ET by FlashmanLooks to me like she's making a snow angel. I suppose it's all in the eye of the beholder.
Target
January 17, 2008 - 15:21 ET by R D HelmPerhaps it is my declining testosterone levels as I cruise into my middle years, but about the only person I feel would find that photograph even remotely sexually suggestive would be some poor guy who was just rescued from a ten-year stint on a deserted island. Or someone who has a fetish for white or something.
Honestly, I think we are dealing with a bunch of prudes here. Prudes who have way too much time on their hands, along with access to the internet. I have seen far "racier" photographs on billboards within sight of the local Baptist church!
As for Target's unfortunate response, I agree that it is somewhat short-sighted, but, given their history, and the fact that it is a company run by flaming liberals, is anyone really surprised?
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
And my reply to you is see
January 17, 2008 - 15:29 ET by Dan The Man 2And my reply to you is see how far down the hill we have gone, one where we can't recognize sin when we see it.
Nuke em til they glow then shoot em in the dark.
You think the ad is
January 17, 2008 - 15:45 ET by balboaYou think the ad is sinful?
Dan, I could understand the revulsion if this were an A & F add.
January 17, 2008 - 15:48 ET by R D HelmThe ones with scantily-clad teenagers in provocative poses that everyone got so upset about a while back. I did not like those, either, for many of the same reasons I suspect that you did not like them. But that Target photograph is not even approaching the same territory.
Not even close.
None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free. -J.W. von Goethe
Correct. I'm starting to
January 17, 2008 - 16:02 ET by tracheostomyCorrect. I'm starting to see where the social conservative stereotypes are coming from.
-PJ
"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07
Has anyone considered that
January 17, 2008 - 15:57 ET by KhyrisHas anyone considered that the "slight" to non-traditional media was just an unfotunate coincidence of a PR person having to choose one of a dozen ways to defuse a totally stupid complaint without seeming rude?
I mean, sure, there are a dozen other ways they could have replied, but how much thought do you think they really put into the reply when their only goal was to NOT say "You are an over-reactive sex-obsessed idiot, get stuffed!" to what was probably an isolated if not solitary complaint?
I somehow doubt the person who sent this reply had even remotely considered that this one yokel would be able to make a greater issue by spreading the reply around. The "non-traditional media" certainly isn't supporting this person on the merits of their original complaint; the PR person probably guessed she wouldn't be taken seriously on that basis alone, but then made the mistake of giving her a sympathy issue by poor choice of reply.
I'd also say that from the letter, it's a big assumption on our part that "non-traditional media" was even a reference to "bloggers at large" at all, after all, the NYT and LAT have blogger columns, and they are part of the "traditional media." Perhaps in this case, "non-traditional media" is just a clever euphemism for "one quixotic moron with a web-page and an axe to grind."
"senselessly
January 17, 2008 - 19:11 ET by JasonC"senselessly subversive"?
Wow, alliterative knee-jerkism!
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Salaciously, sensitive,
January 17, 2008 - 19:21 ET by Warner Todd HustonSalaciously, sensitive, unseemly, senselessly, subversive, I tells ya!
At first I thought she
January 17, 2008 - 19:40 ET by BuffNBoneAt first I thought she might be trying to do something like a peace symbol. Or on second thought, maybe it was a piece symbol.
"Fighters are fun but bombers make policy"
For the love of God Warner
January 17, 2008 - 21:59 ET by shawn228You are the biggest stick in the mud writer on NB for sure. This is not any worse than say, a woman making snow angels.
Your the type of person that can find sexual overtones in "the crack of dawn"
Romney time machine
Your praise I am not
January 17, 2008 - 22:14 ET by Warner Todd HustonYour praise I am not seeking, nor care to worry myself over, but I would like to point out that the sexual content of the ad was NOT my point. The fact that Target dissed bloggers and new media outlets, however, WAS. The clue for you should have been the TITLE of my post! Get someone to read it to you if you are having trouble.
Helpfully yours, WTH
I read just fine Warner
January 18, 2008 - 00:45 ET by shawn228Thing is I believe this is one of your more subtle ways of talking immorality again.
Judging by your accusations of fornication and multiple sexual partners in this harmless article, maybe this thread has less to do withTarget than it has to do with your own morality lessons.
... don't take the tinfoil
January 18, 2008 - 09:47 ET by Warner Todd Huston... don't take the tinfoil off your head. They might be listening!
lol, great come back
January 18, 2008 - 10:26 ET by shawn228lol, great come back Warner. Veery creative.
Romney time machine
I get tired of being
January 18, 2008 - 10:47 ET by Warner Todd HustonI get tired of being "creative" when discussing something with someone who has been shown that a thing is "A" while he insists it is "B" despite the clear evidence. In such a case, "creativity" seems rather wasted.
warner
January 18, 2008 - 10:59 ET by shawn228I usually show respect to other posters so before this turns to a flaming match perhaps you could try elaborating. What I am insisting on? and clear evidence of what?
Romney time machine
You claimed that my focus
January 18, 2008 - 11:24 ET by Warner Todd HustonYou claimed that my focus was the "sex" issue in this piece. Not a SINGLE word of mine refers to the "sex" issue. My entire focus was on Target's "non-traditional media" response. I DID mention the concerns of Mrs. Jussel, but then I had to do that in order to explain why Target sent her the message saying that they don't talk to bloggers and "non-traditional media" in the first place.
Desp