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The new album from The Eagles, Long Road Out of Eden, is just one long, sustained attack on the integrity of the United States and is as bad as any loud-mouthed Dixie Chicks diatribe. With songs prosaically about Global Warming and the evil American “empire,” seemingly the only one of the band who just wanted to entertain the fans was Joe Walsh, the others too puffed up with their own sense of superiority to bother. Unfortunately, what we have here just another exclamation from pampered rock stars that they are smarter, more environmentally friendly and more caring than the rest of us... but be sure and buy more albums for gifts folks! This album should have been titled “Long Trip to the Bank” because for much of it the band seems to be on autopilot and too much of it seems like a cynically geared ploy to sell plastic as opposed to a solid attempt to entertain. It seems that they consciously wrote this one to appeal to sectors of the radio market -- the country market, adult contemporary -- so much so that the album lacks freshness. Several of the songs are so obviously written to have a country sound in an effort to get airplay on America’s country stations, for instance, that it’s a bit hard to get past the obvious ploy to enjoy the tunes.
This two disc set starts out with a short, whiney little piece that is a blatant plea to appeal to those worried about global warming. “No More Walks in the Wood,” penned on autopilot by Don Henley, from a poem by John Hollander, it ridiculously whines that his walk in the woods ain’t so cool anymore because “The trees have all been cut down.” Hollander’s poem tried to be clever with a globaloney reference, but it just ended up sounding clumsy. “This is the aftermath,” Henley warbles, “Of afternoons in clover fields, where we once made love… where we made our own weather.” Naturally, we ruined it all, man! It laments that “now they are gone for good” as if we could destroy all the clover fields and trees in the world. This little piece is not very subtle, but it is thankfully a short one at two minutes.
Sometimes, I forget how preachy and boring Frey and Henley can get.
The second tune, “How Long,” is the one we hear on the radio currently and it is not too bad, but one gets the feeling it was targeted to the country market too consciously in this version. Both “Busy Being Fabulous” and “I Don’t Want to Hear Any More” are also so obviously targeted to the country market that it’s hard to get past the obviousness of it. Granted, the band has always had a country feel to many of their songs, but this time it seems too calculated. Still, this one isn’t too bad, but it should be no surprise because this one isn’t really a new song. It’s an old one repackaged.
Joe Walsh has a nice tune on disc one called “Guilty of the Crime.” But, I have to admit that every Walsh song that has ever appeared on an Eagles album seemed out of place. What Walsh was ever doing with the Eagles, I’ll never know. His style is so different from the others, both his guitar work and his vocals, that he just seems the odd man out. I love his work, though, so don’t see this as a criticism, but more of a simple observation.
“Fast Company,” fronted by Don Henley is another one that seems to have been written on autopilot. It almost sounds bad enough to have appeared on a cheap 1980s teensploitation movie to represent “rock” on the soundtrack. Henley’s falsetto didn’t work very well here, either, sounding strained instead of natural. Plus, the horns sounded like something I heard from a Peter Gabriel album (check out Gabriel's tune The Barry Williams Show and you might see what I mean). It just doesn’t sound like the Eagles.
The worst of them, though appears on Disc two. Three songs almost in a row, “Long Road Out of Eden.” “Somebody,” and “Frail Grasp on the Big Picture” all go for scolding America, Americans, and just about everything that we are. Calling us an “empire” and basically calling every American stupid, the Eagles paint a grim picture of the very people who they are asking to spend $12 bucks at WallMart for the privilege of being called idiots by these aging rockers.
Let’s start with “Long Road Out of Eden,” the song that supplies the album’s title. It’s so painfully obvious that the preachy whiners in the Eagles don’t like the action in Iraq that it seems somewhat simple-minded.
“Moon shining down through the palms, shadows moving on the sand.”
Gee, what “sand” do ya think they are on about, huh? And if that isn’t obvious enough they follow that up a few lines later with, “Back home I was so certain, the path was very clear. But now I have to wonder: What are we doing here?”
So, we are in Iraq and we don’t know why? I am also a bit miffed that it could be imagined that the Eagles are using a soldier’s voice to promulgate their anti-Iraq propaganda. After all, WHO is “over there” but our soldiers, anyway?
Then the song attacks the rest of America.
“Music blasting from an SUV, on a bright and sunny day. Rolling down the interstate, in the good ol’ USA. Having lunch at the petroleum club, smokin’ fine cigars and swappin’ lies.”
“Lunch at the petroleum club?” Yeah, it’s all about the oil. How subtle, Eagles.
The song attacks our politicians as “captains of the old order” who are “clinging to the reins” and are “assuring us these aches inside are only growing pains.” Then basically calls us all stupid with, “Weaving down the American highway through the litter and wreckage and the cultural junk, bloated with entitlement, loaded on propaganda, and now we’re driving dazed and drunk.” Yeah, like the Eagles didn’t help us along down that road with their many albums adding to that “junk” culture? (Give me a break)
And here is the money shot:
“But the road to empire is a bloody, stupid waste, behold the bitten apple, the power of the tools. But all the knowledge in the world is of no use to fools.”
Yeah, right. So, our politicians are evil, our people are stupid and we are only out to create an empire. So, the USA is to blame for all the world’s ills to a bunch of pampered, fools in the entertainment industry once again.
Yep. It’s all us. Not a word about Islamofascists trying to blow us all up, though. Nothing about bin Laddenists cutting off people’s heads, women being stoned, young girls being murdered with “honor killings,” or homosexuals being summarily executed from our pals the Eagles! I guess they have forgotten about 9/11 and our enemies in radical Islam like so many of their ilk.
The next one is “Somebody” that warns us over and over again that “somebody” is going to make you pay for being so “evil.” Gosh, after the anti-American we-are-an-empire song, whaddya think the Eagles are saying here? Maybe that WE are evil and need to look over our shoulders at the bad things rushing to catch up with us? Obviously.
And the final outrage is the insipid track titled “Frail Grasp on the Big Picture.”
First let me say that the little booklet with the lyrics printed in as small a type size as you can get has this song’s lyrics printed next to a photo of an oilrig in the ocean. Gosh, whaddya think their message is with that ‘un, eh?
Yeah, subtlety is not one of their strong points.
So, in this one we Americans are scolded by the smarter and more caring band members as having “short memories,” that we “don’t know much of nothin’,” and that we are living in the “dark ages.”
As if that wasn’t bad enough, the Eagles next attack the religious in America by saying that they are praying to the Lord who they “know is an American.” They go for all the cheap shots against the religious, conservatives and Republicans that they can pour into one verse.
“And we pray to our Lord, who we know is American. He reigns from on high. He speaks to us through middlemen and he shepherds his flock. We sing out and we praise his name. He supports us in war; he presides over football games. And the right will prevail, all out troubles shall be resolved. We hold faith above all, unless there’s money or sex involved.”
Again with the utter lack of subtlety here. It is obvious that they hate religion, think God is a joke and feel all Republicans are hypocrites.
But, then again, they ARE in the entertainment industry, aren’t they? Isn’t it just a given that people like the Eagles look down on the very people who have made them so rich?
Fortunately, Walsh gives us another fun one with “Last Good Time in Town,” but that good mood is ruined with another diatribe against “all the people in denial” by Don Henley with the tune “Business as Usual.”
As the last tune ended, I found myself happy it was all over. This particular dash for the cash will not rank as some of the Eagles’ best work, sadly, and with the anti-American sentiment so liberally spread through the thing, it will have to serve as just another boring example of whiney, rich rock stars trying to act all relevant and meaningful instead of trying to entertain.
It’s just awfully annoying, though, that while they are using more oil to transport their concert equipment and flying about the country in their private jets than any American family would in a lifetime, they are telling us we are evil to have an “empire,” that we are creating global warming, that our religion is false, and that we are all so stupid as to be falling for “propaganda.” And, all the while, they act as if we haven’t a single enemy in the world.
Yep, they’ve completely forgotten 9/11.
Take my word for this one. Settle for listening to the single “How Long” on the radio and skip this album. You don’t need the headaches.
Let's put it this way, I spent my $12 bucks so you don't have to!
**UPDATE** 11/05/07 9PM
Welcome Ana Marie Cox's Swampland readers.
I'd like to first off say that my name is spelled WARNER not WARREN. But, hey, a link is better than a misspelled name, eh?
And secondly, I'd like to say that I am an overnight fellow. I sleep between 11AM and 8PM so, my "meth-and-Doritos rage binge" would be happening in the afternoon should they occur. I am up during my NORMAL time at 5 AM, thank you very much!
But our friendly Wonkette wanted me to say something, so I think I'll oblige.
The Eagles suck.
There. Said it.
Still, I like much of their past work... before they really got the egos in gear. That is why this review happened. If I always thought they sucked I wouldn't have wasted the time reiterating that salient fact!
In any case, welcome Swampland readers.













Comments Policy
Jeez, Warner, don't you
November 5, 2007 - 09:05 ET by motherbeltJeez, Warner, don't you realize that being famous means everyone has to listen to you? Laura Ingraham's exhortation to "Shut Up and Sing!" doesn't do any good if they just put their whining laments to music instead of preaching.
Of afternoons in clover fields, where we once made love… where we made our own weather.”
We used to make our own weather??? Wow!!
and
“Music blasting from an SUV, on a bright and sunny day. Rolling down the interstate, in the good ol’ USA.
That's a bad thing???????
Well I'll tell you what, the music I'm blasting won't be "Eagles."
I'm glad I just bought the new "Backstreet Boys" CD, LOL.
They just sing. They don't think it's their job to save the world.
desperate liberals
November 5, 2007 - 12:08 ET by TruthMongerdesperate liberals
why don't you come to your senses
you been out staging "protests," for so long now
oh now you're brainwashed
but i know that you got your reasons
these things that are pleasing you
can hurt you somehow
don't you draw the king of liberals boy
he'll beat you if he's able
you know the king of Kings is always you're best bet
now it seems to me some fine things have been provided for you by so-called war-mongers
but you only want to piss and moan and abort 3000 kids a day
desperate liberal
you sure as hell ain't lookin no younger
your wrinkles and gray hairs
they're drivin you completely nutso
freedom? oh freedom
that used to be hippies (but now only neocons) talking
your prison is "clinging to these delusional communist dreams of yours, dude...let it go..."
don't your feet get hot/cold/whatever in the winter time
the sky won't snow/shine and the sun won't shine/won't not shine
it's so damn hard to tell your platform from day to day
your losin' all your marbles now, ain't it funny how the common sense really goes away (when you don't go to church much)
desperate liberal
it's man-made AGW this time, we're pretty sure...
and cheney, bush, karl rove, scooter and rumsfield - their all scum of the earth
it may be raining, but there's a rainbow above you (if you'd care to notice once in a great while)
you better let some repub save you
(and the black girls sing: let some repub save you)
you better junk the libtard platform
before it's too-oo-oo-ooo..........laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate...
Partner with Islam and the NB respect police:)
The TV ads for this album
November 5, 2007 - 07:08 ET by AlgerHissThe TV ads for this album (Why do they still call them "albums"?) contain the line "...America’s Band".
Huh? Who the Hell appointed Lil’ Don Henley with this title?
America’s Band....my a**.
Rochester, Minnesota: A Fem_Leftist City!
What a shame, I love the
November 5, 2007 - 07:31 ET by USA4freedomWhat a shame, I love the Eagles. What the hell is it with
these people??
Why is the entertainment people that do this routine on us.
I don’t go to the local garage and the guy starts to tell me that we are
killing the environment.
But the Hollywood crowd, smarter, better looking, richer,
and worldly..
Yet they do things like slam the country, where the people
live, who buy their products. Then scratch their empty heads and wonder why no
one is buying?????
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
It is a shame
November 5, 2007 - 11:22 ET by ThalpyUSA4reedom's lament is shared by many of us. We simply can't separate their perceived idiocy from artistry. Their political pontifications cloud what beauty their work contains--it is a shame.
Art
November 7, 2007 - 00:40 ET by UnsaneWorse: political pontifications do something much worse to art (of all sorts), no matter if you agree or disagree. It freezes the work in time.
It's much better to have art that makes a run at timeless themes.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
(Why do they still call
November 5, 2007 - 07:36 ET by motherbelt(Why do they still call them "albums"?)
Because a collection of songs is an "album" whether it's on a record, tape or CD. It refers to the music, not the medium.
Guess where those tv ads tell us to go get this new album?
November 5, 2007 - 07:37 ET by NortonalecWAL-MART! I guess Henley and co. did not get THAT memo!
Nortonalec
Wal-Mart
November 5, 2007 - 13:55 ET by Del DolemonteApparently, "Wally World" will be the only retail outlet for this album for the first 1 year of its release. However, you may be able to find an import copy elsewhere.
Here's the thing...
November 5, 2007 - 07:26 ET by tater...if America and all it's people are so "evil" why aren't these complainers leaving to go to Europe, China, Iran, or Venezuala. I mean it frustrates the hell out of me they can say this crap about our country yet they still reside in the good ol US of A. I believe that is the definition of a hypocrites.
good point, if its
November 5, 2007 - 07:32 ET by USA4freedomgood point, if its sooooooooooooo bad..leave!!!!!
These are the boys of Pointe du Hoc.
Ronald Reagan- 40th Anniversary of D-Day
They call them albums still
November 5, 2007 - 08:15 ET by FairlightThey call them albums still because that's what they are. The word CD simply refers to the media format. It seems like everyone needlessly corrects themselves after they say the word 'record' or 'album'.
Anywhoo, speaking of new lib albums, my mom said she wanted some Kris Kristoferson so I got her his new one that just came out. When I asked her how it was she almost had this look of pre-vomit. I said 'what?', and she said that every song was about lib trash or Vietnam. I said oh no, not him too.
gee..what's next: Dolly Parton with "Whining 9 to 5"; Crystal Gayle with "Don't it Make my Red States Blue"; or A Flock of Seagulls with "I Ran (So Far Away to Iran)."
There's
November 5, 2007 - 08:05 ET by MivvisThere's nothing more pathetic than an ageing Hipster!
Thank God for Joe Walsh!
Joe Walsh
November 5, 2007 - 08:31 ET by BlondeThere's one thing to remember about Joe Walsh....the Smoker You Drink, the Player You Get.
Nothing Don Henley does surprises me. He's a bitter guy. What about Glen Frey? Apparently he has reverted to his lightweight status in the band.
Too bad. I won't even be listening once after Warner's review.
David Gregory, do you know which damn network you lie for? ~ Uncle Jimbo, @Blackfive
There Goes the Neighborhood
November 5, 2007 - 09:19 ET by RiharWell, I look at it this way, when the Eagles first broke up Joe Walsh put it best when he said "I'm still the Eagles because I never broke up".
As far as I'm concerned, Joe is still the Eagles. The other guys are just riding his coattails. Oh, and Joe never pretended that he didn't like the extra cash.
When a liberal speaks, the truth is busy elsewhere.
The only good thing about the new Eagles CD
November 5, 2007 - 08:32 ET by Six String Spiff"Pull"
*Blam!*
Thank you WTH. I had my suspicions about that new album.. They are confirmed. I will go get the new Dream Theater record.
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Dream Theater
November 5, 2007 - 09:21 ET by UnsaneSystematic Chaos does indeed kick ass...
However, as a word of warning, track 6 on the album is a song about the war in Iraq with all the usual Leftist cliches. The first and last tracks, "In The Presence Of Enemies", is performed together in concert.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Thanks Unsane
November 5, 2007 - 09:47 ET by Six String SpiffIt seems inescapable now a days doesn't it? Oh well.
Now, if you want a Patriotic group (now anyway) check out Man-o-War. They dress funny, but their music is so... awesome.
"Every one of us has heaaarrd the callll"
*Dunnnn.... Dun Din Doowwww*
Heh heh
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Oh No Spiff? Who you
November 5, 2007 - 09:56 ET by LeonOh No Spiff?
Who you going to listen to now?
Sorry all good musicians are liberals. Fact.
Must suck to have to stop listening to music just because you don't agree with the political ideology of the band.
Seems nice and short sighted.
Opinion
November 5, 2007 - 10:05 ET by UnsaneSorry all good musicians are liberals. Fact. Opinion and speculation.
For one thing, "good musician" means different things to different people. Right there you shot yourself in the foot.
For your sake I hope you are not an attorney.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Name me some groups with a
November 5, 2007 - 10:10 ET by LeonName me some groups with a conservative message that are good.
Nota Bene: Kenny Chesney is not good.
Conservative Bands that are GOOD
November 5, 2007 - 10:26 ET by Six String SpiffLeon, do you actually PLAY and instrument, or are you one of those posers who ridicules everything that doesn't quite 'fit' into your i pod? What qualifications do you have to determine what is 'good' and what isn't? Get lost.
PS. I've been playing guitar for ten years. You?
Waiting for 'witty' comeback that includes some inane reference to his 'big boy' job.
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Spiff, I play guitar and
November 5, 2007 - 10:46 ET by LeonSpiff,
I play guitar and I DJ.
I've played guitar for 13 years (approx. - since I was 12) and I've dj'ed for 9 years.
I was good at guitar, but my little brother is a great. Much better than me.
I still get paid to DJ but my brother gets paid to play guitar. He's talent tested with several major labels over the past couple of months and he's gotten offers from two of them. They want him to be a studio musician.
So...yes I know a thing or two about music there tiger.
You ready to name a good conservative band?
PS love the new Dream Theater album. Sucks that you can't listen to it. You know, since they're just a bunch of America Hating terrorist supporters like the Dixie Chicks.
So, just because you play
November 5, 2007 - 10:53 ET by sunandsteelSo, just because you play guitar and dj, you are now the definitive authority on what "good" music is.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
'FACTS' and the people who use them.
November 5, 2007 - 11:07 ET by Six String SpiffWhy is it when somebody (Usually a lib) uses "FACT" at the end of a sentence, it's usually determined to be quite the opposite?
Islamic Religious Services Will Be Held at the Firing Range At 0800 Daily.
Sun, If my statement that
November 5, 2007 - 12:00 ET by LeonSun,
If my statement that there are no good conservative musicians is SO wrong, why hasn't anyone been able to provide a list of good conservative musicians?
Michael W
November 5, 2007 - 12:04 ET by vrwc13*New
Michael WNovember 5, 2007 - 12:01 ET by vrwc13
V, We saw it the first
November 5, 2007 - 12:09 ET by LeonV,
We saw it the first time.
That's all crap.
Post some real music or get out of here.
*New Mark Schultz
November 5, 2007 - 12:18 ET by vrwc13*New
Mark Schultz TwilaNovember 5, 2007 - 12:17 ET by vrwc13
Bob Dylan's no
November 5, 2007 - 15:29 ET by TruthMongerBob Dylan's no liberal:)
And he's easily worth at least a thousand liberal artists...
But most musicians do tend liberal:( - even Gospel and CCM's - Amy Grant tends left, Sixpence NTR, etc...
Of course because Jesus tends left on half of his stuff too...
Partner with Islam and the NB respect police:)
Leon...The Decider!
November 5, 2007 - 12:35 ET by vrwc13Just ask Leon, he'll tell you the best:
Disagree and you get:
"That's all crap. Post some real (fill in the blank) or get out of here." Leon
v
Leon - a real class act...
"At least I am a guy and not desperately trying to be one." Leon
That guy
November 5, 2007 - 13:41 ET by sunandsteelLeon reminds me of those kids that just argue for the sake of arguing. Probably has abandonment issues as well, as long as we keep sparring with him, he feels good about himself.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Ok Leon
November 5, 2007 - 13:44 ET by sunandsteelWhat is the real music we all should be listening to, if all of those arent real music. List some of your personal favorites, but I swear if I see Barbara Streisand on that list, I might just spontaneously combust right here.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Sun, What is the real
November 5, 2007 - 14:40 ET by LeonSun,
What is the real music?
That depends on you.
This particular sub-thread has nothing to do with my favorite bands, it's simply a request for someone to find me some good conservative music group. Just a handful.
PS I like a wide array of music. Rest assured Barabara Streisand is not on my list.
You have constantly bashed
November 5, 2007 - 14:47 ET by sunandsteelYou have constantly bashed the groups the others listed as being conservative, calling them lame and so forth. So list some of your favorite bands or shut up.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Sun, I've constantly
November 5, 2007 - 16:40 ET by LeonSun,
I've constantly bashed all the groups listed?
You mean Ted Nugent?
I don't even consider christian rock to be part of this discussion because it's all wishy washy lame garbage.
So you guys so far have said Ted Nugent. Who sucks.
Since you're dying to know who I like, I 'll share some of my favorites, but keep in mind this list is miles from comprehensive. My music collection is massive, but here it goes:
Beatles, Zeppelin, Zappa, Grateful Dead (aka greatest american band), Pink Floyd, Allman Brothers Band, Chuck Berry, Hendrix, Cream, Rory Gallagher, Coltrane, Stones, Jethro Tull, Black Crowes, Howling Wolf, Jeff Beck, The Yardbirds, Alice in Chains, Talking Heads, Tool, Steve Kimock, Old Crowe Medicine Show, David Bowie, Karl Denson, The Stooges, Germs, Dead Milkmen, Herbie Hancock, Lyrics Born, Bob Dylan, Clash, The Band, Neil Young, CSNY, Art Blakely, Bob Marley, Ray Charles, Taj Mahal, The Roots, Sonny Rollins, Del the Funkee Homosapien, Fats Domino, Sound Tribe Sector 9, Aretha Franklin, James Brown, Irving Berlin, Taj Mahal, Etta James, Lateef, Otis Redding, Doors, Biggie, Traffic, Orbital, Black Uhuru, Slayer, Cali Agents, Thelonius Monk, Medeski Martin & Wood, Mingus, Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Ramsey Lewis, Kid Koala, Rage, Peanut Butter Wolf, Tiesto, Saint Germaine, Duke Ellington, MF Doom, Maceo Parker, Bach, Mozart, Krudder & Dorffmeister, Prince, Deltron 3030, Blackalicious, Dan the Automator, Gorillaz, Simply Jeff, Radiohead, Paul Van Dyk, Sublime, DJ Babu, DJ Krush, DJ Shadow, Cut Chemist, Buddy Guy, Particle, Leadbelly, Prince Paul, Primus, Blue Notes, Velvet Underground, Funk Brothers (i.e. every single motown song), Blind Faith, Animals, Iron Maiden, Colonel Claypool's Bucket of Bernie Brains, Muddy Waters, Wayne Shorter...the list goes on and on and on and on.
I'll give any kind of music a chance. If it's good, I'll like it.
I have well over 10,000 CDs & Records. Don't have any idea how many GBs of music I have on my computer. One whole room in my newly purchased house is dedicated to playing & housing my music
Great Music List, Leon
November 6, 2007 - 17:20 ET by Doraemon_OReillyThough I was born in 1988 and I disagree with your opinion on Christian rock, I think this list you have here is a great list of many types of music I also like. I would keep most of the Rock legends on here, and delete most rap stars and add other rock legends, such as Elton John, Bo Diddley, George Thorogood and the Destroyers, Elvis Presley, and Aerosmith, blues legends like Robert Johnson (The Grandfather of Rock and Roll), Big Joe Turner, and Willie Dixon, and R&B legends like most Motown singers (Though you said it on your list), and more. I like listening to good rock music, though I am a Bill O'Reilly neocon.
P.S.: I really like Howlin' Wolf, Muddy Waters, and Chuck Berry (which are also on your list), because they helped transform blues into Rock and Roll.
"Kame-Hame-HAAAA!!!!!" - Son Goku, destroying Usama Bin Laden.
Doraemon, Thanks for the
November 6, 2007 - 17:44 ET by LeonDoraemon,
Thanks for the kind words. That was as comprehensive as I could get off the cuff. I agree with all of the bands you suggested I should add to the list.
Robert Johnson is amazing and his sordid existence was almost more intriguing than his music.
Gotta love Thorogood. He was my favorite musician to listen to when I was first starting my career and poor in NYC. Nothing like ONe Bourbon, ONe Scoth, and ONe beer to make a man with a late rent payment feel just a little bit better.
I'll have to respectively disagree with your rap assertion, however, you are not alone in not liking hip hop. Most of the hip hop artists I listed do not fall into the category of 'foul' music (except for Biggie). I read your profile and I see your West Coast. You should give Quanuum Records a try. They've got great musicians (live instruments), no songs about busting caps or degrading women, and it's very unique.
As you mentioned, Christian rock is not my favorite. I just find it to be watered down rock. Part of rock and roll is having some edge, having some balls. Christian rock just doesn't have balls IMO. Part of this stems, I think, from the fact that Christian rock is marketed to all ages, the very young and the very old.
It's great that you love listening to good music and I would hope that your love for the music would override any petty personal ideologies the musicians you listen to might have. That was my original point in this thread.
I find it funny when people love a band their whole lives and then hate them one day simply b/c they have a poltiical opinion they disagree with.
Hell, I don't think we should free Mumia, but I still love Rage.
P.S. also saw in your profile, you're an anime guy...bebop?
The most dangerous Rightist of ALL
November 7, 2007 - 00:51 ET by UnsaneThat's funny...I am a huge fan of Dream Theater, and yet, you don't see me burning my t-shirts, CDs and concert programs because of their views on the war.
In fact I am the most dangerous Rightist of all: I am a headbanging Rightist.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
I've only heard of one
November 5, 2007 - 12:10 ET by balboaI've only heard of one those, and it's touchy-feely pop.
bal try some on..
November 5, 2007 - 12:29 ET by vrwc13Thanks for the links. I'll
November 5, 2007 - 12:45 ET by balboaThanks for the links. I'll try to watch all of them when I get a chance. I was looking at this one Toby Mac video, and he seems to be in favor of diversity, which is not a real conservative position. Am I misinterpreting?
Bal, what the heck is that?!?!
November 5, 2007 - 14:48 ET by The Wicked ConservativeToby Mac video, and he seems to be in favor of diversity, which is not a real conservative position.
As if that is even close to true. Diversity is not favorable to racists. Conservatives are not necessarily racist. Sure some are, but so is every liberal who thinks the words "poor" and "disadvantaged" actually means "black" And every liberal who thinks anti-drug laws are racist and target blacks. Those laws target drug dealers and users; race holds no exclusivity.
Not cool!
You can't save the Earth unless You're willing to make other people sacrifice. Dogbert the Green Consultant summing up the elite left.
I've seen many, many people
November 5, 2007 - 15:48 ET by balboaI've seen many, many people on here complaining that they don't want diversity in America. That's all.
For the metal fans
November 5, 2007 - 12:50 ET by sunandsteelDemon Hunter
Disciple
Zao
Killswitch Engage
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
"Everyone knows all the
November 5, 2007 - 15:31 ET by TruthMonger"Everyone knows all the good bands are affiliated with Satan"
- Bart Simpson:)
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Its all a matter of taste.
November 5, 2007 - 12:44 ET by sunandsteelIts all a matter of taste. Megadeth, Sammy Hagar, and Gene Simmons are just a few who have expressed conservative thoughts. In the case of Hagar and Simmons, they dont put it in their music because they understand their job is to entertain, not preach their bs to everyone.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Who says it's their job
November 5, 2007 - 12:54 ET by JasonCWho says it's their job just to entertain? Gene Simmons has never performed a song that wasn't about debauchery and women, as far as I know. Maybe that, in addition to the droning I-IV-V bar chord progressions, is why every Kiss song sounds the same. Isn't it a little more inspiring to think of an artist's job as creating something with meaning and feeling behind it?
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Artists
November 5, 2007 - 13:33 ET by sunandsteelMaybe when I put in a CD I just want to hear some music, not some self righteous asswad telling me the country I live in is evil or how much of an idiot he thinks I am because of my beliefs. You can be meaningful and have feelings without being an asshole. Take the late Stevie Ray Vaughn for instance. His work has a lot of meaning to me, he could have been the biggest dope-smoking liberal hippie on the planet but it didnt come out in his music. I can still put on an SRV CD and feel the same way I did when I first heard it.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Well stated. It is like
November 5, 2007 - 13:38 ET by Sick-n-TiredWell stated. It is like the dentist striking up a conversation about his political beliefs while he has his hands in your mouth to where you can't respond or debate!
The Sky is STILL crying over the loss of SRV. His music will live forever.
SRV
November 5, 2007 - 13:48 ET by sunandsteelI remember when he died, terrible day.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
SRV Continued
November 5, 2007 - 14:00 ET by Six String SpiffSRV... One of my biggest influences. Passionate, truthful, and honest with HIMSELF. Unlike this gasbag on the shop radio right now... Neil Young... Gaaahh! "Hey hey.. My M.. *BLAM*" BLAM BLAM BLAM.. THUD* ahhhh better
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Neil Young
November 5, 2007 - 14:15 ET by sunandsteelNeil Young is a douche.
I love watching the old videos of SRV on Austin City Limits. Just amazing, big influence on me too, although I cant come close to his awesomeness.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
If that's your preference,
November 5, 2007 - 13:38 ET by JasonCIf that's your preference, fine, but don't act like there isn't a longstanding association between political advocacy and the arts. It's not like it was invented in the 60s.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
I never said there wasnt an
November 5, 2007 - 13:47 ET by sunandsteelI never said there wasnt an association between the two. I am saying that there doesnt always have to be. Sometimes music doesnt have to have a political message to be "good".
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Exactly. You can find
November 5, 2007 - 13:49 ET by balboaExactly. You can find artists who don't have a lot of "meaning" in their songs. It's called pop music.
Led Zeppelin
November 5, 2007 - 14:17 ET by sunandsteelHelloooo?? I dont recall hearing a whole lot of meaning in their stuff either, yet I wouldnt call them pop.
Texas has a population of nearly 21 million people, all of whom are ashamed to be from the same state as the Dixie Chicks. (IMAO.us)
Ted Nugent is
November 5, 2007 - 15:34 ET by TruthMongerTed Nugent is conservative...
Do not trespass on his heavily armed Michigan ranch...
Britney Spears loves GWB...
She totally rocks the music world for all time:) - bigger than elvis mayge
Elvis loved Nixon...
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'Sun'?
November 5, 2007 - 12:58 ET by Six String SpiffWhat the hell is wrong with you? Speak proper English... yo
All I can picture when I think of Leon/Hater is that homo main character from Malibu most wanted.
Pissing match over. I don't need to run my musical tastes by you for approval. You really need a life, pal.
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Spiff, Wow you are really
November 5, 2007 - 16:19 ET by LeonSpiff,
Wow you are really nothing more than a noise machine.
'Sun?' you ask? Then you command me to speak proper english?
Did you even read the name of the poster I was replying to?
Sun, as in sunandsteel, the poster I was replying to.
Haha. Nice try. Wow you are real trip.
Sorry all good musicians
November 5, 2007 - 10:56 ET by PeskyDaneSorry all good musicians are liberals.
Even if one were to make such a presumption, that's a pretty pathetic hook on which to hang one's hat. But then, you are a liberal, and therefore... pathetic.
Leon the narcissistic contributer of nothing. As usual.
November 5, 2007 - 11:09 ET by Six String SpiffWhere did I mention I wasn't going to buy the new DT album? Are always this daft or does it take practice? Not that I have to prove myself to yo, but some of my favorite bands are Granola bar eatin, sandal wearing, tree huggin libs. You dullards like to throw around the 'closed minded' crappola too much. I was happy talking about music, and then you showed up with absolutely NOTHING releveant to say (SURPRISE!) and piss all over everybody musical tastes. Get a life, bud.
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Are there good conservative
November 5, 2007 - 11:15 ET by balboaAre there good conservative bands? I don't know if I even know a conservative band, though I'm sure they exist.
Toby Keith?
Last I knew the Henry
November 5, 2007 - 11:26 ET by Sick-n-TiredLast I knew the Henry Rollins band fit the conservative description, but i am not sure anymore...
Henry Rollins Conservative??
November 5, 2007 - 11:59 ET by LeonHenry Rollins:
1) outspoken pro-gay rights supporter - hosted a gay marriage benefit concert called WedRock
2) Personally opposed to the Bush Administration and the Iraq War.
Yep, sounds pretty conservative to me.
What part of "I am not sure
November 5, 2007 - 12:34 ET by Sick-n-TiredWhat part of "I am not sure anymore" didn't you understand?
Here are a few "republican" artists and some who are "democrats".
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-10-30-country-campaign_N.htm?csp=34&loc=interstitialskip
Henry Rollins also did some
November 5, 2007 - 12:43 ET by JasonCHenry Rollins also did some anti-Ann Coulter thing awhile back. It's on youtube somewhere.
I'm sure one could come up with some musicians with a conservative bent, but I have to say (and I will avoid making assertions of quality here), that it seems obvious to me that music is generally the province of what we would term left-leaning segments of society; for the same reasons that literature, academia, and art tend to be. There is an unspoken imperative in all of them to undermine and disrupt the status quo. Of course there are exceptions. They tend to be fairly inconsequential though, I think.
Letterman put it best in a top ten list years ago, titled "Least Popular Rock 'n Roll Lyrics," one of which was "I'm gonna rock you for part of the night but then I gotta get my rest for that big presentation about the Higgins account."
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
You dullards like to throw
November 5, 2007 - 12:02 ET by LeonYou dullards like to throw around the 'closed minded' crappola too much.
Perhaps this is because every single time a musician comes out in oppositon to the war or the Bush Admin, the right goes bananas, calls for boycotts, and officially hates the band forever.
I.E. Dixie Chicks, Bruce Springsteen, and now...the Eagles.
"close minded" example:
November 5, 2007 - 12:30 ET by Sick-n-Tired"close minded"
example: Anthropogenic Global Warming--the ability to pursue an agenda driven psuedo-science base on politics without facts; ignoring the natural cyclicity of the arguement; scewing temperature data to fit a model as opposed to using it to build the model; claiming consensus and sensoring those that disagree with said viewpoint;
yep, sounds pretty close minded to me----genius
Sacrificed Sons
November 7, 2007 - 00:46 ET by UnsanePS love the new Dream Theater album. Sucks that you can't listen to it. You know, since they're just a bunch of America Hating terrorist supporters like the Dixie Chicks. So THAT explains "Sacrificed Sons" off of Octavarium.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Leon, there is Reba
November 5, 2007 - 13:42 ET by bassndudeLeon, there is Reba McIntire, Vince Gill and Garth Brooks. Two of which, I personaly know.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
I'm guessing it's not Reba
November 5, 2007 - 13:45 ET by JasonCI'm guessing it's not Reba McEntire whom you personally know.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
You would be wrong. Knew
November 5, 2007 - 13:53 ET by bassndudeYou would be wrong. Knew Rebas dad from my rodeo days. Dont you hate it when you stick your foot in your mouth? He was a roper, I was a bull and bare back rider. Reba wasent even singing then, except around the stock pens.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Just a guess, based on your
November 5, 2007 - 14:00 ET by JasonCJust a guess, based on your misspelling of her name.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Rode bulls, they dident
November 5, 2007 - 14:05 ET by bassndudeRode bulls, they dident care if you could spell on not. I dont think they have changed in that respect.
Save a SeAL, club a liberal!!
Haha JasonC, *sarcasm
November 5, 2007 - 16:43 ET by LeonHaha JasonC,
*sarcasm on
Nice try but I regularly can't spell the names of people I know personally.
*sarcasm off
If you're going to pretend to know somebody, at least spell their name right! haha.
So I typed an i and not an
November 5, 2007 - 16:53 ET by bassndudeSo I typed an i and not an e? Give me a break, "Ya moron!"
For a lib, Leon, your still pretty stupid.
ps no sarcasm here.
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Bass, just another "class" example of a Leon post...
November 5, 2007 - 17:07 ET by vrwc13Leon ought to become a teacher, at least then he would have some "class"! ) :
v
simple and plain - Leon
Dc talk...bwahahaha
November 5, 2007 - 17:11 ET by LeonDc talk...bwahahaha
and yet another "classy" response from Leon....
November 5, 2007 - 18:29 ET by vrwc13keep 'em coming junior...we can use the laughs...
v
"At least I am a guy and not desperately trying to be one." Leon
Bass, I'd cut you some
November 5, 2007 - 17:09 ET by LeonBass,
I'd cut you some slack except that those two buttons are on opposite sides of the keyboard.
You spelled her name wrong b/c you don't know her.
It's ok. Next time you're trying to name drop, just make sure to drop the right name. haha.
Opposite sides, but same
November 5, 2007 - 17:19 ET by bassndudeOpposite sides, but same finger of the opposite hand. You never do that? dont lie now. Doh! forgot I was talking to Leon.
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Howdy bass... Worry
November 5, 2007 - 18:39 ET by bigtimerHowdy bass...
Worry not...
Leon would be lucky if all he got wrong was just his spelling.
Hi BT.... Me worry about
November 5, 2007 - 18:42 ET by bassndudeHi BT....
Me worry about Leon? LoL.
He isint smart enough to worry us. He is good to laugh at tho.
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The paradox, of course,
November 5, 2007 - 13:50 ET by JasonCThe paradox, of course, with this whole "there are too conservative musicians out there" response, is that the only way to know that those artists are conservative would be because they are outspoken about it or because their lyrics imply it, which would then torpedo the claim that musicians ought to just "shut up and sing" or at least should compel conservatives to condemn conservative activism by singers as well as by liberals.
"He was, and is yet, most likely, the wearisomest, self-righteous
pharisee that ever ransacked a Bible to rake the promises to himself
and fling the curses on his neighbors." -Emily Bronte
Again...
November 7, 2007 - 00:44 ET by UnsaneNota Bene: Kenny Chesney is not good. Once again, you mix fact with opinion. I am no fan of his genre by any means (AND I live in TX!!!), but you will HAVE to do better than that.
Again, for your sake I hope that you are NOT an attorney. Because if you are, you are going to be a poor one, in both senses.
An artist who is very much a conservative in the world of rock is Ted Nugent. Plenty of people like him. I like a few of his songs.
Res tantum valet quantum vendi potest.
Leon the narcissistic contributer of nothing. As usual.
November 5, 2007 - 10:11 ET by Six String SpiffLeon, you don't know me. Don't pretend to know me. I like a lot of things, especially music, that don't fit with my fellow 'neocons' thank you very much. It must suck to be SUCH a tool that you have to go onto a website and bash something of which you evidently know ZERO about to make yourself feel better. I won't get in your way though. By all means, continue to hold up that giant "I am an A-HOLE" sign.
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Obviously, our "pal" Leon
November 5, 2007 - 10:16 ET by Warner Todd HustonObviously, our "pal" Leon doesn't know a thing about country music... do he!?
Warner, I love
November 5, 2007 - 10:51 ET by LeonWarner,
I love country/blues music.
But I like real country. None of this garbage contemporary, carrie underwood, faith hill crap.
Um... Faith Hill signed her
November 5, 2007 - 11:01 ET by PeskyDaneUm... Faith Hill signed her first contract 15 years ago. Hardly makes her garbage "contemporary" - whatever colloquialism you meant. Pay attention.
So Faith Hill isn't a
November 5, 2007 - 12:03 ET by LeonSo Faith Hill isn't a contemporary artist?
That's weird, didn't she lose some big award to Carrie Underwood for performer of the year just last year?
Seems pretty contemporary t