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The new album from The Eagles, Long Road Out of Eden, is just one long, sustained attack on the integrity of the United States and is as bad as any loud-mouthed Dixie Chicks diatribe. With songs prosaically about Global Warming and the evil American “empire,” seemingly the only one of the band who just wanted to entertain the fans was Joe Walsh, the others too puffed up with their own sense of superiority to bother. Unfortunately, what we have here just another exclamation from pampered rock stars that they are smarter, more environmentally friendly and more caring than the rest of us... but be sure and buy more albums for gifts folks! This album should have been titled “Long Trip to the Bank” because for much of it the band seems to be on autopilot and too much of it seems like a cynically geared ploy to sell plastic as opposed to a solid attempt to entertain. It seems that they consciously wrote this one to appeal to sectors of the radio market -- the country market, adult contemporary -- so much so that the album lacks freshness. Several of the songs are so obviously written to have a country sound in an effort to get airplay on America’s country stations, for instance, that it’s a bit hard to get past the obvious ploy to enjoy the tunes.
This two disc set starts out with a short, whiney little piece that is a blatant plea to appeal to those worried about global warming. “No More Walks in the Wood,” penned on autopilot by Don Henley, from a poem by John Hollander, it ridiculously whines that his walk in the woods ain’t so cool anymore because “The trees have all been cut down.” Hollander’s poem tried to be clever with a globaloney reference, but it just ended up sounding clumsy. “This is the aftermath,” Henley warbles, “Of afternoons in clover fields, where we once made love… where we made our own weather.” Naturally, we ruined it all, man! It laments that “now they are gone for good” as if we could destroy all the clover fields and trees in the world. This little piece is not very subtle, but it is thankfully a short one at two minutes.
Sometimes, I forget how preachy and boring Frey and Henley can get.
The second tune, “How Long,” is the one we hear on the radio currently and it is not too bad, but one gets the feeling it was targeted to the country market too consciously in this version. Both “Busy Being Fabulous” and “I Don’t Want to Hear Any More” are also so obviously targeted to the country market that it’s hard to get past the obviousness of it. Granted, the band has always had a country feel to many of their songs, but this time it seems too calculated. Still, this one isn’t too bad, but it should be no surprise because this one isn’t really a new song. It’s an old one repackaged.
Joe Walsh has a nice tune on disc one called “Guilty of the Crime.” But, I have to admit that every Walsh song that has ever appeared on an Eagles album seemed out of place. What Walsh was ever doing with the Eagles, I’ll never know. His style is so different from the others, both his guitar work and his vocals, that he just seems the odd man out. I love his work, though, so don’t see this as a criticism, but more of a simple observation.
“Fast Company,” fronted by Don Henley is another one that seems to have been written on autopilot. It almost sounds bad enough to have appeared on a cheap 1980s teensploitation movie to represent “rock” on the soundtrack. Henley’s falsetto didn’t work very well here, either, sounding strained instead of natural. Plus, the horns sounded like something I heard from a Peter Gabriel album (check out Gabriel's tune The Barry Williams Show and you might see what I mean). It just doesn’t sound like the Eagles.
The worst of them, though appears on Disc two. Three songs almost in a row, “Long Road Out of Eden.” “Somebody,” and “Frail Grasp on the Big Picture” all go for scolding America, Americans, and just about everything that we are. Calling us an “empire” and basically calling every American stupid, the Eagles paint a grim picture of the very people who they are asking to spend $12 bucks at WallMart for the privilege of being called idiots by these aging rockers.
Let’s start with “Long Road Out of Eden,” the song that supplies the album’s title. It’s so painfully obvious that the preachy whiners in the Eagles don’t like the action in Iraq that it seems somewhat simple-minded.
“Moon shining down through the palms, shadows moving on the sand.”
Gee, what “sand” do ya think they are on about, huh? And if that isn’t obvious enough they follow that up a few lines later with, “Back home I was so certain, the path was very clear. But now I have to wonder: What are we doing here?”
So, we are in Iraq and we don’t know why? I am also a bit miffed that it could be imagined that the Eagles are using a soldier’s voice to promulgate their anti-Iraq propaganda. After all, WHO is “over there” but our soldiers, anyway?
Then the song attacks the rest of America.
“Music blasting from an SUV, on a bright and sunny day. Rolling down the interstate, in the good ol’ USA. Having lunch at the petroleum club, smokin’ fine cigars and swappin’ lies.”
“Lunch at the petroleum club?” Yeah, it’s all about the oil. How subtle, Eagles.
The song attacks our politicians as “captains of the old order” who are “clinging to the reins” and are “assuring us these aches inside are only growing pains.” Then basically calls us all stupid with, “Weaving down the American highway through the litter and wreckage and the cultural junk, bloated with entitlement, loaded on propaganda, and now we’re driving dazed and drunk.” Yeah, like the Eagles didn’t help us along down that road with their many albums adding to that “junk” culture? (Give me a break)
And here is the money shot:
“But the road to empire is a bloody, stupid waste, behold the bitten apple, the power of the tools. But all the knowledge in the world is of no use to fools.”
Yeah, right. So, our politicians are evil, our people are stupid and we are only out to create an empire. So, the USA is to blame for all the world’s ills to a bunch of pampered, fools in the entertainment industry once again.
Yep. It’s all us. Not a word about Islamofascists trying to blow us all up, though. Nothing about bin Laddenists cutting off people’s heads, women being stoned, young girls being murdered with “honor killings,” or homosexuals being summarily executed from our pals the Eagles! I guess they have forgotten about 9/11 and our enemies in radical Islam like so many of their ilk.
The next one is “Somebody” that warns us over and over again that “somebody” is going to make you pay for being so “evil.” Gosh, after the anti-American we-are-an-empire song, whaddya think the Eagles are saying here? Maybe that WE are evil and need to look over our shoulders at the bad things rushing to catch up with us? Obviously.
And the final outrage is the insipid track titled “Frail Grasp on the Big Picture.”
First let me say that the little booklet with the lyrics printed in as small a type size as you can get has this song’s lyrics printed next to a photo of an oilrig in the ocean. Gosh, whaddya think their message is with that ‘un, eh?
Yeah, subtlety is not one of their strong points.
So, in this one we Americans are scolded by the smarter and more caring band members as having “short memories,” that we “don’t know much of nothin’,” and that we are living in the “dark ages.”
As if that wasn’t bad enough, the Eagles next attack the religious in America by saying that they are praying to the Lord who they “know is an American.” They go for all the cheap shots against the religious, conservatives and Republicans that they can pour into one verse.
“And we pray to our Lord, who we know is American. He reigns from on high. He speaks to us through middlemen and he shepherds his flock. We sing out and we praise his name. He supports us in war; he presides over football games. And the right will prevail, all out troubles shall be resolved. We hold faith above all, unless there’s money or sex involved.”
Again with the utter lack of subtlety here. It is obvious that they hate religion, think God is a joke and feel all Republicans are hypocrites.
But, then again, they ARE in the entertainment industry, aren’t they? Isn’t it just a given that people like the Eagles look down on the very people who have made them so rich?
Fortunately, Walsh gives us another fun one with “Last Good Time in Town,” but that good mood is ruined with another diatribe against “all the people in denial” by Don Henley with the tune “Business as Usual.”
As the last tune ended, I found myself happy it was all over. This particular dash for the cash will not rank as some of the Eagles’ best work, sadly, and with the anti-American sentiment so liberally spread through the thing, it will have to serve as just another boring example of whiney, rich rock stars trying to act all relevant and meaningful instead of trying to entertain.
It’s just awfully annoying, though, that while they are using more oil to transport their concert equipment and flying about the country in their private jets than any American family would in a lifetime, they are telling us we are evil to have an “empire,” that we are creating global warming, that our religion is false, and that we are all so stupid as to be falling for “propaganda.” And, all the while, they act as if we haven’t a single enemy in the world.
Yep, they’ve completely forgotten 9/11.
Take my word for this one. Settle for listening to the single “How Long” on the radio and skip this album. You don’t need the headaches.
Let's put it this way, I spent my $12 bucks so you don't have to!
**UPDATE** 11/05/07 9PM
Welcome Ana Marie Cox's Swampland readers.
I'd like to first off say that my name is spelled WARNER not WARREN. But, hey, a link is better than a misspelled name, eh?
And secondly, I'd like to say that I am an overnight fellow. I sleep between 11AM and 8PM so, my "meth-and-Doritos rage binge" would be happening in the afternoon should they occur. I am up during my NORMAL time at 5 AM, thank you very much!
But our friendly Wonkette wanted me to say something, so I think I'll oblige.
The Eagles suck.
There. Said it.
Still, I like much of their past work... before they really got the egos in gear. That is why this review happened. If I always thought they sucked I wouldn't have wasted the time reiterating that salient fact!
In any case, welcome Swampland readers.




















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Jeez, Warner, don't you
November 5, 2007 - 09:05 ET by motherbeltJeez, Warner, don't you realize that being famous means everyone has to listen to you? Laura Ingraham's exhortation to "Shut Up and Sing!" doesn't do any good if they just put their whining laments to music instead of preaching.
Of afternoons in clover fields, where we once made love… where we made our own weather.”
We used to make our own weather??? Wow!!
and
“Music blasting from an SUV, on a bright and sunny day. Rolling down the interstate, in the good ol’ USA.
That's a bad thing???????
Well I'll tell you what, the music I'm blasting won't be "Eagles."
I'm glad I just bought the new "Backstreet Boys" CD, LOL.
They just sing. They don't think it's their job to save the world.
desperate liberals
November 5, 2007 - 12:08 ET by TruthMongerdesperate liberals
why don't you come to your senses
you been out staging "protests," for so long now
oh now you're brainwashed
but i know that you got your reasons
these things that are pleasing you
can hurt you somehow
don't you draw the king of liberals boy
he'll beat you if he's able
you know the king of Kings is always you're best bet
now it seems to me some fine things have been provided for you by so-called war-mongers
but you only want to piss and moan and abort 3000 kids a day
desperate liberal
you sure as hell ain't lookin no younger
your wrinkles and gray hairs
they're drivin you completely nutso
freedom? oh freedom
that used to be hippies (but now only neocons) talking
your prison is "clinging to these delusional communist dreams of yours, dude...let it go..."
don't your feet get hot/cold/whatever in the winter time
the sky won't snow/shine and the sun won't shine/won't not shine
it's so damn hard to tell your platform from day to day
your losin' all your marbles now, ain't it funny how the common sense really goes away (when you don't go to church much)
desperate liberal
it's man-made AGW this time, we're pretty sure...
and cheney, bush, karl rove, scooter and rumsfield - their all scum of the earth
it may be raining, but there's a rainbow above you (if you'd care to notice once in a great while)
you better let some repub save you
(and the black girls sing: let some repub save you)
you better junk the libtard platform
before it's too-oo-oo-ooo..........laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate...
Partner with Islam and the NB respect police:)
The TV ads for this album
November 5, 2007 - 07:08 ET by AlgerHissThe TV ads for this album (Why do they still call them "albums"?) contain the line "...America’s Band".
Huh? Who the Hell appointed Lil’ Don Henley with this title?
America’s Band....my a**.
Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!
What a shame, I love the
November 5, 2007 - 07:31 ET by USA4freedomWhat a shame, I love the Eagles. What the hell is it with
these people??
Why is the entertainment people that do this routine on us.
I don’t go to the local garage and the guy starts to tell me that we are
killing the environment.
But the Hollywood crowd, smarter, better looking, richer,
and worldly..
Yet they do things like slam the country, where the people
live, who buy their products. Then scratch their empty heads and wonder why no
one is buying?????
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
It is a shame
November 5, 2007 - 11:22 ET by ThalpyUSA4reedom's lament is shared by many of us. We simply can't separate their perceived idiocy from artistry. Their political pontifications cloud what beauty their work contains--it is a shame.
Art
November 7, 2007 - 00:40 ET by UnsaneWorse: political pontifications do something much worse to art (of all sorts), no matter if you agree or disagree. It freezes the work in time.
It's much better to have art that makes a run at timeless themes.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
(Why do they still call
November 5, 2007 - 07:36 ET by motherbelt(Why do they still call them "albums"?)
Because a collection of songs is an "album" whether it's on a record, tape or CD. It refers to the music, not the medium.
Guess where those tv ads tell us to go get this new album?
November 5, 2007 - 07:37 ET by NortonalecWAL-MART! I guess Henley and co. did not get THAT memo!
Nortonalec
Wal-Mart
November 5, 2007 - 13:55 ET by Del DolemonteApparently, "Wally World" will be the only retail outlet for this album for the first 1 year of its release. However, you may be able to find an import copy elsewhere.
Here's the thing...
November 5, 2007 - 07:26 ET by tater...if America and all it's people are so "evil" why aren't these complainers leaving to go to Europe, China, Iran, or Venezuala. I mean it frustrates the hell out of me they can say this crap about our country yet they still reside in the good ol US of A. I believe that is the definition of a hypocrites.
good point, if its
November 5, 2007 - 07:32 ET by USA4freedomgood point, if its sooooooooooooo bad..leave!!!!!
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
They call them albums still
November 5, 2007 - 08:15 ET by FairlightThey call them albums still because that's what they are. The word CD simply refers to the media format. It seems like everyone needlessly corrects themselves after they say the word 'record' or 'album'.
Anywhoo, speaking of new lib albums, my mom said she wanted some Kris Kristoferson so I got her his new one that just came out. When I asked her how it was she almost had this look of pre-vomit. I said 'what?', and she said that every song was about lib trash or Vietnam. I said oh no, not him too.
gee..what's next: Dolly Parton with "Whining 9 to 5"; Crystal Gayle with "Don't it Make my Red States Blue"; or A Flock of Seagulls with "I Ran (So Far Away to Iran)."
There's
November 5, 2007 - 08:05 ET by MivvisThere's nothing more pathetic than an ageing Hipster!
Thank God for Joe Walsh!
Joe Walsh
November 5, 2007 - 08:31 ET by BlondeThere's one thing to remember about Joe Walsh....the Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get.
Nothing Don Henley does surprises me. He's a bitter guy. What about Glen Frey? Apparently he has reverted to his lightweight status in the band.
Too bad. I won't even be listening once after Warner's review.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
There Goes the Neighborhood
November 5, 2007 - 09:19 ET by RiharWell, I look at it this way, when the Eagles first broke up Joe Walsh put it best when he said "I'm still the Eagles because I never broke up".
As far as I'm concerned, Joe is still the Eagles. The other guys are just riding his coattails. Oh, and Joe never pretended that he didn't like the extra cash.
When a liberal speaks, the truth is busy elsewhere.
The only good thing about the new Eagles CD
November 5, 2007 - 08:32 ET by Six String Spiff"Pull"
*Blam!*
Thank you WTH. I had my suspicions about that new album.. They are confirmed. I will go get the new Dream Theater record.
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Dream Theater
November 5, 2007 - 09:21 ET by UnsaneSystematic Chaos does indeed kick ass...
However, as a word of warning, track 6 on the album is a song about the war in Iraq with all the usual Leftist cliches. The first and last tracks, "In The Presence Of Enemies", is performed together in concert.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Thanks Unsane
November 5, 2007 - 09:47 ET by Six String SpiffIt seems inescapable now a days doesn't it? Oh well.
Now, if you want a Patriotic group (now anyway) check out Man-o-War. They dress funny, but their music is so... awesome.
"Every one of us has heaaarrd the callll"
*Dunnnn.... Dun Din Doowwww*
Heh heh
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Oh No Spiff? Who you
November 5, 2007 - 09:56 ET by LeonOh No Spiff?
Who you going to listen to now?
Sorry all good musicians are liberals. Fact.
Must suck to have to stop listening to music just because you don't agree with the political ideology of the band.
Seems nice and short sighted.
Opinion
November 5, 2007 - 10:05 ET by UnsaneSorry all good musicians are liberals. Fact. Opinion and speculation.
For one thing, "good musician" means different things to different people. Right there you shot yourself in the foot.
For your sake I hope you are not an attorney.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Name me some groups with a
November 5, 2007 - 10:10 ET by LeonName me some groups with a conservative message that are good.
Nota Bene: Kenny Chesney is not good.
Conservative Bands that are GOOD
November 5, 2007 - 10:26 ET by Six String SpiffLeon, do you actually PLAY and instrument, or are you one of those posers who ridicules everything that doesn't quite 'fit' into your i pod? What qualifications do you have to determine what is 'good' and what isn't? Get lost.
PS. I've been playing guitar for ten years. You?
Waiting for 'witty' comeback that includes some inane reference to his 'big boy' job.
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Spiff, I play guitar and
November 5, 2007 - 10:46 ET by LeonSpiff,
I play guitar and I DJ.
I've played guitar for 13 years (approx. - since I was 12) and I've dj'ed for 9 years.
I was good at guitar, but my little brother is a great. Much better than me.
I still get paid to DJ but my brother gets paid to play guitar. He's talent tested with several major labels over the past couple of months and he's gotten offers from two of them. They want him to be a studio musician.
So...yes I know a thing or two about music there tiger.
You ready to name a good conservative band?
PS love the new Dream Theater album. Sucks that you can't listen to it. You know, since they're just a bunch of America Hating terrorist supporters like the Dixie Chicks.
So, just because you play
November 5, 2007 - 10:53 ET by sunandsteelSo, just because you play guitar and dj, you are now the definitive authority on what "good" music is.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
'FACTS' and the people who use them.
November 5, 2007 - 11:07 ET by Six String SpiffWhy is it when somebody (Usually a lib) uses "FACT" at the end of a sentence, it's usually determined to be quite the opposite?
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Sun, If my statement that
November 5, 2007 - 12:00 ET by LeonSun,
If my statement that there are no good conservative musicians is SO wrong, why hasn't anyone been able to provide a list of good conservative musicians?
Michael W
November 5, 2007 - 12:04 ET by vrwc13*New
Michael WNovember 5, 2007 - 12:01 ET by vrwc13
V, We saw it the first
November 5, 2007 - 12:09 ET by LeonV,
We saw it the first time.
That's all crap.
Post some real music or get out of here.
*New Mark Schultz
November 5, 2007 - 12:18 ET by vrwc13*New
Mark Schultz TwilaNovember 5, 2007 - 12:17 ET by vrwc13
Bob Dylan's no
November 5, 2007 - 15:29 ET by TruthMongerBob Dylan's no liberal:)
And he's easily worth at least a thousand liberal artists...
But most musicians do tend liberal:( - even Gospel and CCM's - Amy Grant tends left, Sixpence NTR, etc...
Of course because Jesus tends left on half of his stuff too...
Partner with Islam and the NB respect police:)
Leon...The Decider!
November 5, 2007 - 12:35 ET by vrwc13Just ask Leon, he'll tell you the best:
Disagree and you get:
"That's all crap. Post some real (fill in the blank) or get out of here." Leon
v
Leon - a real class act...
"At least I am a guy and not desperately trying to be one." Leon
That guy
November 5, 2007 - 13:41 ET by sunandsteelLeon reminds me of those kids that just argue for the sake of arguing. Probably has abandonment issues as well, as long as we keep sparring with him, he feels good about himself.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Ok Leon
November 5, 2007 - 13:44 ET by sunandsteelWhat is the real music we all should be listening to, if all of those arent real music. List some of your personal favorites, but I swear if I see Barbara Streisand on that list, I might just spontaneously combust right here.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Sun, What is the real
November 5, 2007 - 14:40 ET by LeonSun,
What is the real music?
That depends on you.
This particular sub-thread has nothing to do with my favorite bands, it's simply a request for someone to find me some good conservative music group. Just a handful.
PS I like a wide array of music. Rest assured Barabara Streisand is not on my list.
You have constantly bashed
November 5, 2007 - 14:47 ET by sunandsteelYou have constantly bashed the groups the others listed as being conservative, calling them lame and so forth. So list some of your favorite bands or shut up.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Sun, I've constantly
November 5, 2007 - 16:40 ET by LeonSun,
I've constantly bashed all the groups listed?
You mean Ted Nugent?
I don't even consider christian rock to be part of this discussion because it's all wishy washy lame garbage.
So you guys so far have said Ted Nugent. Who sucks.
Since you're dying to know who I like, I 'll share some of my favorites, but keep in mind this list is miles from comprehensive. My music collection is massive, but here it goes:
Beatles, Zeppelin, Zappa, Grateful Dead (aka greatest american band), Pink Floyd, Allman Brothers Band, Chuck Berry, Hendrix, Cream, Rory Gallagher, Coltrane, Stones, Jethro Tull, Black Crowes, Howling Wolf, Jeff Beck, The Yardbirds, Alice in Chains, Talking Heads, Tool, Steve Kimock, Old Crowe Medicine Show, David Bowie, Karl Denson, The Stooges, Germs, Dead Milkmen, Herbie Hancock, Lyrics Born, Bob Dylan, Clash, The Band, Neil Young, CSNY, Art Blakely, Bob Marley, Ray Charles, Taj Mahal, The Roots, Sonny Rollins, Del the Funkee Homosapien, Fats Domino, Sound Tribe Sector 9, Aretha Franklin, James Brown, Irving Berlin, Taj Mahal, Etta James, Lateef, Otis Redding, Doors, Biggie, Traffic, Orbital, Black Uhuru, Slayer, Cali Agents, Thelonius Monk, Medeski Martin & Wood, Mingus, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Ramsey Lewis, Kid Koala, Rage, Peanut Butter Wolf, Tiesto, Saint Germaine, Duke Ellington, MF Doom, Maceo Parker, Bach, Mozart, Krudder & Dorffmeister, Prince, Deltron 3030, Blackalicious, Dan the Automator, Gorillaz, Simply Jeff, Radiohead, Paul Van Dyk, Sublime, DJ Babu, DJ Krush, DJ Shadow, Cut Chemist, Buddy Guy, Particle, Leadbelly, Prince Paul, Primus, Blue Notes, Velvet Underground, Funk Brothers (i.e. every single motown song), Blind Faith, Animals, Iron Maiden, Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains, Muddy Waters, Wayne Shorter...the list goes on and on and on and on.
I'll give any kind of music a chance. If it's good, I'll like it.
I have well over 10,000 CDs & Records. Don't have any idea how many GBs of music I have on my computer. One whole room in my newly purchased house is dedicated to playing & housing my music
Great Music List, Leon
November 6, 2007 - 17:20 ET by Doraemon_OReillyThough I was born in 1988 and I disagree with your opinion on Christian rock, I think this list you have here is a great list of many types of music I also like. I would keep most of the Rock legends on here, and delete most rap stars and add other rock legends, such as Elton John, Bo Diddley, George Thorogood and the Destroyers, Elvis Presley, and Aerosmith, blues legends like Robert Johnson (The Grandfather of Rock and Roll), Big Joe Turner, and Willie Dixon, and R&B legends like most Motown singers (Though you said it on your list), and more. I like listening to good rock music, though I am a Bill O'Reilly neocon.
P.S.: I really like Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, and Chuck Berry (which are also on your list), because they helped transform blues into Rock and Roll.
"Kame-Hame-HAAAA!!!!!" - Son Goku, destroying Usama Bin Laden.
Doraemon, Thanks for the
November 6, 2007 - 17:44 ET by LeonDoraemon,
Thanks for the kind words. That was as comprehensive as I could get off the cuff. I agree with all of the bands you suggested I should add to the list.
Robert Johnson is amazing and his sordid existence was almost more intriguing than his music.
Gotta love Thorogood. He was my favorite musician to listen to when I was first starting my career and poor in NYC. Nothing like ONe Bourbon, ONe Scoth, and ONe beer to make a man with a late rent payment feel just a little bit better.
I'll have to respectively disagree with your rap assertion, however, you are not alone in not liking hip hop. Most of the hip hop artists I listed do not fall into the category of 'foul' music (except for Biggie). I read your profile and I see your West Coast. You should give Quanuum Records a try. They've got great musicians (live instruments), no songs about busting caps or degrading women, and it's very unique.
As you mentioned, Christian rock is not my favorite. I just find it to be watered down rock. Part of rock and roll is having some edge, having some balls. Christian rock just doesn't have balls IMO. Part of this stems, I think, from the fact that Christian rock is marketed to all ages, the very young and the very old.
It's great that you love listening to good music and I would hope that your love for the music would override any petty personal ideologies the musicians you listen to might have. That was my original point in this thread.
I find it funny when people love a band their whole lives and then hate them one day simply b/c they have a poltiical opinion they disagree with.
Hell, I don't think we should free Mumia, but I still love Rage.
P.S. also saw in your profile, you're an anime guy...bebop?
The most dangerous Rightist of ALL
November 7, 2007 - 00:51 ET by UnsaneThat's funny...I am a huge fan of Dream Theater, and yet, you don't see me burning my t-shirts, CDs and concert programs because of their views on the war.
In fact I am the most dangerous Rightist of all: I am a headbanging Rightist.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
I've only heard of one
November 5, 2007 - 12:10 ET by balboaI've only heard of one those, and it's touchy-feely pop.
bal try some on..
November 5, 2007 - 12:29 ET by vrwc13Thanks for the links. I'll
November 5, 2007 - 12:45 ET by balboaThanks for the links. I'll try to watch all of them when I get a chance. I was looking at this one Toby Mac video, and he seems to be in favor of diversity, which is not a real conservative position. Am I misinterpreting?
Bal, what the heck is that?!?!
November 5, 2007 - 14:48 ET by The Wicked ConservativeToby Mac video, and he seems to be in favor of diversity, which is not a real conservative position.
As if that is even close to true. Diversity is not favorable to racists. Conservatives are not necessarily racist. Sure some are, but so is every liberal who thinks the words "poor" and "disadvantaged" actually means "black" And every liberal who thinks anti-drug laws are racist and target blacks. Those laws target drug dealers and users; race holds no exclusivity.
Not cool!
You can't save the Earth unless You're willing to make other people sacrifice. Dogbert the Green Consultant summing up the elite left.
I've seen many, many people
November 5, 2007 - 15:48 ET by balboaI've seen many, many people on here complaining that they don't want diversity in America. That's all.
For the metal fans
November 5, 2007 - 12:50 ET by sunandsteelDemon Hunter
Disciple
Zao
Killswitch Engage
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
"Everyone knows all the
November 5, 2007 - 15:31 ET by TruthMonger"Everyone knows all the good bands are affiliated with Satan"
- Bart Simpson:)
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Its all a matter of taste.
November 5, 2007 - 12:44 ET by sunandsteelIts all a matter of taste. Megadeth, Sammy Hagar, and Gene Simmons are just a few who have expressed conservative thoughts. In the case of Hagar and Simmons, they dont put it in their music because they understand their job is to entertain, not preach their bs to everyone.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Who says it's their job
November 5, 2007 - 12:54 ET by JasonCWho says it's their job just to entertain? Gene Simmons has never performed a song that wasn't about debauchery and women, as far as I know. Maybe that, in addition to the droning I-IV-V bar chord progressions, is why every Kiss song sounds the same. Isn't it a little more inspiring to think of an artist's job as creating something with meaning and feeling behind it?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Artists
November 5, 2007 - 13:33 ET by sunandsteelMaybe when I put in a CD I just want to hear some music, not some self righteous asswad telling me the country I live in is evil or how much of an idiot he thinks I am because of my beliefs. You can be meaningful and have feelings without being an asshole. Take the late Stevie Ray Vaughn for instance. His work has a lot of meaning to me, he could have been the biggest dope-smoking liberal hippie on the planet but it didnt come out in his music. I can still put on an SRV CD and feel the same way I did when I first heard it.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Well stated. It is like
November 5, 2007 - 13:38 ET by Sick-n-TiredWell stated. It is like the dentist striking up a conversation about his political beliefs while he has his hands in your mouth to where you can't respond or debate!
The Sky is STILL crying over the loss of SRV. His music will live forever.
SRV
November 5, 2007 - 13:48 ET by sunandsteelI remember when he died, terrible day.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
SRV Continued
November 5, 2007 - 14:00 ET by Six String SpiffSRV... One of my biggest influences. Passionate, truthful, and honest with HIMSELF. Unlike this gasbag on the shop radio right now... Neil Young... Gaaahh! "Hey hey.. My M.. *BLAM*" BLAM BLAM BLAM.. THUD* ahhhh better
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Neil Young
November 5, 2007 - 14:15 ET by sunandsteelNeil Young is a douche.
I love watching the old videos of SRV on Austin City Limits. Just amazing, big influence on me too, although I cant come close to his awesomeness.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
If that's your preference,
November 5, 2007 - 13:38 ET by JasonCIf that's your preference, fine, but don't act like there isn't a longstanding association between political advocacy and the arts. It's not like it was invented in the 60s.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
I never said there wasnt an
November 5, 2007 - 13:47 ET by sunandsteelI never said there wasnt an association between the two. I am saying that there doesnt always have to be. Sometimes music doesnt have to have a political message to be "good".
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Exactly. You can find
November 5, 2007 - 13:49 ET by balboaExactly. You can find artists who don't have a lot of "meaning" in their songs. It's called pop music.
Led Zeppelin
November 5, 2007 - 14:17 ET by sunandsteelHelloooo?? I dont recall hearing a whole lot of meaning in their stuff either, yet I wouldnt call them pop.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Ted Nugent is
November 5, 2007 - 15:34 ET by TruthMongerTed Nugent is conservative...
Do not trespass on his heavily armed Michigan ranch...
Britney Spears loves GWB...
She totally rocks the music world for all time:) - bigger than elvis mayge
Elvis loved Nixon...
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'Sun'?
November 5, 2007 - 12:58 ET by Six String SpiffWhat the hell is wrong with you? Speak proper English... yo
All I can picture when I think of Leon/Hater is that homo main character from Malibu most wanted.
Pissing match over. I don't need to run my musical tastes by you for approval. You really need a life, pal.
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Spiff, Wow you are really
November 5, 2007 - 16:19 ET by LeonSpiff,
Wow you are really nothing more than a noise machine.
'Sun?' you ask? Then you command me to speak proper english?
Did you even read the name of the poster I was replying to?
Sun, as in sunandsteel, the poster I was replying to.
Haha. Nice try. Wow you are real trip.
Sorry all good musicians
November 5, 2007 - 10:56 ET by PeskyDaneSorry all good musicians are liberals.
Even if one were to make such a presumption, that's a pretty pathetic hook on which to hang one's hat. But then, you are a liberal, and therefore... pathetic.
Leon the narcissistic contributer of nothing. As usual.
November 5, 2007 - 11:09 ET by Six String SpiffWhere did I mention I wasn't going to buy the new DT album? Are always this daft or does it take practice? Not that I have to prove myself to yo, but some of my favorite bands are Granola bar eatin, sandal wearing, tree huggin libs. You dullards like to throw around the 'closed minded' crappola too much. I was happy talking about music, and then you showed up with absolutely NOTHING releveant to say (SURPRISE!) and piss all over everybody musical tastes. Get a life, bud.
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Are there good conservative
November 5, 2007 - 11:15 ET by balboaAre there good conservative bands? I don't know if I even know a conservative band, though I'm sure they exist.
Toby Keith?
Last I knew the Henry
November 5, 2007 - 11:26 ET by Sick-n-TiredLast I knew the Henry Rollins band fit the conservative description, but i am not sure anymore...
Henry Rollins Conservative??
November 5, 2007 - 11:59 ET by LeonHenry Rollins:
1) outspoken pro-gay rights supporter - hosted a gay marriage benefit concert called WedRock
2) Personally opposed to the Bush Administration and the Iraq War.
Yep, sounds pretty conservative to me.
What part of "I am not sure
November 5, 2007 - 12:34 ET by Sick-n-TiredWhat part of "I am not sure anymore" didn't you understand?
Here are a few "republican" artists and some who are "democrats".
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-10-30-country-campaign_N.htm?csp=34&loc=interstitialskip
Henry Rollins also did some
November 5, 2007 - 12:43 ET by JasonCHenry Rollins also did some anti-Ann Coulter thing awhile back. It's on youtube somewhere.
I'm sure one could come up with some musicians with a conservative bent, but I have to say (and I will avoid making assertions of quality here), that it seems obvious to me that music is generally the province of what we would term left-leaning segments of society; for the same reasons that literature, academia, and art tend to be. There is an unspoken imperative in all of them to undermine and disrupt the status quo. Of course there are exceptions. They tend to be fairly inconsequential though, I think.
Letterman put it best in a top ten list years ago, titled "Least Popular Rock 'n Roll Lyrics," one of which was "I'm gonna rock you for part of the night but then I gotta get my rest for that big presentation about the Higgins account."
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
You dullards like to throw
November 5, 2007 - 12:02 ET by LeonYou dullards like to throw around the 'closed minded' crappola too much.
Perhaps this is because every single time a musician comes out in oppositon to the war or the Bush Admin, the right goes bananas, calls for boycotts, and officially hates the band forever.
I.E. Dixie Chicks, Bruce Springsteen, and now...the Eagles.
"close minded" example:
November 5, 2007 - 12:30 ET by Sick-n-Tired"close minded"
example: Anthropogenic Global Warming--the ability to pursue an agenda driven psuedo-science base on politics without facts; ignoring the natural cyclicity of the arguement; scewing temperature data to fit a model as opposed to using it to build the model; claiming consensus and sensoring those that disagree with said viewpoint;
yep, sounds pretty close minded to me----genius
Sacrificed Sons
November 7, 2007 - 00:46 ET by UnsanePS love the new Dream Theater album. Sucks that you can't listen to it. You know, since they're just a bunch of America Hating terrorist supporters like the Dixie Chicks. So THAT explains "Sacrificed Sons" off of Octavarium.
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Leon, there is Reba
November 5, 2007 - 13:42 ET by bassndudeLeon, there is Reba McIntire, Vince Gill and Garth Brooks. Two of which, I personaly know.
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I'm guessing it's not Reba
November 5, 2007 - 13:45 ET by JasonCI'm guessing it's not Reba McEntire whom you personally know.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
You would be wrong. Knew
November 5, 2007 - 13:53 ET by bassndudeYou would be wrong. Knew Rebas dad from my rodeo days. Dont you hate it when you stick your foot in your mouth? He was a roper, I was a bull and bare back rider. Reba wasent even singing then, except around the stock pens.
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Just a guess, based on your
November 5, 2007 - 14:00 ET by JasonCJust a guess, based on your misspelling of her name.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Rode bulls, they dident
November 5, 2007 - 14:05 ET by bassndudeRode bulls, they dident care if you could spell on not. I dont think they have changed in that respect.
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Haha JasonC, *sarcasm
November 5, 2007 - 16:43 ET by LeonHaha JasonC,
*sarcasm on
Nice try but I regularly can't spell the names of people I know personally.
*sarcasm off
If you're going to pretend to know somebody, at least spell their name right! haha.
So I typed an i and not an
November 5, 2007 - 16:53 ET by bassndudeSo I typed an i and not an e? Give me a break, "Ya moron!"
For a lib, Leon, your still pretty stupid.
ps no sarcasm here.
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Bass, just another "class" example of a Leon post...
November 5, 2007 - 17:07 ET by vrwc13Leon ought to become a teacher, at least then he would have some "class"! ) :
v
simple and plain - Leon
Dc talk...bwahahaha
November 5, 2007 - 17:11 ET by LeonDc talk...bwahahaha
and yet another "classy" response from Leon....
November 5, 2007 - 18:29 ET by vrwc13keep 'em coming junior...we can use the laughs...
v
"At least I am a guy and not desperately trying to be one." Leon
Bass, I'd cut you some
November 5, 2007 - 17:09 ET by LeonBass,
I'd cut you some slack except that those two buttons are on opposite sides of the keyboard.
You spelled her name wrong b/c you don't know her.
It's ok. Next time you're trying to name drop, just make sure to drop the right name. haha.
Opposite sides, but same
November 5, 2007 - 17:19 ET by bassndudeOpposite sides, but same finger of the opposite hand. You never do that? dont lie now. Doh! forgot I was talking to Leon.
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Howdy bass... Worry
November 5, 2007 - 18:39 ET by bigtimerHowdy bass...
Worry not...
Leon would be lucky if all he got wrong was just his spelling.
Hi BT.... Me worry about
November 5, 2007 - 18:42 ET by bassndudeHi BT....
Me worry about Leon? LoL.
He isint smart enough to worry us. He is good to laugh at tho.
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The paradox, of course,
November 5, 2007 - 13:50 ET by JasonCThe paradox, of course, with this whole "there are too conservative musicians out there" response, is that the only way to know that those artists are conservative would be because they are outspoken about it or because their lyrics imply it, which would then torpedo the claim that musicians ought to just "shut up and sing" or at least should compel conservatives to condemn conservative activism by singers as well as by liberals.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Again...
November 7, 2007 - 00:44 ET by UnsaneNota Bene: Kenny Chesney is not good. Once again, you mix fact with opinion. I am no fan of his genre by any means (AND I live in TX!!!), but you will HAVE to do better than that.
Again, for your sake I hope that you are NOT an attorney. Because if you are, you are going to be a poor one, in both senses.
An artist who is very much a conservative in the world of rock is Ted Nugent. Plenty of people like him. I like a few of his songs.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Leon the narcissistic contributer of nothing. As usual.
November 5, 2007 - 10:11 ET by Six String SpiffLeon, you don't know me. Don't pretend to know me. I like a lot of things, especially music, that don't fit with my fellow 'neocons' thank you very much. It must suck to be SUCH a tool that you have to go onto a website and bash something of which you evidently know ZERO about to make yourself feel better. I won't get in your way though. By all means, continue to hold up that giant "I am an A-HOLE" sign.
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Obviously, our "pal" Leon
November 5, 2007 - 10:16 ET by Warner Todd HustonObviously, our "pal" Leon doesn't know a thing about country music... do he!?
Warner, I love
November 5, 2007 - 10:51 ET by LeonWarner,
I love country/blues music.
But I like real country. None of this garbage contemporary, carrie underwood, faith hill crap.
Um... Faith Hill signed her
November 5, 2007 - 11:01 ET by PeskyDaneUm... Faith Hill signed her first contract 15 years ago. Hardly makes her garbage "contemporary" - whatever colloquialism you meant. Pay attention.
So Faith Hill isn't a
November 5, 2007 - 12:03 ET by LeonSo Faith Hill isn't a contemporary artist?
That's weird, didn't she lose some big award to Carrie Underwood for performer of the year just last year?
Seems pretty contemporary to me.
The year before
November 5, 2007 - 13:43 ET by bassndudeThe year before Leon.
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You mentioned them in the
November 5, 2007 - 14:22 ET by PeskyDaneYou mentioned them in the same breath as though there is no genational difference. Hill is old enough to be Underwood's mom. Again, PAY... ATTENTION...
and that has what to do
November 5, 2007 - 16:44 ET by Leonand that has what to do with her current, contemporary popularity?
Furthermore, aren't most of these popular 'country' musicians 15 years older than carrie underwood?
I get the sense you mean
November 5, 2007 - 13:02 ET by JasonCI get the sense you mean you don't like commercial country. I'm the same way. Townes Van Zandt, Gillian Welch, Old Crow Medicine Show, Hank Williams, even Robert Earl Keen; love that stuff.
Uptempo stuff that gets played on country stations with names like Red-Hot Country Hits where the artists pretend to be blue collar and the songs tend to be about their trucks or inserting boots into Arab rectums; no. That kind of country makes my brain hurt.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
"their trucks or inserting
November 5, 2007 - 13:48 ET by bassndude"their trucks or inserting boots into Arab rectums; no. That kind of country makes my brain hurt. " That figures Jason. By the way, Toby Keith was raised just down the road from us. Went to the same schools with my middle son and I happen to like his "boots into arab rectums" song. So do our troops. Cant help it that you have such a weak brain.
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Ohhh, so you all get to
November 5, 2007 - 13:57 ET by JasonCOhhh, so you all get to bitch freely about the music you all hate, but I have a weak brain because I don't like Toby Keith's brand of country? Anyway, I thought you all hated when musicians made political statements. Aren't they supposed to just shut up and sing?!
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
I would think you would
November 5, 2007 - 14:03 ET by bassndudeI would think you would like Tobys music. He is a democrat you know.
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Oh? I'm not. But
November 5, 2007 - 14:05 ET by JasonCOh? I'm not. But politics, and ass-kicking-centric lyrics aside, I still feel that he plays dime-a-dozen commercial country songs with no feeling or depth.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Question
November 7, 2007 - 00:58 ET by UnsaneJasonC - Wasn't Toby Keith singing about a topic that should (theoretically) unite Leftists and Rightists?
P.S. Born in TX, spent 20 years of my life here, LOVE this state...but avoids country music/virtually anything else like the plague.
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You have to have a strong
November 5, 2007 - 13:57 ET by balboaYou have to have a strong brain to like songs about boots into arab rectums? Really?
It must be that I just
November 5, 2007 - 14:02 ET by JasonCIt must be that I just didn't get the subtleties.
You'll like this Bal:
http://www.theonion....
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Actually, Toby Keith is a
November 5, 2007 - 14:10 ET by Roger the ShrubberActually, Toby Keith is a Democrat.
Don't really care. Still
November 5, 2007 - 14:13 ET by balboaDon't really care. Still don't like his music.
He actually has some funny songs that he does, that he and his band used to play just on the bus. But his regular stuff...blah.
Agreed, Bal. Not a fan of
November 5, 2007 - 15:21 ET by Roger the ShrubberAgreed, Bal. Not a fan of pretty much any country music.
After watching Walk the
November 5, 2007 - 15:25 ET by balboaAfter watching Walk the Line, I really enjoyed some of those songs. And there are some Patsy Cline songs in movie and TV shows that are great mood songs.
Yes, so I've been informed.
November 5, 2007 - 14:13 ET by JasonCYes, so I've been informed. The point being?
I still wouldn't put it past him to write about kicking Ahmadinejad clear out of the US of A, and them Columbia pinkos right along with 'im, by God.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
What's so tuff?
November 5, 2007 - 14:27 ET by MightyMouth"I-need-a-Job" rhymes with a Ahmadinejad. The onion sucks now-a-days!
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
The point is not all country
November 5, 2007 - 15:18 ET by Roger the ShrubberThe point is not all country music is created by dumb knuckle-dragging redneck warmongering Neo-Cons, like you seem to think, Jason. Just like not all rockers are pro-gay marriage,pro-abortion, tree-hugging pussies.
So, lighten up, Francis.
Rog, scroll up to where I
November 5, 2007 - 18:36 ET by JasonCRog, scroll up to where I listed all the country artists I like quite a bit. I'm criticizing pop country, and for purposes of aesthetics, not politics.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Dead on JasonC, You knew
November 5, 2007 - 18:02 ET by LeonDead on JasonC,
You knew exactly what I was saying.
I prefer traditional country - songs where there's no songwriter b/c nobody knows who made it up, (i.e. Goin' down the road feeling bad).
Old Crow Medicine Show is a new band to me. Heard about them last year. They are a great band. And a perfect example of non-commerical country being way better than Toby Keith crap.
Also like Del McCoury Band, Railroad Earth, Emmylou Harris, Vassar Clements, Yonder Mountain String Band, Woody Guthrie, Bill Monroe, again the list goes on and on...
Great list there Leon.
November 5, 2007 - 18:41 ET by JasonCGreat list there Leon. Ryan Adams' most recent stuff is awesome too. I like all of his stuff, but his last couple albums, he's been on a serious old-school country jag.
Old Crow was easily the best concert I've ever seen. Blew me away in a little bar with like 100 people, tops. They're whole repertoire consists of reworked songs that are like 100 years old. Awesome stuff. You should check out King Wilkie.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Machine Head
November 5, 2007 - 10:03 ET by UnsaneI like Machine Head also. Their song "In The Presence Of My Enemies" (not to be confused with Dream Theater's songs of the same title) has a patriotic theme according to some friends of mine. According to them, the song is aimed at the terrorists. The song concludes with the line "On your grave, I will stand!!!" over and over. Good stuff.
Indeed, the political crap is inescapable these days. To prove it, check out the Dream Theater-related project, O.S.I., especially their album Office of Strategic Influence.
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Hell yeah, Unsane! MH Rocks
November 5, 2007 - 10:07 ET by Six String SpiffYeah.. I have BLASTED that in my 97 Lumina.. Not an SUV, but hey.
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What a shame. That's one
November 5, 2007 - 08:42 ET by WhoIsJohnGaltWhat a shame. That's one album I won't be buying. Maybe I'll practice that new lib "stick it to th' man" protest passtime, which is downloading the album via eMule without paying for it.
Of course I would only do it for spite, since I have no intention of listening to it.
I think I'll just stick to
November 5, 2007 - 08:46 ET by Lord ElicaniI think I'll just stick to the Eagles music I already have, and not buy any CDs until the new Ayreon comes out.
Quo usque tandem abutere, Catilina, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet?
I was about to buy it
November 5, 2007 - 09:42 ET by ricklailI was about to buy it Saturday. My wife said "what do you want with that?" I guess she thinks that a 56 year man don't like the Eagles. So I put it back. Glad I did. Thanks for the review Todd.
By the way, I bought her a Glenn Miller CD.
Southern by birth, Tarheel by the grace of God!
A couple of things; No
November 5, 2007 - 09:52 ET by crazywaterA couple of things;
No More Walks In The Wood is a poem written in 1995 by John Hollander.
Fast Company is sung by Don Henley.
How Long is an old Eagles tune and a clip of them singing it live in 1972 can be seen on YouTube at this link http://nl.youtube.co...
Knowing full well that there would be an abundance of self-righteous dreck on this album I bought it anyway. Once you get past that absolute absurdity of Henley preaching to us that we are all so dumb that we can't see the forest through the trees and that only he can lead us to Eden it really is quite funny when you realize that they made this album only available through the evil Walmart and their website. All the while slamming the very enterprises that allow them the lifestyles that they enjoy. It make the album that much more enjoyable. And musically it is very good.
Thanks for the clarification
November 5, 2007 - 10:14 ET by Warner Todd HustonThanks for the clarification on the song "Fast Company." I thought it sounded bad for a Timothy Schmidt tune. I made the alteration to reflect the right singer.
And, I knew that "How Long" was an old tune. I might have added that, but it didn't seem particularly relevant. Still, I guess I'll add it in other versions of my review.
Thanks again.
Warner has some good
November 5, 2007 - 10:43 ET by Hero SquadWarner has some good advice: Get Peter Gabriel's album "Up" (featuring "The Barry Williams Show.") One of his best, and one of the best albums of the Aughts, IMHO.
Of course, I'm a Genesis freak, so my opinion may be somewhat biased. But it's truly a great album.
As for the idea that all musicians are liberals... a) there's that broad brush again, and b) it's not that most of us care about your politics, it's that we would rather you just keep it to yourself, or at the very least make it somewhat clever or interesting.
Nice thing about the iPod is I can easily remove songs that get annoyingly political. Granted, it means the Beastie Boys "To the 5 Boroughs" has been severely hacked in my iPod... but it's also been improved.
**My Daughter at the WWII Memorial
I have never liked the
November 5, 2007 - 11:30 ET by bassndudeI have never liked the eagles, always thought is was a slap in the face to our nation that they took that name. Now, I know the reason I have never liked them.
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Leon, you have to be the
November 5, 2007 - 11:54 ET by wiwfLeon, you have to be the most idiotic ignoramus out there: Name a conservative rock band. If you had really played Guitar for 13 years, you would have at least heard of some guy with the last name of Nugent. He's a big NRA guy, a hunter, and his tunes often attack liberal viewpoints. Favs are klstrphnky and Kiss My Ass.
Reapply the duct tape to your mouth, ya windbag :)
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Nugent sucks.
November 5, 2007 - 11:57 ET by LeonNugent sucks.
Michael W
November 5, 2007 - 12:01 ET by vrwc13Ha. Thanks for proving my
November 5, 2007 - 12:07 ET by LeonHa.
Thanks for proving my point.
Christian Rock is uber lame.
Except for Cartman Chrisitan Rock.
It is
November 5, 2007 - 12:16 ET by johnwaddBut it certainly brings in a lot of dough.
Mark Schultz Twila
November 5, 2007 - 12:17 ET by vrwc13Conservative
November 5, 2007 - 14:32 ET by Hero SquadConservative Musicians
Kid Rock
Kiss
Charlie Daniels Band
The Clash
Alice Cooper
Rush
Joe Jackson
None. yeah, right.
**My Daughter at the WWII Memorial
Kid Rock - Living off 1-2
November 5, 2007 - 15:11 ET by balboaKid Rock - Living off 1-2 good songs and a starring role in "Joe Dirt."
Kiss - One of the greatest bands of all time
Charlie Daniels Band - See "Kid Rock," minus "Joe Dirt."
The Clash - AWESOMMMMMME
Alice Cooper - Some great songs. Extra points for wearing eyeliner while being a scratch golfer.
Rush - Never got 'em. Just don't get it.
Joe Jackson - Some cool songs.
The Clash conservative? ha. Keep dreaming.
November 6, 2007 - 10:40 ET by LeonHero Squad,
The Clash is not a conservative band.
Remember their triple disc, Sandinista? Remember what it supported?
Try, the Nicaraguan socialist liberation movement.
Or how about, do you remember, when they name drop Marx in the Magnificent Seven?
Joe Strummer (God rest his soul) would laugh in your face if you told him you were trying to call the Clash a conservative band.
The Clash
November 7, 2007 - 01:01 ET by UnsanePerhaps.
But they don't seem too fond of those who have a problem with Israel either.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Hahaha, when we disprove you
November 5, 2007 - 12:30 ET by wiwfHahaha, when we disprove you you say the argument sucks. The fact is is that there are conservative rockers, they make MILLIONS, and yet because you don't like their music, you just label it as the music "sucks." You are not the guru of music, you never were, you never will be. Your music choices are based on your own opinions.
You lost this argument from the get-go, because what you tried to do was claim that only your music counts, and luckily for you it was liberal. You are not the only person in the word, dude, and the other 6 billion people have different musical tastes.
For example, IF you were to say that Green Day and RATM were God's gift to music (it's a figure of speech, we all know you're pretty darn blind when it comes to religion, especially Islam), I would say they suck, BECAUSE I don't like that type of music.
Your "music sucks" argument is a double edged sword, and in this case a 5.999 Billion to you edged sword.
Never ever diss the Nuge. Unless you can provide substance to your argument as to WHY HE SUCKS (composition by composition, text and music, as well as other factors), I'll consider reading another one of your posts.
Again, reapply the duct tape to that piehole of your you call a mouth.
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The reason The Nuge "sucks"
November 5, 2007 - 14:52 ET by sunandsteelThe reason The Nuge "sucks" is because he eats meat, owns guns, hunts, says what he damn well pleases, is not afraid of offending anyone, drives big trucks, and basically gives everyone who doesnt like it the finger. Yeah, I want to be like The Nuge.
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Ted Nugent ROCKS!!! Get
November 5, 2007 - 14:54 ET by Clear thinkerTed Nugent ROCKS!!!
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I like Ted Nugent. That
November 5, 2007 - 14:57 ET by sunandsteelI like Ted Nugent. That might not have been clear.
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sas... LOL... You made
November 5, 2007 - 15:01 ET by bigtimersas...
LOL...
You made it clear and I agree with you and Ct.
sunandsteel... I
November 5, 2007 - 15:01 ET by Clear thinkersunandsteel...
I understood your sarc button was on. My reply was just a thumbs up to what you wrote!
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Ok
November 5, 2007 - 15:55 ET by sunandsteelJust didnt want to piss off The Nuge, if he happened upon my comments, lol.
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Leon reminds me of a fly.
November 5, 2007 - 15:17 ET by Wilbur747I find it interesting that Leon said he played guitar 13 years,(since he was twelve). I estimate he’s around 25. He also mentioned he dj’d for 9 years. I don’t know of any club that allows a 16 -18 year old dj's. In most states, he couldn't play in clubs. I guess he played a lot of kiddie parties!
I have always enjoyed a good spirited debate, and I do get a laugh at Leon’s nonsensical posts, but he reminds me of a fly. He buzzes around without real direction, craps on everything and we all swat at him which just agitates it further. If you simply ignore it, it will fly to the window and die off three days later.
Good music is in the 'ear' of the beholder. I like alot of music put out by liberals...so long as they keep their politics OUT of it.
Wilbur, You obviously
November 6, 2007 - 10:45 ET by LeonWilbur,
You obviously need to get out more. They are plenty of musicians under 21 performing in clubs.
I played violin in elementary school. Switched to guitar around 11 or 12.
Started dj'ing at 16. Practiced most of my first year. First performance, was a house part at 17. From 17 - 18 did mostly house parties and parental social functions. By 18 I was doing two clubs that had 18 and over nights in downtown philly. By 19 I was dj'ing college parties and a wide array of clubs in Philadelphia. My age was never an issue.
You're right Wilbur. Good music is in the ear of the beholder. I said that there is no good conservative music and I'm still waiting for someone to challenge that. So where is this conservative music that is so good to your ears?
Contradictions collapse
November 7, 2007 - 01:05 ET by UnsaneGood music is in the ear of the beholder.
Then you shoot yourself with I said that there is no good conservative music and I'm still waiting for someone to challenge that. So where is this conservative music that is so good to your ears?
Then, when someone tells you about conservative musicians that they like - remember, good music is in the ear of the beholder - you whine LAME or other negative comments.
Contradictions collapse. (h/t: Meshuggah)
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
They want to matter.
November 5, 2007 - 11:58 ET by mattmFor some reason, entertainers aren't satisfied with just being an entertainer. They want to be thought of as something more.
Maybe it's just an outgrowth of the same "I'm special" mentality that got them where they are to begin with...
Indeed, when you are
November 5, 2007 - 12:50 ET by JasonCIndeed, when you are involved in the arts, you are something more. Seems simple. It's unfortunate that capitalism and the arts are so intertwined, but that doesn't change the fact that most people start out wanting to say something serious. The idea that entertainment ought to be extricated from ideology and political thought is absurd to me. Those things are why we have the arts in the first place. Unless you want to make the argument for pure aestheticism.
And finally, athough I have no plans to buy the Eagles new album, as I am a twentysomething and thus required to eternally regard them as "lame", I don't see anything un-American about their lyrics. Why is it un-American to criticize SUVs? Why is it un-American to criticize our foreign policy, however hamfistedly? I don't understand the right's definitions of anti-Americanism at all.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
You have to look beneath the surface.
November 5, 2007 - 13:51 ET by mattmIt's not "unAmerican to criticize SUV's" per se, but the people who criticize them are members of a political movement that is seeking the power to prevent you from owning and operating the vehicle of your choice....that is what's unAmerican about it...
The people who "criticize our foreign policy..." are not merely criticizing our foreign policy, they are hob-nobbing with foreign dictators, acting as a conduit for enemy propaganda, ignoring positive progress, and lying about the President and his policy...
Your reasoning is flawed because you leave out the intermediate steps that should be obvious to anyone who has been following these issues for any length of time....
As far as art is concerned, it has always had social consciousness and commentary behind it...but most of what comes out of the entertainment industry these days is not art...
I guess I don't have quite
November 5, 2007 - 14:08 ET by JasonCI guess I don't have quite the same paranoid, dystopic view of the Left as borderline-treasonous.
you're the one leaving out steps, by automatically connecting the Eagles' mocking of ugly, environmentally-unfriendly, ideologically-symbolic SUVs with some sort of insidious leftist movement that you imagine to exist based on a handful of media figures and politicians.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
The annoying thing about The
November 5, 2007 - 14:29 ET by sunandsteelThe annoying thing about The Eagles and others who whine and moan about suvs and the environment is that they want you and me to feel bad about how we live and what we drive, but we arent supposed to question why they have these mansions the size of small countries or why they need 12 cars, and I would be good money that they all have at least one gas guzzling suv. They want to be taken seriously, the do it by example.
I am reminded of that stupid Lilith Fair thing that went on for a few years. Bunch of liberal feminist musicians talking their usual rhetoric about fairness and love and respect for mother earth. How do you think they made it to all these festivals? Carpooling? Bicycles? Almost everyone of them had a motor home with some sort of suv attached to the back of it. I happened to be working at a place on the highway between their stops in Denver and Dallas and counted no less than 50 of these monsters. Yet they want me to conserve, puhleeze.
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"...you're the one leaving
November 5, 2007 - 15:50 ET by mattm"...you're the one leaving out steps, by automatically connecting..."
Yes; "I" am leaving out steps - which I (I guess not so clearly) admitted in my reply to you...my point was that you have to expect this in a forum like this and fill the steps in for yourself -
"I guess I don't have quite the same paranoid, dystopic view of the Left as borderline-treasonous."
Give yourself a few years, maybe you'll realize that there's nothing borderline about it.
That may be true Leon...
November 5, 2007 - 12:34 ET by johnwaddBut he's more talented and just plain better then you. Ya savvy?
Here is my list:
Haydn, Beethoven, Schubert, Wagner, Liszt, JS Bach, Brahms, Schoenberg
I don't know all of their political affiliations, nor does it matter, they were all great.
Mozart
November 7, 2007 - 01:07 ET by UnsaneThey are all good...
...but, can they compose in their heads, like Mozart did?
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
I don't know how they
November 7, 2007 - 01:16 ET by Warner Todd HustonI don't know how they compose, but in about 80 years they will surely decompose!
(Thank you. I'm here all week. Try the veal and don't forget to tip the waitress.)
This is a shame. I was a
November 5, 2007 - 12:59 ET by misterbee241This is a shame. I was a big Eagles fan back in the day and I was looking forward to getting this one. I wont listen to this trash, so I guess I've saved $12.
Country stations probably wont play them especially around here - The DC to Richmond Va corridor. The country stations here dont play anything that sounds country.
The Eagles were once one of
November 5, 2007 - 13:57 ET by bigtimerThe Eagles were once one of my favorite groups....
Haven't been for awhile now since I heard I think it was Henley start spewing his leftists views on some show...
I'll keep all the old ones and still enjoy the tunes that have great memories for me, but I find it beyond sad when singers/artists of any kind start opening their yaps about politics or this country with their leftist views and insert it in their songs or films, in other words cramming it down our throats....unless you are running for office of some sort, shut the heck up.
I boycott any of this, whether it is a new CD or a film.
}}---> We've changed too BT
November 5, 2007 - 14:50 ET by Cool ArrowListen to The Eagles' "The Last Resort" and see if it isn't a bunch of preaching from back in the day also.
Their big break was a Jackson Browne song. If the Eagles were ever to do something in the concept genre, this is what I would've expected.
Hi Cool... You know you
November 5, 2007 - 14:57 ET by bigtimerHi Cool...
You know you have an excellent point and believe me or not I was thinking about the same thing you have mentioned about going back and really listening to some of the lyrics with how I feel now...compared to then.
I just may put one in the player here after a bit and check that out after Rush is over....because you are so right, we have changed since then.
LOL, their big break was not
November 5, 2007 - 16:01 ET by jimpryor99LOL, their big break was not a Jackson Browne song. It was written by Jackson Brown AND Glenn Frey. And they got their big break as Linda Rondstant's backup band on tour. She got them a recording contract, and the rest is history. And the band has ALWAYS been a country band at heart.
" And the band has ALWAYS
November 5, 2007 - 16:06 ET by bassndude" And the band has ALWAYS been a country band at heart."
That just aint true. You must have never listened to country music. Linda Rondstant isint country. Tried to pass herself off as that when she came back into music, but it dident wash. She had a nice poster tho. Great body in the mid 70's.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
}}---> You are correct Prior
November 5, 2007 - 17:29 ET by Cool ArrowBrowne had pretty much completely written "Take it Easy" when he turned it over to Frey. And yes, we know about Stone Poneys and Michael Nesmith.
Leon asked: "Name me some
November 5, 2007 - 13:58 ET by Roger the ShrubberLeon asked:
"Name me some groups with a conservative message that are good."
Joey Ramone was a Republican.
The Ramones are in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and few could argue they were NOT an influence on music today.
Kid Rock is a conservative, unless I am mistaken. He has sold over 20 million records in the past decade.
Since you mentioned Cartman in another post, Hater, I believe this is where you can suck my balls.
Don't feed him Rog. Leon
November 5, 2007 - 14:10 ET by Six String SpiffDon't feed him Rog. Leon is spilling his ego out of the wheelbarrow today.
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Score:
November 5, 2007 - 14:17 ET by MightyMouthRog: 1,000,000,000,000,000
Leon: 0
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
You mean, DJ Jazzy Leon?
November 5, 2007 - 15:13 ET by Roger the ShrubberYou mean, DJ Jazzy Leon?
Rog, Ramone definitely
November 5, 2007 - 18:16 ET by LeonRog,
Ramone definitely counts and the Ramones rocked.
Kid Rock I'm unsure of on two counts:
1) A lot of conservatives claim him to be conservative b/c of one song. I haven't really ever heard him speak out publicly about anything political. Furthermore, when it was rumored that he was to play at the Inaugural, there were massive protests from conservatives. Needless to say, he was not asked to perform.
2) Should we really consider him to be good music? Sounds like garbage to me.
So Roger, Ramones no doubt. You got me on that one.
Kid Rock is dubious as to his political leanings and the quality of his music.
But, earlier, you
November 5, 2007 - 19:24 ET by Roger the ShrubberBut, earlier, you said:
Sorry all good musicians are liberals. Fact.
Must suck to have to stop listening to music just because you don't agree with the political ideology of the band.
Seems nice and short sighted.
You're welcome, Hater. Pointing out to everybody that you are full of shit is always my pleasure.
Shrubmeister
November 5, 2007 - 19:30 ET by BlondeI am now totally convinced you are correct, sir. Leon is hater. The ref to baby brother earlier cemented it for me. The only thing that's missing is the stupid cat avatar he had up over on Stern.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
This thread sure has
November 5, 2007 - 14:22 ET by marvlThis thread sure has wandered into the weeds. Let us acknowledge the facts and move on:
(1) Don Henley is a turd. Remember, this fella was caught naked with 2 underaged girls and a coffee table full of cocaine.
(2) Anyone who uses the word "uber" in an English sentence is a turd as well.
(3) The Eagles were once a good band (not great, though). They are now a bunch of old has-beens, out of ideas, just trying to pay the mortgage and support their habits.
(4) There are still enough old, empty-headed hippies around to buy an Eagles album, no matter what is on it.
I don't think the issue is whether or not there are any conservative rock bands, it is whether or not there are any rock musicians who care more about making good music than making some inane social or political commentary. The really good ones stick to music: Bob Dylan or the Allman Brothers, for instance. The washed-up, out-of-ideas bands that need a fast buck will resort to writing inane tunes about current events. Case in point, some of the lyrics quoted above from the new Eagles album very nearly made me puke.
Oh, yeah, anybody who lists being a DJ as some kind of credential is in need of a brain transplant.
Bob Dylan
November 5, 2007 - 14:34 ET by sunandsteelBob Dylan had some messages in his music, but I always took it more in the line of "This is what I belive, I am not concerned with what you believe" rather than "This is what I believe and you are an idiot if you dont believe what I tell you to (although I will change my mind if it benefits me, then you better go along with me)". Just my opinion on it.
Too funny.
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In Leon's defense, there is
November 5, 2007 - 18:47 ET by JasonCIn Leon's defense, there is a world of difference between "being a DJ", ie knowing how to spin and create your own compositions out of a variety of simultaneously-moving turntables, and the guy sitting in the corner changing the CD from Celebrate Good Times to The Electric Slide during your cousin's wedding. The former, creating original trip-hop or techno or whatever is, emphatically, a skill.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Not very many good DJs
November 5, 2007 - 20:22 ET by sunandsteelNot very many good DJs anymore IMO. No Jam Master J's around, no Terminator X. Leon probably spins the fat Kool & The Gang at weddings though.
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Marvl, You said: Oh,
November 5, 2007 - 18:20 ET by LeonMarvl,
You said:
Oh, yeah, anybody who lists being a DJ as some kind of credential is in need of a brain transplant.
This statement is true...except of course when you're discussing music.
Ha. Nice try though! Joker.
Politics in music
November 5, 2007 - 15:33 ET by Wilbur747I personally don't care about how a musician votes. I just want the d***ed politics left out. When I listen to music, be it R.E.M. or Alice Cooper and the Motor City Madman, I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR THEIR POLITICS in the music.
I've always been a Parrothead (Jimmy Buffet fan), and while I hate his politics, he leaves it out of his music and doesn't preach during his shows like the Dixie Dits.
As far as the Eagles go, what ever happened to lyrics like "...drivin' down the road tryin' to loosen my load with seven women on my mind..."? It was such a great driving song, and the first song I heard when I moved to Arizona.
I miss the days when songs were about your girl/guy/car, etc.
Oh please...
November 5, 2007 - 15:56 ET by jimpryor99This is a great collection of music by one of the greatest bands this county has ever produced. I don't agree with everything they say on these two CDs, but the music and the harmonies are as strong as ever. Just go back to 1979 and one of the greatest albums ever produced, Hotel California. Ever listen to "The Last Resort"?
Some rich men came and raped the land,
Nobody caught 'em
Put up a bunch of ugly boxes, and Jesus,
people bought 'em
And they called it paradise
The place to be
They watched the hazy sun, sinking in the sea
And
We satisfy our endless needs and
justify our bloody deeds,
in the name of destiny and the name
of God
And you can see them there,
On Sunday morning
They stand up and sing about
what it's like up there
They call it paradise
I don't know why
You call someplace paradise,
kiss it goodbye
That's nearly 30 years ago, and you're just now figuring out that The Eagles are a liberal band? Who cares? Its great music with a messsage, whether we agree with the message or not.
The eagles sucked in the
November 5, 2007 - 16:01 ET by bassndudeThe eagles sucked in the 70's and they still suck today. Even more I think. Hotel California was before 79, I was in Germany when that came out and I was back here in 78. I hated having to listen to that crap in the barracks, drove me almost insane. Finely had to tell the guy to buy headphones to listen to his stereo.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Sorry, meant 1976. That's
November 5, 2007 - 16:04 ET by jimpryor99Sorry, meant 1976. That's why I said THIRTY years ago. And its considered one of the greatest albums ever released, and has sold over 16 million copies.
Its no Master of
November 5, 2007 - 20:23 ET by sunandsteelIts no Master of Puppets.
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the "music & harmonies"
November 5, 2007 - 16:24 ET by mastersofdeceitthe "music & harmonies" sound as tired as ever.
Sorry this band formed at the bar of the Troubadour isn't one of the greatest bands this country ever produced. This is.
2 Sex Pistols-Pro America (that's 2 more than the Eagles)
November 5, 2007 - 16:09 ET by mastersofdeceitWe can probably safely mark down the Sex Pistols in the "hate the government" column. A column I find myself frequently in. But did you know John Lydon & Steve Jones are very pro America? Does it make them 1/2 conservative?
conservative punks.
John:
Should do. We're similar cultures, you know a bit o' unity. I seen a…I feel
a little bit more loyal towards America than I do say backin' up some French silly
scallywag scheme, you know? Be honest.
Steve:
I love it 'ere in America.
John:
I know I do, I'm 'ere ain't I?
Steve:
I love it.
John: People 'ere
are alright. People here are, they're more friendly with each other and less suspicious
and less hateful.
Steve: Not
hateful if you do well, ya know, they don't wanna cut yer down.
John:
That's it.
Steve : They don't
mind 'avin a, you can always 'ave a second chance in America. You know what I
mean?
John: Yeah well, the fact
is you can 'ave a first chance too and that's a big enough thing, you don't get
that in England, you just don't …I tell you that - right, particularly London
- the way we grew up, to me, it was like, "crabs in a barrel." When
one tries to get out over the top, the rest'll pull it down and that's 'ow it
is there. Still is, it just won't change.
Steve:
That's a great analogy. (US. West Coast accent). I really enjoyed that
That silence from you,
November 5, 2007 - 16:18 ET by wiwfThat silence from you, Leon, that's you conceding defeat. :D
But the rest of us should feel free to relish in the Cat Scratch Fever we got from puttin Leon in a Stranglehold, all the while Klstrphnkin' him as he Kisses our Asses and Love Grenading his argument to hell!
Ohoho, I made a Nugent joke :)
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No Wiwf, That silence at
November 5, 2007 - 18:24 ET by LeonNo Wiwf,
That silence at 4:18 on a weekday is me WORKING.
Potato, Potahto, same
November 5, 2007 - 19:52 ET by wiwfPotato, Potahto, same thing.
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4:18
November 5, 2007 - 20:25 ET by sunandsteelWorking at loading the bong for 4:20.
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EAGLES
November 5, 2007 - 16:28 ET by DRM 23I am a big Eagles fan, but this album does not do it for me. There is a website here in Richmond Virginia...[sportsradio910.com], where you can go, scroll down and listen to the whole album. Everyone is right about one thing, Joe Walsh is as good as ever.
Never really cared about lyrics
November 5, 2007 - 16:45 ET by mvfreemanI've always liked a song for pretty much just the music. Never really cared about lyrics; if a song jams I couldn't care less about the words.
There are some older Eagles songs that I would categorize as country so this isn't really a stretch for them. Besides these days any older band really has a hard time finding a commercial station that will put them in the rotation.
Still irked I missed Rush when they came to town but I'm looking forward to seeing Tool.
The funny thing about the Eagles...
November 5, 2007 - 19:13 ET by rx4musicThey've all become the thing that they used to bitch about way back when. I met these guys way back in the mid 70's. I have an old friend named Jackson Browne and he introduced me to them when they were just getting started. They were hanging out with Linda Ronstadt and sleeping on the couch and didn't have hardly any money. I used to buy a sack of burgers and bring them over to JD's (Souther) place and feed these guys when I was in town. Glenn (Frey) used to talk about one day having enough money to "buy that asshole's club and run him out of town!" He was referring to a guy who owned a modest little club in Orange County who "wouldn't give those bums a job...at least not until they shaved and maybe took a shower!" The boys took it personal. I used to jam with them, bring a little stash by when I could, stuff like that. I was "Jackson's little buddy". These guys were all a few years older than me... Jump forward a few years and now I'm with another buddy from the San Diego area (Encinitas to be exact), Jack Tempchin, and we're backstage at the Roxy hanging with the boys. They've had a few hits and are making some dough and are on their way to becoming the assholes they used to despise. I was still Jackson's little buddy, but, they were still nice to me. It was funny watching the transformation from starving musicians to jerks with money. Now, jump ahead even more years when Don Henley was doing his "Boys of Summer" and "Sunset Grill"... I had the chance to open for Don at a little place up near Monterey, CA. I hadn't seen him in probably 10 years, but, he still remembered me well and was very pleasant to me. I can't say the same for the way he treated the people running the club! The tea wasn't hot enough and there wasn't enough lemon and he wanted bottled water at room temperature and no sauce on the pasta and on and on and on... He made anyone within earshot absolutely miserable! Well, after I played and got off he decided he was gonna make everyone wait until HE was good and ready to play. It must have been an hour before he went out and by then people were booing. He was awful. His voice was flat and he was having a really hard time hitting notes. The tolls of touring were catching up with him. And the thing about Don is, he's really insecure. If you tell him to his face that he's flat he'll scream and yell and act like a prima donna. But, if he here's it from one of his band that you think he's flat, he gets all meek and moody and won't even look you in the eye. So, the night ends and I get one of the biggest checks I've gotten in a long while. (They DID pay me well I have to say...) Don and his band fade into the sunset and it's years before I run into him again in Hollywood. The next time I see him he acts like he doesn't even know me. It was funny because I had met Joe Walsh when he was touring with "Ringo's All Stars" in the 80's and he remembered me right away. Even Glenn remembered me and it had been nearly 20 years...
Anyway, to make a short story long, they all had become exactly what they despised back when they were young and starving artists. Even though I've semi-retired from music, I still play with my good friend Robbie Robertson whenever he comes into town and we keep talking about doing another CD together. Maybe one day...
Sorry for the ramble. Even if those guys are pr!cks these days, it's a lazy day and it was fun reminiscing... ;^) RX
(and, I have to add, Leon, you don't know sh!t about musicians!)
rx.... Wow! Thanks for
November 5, 2007 - 19:18 ET by bigtimerrx....
Wow!
Thanks for all of the memories...you could write a book, sure would like to hear some of your music, got a few CD's?
BT...the problem is...
November 5, 2007 - 20:42 ET by rx4musicI could write a book (and some of my friends are afraid I will!), but, I would feel kinda funny about it. A lot of it is too personal. My best friend was/is an alcoholic and several guys I knew and played with had real drug problems (and if you'll excuse my language, a couple of real p*ssy hounds). Their wives and kids just wouldn't get it. As they also say for Vegas, "What happens in the band, stays in the band...". Most of the experiences that I would write about are about life on the road and dealing with unscupulous managers and producers. In my younger days I had extremely long hair and was very recognizable. People used to remember my partner and I wherever we went. We just looked like musicians. Nowadays, I am constantly mistaken for Billy Gibbons. I could drop a ton of names of people I've played with and places we've played, but, in my old age I've become very private. My best friend got married last year at Graceland Chapel and after the reception we were partying down on Beale Street. We were recognized by the house band at BB King's club in downtown and we had to ask them not to make a big deal about it... We couldn't believe it...in Memphis of all places! We're So.Cal. boys! The funny thing (and the point of my post above) is that most of the guys I knew who had success became the exact thing they despised. Jerks with money!!
Hey rx... Thanks for the
November 5, 2007 - 21:24 ET by bigtimerHey rx...
Thanks for the post back...
I of course got the point of your first post, just immediately thought of a juicy book being that I read a lot (or used to until I learned to use the computer, now not quite as much...lol) anyway, I would be like you when it comes down to it all.
Of course you have me wonderin' who you are as I think we must be in the same age area and me being raised a SoCal gal too...lovin' a lot of music way back then as long as I could understand the lyrics that is, rarely listened to televison.
rx4
November 5, 2007 - 19:19 ET by BlondeInteresting story.
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Henley sure turned into an
November 6, 2007 - 01:53 ET by stratmanHenley sure turned into an a-hole. Probably always was.
Mojo Nixon said it best in his song Don Henley Must Die. Full lyrics here. In a reference to Don Felder, who "left" (was fired from) the band, Nixon's song has a Felder Hotel California-like guitar lick with Mojo telling him to "Quit playing that crap. You're out of the band". Funny stuff. Funnier yet was that Henley once went up on stage once while Nixon was playing out and sung the song with Mojo.
Rock and roll, baby!
Killing them with kindness isn't working. Time to get scrappy with the Donkeys.
Wow, what a flash from the
November 6, 2007 - 12:00 ET by rx4musicWow, what a flash from the past. Not many people know about Mojo. He is an old and dear friend. I don't see him much now that he spends most of his time in Austin, TX. He introduced me to the "Ugly Americans" while I was visiting Austin a number of years ago. Great rockin' blues... My fave of Mojo's was "Debbie Gibson is Pregnant with My 2 Headed Love-Child". He was back doing radio in San Diego a few years ago, but, got let go in the big Clear Channel Corporate Cleansing (the b@stards own about 8 stations in the S.D. market). Last I heard he got signed to sattelite radio where he can be himself totally uncensored. Lord have Mercy!...
Too funny.
November 8, 2007 - 16:01 ET by sunandsteelLove it.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Great Job Warner
November 6, 2007 - 17:33 ET by Doraemon_OReillyWarner, You did a SUPERB job reviewing that piece of Garbage by a once-great band. I think you should be NB's resident music critic. And you have a good sense of humor too.
"Kame-Hame-HAAAA!!!!!" - Son Goku, destroying Usama Bin Laden.
Boy, the LIBS sure don't
November 6, 2007 - 22:44 ET by Warner Todd HustonBoy, the LIBS sure don't agree with you here! They are ripping me big time for this one! Ha, ha.
I just recalled another
November 8, 2007 - 10:47 ET by Roger the ShrubberI just recalled another Conservative rock musician:
Dee Snider.
Twisted Sister. Make fun of them if you would like for the makeup thing, but they sold a crapload of records in the 80's. and were a huge MTV success. Funny to see Dee Snider, the target of the Liberal-Left PMRC attack machine, a Conservative family man...
Roger, I clearly
November 8, 2007 - 14:17 ET by LeonRoger,
I clearly stipulated GOOD music. Twisted Sister is horrible.
Selling lots of records does not automatically make it good.
Stick to topics you
November 8, 2007 - 15:49 ET by Roger the ShrubberStick to topics you understand and are knowledgeable about.
Rock and roll must not be one of those topics.
Your opinion of Twisted Sister changes nothing. You were proven wrong on this thread. Shocking.
Eagles - Henley
November 17, 2007 - 20:41 ET by Jack HammerI've been sitting back, reading all this crap for about a week, now. I can't believe how hateful most of these posts are. Why are you people so full of hatred? Is this what you have to do to feel good about yourselves? Does it make you feel big and badass? Can't you have a civilized discussion about anything?
You -- rx4music -- you're a bald-faced liar. You don't know Henley at all. You just made all that stuff up. Henley never played any club near Monterey and the Eagles never performed at the Roxy -- they never hung out there at all. I know because I worked for them.
Does all this name-dropping and bad-mouthing make you feel like a big man? You're a loser, rx -- a bitter, twisted, loser. Take my advice -- stop the lying. Some of the idiots on this site may be gullible enough to believe you, but there are others out here who know better -- and they're watching.
And you, marvi -- get your facts straight or shut up. You guys ever hear of libel and defamation? Got a good lawyer?
You don't have to like the Eagles' music -- doesn't matter.
Their new album has sold almost 4 million copies, worldwide, in the 3 weeks since it was released. So, you can rant and rave and make all the juvenile remarks you want about that. You're the lunatic fringe -- nobody cares what you think about anybody's music. But, when you start with the personal stuff -- when you start the character assassination of somebody you know nothing about -- then, you have crossed the line. That's the trouble with the Internet -- it gives a forum to people who like to travel the low road.
Dude - Nice way to make an
November 17, 2007 - 22:25 ET by rx4musicDude - Nice way to make an entrance by walking in and calling people liars and threatening libel and defamation. I have no idea who you are and you haven't the faintest idea who I am... AND, I have no intention of telling you. You also need to re-read the post above. I never said anywhere that the Eagles were playing at the Roxy. It was a backstage event for someone else. There was a ton of musicians. Some of them just happened to be there. They were jerks. I'd met most of them many times before and they were nice guys then. The last time I saw Don Henley he was the most bitter person I had run into in a long time. Maybe he was just having a bad month, maybe I was being harsh in my recount of it all, but, I call it the way I see it. You are right. I don't know Henley at all. I don't want to. In my years in music I've met hundreds of musicians. Some nice, some not so nice. Some were outright @ssholes. If you really spent any time with them you know that to be the case. Same thing with managers, roadies, groupies, hangers on. I stand by everything I said and take considerable exception to being called a liar for my having an opinion. By the way, in 35 plus years in the industry, how many people do you think could say "I worked for the Eagles" as you claim? Maybe hundreds? So, why should we believe you? Were you there in the 70's, 80's, 90's or what? They weren't even a band for almost 15 years. And why was that? Something along the lines of they couldn't stand each other? Gee. How could that be with them being such nice guys and all... They all had solo careers as well. Did you work for all of them then, too? Were you at every gig and watch them sign every autograph? Right. I didn't think so. As for the libel and defamation thing, call a lawyer. Warner and anybody else has all the right in the world to say whatever they want about the politics of the Eagles new album. They are public figures. Short of calling them murderers, one can say just about anything they want. Now that they are millionaires they seem to despise the very thing that made them successes in the first place. By virtue of the fact that they ARE the Eagles, they could sell a million CD's just by reading the phone book. No suprise there. About the new album, I just love the line's quoted above... basically, Americans are stupid, religion is stupid, our culture is stupid, we are all lemmings, everything that's wrong in the world is our fault... So, how can you say we don't know them at all? We've been listening to their stuff for years. And if this is what they have to say these days, well, I'm sorry, but, I don't want to know them anymore. And it appears by the posts here, nobody here does either... THAT is the beauty of the internet. It gives a forum to people to call out others who would say such things. As I said before, you don't have the faintest idea who I am and until you've walked a mile in my shoes and know what I know, STFU. Rx
EAGLES - Henley
November 18, 2007 - 15:09 ET by Jack HammerRx,
If I really wanted to know who you are I could simply ask your "old friend" Jackson Browne, if he even remembers you at all. But I don't need to do that because it's clear who you are -- you're one of the people who were hanging around on the fringes -- one of the guys who never really made it and so you harbor all this resentment and hatred for the guys who did make it. I've never seen Henley be rude to anybody except the occasional jackass who deserved it. He's a smart, intuitive person, so I imagine he figured you out early on as being a guy with a big mouth and a chip on his shoulder. Having an "opinion" is one thing, but making false, disparaging remarks about a person, just to try to bolster your position, is another matter altogether. So, I'll say it again -- you don't really know Henley and you didn't witness the things you claimed. You may have run into him when he was visiting a fellow performer at the Roxy, but there was no club gig near Monterey and Henley doesn't use lemon in his tea and he never eats pasta without sauce, so you're full of shit. I've been there for 33 years, little buddy -- the early days, the breakup, the solo career, the reunion -- all of it, and I'm calling you out. It would obviously be convenient for you if I was not who I claim to be, but you're out of luck.
Still, it is hard to swordfight with a one-armed man. You can't even make a coherent, honest argument to back up your baseless opinions. You're the one who's bitter, pal, and it's obvious in every sentence you write. And concerning the new album -- again, it's just fine if you don't like it, but Huston's review -- his "interpretation" -- is so absurd it's laughable. All you "patriots" don't even know the definition of patriotism. You don't seem to remember that this country was founded on dissent and rebellion and that speaking out is a crucial part of being a citizen. We all have a right -- a duty -- to excercise our citizenship, and that includes criticizing the highest officials in government if we think they are taking the country in the wrong direction. When did speaking out against government foolishness and dishonesty become the equivalent of hating America? It's exactly the opposite.
Theodore Roosevelt -- the 26th President of the United States, and a Republican -- said, "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the President."
And since you're supposedly a veteran of the music business, you ought to know that the tradition of the protest song goes back to the Middle Ages, if not further. But there's no point in arguing with you people because your opinions are not based on reason or logic -- they're based on emotion and hate. In the end, it's not even about politics or music or any of that. It's about your overwhelming need to belittle and demonize people you perceive as "the enemy" -- just because they didn't kiss your ass.
But I've got better things to do than have a pissing match with a bunch of troglodytes (look it up). One parting word of advice to the young people who visit this site (and a lot of you are obviously young): Don't waste your time here. This site is just one of many Black Holes in cyberspace. It's counterproductive - a dead-end street. It's for the whiners --the jealous, the insecure; it's for people who have way too much spare time on their hands and too much hatred in their hearts. So, turn off your computer and go live your life. Don't get sucked into this void. Life is short; time is precious.
Jack Hammer
Jack...Greetings from a "Trog"
November 18, 2007 - 15:24 ET by BlondeBugger off.
We have one Jack here, and have no need for you or your inane commentary.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
Jack
November 18, 2007 - 15:30 ET byThis site is just one of many Black Holes in cyberspace. It's counterproductive - a dead-end street. It's for the whiners --the jealous, the insecure; it's for people who have way too much spare time on their hands and too much hatred in their hearts.
what a shallow, hateful, insipid post, to complain about the very thing you are doing. Have you anything to contribute to a constructive dialogue? There are a lot of other threads here. But you would rather be all 'better than these troglodytes' because someone disagrees with Don Henleys leftist foolishness? If you wish to debate Don's positions then a forum can be set up using "Don's opus" (the last resort) as the basis of discussion. Let's look at philosophy in question shall we? Or you can continue with the bombastic lambasting. Your choice, either back-up your claims or admit your a hypocrite.
“The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” -Chief Justice John Roberts
Jack Hammer
November 17, 2007 - 22:36 ET byCan't you have a civilized discussion about anything?
you're a bald-faced liar You're a loser, rx -- a bitter, twisted, loser. the idiots on this site Got a good lawyer? So, you can rant and rave and make all the juvenile remarks you want about that. You're the lunatic fringe But, when you start with the personal stuff -- when you start the character assassination
Obviously you fail to follow your own concern