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IBD Calls Out 'Media Malpractice' in Mississippi Flooding Coverage

By Tom Blumer | May 12, 2011 | 00:06

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Just barely a year after it derided the establishment media's obsession over oil-affected birds in the Gulf of Mexico while virtually ignoring the loss human life in awful floods in Tennessee (noted at the time at NewsBusters; at BizzyBlog), Investors Business Daily's editorialists are calling out the press for oversaturating us with Obama-OBL victory lap coverage at the expense of informing the nation about the severity of this year's horrible Mississippi River flooding.

IBD makes great points in the following excerpts (bolds are mine):

In a record year for natural disasters, the Mississippi's worst flooding since 1927 may be the year's most consequential. It ought to lead the news. But the Beltway media-political complex is more interested in press games.

 

... to be fair, it's not because the local press in affected areas haven't done decent reporting.

 

The problem lies in Washington. The White House has made no declarations, showed no leadership, and done all it can to keep the issue off the front page.

 

It has quietly declared disaster areas in parts of Louisiana, Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky, but not even issued a statement of support for the 4,000 families in this storied region of American literary and musical traditions who have lost their homes.

 

Nor, apparently, did Obama even look out his Air Force One window to see the devastation below as he flew to Texas to raise campaign funds.

 

Instead, we see the old Washington power game played out between White House operatives and the press: the steady drip, drip, drip of little details about the SEAL raid on Osama bin Laden.

 

This keeps that Obama-centered story on the front page — and the biggest flooding in a century, off.

 

... The flooding provides the White House with no political advantage. If anything, it shows that despite $787 billion in federal stimulus, the U.S. flood control system remains archaic. During Hurricane Katrina, that was a big issue. During this Mississippi crisis, it's not.

 

... a flood of this magnitude ought to be an occasion for White House leadership, because most certainly the last one was: "The 1927 event flooded almost 1% of the entire United States and absolutely riveted the nation's attention, probably even more so than (Hurricane) Katrina," said John M. Barry, author of "Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood And How It Changed America" in an interview with NPR.

 

For some reason, this one doesn't.

Other portions of the IBD editorial point to potentially serious economic impacts resulting from the floods, including threats to two oil refineries, just in time for summer driving season. That's when the press will take notice of the disaster -- when they're looking for ready-made reasons why the price of gas has reached record levels, and why the economy continues to seriously underperform both current expectations and the Reagan post-recession boom years.

I should also note that Democratic Party icon Franklin Delano Roosevelt took the time in 1937 to fly over the devastated Ohio River valley during its unprecedented flooding, in an era when such excursions were much more logistically difficult. According to the liner notes for "The Thousand Year Flood," he also "dispatched thousands of relief workers." Yesterday, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters, when asked if there were "any plans for the President to take a closer look at the impact of the flooding," that he didn't "have any scheduling updates."

Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.

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The whole administration

Submitted by Deskpilot on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 12:16am.

should FIGURATIVELY drown in this crisis.
It's a crisis that they are actually going to let go to waste because there is nothing that Obama is capable of doing. (PERIOD).

All Along the Mississippi River, towns, and cities are doing their level best. They have learned not to count on this administration for anything, because the calls would likely be delayed for a dance or poetry reading, because after all, their Red States, and as such, Obama has no use for them.

If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you can read it in English, You're welcome - Deskpilot, AM(H)1 (AW), USN (Ret)
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Thank you Mr Blumer*

Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 1:10am.

The Corp of Engineers has created a map of expected flooding. It is an estimate from May 6th that has already been found to be  too conservative. after they opened the Bonnet Carre spillway.

They will open the Morganza spillway tomorrow. This will result in 1.6 million cubic feet of water per second will begin gushing toward the Atchafalaya Basin. This is to avert major flooding to  the larger cities of Baton Rouge and New Orleans. This will however ceate a devastating flood water through central La over 100 miles to the gulf. This will devaste farm lands, small rural communities, and commerical fishing. It was also flood several gas refineries, large industries, river traffic, and  the closure of major highways.

All of the flood waters in the upper Mississippi delta will of course flow downstream. La waterways, major rivers and tributaries are already beginning to  overflow. They are  currently estimating about 50,000 homes and businesses will flood as well as thousands of acres of farmland.

Flooding has already begun to pressure the levee systems and some have already been breached because of the massive pressure from the high level of water flow. This rising water is estimated to continue for at least 30 days. To add to our risk, heavy rains are expected upriver and in central La beginning tomorrow. Just wanted to add for Maddow's benefit, Angola State Prison is in the flood zone. They are being evacuated. Many of the prisoners have volunteered to fill sandbags and are working hard in the heat.

To add to our tension and anxiety, I sold my damn boat several years ago.

Thank you Mr Blumer for posting this story.

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Come on, it's red-state flyover-country.

Submitted by JohnMcGrew on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:01am.

To the east-coast media establishment, the people there just don't matter.

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Lib Media

Submitted by grammajane on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 12:50am.

During Katrina the big 3 "news" outfts couldn't get to bashing Bush fast enough. It was their lead story for weeks and the big 3 williams, couric and sawyer flew down and spent 99% of their news making Bush and his administation responsible for everything that occurred and everything that went wrong. Today all that is reported is "the one" is raking in millions and he is the worlds hero for making a decision to kill OBL. They are obsessed with him winning a second term and everything else going on is of no importance. So very pathetic and a disgrace to journalism.

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....if there was any

Submitted by Chris Norman on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 10:05am.

....if there was any journalism left to disgrace...

Let's make the 2012 campaign: "The War on Error"
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But they'll still find a way that it's still Bush's fault!

Submitted by russedav on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 11:33am.

But they'll still find a way that it's still Bush's fault! Amazing how after being out of office for two years that even for the obamanation's media who res Bush is still more responsible than the clown that's pretending to be in office if he could ever tear himself away from vacations and re-election campaigning.

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Obama is only concerned about raising money for his campaign

Submitted by Rousse on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 12:51am.

Not to make light of the Mississippi flooding, but Obama didn't look out of the window while he was in Texas either. Currently there are nine major wildfires that span 470,190 acres. And 204 of the 254 Texas counties are reporting burn bans. Too bad we can't funnel some of the Mississippi to Texas.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry asked for a declaration of disaster from Obama (so Texas can get federal funding to help fight the fires), but it was turned down.

The only thing Obama is concerned about is raising money for his next campaign.

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Obama kept his word, for once

Submitted by DontFeedTheTrolls on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 7:18am.

Well Obama did say he would 'punish his enemies'.

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he needs $1,000,000,000

Submitted by ohio granny on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:22am.

Remember even if he does not have a primary challenger, he needs 1 billion dollars for his re-election. Hopefully he will be the first $1,000,000,000. loser.

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FDR & Helicopter

Submitted by llpoh on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 5:18am.

Production grade helicopters were out in 1942, with prototypes being ready in 1936. Did you actually research your comment that FDR flew in a helicopter to survey the ohio river flooding in 1937 --- in a helicopter? Eisenhower in 1957 is listed as the first president to fly in a helicopter.

Please don't mix hyperbole with factual reporting and analysis - that's what the emotes do. I expect better from this site.

"What are the facts...and to how many decimal places" - Robert A Heinlein

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I will research further ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:01am.

It's known that FDR surveyed the area. I thought for sure it was a helicopter. The flood has been a legendary local subject for as long as I can remember.

Thx for the comment.

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While you're at it, Tom...

Submitted by Jer on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:10am.

Biden wants to know if there was a TV camera on board.

Jer

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Tell him no, but ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:25am.

... that's only because the satellites were down (/deadpan).

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I've amended the passage ...

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:18am.

... to reflect what I know, and to add something else I found along the way. The Cincinnati Enquirer has a book on the flood which I can't put my hands on which I know mentions FDR's flyover. My recall is that it was seen as a morale boost in an extremely difficult and very dangerous time.

Thx again.

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Why can't the MSM cover 5 or more stories at a time?

Submitted by Red Jeep on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 7:30am.

Take what happened recently for example. The MSM was obsessed with the Royal Wedding, on and on to the exclusion of all else. Then the Sunday following the wedding Osama is killed. Broom the Royal Wedding obsess on that murder to the exclusion of all else, and if facts are not known kill time with endless hours of speculation.

Let's say out of every news hour there are 20 minutes of commercials. With the 40 minutes remaining, 8 different stories could be given 5 minutes each to report on depth. Why not try that?

Yesterday my TV's were not used. Maybe I should sell them. Can't get accurate news, weather reports, or decent entertainment from TV.

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good call!!

Submitted by OldJoe on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 8:49am.

Sell the TVs.

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Yesterday my TV's were not used

Submitted by russedav on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 11:47am.

Now you're talking. That's why they're called idiot/devil's boxes, because they're only appropriate for the devil or his useful idiots. I tossed my TV in 1975 and have rarely regretted it, not at all since the internet, and I'm dismayed at how "conservatives" are inclined to be nearly as bad as "liberals" (whatever those monikers mean) in their gullibility in buying whatever snake oil is sold there whereas I rather look for a flashlight if they tell me the sun is shining. I've not researched the matter nor do I care much about it but I've heard there's been study done showing correlation between one's (lack of) intelligence and the amount of tv watched. Whatever the study I've seen it in the lives of the people with whom I associate and if I know someone watches considerable tv I make it a point to avoid discussing the real world with them as ignorant as they usually are concerning it. Idiot/devil's box indeed, like it was in "Farenheit 451" (I think "1984" too, but I've not actually read it so I'm unsure about the latter).

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Ok, I know was supposed to

Submitted by buttercup815 on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 12:00pm.

Ok, I know was supposed to shutup..but this is too far fetched for me to resist. You really expect anyone to believe you tossed out your TV in 1975? You've lived alone since then? No family or kids? Cause I know kids might have a problem with no TV thing.
Secondly, what is the difference between todays internet and TV anyway? I use my laptop to watch TV and movies more than I watch TV anyway.

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We keep calling them the "media"

Submitted by gwalt on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 7:45am.

It is too general and thus far criticism has not worked. At all IMO. American Crossroads or Tea Party should go after the anchors and reporters. Name names, shame them. As long as we keep calling out the "media" they are nameless and faceless. They are at war with us, we should figh back using their Alinsky tactics.

 "A lot of briefing for a 2 hr. special with Dan Rather. Saw the show & wonder why we bothered".             Ronald Reagan                                                           

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Bush caught hell for flying

Submitted by motherbelt on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 7:57am.

Bush caught hell for flying over New Orleans instead of landing, and they don't care that Obama didn't even look when  he was flying over flooded areas??

Well, you have to understand, the important thing is getting Obama re-elected. If that means ignoring important stories, so be it.  They have a higher calling.

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News malpractice - Obama won't even LOOK!

Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:38am.

He really needs to catch it on this one. They need to release a pool photo of him as they flew over. He would be looking at a laptop vs. looking out the window. Have a pic next to it w/Bush actually looking out showing concern. I remember that pic of him looking out.

-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.

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"higher calling" indeed! on crack!

Submitted by russedav on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 11:48am.

"higher calling" indeed! on crack!

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Obama had the levees blown up!

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:19am.

Obama blew up the levees!

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"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama

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Actually, Kingfish...

Submitted by Jer on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:41am.

The ever-reliable White House "Insider" reports that Obama lacked the cajones to make the call himself, and once again Panetta was forced to step in and issue the blowup order.

Jer

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Then how do you account for this picture?

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 10:05am.

Which was taken just moments before the levee was blown up?

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"You can’t go take a trip to Las Vegas...on the taxpayer’s dime." Barack Obama

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Never let a crisis go to waste.

Submitted by Jer on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 11:55am.

Jer

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News Malpractice - Higher gas prices good too

Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:34am.

This AM just before 7AM CST on NPR they mentioned oil executives being hauled up to testify on gas prices. At the end of the story the reporter states something like it would be good for gas prices to lower SOME but not so much that we REVERT back to our old driving habits and use more gas. So NPR is saying high gas prices are good because we use less. WELL our whole economy is based on energy and a large part of that is indeed oil. So it is crazy to NOT want the lowest possible price if you want the best possible economy! How is our economy doing NPR?

Then think about this: People are barley making it by due to gas prices. So if the price goes lower, they can perhaps go on a vacation or buy something other than gasoline. Now wouldn't that just be a detriment to society!

-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.

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Lower Gas prices

Submitted by mandrake on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:43am.

Well if gas prices go down then I'll have more money for beer..that wouldn't be a detriment to society .

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Beer = whole grain food Think

Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 11:20am.

Beer = whole grain food

Think of all the jobs you are providing and all the jobs those people provide for. And the taxes paid as the money flows through each transaction! Where can I get in on that deal? And how about getting federal government down to 10% of GNP vs. 25%. I don't see 20-22% as much of a goal.

-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.

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which is why we need to defund npr/pbws

Submitted by russedav on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 11:52am.

Since they like the high gas prices, let them have them and take their money to pay for our gas.

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NPR needs to pool all of its

Submitted by MaximusBraveheart on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 1:04pm.

NPR needs to pool all of its salary money and divide by the number of all employees including volunteers. Then pay them equally no matter how many hours they worked. See how that works out for a few years. That will shut up these multi-hundred-thousand dollar wind bag "reporters."

-- Maximusbraveheart -- Is TRUTH knowable? Moral Relativism is the abandonment of Truth. Truth is knowable. Truth conforms to Reality. Reality is observable by evidence & witness in this day & from history. Relativism is Sesame Street play land.

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"The White House has...showed

Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 11:16am.

"The White House has...showed no leadership"

No surprise there.

There's a portion of Randy Newman's song "Louisiana 1927" that reminds me of Obama:

"President Coolidge came down in a railroad train
With a little fat man with a note-pad in his hand
The President say, 'Little fat man isn't it a shame
What
the river has done to this poor crackers land.'"

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the truth will set you free

Submitted by russedav on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 12:00pm.

This is why I'm an independent, not a "conservative." In the days of the great "Silent Cal" it was understood that it was the people and not the government that was the backbone of the nation. Now even the once great Texas shows that "conservatives" are just fair weather fowl that show their true yellow stripes when the going gets tough, at which point they're as bad as "liberals" in wallowing up to the feed trough. Our Founders simply had no means to provide for such disasters with "government help" and so they'd have never conceived of such largesse that we simply can't afford, as Coolidge understood, no matter the very real devastation that has destroyed so much for so many. Even "conservatives" conveniently forget that whatever the government "gives" comes from China now, so spare me from inane comments that I'm cruel and not compassionate for thinking that it will help people to pay for their relief with Chinese money. Only God can help us now and "conservatives" hereby prove their as without cajones as the obamanation expecting our chinese-owned so-called "goverment" to have anything with which to help. What fools!

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Which media outlets aren't

Submitted by mamabear on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 4:30pm.

Which media outlets aren't covering the flooding? I read multiple articles about the situation on cnn.com every morning, hear about it on NPR on my way to wherever I'm going, and as an addict of weather.com I hear every developing detail in real time!

I suppose I can understand criticizing the administration for not saying more, but the media seems to be all over this. Even Jon Stewart was making fun the other day of how many major outlets have silly people wading in floodwater to help us understand how high it is.

When a man makes up his mind without evidence, no evidence disproving his opinion will change his mind- Robert Heinlein
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It's a matter of priorities

Submitted by Tom Blumer on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 4:46pm.

Try this:

- Google News, "Mississippi flooding" (not in quotes; first collection) -- 1,753 items

- Google News, "Obama Visits Texas" (same) -- 2,916 items

Obama has been in Texas several times in the past 4 years.

The Mississippi hasn't flooded like this since 1927.

IBD is correct when it asserts that "the Beltway media-political complex is more interested in press games."

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It's hilarious mamabear*

Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 5:15pm.

I'm sure to those who live in the northeast find news people standing in water to talk about the flooding absolutely hilarious. But here in south La, naaah, not so funny.

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Oh there's no need to be a

Submitted by mamabear on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 7:55pm.

Oh there's no need to be a jerk. I don't think the flooding is funny. No one else does either. Many people do, however, think it is silly of weathermen and women to go to disaster areas and film themselves in the middle of them, like doing that makes them brave, or in some way increases the information they are providing. If they want to show people affected by flooding, they should show the actual people that live there, not some anchor man with foundation on and a mic on his waders who flew in from New York to take a picture of himself.

I'm surprised you don't agree with me.

When a man makes up his mind without evidence, no evidence disproving his opinion will change his mind- Robert Heinlein
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Not today mamabear*

Submitted by cajun2 on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 8:27pm.

You have provided me with fodder for jokes many times and I thank you. But for the next 30 days or so, I will have no sense of humor whatsoever unless you outdo yourself.

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Idiot lefty

Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 8:46pm.

Oh there's no need to be a jerk.   Advice I sincerely wish you would take.

Another example of arrogance, I'm surprised you don't agree with me. 
Although you hold yourself in high regard, most of us here do not.

Proud member of the 53%!
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If I simply expected people

Submitted by mamabear on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 10:41pm.

If I simply expected people to agree with me because I'm awesome, then I would always expect people to agree with me, and that would be silly. I usually expect people to disagree with me, but in this case, I was surprised.

You just can't pass up an opportunity to be insulting, can you?

When a man makes up his mind without evidence, no evidence disproving his opinion will change his mind- Robert Heinlein
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idiot lefty

Submitted by Radical1979 on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 10:50pm.

What do you think calling cajun a jerk was? Complimentary?

And there was time you thought idiot lefty was cute, remember?

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I've never claimed that I

Submitted by mamabear on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 11:23pm.

I've never claimed that I don't insult people here. What I will claim is that I have never come to a story or thread simply to insult someone without contributing in some way to the substantive discussion. That is a claim you can't make... I mean, you could make it, I guess, it would just be a lie.

You might notice I'm much more tolerant of you those times when you ARE contributing to the discussion in some way while insulting me. Idiot lefty doesn't bother me if you say it while we are actually talking about something. It bothers me when it is all you have to say, which is far, far more often.

When a man makes up his mind without evidence, no evidence disproving his opinion will change his mind- Robert Heinlein
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So how does calling cajun a

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/13/2011 - 10:10am.

So how does calling cajun a jerk contribute to a discussion?

Your tolerance of me is of no interest to me.

Your repetition of the same old arguments does not strike me as being a contribution.

Proud member of the 53%!
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Thank you Ms Rad*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 05/13/2011 - 11:01am.

Mamabear took offense at my attempt at sarcasm. Typically, she missed the main focus of the story and concentrated on minutiae. How ironic since that is exactly what the article was about..

Newscasters often put on dog and pony shows. NB covers the media clowns every day. If my remarks are a bit caustic for the next few weeks, let me apologize today. ( that does not include mamabear).  We are faced with the worst natural disaster since 1927. People are frightened, desperate to save their homes and businesses which will be an on going fight for at least another 30 days. So pardon me if I include myself in the population with high anxiety.

...he who seeks a faultless friend remains friendless...proverbs

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I didn't miss the main focus

Submitted by mamabear on Fri, 05/13/2011 - 1:50pm.

I didn't miss the main focus of the story. The title calls out "media malpractice," not administration negligence. IBD blames the administration for setting the tone, but the story is about the lack of media coverage. That's exactly what I addressed.

When a man makes up his mind without evidence, no evidence disproving his opinion will change his mind- Robert Heinlein
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"So how does calling cajun a

Submitted by mamabear on Fri, 05/13/2011 - 1:48pm.

"So how does calling cajun a jerk contribute to a discussion?"

How does one explain things more slowly over the internet... I object to people who ONLY insult without contributing more. I had something to say about this subject, and it wasn't calling cajun a jerk. Cajun implied that I was laughing at people who are suffering right now. I took offense to that. So in addition to saying something about the subject at hand, I ALSO called cajun a jerk. Calling her a jerk was not my contribution to the discussion. Is this still difficult for you to understand?

When a man makes up his mind without evidence, no evidence disproving his opinion will change his mind- Robert Heinlein
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Still, your lack of

Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 05/13/2011 - 2:08pm.

Still, your lack of self-control is quite revealing.

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Idiof lefty

Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 05/13/2011 - 6:09pm.

I understand that you rationalize your own bad behavior while chastising others for theirs.

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Bingo---

Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 05/13/2011 - 9:26pm.

Typical of liberals, celebrities, and politicians.

Hypocrites all.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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Wrong again mamabear*

Submitted by cajun2 on Fri, 05/13/2011 - 7:43pm.

Once again I see that I should have written a more lengthy post which I dislike. What you missed in my original post was my attempt at self deprecating humor not insulting you. See, south La has a very unique terrain. Someone, like a newscaster, not familiar with La, standing in or near high water is not really funny.

Here is why. A reminder as to why it is very dangerous time for us.

And this is another reason not to be near high water in an area we call The Atchafalaya Basin.

These videos will probably please the Blonde Gator but to the rest of us a bit scary. I offer this post to explain my point of view about the media clowns to the many posters at NB who may be wondering why mamabear thinks cajun was a jerk.

If you took that as an insult it is generally your usual interpretation of someone's meaning assuming once again you were being insulted as you admit you tend to do as well.. Whether you took my post as the intended sarcasm or an insult is up to you.

This is the Atchafalaya Basin without the flooding.

You're welcome.

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There's a reason people on

Submitted by mamabear on Fri, 05/13/2011 - 11:05pm.

There's a reason people on the internet often use "/sarc" or something similar, because sarcasm doesn't read well in written form. Sorry if I misinterpreted sarcasm as an insult. It came at the same time as many posts which ARE intending to insult me, so maybe I had my Radical1979-colored glasses on when I read your post. Sorry about that.

When a man makes up his mind without evidence, no evidence disproving his opinion will change his mind- Robert Heinlein
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Idiotlefty

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 05/14/2011 - 10:45am.

You are indeed a true elitist liberal. Your insult of Cajun was partly her fault for not using "/sarc" but also my fault.

Once again while pretending to take responsibility for your behavior, you blame others.

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Not just a liberal Ms Rad*

Submitted by cajun2 on Sat, 05/14/2011 - 2:48pm.

Her posts are starting to be insulting, name calling, demeaning, and inciteful. Sure does sound more like a troll than just an idiot lefty.

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Hey, when in Rome...

Submitted by mamabear on Sat, 05/14/2011 - 5:50pm.

Hey, when in Rome...

When a man makes up his mind without evidence, no evidence disproving his opinion will change his mind- Robert Heinlein
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When in Rome, grislybear---

Submitted by matthewdean on Sat, 05/14/2011 - 6:48pm.

show some respect for Italians.

When on a conservative site, show some awareness that your liberal BS is going to result in flak coming your way.

Then, of course, like a true liberal, refuse to take any blame for the consequences and make it as though you are merely being retaliatory because conservatives started it.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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I do show respect. You've

Submitted by mamabear on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 8:51am.

I do show respect. You've even commented on it yourself, that I have always engaged with you respectfully despite a distinctly different tone coming in my direction. I probably throw back one insult for every twenty I receive. I'm fine with that. If I wanted easy conversations I'd go hang out with liberals.

I apologized to cajun because I misunderstood her, and thus she didn't deserve the insult. Rereading her post I would still see it as a jab if she hadn't explained herself, so I don't feel like a terrible person for having made the mistake. But I was wrong, so I said sorry.

I think maybe once, literally, in all my time here, has someone apologized for calling me a name. It doesn't matter if I explain that I didn't intend to be insulting, that's just further evidence of my stupidity, or poor communication skills, or elitism.

Again, just to clarify, I don't mind. But if you all are going to have such a blatant double standard, I want you to know it!

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idiot lefty

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:14am.

Actually, your "I'm sorry" was littered with but, but, but, it's not really
 my fault. 

Followed by "if I'm one so are you".

Keep it up.  It's great so see who you really are.

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Still better than I will ever

Submitted by mamabear on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 10:51pm.

Still better than I will ever get from a conservative here. But like I said, that's okay.

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Looking, looking...

Submitted by Radical1979 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:04pm.

Still can't find that teeny tiny violin to play for you...

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Objective assessment spinsterbear*

Submitted by cajun2 on Sun, 05/15/2011 - 11:40pm.

Free advice. Disregard it if you like because I am not a licensed therapist.

You have been at NB 30 days longer than I.  One thing I have observed about liberal and conservative posters here is that arrogant condescension is a lack of respect and lack of consideration for other people's point of view.  That attitude will get  insults promptly from even the most generous NBers. Your posts are filled with this disrespect for other people's point of view and you refuse to accept that assessment though you have been told repeatedly.

To deny your disrespectful remarks or even refuse to consider your responsibility in negative reactions to your posts is the prime example of your arrogant condescension.  I ask only that you consider the tone of your posts before hitting the "save" button.

Oh, and you might want to try to understand the point of the subject line.

There is no insult intended here nor sarcasm but a simple offer of assistance.

See, I am well aware that when I post a lengthy comment on any issue, I generally make my point of view more clear.  It is evident to me that when I post very short comments is when I create misunderstandings. I take full responsibility for that misunderstanding and try to correct this negative occurrence when I am able. It is not the fault of other posters who misinterpret my comment because it is the internet. Several "messaging "factors are missing.  This offer is simply "food for thought".

You're welcome.

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grislybear---

Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 12:21am.

You are correct in that I once commented that you had never been outright rude or nasty in your comments to me.

That said, what cajun has just posted rings very true reference the way you post.

Get used to the fact that there are those of us here who disagree, wholeheartedly, completely, and vehemently with what you bring to these threads; and always will, and maybe a light will come on that will somehow illuminate that fact so that you may act accordingly.

Since you are obviously aware that as a liberal you are about as credible around here as a UFO,  by "act accordingly",  I mean that you might give up on trying to shovel back the tide with a pitchfork.

MD

"The credibility of the story is undermined by the selection of sources." - (h/t Jer)
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I used to put a lot more

Submitted by mamabear on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 8:45am.

I used to put a lot more effort into trying to stay lighthearted in my tone to soften any blows I might accidentally give, but that prompted Rad to b!$@# about smiley faces and how rude they were. The Vet took me to task for being a terrible writer for using exclamation points. I used to try to explain things very carefully in lengthy posts so that no one would misunderstand me, but that prompted everyone to complain about how pedantic and wordy I am. I used to ask questions before assuming I knew what people meant, everyone complained that I treated them like students. I used to make jokes, but every time I do, matthew complains about how bad they are. I do, in fact, adjust the way I post in response to criticism, but it makes absolutely no difference in anyone's attitude.

There is nothing I could do here, short of complete conversation to every belief you want me to hold, that would generate any respect from anyone (minus a well appreciated handful who don't mind a good argument) and you know it. If you don't believe me, ask matthew, and I think he'll confirm it.

Telling me that there is something I could do to get that respect is completely disingenuous. If I behaved like any of the people I'm arguing with right now, I would have been banned months ago, so excuse me if I don't take criticism from you guys on respect terribly seriously. (I almost ended that with an exclamation point...)

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It's my fault, again!

Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 9:01am.

Wow, you don't hold yourself accountable for anything
do you?

Using smiley faces and explanation points doesn't disguise the "tone" of your posts, which matthew agrees with by the way. 

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Let's say you've proven that

Submitted by mamabear on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 6:44pm.

Let's say you've proven that I'm insufferably arrogant. Do you think now you could also prove that I am un-substantive by addressing what I say in my posts, instead of just how I say it?

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You seem determined , grislybear---

Submitted by matthewdean on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 6:51pm.

to not get the point.

I said nothing about how you can improve yourself.

I said to quit trying to shovel back the tide with a pitchfork.

Meaning, --- you are wasting your time.

How in hell do you interpret that as somehow being a way for you to improve your stature around here?

MD

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I didn't reply to you, I

Submitted by mamabear on Mon, 05/16/2011 - 7:45pm.

I didn't reply to you, I replied to cajun. She suggested I improve myself, by taking her friendly advice. It gets hard to tell when the comments get this thin, but that wasn't a reply to you.

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Ok---

Submitted by matthewdean on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 2:32am.

got it.

MD

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Bull.

Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 7:22am.

The moron spinsterbear could not find the reply button when a comment was one off from a first level comment and THE VERY LAST ONE ON THE PAGE.

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You are right, I didn't. But

Submitted by mamabear on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 9:32am.

See, Matthew can respond to a misunderstanding like an adult. You are right, I didn't hit reply. But I think it was pretty clear who I was replying to, so no harm done. Now, will you admit that I was not out of line when I said you would use the phrase "prove it?"

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You keep waiting for that trollie.

Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:09am.

You keep waiting. OK. You wait for that response. Be patient. In the meantime, you fill those trollie diapers and keep whining about it in post after post. MmmmmmKay?

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Sorry to be impatient. Are

Submitted by mamabear on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 11:53am.

Sorry to be impatient. Are you doing some difficult mathematical calculations? Maybe the calculator on your computer could help you out.

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double post

Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 2:06pm.

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read it again Mamabear*

Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 2:01pm.

See, you didnt actually reply to me, you spoke generally about your troubles at NB with a certain amount of blame toward Ms Radical which again provided a prime example in my "assistance post" of your consistant difficulty at NB. My offer of assistance to you still stands in my original post. Please re read that post this time with an open mind.

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Rereading...

Submitted by mamabear on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 9:50pm.

Your advice to me is funny. You claim to take responsibility if a post of yours has caused a misunderstanding. Except, of course, when I misunderstand you. Then it is my fault for always assuming the worst and choosing to take insult. You have the same double standard for me as everyone else here, and this exchange makes it blatantly obvious. Thanks for asking me to reread it, because I actually missed that irony the first time around.

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There ya go mamabear*

Submitted by cajun2 on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:04pm.

You're finally catching on. If you spent as much time dissecting your own posts as you do others, you might see a few changes around NB...if not, there is always tomorrow...;-)

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Hurricane vs River Flood

Submitted by Kingfish17 on Thu, 05/12/2011 - 9:59pm.

After many decades of watching the news, I come away with the following impression:

1.  Hurricanes happen pretty fast and are glamorous to cover.  The media likes showing pictures on television of luxurious beach homes falling into the ocean or pictures of high priced beaches getting eroded.  "Thank goodness these people can rebuild because they have insurance", is the message I hear.  After all, rich people from Boston and Phily and New York, and Washington D.C.  have homes on the beach in Florida, too, you know.

2.  "What the hell are those dumb hicks doing building their homes in a flood plain!  Don't they know there's a river nearby!"

Sorry, but that's the impression I take away from watching the news on television.  Sure, they feign some sympathy for the country folks down by the river.  But it's not really the same story.

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Well, grisly,

Submitted by UpNorth on Sat, 05/14/2011 - 7:04pm.

at least the "weathermen and women" showed up.  Far more than TOTUS did. 

If it wasn't a photo op with Giffords, or a fund raiser, why bother, right?  And, continue to be surprised, few people on this site would ever seem to agree with you, on anything. 

To re-elect Obama would be like the Titanic backing up and hitting the iceberg again.
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I think IBD and others should

Submitted by bobcom32 on Tue, 05/17/2011 - 8:48pm.

I think IBD and others should really wait until everything settles and we can make a truly sober and comprehensive survey of the damage and lives lost before throwing phrases like “biggest flooding in a century” out there. mobile phone jammer http://www.espow.com/wholesale-security-surveillance-jammer.html

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