Hysterical CNN, AP Headlines: 'Walker Survives'
As of 11:15 p.m., with about 74% of the votes counted, Wisconsin Governor Scott was ahead of Scott Barrett by roughly a 56-44 margin. Late-arriving votes from Democrat-heavy areas of Milwaukee and Dane Counties seemed likely to narrow the margin to perhaps 10 points. (UPDATE: Because heavier margins of support for Barrett in those two counties, the final margin was 6.9%, roughly the same as Barack Obama's 7.4% margin in 2008, which was never labeled a "survival" or "narrow" or anything similar.)
The headlines currently at CNN (HT to a NewsBusters tipster) and the Associated Press both act as if Walker squeaked by. Pics follow the jump.
First, CNN:
Now, AP, featuring sore loser Scott Bauer:
As usual, and as noted earlier today, Bauer persists with the "eliminated union rights for most public workers" falsehood.
Readers can rest assured that had Barrett won by even a single vote, the press would have considered it something like a "crushing mandate."
In another example of media accuracy, CNN's home-page headline for tonight's NBA playoff game reads: "Live: Pivotal Game 3 for Celtics, Heat." For those who don't follow sports much, it's really Game 5.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
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OH NOES! Walker survives!
Submitted by ex buff e-dub on Tue, 06/05/2012 - 11:54pm.
OH NOES!
Walker survives! Zombie apocalypse! Coincidence? I think not!
ha ha ha
Submitted by amyshulk on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:17am.
This is just the tip - when more libs see the C's aren't going to just roll over and accept their premise of a fix, by attempting to lessen it's damage, and instead say NO! It's time for ADULT solutions, and your slow motion damage is NOT OK!!!
Well, grab the popcorn folks, this is gonna be one HELL of a bumpy ride {I know it's "Fasten your seat belts. It's going to be a bumpy night." } but it's not going to be JUST tonight!!!
Ronald Reagan
The CNN alert I received on
Submitted by Captain Repus on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:26am.
The CNN alert I received on my iPhone speaks volumes - Walker will 'narrowly' retain his seat...
I think the keyword 'narrowly' more appropriately defines the minds of those morons at CNN (and MSNBHate)
You think they're going to
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:30am.
You think they're going to write 'Barrett gets obliterated'????
It's like the MMA fighter - laying on the cavas, bleeding, teeth knocked out, dazed, confused, totally beaten up............looking up at his opponent and saying 'I'm gonna kick your a@@!!!!'
Hey Killa....
Submitted by dyardley on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 1:39am.
I'm so happy I think I could drink one of your drinks, and I don't drink. Christmas has come early. Can't wait for November!!!!!!
Ahhhhhhhh, Ms. Yardley - you
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 2:31am.
Ahhhhhhhh, Ms. Yardley - you little whippersnapper!!! You can indulge in one black cherry/vodka - it's OK!! I even got my own Mom to drink one, and she was happy!!!
But let's not start celebratin' too soon, or spikin' the football (Obamaspeak), OK?? We ARE dealing with vermin, cockroaches, termites, centipedes, leeches, bottom-feeders, and snakes.................so you KNOW that they will be doing ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that they can to keep from being eliminated!!! Boy Baraka and the Democrat party are the American version of a combination of insidious Communism and a 'gentler, kinder' Al Queda.
Yeah Killa, I'm a real firecracker.....
Submitted by dyardley on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:49pm.
If a black cherry/vodka was around.....I would definitely try it. If its good enough for Mom its good enough for me.
I'm a firm believer of celebrating the good when it comes because who knows what tomorrow brings. But, I'm also a positive thinker. The pendulum has swung so far to the left its eventually got to come back to the right. May not be in my lifetime but hopefully for the grandkids.
Tip one of your drinks for me and lets get working to make November even better!!! ;~)
Oh crap
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 3:04am.
Your some kinda weirdo ant ya?
Boudin ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 3:23am.
I like cherries, and I like vodka, but I ain't sure if I'd like cherry-flavored vodka.
However, I like killa, and I trust him; and I like dyardley, who seems willing to try the mixture.
I may just try it myself.
If I do, and I don't post for a few days, maybe you are right about it being a bit weird. :o)
MD
Cherry
Submitted by rhondacoleridge on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 8:24am.
Three Olives Cherry and diet Coke....YUM!
Ok, rhonda, that one goes on my ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 9:33pm.
"to try" list. :o)
MD
MD
Submitted by stratman on Sat, 06/09/2012 - 12:18am.
Just looked at the Three Olives Cherry website. Nice recipes to try. Also, there are a couple dozen flavored vodkas. There's a Supercola flavor so you can dispense with the cola and just use their booze for cola flavor. Add the Three Olives Cherry vodka and you have a cherry cola made entirely with their vodkas. Killa would go ballistic. ;-)
Sounds great, strat; I will be ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 06/09/2012 - 12:35am.
checking that out.
Thanks again, rhonda.
Good luck, killa; many happy hangovers. :o)
MD
Wow, I missed all this action
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 2:46am.
Wow, I missed all this action somehow!! I've tried Cherry Three Olives - it's pretty good, actually, and not overpriced. What I do is mix some designer black cherry 'new-age' drink with my vodka - I can get Kettle One at Costco for a good price, and some NB gal (maybe Ms. Rad or Blonde) told me about the Costco brand of vodka. Otherwise, I try and buy some upper-shelf brand that isn't too hoity-toity or overpriced, like Gray Goose is.
As I have admitted to before - my preference is considered to be a 'chick drink' by the REAL drinkers - but I'm not much of a hard-liquor or beer or wine kind of guy, so I have to find something that goes down easy and makes me mellow without wrecking my next day!!!
I'd like to mix one up for MsYardley - she might get a little looped!!! I got my Mom a little bit animated one night, and that was fun.
killa, I can't believe I left out the ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 3:27am.
"black" cherry part.
Damn that Obama.
:o)
MD
TROOF, MD!!! I guess we ARE
Submitted by killa37 on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 3:47am.
TROOF, MD!!! I guess we ARE 'racist' for indulging in 'black' cherries!!! But weren't those 'black' cherries around a LONG time before Boy Baraka showed up??? Hell, I was around before this little punk showed up too............and if he lived in my neck of the woods, he'd KNOW IT!!! What a worthless piece of useless Kenyan Kow Krap!!! How did we get to this??? Are there THAT many stooooooooooooopid people???
I surfed until dark - we actually have some waves out here, which is unusual for this time of year. I didn't even get back to the beach until 8 PM!!! Of course, being that late sort of cuts into my 'black' cherry/vodka time - so I'm trying to catch up now!!!
Yeah, I'm seeing these
Submitted by killa37 on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:27am.
Yeah, I'm seeing these 'survives' headlines over here in Asia/Hawaii. I was really busy at work today, and didn't get home until late in the afternoon/evening - and there wasn't any radio going on at the jobsite, so I basically didn't think too much about this until I came home. But I'm really glad that it turned out this way, and I'd have to say that not only did Walker 'survive' this manufactured BS, but he WHOMPED the whole pile of crap!!! And apparantly he's got some success along the way, as far as proving that he can do what he did. Of course, the libs, the unions, and the StateRun Media are apoplectic - but............it couldn't happen to a 'nicer' bunch of idiots!!!!
Victory for the ADULTS!!
Submitted by minky on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 1:14am.
Not only did Mr. Bauer use the "eliminated union rights" lie, he also dropped this bomb in his AP story:
"Democrats and organized labor spent millions to oust Walker, but found themselves hopelessly outspent by Republicans from across the country who donated record-setting sums to Walker."
So, you see, it wasn't the legitimate will of the voters; the Democrats were "outspent". There is no mention, of course, that the "Democrats and organized labor" also received money from "across the country".
Oh yeah, in what part of the Bill of Rights does one find "union rights"?
Obama "THUMPS" McCain by a less margin!
Submitted by gopcongress on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 1:02am.
Let's see...
Obama THUMPED McCain 52% to 47%, but Walker only SURVIVES by 54% to 45%?? Walker gets a 50% bigger margin of victory and is still trivialized? Sheesh.
"The news and truth are not the same thing." -Walter Lippmann (1889-1974) FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER
It's still sobering
Submitted by lgeubank on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:56am.
On the other hand, the country (or at least Wisconsin) is still sane and adult by a margin of 54% to 45% .
The country rejects allowing a new class of thug BrownShirts to have infinite call on the treasury, by 54%-45%.
It's kind of alarming.
According to Rachel Maddow,
Submitted by mnfe on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 1:09am.
According to Rachel Maddow, he "squeaked by". And that anyone can take even the smallest of victories and say they have a mandate.
I sat there wondering what exit polls she was looking at, since at that point Walker had a larger margin of victory than Obama did and yet he supposedly had a "clear" mandate.
Fun watching the morons at
Submitted by Captain Repus on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 1:18am.
Fun watching the morons at MSNBHate turn facts upside-down..
They are confused about how the 'exit polls' were so far off in showing a near tie in the recall vote, then turn around and rejoice how these same exit polls show a 9 point margin in supporting Obammy. Uh, if the only people who cared to interviewed at exit polls were pro-recall doesn't that indicate that the anti-recall thus pro-Romney folks chose not to be interviewed at exit?
I am not a Rhodes Scholar and apparently that makes me a little smarter than some who are.
To be fair: FOX news was
Submitted by okie-pastor on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 1:37am.
To be fair: FOX news was reporting the same thing.
FNC
Submitted by HudsonRiverGirl on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 6:23am.
Sadly, FNC used the same stupid headline.
They've become part of the problem. Just want to be loved by the left lately.
Since the Tea Party
Submitted by okie-pastor on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 1:56am.
Since the Tea Party republican Scott Walker won (again) does that mean the Wisconsin voters are racist?
Neal Cavuto on FOX Business made fun of CNN
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 3:58am.
It was hilarious watching Cavuto's election coverage, when he exposed CNN and how they were doing a tight, close up shot on a small crowd that had gathered outside the Wisconsin capital building in Madison. CNN was making the crowd appear to be huge, but Cavuto had FOX Business's cameras pan back and expose the lie/joke that the crowd was actually quite small!
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
CNN knows . . .
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 9:28am.
It's all about appearances . . . Nice to see that Neil knows this too.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
CNN knows . . .
Submitted by Free Stinker on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 9:28am.
It's all about appearances . . . Nice to see that Neil knows this too.
/// Sarah Palin Fan since July 11, 2007 /// خال
It's an accurate headline
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:15am.
I'm probably going to get some gruff for this, but the headline is accurate, he did survive the recall. Would you prefer "Un-recalled?" That would be an interesting headline: Walker Un-Recalled in Wisconsin.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
How about an opinion-free, non-judgmental ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:36am.
"Walker wins recall."
Or, even better, if you want to keep the s-word:
"Walker first governor to survive recall" (okay, because the others didn't)
"Survive" is judgement free
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:54am.
"Survived the recall" is judgement free, and it's highly accurate, for that's exactly what he did. "Beat the odds" would be far more judgmental.
You can't say that he "won" the recall, for he wasn't recalled. A recall is used to get someone out, not put someone in.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Rush is right ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 12:24pm.
... he opened up by noting that using the word "survive" implies "barely ... by the skin of your teeth," or something to that effect.
If you want an accurate headline which still has the s-word, it would be:
"Walker first governor to survive recall election."
Because the previous ones didn't survive.
"He barely survived."
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 1:57pm.
Rush may have used the word "barely," but the AP didn't. He's the one insinuating that the AP used that term to indicate "squeaked by," but, if that were the case, wouldn't have they used the more appropriate term "barely survived?"
What's wrong with the headline, other than it was used by a liberal news source? Objectively, it's nether inaccurate nor biased. In this case, you're insinuating a bias that doesn't exist, all because it didn't say what you felt it should say. The bias, in this instance, is on your part.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Rush was saying that the use of the word "survive" ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 2:51pm.
... was meant to communicate "barely survived," especially to those who wouldn't get past the headline.
We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Bauer had all kinds of words from which to choose; one of them didn't need to be "survive."
I know what Rush was saying...
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 3:19pm.
I know what Rush was saying, but Rush is wrong. You're basing the entire augment on what Rush's interpretation of the headline is, not on what the headline says. The headline is objective. Its Rush who's making it subjective, by inserting things which aren't included in headline. That's bias on his part, plain and simple.
It is this type of bias, this intentional insertion of words and statements that were never included in the original statement, or, in this case, headline, in order to change the meaning, the intent, in a biased manner, that this site is dedicated to ferreting out and exposing. To be honest with you, I'm surprised that you fell for Rush's ploy.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
bias headline
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 3:24pm.
IMHO, the only way to see bias in this headline is to find examples of how the media handled similar Democrat wins. Since this is a unique election in that the incumbent won a recall there will be no direct correlations but similar percentage spreads should be easy to find.
That may be difficult.
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 3:30pm.
That may be difficult to do, as a lot of news services rely upon on or two wire services in which to produce the majority of their articles, especially on national stories. That means that a lot of the news sources will be similar in their headlines and their content. To me, that's one of the biggest disadvantages in using those wire services, a lack of originality.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
yes Cobra,
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:59am.
Reuters and AP - the life spring of the lazy and bias media. Where would we be without them. Between the emergence of the wire service and the conglomeration of media 'empires' they took away much of the opposing opinions in the print media. The TV media has always been subject to limited opinions due to lack of national and varied opinion.
It's not perfectly analogous, Agnostic,but Clinton's impeachment
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 5:10pm.
trial is a helpful comparison. The vote for conviction was well short, but his avoiding removal from office is frequently described as "survival", "survived", or some related form of "survive".
Jer
generous!
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:52am.
While I can see the comparison I would like to point out that Clinton was actually guilty of the charges for which he was being impeached and therefor to 'Survive' is actually more apropos than in the Walker case who seems to have had a steady and reliable lead through the entire process.
I don't really see bias in the headline because it is an acceptable use of the word but I believe in my heart that if the party identification was on the other foot that the mood and wording of the headlines would be completely different.
Exactly ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:15am.
... on impeachment.
On the second point, they would have used "survive" even if Walker had won by 20, and I agree that it would have been completely different had a Dem successfully prevented an attempt at recalling him or her.
Agnostic...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 4:23pm.
You are mixing separate standards. Clinton's guilt or innocence of the specific charges is no more relevant than whether or not the grounds for Walker's recall may have been valid. The controlling issue is whether or not the voters (the Wisconsin electorate and the US Senate)--in whose hands the decisions rested--considered their behavior sufficient to warrant removal from office. In both cases they did not. And thus both individuals survived the attempted ousters by healthy margins.
Jer
Good evening Jer
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 4:28pm.
Clinton survived because Washington was controlled by corrupt liberal democrats just as it is now. Clinton was then and still is a scumbag.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
cocodrie...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 4:40pm.
I note you use the word "survived". Thanks for implicitly acknowledging the propriety of the word used in association with Clinton's avoidance of removal from office by a clear margin--a margin similar to that enjoyed by Walker in his likewise successful effort to remain in office.
Jer
Big difference Jer
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 5:29pm.
Walker remains in office because of the will of the people. Clinton remained in office because of the corruption of the liberal democrats in D.C.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Jer - mixing standards
Submitted by Agnostic on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 8:07am.
If we are speaking of the specific cases away from media coverage I would agree with your summation of the events. However, they are relevant when you examine the collective point of view of media coverage and, something a good reporter would always do, critically determine who benefits.
The overblown media event that was the accusations against Clinton were handled poorly. However the fact that he 'survived' the impeachment was because he was at risk due to the entire nation knowing that he was guilty of the actual charges even though not all understood what the charges were due to an excellent defense strategy by Clinton, his handlers and the media - he survived.
The overblown media event that was the Wisconsin Recall was also handled poorly. However the fact that he 'survived' is a different context because despite the attempts of the media, unions and Democrats to paint this as a close race - it never really was that close.
In fact, it was similar in scale to the Obama/McCain election percentages in which the media clearly stated that the historic election was a mandate for the ideas of Obama and clearly demonstrated the mood of America. So while the word 'survived' is completely appropriate there definitely exist a bias in the coverage to which the selection of the word 'survives' only acts in abetting existing bias - looking at the use of 'survive' outside the context of existing bias there would be no bias in its use.
Exactly
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 9:06am.
A spot on summation.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
FWIW I agree with you
Submitted by Model850 on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 4:22pm.
I don't really see a bias in "survives." Of course one can -- and apparently Rush did -- interpret a meaning if so inclined. But the use of the word itself is pretty straightforward as far as I'm concerned.
For instance, if a headline read, "Man Survives Crash On Interstate" is there an implication of barely making it?
There's nothing in that statement to say that the driver was near death, or climbed out and walked away without a scratch. It's a simple declarative statement of fact: The person didn't die.
Walker faced a rare recall election which constituted a
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 4:52pm.
serious threat to his political career. He survived it--and apparently rather handily. But there's nothing inappropriate by using some form of "survive" to describe his successfully withstanding the attempted ouster.
Jer
Agree Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 5:04pm.
"Survive" is an accurate term for this election. Walker, his wife, his kids, the Lt Gov Kleefish and her kids also survived thousands of death threats from idiots and union thugs. Survive is most accurate.
Well, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 5:29pm.
Death threats are a sad reflection on the psychological and political pathologies which spawn them--regardless of the recipients. I supported Walker's policies and believe the recall effort was ill-advised and the partisan rancor associated with it inexcusable.
But if you wish to inject an angle to the implications of "survival" other than the one under discussion, then It would only be fair to note the death threats that Democratic politicians have "survived" as well.
Jer
Crock, Jer... why not you link em, eh?
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 6:08pm.
Just to be clear, death threats from conservatives...
Not really waiting for your poor response, as I received on another issue... All photos were done by LIBERALS....
Yea yea, so many threads so little time....
You Didn't Build That.
And what pray tell, ucw...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 6:17pm.
do those pics have to do with either the term "survive" or "death threats".
Just more typical ucw deflection.
I think moving on to another thread is a good idea for you. No need to linger and further embarrass yourself.
Jer
Jer...suffering from short, and long term memory loss
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 6:59pm.
here is is ...THIS LINK..
As you play, once again NO LINKS FROM YOU...WHERE ARE THEY??
Time for you to link to all that Conservative, quantity of death threats...AIMED AT DEMOCRATS!
As you flippantly blathered about to Cajun-2...
HELLO ....links please...waiting.....
No pal, loser that you are, tags you as the Compulsive thread ditcher...
Focus Jer..... all those conservative hate threats against democrats....
I'm itching for a link ...Just this one time I'll allow you to violate MD's tag line...
You Didn't Build That.
Are you serious, ucw...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 8:16pm.
the guy [that would be you] who couldn't even remember that the commenter he identified as a "conservative" was the same one he had accused of being Obama's buddy. To repeat, you probably should move along and avoid further embarrassment.
Anyhow, the following are a few "death" references and threats directed at Democrats for your edification. Such as...
here
and here...
and here...“I cannot tell you how much I wish a panty bomber would come in and just fucking blow your place up,” one constituent told former Arizona Congressman Harry Mitchell, a Democrat who lost his reelection bid last year
and here: "A fax with the title "Defecating on Stupak" carried a picture of a gallows with "Bart (SS) Stupak" on it and a noose attached. It was captioned: "All Baby Killers come to unseemly ends either by the hand of man or by the hand of God."
and here
and here
and here
and here.
Will that hold you for awhile?
Jer
A rather benign Fox morning show host
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 8:27pm.
Steve Doocie, probably gets more hate mail then all these examples combined.
Funny word,,,, quantity.
*..
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 9:19pm.
delete
And you know this...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 9:18pm.
how?
True, Doocy is an imbecile. But that's hardly a capital offense.
Jer
So he deserves it,
Submitted by Boudin on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:35pm.
eh?
BBuuuZEET Jer, Missed the part about conservative...
Submitted by upcountrywater on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 9:59pm.
Really where are the videos of roving bands of tea partiers, throwing bricks?
Any arrests there in that post of yours?
Are you sure you want to link to ....Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, an Arizona Democrat?
Hay you forgot this guy:
Police said that about 2:20 a.m., 24-year-old Maurice Schwenkler, now in custody, and an at-large accomplice took a hammer to the picture windows displaying posters touting President Barack Obama and his health care reform efforts.
Balmer said he suspects the vandalism might have been aimed at making the GOP look bad.
You Didn't Build That.
The subject is death threats, ucw...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:15pm.
Geez, keep it in the road, will ya? You're swerving all over the place.
We can branch out to brick-throwing later. Or I could go ahead and relink the item about the right-wing Beck 'n Hannity kook who blew away the homosexual-coddling church members. But what's the point? Can we not just stipulate that there are odious cretins on both sides who don't have the sense God gave a field mouse?
Jer
Jer
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:54pm.
Sure, as long as you stipulate that the overwhelming preponderance of threats and actual physical violence, let alone overall criminal activity in service of political ideology, comes from your side, the Left.
strat --- I shall so stipulate, just so Jer can ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:18am.
go on another rant about thread etiquette; I love those. :o)
MD
strat...you'll need to be more precise in your terminology
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:20am.
and time period. McVeigh [almost] single handedly was able to add significantly to the Right's record of death and destruction.
Jer
Jer
Submitted by stratman on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:50am.
Oklahoma City bombing - 168 dead.
As you requested, the Left's been killing people, more people, for a long time:
Once again, you get your swerve on when it suits your needs, only this time, you swerved into a ditch and off the cliff..
strat...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 4:05pm.
Those are simply pathetic examples and seriously tarnish your reputation for solid advocacy. Fast and Furious? The Waco Siege? I would expect such nonsense from ucw, but not from you. I might just as well toss out Iran/Contra, the allegations about the CIA trafficking in cocaine, and US support for the Pinochet regime in Chile--all of which would be equally bogus.
This is a pointless argument anyway, better suited--if suitable at all--for a forum slugfest. But not here.
Jer
Oh, You Still Want To Play?
Submitted by stratman on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 4:55pm.
Heaven forbid I mention that your side, the Left, began the Civil War. They were Democrats, right? How many dead from the Left's violence because of slavery, Jer?
Oh. I see the problem. I didn't tune in the correct moral relativism frequency for your moonbat radio. Let me adjust the jackass-alator.... OK. Think I have it tuned for you now.
Your side, Jer, the Left, has always had the preponderance of moonbat protestors and propensity to quickly turn to criminal activities, including violence, to satisfy your real or imagined grievances.
Returning to recent times:
There is, of course, more. Much more. Just stipulate and move on (.org) Jer.
Well by all means, strat...let's jump in the time machine
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 5:16pm.
and travel back 175 years to the Civil War during which the slave-holding, states-rights Confederacy would be considered more "conservative" and the unionist, abolitionist North would be generally regarded as "liberals". So, we can add about 600,000 deaths to YOUR side of the ledger. Then followed by 100+ years of right-wing Klan violence, and, gosh, the tally is getting pretty serious.
Jer
~Bullshit
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 5:28pm.
The KKK is the Dem's baby, always has been, always will be.
Bullshit yourself.
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 5:36pm.
I've only acknowledged that about a hundred times, Bru. But, historically, it has also been predominantly conservative and right-wing ideologically. Calling a Klansman "liberal" to his face would place yourself in danger of physical harm. Deal with it.
Jer
And because you acknowledge something, Jer ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:01pm.
you are then allowed to imply it no longer serves as a valid point?
Now that's some bullshit.
MD
Wrong, Matthew...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:06pm.
it simply illustrates the absurdity of informing me of the very fact I have already conceded on numerous occasions.
Jer
MD
Submitted by MrShy on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:14pm.
Jer pisses down our backs and tells us it's raining. Every day. Another day, another dollar.
Stop with your feigned surprise each time! (JK) :)
- reigning shy
Join Mr. Shy and The 1* Percent
You're definitely all wet, Shy...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:27pm.
but it's not from anyone urinating on you.
Jer
Got that right Bru
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 5:46pm.
Of course Saddam Hussein’s Republican Guard. Is conservative.
No big deal that... McVeigh met Andreas Strassmeir, the grandson of a founder of the Nazi party.
You Didn't Build That.
Good evening Bru
Submitted by cocodrie on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:10pm.
True, but Jer won't even accept it as a red-headed stepchild.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Geez, keep it on
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:19am.
Geez, keep it on the road, will ya?
This coming from a guy who asked for an exact answer and when is provided with it suddenly says
"I didn't realize this actually was a quiz question with a definitive answer......"
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/06/01/member-british-parliament-schools-paul-krugman-i-find-his-view-reckle#comment-1701529
(Sorry for not linking, work computer is a little flaky with that)
I would say the death threats against conservatives far out weigh those against the liberals. We see how prone to violence the left is (OWS anyone?) where as us Tea Partiers tend to leave a place clean if not cleaner than before we were there.
Focus Jer, It's about Conservative VS leftys.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 4:43pm.
99% equals 1%.... that is about the ratio, of your field mouse math.
Like this....yup just the same...
You Didn't Build That.
Better concern yourself with your own focus, ucw...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 5:02pm.
YOU were the one attempting to set the ground rules. Or has that sieve you call a memory already forgotten that fact?
[upcountrywater]: "Just to be clear, death threats from conservatives..".
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/06/05/hysterical-cnn-ap-hea...
I'm well aware of your penchant for jumping all over the place, but just once would you try picking a spot and sticking to it?
Jer
LOL Jer, I'm well aware of your penchant of being whacked
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:07pm.
all over in this thread.
Some things never change..Mr. twisterflex.
Keep the lib lie alive like the KKK is conservative.
Just 'bout time for you to tell us all about them conservative moslems, and their activities.
You Didn't Build That.
I'm not sure your ignorance of history is correctable, ucw...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:19pm.
but please review the platform of the Knights of the KKK below and explain to me how it is on balance more liberal than conservative, or, if you prefer, more left-wing than right-wing:
Enemies from within are destroying the United States of America. An unholy coalition of anti-White, anti-Christian liberals, socialists, feminists, homosexuals, jews and militant blacks have managed to seize control of our government and mass media. This gang of criminals and degenerates has declared war on the hard working, tax paying, White citizens. White Americans have become second class citizens in the country our ancestors built from nothing. The liberal dictatorship seeks to disarm us and leave us at the mercy of savage rapist and murders. Bands of bloodthirsty criminals prowl our streets. They rape, rob and murder with impunity. As our women and children are butchered by these subhumans, the Republicans and Democrats demand that white people remain silent and show "tolerance". Freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to keep and bear arms are all being taken away. All the mighty pillars of American democracy are being torn down by the left wing tyrants. The American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan plan to change things for the better. We shall liberate our nation from these savage criminals and restore law and order to America.
TRADITIONAL VALUES: The liberal government and its media encourage our young children to behave like primitive savages. Homosexuality, bisexuality, transsexuals, sado-masochism, and every other type of vile perversion is applauded by the scum that control our country. The American Knights demand a return to sanity. We call for a restoration of Christian values to all walks of life.
CRIME: America is the most violent nation on the face of the earth. Major cities like New York, Chicago, Miami, Atlanta and Philadelphia have been all but over run by hordes of savage criminals. The liberal government papers these subhuman and attempts to disarm law-abiding citizens. The American Knights demand that our cities be liberated from these barbarians. We shall remove the killers and rapists from our streets and execute those that deserve it.
ABORTION: Thousands of innocent children are slaughtered each day at Baby killing centers all over the country. The government has made abortion a convenient form of birth control. The American Knights will outlaw this barbaric, satanic practice and punish the sadistic doctors who are guilty of these crimes against humanity.
GUN CONTROL: The so-called gun control bills enacted by the government are nothing but anti-self defense laws designed to disarm law abiding White citizens. The Klan will completely restore the right of all law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms. THE MEDIA: All three of our television networks are controlled by jews. Most of our daily newspapers, magazines and book publishing companies are owned by jew tycoons. The Klan will smash this jewish monopoly of our mass media. We will restore the right of free speech and open debate of political issues.
EDUCATION: America's public schools, colleges and universities have been turned into political indoctrination centers run by deprived liberals, communist and jews in our public. WHITE teachers and students are raped and robbed by niggers and other savages on a daily basis. The Klan will remove the criminals from the classrooms and put them behind bars where they belong. Forced bussing will be outlawed. Prayer will be returned to our schools. All teachers who continue to promote anti-American doctrine will be removed and replaced by decent American patriots.
HOMOSEXUALITY: The Klan will take away all the special rights and privileges granted to homosexuals by the liberal dictatorship over the last few years. Homosexuals will no longer be permitted to adopt children or "marry" each other. Gay bars, gay nightclubs, and gay bathhouses will be shut down.
IMMIGRATION: Millions of Third World bandits enter our country illegally every year. The Republicans and Democrats do nothing to halt this massive invasion. America is being transformed into a new Mexico. The American Knights call for an end to this madness. We shall halt all immigration from non-White nations and use the U.S. Army to restore integrity to our borders.
THE NEGRO PROBLEM: The Klan is strongly opposed to the insane policies that discriminate against White people in favor of unqualified and lazy niggers. We shall abolish affirmative action and minority quota systems. All unqualified blacks will be removed from positions of power and influence in our government. The Klan will launch a massive campaign to liberate our cities from the black gangs that presently terrorize them.
THE ECONOMY: Jewish bankers and shylocks control the American economy with an iron hand. The American Knights will remove these users from power and restore a Constitutional money system. Taxes will be lowered, the corrupt Federal system will be smashed, and the foreign buying up of our nation will be halted. The Klan will place trained economist in charge of our economy and punish the jew tycoons who have brought America to the brink of financial disaster.
FOREIGN POLICY: The Klan favors a strong foreign policy that closely guards American interests around the world. The Klan will encourage all other White nations to throw off the yoke of zionist/liberal occupation. All aid to worthless third World nations like Israel will be cut off. The foreign policy of the Klan led United States will be: AMERICA FIRST, LAST AND ALWAYS!
Jer
Democrat Racism Pal, Now share with us conservative moslems.
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:27pm.
It was the Democrat Party that gave Blacks the poll taxes and literacy tests to keep them from voting… Republican. It was the Democrat Party that created the Ku Klux Klan as an enforcement arm to terrorize Black and White Republicans. It was the Democrat Party that repealed anti-lynching legislation, yet today their very liberals are hypersensitive any time a noose appears in public.
You Didn't Build That.
~I just busted your ass
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:30pm.
and your lame-ass source. That page isn't a KKK website; it's a webpage published by Hartford Web Publishing.
Hartford Web Publishing provides pro bono web publishing services that in general aim to promote social progress.
World History Archives, by Hartford Web Publishing, offers documents to support the study of world history from a working-class and non-Eurocentric perspective.
AKA, LEFTISTS. Gee, I'm sure they wouldn't make crap up to reinvent the KKK as conservative, now would they?
You haven't busted anybody's ass...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 7:08pm.
unless and until you can prove that it was in fact a fraudulent document made up and published by Hartford Web Publishing.
By the way, here's another platform of a Klan related organization. Once again, explain how it comports more with "liberal" ideology than "conservative". As I've stated before, I'm not claiming these kooks are mainstream conservatives, but the majority [not all] of the beliefs they [KKK groups] espouse are more identifiable with right-wing philosophy rather than left-wing.
Jer
They cannot by any definition
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 12:45am.
Conservative, because conservatives are not bigots.
Indeed, nor can they be nazis, fascists, anarchists, plutocrats
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 1:19am.
autocrats, oligarchists, know-nothings, professors, bullies, masturbationists, racists, cubists, spiritualists, Unitarians, liars, illiterate, deceitful, uncongenial, rude, violent, indiscreet, unsociable, illogical, uninformed, forgetful, contagious, impure, or possess an IQ less than 140.
I have learned much during my sojourn here.
Jer
masturbationists
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 1:26am.
Really?
Great, could we measure this using abortions? I wonder?
Jer
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 2:43am.
I like it. Can I use it on this year's Christmas cards?
Cubists. That's someone from Cub'er, right?
Ignorance of History?
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:39pm.
The Klan started in 1999?
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
No, silly...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 7:09pm.
Jer
BTW, we've strayed far afield from the original blog topic...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 7:25pm.
which I attempted to point out earlier by suggesting this present "spat" was more appropriate, if at all, for a forum debate.
strat for some reason thought that "Oh, you still want to play?" was a proper response to that suggestion.
Nevertheless, my opinion hasn't changed. So, is there any chance we could return to the actual issue addressed by Tom?
Jer
No Jer
Submitted by stratman on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 7:44pm.
You confuse and conflate historically held Democrat positions with those retained by the KKK as some sort of evolution in the Klan to align themselves with Conservativism.
Enilghten me on how Southern Democrats, or Americans in general, were for abortion, gay rights, Jewish bankers, illegal alien rights, etc before the Klan existed.
I know all you young kids out there think having ideals that have been around longer than Brittany Spears is Conservative, but that would make Leftwing radical Bill Ayers and his wish to have bombed more a Conservative. No. Just because the Klan wanted to hold onto an old way of life does not make then Conservatives. The Klan were not Originalists or Constitutionalists. They were never Conservatives.
But, as a leftiist; Jer ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 8:03pm.
wants his version of history to be correct.
As a history buff, he considers his version to be correct.
Jer is the poster lad for those of the left who are lovers of dyslexic pseudo Latin phrasing:
"Sum ergo cogito" --- "I am; therefore what I think - has to be correct."
MD
Jer
Submitted by stratman on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 7:26pm.
The KKK were Southern Democrats. Even the Leftwing Wikipedia recognizes this fact:
The Southern supporters of Civil War were hardly Conservatives. You are foolish to think we on NewsBusters would fall for that twisted DKos rationalization crap, but it does exemplify what you think of Conservatives. The Civil War was a course correction necessitated by yet another example of the Left's insistence on controlling people's lives and the Right's penchant for compromise on values, ultimately resulting in the Right going to war to keep the promise made beginning with the Declaration of Independence:
Again, Jer, Conservatism is the Center of American politics and is all about small government and Constitutionalism. This is the agreement made by our Founding Fathers and, therefore, is the Center of American political ideology. Libertarianism is possibly to the Right of Conservatism - possibly -but everything else is to the Left of the Center, which is Conservatism.
Timothy McVeigh was hardly a Constitutionalist. Blowing up a building is far from Conservatism. McVeigh's actions make him an anarchist/terrorist rather than a Conservative. Nice try tarring Conservatism. I do, however, understand you can't help it as a Leftist.
Maybe you've missed the multiple occasions where I've
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 7:59pm.
explicitly acknowledged the Democratic roots of the KKK. But, I really don't think you overlooked them. We both have been here far too long, and I've posted the concession far too many times for you to be unaware of it.
Therefore, I must consider the possibility that your motivation for restating so emphatically what I have admitted so frequently and freely is to calculatedly and deliberately insinuate I am laboring under false assumptions and historical misapprehensions in order for you to inflame the opinion of those who are not so well-acquainted with my past statements.
In any event, I understand your thesis. Democrats, liberals, the "left": Invariably, relentlessly, and incorrigibly pernicious, evil and malevolent. Republicans, conservatives, and the "right": Consistently, uniformly, and pervasively noble, pure, and benevolent. And let no one speak a single ill word toward or about the latter, while of course it remains open season on the former.
Got it.
Jer
So, were you aware coming in, Jer, that ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 8:31pm.
us conservatives were going calculatedly and deliberately insinuate things about you cuz you are a lefty; or did it take you all of being one week shy of a total of five years on board to decide you were being picked on?
The attempt, in your last paragraph, to be facetious, actually shows why you are consistently at odds with conservative regulars on these threads ---
We know conservatives are not perfect; but conservatives are far more likely to call out their own for misprision, than are lefties and liberal/progressives when it comes to treating with their side.
NewsBusters may go primarily after liberal media bias, but I have seen conservative posters on these threads decry GOP actions / inactions many times.
Can't say the same when it comes to lefty libs going after other leftists or Democrats - in any venue.
You always point out how often you state, on these threads, your feelings regarding Lib--Dim miscues; but one drop of water does not a rainstorm make.
MD
Just how many drops does it take before it finally soaks
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 8:43pm.
into your brain, Matthew?
Jer
If coming from a lefty, a lib, or a ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:26pm.
progressive, Jer, there wouldn't be enough drops in a tsunami to convince me to side with them.
MD
Words Have Meaning
Submitted by stratman on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:23pm.
As you've said in this thread:
and
and
Gee, I must have mistaken your comments about the KKK identifying with Conservatism. Not.
Who's making false assumptions? You, Jer. Again, you conflate and confuse history. The KKK kept the same values of the traditional Democrat while the rest of the Left went further Left. Your mistake is to compare today's Left with yesteryear's Left. They are not the same except in the fact that both are not Constitutionalists. It's like comparing the so-called Liberal of today with the Liberal of the 50's and 60's. How in the hell do you justify calling yourselves the same name when the Left of the 50's and 60's wanted government out of their lives and today's Left want to force more government upon the people? The Left are screwed up and dangerous to America. The Left's way is not America's way. Utopia is impossible. Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, the Left - whatever the flavor of the day is - are enslaving people again, incrementally, not freeing the people or even maintaining current liberties.
Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 6:47pm.
My point was to draw attention to the hate and calls for violence in Wisc. by unions both homegrown and imported. If this is how the democrats want to win elections and recalls, then every state may be in trouble. Politicians are already thinking twice about running for re-election, even democrats, because of the threats if they dont vote for the liberal agenda. The thugs in Wisc damaged the capital, cost the taxpayers millions for damages and police protection, as well as additional money to the state for this recall election
The unions want to control working people, businesses, and government decisions about government employees. Waaay too much power to unions when almost every state and the Feds that have rules to protect workers. The unions are fighting for other people's money for their power since they are becoming obsolete. "Survive" is more than just a republican governor's fight, it is a fight for the evil useless violent union brown shirts that have no respect for the election process, the voice of the people.
Maybe you misunderstood me, cajun...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 9:15pm.
So I'll repeat what I posted earlier. I backed Walker against the unions. Death threats are inexcusable. The recall election was ill-advised.
However, although the death threats in Wisconsin made by union thugs and their allies were and are contemptible, it's not as if Democrats are the only ones who have ever authored such threats, nor are Republicans and conservatives always targets and never instigators. It's a two-way street traveled by low-lifes from all ideological directions.
And I'm a little confused why you enlarged the "survival" issue and addressed it to me. Others had weighed in on the use of the term earlier. I agreed with their interpretation and merely added the impeachment comparison.
Jer
Maybe both of us Jer*
Submitted by cajun2 on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 9:40pm.
Again, I was talking about the force of the unions involved in this story. The "little Hatch Act" adopted by every state, does not allow for government employees to become involved in politics. It is probably the easiest of violations to fire someone. State and federal employees are highly protected, have wage rules where ALL employees at certain GS levels all make the same amount. And trust me, it is very difficult to fire a government employee even if they committ grievous violations.
The most powerful organizations are the unions and here they have decided to control the political environment in Wisc. They released names of voters, they spent millions of members money for an agenda the members were against. They used intimidation and threats against public servants at great costs to taxpayers. Again, disregarding the voice of the citizens, their safety, their money, their voice.
There are nuts all over the country, that we agree on. But this is an organized bunch throughout the country and have openly called for intimidation and violence to achieve their goals with no interest of the citizens in mind. The unions have become self serving rather than serve their members. They have become similar to the Mafia in the manner they operate.
Whether you agree on "right to work" or not,we can all agree, violence in the election process is a threat to our country, threats against public servants of any kind is horrific, regardless of the numbers involved, you know that the threats of violence does not come from the majority of ordinary Americans. It comes from the well organized radical groups from the left regardless of the target. Unions should never have that kind of power nor should we have a DOJ that turns the other cheek since they represent "their" people.
People like Trumpka has been to the White House a lot more than Cardinal Dolan. Alan West has been a target of the media, the black caucus, and never been invited to the white house. He is a favority of the TEA Party which has never engaged in riots, threats, month long sit ins, or damaged property. But it is always a constant that conservatives are as dangerous as the left, threaten violence as much as the left, death threats as much as the left, and are the most danger to America.
The story about Wisconsin is extremely important because it brings out the worst of the left progresive agenda, the means justifies the ends, and the hypocrisy of the media and even rational democrats. This election is very telling as to what will happen in every state as we near Nov 2012. THAT is what I fear will be the "end of our republic", not a republican president as the media states.
You and I agree on some things but the most important is that this isnt about d's and r's. Its about the radicals in this country who want to destroy the process where d's and r's ASK the voters for their voice and their support.
Tom, a biased headline would read...
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 2:50pm.
Tom, a biased headline would read "barely survives " or "easily survives" because both "barely" and "easily" are subjective. It all depends upon one's definition of each term. It takes a certain amount of bias to define them.
"Survives," on the other hand, is objective because there's no opinion based values that are needed to define it. You ether survive or you don't. So, the headline "Walker survives" isn't biased because it isn't subjective.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Not really
Submitted by Mr. Bishop on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:37am.
I don't think you will get gruff because it is true. In addition, it was record setting, from my understanding. From what I have read, of the 3 governors recalled, only Scott Walker has ever survived it. So, as far as semantics go, it is an accurate statement to make, that he survived the recall. It'd be like people denying that Clinton was ever impeached because he was not convicted -- semantics -- he was impeached.
__________________________________________________________
If homosexuality is genetic, then it must be a birth defect. If it is a birth defect, then stem cell research might provide a cure.
For curiosity's sake
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:56am.
Just out of curiosity, does anyone here know what the recall ballot actually looked like? I've been searching for a photo copy of it, but I can't seem to find it anywhere.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
As the recall ballot was initiated by the left side, ---
Submitted by matthewdean on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 4:45pm.
and they were unsuccessful in their endeavor, it appears no recall ballot survived; barely or otherwise.
MD
In our local newspaper (Sun
Submitted by celator on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:44am.
In our local newspaper (Sun Journal), the most inept and liberal partisan paper in Maine, the editors played the AP "Walker Survived" story on page A7 his morning. Seriously.
Their big front page stories included the earth shattering news that the local Kiwanis Club had canceled its pancake breakfast this year, and the opening of a new gambling casino. And oh, yes, the Venus transit.
This is the same newspaper that placed the news that McCain had chosen Sarah Palin as his VP candidate on page B10 or so in 2008.
No bias there, no sirree.
~On 'survives'
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 4:57pm.
The use of this word implies that the situation was perilous, when in fact, Walker was ahead in the polls the whole time, both before and after a challenger was nominated. That is how it's use shows bias on the part of the media.
Hahahaha....look what I just found..
If Walker survives the recall, he will send a message to President Obama and Mitt Romney that taxpayers are ready to consider a reduction in the size and cost of government, along with possibly returning it to its constitutional boundaries.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/cal-thomas/2012/06/05/cal-thomas-column-wis...
Nice catch, Bru...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 1:27am.
Cal Thomas, a conservative pundit and strong supporter of Governor Walker, penned that recent column when all indications pointed to a clear Walker victory. And yet he too employed the term "survives" in the context of the upcoming recall vote.
Cal's usage reaffirms its propriety. But I wonder if Mr. Blumer thinks Thomas is biased or just weak in writing and language skills.
Jer
"Walker Wins Recall Election" would've been too confusing.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 4:58pm.
LOL.
Or
Submitted by stratman on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 6:24pm.
"Walker Recall Defeated"
Neal Armstrong Survives Trip to Moon!
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:45pm.
Technically, my headline is accurate. It does not, however, properly convey the context of the first mission where a man stepped foot on the moon.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
US Astronauts Survive Foolhardy Soviet Effort To Scuttle
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:53pm.
Apollo 11 Moon Mission Shortly After Launch.
Volley of air-to-air missiles fired by three MiG-21's from Cuban air base fail to come close to target. Havana vaporized by A-Bomb.
That more appropriately illustrates the context.
Jer
Here's exactly what Rush said ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:06pm.
LINK
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By the way, you really have to love some of the headlines and some of the leads in the stories about the Walker victory. How about this from the Washington Post: "Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker Survives Recall Election." Survives? I saw that all night last night. "Survives"? That implies barely. That implies by a gnat's eyelash. Survives? This was a thumping! It was a bigger margin than it was two years ago.
"Scott Walker Survives Recall Election. Long lines and close vote. Race tests both parties, November strategies." Not one thing in that headline or lede in the Washington Post is accurate, not one thing.
+++++++++++
Great point by Kingfish17.
And I think Rush is right, and will have to disagree with the idea that "survives" is some kind of neutral term, because those arguing for its neutrality seem to believe that it would be a proper term even if Walker had won by 20 or even 30 points. Nope.
Sorry, Tom...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:59pm.
Rush should have been using both halves of his brain for this one. He blew it.
Jer
Context...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 12:59am.
Example #1
With closing arguments in President Clinton's impeachment trial scheduled today and little doubt the president will survive a vote to remove him from office, a bipartisan group of senators yesterday pressed for agreement to punish Clinton with a toughly worded censure.
Example #2
Why Did Clinton Survive the Impeachment Crisis? A Test of Three Explanations
Example #3
In December 1998, Bill Clinton became the first president to be impeached since Andrew Johnson in 1868. At first, it looked like the end of the Clinton Presidency. As time passed, the proceedings became partisan. Bill Clinton managed to define the terms of debate. The issue became sex and not obstruction of justice. In the end, Clinton survived removal from office by changing the subject to sex.
Example #4
WASHINGTON -- The Senate yesterday acquitted William Jefferson Clinton of high crimes and misdemeanors, preserving a presidency indelibly tarnished by scandal, but unshakably sustained by public approval. Clinton, condemned even by senators who had voted to keep him in office, survived only the second presidential impeachment trial in history as the Senate rejected two articles charging him with perjury and obstruction of justice in attempting to conceal his sexual relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky."
Example #5
Today people see many things in Bill Clinton, but when it comes to impeachment, they mostly see a guy who survived it. For better or worse, that becomes the biggest lesson of the Clinton impeachment melodrama.
And those are just the tip of the iceberg.
Jer
Con's text.
Submitted by The Vet on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 1:04am.
Elwood, Send Jer around with the Bluesmobile. I survived the Joliet pen and am out on parole. -Jake.
Waiting at the gate, Jake.
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 1:11am.
Can't miss me. I'm holding a banana.
Jer
Zheesh ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:25am.
... Clinton was on trial. There is no parallel.
Are you saying that using "survived" in describing Walker's win would have been appropriate even if he had won by 20 points?
Zounds! No parallel?????
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 3:20pm.
Well...ONLY that both were politicians facing efforts to remove them from elected office and both easily withstood votes taken in accordance with those efforts. But other than that, no, there was no parallel at all.
Sheesh. One gathers the only "parallel" you would acknowledge is another gubernatorial recall election in which the sitting governor prevailed by the identical margin.
Jer
The question stands, and you have not answered it ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 7:34pm.
... Are you saying that using "survived" in describing Walker's win would have been appropriate even if he had won by 20 points?
Yes or no?
Tom...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 8:23pm.
Yes.
Now, depending on the margin, I think an additional descriptor may have been in order, e.g. "barely", "narrowly", "comfortably", "easily", "handily", etc.
Jer
Well, it's a good thing you're not a sports reporter
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 1:28am.
"Nadal Survives French Open Match: 6-0, 6-1, 6-0"
"Spurs Survive Series with Jazz in 4-0 Sweep"
"Pitcher Survives Complete Game in 9-0 Shutout"
Zheesh.
I would make an excellent sports reporter...
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 1:38am.
Nadal survives first round upset bid by French Open qualifier. Wins 6-1 in fifth set after dropping first two. Slams racquet into face of gutsy but ultimately outclassed opponent.
Jer
Got any wwf?
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 1:49am.
Lets have it,,,,
No, but remind me to tell you about The Great Golden Giant
Submitted by Jer on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 1:56am.
and Saturday Night Wrestling telecast from the studios of Channel 7 in Jackson, Tennessee many years ago.
Jer
Sure
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 06/08/2012 - 2:06am.
Any time
~I'm afraid I don't know any current KKK members
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 6:16pm.
but since you're so familiar with them and how they act and what they think, Jer, perhaps you could back that up. Show us proof that KKK members now consider themselves conservatives and vote Republican.
We showed you ours, you show us yours.
~Still waiting, Jer
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:11pm.
.
Bru...I've posted two platforms which I believe you are smart
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:20pm.
enough to reasonably analyze. You questioned the source of one, but responded substantively to neither. I'm still waiting.
Jer
~Oh please
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 06/09/2012 - 11:38am.
Strat de-bunked your pathetic attempt to conflate the KKK with conservatives here. Read it again.
You have lost all credibility with me, and the further you go the more I despise you.
Footnote...
Submitted by Jer on Thu, 06/07/2012 - 11:51pm.
"We showed you ours, you show us yours."
You showed me proof that KKK members now consider themselves liberals and vote Democratic? Is that what you're saying. If so, where is the proof?
As a general rule, I don't stop people on the street and ask about their voting habits, much less if they are Klan members. But I read and stay reasonably abreast of the news. And, darn it, you're right. Here's an example from your own state of LIBERAL Klansmen gunning down five of their fellow 'liberals' back in 1979. [sarc off]
Jer
~You probably couldn't be direct if you tried
Submitted by Wrathful Brunette on Sat, 06/09/2012 - 11:46am.
The only way you can maintain your ground here is to ignore history and continually move the goalposts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-oS4WLui3Q
If I continue to deal with you on this I'm going to burn you down and bag your ashes in a way that will make all the beatdowns you've received prior seem like love notes.
Have a nice rest of your life.
Popping the popcorn, sitting back and waiting.
Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 06/09/2012 - 11:52am.
Get em Bru, this is going to be good.
This will be fun to
Submitted by Scuba Dude on Sat, 06/09/2012 - 4:22pm.
This will be fun to watch!
Thanks for the video Bru, I have known for some time that the Democrats have always been the party of slavery. They are still keeping it alive in a much more subtle way with their policies.
Why Jer keeps defending and identifying with them is beyond me, he seems like a nice intelligent guy. I guess he harbors a more darker side. :-) Oooo, was that racist if me to say that!! LOL
I have a relative like Jer
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sat, 06/09/2012 - 4:45pm.
I have a relative in my extended family who is a Yellow Dog Dem and will always support Dems. He is a personal injury attorney and has made a ton of money in his profession. He is a smart guy and knows that if conservatives ever got in control, they might enact "Loser Pays" laws that would basically put him out of business, or severely curtail his earnings potential.
Not saying that Jer is in the same situation. I'm just saying that I know nice people who have a vested interest in being a Yellow Dog Dem.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Just a quick question, Kingfish...
Submitted by Jer on Sat, 06/09/2012 - 6:01pm.
and I'll return later and address the nonsense which precedes your post.
Given your remarks about attorneys, "Loser Pays laws" [various iterations of which are already in effect in many jurisdiction] vested interests, Yellow Dog Dems, earnings potential and "me", do you not find it just the least bit odd that I have repeatedly and emphatically endorsed meaningful "tort reform"--a term which is ordinarily regarded as an expletive by personal injury lawyers?
Jer
"Not saying that Jer is in the same situation."
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sat, 06/09/2012 - 6:53pm.
I was merely pointing out how it's understandable that certain people support Dems. I read most of your posts, but certainly not all of them. I didn't know where you stand on tort reform. I still don't really know where you stand on tort reform, and even if you spelled it out, I may forget in the future where you stand on tort reform.
Even if I had known your position on tort reform, it would not have meant a thing regarding my post, as I went out of my way to say that it had nothing to do with you, personally.
And I also don't know if you are a Yellow Dog Dem, either! I'm holding out hope that you vote occasionally for a Rhino or two.
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama
Yes, I noticed that Kingfish...
Submitted by Jer on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 3:44am.
I also noticed you titled your comment "I have a relative like Jer".
So, I'm not quite sure what your point is or was.
By the way, I've also posted several times that I have voted for many Republicans at the state and local level. If you are unaware of what I've posted, why not ask before making insulting insinuations?
Jer
If you're not sure...
Submitted by Kingfish17 on Sun, 06/10/2012 - 9:01am.
If your not sure, than why consider my point insulting in the least? I always advise my family members, who from time-to-time engage in the Facebook Drama arguments that occur so frequently there, (I have a FB account but only use it four or five times a year), to give the other person the benefit of the doubt when it comes to perceived grievance or insult. I'm surprised I'm asking you to do the same.
No insult exists in any of my two posts above. If you're not sure, just ask for a clarification.
My family member is "like you" in that he argues incessantly from a liberal viewpoint. Not a far left loony bias, mind you. More of a "NY Times" liberal slant on things. He has a vested interest in arguing from that perspective, because of his profession, so it's understandable why he holds his viewpoints. Scuba Dude, in reference to Democrats, asked, "Why Jer keeps defending and identifying with them is beyond me, he seems like a nice intelligent guy." So I offered a plausible reason and related it to a relative of mine. And followed it up by pointing out that I wasn't saying that you were in the same situation as my relative, (because I have no way of knowing that one way or the other).
So where is the insult? I'm was merely offering a valid explanation of why a totally rational individual keeps defending what many of us here consider the indefensible. (And the "totally rational" remark is in reference to my relative. I don't want to make any assumptions about you that you might perceive as an insult.)
"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama