Actor Charles Grodin Calls Sean Hannity a Fascist on H&C

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By Warner Todd Huston | December 18, 2007 - 13:34 ET

I have to say, this little TV clip -- posted below -- shows how leftists can neither take a joke nor can they see what’s funny about their own leftism. On the Dec. 17th edition of Hannity & Colmes guest Charles Grodin decided that it would be, uh, funny to call host Sean Hannity a fascist and a Nazi. Yes, Charles Grodin lost the game violating Godwin’s Law, that states that if you are the first to call someone a Nazi in an argument you end meaningful discussion by heading for the cheapest, easiest, least applicable argument and name to call an opponent. Grodin’s knee jerk reaction, caused him to lose the game, but he did reveal his true feelings for that split second before he regained his composure and put his faux amiability back on.

Grodin was on H&C to flog his latest book titled "If I Only Knew Then: Learning From Our Mistakes," a book where a dozen or so liberals debase themselves by telling Grodin their mistakes in life. As Hannity points out, Grodin didn’t include any conservatives in his list. This oversight is probably for the obvious reason that Grodin probably doesn’t know any conservatives, never met one (Hannity aside) and wouldn’t deign to speak to one even if he did.

At about five minutes into the discussion about Grodin’s book, Hannity jokingly said that Grodin was a "left wing extremist," and this set Grodin off something fierce. In answer to Hannity’s ribbing an obviously angered Grodin called Hannity a "fascist," a "Nazi," and asked Hannity if he had co-hosted a show with "Goebbels" (as in Hitler’s propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels).

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Grodin was obviously angry to have leapt straight for the jugular and so badly showing he can’t take a bit of joshing about his political persuasion. But, his over the top reply reveals how touchy he is on the issue. After all, is "left wing extremist" nearly as bad in general status as a fascist and a Nazi? After all, one can be a "left wing extremist" without having been responsible for the murder of millions and multiple acts of genocide! Me thinks Chuckie doth protest too much.

Grodin’s meltdown is at about 4 minutes and 55 seconds into this clip.

Take a chill pill, Chuckie!

Transcript of segment under discussion:

Hannity: Author of If I only knew then... learning from our mistakes, left wing extremist, Charles Grodin...

Grodin: Here's the right wing fascist, Sean Hannity...

Hannity: Oh, stop it...Fascist? You call me a fascist?

Grodin: You're a fascist. Didn't you used to co-host a show... did you not co-host with Goebbels before you met Alan?

Colmes: Ohhhh!

Hannity: That is so insulting... your'e calling me a Nazi?

Grodin: Well, I'm a left-wing extremist? I didn't say you're a Nazi, see I said your co-host was a Nazi. I think there is a difference.

(H/T Johnnydollar)

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wow, just wow. This is

wow, just wow.

This is just aesthetics, but can you make the video a bit larger?

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Ah, I know now,

Ah, I know now, thanks!

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The video

I'd be content if the link worked.

Apparently there is a

Apparently there is a problem, but I can no longer edit this thread, so you'll have to go to the link at the bottom, johnnydollar had the video

So Alan Colmes starts out

So Alan Colmes starts out by telling Grodin how he misses his show.

Good grief!! Does anyone remember Grodin's show? It was the most excruciating 6 minutes in TV...I say 6 minutes because that's how long it took for the phrase "better than a sharp stick in the eye" to start looking doubtful. Grodin would give these little "soliloquies" while never looking at the camera...he would be looking sideways and up like he was staring at a fly on the wall..it hurts just to remember it.

Anyway, like all liberals, Grodin can dish it out but can't take it.

mb... That show was past

mb...

That show was past pathetic along with painful.

He is not a man is all I could ever think of when he was drooling on adn on adn on always almost about to cry to-boot.

I guess Sean hit his

I guess Sean hit his sensitive spot. It is the lefties who are the real fascists, with their kneejerk ideology and favored groups.

Goeth Grodin, so goes Olbermann

I remember Grodin's show as a calm, even tempered black helecopter laden show against the Vast Rightwing Conspiracy

My point is, in ten years it will be an old out-of-work Olbermann going on Hannity's (or current conservative's) show and calling the host a Nazi.

I'm calling my shot.  You may qoute me.

When a liberal speaks, the truth is busy elsewhere.

Don't be so hard on Ol' Charlie,

 

After all he's what passes for an intellectual in Hollywood these days. (He graduated from High School).

He wrote a book. (well actually he wrote down what a lot of his morally challenged friends said and put his name on it)

Was on "60 Minutes". (Oops, well 2 out of three isn't bad)

He's a has-been comedian pimping some book no one will ever buy who doesn't have the sense to realize thast he actually IS a left wing extremist.

Tempest in a teapot!

 

 

Oh...he "wrote" a book

Hell, I thought they said he had "read" a book.....my bad...

Sounds like ol'Charles

Sounds like ol'Charles needs to add a new section to his book...

BTW If Sean is such a Nazi, why is Grodin using him to sell his book...isn't that a bit hypocritical?

Maybe Beethoven made him

Maybe Beethoven made him crazy.


What doesn’t kill you, only makes you pissed off. -Children of Bodom  

Yawn.

His book is fishwrap material and his "sell-by" date was passed long ago.

National Socialist Party NAZI

I blogged about this 5 years ago and it is as good of a place as forever Newsbusters to post this again in synopsis explaining to the masses and meatheads like Grodin the terms he is flaunting incorrectly.

There are right wing and left wing political movements. The key to understanding them are as follows moving right to left.

Right wing starts out with the Junta or military controls of civil population for an "extreme right". It then according to Biblical definition (not extreme at all) with God at the head of Government which Christ will rule (and no, here am I not speaking of Ahmadinejad nor the Pope). Then comes the Royal families. Out of this come the Republic which is the purest form of Government ever created by humans.

As it degrades then, it becomes leftist in "democracy" which is organized mob rule of might makes right and takes away rights. Then comes socialism which is everyone steals from everyone. Then appears fascim where it is one dictator ruling with full control of industry but freedom yet of property rights. The last is the communist dictatorship which is theft by group and no citizen being able to advance themselves nor own any property. It is pure enslavement of the population.

Grodin and so many dimwits throw terms around like Nazi. Hannity is no socialist and I have never heard him ever call for rounding up Jews or sodomites nor has he voiced for government control over industry.

Grodin though by being what he states is a Nazi. He is the one labeling "others not like him", calling redlands people into question like his ilk did the Jews, he is the one demanding government controls on everything..........and if you examine Hollywood, which he is a card carrying member which excludes to advance others not in the union and whose governing body has monopoly control of work and property...........Grodin, Letterman.......they are Nazi by the definition of their voting and their lives.

For the record, Ahmadinejad is an Islamocommunist and the Pope is akin to a Royal socialist in order. Neither of which have anything to do with God's pure form of Government.

In research, the Lai Fial or Jacob's Pillar Stone resides with the British and the kingly lines of those isles are the seat of King David's Throne. The Scots in their Declaration of Arbaroath which was the foundation of our Declaration of Independence states they are one of the Lost 10 Tribes of Israel having migrated from the Middle East over generations.

So for an interesting fact, the throne of David which the Bible states Jesus will take back as His Own currently has Queen Elizabeth on it. Her line united again with the King Henry line in Diana.

This is what was wrong with that stupid DaVinci Codes nonsense. They are bastardizing what is fact with stupidity. Jesus never married anyone, nor had children with Mary Magdalene. Records in the Bible hint at when Jesus earthly parent, Joseph the carpenter died that his uncle "another Joseph" is listed as head of family.

This Joseph is thought to be Joseph of Aramathea of the Bible who buried Jesus. Joseph of Aramathea is thought to be the husband of Mary Magdalene who in Hebrew terms would be Jesus legal stepmother.
Mary, Jesus mother, did have children with Joseph the carpenter, and it is these children who moved out of Jerusalem before the Romans sacked it to immigrate amont the lost 10 tribes established in Europe. These kindred of Jesus are the bloodlines which still exist in Europe today.

The Queen of England though is of the line of Joseph or Ephriam, his son as they are B'rith Ish, Covenant People in Herbrew.
Jeremiah the Prophet after the sons of the Kings of Judah were put to death by the king of Babylon in Jerusalem's fall had in his company the Kings daughters.
Jeremiah brought as was his calling from God to transplant the line of David back into the breach which occurred in Judah when Tamar had the twin sons. So David's line came to the Tuatha de Danan or part of the tribe of Dan which had settled in exile in Ireland.

The throne then moved to the Scots and finally to Angle Land, Land of the Angles or Anglo Saxons (Saxons is not the Sachs or swords of German, but is the literal Biblical definition, of Sac Sons as in Isaac's Sons.)

So the pure government of God will be instituted by Jesus when David who will never want for any of his children on his throne, is taken by Jesus as when He ordained it in anointing Abraham.

Not that complicated as Jacob renamed Israel by God said his name would rest on the 2 sons of Joseph, Ephriam and Mannesh. Ephriam would be a great commonwealth of nations and Mannesh breaking from them would be thee greatest nation on earth ever, America. Americans are the sifted and not lost tribe of Mannaseh. England holds the diadem or royal keeping and America holds the material blessing in order to carry out the mission of God in telling the world about God.

As this began, Grodin and his hateful ignorance has no idea what he is playing with nor how in his petty back biting has no idea who the peoples are and how the old tribal lines and rites are initiating along the old lines and will break exactly as they always do when the Tribulation and the wars come.

 

God bless the good in His Name. Amen

 

 

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libtards

So, Grodin went beserk when Hannity called him a leftist extremist. I guess I should infere from Chucky's reaction that he considered that an insult. I wonder why?

If conservatives are RIGHT, then liberals must be WRONG.
Thompson/Rice

You can identify a liberal

You can identify a liberal every time when he or she starts calling someone else a fascist. 

The reason, whether they know or admint it or not, is they will do anyting to avert mention of the most heinous torturers and murderers of all human history, the communists. 

With over 100 million human deaths to their "credit" communists are without peer in this regard. 

Again, liberals will do anything so as not to acknowledge or have acknowledged communism's scrouge on mankind. 

 

Not to appear to be in

Not to appear to be in Grodin's camp Warner, but since we're all about honesty and integrity here, I have to call you on a couple of issues. First, you wrote that "As Hannity points out, Grodin didn’t include any conservatives in his list. This oversight is probably for the obvious reason that Grodin probably doesn’t know any conservatives, never met one (Hannity aside) and wouldn’t deign to speak to one even if he did." Looking at the book jacket, the names Goldie Hawn and Orin Hatch, two well-known conservatives, are clearly listed. All told, there are twelve names on the book jacket, and 83 iterviews inside, so I'm guessing that out of the 71 interviews inside the book there are more than a few Conservatives. Even if all 71 are from Libs, you're statement about Grodin is untrue and meant to infer something that's not true - that being that Grodin doesn't know or talk to Conservatives, I would expect that from CNN, but not from a NB blogger.

Also, Grodin never called Hannity a Nazi. He called him a facist.

Goldie is a Democrat,

Goldie is a Democrat, Bruzilla. Check out her campaign contributions at Newsmeat.

Good point! How about

Good point! How about Hatch? :)

Hatch is as conservative as

Hatch is as conservative as "Mitt" Romney or John McCain . I don't think he's ever met a Republican court nominee he liked - maybe Sandy Dee O'Connor (if he was around then) or that other, the failed one, Kennedy.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but no true conservative would ever claim Hatch.

...a true Beltway

...a true Beltway Republican, a concensus builder, or to paraphrase Trent Lott's self-serving self description...a cat herder.

Also, Grodin never called

Also, Grodin never called Hannity a Nazi. He called him a facist.

Phew -- thanks for pointing that out.

For a moment I assumed he was comparing Hannity to people who exterminated 6 million Jews, invaded countries and caused a world war that killed over 20 million.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

He would have been... if he

He would have been... if he had in fact called Hannity a Nazi.

Because as history tells us,

Because as history tells us, the fascists and the nazis were two entirely different beasts and in no way synonyms for each other.

It's almost like calling someone a "Red bastard" when they are, in fact, a "Commie Bastard!"

Again, thanks for your courageous pedantry4 truth campaign.

Check out my exclusive edit of BBC News America's interview with Mrs Clinton: It's news to me!

You mean that Alan didn't

You mean that Alan didn't ask Grodin if he wanted to apologize for calling
Hannity a name? He does that to conservatives all the time. Or is Alan just a
hypocrite in a one way street.

Grodin: "You're a fascist.

Grodin: "You're a fascist. Didn't you used to co-host a show... did you not co-host with Goebbels before you met Alan?"


Isn't he basically saying that Goebbels was the liberal voice on the show before Alan took his place?

 

"This oversight is probably for the obvious reason that Grodin probably doesn’t know any conservatives..."


That and the fact that conservatives make very few mistakes.

 

When asked if he went to war with Iraq to derail the impeachment vote: “I don’t think any serious person would believe that any President would do such a thing." - President Clinton (Dec 1998).

Warner Todd Huston

I have one question for you:

What in the world is Grodin doing appearing on national TV with grey dust balls all over his head?

Oh, and one contributing comment:

Grodin is an idiot.

 

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And here I was thinking that

And here I was thinking that Charles Grodin was dead!  I hadn't seen him anywhere since Midnight Run.  I figured no one who'd taken on the curmudgeonly role that young could live very long.  Oh yeah, he had a show on CNBC for a week.  That's what died.

He's still alive?

That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw his name on here.  Don't forget that he was in So I Married An Axe Murderer for about 2 minutes.

I never really liked Charles

I never really liked Charles Grodin anyway - now I just have a reason... He's another windbag moonbat moron.

The Closed Mind Erects Strong Barriers

Grodin

........went around the bend a long time ago.....he would be a great case sudy for the mental health profession.

I'd rather see that big

I'd rather see that big fluffy dog Beethoven on H&C than this guy anyday.  Beethoven would probably have more interesting (or perhaps sensible?) things to say anyway.

Left wing extremist, right

Left wing extremist, right wing fascist, potatoe / potahtoe...

As soon as you tell me how

As soon as you tell me how Grodin is an "extremist," I'll be glad to answer.

Nice dodge.

Nice dodge.

I didn't call Grodin an extremist (as Hannity said), I just asked why you think Hannity is a Fascist (As Grodin said)

ex·trem·ist

–noun

1.
a person who goes to extremes, esp. in political matters.

Based on definition, extremist would easily apply to both Grodin and Hannity, but Fascist would not.

I don't think Hannity is a

I don't think Hannity is a fascist in the strictest definition. I think he tries to control the dialog on his show by talking over people, cutting them off. That's the limit of his fascism, and I don't think Grodin thinks Hannity is an ACTUAL fascist, but threw that back at him in retaliation for being labeled a liberal extremist.

Ah, so it was a Revenge

Ah, so it was a Revenge thing . . .

Bal, true, that Hannity

Bal, true, that Hannity egged him on and was the antagonist, but they're still two different things entirely, which is what you came on here to debate.

Also, Hannity's a bit bullish, but he's on the right so he's naturally prone to being a bit agressive with a guest on the left. Also, what no one points out, is that Hannity HAS guests from both sides of the isle, as does BOR (who continues to invite voices from the left on to his show) vs. the complete phony Olberman. Naturally, he never has to interupt anyone as they're all in complete lock-step with anything he spews.

 

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Again, I think they're the

Again, I think they're the same thing in that they're both potshots from respective sides of the aisle. That's why I said potate/potahtoe.

You know what, bal? Let's

You know what, bal? Let's call the whole thing off.

But wait, you didn't name them, you listed the labels. Now you're telling us you came on and intended for the potato/potahto thing to be all about these two and not about the labels/stereotypes themselves?

Bal, you sneaky liberal, you :p

 

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No, I'm saying that the

No, I'm saying that the labels -- liberal extremist and right wing fascist -- are basically the same thing: a potshot at the other side.

I don't know why people get

I don't know why people get down on you so hard, yes I am sure your view points are left of center, but I have never seen or read anything that you have said to be "out there" like Prof truth.

 Bal let me just to say, as someone with views right of center,  I would like to have a beer with you, and as long as politics didn't come up I am sure we would be great friends.... ( wow thats sounds a little gay) 

 

so don't let people get you down

by the way did you see "Compass" yet

 

"Get off the phone you big dope!!!!!!!!!!" Mark Levin

  THANK YOU. I don't know

 

THANK YOU. I don't know why my point is so hard to grasp. It wasn't even that big a deal.

Wait... "potshots"....

Wait... "potshots".... sorry, my bad. Disregard the post I just made. Okay, gotcha :)

Yeah, they're both potshots, but you made it sound like they're equivalent. Another liberal trait, applying equivalence to everything...

 

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 "I think he tries to

 "I think he tries to control the dialog on his show by talking over people, cutting them off."

So does Colmes. Can we call him a Bolshevik?

"I don't think Hannity is

"I don't think Hannity is a fascist in the strictest definition. I think he tries to control the dialog on his show by talking over people, cutting them off. That's the limit of his fascism, and I don't think Grodin thinks Hannity is an ACTUAL fascist, but threw that back at him in retaliation for being labeled a liberal extremist."

If anyone tried to control the conversation it was Grodin, using all the methods you listed.  So is Grodin the fascist? 

Someone is not a fascist in any form because they may be rude during conversation.  One is a fascist if they embody/support the principles of fascism (which has been defined above).

The question then is whether you can show if in fact Hannity is a fascist by definition and not by partisan intuition.

BTW, if all Grodin wanted to do was take an in kind potshot back at Hannity, then why did he expand and press the issue further.

Also, Grodin was taking "potshots" at Hannity from the onset till the ending.  He took one shot at Colmes (re eyeliner) in his first comment and then nothing more.  Grodin was not playing neutral in this interview.

I'd say Hannity showed more class and self restraint than Grodin.  Colmes was vapid. 

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

I never said Hannity was a

I never said Hannity was a fascist. I'm simply saying that if one person throws out "liberal extremist," it's not unexpected for "right wing fascist" to follow. 

"I don't think Hannity is a

"I don't think Hannity is a fascist in the strictest definition. I think he tries to control the dialog on his show by talking over people, cutting them off. That's the limit of his fascism..."

By your words, everyone is or has been like a fascist.  That is the weakest of weak links.  Rudeness is not the sole domain of fascism.  Despite the addition of the qualifying statement of "strictest sense", your subsequent "limit of his fascism" belies your beliefs that Hannity is fascistic in action.  Yet, those qualities you imbue on Hannity as being fascist-like can be said of nearly every person on the planet at one time or another. 

Your reasoning of what determines fascism, in this case conversational behavior, could be said about socialism, communism, capitalism, the Knessit, the UK Parliament, the South Korean Parliament and a great deal of any other discussions between those with opposing viewpoints. 

The comparable in kind insult would be 'Right Wing Extremist'.  Calling Hannity a fascist is ratcheting up the rhetoric.  Moving next to the Goebbels comment was further inflammatory commentary.  Let's not forget that Grodin had called Hannity a Jew just a couple of minutes beforehand.  Your argument employs grammatical relativism in order to equate unequal insults/labels. 

And then there is the fact that Grodin was nipping at Hannity from the 30 second mark until the end.  Either Grodin is bestest joking buddies with Hannity or he was prejudicial against Hannity before the interview began.

In my opinion, the evidence shows that Grodin was intentionally trying to provoke Hannity from the get go.  His lack of attack directed towards Colmes strengthens the argument that Grodin is a Liberal with a dislike of Hannity.

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

Obviously Grodin thought

Obviously Grodin thought Hannity was being provocative in his characterization of Grodin.

Did you watch the video

Did you watch the video from the Hat Tip listed at the end of the article?

Grodin comes out swinging at Hannity from the beginning.  By my count, Grodin snipes at Hannity 15 times during the segment, Hannity at Grodin 6 times. 

While a couple of Grodin's swipes may be part of his schtick, and Hannity's good naturedness in the face of the ribbing would lend itself to such, Grodin is obviously more than just acting a part with the majority of his assaults/insults.

The provocateur is clearly Grodin for the entire segment.  If anything, Hannity reacted to a variety of side swipes from Grodin.

I don't know if I would classify Grodin as an "extremist", not knowing enough about his politics or activist nature, but I sure as hell wouldn't classify Hannity as a fascist.  And the further escalation of rhetoric (ie Goebbels) does not settle well either.  That was about as catty as a non-metrosexual can get.

Killing them with kindness isn't working.  Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.

Charles Grodin Show

Not long after "Beethoven" Chuckie had a talk show that got cancelled after about 3 shows.  It was pathetic.

What's the name of his book?  "I Was Just Another Stupid Male Figure in Yet Another Stupid Disney Flick

I ♣ My Seal

That was his last book. This

That was his last book. This one is titled "I'm an emasculated male and I'll prove it by whining about how I was 'wrong' once"

I was wrong once too.

I thought I was wrong, and then realized I was mistaken about being wrong.

BTW, have you been checking out all the Buzz tonight with Drudge reporting John Edwards has "one in the oven" with the advisor he flatly denied having a tryst with? 

Some question at this point as to which America said offspring might grow up in.

I ♣ My Seal

...My guess? The poor

...My guess? The poor America because he'll surely turn his back on his love child!

The Trailer Park

He can set 'em up in the Trailer Park across the street so the kid can learn the value of a dollar mowing grass. 

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bal


Left wing extremist, right wing fascist, potatoe / potahtoe...

Sorry bal, but I'm afraid we can not call the whole thing off, and I think Free explained the clear distinction between those two labels.

 

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I know there's a difference

I know there's a difference in the definition, but one's a slur aimed at liberals, the other a slur slung at conservatives.

C'mon guys, I understand

C'mon guys, I understand what he is saying, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.....wheather or not Grodin is an extremeist, or Hannity is a facsist, it's just school yard name calling.   I am sure Hannity meant it in jest, but Grodin took it as an insult so he tossed one back in  amore spiteful way.

Sean served up a Left wing extremist Grodin lobbed back right wing fascist .   

 

 

 

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Isn't it only extremism

Isn't it only extremism when the extremist is willing to to kill, riot, destroy public property, take hostages, etc. to further their cause?

I think what many fear is rather "extremist-sounding language" where they are afraid that words can and inevitably will turn into violent action.

I don't support that POV.

-PJ 

"Trake: Your lofty convictions are another blemish on the rump of congregational sectarianism." -Tumbler 5/15/07 

Could you define that please?

Hey Mr Streisand, could you please define "facist"?

Thank you.

Painful

Watch Grodin’s body language during this whole clip, arms
folded, very defensive, very confrontational, I actually think he was seething
with anger. I don’t think this guy has ever been confronted about his leftist
views before and he did very badly. His full attention was on Hannity, no looks
toward Colmes at all. He was sputtering and
left to one question over and over again, “what one thing did you do wrong
Sean?” like some child. I got the
feeling that he was thinking of physically hitting Sean but at least had sense
not to as Hannity would have killed him.
The interview was over long before it was over and it was painful to
watch. I would think that a trained actor
would at least act but what we got was the real Grodin, and sniveling little
troll of a liberal who can’t take it.
Compare this loser with Mike Farrell, a pretty big liberal whom I don’t
agree with but respect as he can take the heat and articulate his position very
effectively. Farrell can talk about this
stuff and take it and still come off professional; Grodin comes across like an
immature fool. Where’s the hook when you
need it?

I watched it, just saw

I watched it, just saw three pros horsing around.

'How can you sing "Bridge over troubled waters" and not be a left winger -- rofl.'

By the end they were all laughing. Guess I don't see what the big deal is on this one. Excellent reparte.

Almost all liberals get angry

when called a left-wing extremist because they are trying to hide that fact from the general public. Letting their cat out of their bag is very frustrating for them.

The day that "politician" became a career choice is the day we started losing the Republic. Let's get it back! Alan Keyes '08.

Name calling from the left

Bile like this is spreading to our kids....

In my son's freshman high school American Government class, they divided into different fake parties and had a debate. All but 2 'parties' had some negative plank about the Iraq War. Every time one of them brought it up, my son would start asking them why they were against the war. Not one of them could answer.

One kid got so mad at my son he said "You're going to be the next f**king kid who pulls a Columbine". So now high school kids are equating support for the military and our country with crazy, mentally ill murderers. Nice.

Needless to say, he got a referral and kicking out of class. Fortunately, the teacher is one of the few non-moonbat history teachers.

Charles Grodin "I'm not political"

It's still amazing to me how Liberals will rarely admit, if ever, that they are left of center.

They all think they are either Centrists or the old "I've voted for Republicans and Democrats, I'm independent".