In keeping with the MSMs constant denigration of organized religion, Newseek has published a story proclaiming a female as an "approved" Catholic priest accepting the claims of rogue Catholic offshoot organizations over that of the official cannon of the real Catholic Church. Everything is relative to the MSM and their fellow nihilists, so the fact that the actual Catholic Church still doesn't allow the ordination of women as priests doesn't seem to matter a whole lot to them as they give this woman the benefit of being called a "Catholic priest." It would be as ridiculous as the MSM calling Bill Clinton a black president... oh, wait. It certainly seems as if "truth" is a meaningless concept to the MSM.
Looking like an aging cheerleader instead of a "priest," Newsweek featured the story of 25-year-old Jessica Rowley in Higher Calling, published on the 13th. In it they absurdly accept as fact her supposed ordination as a "Catholic priest."
Sept. 13, 2007 - Last week 25-year-old Jessica Rowley became one of about a dozen women nationwide to make a highly unusual career move: she was ordained a Catholic priest. Rowley’s ordination—which took place at Eden Theological Seminary, a progressive institution in Webster Groves, Mo.—is approved by the Ecumenical Catholic Communion, a group of churches that decline to recognize the authority of the pope but see themselves nevertheless as Catholic. This week Rowley—who is also married—begins working full-time as an associate pastor at Saints Clare & Francis, a breakaway parish in Webster Groves.
Certainly, these offshoot groups have every right to create their own organizations and to reject the tenets of the actual Roman Catholic Church, but they just cannot claim themselves to be Catholics. Even Martin Luther realized he had to come up with a new brand!
To push the envelope as far as possible and stick their finger in the eye of Catholicism, Newsweek focuses on Mrs. Rowley's plans to become the "first pregnant Catholic priest."
Are you going to have kids some day? We’re really looking forward to this symbol. “This is my body given for you.” To be a pregnant priest will just add a whole other dimension to those words.
So will you be the first-ever pregnant priest? Probably the first Catholic pregnant priest. I’m sure there have been Episcopal priests who’ve been pregnant.
No, sorry. She will not be the "first pregnant Catholic priest." She will be a priest in some different organization, but she will not be a Catholic.
See, unlike what Newsweek thinks, words mean things. Catholicism has certain tenets and ideas. Whether you agree with them or not, it has a specific canon that cannot be mixed and matched with just any ideas out there and still claim to be Catholic. But, this woman certainly lives up to the assumed ideal popular in the media that everything is relative. Apparently in her "religion" nothing is really wrong. Homosexuality, divorce, abortion, any number of morally abhorrent or traditionally questionable behavior is just AOK with this "Church."
As president of the Catholic League William Donohue puts it, "If - I think, therefore I am - was good enough for Descartes, Newsweek reasons, then 'I think I'm a Catholic priest, therefore I am' is good enough for Jessica. And for Newsweek as well."
Still, it is sure the only reason this story has been published is because it is itself aberrant behavior on the part of this so-called priest and because it tears at the very basis of the established Church.
In the end, I certainly wish our nice cheerleader priestess the best and hope that she leads many to salvation in Christ. She just won't be doing it as a Catholic despite Newsweek's "official" sanction.




















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Ted Kennedy's men-only Owls
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 02:03 ET by wiwfTed Kennedy's men-only Owls club would be appalled
"Congressmen who willfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are saboteurs and should be arrested,
exiled, or hanged." -Abraham Lincoln
Why don't we print a
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 02:21 ET by MidAmericaWhy don't we print a magazine and we'll call it Newsweek.
why don't we call it
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 21:24 ET by tejanodiablonewsweak
never look a gift skunk in the tail ..
I see they ratified their Constitution in 2003
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 02:32 ET by SportPoliticsI see they ratified their Constitution in 2003, so they're "babies" in miss-faith.
How about the CatMat Church(Matthew old world doctrine claimed), and they earn a letter back each time they get closer to being Catholic.
Despicable
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 02:33 ET by Daniel BakerIt is the equivalent of us calling Democrats Islamic Terrorists
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Sat, 09/15/2007 - 03:04 ET by SportPoliticsDo you mean she is just as Catholic as the Democrats are supportive of Islamic terror ?
I don't think people here would call Democrats "Islamic Terrorists" outright. The problem with that is democrats and homo-suicide bombing calls(personal domestic bedroom only exceptions), or even battlefield actions are for the most part strictly forbidden and of cross purposes, as we know with Democrats someone else must make the sacrifice.
One could also say she is as Catholic as the Democrats are Patriotic.
Abe Lincoln once famously
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 04:17 ET by motherbeltAbe Lincoln once famously asked a gentleman:
"How many legs does a dog have, if you call the tail a leg?"
The man answered "Five".
"Wrong," said Lincoln. "Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it one."
Opinion polls persistently
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 04:30 ET by Jack BauerOpinion polls persistently show that the vast majority of Americans claim to be of the Christian faith. Maybe as high as 80%
I wonder how many journalists in Newsweeks newsroom are Christians.
Judging by the media's pathological obsession with finding ways to slam Christians at almost very point, I have to guesstimate, NOT VERY MANY.
So, you have to ask the question... shouldn't newsrooms look like America? Why should they be exempt from that goal?
Are you going to have kids
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 05:00 ET by motherbeltAre you going to have kids some day? We’re really looking
forward to this symbol. “This is my body given for you.” To be a
pregnant priest will just add a whole other dimension to those words.
It is "This is my body, given UP for you." Given up, as in sacrificed, as in dying. And when used in Catholic liturgy, (the Mass) it's not a "symbol" to real Catholics; it is truly the Body of Christ (the Eucharist). It's NOT open to "a whole other dimension."
The very first statement, on this church's homepage is false:
Our Communion unites authentic Catholic faith communities that stretch across the United States. (emphasis added)
(See my post regarding Lincoln above.)
Conspicuously missing from the article are the words "claims" and "so-called." Whatever Ms. Rowley says is good enough for "Newsweek."
I find it entirely
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 05:09 ET by Warner Todd HustonI find it entirely disturbing that this kitschy, nitwit thinks of her children to be as mere "symbols," too!
You're right. I missed the
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 06:00 ET by motherbeltYou're right. I missed the fact that she called having kids a "symbol." It's early, I've only had one cup of coffee so far.
PS Edit: I really am slow this AM. I just realized that she is saying that her having a baby is symbolic of Christ's sacrifice of His body on the cross.
That is truly offensive.
She sacrificed all pretense
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 06:04 ET by Warner Todd HustonShe sacrificed all pretense toward principle a long, long time ago, so why WOULDN'T she equate herself to a Christ figure? Somehow I imagine this chick as one of those people who go around calling God a "she" all the time.
Imamas?
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 13:09 ET by acumenNot holding my breath for Newsweek to do an article lamenting the lack of female Imams. Imammas?
"She might be "called"
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 07:13 ET by Ole_SargeBut by whom??? I don't think it is from the Trinity...
"One could also say she is as Catholic as the Democrats are Patriotic."
LOL!! Good one for a Saturday morning... I'm not sure you could, or anyone could call her a Christian either.
I'm female, but I have a real hard time "accepting" women as ministers let alone accepting Christian "Priestesses" I have NO trouble with a "Deaconess" but that final barrier - no. Like "Tevye" (Fiddler on the Roof) I can only "bend" so much and to bend too far I will break.
Catholic?
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:31 ET by iveseenitallThe creeps in the MSM, because they are flaming, immature, ignorant liberals who can't accept authority of any kind, simply can't accept the Catholic Church. Ok, fine. The fact is that anyone who believes in a woman's right to "choose" abortion or become a "priest" is NOT a Catholic. That goes for pols like Kerry and Kennedy. You do have a right not to be a Catholic. Just stop claiming you are one. The "catholics" who want to "liberalize" the Catholic Church should start their own religion. Everyone will be better off.
NEVER,NEVER trust a "liberal"
But at the same time they
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:05 ET by sublight68But at the same time they condescendingly sneer that bloggers aren't true "journalists."
So anyone can declare themselves a "Catholic priest" and that's perfectly acceptable. But to be welcomed into the temple of the MsM you must be properly ordained and annointed.
Female Catholic Priest
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:06 ET by dmntd1My aunt was going through a divorce and getting counseling from her Parish Priest. Next thing you know, SHE'S a 'catholic' priest, and her Parish Priest left the Roman Catholic church to marry her! They primarily do counseling and (in Massachussets) Gay Marriages!!!!!
I really think that questioning others' masculinity is a game probably better left to people who haven't had more cock in and out of them than a Tyson Chicken regional distribution center. AceOfSpades 06162007
sure demented
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:20 ET byand i am the president of NOW (Not On my Watch)
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Its all in their mealy
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:43 ET by Conservative_in_mass.Its all in their mealy mouthed lib speak. Words like "progressive", "approved" and "breakaway" are used to imply that the Catholic faith is behind the enlightened times that Liberalism offers us.
Warner, your reference to Martin Luther was perfect for this particular story. If these media "theologians" would care to examine the motivation for the 95 Theses and its aftermath, then they might see just how silly pushing this "end around" effort to validate the ordaining of a female "Catholic" Priest is. As you said, Luther could not convince the Church to make changes he felt were necessary, so he started a new team.
I am by no means an expert here at all. There are those who post here that are far more versed on the subject.
But I think it is safe to say that if the Church wishes to ordain women, they will do so after careful examination and debate at a Vatican Council, not because some break-a-way group says it is so. Either accept the Church as it is structured or do not.
Their approach of "it should be this way, and therefore now it is" IS NOT AN OPTION PERIOD. I think it goes to the lib mindset of feeling they know better and that we can "learn" from them. Ug.
BTW the aging Cheerleader comment was priceless!
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
The aging cheerleader
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:47 ET by cleverpigThe aging cheerleader comment was mean.
Then you have no sense of
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:52 ET by Conservative_in_mass.Then you have no sense of humor.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
Kill the cheerleader, save
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:54 ET by Jack BauerKill the cheerleader, save the world!
I think the article makes
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:43 ET by cleverpigI think the article makes it pretty clear that she is "approved" by a "breakaway" church. They are reporting the facts, not holding one religion over another. You may object to her group using the label "Catholic," but if that's what they are calling themselves, then that's what the reporter reports! Unless it is an editorial piece, it is not the reporter's place to condemn the subject of an interview or her beliefs, and it's not like you guys need any help doing that anyway! The article makes it very clear that she is not approved by the traditional Catholic church.
And incidentally, I don't see how "breakaway" is in any way a value-laden word. As for "progressive," that is a word that now has a specific political meaning in addition to its common usage, as does "conservative." You may not like the fact that it makes lefties sound like they are marching forward while the right wing hangs back, but it's probably a little late to start calling ourselves something different!
"To push the envelope as
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 10:48 ET by Conservative_in_mass."To push the envelope as far as possible and stick their finger in the eye of Catholicism, Newsweek focuses on Mrs. Rowley's plans to become the 'first pregnant Catholic priest.' "
The last term in quotes cannot be used by anyone claiming to be Catholic, period. That is not up for disussion. Call it what you want, you cannot call it Catholic. Period.
Clever word games do not change church doctrine.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
cleverpig
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 11:00 ET byclaims that 3+3=78 also that Hillary is a rapist
so says i who claim to be cleverpigs "approved" spokesperson
point being cp is that claiming to be what you are not is disingenuous at best
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The context
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 11:26 ET by KC MulvilleBy the facts you might be correct, but you're obscuring the context. With all the possible things to discuss in this world, why would Newsweek choose to focus our attention on this group? Why is this self-created group of any interest whatsoever? Again, the bias of the media is more often reflected in the choice of stories, not in any biased language within the story itself. Newsweek chose this story to make a point.
Did you ever hear someone mention something embarrassing or inconvenient, and then add, "I'm just saying..." to defend themselves? You don't just happen to say things at random, unless you have a mental defect.
In this case, Newsweek chose this story to push several ideas. First, women want to be priests, and the sky won't fall if they become priests. Second, if Catholics don't like what the official hierarchy teaches, they can feel free to ignore the hierarchy and do whatever they want (which simply denies that the hierarchy has any authority). Third, if perky and fresh-faced gals want to call themselves "Catholic," despite having no connection with the Catholic church and rejecting authority, that's something we should know about - why? - because the authors want us to consider the freedom to do the same thing.
The story is about rejecting the hierarchy of the Catholic Church. Why do the editors of Newsweek believe that we all need to hear this story, in particular?
I mean, like, ya know, I'm just saying ...
KC
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 11:33 ET bythe bias is also in what they don't print.
where is the rational debunking these fakirs?
where are the stories that are pro-church?
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Agreed
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 13:17 ET by KC MulvilleAnd, bias comes in several other forms. Consider the op-ed staff of the New York Times. On the liberal side, Bob Herbert, Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich, Nicholas Kristof, Gail Collins, Paul Krugman. Thomas Friedman stays closest to the middle, but I'd still count him on the liberal side. Contrast that to the conservative side: David Brooks.
Is all the opinion (that's fit to print) really 7-to-1 liberal?
KC
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 13:25 ET bythat depends on the definition of 'fit'
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The article makes it very
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 11:40 ET by motherbeltThe article makes it very clear that she is not approved by the traditional Catholic church. -cleverpig
There is no "traditional Catholic Church" as opposed this or any other kind of unusual "Catholic Church." There is only THE Catholic Church. Any group that separates itself and makes its own rules has done just that: in spite of what it calls itself, it has broken off from the Church.
motherbelt
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 11:45 ET bythe Roman Catholic Church is not to be confused with the catholic church. There are those who would defend the proposition that the Roman Catholic Church migrated away from some points of the historic faith. Many Reformed theologians would hold that their stances are closer to Augustine than the present day Roman Church. (catholic means universal)
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You could be right; I don't
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 12:16 ET by motherbeltYou could be right; I don't claim to know everything. I do know that small c catholic means universal. But brought up Catholic, we always used the terms Roman Catholic and Catholic interchangeably. There are probably some distinctions that I'm not aware of; I led a pretty parochial Catholic existence. I guess I should specify Roman Catholic.
But when people talk about the Catholic Church and the Pope, we assume they mean the well-known (Roman) Catholic Church. That it what I meant when I said there is only the one, and one set of rules and you can't just ignore the ones you don't like and live by your own made-up rules and still call yourself a Catholic in the usual sense of the word.
I guess we could get all caught up in semantics, but I was just going with the most common usage.
motherbelt
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 12:32 ET byyou are correct the common usage Catholic Church assumes Roman and thus the group in the article should not attempt to mislead people with their title. I think i did not express my self properly. I was not intending to dispute what you said but was adding some additional thoughts. I believe that the truly saved (who only God knows) are found in the RC church and the Lutheran, and the Reformed, Baptist, etc and these comprise the holy catholic church. Also there are many who attend services in all the denomonations who are not saved. (PS if you or i find a perfect church we shouldn't join it as that would ruin its perfection)
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botg...
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 19:01 ET by motherbeltbotg...gotcha..
The universal church is the "small c" catholic. In ecumenical terms, pretty much all Christians. I won't say all, because someone may come up with an exception. But it's obvious that Rowley and her "parisioners" still want to identify with the "Capital C" Catholic Church, as in Roman.
I know a guy who eats chicken and fish, but because he doesn't eat "meat" (as in red meat) he calls himself a vegetarian. Go figure. I guess people can call themselves pretty much whatever they want.
So then I am the president
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 19:06 ET byof NOW?
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Regressives is far more
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 19:09 ET by fitzfongRegressives is far more accurate. That's what you should be calling yourselves. I know that's what I'll be calling you.
"Breakaway" indeed........
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 23:43 ET by Scout Finch...approved by the Ecumenical Catholic Communion, a group of churches that decline to recognize the authority of the pope but see themselves nevertheless as Catholic.
... and, therefore, are NOT
Sun, 09/16/2007 - 00:13 ET by Warner Todd Huston... and, therefore, are NOT Catholic.
Wouldn't it be 'priestess'?
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 11:09 ET by mattm..or is that language too old fashioned?
One question, if you disagree with the tenets of a male-only preisthood, the sin of homosexuality, the sin of abortion, or any other of the beliefs of the Catholic Church, why call yourself a Catholic? Why not just create some new "church"?
you hit the nail on the head matt
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 11:17 ET by Conservative_in_mass.that was Warner's point in mentioning Luther. He did not like the church practice of collecting Indulgences. He presented his case, was told sorry and that's the way it is (I'm being a little flip here). As a result history was changed forever.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ~ Unknown
Probably because they like
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 11:42 ET by motherbeltProbably because they like the rituals. People who reject all those teachings of the Catholic Church aren't Catholic; they just go to the Catholic Church on Sundays.
Heritage is powerful
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 13:50 ET by KC MulvilleLike being Jewish, the Catholic church is more than just agreeing with a set of beliefs. That's just the intellectual part of the church. There's a huge emotional and spiritual part that can't be ignored. It may even be more powerful than the intellectual side. In the Catholic church, once you're baptized, you become part of the family. Like any other family, we're going to hang onto you as long as we can. You may reject us, hold us up for ridicule, and throw as many temper tantrums as you want ... we still count you as part of the family. Remember the prodigal son; even if you leave, we always want to welcome you back.
The fact that this group feels it's important to identify themselves as "Catholic" means that they still cling to that Catholic heritage and identity. Remember, the opposite of love is not hate, but apathy. There are a lot of people who leave the church and never think about it again. But if you leave the church, and then feel compelled to tell everyone that you're a former-Catholic or ex-Catholic, that's very revealing. The ties are still there. I hate to say this, but Bill Maher, Joy Behar, and even the pathetic Kathy Griffin all make sure to let you know they were raised Catholic. Why is it so important to them to confront Catholicism? It's not because they have inside information; after all, everyone already knows the Catholic teachings they mock. They unintentionally cling to that Catholic identity, like prodigal children.
Of course, if you remember the story of the prodigal son, the son didn't appreciate what he once had until he found himself in the pigsty. To me, the Hollywood scene is a pigsty -- just because it has bright lights and limousines doesn't mean that the pigs don't hang out there.
I know this is OT, but your
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 18:36 ET by motherbeltI know this is OT, but your line about former Catholics got me. Phil Donahue is the most famous one that I know of. He makes a point of saying how he was raised Catholic, and then he saw the light. Since then he has done nothing but tear the Catholic Church down.
I absolutely agree with you on the "heritage" thing. Even the most die-hard skeptic is Catholic 3 times...when he's baptized, married, and buried. Then there's that old saying, the "cafeteria Catholic" who picks and chooses which teachings to obey and which to discard. "Catholics for a Free Choice" is a famous one..Catholics who are in favor of abortion.
Funny you should mention the Prodigal Son...that was today's gospel.
Synchronicity
Sun, 09/16/2007 - 00:18 ET by KC MulvilleWow - you're right, I just checked (the US bishops have a website with every day's mass readings). I must confess, it was pure coincidence. I didn't know the readings when I posted my little thing. Maybe a Jungian synchronicity thing - who knows?
Of course, you know what it means. If Bill Maher or Kathy Griffin decided to return to the Catholic church, how happy would we be, in our heart of hearts? The prodigal father was overjoyed. The brother wasn't too happy about it, but the story makes him look worst of all.
I sometimes think God does this stuff just to piss me off, you know?
This is another evil being
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 12:08 ET by rbosqueThis is another evil being pushed by the MSM.
Newsweek can meddle in Church affairs by promoting heresy, but if the Church speaks out against evil they are "shoving their religion down our throats".
Fools.
I grew up a Catholic, and
Sat, 09/15/2007 - 18:59 ET by fitzfongI grew up a Catholic, and have a Priest and a Nun in my family. This is one of those stories that should be ignored...like the Sinead O'Connor "ordination" story.
However, I believe that the Church's stubborn attachment to the vow of celibacy and the exclusion of women as priests has inadvertantly led to Priest sex scandal. Let's face it, very few young, heterosexual men are willing to commit to a life of celibacy. Add that to the fact that half of all Catholics are disqualified from the priesthood due to gender (and that the Church is constantly attempting to expand its influence throughout the world). This means that current priests are spread pretty thin...too much work for too few priests. With that in mind, the Church's screening process becomes too lax...they have to accept any old applicant because they can't afford to spread themselves any thinner. Since the screening process is so lax, any old freak gets in. Viola, pervert priests.
Oh, and William Donohue is the Al Sharpton of the Catholic Church.