What is it about the New York Times where they can't stay above their talking points even when trying to interest the people in a higher level of political discussion and debate?
The Times was bemoaning the current sad state of political discourse amongst political candidates today (and rightfully so, I might add) in a story reporting the interesting extended debate between Newt Gingrich and ex-Senator Mario Cuomo sponsored by New York's Cooper Union Hall, the great room in which Abraham Lincoln first came to national prominence prior to his running for president of the United States.
The two "will appear together on the stage of Cooper Union’s Great Hall tonight for a discussion, to encourage today’s presidential candidates to spurn sound bites for serious discussion and debate" the paper informs us.
The Times has a solid point on the downward spiral of the discourse and oratory from today's pols, but politicians are hardly alone to blame. Even in a story that is supposed to be urging us all to gain an interest in a higher level of debate, the Times cannot resist injecting at least one of their boogymen items, campaign cash.
Of course, If one were to read the debates from our forefathers it would seem to be nearly Shakespearian compared to the dumbed down rhetoric that we now get. However, as Lincoln scholar Harold Holzer pointed out to the Times' reporter, “Maybe we shouldn’t blame politicians for dumbing down the dialog if we don’t demand more.” And he couldn't be more right.
We do not demand better and our news media facilitates the worst of them.
All that is well and good, but the Times just couldn't resist interjecting their agenda into the discussion and it was an interjection that not only is unwelcome in this particular discussion, but one that in no way, shape, matter, or form FITS the subject.
Here was their first interjection of their tiresome talking points:
In recognition, however, that the language of this era is less often illuminating — expletives being more common than explication — the Cuomo-Gingrich dialogue, unlike Lincoln’s speech, will be free.
(Emphasis mine)
"Free"? What does money have to do with this subject?
Then at the end of the piece they return to their well-worn theme of money in politics. Tarnishing this discussion with their tired campaign finance reform issue, the Times unseemly shoehorning of this ill-fitting subject into the story is jarring.
Even then, though, money was a campaign issue. Lincoln received $200 and the fact that tickets cost 25 cents opened him to contumely as a “two-bit candidate.”
Again, why raise this issue of money? The Times' "Even then, though, money was a campaign issue" subject did not belong in this story at all. Obviously, though, the Times needed to keep their agenda in play even in a story in which it has no business being.
An otherwise useful and interesting story is brought down by the Times' constant need to push their nonsense on the reading public.
And they moan about a loss of higher discourse!?



















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March 1, 2007 - 11:23 ET by iveseenitallThe NYT is calling for "elevated discourse" while Hillary and Kerry are bemoaning "the politics of personal distruction." The very definition of hypocrisy -- acting and speaking in the same manner as that which you condemn in others. Whew-- the stench of liberalism!
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Ive, I was going to say that
March 1, 2007 - 12:31 ET by MikeBIve, I was going to say that Bill and Hillary invented the politics of personal destruction, but that would not be entirely accurate. The first presidential campaign that I can remember was the Kennedy campaign, and lots of folks, Republican and Democrat, bemoaned the fact that Kennedy was a Catholic. They stated that if Kennedy were elected, the "real ruler" of the United States would be the Pope (similar to the position on of our posters took on Mitt Romney - if Romney is elected, will Romney or the president of the Mormon Church really be in charge).
So, Bill and Hillary did not invent the "politics of personal destruction", but they certainly elevated it to an art form. And, Hillary certainly continues to develop her artistic tendencies in this matter.
"A communist is someone who reads Marx. An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx." Ronald Reagan
Right
March 1, 2007 - 12:54 ET by iveseenitallNEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Right
March 1, 2007 - 12:55 ET by iveseenitallRight on, Mike. Hillary and Bill are the most divisive people in politics. Since Bill's election their "art form" has been practiced by the MSM and others on a grand scale. When she gets nominated, it's just going to get worse. Buckle up!
NEVER,NEVER trust a liberal
Actually, it goes back to Al
March 1, 2007 - 16:24 ET by j. frank wilsonActually, it goes back to Al Smith (a Catholic). After he lost the presidential election Will Rogers said Al just sent a telegram to the Pope: "Unpack."
Of course, it goes back much farther than that. Have you read what was written about Abe Lincoln - calling him an ape and a gorilla and all that?
Abe the Ape
March 1, 2007 - 16:39 ET by mastersofdeceitAnd that would be who? The Democrat Copperheads.
Actually it goes back to Geor
March 1, 2007 - 20:50 ET by Warner Todd HustonActually it goes back to George Washington! The press in America has been LOWER than high discourse since day one!! The fight for the 1800 election (Adams vs Jefferson) was particularly vicious!
For the NYT and the Democrats
March 1, 2007 - 14:48 ET by Chris NormanFor the NYT and the Democrats, "elevated discourse" means that Conservatives and Republicans should just sit quietly and accept any and all vicious attacks against them, without any response - however mild. In fact, they would like the Repubicans to return to the pre-Reagan years, when they were a permanent minority party, who offered only faint protests to Democrat proposals and watered down liberal proposals of their own. For the life of me, I don't see all that much "attacking" done by elected Republicans - unless, of course, it goes unreported...
The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on.
- Arabian Proverb
unlike Lincoln’s speech, wi
March 1, 2007 - 14:56 ET by Darth Dutchunlike Lincoln’s speech, will be free
This is also ironic considering the report that Bill Clinton made $40 million in speeches last year. You'd think if there was anyone who would be able to afford giving free speeches, it's Bill.
Darth Dutch
I like Newt and I've actually
March 1, 2007 - 15:19 ET by radiofitz34I like Newt and I've actually met Mario. Still I think I'd rather go to a wake. At least it's predictable.