NYT's Anti-Concealed Carry Report Actually Proves That No. Carolina and Its Permit Holders Are Safer
It seems that if you're a New York Times reporter on a mission to prove something you think must be obvious and your research leads to the exact opposite result from what you smugly expected, you forge ahead and try to pretend that you proved your point anyway.
At least that how it seems to have worked out for Times reporter Michael Luo in a report appearing in Tuesday's print edition which tried to show readers how one state which allows residents to carry concealed weapons with a permit is allegedly allowing large numbers of dangerous people to possess them. But the way the math works out, North Carolina, the state which the Times investigated, is far safer than many jurisdictions without such laws, even given the problems cited with pulling permits from those who have committed crimes and should not still be holding them. Additionally, the murder rate among North Carolinians who don't have permits or associate with those who do is higher than it is among permit holders. Here is Luo's pathetic attempt to make a case which can't be made:
The bedrock argument for this movement is that permit holders are law-abiding citizens who should be able to carry guns in public to protect themselves. “These are people who have proven themselves to be among the most responsible and safe members of our community,” the federal legislation’s author, Representative Cliff Stearns, Republican of Florida, said on the House floor.
To assess that claim, The New York Times examined the permit program in North Carolina, one of a dwindling number of states where the identities of permit holders remain public. The review, encompassing the last five years, offers a rare, detailed look at how a liberalized concealed weapons law has played out in one state. And while it does not provide answers, it does raise questions.
More than 2,400 permit holders were convicted of felonies or misdemeanors, excluding traffic-related crimes, over the five-year period, The Times found when it compared databases of recent criminal court cases and licensees. While the figure represents a small percentage of those with permits, more than 200 were convicted of felonies, including at least 10 who committed murder or manslaughter. All but two of the killers used a gun.
So what obvious piece of information is missing? That would be the number of permit holders in the Tar Heel State. Luo never gives us that all-important number because it makes a mockery of his pathetic journalistic attempt to smear gun owners.
The state's Department of Justice tells us that 228,072 concealed handgun permits (HT Robert VerBruggen at the Corner) have been issued during the past 16-1/2 years. Conservatively rounding that number down to 200,000 to allow for possible deaths (of non-murderous causes, Mr. Luo) and those moving out of the state, this would mean that in the five years studied:
- There were two murders per year (forget the "at least" which precedes the 10 murders/manslaughters above; that appears to be an attempt by Luo to dress up a very small number, or to pretend that he couldn't find something which wasn't there to be found).
- That's one murder per 100,000 permit holders -- really a lot less than one considering permit holders' family members.
- North Carolina's statewide murder rate in 2010 was 3.34 per 100,000 (319 murders in a state with 9.54 million people -- over three times higher than the rate among permit holders, even before adding in their family members.
- The nationwide murder rate in 2010 was 4.8 per 100,000 -- almost five times higher than that among North Carolina permit holders (before considering family members) and about 45% higher than the rate for North Carolina as a whole.
- To name just one dangerous U.S. city, the 2010 murder rate in Chicago, a city which is especially hostile to citizen gun ownership, was about 16 per 100,000 (435 murders in a population of 2.7 million.
The felony and misdemeanor stats among the North Carolina permit holders also seem extraordinarily small for a five-year period involving 200,000 or more people.
One thing which may be skewing North Carolina's results to the dangerous detriment of non-permit holders is the fact that it does allow the identities of holders to be found. That would seem to be a bad mistake, because criminals can then target people who don't have permits and avoid those who do. It would seem to be much better for criminals to never know for sure if their intended victim is armed, and it would be interesting (though apparently impossible, without violating privacy) to see if non-holders in states which don't disclose holders' names are statistically safer.
Though it took extra work, we should thank Mr. Luo for proving the opposite point of what he tried to make. Maybe next time he'll tell us what he actually found instead of playing a game of misdirection. Better yet, he'll just stay home and not bother reporting anything at all.
Graphic is from the cover of "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
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beating a dead horse
Submitted by MidAmerica on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 12:43am.
For the government to even consider confisticating the guns of law abiding citizens and leave them to the mercy of criminals would be beyond insane. Face it Leftoids, it's too late. The countless millions of guns in the hands of Americans is a fact that cannot be reversed.
Leftists simply hate the idea
Submitted by MrSnuggles on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 1:54am.
Leftists simply hate the idea of people practicing personal liberty, ie. self defense, freedom of movement, free practice of religion, etc. They would rather people be dependent on government and die than to be free and live.
consider Chicago
Submitted by MidAmerica on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 12:57am.
Illinois is the only state without conceal-carry and the Chicago politicians have always sought even more restrictive gun laws. So are they safer in Chicago? Nope. The official motto of certain parts of Chicago should be 'Duck and Cover'.
current example:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/28/two-killed-five-wounded-in-shooting-at-chicago-restaurant/?test=latestnews
Some states force concealed carry.
Submitted by Ashrak on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 12:21pm.
Others deny it in favor of open carry.
Wisconsin recently went to this foolish level - requiring a permit to conceal it, while open carrying remaining free and clear absent any permission slip structure.
Illinois does stand alone but not on concealed carry. Illinois is the only state where Citizens cannot legally carry a handgun for the purpose of self defense in any way, shape or form whether openly or concealed.
Indeed, exercise of the right to carry a firearm is punished as a felony offense in Illinois.
And what has John Boehner and his party done about this travesty? Pass legislation that ignores Illinois governments transgression, ignores Illinoisans plight to finally regain their snaked away Second Amendment recognized right and goes so far as to ignore even the Supreme Court's convoluted "incorporation" of that Constitutionally recognized reality.
The Republican Party is the party of Inalienable rights?
Hardly. The U. S. House should be withholding every penny from the state of Illinois until such time as state government complies with and stands down its longstanding assault upon the Second Amendment recognized rights of the people who live here.
It is long past time to admit that the vast majority of gun laws do not pass constitutional muster. Sure, those targeting uses that violate the actual rights of another, like shooting an innocent, robbery and other nefarious actions, are legit - as they are protecting Liberty without violating Liberty, but all the licensing, all the permission slips, are affronts to Individual Freedom.
Folks need to think through what "permits" amount to and what "allow" actually means. This is no something to support - it is something to oppose with every fiber of our being. A change of perspective often helps understanding.
Who would accept government imposing a "permit" to carry a Bible in their pocket, or how about a pencil, paper or even a laptop? The reality is that the Second Amendment is no different than the First Amendment and even SCOTUS has openly admitted it in precedent setting decision. This means that authorities government has over one, it has over the other as well.
So while Illinois does have major troubles in this arena, so do many other states. Only a handful have it right.
Constitutional Carry is the only just, right and proper solution. Imagine that! Abiding by the Constitution is the solution. ;)
The entire goal of gun
Submitted by SpaceManSpiff on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 1:59am.
The entire goal of gun control is people control. Keep the citizenry dependent on government services. A dependent population is a compliant population.
How many 1000's of laws...
Submitted by Order270 on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 3:36am.
...do we already have against killing people? Don't try to sell me on gun control being the panacea for America's deadly street woes.
Liberals want a stronger and more controlling central government to sustain the voracious appetite of Government Greed.
How many 1000's of laws...
Submitted by Order270 on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 3:37am.
...do we already have against killing people? Don't try to sell me on gun control being the panacea for America's deadly street woes.
Liberals want a stronger and more controlling central government to sustain the voracious appetite of Government Greed.
High School Kids Driving the School Busses were safer too.
Submitted by Avitar on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 4:08am.
People who learn from history are always going to come out and say whacky things. Like children who learn to work while in school will know how to work and have a better attiitude about school iwhen thereis a paycheck in it . And a anvil and and a coyote fall at the same rate. How many centuries did the eliets beliefe that a heavier objject fell faster than a light object.?
Nice work Tom
Submitted by Coldsnap on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 6:09am.
That's all. =)
A little bit of Christmas magic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS4G2f2Xy3w
Finally!
Submitted by andrew - des moines on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 6:17am.
I now understand the logic behind the Michael Mann hockey stick graph. When cured with Leftism, statistical analysis, like science, will always conform to the preconceived notions. In any case, like all newspaper articles, few people read beyond the first couple of paragraphs. So if NPR or CNN pick up and amplify this story, it will be mission accomplished for the NYT.
Guns?
Submitted by gwalt on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 9:10am.
What guns? I don't own any guns. Huh? Oh those six or seven guns I bought over the years? ------sold them. At a gun show.
Don't know who they were. Sorry-- no guns here. Go away. ( click/click).
"A lot of briefing for a 2 hr. special with Dan Rather. Saw the show & wonder why we bothered". Ronald Reagan
I would rather
Submitted by misterbee241 on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 9:47am.
walk down a street in a North Carolina city than a street in New York City any day of the week. In NC i could protect myself with my handgun. In New York, I'd go to jail. And btw, my home state of Virginia is concealed carry too, thanks to Republican governor George Allen. But it didnt stop the liberal media here from getting their skirts up over their heads and getting hysterical. Does anyone remember character actress Uma O'Connor? Whenever she got frightened, she'd throw her apron up over her face, let out a blood curdling scream, and run. This is what the liberal media did here in Virginia when CC was enacted.
Corruption of Government and the Theft of Inalienable Rights.
Submitted by Ashrak on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 12:05pm.
Is state government empowered to compel Citizens to acquire a permit in order to legally carry a Bible concealed on their person?
If state, and local, governments are empowered to "regulate" the Second Amendment in this way, then so too is it empowered to "regulate" the First Amendment just the same.
The purpose of recognizing, enumerating, certain inalienable rights was to stop government from doing just exactly what it is doing.
The answer is, flatly, "No!", government, whether it be federal, state or local, is not empowered to "regulate" the exercise of these inalienable rights. Indeed, with the adoption of the Bill of Rights as part of the Constitution, governments are not only not empowered with such authority, they have all had that authority specifically removed from their grasp.
Remember, governments are not crafted and assembled to "allow" (and disallow) exercise of rights based on permission slips. They are instituted among men to protect and defend the blessings of Creator Endowed Liberties.
You make ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 12:20pm.
... excellent points. Has anyone ever tried to challenge state CCW laws on pure 2nd Amendment grounds?
Why hasn't the NRA or GOA (Gun Owners of America?) taken this position?
who ya gonna believe....
Submitted by wizardjr on Thu, 12/29/2011 - 1:15pm.
me or your lying eyes?