Overnight Engine-Starter: Guess the Estimated Damage to Wisconsin's State Capitol
I heard this on Mark Levin's show earlier this evening. He was referring to a Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel blog post by the paper's Don Walker.
The question is: What is the State of Wisconsin's estimate of the amount of damage done to the Wisconsin State Capitol after roughly two weeks of non-stop protests?
The answer, and a link to the JSonline.com story, are after the jump -- No fair Googling or otherwise searching for the answer:
Here it is (bold is mine):
State says damage to marble at Capitol could hit $7.5 million
State officials said Thursday that damage to the marble inside and out the State Capitol would cost an estimated $7.5 million.
Cari Anne Renlund, chief legal counsel for the state Department of Administration, said in Dane County court that estimates of damage to marble includes $6 million to repair damaged marble inside the Capitol, $1 million for damage outside and $500,000 for costs to supervise the damage.
Much of the damage apparently has come from tape used to put up signs and placards at the Capitol.
It was not immediately clear how the estimates were made, though the state is apparently relying on opinions by historical architects, one of whom works for the U.S. Park Service.
One concern is the residue from tape that the state says is causing damage to stone and other surfaces inside the Capitol.
I share the skepticism of some JSonline.com readers about the extent of the damage, but even if it's a small fraction of $7.5 million, it would be a lot.
Gosh, if the estimate is accurate, at $100,000 in pay and benefits, that's enough to pay 75 teachers in Milwaukee's public schools at their current rate for a year.
No one will be surprised that I haven't seen much evidence of the establishment press picking up this story.
Cross-posted at BizzyBlog.com.
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Comments
Come on Tom.. it's stimulus..
Submitted by Gary Hall on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 1:03am.
.. it'll create more union jobs.
(;~/ gary
Right
Submitted by Wineguy13 on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 9:42am.
These people are firm believers in the 'Broken-window' theory, so it is a shame they didn't do more damage.
Unions gone wild
Submitted by Pharmer on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 1:06am.
I had pasted up one of the video montages of union demonstators misbehaving, and asked how many people would want to invite these people over for dinner, or to a party, or take them in if they became homeless.
Talk about soiling the nest......
Who picked up after these brats when they were kids?
not TGIF but TGIJ... Thank God it's June
Submitted by MidAmerica on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 1:09am.
I wonder how many teachers would have shown up to protest had it been during their summer break instead of paid time. Would they have sacrificed one of their main perks?
Just wait
Submitted by Tjexcite on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 1:22am.
Just wait until a building is destroyed in a union riot. How much would it cost to rebuild it from the ground up and repair the fire damage. And this will happen in 20+ state houses.
There is no end game in sight. The only end game is one in which history itself has to start over. The end game will make the civil war look like a bar fist fight.
Unless
Submitted by BBallleaper on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 8:04am.
these communists are punished for their criminal behavior; unless they are made an example of; unless their communist comrades see a price being paid re: jail, fines, etc., they think they've won! If you want peace,...PREPARE FOR WAR!
So I wonder,
Submitted by texasborngranny on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 11:42am.
was this damage done by the WI teachers that were illegally striking, or, was it the PAID, BUSSED IN union thugs?
thuggery
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 11:53am.
It would have to be the bussed in thugs because there's a lot less accountability that way.
-Jon
puzzling
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 1:36am.
I kinda find it puzzling that tape somehow caused the damage to marble, I didn't realize marble was all that delicate. What I can believe is that the protestors, the hippies, the sleepers, etc, if they had caused damage like scratches, chips and cracks, then they need to be made to pay for it, especially when they were asked to leave so that the capitol can be attended to.
And if they were afraid of being locked out, who the hell cares? They've said their piece, the governor isn't changing his mind, go back to whatever state you came from because you sure weren't from Wisconsin.
These are the kinds of protestors that would go to the dems' rallies or whatever like during the Chairman's "inaugeration" (I put it in quotes because it really doesn't deserve the name given how disgraceful it was), there was a crap load of crap left behind. Compare that to the TEA party events, who clean up after themselves.
Repairing marble is an expensive process, sometimes it might be so bad you might have to replace the piece. I doubt it would cost as much as the given estimates, but it wouldn't be cheap either. I'd send the bill to the WH and to the organization that he's been part of that sent all those carpet baggers to the protests.
I can't stand hippie/liberal protestors. They always cause the most damage and mess to clean up. And before any lib says "well, we have the right to protest," my response is "you also have the right to be a bunch of slobs and a$$holes, that won't make me like you any more than before and will make you disrespect you."
-Jon
Yep
Submitted by Denny Crane on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 2:00am.
I don't know about the tape causing damage.
But I do remember leaving a lemon on my friends marble coffee table over night, and it caused a little damage where the juice was. Granted lemons are very acidic, but the chemicals in the tape will eat into just about anything if left on long enough.
We Are The 53%
It can happen
Submitted by AGreer on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 3:57am.
Marble is semi-porous and can be stained with acid and other chemicals. The stain has to be ground out, if it's not very deep, and then needs to be repolished. If the stain is deep the block needs to be replaced or left in place stained. Google it. And it isn't cheap because it's a dying trade, not many professionals left.
Typical liberals. The garbage and destruction that they've left behind (again). Not a single thought of unintended consequences, just me, me, me.
AGreer
Submitted by hydrodynDM on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 4:03am.
I was basically going to say the same thing. My family business is cemetery monument work and though monuments are rarely made of marble anymore, we'd sometimes get requests to clean old ones (or marble statues on not-so-old ones).
The stuff is pretty porous (compared to granite) and tape residue will get into it. The best way to treat it is to wash it with some sort of acid but if the wrong kind is used or if it isn't done properly, that can stain the marble. You could also sandblast (carefully), but then you pretty much have to do the whole thing to make it look even.
Either way it's a pain - which is why we stopped taking those kinds of requests a long time ago.
The stain
Submitted by AGreer on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 4:44am.
Hey hyrdodyn ! Removing the stain is the cheap part. The polishing process is the expensive part. There are numerous and time consuming stages that need to be done. As you've suggested, whole walls might need to be resurfaced, and re-grouted.
Do me a favor...don't take any cemetary monument restoration in Chicago or Crook County, IL...LOL ! Unless you see my tombstone, make sure it says "I didn't vote Democrat until after I died".
Tony (Anthony) Greer 1963-not a Democrat yet !
Good morning Hydro
Submitted by cocodrie on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 4:56am.
I have 45 years in flooring cleaning, repaie, maintenance, and installation. Many marble floors were ruined by stains from tape, coffee stains,and numerous other causes because marble is so porous.
Why worry? Remember the union motto "Give us what we demand or we'll ruin or destroy you". Besides the government has a stash of lots of money - just listen to the chairman's blind supporters.
Jesus Loves You so much He died for you
Ahhh Union clean up/ hazmat buddies ready with suits,N lighting
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 2:03am.
Tape?
Soo would goo gone, melt marble?
If so someone may be unlucky enough to win the bid... like bid on grinding off the top layer, and re-polish it for less than 7 million bucks.
Maybe not, gotta get a gross of permits...
TIP:
The weight of the printed permits must equal the weight of all marble installed/ shipped/ mined within 5,000 miles, for the last 200 years..
Pit falls/ red tagging/zone galore.
Just another reason that the private sector, fails yet again..( so union)/sarc.
What you wanna bet it will be some leaderless TEA party minion that will get it together do the job, like this...get er done!
You Didn't Build That.
It's A Basic Law Of Nature.....
Submitted by Boil It Down on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 2:16am.
Parasites only corrupt that to which they are attached. I don't mean this to be sarcastic or taken lightly. What else could be expected? I don't believe much more explanation is required.
Marble is pretty hardy and I
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 2:21am.
Marble is pretty hardy and I doubt that much damage is done. In fact most likely little damage was done.
The word is "h-e-a-r-t-y".
Submitted by johnsonl on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 8:16am.
Graduate from the University of Wisconsin, did we?
I never ate marble.
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 8:40am.
Might have to try it.
Actually, "hardy" is appropriate.
Submitted by Mike Bratton on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 8:48am.
Please check before erroneously attempting to correct someone else.
--Mike
hardy vs hearty
Submitted by jon_torlin on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:19am.
Indeed, hearty is more related to food like a hearty meal(good for the soul) or a hearty handshake (strong and really friendly and enthusiastic).
This reminds me of Gallagher's segment where he talks about the different words that sound the same (homonyms, nothing gay about it) with different meanings or spellings. For example, peace of mind vs a piece of my mind.
-Jon
I was hoping for a more
Submitted by Dan The Man 2 on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 1:44pm.
I was hoping for a more hearty discussion and comments.
Union boss from another land
Submitted by upcountrywater on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 4:14am.
Paint the marble and install an electric fence
You Didn't Build That.
Wisconsin protestors vs Tea Party rallies
Submitted by tiger20 on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 5:05am.
Compare and contrast the wanton disregard for public property by the union protestors vs the pristine sites after Tea Party rallies. The only thing the two groups have in common is both were predominantly white. Anyone hear the media comment on the racial makeup of the union protestors?
Oh, and despite a dozen or so arrests the media made sure to label the protests "mostly" peaceful. How would they label a Tea Party event in which a dozen participants were hauled off by police?
A little dab of the old
Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 9:11am.
A little dab of the old fashioned chaulky white tooth paste rubbed in a circular motion removes dull marks and small abrasions from marble surfaces. When I was a kid we had real marble countertops installed throughout our kitchen. I spent the next 10 or 12 years of Saturday mornings doing damage control.
Liberals ... we can't live with them, they couldn't survive without us ...
NO respect.
Submitted by Denny Crane on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 7:07am.
Why are people like this allowed to teach?
We Are The 53%
Can you imagine any of these
Submitted by motherbelt on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 8:01am.
Can you imagine any of these teachers allowing the kids to trash their classroom like this?
And can you imagine them allowing the kids to leave without cleaning it up?
When your kids
Submitted by Iron Tigers Vet on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 8:12am.
are scoring in the 30-40 percentile across the country, they can't pass the ASVAB test for the military, I'm sure they can't make common sense out of cleaning up behind themselves or much less being respectful to others property.
These teachers showed the country just what their kids are learning in school... zilch, nada, nichts!
Can we get a complete list of
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 12:31pm.
Can we get a complete list of all the thugs involved, then go to their houses and show the same courtesy and respect in THEIR homes?
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
look for the union label
Submitted by MidAmerica on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 7:38am.
Perhaps it will cost $7,000,000 because they are required to use union labor.
One way to pay for the damage...
Submitted by All American on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 7:44am.
Take the costs out of the budget for teachers pay.
MAYBE they will learn what "personal responsibility" means !
Layoff more union teachers,
Submitted by texasborngranny on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 11:52am.
then make sure new hires do not have to be in the union.
Damaging marble
Submitted by kiwikit on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 7:47am.
is quit easy. I've got a marble floor in my foyer. Cat threw up on it and it ruined the finish. I've been trying various products for several months but nothing makes the shine return. I can imagine that the estimate of 7.5 M could even be low.
May need re-polishing
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:42am.
Cat barf probably eched the surface, there are other poducts
Got an easy solve for
Submitted by ninerdog on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 11:14am.
Got an easy solve for ya… Get rid of the cat and replace with dog. At least they eat there puke… Hey you all know I am right about this. Oh and cats are snacks! Dogs rule and cats drool!!!
I'd get a quote from a non-union shop
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 8:05am.
Probably be around $200,000.
Fire 75 teachers to cover the repair costs.
Submitted by johnsonl on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 8:14am.
As a matter of fact, let's figure up the talley for the extra police coverage, time lost from the session and all other additional costs associated with this debacle and hand the bill to the DNC. Address it to Obamao and Organizing for Amerika.
Liberals act like teenagers, trashing the house with a party while their parents are away.
Don't fix it
Submitted by Franksam on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 8:47am.
Instead of repairing the damage. they should get some nice commemorative plaques made. The credit for the damage could be given to the groups that organized and led the protests,sort of like a Civil War monument.
I can see it now: Children on field trips to the State Capitol could listen to the teachers reminisce about how they fought the man and the man won. In defeat, they kept only their pride, but at least they left their mark on history.
Yeah, get a memorial plaque...
Submitted by Red Jeep on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 8:53am.
for the outside of the building, then close it, board the windows up, then run tours.
What about the Rhode Island teacher firings story?
Submitted by Red Jeep on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 8:50am.
Is the MSM going to ignore this forever? As reported only by NewsBusters nationally (as far as I know):"NBC Mislabels Dem Mayor as ‘R’ After Providence Fires All Its School Teachers"
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2011/02/28/nbc-mislabels-dem-mayor-r-after-providence-fires-all-its-school-teach
Nice state capitol you got there, Madison...
Submitted by Cactus Kurt on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 9:08am.
...be a shame if something bad happened to it.
Goo-gone is cheap, but labor in Wisconsin can be expensive
Submitted by ekslib on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 9:19am.
Somebody has to apply and remove the Goo-gone.
Maybe the protesting teachers should be encouraged to clean up their own mess.
It Reminds Me...
Submitted by GeneralAl on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 9:21am.
It reminds me of Earth Day in Washington D.C. where the environmental "Tree Baggers" come to save the earth. After they leave, the park looks like an overflowing landfill and the city gets hit for an expensive clean up bill. No surprise, though. Liberals always expect someone else to pay their bills and clean up after them. Personally, I'd like to lead a battalion of veterans to give these slobs a GI Shower!
"Old Soldiers never die, they just fade away"!
The blame is not just with the protestors
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 9:25am.
The building is a National Historic Landmark, and as such, certainly has a curator in charge.
So IMHO, most of the blame belongs to whoever is in charge of the facility who didn't put a stop to the taping up of signs on Day One. This could have been easily enforced, as there were cops all over the place at all times.
For example, I wouldn't expect to be allowed to tape signs all over the beloved Margaret Sanger Clinic in NYC, which is another National Historic Landmark.
PS: guess what the Capitol's original construction cost was? $7.25 million.
If someone had tried to stop the protestors' demo
Submitted by texasborngranny on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 12:02pm.
of the Capitol, any 'curator' or whoever would have been beaten to a pulp, since they would have had no police protection. The police are union and had already shown that they would refuse to take action against the protestors.
National Gaurd
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 12:17pm.
Isnt.
Cops picking sides, will be all it takes for the citizenry to demand public unions need to be abolished!
link
Submitted by texasborngranny on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 2:35pm.
http://thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/6513-wisconsin-cops-...
It's time to call out the
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 6:58pm.
It's time to call out the national guard, remove all the 'protestors' and arrest every so-called 'law enforcement' officer inside supporting the protestors and charge them with felonies with extremely long prison sentences in 'general population'.
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
Every time I saw footage of
Submitted by kareling on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 9:49am.
Every time I saw footage of protestors inside the State Capitol, I was struck by how noisy it was. Wait till they start screaming for some sort of compensation for hearing loss and other health problems they may have brought on themselves from camping out there.
Wisconsin chiropractors are having a field day, I'm sure
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 9:56am.
There's an epidemic of the dreaded condition known as 'marble-ass'.
They're coming from Iowa, SoL
Submitted by Blonde on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:29am.
One of the big Chiro schools is in the Quad Cities (I know, a friend of mine went there, he'd cry to me on the phone every week how awful it was after growing up in Florida).
So all of the students can cross state lines to practice. Maybe they'll even get paid by the Union Insurance, since it's so beneficient and all.
Seriously, they ought to leave the damage alone. Put up a couple of signs (no tape)....pointing out "DEMOCRATS AND UNION THUGS LEAVE THEIR MARK".
Handy Reference Guide to Obama's Gaffes and Goofs ~ Currently Numbering 200 (and Counting)
In Wisconsin, the unionists
Submitted by Beukeboom on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:15am.
In Wisconsin, the unionists just don't care about the damage they are causing. It's all about power and money to union leaders. At one point in history unions were needed but over time, people in charge have perverted unions into money-making enterprises using heavy-handed tactics even when such tactics are not necessary nor warranted.
Damage
Submitted by PrimalElements on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:32am.
The unions should pay every penny!
WHO should PAY? Fact: 100%
Submitted by Willis_Leon_Johnson on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 12:40pm.
WHO should PAY?
Fact: 100% of public employees salaries and wages are funded by the taxpayers.
Fact: 100% of all deductions from public employees paychecks are paid with TAXPAYER DOLLARS.
That 100% figure includes all taxes at all levels, all retirment, healthcare, union dues, etc
100% of all public union money is just another transfer of money from the PRODUCERS to the union bosses and liberal politicians they got elected to 'negotiate' the new contracts.
End 'gun violence in America' - Require training and MANDATORY "Shall Carry" by every Citizen.
If harry reid is the best person to lead the senate, what does that say about the other 99 senators?
Nope
Submitted by Wildcatter1980 on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 11:03am.
Yep. No surprise there. Indeed, the lamestream media did not point out how most tea party rallies at least left things as they were before they arrived if they didn't, in fact, leave things better than they found them.
--
If you want to know what liberal secular progressives are really doing, just listen to what they are accusing others of.
Recommended reading: Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg
Hey..I think the liberals on to something here
Submitted by redright88 on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 11:08am.
First...put a gun to taxpayers heads demanding extravagent pensions, benfits and work rules...THEN when state goes broke...demonstrate, riot and damage state property...THEN, state is forced to use AFSCME union workers to repair and clean mess created by fellow union people,...thereby stimulating job growth...and even more union jobs.
Pure genius
I also vote to leave the damage
Submitted by GW on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 11:09am.
as a testimony to the post-Arizona shooting 'civility'.
Oh yeah- and make the doctors who falsified sick notices for the teachers pay the pension and health benefit contributions for the teachers they wrote notes for.
Guys. This is Madison,
Submitted by DaChew on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 12:03pm.
Guys. This is Madison, Wisconsin. This is no big deal. In Madison, you can firebomb buildings and kill people and they simply make a park where the building was and make a hero out of the person that did the bombing. Stained marble?? Here, just use the "Leftist Context and Justification for Violence and Destruction Generator":
Insert parameters into parenthesis to generate your very own Leftist Justification and Context -
What about the (huge number) of innocent (people, children, workers) (killed, harmed, repressed) by (lefty U.S./corporate attrocity example)?
See? You feel better now don't you?
More Detail
Submitted by stratman on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 3:14pm.
The bombing of Sterling Hall at the U. of Wisconsin in 1970.
One of the bombers, rat bastard Karleton Armstrong, runs a juice stand on campus grounds.
Liberals are children.
Submitted by liberalsarefunny on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 1:29pm.
Liberals are children.
It just means more work for
Submitted by Cowboy on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 3:04pm.
It just means more work for union maintenance people. All part of redistribution from the Wisconsin taxpayers...
Actually tape can damage the marble
Submitted by JDL on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 6:49pm.
I have seen the damage that common masking tape can do to marble. Marble used for walls and pillars do not have any kind of sealer or polished surface and the tape can discolor the marble. Any adhesive can discolor the marble especially when it dries.
It just shows you how much disrespect these people have for authority and anything that has to do with Govt. In a nutshell these radicals are animals, that is why they think that ALL people are animals. That's why they think we cannot think for ourselves.
This will turn out to be a non-issue.
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 6:56pm.
Remember all those stories about the damage done to the White House when the Clintons left? Months later, the truth came out - too late to change the memories of many people, of course. As I recall the GAO issued a report with the truth - but it got a fraction of the play the lie received.
The $7M+ repair bill will, I predict, turn out to be a lie designed to convince a judge to make a decision in the Gov'Nuh's favor.
Yeah, the GAO did issue a report ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 7:34pm.
... and a certain newspaper gave it this headline:
White House Vandalized In Transition, G.A.O. Finds
Click to see which one.
No one ever claimed, as is being claimed with Wisconsin, that the damage ran into the millions. What was alleged, and proven, was that certain Clintonistas leaving the White House were sore losers, vandals and thieves.
The truth per the GAO,was that:
You need to work on that memory of yours.
Looks like Private Bill Wilson added another one.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:45pm.
144. Tries to play down the vandalism done to the White House by the outgoing Clinton administration. --- Mr Blumer himself knocked down this little lie.
The Collected Lies of J. Frank Wilson. Newsbusters oldest prolific lying troll.
Capt. UnderPantZ:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 1:03am.
Capt. UnderPants
“I pound on trolls here WITHOUT MERCY. I cannot afford to be wrong once. Do you understand that? Not once can I be wrong in front of the trolls.”
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/dave-pierre/2011/02/05/lat-falsely-attacks-fncs-oreilly#new#ixzz1DTO3j5fj
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Does heredity determine how many PT-109 moons of Mars can prance,
On the pinhead of Capt. UnderPantZ?
Still proving me correct. This makes EIGHT now.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 1:30am.
Got those spindly fingers shaking with rage again Fwankie? Little sissy that can't run from his constant lies has to cut & paste the same post proving me correct over and over.
Fwankie the Coward proves over and over why The Vet can never be wrong.
You go little sissy troll. You prove what happens when you show trollies to be the liars they are 144 times. Trollies rage. Trollies rage a lot but yeah, still can't tell the truth.
Mr. Blumer:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 9:44pm.
With all due respect, to be fair you need to quote the stories about "damage to the White House" that came out prior to that report.
It wasn't one or two hundred thousand dollars. And it wasn't damage to the White House itself.
What did The Drudge Report report? Grover Norquist's wild accusations were? Rep. Bob Barr claimed there had been extensive vandalism. That's why he asked the GAO to investigate.
Would you agree the GAO report probably cost more to produce than the damage they found amounted to? Was it worth it? Was Mr. Barr proved to have been correct? I think not.
The newspaper article you cite states:
"The accounting office said similar pranks were reported in prior transitions, including the one from Mr. Bush's father to Mr. Clinton in 1993. ''We were unable to conclude,'' it said, ''whether the 2001 transition was worse than previous ones.'''
I recall Ms. Amy Carter left a mess in the refrigerator because she was mad her dad lost. Was that the right thing to do? No. Should it have been investigated by a government agency? No again.
Was it right for these pranks to have been pulled? No. Was it extensive vandalism - computer and telephone wires cut, etc., etc.? No again.
Who stole that seal? We can't assign blame until the thieves are found.
The fact remains the early reports proved to be huge exaggerations. I suggest the damage to the Wisconsin State House - wrong as it was - will prove to be the same.
frankie
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 9:53pm.
Doesn't it occur to you that Amy Carter was a child, Clinton staffers were adults? As adults they should have comprehended that what they were doing was vandalism, not to George Bush, but to the American public. Public property was destroyed and had to be replaced. Amazing that you find this acceptable. One of Bush's mistakes was to try to move ahead, and not document properly what had happened.
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/t/trashingthewhitehouse.htm
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/trashing.htm
Not only were these people committing a crime, they were proud of it.
Radical1979:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:39pm.
Much of the so-called vandalism was normal wear and tear. Doorknobs were missing because doors had been closed - blocked up by bookcases, etc.
The costs of the keyboards were estimated to be about 2 1/2 times the market. Some, of course, were simply worn out. Perhaps the Bush Administration didn't take bids?
Missing cell phones? That's vandalism?
Bob Barr was a rabid partisan who sued President Clinton. He ordered two investigations that cost an estimated $200,000. Was that taxpayer money well spent? I don't think so.
The right wing nutz foamed at the mouth for months about the horrible damage done - one would have thought the British troops had returned to finish what they'd started during that 1812 dustup.
Here are two excellent, well-documented, detailed sources. Considerably less biased, by the way, than the ones you cited.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1689
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1803
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1686
To conclude: Do you think this brouhaha was worth $200,000 of our money?
FAIR
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:45pm.
They're the philosophical predecessors of Media Matters.
They're not worth the effort of clicking, nor is it worth the bother to beat up something 10 years old that the NEW YORK TIMES was willing to report as "The White House Was Vandalized in the Transition."
You didn't play the comparative card until you got called out on your (in essence) "nothing happened" claim. Too late. Something happened that rose to the level of vandalism.
Mr. Blumer:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 1:06am.
What's a "comparative card?" I didn't know I had one in my hand to play.
The fact remains: The initial reports were overblown. That was my point and it remains valid.
Overblown is a very
Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 7:43am.
Overblown is a very appropriate word to describe Bill Clinton's presidency.
Bottom line is Clinton got away with his deviant behavior throughout his White House years simply because his entire administration condoned what he was doing. In the end it turns out they were all a bunch of immature degenerates themselves, proven by their actions ( vandalizing the peoples house ) upon leaving.
The amount of destruction is really of no consequence here, nor is the wild exagerations, exagerations happen. Just the fact that a group of individuals entrusted with the heart & soul of this country during the Clinton years, were as big a bunch of A_____s as he was and still is today to my way of thinking is both quite shocking and sad.
You on the other hand take the typical liberal tact. Which, in the mind of any rational person, rendered your entire arguement moot. It's all B/S propaganda of a misguided rational to defend the indefensable.
Think about what happened this way. If the Bush administration staff, upon entering their new work place ( which just happen to be the White House ) for the first time heard about gunfire in certain parts of the building. They would start to contact others ( coworkers ) to find out the extent of the damages, etc.
In the heat of the moment ( shock & disbelief ) the buss echoes through the halls from one office to the next. The actual damage is reported back & forth by 10, 20, 100 people until it appears the White House was under seige by a terrorist organization.
In the ensuing chaos some start contacting outside news sources to report what they've heard circulating around the building, plus their own personal experience. The whole thing became sensationalized ( bigger than life ) if you will, due to basic human nature, not some vast right wing conspiracy to get Bill & Hillary Clinton as theorized at the time and I guess by the looks of it, still to this day.
Liberals always seem to want to turn their trademark deviant behavior around on their victims.Sort of in a lame attempt to make themselves the victim instead......never works.
Instead libs could just change their evil ways, then there'd be nothing to talk about in the first place.
Liberals ... we can't live with them, they couldn't survive without us ...
Miss "Em All:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 10:39am.
Not too bitter, are you?
No, just RIGHT.
Submitted by Miss_Me_Yet on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 10:52am.
No, just RIGHT.
Liberals ... we can't live with them, they couldn't survive without us ...
The "comparative card" ...
Submitted by Tom Blumer on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 6:02pm.
... is your reference to Bush 1993, where the transition was almost universally praised as smooth and constructive, including here.
I know playing dumb comes second nature, but I resent it when someone pretends they didn't refer to something they referred to.
Mr. Blumer:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 7:37pm.
It was your source I quoted. Now you don't believe it?
WoW!
You cut out the quote Sissy. It was not pertinent here.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/08/2011 - 3:46am.
Oh look, the 145 time liar is lying to a contributor AGAIN. Why is this not surprising.
35. Mr. Sheffield had to tell him to Tone it down several notches after yet another post insulting everyone here.25. Claimed the Constitution allows Washington DC to elect full voting members of Congress. - Mr. Blumer shot that down. No response as usual.
65. Mr. Sheppard gives the liar a spanking. Twice!
99. Mr. Sheppard tells the liar to stay out of his blogs - Noel Sheppard: Would you do me a favor and cease and desist from commenting in threads associated with my articles? Your pompous presentation combined with your lack of knowledge on the subject is offensive, and I'd rather readers not be misinformed by such nonsense.
120. Mr. Gladney made his story up. His own attorney dropped him. - There is video and the case is proceeding.
Normal wear and tear is
Submitted by Radical1979 on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 11:00pm.
Normal wear and tear is having the w's fall off the keyboards? You're another guy I'd like to sell a bridge in Brooklyn to.
And yes, the costs of anything in the White House is higher because the company supplying it has to be checked out by security etc.
Missing cell phones would be theft, not vandalism. That I will concede.
Doorknobs missing because a bookcase had been placed against it? What kind of bizzare house do you live in?
And you're o.k. with people vandalism government property if they're democrats?!
Radical1979:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 1:09am.
It's not my report - read it yourself if you want to understand it.
Meanwhile, perhaps you could find the time to answer my question? Was it work $200,000 to estimate $14,000 however that was caused? I think not.
Please don't make up things I didn't write. I said (several times) it wasn't right. Where in the world would you get the idea I agreed with it? Or is your position so weak you must make up stuff to support it?
Private Bill Wilson LIES again.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 1:47am.
This looks to be number 145.
The investigation cost $200,000? LIE. Prove it Fwankie. You LIE again.
The $200,000 came from lying DEMOCRATS just like you. No official cost was ever put out. YOU LIED again.
Capt. UnderPantZ:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 10:55am.
You do raise an interesting point - kind of that million monkeys/million typewriters thing. Eventually something might make sense.
It's highly unlikely the GAO can produce a investigative report for just $1,000 per page. The $200,000 price tag is probably too low for their 200 page report, granting it quoted a 76-page White House report (how much did that cost?) and built on an earlier GAO investigation and response..
Thanx for pointing that out! You betcha!
Private Bill Wilson LIES again.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 12:46pm.
And that proves you were telling the truth how again sissy?
Here is the actual report for all the boys and girls interested in the truth.
And contained therein is the actual investigation. The GAO talked to a bunch of Bush Administration people. Sent out some mailers to Clinton Administration people. Talked to some Clinton Administration people. Researched some replacement costs. And looked through some early expense reports from the White House to see what they bought to replace the damaged items. That's it.
Now YOU MADE THE $200,000 CLAIM SISSY. PROVE IT. Or slink away with insults like you always do. We expect it from the little coward that you are anyway. So it won't be a surprise.
fwankie
Submitted by Radical1979 on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 12:56pm.
So, without an investigation how would the costs be known in advance? Before investigating would the investigators be able to say the damage will be less than the cost of the investigation? I think not. I also think the cost of the damage was underreported because Bush didn't want to pull an Obama and live in the past. It is however, worth investigating when government property is deliberatly destroyed.
You have yet to prove the cost of the investigation. You can pipe down on that till you link it.
You implied the damage was no big deal with it's comparison to damage done by Amy Carter. Although you gave lip service to it being wrong, you also have called these things "pranks". If someone damaged my personal property in that way I would not consider it a prank. I would consider it criminal.
I don't have a weak position, just a weak opponent in this debate.
Radical1979:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 10:55am.
Have you read the GAO report? There you will find "pranks."
And that is what the horrible vandalism ranted about by Fox gasbags ("The WWF of News") amounted to.
What to fix a bunch of keyboards missing one letter? Cannabalize one wornout keyboard and you can "fix" all the best.
It was demonstrated the missing cell phones had been turned in.
The whole story was just another lie.
Like the story about the recent trip to India cost $200,000,000 a day. Did Rep. Bachmann correct the record? Michelle Malkin? They spent enough time spreading the lie.
frankie
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 11:03am.
Hmmm, how can one keyboard provide more than one W? Also, why should it have to be done in the first place? This is not how our national property should be treated.
It was demonstrated the missing cell phones had been turned in.
I have no idea what that means. Was it proven? Can you link that proof?
I'm sorry what does Malkin and Bachman have to do with this discussion of vandalism of the Clinton staff have to do with anything?
And how can the story be a lie if those things actually happened? Oh yes, the usual liberal dimentia.
Rad '79:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:37pm.
Use your imagination. Any key will work - there is nothing special and the "W" key.
May I suggest you read the reports if you want to learn what is in them? From your remark about pranks it's obvious you haven't.
The rabid Bob Barr wasn't satisfied with the first GAO investigation and ordered another, hoping the result would fit his pre-conceived results. It didn't - and was a complete waste of money.
Investigations should be ordered with care - not based on politics. If the Bush Administration wanted bygones to be bygones, why did his Attorney General go on and on and on about the alleged and unproven damage?
Once again - I didn't defend the actions. Just as I'm confident you wouldn't defend an administration that stripped the White House of all policy and procedure manuals, forcing the incoming people to start from stratch.
The lies of Mrs. Bachmann and Ms. Malkin are further proof of the conservative pattern of making up claims of huge wads of money wasted - without proof. Of course, shipping pallet loads of shrink wrapped cash to Iraq was doubtless a wise idea. Wasn't it?
Nothing special about the W ea j. frank qilson
Submitted by upcountrywater on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 1:54pm.
Are you Nigerian, kuz the last time I got an offer for pallets of shrink wrapped cash, was from there.
You Didn't Build That.
So you're telling me
Submitted by Radical1979 on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 6:37pm.
So you're telling me vandalising government property is a "prank"? How about I go to your house and pull a prank like removing doorknobs, taking your cell phone, and pulling keys off of your keyboard? Wouldn't it be hysterical! Oh, and I'll glue drawers shut all over your house. Awesome man!
Why, in the offices of our President, should we have keyboards with letters other than W in the W spot on the keyboard? We aren't some Mickey Mouse country, why should we have to do something so chintzy because the Clinton staff were a bunch of juvenile jerks?
Still not seeing any proof of any of your assertions.
fair.org? LOL. What, you couldn't find a Nostradamus quatrain?
Submitted by SickofLibs on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 11:03pm.
.
Puddinhead is a---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 9:58pm.
liberal mook; therefore forgiveness is in him. For liberals actions.
MD
MD:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:40pm.
How's that Sidekick gig working out for you?
Your Dumb
Submitted by Boudin on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:45pm.
a$$ gig still sucks Frank
Private Bill Wilson LIES again.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:56pm.
You looking for an entry on this little meme you keep repeating over and over? Kinda hard to be a sidekick when you are first at the scene of the Stupid time and time again.
What is it with you grabbing some meme and beating it to within an inch of its life anyway? How stupid are you? Now anyone that dares to speak against you is a sidekick. You can't even be original in your attempted insults.
Still waiting for you to start proving me wrong on your 144 lies fwankie. You have tried twice now and twice you had to admit you were wrong. 142 more to go little lying sissy.
Your attempts at humor, Puddinhead---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 03/04/2011 - 10:47pm.
or even trying to make normal conversation, are a bit lacking. If you have something to say, champion liar, spit it out.Private Bill Wilson LIES again.
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 4:25am.
145. Brings forward a Salon.com lie the investigation of the damage left behind by the outgoing Clinton administration cost $200,000 -- A partisan unproven claim from Salon
O-O-O-Ohhhhhh. Time for a Blast from the Past boys and girls.
126. The Boston Tea Party was held because the British lowered the importation tax on tea - not because they raised it. - They lowered the tax on tea IN GREAT BRITAIN and RAISED it in the colonies.
Yes boys and girls. Those Bostonites were so angry they could be spending less money on tea, they went and tossed a whole shipload of it in the harbor. Me. I am angry at McDonalds. Damn them and their $1 menu. It is time to crack some clown head. What say boys and girls?
Capt. UnderPantZ:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 10:38am.
Once again you attempt to present assertions as facts.
You have a royalty trust in your IRA, so you know all about the state of Alaska taking oil company profits and distributing them to citizens.
You know the state wouldn't start a gas pipeline without contracts.
You know the British Government wouldn't attempt to support the East India Company by keeping prices below what would be paid for tea from Colonial importers.
Too bad what you know just isn't true. No surprise, of course.
Does heredity influence how many 1040 moons of Mars can prace,
Upon the pinhead of Capt. UnderPantZ?
And that proves you were telling the truth how?
Submitted by The Vet on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 12:38pm.
145 lies. 142 of them unanswered by the lying sissy j. frank wilson. And the 2 the sissy attempted to account for, he had to admit he was wrong.
Still waiting for you to source ONE LIE. Start there sissy. Then you can puff out your chest and act like you got something on the guy that PROVED YOU LIED 145 times.
Until then, it is the same sissy ass braggadocio you have been peddling here for 4 years.
A sissy that insults the people that proves he lies. Wowzies. We are so impressed.
Good luck sir
Submitted by Rukus on Sat, 03/05/2011 - 7:27pm.
Ain't gonna happen... as usual. Sigh...
Capt. UnderPantZ:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 10:59am.
You rant, you rave, you froth at the mouth. You repeat your lies - but don't prove your wild claims.
Does heredity determine how many DD-214 moons of Mars can prace,
Upon the head of Capt. UnderPantZ?
Whatever Retard.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:50pm.
The troll with no sense of shame thinks he can insult the man that has proved him a liar 145 times. Yeah, fwankie, no one has the ability to scroll or click and see who is the lying little snit here.
I have said time and time again how stupid you are. And you prove it every time you come here. Beclown yourself and call the people that prove you lie a liar. Yeah, that won't fall on deaf ears will it. Even the other troll steer clear of a retard like you.
Is "fwankie' supposed to be an insult?
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 5:30pm.
Hope you didn't stay up all night copying that one...
Shut up Sissy.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 5:59pm.
All you do is call me names because I expose your lies. Now you want to whine about someone firing back. You are a COWARD that LIES because it is the only kind of attention you can get.
Let's see. I expose your lie after lie and all you got is whining and name calling. Sissy.
What is that rumbling boys and girls?
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 1:50pm.
Oh look, it is another blast from the past. Why, it's fwankies favorite lie.
109. Gov. Palin is bragging about the natural gas pipeline. Where is the gas to fill it? - Yea, we always build multi-million dollar pipelines without haveing a clue about what sources will fill it.109.1 Now, a logical person would have posted documentation of the gas contracts signed for the pipeline. Then I would have been proved wrong. --- whoops. Not what he said. He wanted to know where the gas was to fill the pipeline.
109.2 How’s your research coming into Duh Gov’Nuh’s gas contracts? No answer since Feb. 6th… --- He said there was no gas to fill the pipeline. Now claims it is about contracts.
109.3 Where are the gas contracts signed when this article was written? --- Again. He asked where the gas was not the contracts.
Yes, little lying sissy fwankie. You keep demanding something that is not even remotely related to your lie. you demanded to know WHERE THE NATURAL GAS WAS, not contracts.
By the way boys and girls, there was a LNG terminal sending the natural gas to Japan. Maybe fwankie can ask where all that natural gas came from for 40 YEARS. Or whine about contracts with Japan to distract from his lie.
Sissy liars come here to lie and then call the people that bust them in a lie names like that actually means something.
Sissy liar.
By the way little sissy lying fwankie the 145 time liar.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 2:08pm.
There was no contract for the LNG gas that was exported to Japan. There was an AUTHORIZATION to export. Lying sissy coward troll. But yeah, you keep whining about contracts for a pipeline that is not even under construction when your original lie claimed THERE WAS NO GAS TO FILL THE PIPELINE.
On March 8, 1967, Phillips Petroleum Company and Marathon Oil Company (Applicants) filed in Docket
No. CI67-1226 an application pursuant to Section 3 of the Natural Gas Act for authorization to export
liquefied natural gas from the United States to Japan, all as more fully set forth in the application.
Applicants propose to export liquefied natural gas from Alaska for sale and delivery in Yokohama, Japan to
The Tokyo Electric Power Company, Inc., and The Tokyo Gas Company Limited. Applicants agree to sell and buyers agree to purchase the following annual Btu's of liquefied natural gas during a fifteen-year period ending May 31, 1984:
March 1, 1969, to May 31, 1970: 35,295,000,000,000 Btu's,
June 1, 1970, to May 31, 1971, and each of the subsequent thirteen years: 50,570,000,000,000 Btu's.
The agreement contains an option for a five-year renewal.
The application states that the gas will be sold at a rate of 52.0 cents per million Btu's delivered. [*2]
Applicants will construct facilities in the Cook Inlet Basin area, Alaska, for the liquefaction of natural gas, the storage of liquefied natural gas, and the loading of such onto ships for export and delivery to Japan to the aforementioned buyers.
Capt. UnderPantZ:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 7:31pm.
So you spent your weekend finding sources that have nothing to do with the topic?
At least it kept you out of trouble. I hope...
More time than you ever did telling the truth.
Submitted by The Vet on Tue, 03/08/2011 - 3:17am.
I Proved you lied again.
That is why you did not say one of your smartass little insults.
Sissy.
Coward.
Liar.
You said there was no natural gas to fill the pipeline. Sissy. PROVE IT.
109. Gov. Palin is bragging about the natural gas pipeline. Where is the gas to fill it? -
I proved Alaska had 40 years of gas to compress and send to Japan.
YOU HAVE NOT PROVED JACK SQUAT FOR 4 YEARS.
4 YEARS OF LIES WITHOUT A SHRED OF PROOF.
4 YEARS OF GETTING SLAPPED BY CONTRIBUTORS JUST LIKE YOU DID HERE.
4 YEARS OF COWADICE AND LIES.
Capt. UnderPantZ:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:36pm.
Geez, that makes perfect sense. Duh Gov'Nuh pushes through the construction of a pipeline from Alaska to Canada and you post about gas going to Japan? Why would anyone think you don't know what you're writing about? If you understood the issue you'd know after the fact Exxon came on board. Why? Because it controls the gas. So, it's Open Season. The whole idea of a project not using the big bad oil companies - uses the biggest. And, I'm sure, the favorite among the good people of Alaska. What's a little oil in the Sound among friends? I'm sure the folks in Alaska are thrilled the pipeline construction will be done by a Canadian company. Why? Could it be because there were no gas contracts in hand when the bidding started so no American company would take it on?Whatever Retard.
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:49pm.
Private Bill Wilson the 145 time LIAR: Where is the gas to fill it?
Could it be because there were no gas contracts in hand... --- Still not your original LIE Sissy. You claimed there was no gas to put in the pipeline.
Look, I have to repeat myself because the SISSY tries to cover his ORIGINAL LIE.
Me, above, where the sissy won't face his lie: Lying sissy coward troll. But yeah, you keep whining about contracts for a pipeline that is not even under construction when your original lie claimed THERE WAS NO GAS TO FILL THE PIPELINE.
Capt. UnderPantZ:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 3:24pm.
You prove my point time and time again. And you're too stupid to know it. Amazin'. PS: Are you six years old? "Retard?" WoW!Whatever. Continue to beclown yourself. No skin off my back.
Submitted by The Vet on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 12:42am.
Yeah, Fwankie initially claims there is not enough natural gas in Alaska to justify building a pipeline. But yeah, Fwankie is not beclowning himself at all is he?
After getting busted in that lie, Fwankie then tries to magically claim there needs to be contracts, iron clad written down signed sealed delivered contracts to fill a pipeline that is only PROPOSED. But yeah, Fwankie is not beclowning himself at all is he?
The PROPOSED pipeline, and now there are two competing PROPOSED pipelines, still to this day, 2 years later, have not moved much beyond the PROPOSED phase. But yeah, Fwankie is not beclowning himself at all is he?
Nevermind that no pipeline ever built, anywhere on this planet, ever, had the requirement of having contracts to fill it prior to approval and groundbreaking. NOT ONE SINGLE PIPELINE ON THE PLANET REQUIRED CONTRACTS TO FILL IT PRIOR TO BEING BUILT. But yeah, Fwankie is not beclowning himself at all is he?
So you keep claiming victory little milquetoast Retard. You is not beclowning yourself at all. No. You is special. Really. Who is special? Tell us who is special now.
You keep acting like you won something Fwankie. That will stop me from exposing your EVERY SINGLE LIE. Yay. Victweez. Fwankie win. Yay.
What is proven time and time again, Puddinhead---
Submitted by matthewdean on Fri, 03/11/2011 - 2:34am.
is your penchant for ignoring the truth while continuing to tell lies. You are without doubt one of the lamest mooks to ever to pound out prevarications on a keyboard. You have to be an inordinately thick skulled ass to skip merrily along as you do and pretend no one here sees you for what you are; a lying putz.Whatis the lying Retard on about now?
Submitted by The Vet on Wed, 03/09/2011 - 12:01pm.
126. The Boston Tea Party was held because the British lowered the importation tax on tea - not because they raised it. - They lowered the tax on tea IN GREAT BRITAIN and RAISED it in the colonies. source126.1 ...the British Government wouldn't attempt to support the East India Company by keeping prices below what would be paid for tea from Colonial importers. --- What does this have to do with his original lie the British lowered the importation tax in the colonies thus setting in motion the Boston Tea Party?
88. ...it is subsidized by the citizens of the other 49 states because those companies deduct the cost of the tax from their income --- (talking about Alaska's Permanent Fund Dividend). The Alaska constitution was amended to pay citizens of Alaska royalties from it's resources. Yours truly has many royalty trusts in his IRA. Royalty trust payments are not taxed at all at the Federal or State level. And being in a tax exempt IRA, they are not taxed at all until yours truly starts drawing down his IRA in 20 years. Are the citizens of the other 49 states subsidizing me?
88.1 You have a royalty trust in your IRA, so you know all about the state of Alaska taking oil company profits and distributing them to citizens. --- Not what I said was it.
Capt. UnderPantZ:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 12:29pm.
Your comment portrays one of your common ploys – transparent and pathetic as it is.
You attempt to respond to a factually correct comment by honing in on a minor – generally irrelevant – detail in a feeble attempt to disprove the statement.
I quoted Sheer “Am I An Idiot?” InSannity’s silly remark about Media Matters for America. InSannity claimed MM4A takes “a word” out of context and thereby distorts the speaker’s meaning. He failed to provide a single example.
Those are facts. That comment is completely true. To be fair to InSannity – an easy thing to do because he’s such a soft target – I quoted his entire statement. I didn’t want to be guilty of what he accused MM4A of doing.
You made a sad attempt to prove me wrong by picking out the first part of InSannity’s statement – that Media Matters for America monitors conservative broadcasts and websites. You claimed, once again, that I lied because that’s what MM4A does. Of course it does. There is no dispute about that.
Your obvious attempt to deflect can’t change the facts. I correctly predicted the early estimates of damage to the Wisconsin government building would be wildly high – political figures contrived to convince a judge. I compared it to the conservative gasbags bloviating about the alleged vandalism to the White House after the Clinton Administration exited.
You focus on the cost of a GAO investigation and report to deflect from the truth. The right wing nutz ranted for months about horrible damage, plundering of Air Force One, etc., etc. And it proved to be sound and fury signifying nothing.
Idiot to English translator requested. Immediate shipment please
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 2:15pm.
Anyone know what the Retard is on about now? What is he talking about? MM4A? Hannity? Huh?
And his lie was not about damage to Wisconsin buildings. It was the GAO investigation cost $200,000 based solely on the comments of unnamed hyper-partisan lying Democrats.
145. Brings forward a Salon.com lie the investigation of the damage left behind by the outgoing Clinton administration cost $200,000 -- A partisan unproven claim from Salon
Did fwankie the 145 lying sissy forget what his own lie was?
Quelle Surprise!
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 11:01am.
Apparently the $7,500,000 damage figure was a wild guess.
Now the good people in Wisconsin can't estimate the cost of an estimate -
http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20110305/OSH0101/110304159/Officials-back-off-7-5-mil-protester-cleanup-estimate-now-say-s-350K?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|FRONTPAGE|p
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/117409458.html
Work on backing up your lies.
Submitted by The Vet on Mon, 03/07/2011 - 6:19pm.
No one cares. No one argued it was not an over estimate. Coward. Now start sourcing just one of your 145 lies.
Crisis in Dairyland: Angry Curds !!!
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 3:43pm.
An update on the damage done to the Wisconsin state capitol: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-march-7-2011/crisis-in-dairyland--...The Daily Show? Really?
Submitted by Beukeboom on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 5:37pm.
The Daily Show? Really? /sarc'Splains a lot, huh?
Submitted by Rukus on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 7:51pm.
.Rukus:
Submitted by j. frank wilson on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 8:56pm.
Was that when Mr. Matthews and G. Gordon Liddy were watching President Bush prace across the aircraft carrier flightdeck in his cute aviator's suit? Mr. Liddy admired Mr. Bush's codpiece and Mr. Matthews got a thrill up his leg. A pair you can draw to...Wow!
Submitted by Agnostic on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 8:59pm.
Project much do you?That dreck is all you got?
Submitted by Rukus on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 9:15pm.
Pfffffft! You have no kung fu.qilson, hamster.....
Submitted by upcountrywater on Thu, 03/10/2011 - 5:25pm.
Gosh another prevarication, ain't no update anywhere, pal. Damage continues as of March 10 th
Protesters forced their way into the Capitol following the senate vote Wednesday night. Fitzgerald says many of those protesters had help getting into the building, claiming "When the Democrat staffers opened the windows for protesters to get in...that's not how democracy is supposed to work."
You Didn't Build That.