AP Laughably Argues Regulations Aren't Job-Killers, Because Companies Almost Never Blame Them for Layoffs
Somebody needed to give Calvin Woodward and Christopher Rugaber at the Associated Press Five-Hour Energy drinks or some other boost before Tuesday night's GOP debate. Their brains must have totally turned off late in the afternoon without re-engaging before they filed their late-evening post-debate report.
Behold how the AP pair "proved" that excessive government regulation doesn't kill jobs (bolds are mine throughout this post):
Story Continues Below Ad ↓FACT CHECK: Regulations not a huge jobs killer
Is regulation strangling the American entrepreneur? Several Republican presidential candidates say so. The numbers don't.
The anti-regulatory fervor was in evidence Tuesday night in the latest GOP debate, but rhetorical flourishes, on that and other issues, masked far more complex realities.
... THE FACTS: Labor Department data show that only a tiny percentage of companies that experience large layoffs cite government regulation as the reason. Since Barack Obama took office, just two-tenths of 1 percent of layoffs have been due to government regulation, the data show.
Businesses frequently complain about regulation, but there is little evidence that it is any worse now than in the past or that it is costing significant numbers of jobs. Most economists believe there is a simpler explanation: Companies aren't hiring because there isn't enough consumer demand.
The conservative National Federation of Independent Business asks its small-business membership each month to name the single most important problem they're facing. Last month, the most common response was "poor sales," cited by 28 percent. Government regulation came in second, at 18 percent.
... High levels of economic uncertainty are another drag on business, but economists say that's less due to regulation than to fights over government spending and taxes.
Lord have mercy, guys:
- I'm not going to concede that "large layoffs" don't occur because of government regs. Companies in financial trouble usually have a myriad of problems which the regulatory burden exacerbates. Paperwork and busywork are fixed costs which can't be avoided. If fixed costs associated with regulation are increasing -- and they are (and the linked item used figures from before Obamacare and Dodd-Frank came along) -- then declines in sales volume are more likely to lead to layoff decisions. When the decisions are made, the layoffs are likely to be larger and more likely to be permanent.
- At a minimum, Woodward and Rugaber had no justification for their "argument over" conclusion based only on looking at large layoffs. Small layoffs of 50 or fewer workers don't have to be reported to Uncle Sam, yet they may affect a larger number of people than those which are reported. Small-layoff events are more likely to occur at smaller enterprises, which have been shown to be more negatively impacted by burdensome regulations.
- Far more fundamentally, laying a worker off is not the only way to "kill" a job. Not replacing someone who is fired, leaves, or retires (such as the possibly looming Obamacare) "kills" a job, and regulatory concerns are far from irrelevant in these decisions (finding, screening and training new people are quite heavily regulated processes). Using temps to avoid taking on a permanent burden and letting them go during even minor sales fluctuations "kills" reported full-time jobs. Deciding to make products offshore partially or completely because of regulatory requirements "kills" jobs which could have been created.
There happens to be a drop-dead obvious case of overzealous regulation killing jobs in the Gulf of Mexico which, after they wake up tomorrow have their morning coffee, even Woodward and Rugaber might recognize as valid. A report by Quest Offshore Resources, Inc. (HT Tina Korbe at Hot Air) provides evidence of post-oil spill job losses in the Gulf of Mexico:
While the offshore Gulf of Mexico oil and gas industry has seen some signs of recovery from the low state it was in during the drilling moratorium, activity levels are still well below the levels seen before the Macondo incident and well below the levels of the Quest baseline forecast before the incident. From a permitting, rig, and drilling activity perspective the industry is at best flat compared to where it was before the drilling moratorium, with the growth that had been previously expected both delayed and diminished.
... -As of the end of September, 21 floating rigs (those with subsea blow out preventers) are operating in the Gulf of Mexico, of which only 18 are currently drilling wells.
- Pre-moratorium 33 floating rigs were operating the Gulf of Mexico with 29 drilling wells at that time.
- This indicates a roughly 37 percent drop in both the number of rigs operating and drilling.
- Since the moratorium began, 11 rigs have left the Gulf of Mexico. Only one of these has returned, 3 rigs are currently sitting idle.
- 7 of these rigs have left to African countries including Egypt, Nigeria, Liberia, and The Republic of Congo. 3 of these rigs have left to South America, including Brazil and French Guiana. The remaining rig recently mobilized to Vietnam.
- This translates to approximately 60 wells lost based on the original contract terms of these rigs.
- The loss of these rigs amounts to lost spending of $6.3 billion and annual lost direct employment of 11,500 jobs over two years.
Memo to Woodward and Rugaber: The word "regulatory" appears once in Quest's report; so by your twisted definition, this "counts."
Rob Bluey at the Heritage Foundation explains what excessive regulation has done in this instance, not only to jobs but to U.S. Treasury collections:
A large part of the problem is the complexity of the new regulations and the lack of resources at the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management, Regulation and Enforcement (BOEMRE) to handle these new complexities. The solution, however, is not more bureaucrats but a more efficient system that promotes safety, assigns full liability to oil and gas activities, protects the taxpayer, and allows offshore gas and oil exploration to continue. The system in place now is preventing people in the Gulf from getting back to work.
Not only is the anti-drilling agenda costing jobs and economic hardship in the Gulf region, but it’s preventing billions of dollars from coming into the federal government’s coffers because of decreased royalties, lease sales, and rent fees. Yesterday, Senator David Vitter (R–LA) wrote to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar and BOEMRE director Michael Bromwich urging the need for more action in the Gulf:
Another memo to Woodward and Rugaber: "Preventing people in the Gulf from getting back to work" = "killing jobs." I hope your Wednesday morning coffee is good -- and really, really strong.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
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Fact
Submitted by Rovin on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 5:28am.
Up until 8 days ago, the Associated Press had only ONE story on their search engine under "Operation Fast and Furious"
They're up to six stories now, mostly defending Eric Holder and one blaming the Bush administration for being involved in a similar operation. And for some strange reason "this one" above has disappeared. Why would anyone who needed to be informed of a national disgrace try to find “factual information" from the AP?
Could we form a supposition that the AP also fails to report “real job killers”?
Not exactly...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:18am.
Go to the AP site "Archives" and type "Fast and Furious". I found about a dozen articles between the middle of July and the end of September. If there have been six more in October, that would make 18 since July.
Jer
Jer, I'm curious why you are
Submitted by LAM SON 719 on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:29am.
Jer,
I'm curious why you are defending a murderer,(Holder), I seem to remember you being against torture, how does your rationalizing work? Jsut asking?
LAM SON, I'm curious how you can posssibly confuse
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 5:24pm.
my correction of a fairly serious misstatement of fact regarding the alleged number of articles on a given topic with a defense of Holder or anyone for that matter, regardless of that person's potential criminality.
Jer
You shouldn't have included "Vin Diesel" in the search string.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 5:32pm.
.
Not exactly.
Submitted by Injest on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:46pm.
Not exactly...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:18am.
Go to the AP site "Archives" and type "Fast and Furious". I found about a dozen articles between the middle of July and the end of September. If there have been six more in October, that would make 18 since July.
Jer
Not exactly... Jer this may be news to you but Fast-and-Furio. The movie is not the same as holders gun running operation.
I would have thought Fast and Furious' brings the stars of the original movie back together for a new engine revving thriller.. It's the first time the original cast have teamed up since surprise hit 'The Fast and The Furious'
Story No: 601802 Source: Universal Pictures, AP Entertainment
Date: 4/7/2009 would be clear to a 5th grader that this is not about the Obama scandal
injest...
Submitted by Jer on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:21pm.
A fifth grader can handle basic math and can distinguish between articles about movies versus those about operations involving illegal gun trafficking and investigations related to the latter.
Evidently you can do neither.
But, keep practicing.
Jer
Curious
Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 6:10am.
I am curious about what it takes to start a business in terms of meeting government regulations. I'm sure you need many (expensive) hours of legal help to fill out paperwork, explain restrictions and 'guidelines', and so on. I would bet the task of meeting government regulations alone has caused many people looking to start a business to throw up their hands and declare 'it's not worth it'.
one of Stossel's favorite topics
Submitted by mom_rox on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:15am.
Here's a column by John Stossel talking about a woman who tried to have a hairbraiding business only to be shut down by the state (Utah) because she did not have a cosmetology license. The irony is that the cosmetology course to receive a license has no classes pertaining to the type of hairbraiding that she was doing. (She was also featured on his TV show.) Her case is still in court.
In a related topic, a friend of mine would constantly complain about Sarbanes-Oxley in the oil business.
I'll ask pockets64 for more details on his/her post below.
A northeast university -
Submitted by JohnK on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 2:13am.
- has recently done a study on the cost of regulations, and concluded that government regulations (Fed, state and local, combined) cost a company $10,000 per year, per employee.
Obama had a Guinness
Submitted by ThisnThat on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 7:03am.
Isn't this a John Kerry moment? When a president sits down and buys a round of beer for laid-off construction workers, what comes to mind? A pitcher of Coors; Budweiser? Sam Adams?
We're talking with construction workers, mind you.
And what does o'bama choose? Guinness, of course. Chosen as he was talking about jobs sent overseas, I'll bet.
I wonder what kind of cheese o'bama would put on his Coney --- Swiss Cheese, ala Kerry?
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Not quite
Submitted by jon_torlin on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:14am.
Remember when O'Bambi went to Ireland? If you can read lips and you saw what he asked when he was sipping a Guinness, he asked if it was non-alcoholic(that Muslim thing, don'tcha know).
My guess is that Guinness he was drinking in that picture is the same stuff, non-alcoholic.
Besides, no matter how hard he tries, he'll never be "one of the people." Although I'd like to know why those guys are sitting down with someone who has killed the economy and the job market, were they democrats themselves and just got suckered into doing this or did they just lose a bet?
-Jon
Jeez, Tom, there you go
Submitted by motherbelt on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 7:12am.
Jeez, Tom, there you go again, throwing a wet blanket of facts on their fire.
These guys have to be government bureaucrats: if it's not on paper, it doesn't exist.
I suppose if every business that declined not to hire new workers or replace retired, and guys who thought about starting a business didn't, filed a paper with the Labor Department citing the reason, they'd know about it.
They also completely ignore those small business owners who deliberately keep their work force under 50 in order to avoid cumbersome regulations.
Exactly right about the 50
Submitted by ThisnThat on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 7:38am.
Exactly right about the 50 employee rule. I joined a small company a number of years ago, and crossing that 50-employee threshold was a major issue. We finally crossed it, of course, but not without hiring additional accountants and lawyers, which really hit our profits.
__________
“Didn't win the Medal of Honor? Didn't even serve? Then lie about it. We'll support you." — 9th Circuit Court
Job killer in cheif
Submitted by Mr_Priest on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 7:45am.
Since 2008, businesses have 75 new major regulations with another 7 on the way, expected to cost businesses up to $1 trillion and 7.3 million jobs.
http://www.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2011/07/19/new-f...
"The trouble with quotes on the internet is you never know if they are genuine" —Abraham Lincoln
I closed down my company
Submitted by pockets64 on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:36am.
I put myself and my two employees out on the job market as Obama was coming into office. He was promising new rules and regulations that terrified me. I barely had enough time to run my company as it was. I could not afford to hire another person just to take care of federal paperwork.
But then I do recall Hillary, during the Hillarycare debate, saying "I cannot help it if some companies are undercapitalized."
pockets, just curious
Submitted by mom_rox on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 10:16am.
What type of business?
When you lose the Daily Beast...
Submitted by bkeyser on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 9:42am.
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-loses-major-battle-jobs-bill-splits-senate-0...
My career field of 25+ years was destroyed by government regs
Submitted by Dave. on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:20am.
The Ass. Press doesn't know what it is talking about.
Or else they are lying through their keyboards.
-Dave
Vote for the American in November
Dave,
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:26am.
12 year career for me.
Is it a lie if they just type what they are told?
You sure it was government regs?
Submitted by mandrake on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 11:37am.
It could have been this whole shipping jobs overseas thing. That's what happened to me. One thing I like to for fun is phone up the help line of my former employer and complain about a certain product. I get some guy from India who doesn't realize that I'm the guy who wrote the original code..it's great fun.
But I digress..could be the Global market instead of Government regs.
Mandrake
Submitted by Blonde on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:20pm.
Not in Dave's case. Trust me.
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
Overseas??
Submitted by Uruk Hai on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 12:22pm.
I worked for American Express who's IT Department is 98% Indian. 98%!!! Amex doesn't even post jobs locally; they just bring someone else over from India. We used to joke it should be renamed "Indian Express". Though it's not really very funny.......
Mandrake
Submitted by Agnostic on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 1:12pm.
what are the leading reasons companies decide to ship jobs overseas?
Labor cost is first - Regulations is second.
What is the reasons labor cost in America are higher? Among the reasons are:
higher standard of living (includes benefit packages)
government regulations and taxes
union driven expenses
Please pick which of these three you are willing to give up to bring jobs back from overseas. Many companies would rather do business in the US so we don't have to be the most business friendly just competitive and we are not even close. It wasn't that long ago that it was cheaper to arrange to import cheap labor than moving companies overseas but that has changed for many industries.
Which one is it?
Submitted by CobraMan on Wed, 10/12/2011 - 1:43pm.
First the AP claimes that business "almost never" cite regulations as a part of the reason that layoff occur, then they show government data which tells us that business "frequently" cite regulations as part of the reason layoffs occur, so which one is it?
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. The US Constitution
Unless you're a fetus. The US Supreme Court
Or Anwar al-Awlaki.
Let's not forget...
Submitted by Lee Fox on Thu, 10/13/2011 - 12:41pm.
The AP never mentions the jobs never created at all because the regulations set up hurdles too high for start ups to get over.
Hmm, fewer regulations written under Obama
Submitted by coin of the realm on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 8:34pm.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-25/obama-wrote-5-fewer-rules-than-...
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws. Mayer Amschel Rothschild
So, Bloomberg cherry-picks their numbers?
Submitted by UpNorth on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 8:51pm.
Who'd have thought it? "That total put the average annual cost of regulations under Obama at about $7 billion to $11 billion, compared with the $6.9 billion average from 1981 through 2008 in current dollars, according to the OMB data".
One problem with that, the so-called $7 Billion to $11 Billion average is for 3 years, give or take, for your leader, but then they talk about the average cost for 27 years prior to your leader. And, I'd bet that the "average" more closely approaches $11 Billion than the lower figure.
True, maybe, but not near the single year records of..
Submitted by coin of the realm on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:01pm.
'The record came in 1992 under George H.W. Bush when that total hit $20.9 billion in current dollars. In the last year of Ronald Reagan’s term it was $16 billion in today’s dollars.'
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws. Mayer Amschel Rothschild
The sock puppet coin of the realm LIES again.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:20am.
From the troll's article -
The average annual cost to businesses under Obama is higher than under his predecessors, the Bloomberg review shows. --- Forgot to mention that troll?
...have accused Obama of stifling job creation by imposing rules on businesses... - Most of the new rules have not taken effect yet, the really oppresive ones, Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Forgot to mention that too troll?
...Republicans have vowed to rein in proposed regulations on everything from the environment to health care to banking. - Like the recent stifling rules the EPA tried to impose just last month. Forgot to mention that too troll?
...significant federal rules, defined as those costing more than $100 million, has gone up under Obama... - Rules that cost insane amounts of money, Obama beats all. Forgot to mention that too troll?
The record came in 1992 under George H.W. Bush when that total hit $20.9 billion in current dollars. In the last year of Ronald Reagan’s term it was $16 billion in today’s dollars. - Those were one year peaks that IMMEDIATELY FELL to less that half and less than a third respectively the VERY NEXT YEAR. Forgot to mention that too troll?
...more rules are on the way. --- Forgot that too troll?
...many rules, especially the most expensive from the Environmental Protection Agency, will impose costs much greater than estimated. - This what you wanted to argue troll?
Republicans said the Bloomberg analysis doesn’t count new regulations in the pipeline... - Seems to be a theme here troll. This what you wanted to show us?
The administration has 219 major rules under consideration... --- Forgot that as well troll?
It’s about how businesses perceive the regulatory environment. ... Business owners are expressing those fears. - Damn troll, this article really is not helping your cause.
Obama himself quashed a proposal from the Environmental Protection Agency to tighten smog rules, the most expensive pending federal regulation with an expected cost to the economy of $10 billion a year. - ONE regulation alone, $10 Billion. Forgot that one huh troll?
I said go away troll. You are too stupid in interact with adults.
What is your problem?
Submitted by coin of the realm on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:32am.
I posted, referred to and quoted from a Bloomberg article on the matter. If you consider anything in it to be untrue then point it out as something Bloomberg failed to mention or lied about. Talk about the issue and cut out the adolescent name calling.
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws. Mayer Amschel Rothschild
Busting your constant LIES is hardly a problem troll.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:55am.
Another lie from the little boy troll: ...point it out as something Bloomberg failed to mention or lied about.
Another red herring from the little boy troll. I SAID YOU LIED. Not Bloomberg troll. READ MY POST AGAIN.
Or go away as you have been told. You are annoying the adults in the room.
I think..
Submitted by kata on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:57am.
he's pointing out that yet again, you have neglected to read your own article. Let me suggest some reading material since you've been so eager to suggest we read your leftist publications. It's called "The 10 Thousand Commandments".
Nonsense,
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:05pm.
Obama has NOT used the legislative branch of the Gov to make a ton of his Regulations, he has used the EPA and his very own (rather poor) judgment. Fact is, between the Financial Reform bill and the Obama care bill, Obama has employed the potential for more regulation then the entire Federal Registry. We are so over law-ed, they can now put you away for raising your kids!
What?
Submitted by coin of the realm on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:12pm.
The article compares the approved new regulations and costs of the presidents. It doesn't talk about potential regulation and associated costs/bnfits. Just the facts of what has been signed.
BTW, presidents have all used 'signing' privileges to apply their interpretations on laws and regulatory agencies. I think that this article is talking about the whole package of new things. Also, the two things you mention as bill's are now laws and where enacted by the legislative branch and signed into law by the president.
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws. Mayer Amschel Rothschild
What?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:28am.
LIE from the retread troll coin of the realm: It doesn't talk about potential regulation... --- OH YES IT DOES. A FRIGGIN' LOT. READ YOUR ARTICLE AGAIN TROLL. SEE MY POST ABOVE YOU SNOT NOSED LIAR.
Go away. You cannot interact with adults properly.
You are gonna burst an artery
Submitted by coin of the realm on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:50am.
I was replying to the post that, in reply to mine, stated that the health care law and new financial regulations opened the door for more potential regulations.
Do you think that my cause is the opposite of yours? Or this site's? My cause is not to lie, omit, manipulate and do whatever necessary in support of some ideal or politician. My cause, if you can call it that, is to debate issues with facts so that I can inform and become informed.
What is your cause?
Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes her laws. Mayer Amschel Rothschild
Oh look boys and girls. Another mind reading troll.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 10/29/2011 - 1:02am.
Yes little boy, I is angry. Hear me roar. You a mind reader now troll? You got the lock on my emotional state? Please, do give us more hints of your magical mystical ESP powers.
And more examples of your gift of English too. I was replying to that reply of a reply to a reply on.... And we care how again troll?
How about ending regulation without representation?
Submitted by kata on Fri, 10/28/2011 - 9:19pm.
because that's our biggest problem, wouldn't you agree?