Is it so hard to tell a male human being from a female one? I guess to the AP it is because in a story from the 31st, the tale they told of a male inmate castrating himself with a broken disposable razor blade became the story of a male inmate castrating "herself" with a razor blade. One wonders what the AP Stylebook says about that little gem?
BOISE, Idaho - An inmate who castrated herself with a disposable razor blade after prison officials refused to treat her for gender identity disorder should have female hormone therapy paid for by the state, a federal judge said.
Someone should inform the AP that a female cannot castrate herself. It is a physical impossibility. If'n ya gots something to castrate, you ain't no woman in the first place!
Worse than that little AP paean to political correctness by allowing the gender bending mental illness of an inmate to determine the gender used in their story is the fact that they are reporting that this inmate won from the state free hormone therapy that will help him permanently, if artificially, transform into a female.
Jenniffer Spencer, who was born biologically male, sued the Idaho Department of Correction and its physicians, claiming that her constitutional rights were violated and that she was subjected to cruel and unusual punishment when the doctors failed to diagnose gender identity disorder and treat her with female hormones. Instead, the department and its doctors repeatedly offered Spencer the male hormone testosterone.
The ridiculousness of the state paying for criminals to get sex changing therapies, treatments and operations aside, the AP calls Randall Gammett a "she" throughout the story. He is certainly a confused fella, but a "she" he isn't.
What happened to just reporting the "facts"?
But, this isn't so far off the mark as a practice for the AP, is it? After all, as they have allowed this whacked out, criminal to call himself a "she" with their blessing and participation, they similarly allow any number of far left Democrats to identify themselves with a less descriptive and more centrist sounding "moderate" Democrat label all the time. It never seems possible for the AP to call any Democrat a "liberal" or a "left wing" one, does it?
So, we can safely say that the AP goes out of its way to coddle mental patients all the time, I guess.
Yet the AP seems to take the opposite track with their reports on Republicans, those who truly are centrist or even left leaning Republicans, who suddenly become "extreme," "far right," or "right wing" in the AP's reporting.
I think they need to revisit their "labels" page in that much abused stylebook.



















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"Itself," while clearly
August 4, 2007 - 06:21 ET by sarcasmo"Itself," while clearly politically-incorrect, seems to apply. Also, I'd note, before the legal controversy in question, the inmate was offered a male hormone which is -- like it or not -- linked with violence. Apparently, this was noncontroversial and is an accepted part of the system. And the news media talking heads wonder why there are problems...
The inmate may be crazy, but so's the system incarcerating, um, it. (And for the sexually-PC, I use the term "it" with all due respect!)
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Testosterone linked to violence....
August 4, 2007 - 06:51 ET by Army BratAnd lack of testosterone is linked to being a wimp. All males what are males are polluted with that violence inducing stuff. It's what makes us males compete and work hard to support our families and protect those we love. Without it we'd be far less motivated... and alot more like that inmate.
Some of the symptoms of androgen deficiency include:
and associated drop in ‘good’ blood cholesterol (high density
lipoproteins)
Although it may induce violence, it was probably the best line of treatment under the circumstances I don't see where the state is responsible for correcting this inmates gender...even if the work necessary has been reduced substantially.
It's our intellect that intervenes and let's us know when violence is called for and when it is not appropriate. A Eunuch is not a female. Happy Trails...
Agreed, mostly. And
August 4, 2007 - 07:23 ET by sarcasmoAgreed, mostly. And "eunuch" is probably a nicer and more accurate way to describe the inmate than "it"! But if he wanted to cut them off, I don't see why taxpayers would have to pay for injections of what his nuts would/should have otherwise provided. Reading the article, it sounds like the eunuch found an expensive spending program a eunuch could take advantage of and/or turn into an expensive lawsuit, and by some miracle he managed to do both.
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yep... and part of the
August 4, 2007 - 07:56 ET by mbuelyep... and part of the reason we have more "androgenized" men and even to a lesser degree, soft-hearted liberal men, is related to diet.
Liberal mothers, feed their male baby soy milk, creating a less male man.
Army Brat
August 4, 2007 - 08:13 ET by drillanwrSounds as if you are describing Teddy Kennedy!
Ok I need to set things
August 7, 2007 - 09:41 ET by BinxlyOk I need to set things straight here for those either just unknowingly ignorant (not meant in a rude way) to such situations as this particular person and for those who perhaps just don't care at all and think since *they* don't have such issues, that it must be just craziness that leads to people like this one.
First and foremost, NO ONE owes transexuals the money to fund their transition, that'd be rediculous. You cannot legislate how people view you and you certainly can't make laws that say the people must fund your solution to the problem. I can see how some would think they *should* (in the argument that its a disorder and some get state funded care for such) but again its in my opinion that funding of ANY hormone therapy is rediculous.
HERE is my main issue. I agree with Sarc, why complain about funding female hormones when they were already blissfully wasting away taxpayers dollars on testosterone for this inmate? I know many will deny it, but this is not only glaring evidence of a person who will play the system and the system caving right in instead of standing up for ethics. (afterall, a non-criminal transexual doesn't get tax money for HRT, why should a *criminal* transexual get it?!) It is also an example of how people *STILL* are blatantly pushing the idea that it is 100% impossible that a genetic deficiency could ever occur in which a male's brain could be much closer to a female's brain or vice versa. The brain *does* have pre-determined 'gender characteristics and dispositions' and this growth occurs (not always) but in the early stages, autonomously of the physical. There are studies out there now that mention that, while not always, in many cases transexuals exhibit characteristics of female brain patterns in their own brain patterns. I just don't see why they gave him testosterone without even having a formal diagnosis. In my opinion, that is poor choice in medical decision making and again, it seems like rather than address the issue, or just dropping it as a non-issue (which is what they should do with criminals) they instead plugged him with tax funded testosterone because, and this may seem conspiracy theory of me to think so, but they did this in my opinion because people are afraid this case actually exists and figured (wrongly) that these 'feelings' were due to some testosterone deficiency.
Again, I'm not saying everyone needs to accept this, but by not, its sort of like saying AIDS didn't exist when it was first discovered. I know transexuality totally throws off people from religious and scientific standpoints but the science is there and becomes more and more as time goes on. I mean look at people with Klienfetter Syndrome (not sure if that's the right spelling.) These are people born sort of 'on the fence' of gender. If it can happen physically, why is it so terribly hard to think it could happen mentally?
Klienfetter Syndrome
August 7, 2007 - 09:51 ET by Cool ArrowSounds like a bisexual built for two to me.
So, you are claiming those who "wish" to transgender are misformed?
I "wish" the government would transform me into a multimillionnaire. Think your tax dollars should relieve me of my inner turmoil?
Again, you miss my point.
August 7, 2007 - 10:28 ET by BinxlyAgain, you miss my point. I DONT think ANY transexual should be funded for their 'transition.' My point is, why did they give him testosterone on tax payer money to begin with?!
The reason for the rant at the end is because people REFUSE to ever accept its possible someone could be a transexual. I happen to know one quite well and she, yes *she,* is the sweetest, kindest, actually extremely normal person aside from her 'issue.' It just breaks my heart because I know why people deny it. It's odd, it is seen as 'going against God' and plus, people think if we admit this is possible then people will want to live all over the gender spectrum. As a person who believes in social freedoms I could care less if we had men who wore dresses, but that isn't the case with these people. Those like in my friend's case don't get some sexual kick of of presenting as a woman. They *definately* don't fit into a 'male mold' and most certainly, even in my stern opinion, would function better (and itd make more sense) had they been female. I just don't understand why people can't just confront their aversion to this aspect of humanity by sticking to stories like this in hopes that it will 'win people over' in the belief that *ALL* transexuals are mentally disturbed sociopaths. I know of at least one person who is proof to quite the contrary.
So I ask for those brave enough to answer, what is the beef with transgendered/transexual people? And I don't mean the characters like alexis arquette or Amanda Lepore, I'm refering to otherwise normal people who only wish to live a normal life as their identified gender. What's so wrong with that?
Where's the beef binxly?
August 7, 2007 - 10:53 ET by TruthMongerMy "beef" comes from the Bible - God makes you a certain way for a reason...
Why did God then make
August 7, 2007 - 11:03 ET by BinxlyWhy did God then make intersexed people? Hermaphrodites? People with Klienfetters syndrome? I'm not saying God isn't infallible but these cases of *physical* sexual ambiguity still exist. I *do* believe in God, but I do also believe its possible, with the science involved of a growing fetus and developing nervous system, that at one point the brain may mature into one gender while the physical sex obviously is not 'in tune' with it. God is a great motivator for me and a good moral compass but in the sense of transexuals, I think it *is* a gray area and I worry, perhaps, that many people hide behind the God excuse when really, even if God was put aside, the heart of the issue is people resent and fear transexuals cause of their differences and almost always wrongfully equate it as some sexually driven thing. For some, sure, maybe it is, but again, my friend is a virgin to men, and only not one to women because the earlier parts of her life she DID try her best to 'just be a man.' I hate to say it, but it was a poor excuse even at her best efforts. It wasn't until the past 2-3 years she was able to accept who she is and take necessary, and *self-funded* steps to remedy the issue.
Also, there were other comments on 'wussy males' and I sort of resent that. I'm considered by many as a 'girly guy' due to my style, pention for tighter clothing, and at one point my longer, styled hair. Again, I really fail to see why if someone isn't lock-step in tune with the male stereotype be it personality or physical appearance is such a big deal. Is difference THAT scary to people?!
God made the world perfect
August 7, 2007 - 11:27 ET by TruthMongerGod made the world perfect - but Adam and Eve chose to disobey God, become imperfect, and bring sin and disease into the world...
It is true that misplaced fear is perhaps humankind's biggest problem. I fear the Lord...
It is not Christian to fear anyone nor mistreat anyone the way you describe...
If only we were all true Christians:(...
So, by your account, people
August 7, 2007 - 12:27 ET by BinxlySo, by your account, people born as hermaphrodites and intersexed are a product of Adam and Eve's sin? I'm not discounting it, just asking. If that *is* the case, then why is it a transexual person's cross to bear? Where's the sense of balance in that? Now again, Im not saying you or any other people here who are not buying into transexuality and its existance have never had issues you've had to just 'suck up and deal with' but I ask you, have you had anything as crippling as finding no peace in yourself because you know you are different than how you are percieved?
Im guessing not. Not that its a slam on anyone, most people haven't had such an issue. My second question then is how can you pass judgement on someone or make unfounded assumptions based only on the idea that God hates homosexuals so he MUST hate transexuals?
Again, this case is just like the abortion debate. The child doesn't get a choice in an abortion. What makes you think the child got to choose this? The person I know has known of their gender dysphoria since age 5 she claims. She has many good arguments to back that including many photos as a child where she was a 'he' obviously, and even then its hard to tell since she had always been quite effeminate. So how is it evil for her to want to live her life in the gender she should've been born? How is it fair for you to dismiss her dysphoria and entire personality when you yourself have never had to overcome such an obstacle? How is it justified that *she* pay for the sins of Adam and Eve in a way that most don't have to?
I'd like to hear your answers.
Thanks binxly - i'll
August 7, 2007 - 12:53 ET by TruthMongerThanks binxly - i'll happily give you my meager understandings of these things:
We all suffer defects as a result of Adam and Eve's sin. Some suffer much worse than others - there is no ryhme or reason to it - it's random like a sniper shooting at a crowd of people. We all have to suck up something and deal with it...many things actually...and again some more than others for no tangible reason...
I suffer from many crippling differences yes - doesn't make my opinions here any more or less valid on this...
God does not hate anyone - He loves everyone - He lovingly and painstakingly crafted everyone the way they are even before He created the world. And He follows all of us around everyday yearning for our success and fulfillment.
Being that He is my lord I am also called by Him to love and help everyone the same way so that is what I try to do...I usually fail miserably...
We do not get to choose our afflictions but we do get to choose how we deal with them - either positively or negatively - God gave us the free will to do so...
And finally a helpful analogy quite often is child porn. Many people have a strong desire to have sex with children. They are born this way. Would you allow that? Why or why not?
The child porn example I
August 7, 2007 - 13:06 ET by BinxlyThe child porn example I think, although I can understand why you chose it as it does touch on the 'where to draw the line' thing, is still a flawed comparison. Child pornography exploits the innocence of the child, and again, the people affected by such are not only harming or affecting themselves. The child involved is an innocent casualty of perversion. Transexuality is not (in most cases, in all legitimate cases) about perversion. It's about identity. Most transexuals actually are very unnoticeable in most public situations and therefore aren't much of a bother. However, even for those who are obviously not genetically born women or genetically born men, WHO is being harmed by them transitioning?
That is the only question needed to sink the comparison. One asks if people who wish to harm a child for sexual gain, is it wrong? The answer, of course, is yes. Its abhorrently wrong. It's atrocious. the thought itself makes me angry and wanting to enact the highest punishment unto these people. They gain sexual pleasure from perverting and forever scaring innocent children. THEN you ask, if someone feels they are the opposite gender, have shown many many personality traits and characteristics of the opposite gender from a young age through adulthood and wishes to live as the gender they identify with, is it wrong?
So basically, you are equating an act where the main drive is sexual release, (the sacrafice, a child's innocence, health, and possibly life) to an act where the main drive is the ability to feel comfortable in one's own skin, something we all take for granted, (the sacrafice being all within the person enacting transition and having no negative effect on others.)
Again, I understand it seems 'gross' to many people, that its just 'some gay guy wanting to dress like a girl.' but that is absolutely the most offensive and wrong way to view it. I'm just trying to make people realize if you dislike it, fine, but it's *you* who dislikes it, its not a problem with them, its a problem with people only being able to accept others if they are exactly the same, fitting a specific mold.
"For there are some
August 7, 2007 - 13:10 ET by MightyMouth"For there are some eunichs, which were so born from their mother's womb;
and there are some eunichs, which were made eunichs of men; and there be
eunichs, which have made themselves eunichs for the kingdom of heaven's
sake. He that is able to recieve it, let him
recieve it." --- Matthew 19:12
TruthMonger, could some "transgenders" be the "eunichs" of the book of Matthew? If so, societal pressure to "choose" a gender would seem counter productive to God's will for them. Yes?
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Again, for most it isn't an
August 7, 2007 - 13:31 ET by BinxlyAgain, for most it isn't an issue of sex, its an issue of identity and the sexual identity. Look, Im aware I'll never get through to those on NB who have the bible permanently affixed to their hands but Im growing annoyed and I will say I believe the majority of you only so adamantly quote the bible because the *book* agrees with *you*, not so much that you learned to agree with the book.
As I've said before, you don't have to like Trans people, you dont have to like gay people, but this whole using God as an ally is getting old. I cant imagine the scene in heaven if we came to find homosexuality *wasn't* as big a deal as we made it out to be down here, yet the one thing that did peeve God off was his children preaching the word incorrectly and with judgement.
You missed my point. It's
August 7, 2007 - 13:53 ET by MightyMouthYou missed my point. It's possible that some are born with the "cross" to bear of gender neutrality. If you can't accept that fact, then your insistance they "choose" is more damaging then the biblical suggestion that they "receive" it, if able.
"There are two types of people in this country; those who provide freedom and those who enjoy it." MM says...
Binx... You forget that
August 7, 2007 - 13:48 ET by Clear thinkerBinx...
You forget that God put woman with man for a reason... to procreate. Gay sex has zero to do with procreation, it's only purpose is to satisfy a sexual urge.
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So an infertal woman is not
August 7, 2007 - 13:58 ET by BinxlySo an infertal woman is not allowed to ever have sex because her purpose is useless? I just think its awfully easy to pontificate like you do merely because YOUR lifestyle doesn't have to suffer. Its much like the rich man who will mock his gardener for 'not trying hard enough' to make it in life when the rich man is a product of wealth created long before his father was ever born and in turn, earned NOTHING of what he had.
Transexuality, I will say, AGAIN, and keep saying, is NOT about sex. It may involve sex at one point but that is hardly gay sex. People ARE born with mental incongruities and have *every right* to live their lives as normally as you or I. This for some means transitioning into their correct gender. yes, their *correct* gender.
As for the previous post about gender ambiguity, I agree, for many they DO choose to bear the cross and wait for God's intervention, and that is fine, Im not saying ALL transexuals should transition, in fact *personally* I think many shouldn't but they also shouldn't have to worry about overzealous armchair bible scholars cut them down and damn them through 'God's word' because they are different. I'm pretty sure if God hates transexuals who dont hurt anyone and mind their own business, that he hates those who go out of their way to persecute those who are different.
An infertile woman can
August 7, 2007 - 14:02 ET by Clear thinkerAn infertile woman can still have sex with her husband.
Doh!
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But the argument was that
August 7, 2007 - 14:09 ET by BinxlyBut the argument was that somehow even a transitioned woman having sex with a man is still 'gay sex.' I could see if it was a man mentally and woman physically, or a transexual woman who was still, down there, a man, but if the person is mentally female and now physically female, how is that wrong? How is the sex 'gay sex?' Plus, the comment was geared toward the comment that sex is purely for procreation. I hate to say it, but the bible scholars here often trip up on that loop argument that 'sex is for procreation...' then someone brings up infertile women and they say 'well she can still have sex with her husband.' However, by your account, sex is purely for procreation and sex for the sex of pleasure is 'wrong.' So, in turn, what other reason than pleasure would an infertle couple have sex?
Okay
August 4, 2007 - 08:21 ET by drillanwrUpon first glance at this story I wasn't sure who "it" started out to begin with ... Until I read the whole page. It was self-inflicted, so let he/she/it live with it as is.
And there is a form of female castration the Muslim world seems to be so fond of, and our Western women's rights groups seem to turn a blind eye to and have NO opinion of ... Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) :
http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm
http://www.nocirc.org/symposia/first/badawi.html
Granted, female castration has a bit different results ...
Breaking ...
August 4, 2007 - 11:29 ET by drillanwrNot finding it yet online, but apparently FGM might be behind a family murder of a African immigrant mother and her two daughters found dead in their Atlanta, Ga. home ...
FNC just covering it.
drillanwr
August 4, 2007 - 15:15 ET by shannon20You know I thought there was something fishy about that story. When they interviewed the mothers family and church, they were like we not asking why or how. We will just remember how great they were. I thought at the time WTF! I figured the church knew the person who had killed them! It was also strange how 3 females killed 2 male children beaten. That was another fact that made me think it had something to do with their culture.
When you find something about it online, let me know where! Thanks!
shannon20 -
August 5, 2007 - 15:45 ET by drillanwrhttp://www.foxnews.com/wires/2007Aug02/0,4670,TripleHomicide,00.html
shannon
August 5, 2007 - 15:58 ET by Dave RThis crime happened not very far from where I live (same county).
The AJC has a couple of stories on it, too.
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Not mentally fit to choose sex reassignment
August 4, 2007 - 10:00 ET by nkviking75A guy who would go to the extreme length of castrating himself is not mentally fit to make decisions about such a radical medical procedure. Even if he could pay for it himself, it would be unethical to allow him to make such a life altering choice in his mental condition. Personally, I think sex-altering surgery is unethical anyway. I don't think we have the psychological and medical proof that people who think they were born the wrong sex are anything more than disturbed. I can imagine those feelings are difficult, but radical surgery is not the answer, IMHO.
When you put the clowns in charge, don't be surprised when a circus breaks out.
Wait
August 4, 2007 - 11:32 ET by drillanwrIs this supposed to be an actual picture of the guy? `cause if it is:
1) nice prison garb
2) he/she is pretty hot and must have lots of dates on the inside
3) but sort of looks like Jeff Foxworthy's sister
drill, You're killing me
August 4, 2007 - 14:58 ET by Blondedrill,
You're killing me today....Jeff Foxworthy's sister!!!!
I was really trying to refrain from posting on this topic, inasmuch as the entire thing is idiotic (and going of on a sarc rant...using our tax dollars!).
But you made me do it...it's all your fault (I'm practicing my lib arguments...going to try to turn the tables on Leon later).
I disagree. It looks more
August 5, 2007 - 01:23 ET by fitzfongI disagree. It looks more like David Crosby.
A Solution!!
August 5, 2007 - 18:00 ET by drillanwrI just got an idea ... If Randall Gammett wants this so bad let him go on "Are You Smarter Than A Fifth Grader?"
Whatever money he wins he can use for what he wants/needs to solve his problem ... Save the taxpayers money and just have a live feed from the prison so he doen't need a hotel room or spending money.
can we castrate the judge
August 4, 2007 - 14:54 ET by Conservative Voicecan we castrate the judge on this one? Since when is not performing an act considered cruel and unusual punishment? Punishment requires action, negligence requires lack of action. Negligence is not punishment. You could argue that the state was negligent...though I would argue since when do we make it the state's responsibility to determine one's gender?
The judge should be thrown off the bench