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Cain's Taliban 'Gaffe' Refuted by Cain Spokesman and Mere Minutes of Investigation

By Tom Blumer | November 19, 2011 | 11:12

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Oops, he supposedly did it again. Herman Cain, the GOP presidential candidate who has experience as a rocket scientist on his resume, made another allegedly "stupid" remark. Why, if you buy the press's accounts of his statements, it's hard to believe the guy can dress himself in the morning without hanging his pants over his head and putting his socks on his hands.

Here's what Cain said that has the ninnies at ThinkProgress aka ThinkRegress (whom I won't link) and the Politico all lathered up -- When Cain recounted how he wouldn't answer a reporter's non-specific question about Libya, he responded that he needed to know which aspect of President Obama's current "policy" (there is one?) he should address: "Do I agree with siding with the opposition? Do I agree with saying that Qadhafi should go? Do I agree that they now have a country where you’ve got Taliban and Al Qaeda that’s going to be part of the government? … Do I agree with not knowing the government was going to — which part was he asking me about? I was trying to get him to be specific and he wouldn’t be specific." Well, it turns out, in an update at Politico which ThinkRegress isn't posting, lest it disturb its meme of constant condescension, that a Cain spokesman identified an important Libyan official with Taliban connections lickety-split:

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UPDATE: In an email, Cain spokesman J.D. Gordon points to Libyan military commander Abdel Hakim Belhadj as a sometime Taliban ally now prominent in the Libyan transitional government. Gordon cites a Reuters article from Nov. 11, profiling Belhadj’s role in Libya and noting that “after fighting with the Afghan Taliban [he] was captured and sent to Libya in 2004, where he was jailed until last year.”

Gordon referred to Belhadj as a “former Taliban-linked fighter in Afghanistan now leading the militia in Tripoli.” That’s plainly not the same thing as having “Taliban … that’s going to be part of the government,” as Cain said, but it’s a fair clarification of Cain’s point.

In response to the bolded clause: Oh really? A guy who has been a sometime Taliban ally is "now prominent in the Libyan transitional government," but he's automatically not going to be part of the government when the government isn't transitional any more? Is the Taliban only going to be "part of the government" if its mullah, lead imam, or ayatollah sits on a throne?

There's more to this, which casts doubt on ThinkRegress's smug, everybody-knows assertion that "Of course, the Taliban exists in Afghanistan and Pakistan, not Libya," specifically this from the UK Telegraph in March, which I found in roughly three minutes of brutally exhaustive searching:

Hakim Alsady was named in the colonel's (Gaddafi's) rambling, paranoid speech on Thursday as one of the al-Qaeda men he blamed for the uprising. Mr Alsady told The Sunday Telegraph his days fighting alongside the Taliban in Afghanistan are long over and he has moderated his political views. Since he returned to Libya in 2002 under an amnesty, Mr Alsady has lived quietly as a teacher.

He said he was surprised, and amused, to be singled out by Colonel Gaddafi for causing the revolution. "I want democracy as everyone else does, not an Islamic state," he said. "You cannot believe this crazy man. We have to get rid of him."

We all know that Mr. Alsady has to be telling the truth about his "moderated" political views and noninvolvement with the Taliban. "Former" terrorists and terrorist sympathizers neeeeeever lie. (/sarc)

And though Gaddafi was goofy, it's simply amazing how the former Libyan dictator, out of the millions of people in the country, "somehow" fingered Alsady of all people as being involved in the uprising. Also note that Alsady would appear to have been or to still be associated with both Al Qaeda and the Taliban, so Cain's naming of both groups in the same sentence is clearly not out of line. Alsady is more than likely far from the only person in post-overthrow Libya with current and/or past connections to both groups.

As far as I'm concerned, perhaps Cain should have mentioned the Taliban after Al Qaeda (however, in order of historical appearance on the world scene, the Taliban, whose origins go back to the mid-1980s, came before Al Qaeda, which was founded "sometime between August 1988 and late 1989"). But the Herminator turns out to be demonstrating more knowledge of what's going on in Libya than the people who supposedly have immersed themselves in the news of the world for years, but who still think they have the presumptive right to ridicule what has turned out to be Cain's fundamentally correct characterization of the situation.

Cain's fundamental correctness is of course unimportant to the press, whose mission appears to be to make Cain look like a buffoon at any cost -- even the truth. This is of course consistent with a media pattern of discrediting the intelligence of Republican presidential candidates and presidents going back at least 60 years. The New York Times in the 1950s was telling readers Dwight Eisenhower, who "only" orchestrated D-Day and commanded the Allies to victory in World War II, wasn't really that bright either.

Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.

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Cain's answer is totally correct, ...

Submitted by Newsbubba on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:41pm.

... in 50 out of the 57 states.  Even the Marine Corpse believes it!

Comrade Bubba
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Agree with that quote

Submitted by texusmc on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 10:19am.

" Even the Marine Corpse believes it!"

and Mr Cain.

"You cannot exaggerate about the Marines. They are convinced to the point of arrogance that they are the most ferocious fighters on Earth. And the amusing thing about it is that they are." --Kevin Keaney, US Navy chaplain, Korea 1951
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ROFLMAO!

Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 12:49pm.

Herman Cain was no more a “rocket scientist” then you are someone who can read propaganda – or that there were “over 30,000 ‘scientists’ who signed a petition denouncing global warming”.

If Cain's an example of an American "rocket scientist" we're in bigger trouble than I thought. My God - The former ballistics analyst for the U.S. Navy in the early seventies had no idea China had nukes!

This guy, like every other candidate rotating through the circus carousel in the lead-up to the GOP primaries, is an embarrassment to the Republican Party , if not the entire nation.

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If you're going to troll...

Submitted by paragrouper on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:19pm.

Please do us the favor of posting opinions worth reading. We really do prefer a better class of troll here.

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It's for the health of the woman, and the world!

Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:25pm.

Cleve is pretty void of value. maybe he can persuade his Mom to get a retroactive abortion.

Americans keeping their own earnings is a Civil Right! Demand your Civil Rights!
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If only Cain were as smart as your Messiah Obama

Submitted by frank14 on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 2:26pm.

According to Joe Biden, Obama sought out the counsel of fellow brainy Democrat Jon Corzine to fix the economy. Now that's intelligence!

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Cain is ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 2:35pm.

... a rocket scientist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_CjX9-bGs8

Also shown here.

And I would be most pleased if you would shove a rocket up where the sun don't shine -- unless you're willing to eat humble pie and say "I was wrong, I am sorry."

Waiting ....

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He won't.

Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 4:59pm.

Working on an Internal Affairs forum to show the world the nastiness of the hating little bigot of a troll.

***Update****

Done.

Troll Alert - Clevenative - insulting bigoted rant troll.

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If your an example of an American "edumecated class"

Submitted by Injest on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 7:38pm.

If Cain's an example of an American "rocket scientist" we're in bigger trouble than I thought. My God - The former ballistics analyst for the U.S. Navy in the early seventies had no idea China had nukes!"
This guy, like every
former rocket assisted artillery,ballistics analyst for the U.S. Navy. What do you think the BM in ICBM's means?

Cain: "My China strategy is quite simply outgrow China. It gets back to economics. China has a $6 trillion economy and they're growing at approximately 10 percent. We have a $14 trillion economy -- much bigger -- but we're growing at an anemic 1.5, 1.6 percent. When we get our economy growing back at the rate of 5 or 6 percent that it has the ability to do, we will outgrow China.

"And secondly, we already have superiority in terms of our military capability, and I plan to get away from making cutting our defense a priority and make investing in our military capability a priority, going back to my statement: peace through strength and clarity. So yes, they're a military threat. They've indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability, and they want to develop more aircraft carriers like we have. So yes, we have to consider them a military threat."

Cain got our attention by saying that China is "trying to develop nuclear capability." We were under the impression that China has been a nuclear power for some time now. So we decided to check his statement.

Cain said that China "indicated that they're trying to develop nuclear capability." According to the U.S. State Department, China conducted its first test of a nuclear weapon in 1964. So Cain’s approximately 40 years behind the times. China is a long-standing nuclear power. We rate his statement Pants on Fire.

It is! The concern is a nuclear power Navy with its new subs and it acquire a Aircraft carrier

China is "trying to develop nuclear capability."
Herman Cain on Monday, October 31st, 2011 in an interview on "PBS Newshour"
According to the U.S. State Department, China conducted its first test of a nuclear weapon in 1964. So Cain’s approximately 40 years behind the times. China is a long-standing nuclear power.

it is! nuclear capability is more than just weapons. It includes the ability to deliver those weapons.
China has recently built and deployed it's first boomer subs. That give it blue water ability to send its subs anywhere in the world without having to worry about fuel.

Type 093 (09-III) Shang Class Nuclear-Powered Attack Submarine ...
Apr 4, 2009 – Type 093 (Shang Class) Nuclear-Powered Attack Submarine ... name: Shang class) is the PLA Navy's second-generation nuclear-powered attack ... Exactly how much help China has received from Rubin Design Bureau is

Secret Sanya - China's new nuclear naval base revealed
4/21/2008
China is constructing a major underground nuclear submarine base near Sanya, on Hainan Island off its southern coast, Jane's can confirm. Although Asian military sources have disclosed this fact to Jane's since 2002, high-resolution commercially available satellite imagery from DigitalGlobe allows independent verification of the previous suggestions.

If Cain's an example of an American "rocket scientist" we're in bigger trouble than I thought. My God

If your an example of an American "edumecated class" we're in bigger trouble than I thought. My God

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What a lying POS ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 9:23pm.

Here are the facts, and I suggest you "injest" them:

++++++++++++++++++

Cain's real quote: “(China is) trying to develop (its) nuclear capability …”

Look up the definitions of “develop,” which include several presupposing something is already in place (e.g., “to bring out the capabilities or possibilities of; bring to a more advanced or effective state").

China has warheads; they have issues with delivery and range, which they need to, uh, guess what, further “DEVELOP” (though Bill Clinton helped them a lot in that regard).

It's not surprising that Cain, a former Navy rocket scientist, would use that word to describe a situation where someone doesn't have all of their technology intact yet. It's also not surprising that a former restaurant guy, who had to develop territories for his stores and franchises, would also employ that word.

This is a classic after-the-fact press hit, and you’ve either been sucker-punched or you're deliberately dissembling. BTW, the person who interviewed Cain at the time understood exactly what he meant, which is why she didn’t question it.

The reason we're in trouble is that dingalings like you either are duped, or are participating in the attempt to dupe.

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We soooooooooo need a "Like" button at NB

Submitted by Dave. on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 7:45pm.

-Dave

Vote for the American in November

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Everyone knows what's going on here. Cain

Submitted by ray johnson on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 1:36pm.

will definitely make a few mistakes here and there, but it's not consequential. Who cares if the Taliban is there, there are radical Muslims and the muslims there are radical, too...so, what's the diff?

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Yeah!

Submitted by Clevenative on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:14pm.

Get out your pitchforks and torches! Everyone knows all Muslims are terrorists and Al Qaeda sympathizers!

Excuse me, my Cuckoo Clock is stuck - gotta go pull the chain again.

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The only one with a pitchfork is you, bigot.

Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 5:23pm.

Take a hike with your hatred for everything and everyone that simply disagrees with you.

You hate gays - you hate non-Christians (especially Muslims and Atheists) - you hate the poor - you hate unions and labor movements - you hate a woman's right to choose - you hate Mexicans, "foreigners", and all minorities - you hate a half dozen articles of the Constitution that you'd like to see amended or repealed - and most of all you hate liberals or anything that can be perceived as liberal (i.e. anything NOT far-right) - you hate science, especially science that challenges your religious beliefs or threatens your status quo - you hate knowledge and education (keep 'em stupid so they don't know any better) . And you're not ashamed to admit any of it. Most of your are quite proud of your "rights" to bigotry and hate.

This sums you up to a tee.

“It’s called a disagreement,” Elder says. “You perceive it as hatred, just like you perceive that the Republicans want people to die on gurneys, and they don’t care about illegal aliens, and all the other silly things that you’ve said. That’s hatred. That’s hatred, Chris.”

 

 Now take a hike like you were told.

Troll Alert - Clevenative - insulting bigoted rant troll.

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Maybe, if we just ignore Clev......................

Submitted by creekrat on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 6:06pm.

He'll just go away ? I'm thinkin he's just looking for attention....let's not give it to " it " !

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Rat, you haven't been keeping up, have you?

Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 6:18pm.

Sleepy has crapped all over the house, in just about every room.

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.
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I am unsure whether or not, in dealing with trolls---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 8:05pm.

that not replying to their BS makes them go away.

Probably depends on the individual troll.

As UpNorth pointed out, this particular collection of nasty has defecated in a fan and spread it on every thread he posts on.

Granted, it's only words; and while "high-spirited debate" may be a good thing;  I liken Clevenaive's insulting posts to someone spitting in my face.

It may be electronic - but it seems a bit too personal to ignore.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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I'm trying to keep up......

Submitted by creekrat on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:12pm.

Thinking he is just out for the attention, comments on just about every post, but in a drive by sort of way. Have other lib aquaintences like that, don't consider anything outside of the lefty mindset. Ignore anything to hold the position.

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creekrat---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 11/19/2011 - 10:29pm.

You nailed it.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Let's not forget an April LA

Submitted by talkradio55 on Sun, 11/20/2011 - 7:25pm.

Let's not forget an April LA Times story linking the Libyan rebels to the Taliban. Cain appears to know more about Libya than the media hacks who want to end his candidacy so they can prop up the failures of Obama.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/apr/17/world/la-fg-libya-qaeda-20110417

"There is no distinctly American criminal class - except Congress." - Mark Twain.
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Great ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Mon, 11/21/2011 - 9:50pm.

... catch.

Now how is it that the LAT didn't come to Cain's defense (/sarc)?

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Cain should not be prejudged regarding unproven allegations

Submitted by Jer on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 12:28am.

of inappropriate sexual behavior. But there is no amount of spin which can recast his Libyan response into anything other than an unmitigated disaster.

Jer

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Bull Friggin' Poo.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 1:08am.

I watched that video. Where was the disaster? The man said he would have done a better job at assessing the opposition to Qadafi. Oh dear sweet mana from heaven, we can't have that. Because, really, brass tacks here, no one at all was ever questioning who the opposition was. No. Nope. Never ever happened. Oh, wait, yeah, it did. A lot.

Newsbusters alone ---

To the Shores of Tripoli - Based on the direction of revolutions in other Arab states and their history -- not to mention the presence of the Muslim Brotherhood and other radical groups that could well hijack...

Ed Schultz on US Arming Qadhafi's Foes: 'Why Are We Concerned With Who Gets Arms?' --- Hello? Uncle Jer? Even Ed Schultz was aware of the argument.

Media Mash: 'Compassion' for Al Qaeda Edition --- Discussing the matter of arming the rebels in Libya, the "Today" host allowed that there may well be al Qaeda operatives among the anti-Qadhafi forces --- April 01, 2011 | 09:59

 

The question was going around early on. Who exactly were these people? Now, please, tell us how this interview was such a big disaster. And I swear on all the holy of holiest trolljegeren, that if you tell me he was fidgeting and hesitant and slow to respond when the man was conducting an interview with a NEWSPAPER, I will lock up that Cisco swill of yours for a month. Not once did he look at the camera, it was meant to be an interview that ended up in the paper, not broadcast on the Today show.

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You have your opinion, Vet...

Submitted by Jer on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 2:21am.

and I have mine. I defended both Sarah Palin and Christine O'Donnell against the "gotcha" questions sprung on them by the media. But I can't defend Herman in this case. It was the worst single response by a presidential candidate I have witnessed in my entire life.

Here is a smattering of reactions by conservatives to the incident.

U J

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Who is asking you to defend him?

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 3:04am.

All I am saying is you have a teensy weensy littlle problem with overreacting. The debt limit talks back during the summer had the Republicans being stunningly irresponsible.  Voters were outraged during the Clinton era government shutdown. And now we have the worst single response evah. Wait, not evah, just during your short stay on this rock.

Quick. What was President Obama's stance on Libya? Don't think. Just start typing. Me. I could not even, he wanted Qadafi gone, I am pretty sure, he came around to it, not initially, but after a few weeks, when it looked like the rebels were going to get crushed, then he went from words to NATO and stuff, but really, you can't just mobilize NATO overnight so he must have been planning it before the rebels had the back to the wall but he never said that so, oh, oh, oh, there was that whole leading from behind thing, what the hell was that? Huh? What? Stupid. Oh wait, what was President Obama's stance on Libya, that is the question. What was his stance? We coulda gone in an taken out Qadafi's army right after breakfast and been done in time for a nice lunch in Tripoli. But 6 months and he said he wanted to protect lives but 6 months is a lot of killing so.... WHAT THE HELL WAS OBAMA DOING IN LIBYA? I can't answer it.

Now on to Herman Cain ----

During the exchange with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's editorial board, the presidential hopeful seemed unclear about whether or not he supported Barack Obama's stance on the country. He said, "President Obama supported the uprising, correct? President Obama called for the removal of Gaddafi. Just wanted to make sure we're talking about the same thing before I say, 'Yes, I agreed. No, I didn't agree.' "

What the hell was the President's stance?

I had 8 hours of sleep. I could not put the man's stance into words. Hell, I barely understand it and I supported him 100% on taking that little rat turd out.

Now. I ask you. What was President Obama's stance on Libya?

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Overreactions? Heck, Vet..

Submitted by Jer on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 3:20am.

those were understatements.

Cast your critical eye around the threads to the endless accusations of 'Obama the Marxist tyrant and Muslim terrorist-lover who, after shredding the Constitution, intends to suspend it, declare martial law, etc, etc.'

Now that's some serious overreacting.

Jer

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Yes. But I don't take them seriously.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 3:47am.

Are you asking the same of you? Also, you did not explain President Obama's stance on Libya.

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His stance has been unsteady, Vet...

Submitted by Jer on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 3:52am.

When I announce my candidacy for POTUS, I'll elaborate.

Jer

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No. But Herman Cain is a candidate.

Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 4:11am.

And you were highly critical of his response going so far as to label it worst single response by a presidential candidate I have witnessed in my entire life.

It may not have been a gotcha question but still the question is indeed vague. When you say what is the President's stance, are you referring to his words and actions before and during the Libyan war? Or his stance on the new government now? Because I Just wanted to make sure we're talking about the same thing before I say, 'Yes, I agreed. No, I didn't agree.'

Wait. That sounds familiar.

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Token

Submitted by Prisondog1776 on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 3:49am.

hi :0

Motor City Madman said it best - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkEbqgbSqs8
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It was just a matter of time & I told you so.

Submitted by Gregory Benedict on Mon, 11/28/2011 - 11:59pm.

Tom,

Fact: Herman Cain married Gloria Cain (née Etchison), of Atlanta, soon after her graduation from Morris Brown College in 1968. His wife of 43 years is a homemaker, with experience as a teacher and a librarian. The couple have two children and three grandchildren.

Fact: Herman Cain serves as an associate minister Antioch Baptist Church North in Atlanta, which he joined at the age of 10.
The church is part of the National Baptist Convention, USA

Of course Herman Cain does not let his marriage or the fact that he is a Baptist minister get in the way of his sex life, now does he?

Please read:

Businesswoman, Ginger White, alleges 13-year affair with Herman Cain
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-11-28/cain/51448808/1

Now Tom, are you still on the "Cain Train" after all of the scandal?

Have you forgoten what they taught in Catechism class?
Ya remember the sixth commandment? From Exodus 20

Thou shalt not have other gods besides Me
Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord thy God in vain
Remember to keep holy the Lord’s day
Honor thy father and thy mother
Thou shalt not murder
Thou shalt not commit adultery
Thou shalt not steal
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s goods

Ya still think he is fit to be president ?

G

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I think you are not fit to squeeze your boogers.

Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 11/29/2011 - 7:40am.

1. You never told us so. This is your first post on this website EVAH.

2. Why is it that if Mr. Cain is a woman chasing sexual harassing SOB, he only did his sexual harassin' during one of his many many jobs (the Restaurant Association). And then only women out of Chicago. Where are all the womenz from his Burger King runnin' job or whatever it was. Where are all the women from his Godfather's gig? Why this one job, that lasted 3 years, and nothing else from his long life?

3. Yeah, Mr. Cain had an affair. Odd. A long time relationship, prolly lots and lots of evidence, yet none is offered. And it sure did take a long time for this woman to come out of the closet. Not like this was timed to get him back in the news after all the sexual harassin' is wearing off.

4. What does the minister gig and how long he was married and doin' all the preaching have to do with the double topping pizza now being offered by Domino's. Unless you want to climb on the Republican hypocrisy meme. Yeah, in order to be a hypocrite when it comes to morals, you have to have morals in the first place. And by the looks of your little hit and run piece here, YOU HAVE NO MORALS OR ETHICS  AND ARE THEREFOR NOT TO BE TRUSTED ON ANYTHING.

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Ann Coulter ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 12/01/2011 - 11:45pm.

... said it well.

Oh, and IMNSHO, so did I.

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Be careful of stones that you throw

Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 12/02/2011 - 12:09am.

The rocks you are throwing are not clean. You better read the part where Jesus said "not everyone that calls me Lord Lord" Some of those rocks just might bounce back and get you.

 

Jesus Loves You so much He died for you

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If this is true I will be very disappointed, however

Submitted by Radical1979 on Tue, 11/29/2011 - 12:15am.

that has yet to happen. Also, why was it just a matter of time? Do you have some insight into Cain no one else does?

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